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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. We're living in an amazing time right now. Obviously, there's a lot of major changes happening at the federal level, but the changes that I'm most concerned about are the changes that are happening at the level of We The People and the awakening of We The People. And if you look at the systems that have been used to enslave us, the medical system has been one of the number one tools that has been used to keep us trapped, keep us trapped in illness, in sickness, in fear.
Speaker 1:And what's amazing is this whole MAHA movement, which has become a very mainstream movement, is that there is a collective mass awakening of people realizing that they don't need to fear illness. They don't need to fear the commercials. Every every second commercial is, are you suffering from this? Are you suffering from that? Well, here's a pill to fix it for you.
Speaker 1:And the trust in big pharma is plummeting as it should be because a lot of other treatments are coming out. Now one of those treatments, which is the most demonized, is something called chlorine dioxide. And I even thought, should I do a show on this? Am I gonna be targeted for it? But the thing is is that I don't care because I follow the truth.
Speaker 1:And I've seen amazing results with this with my own my own family. And my guest today, Jonathan Otto, has been doing it for quite some time using chlorine dioxide. It's also one of the most common questions that I get. People asking me, Seth, can you please talk about chlorine dioxide? Can you talk about it?
Speaker 1:How how is it used? What does it do? Where do I get it? So we're gonna cover a lot of this information. Now a quick disclaimer, I'm not prescribing anything.
Speaker 1:I'm not a doctor. The purpose of this show is for education entertainment. So maybe you're gonna laugh. Maybe you're gonna cry. Best of purpose is to entertain you while giving you some really healthy and good information.
Speaker 1:So we're gonna be doing a deep dive into what chlorine dioxide is, how it works, and so much more. So please enjoy the interview. Mister Jonathan Otto, it is good to have you back on, man. I I always look forward to our discussions. It's I actually, we have met in person, and we have sat around and chatted, but I just think you're the kind of guy that I could have over for coffee at midnight, and we'd be up until five in the morning just talking about everything.
Speaker 1:So thank you for being here, man.
Speaker 2:Thanks for saying that. It means a lot to me. It's it's hard to find, people that you can really fill yourself with in in life often. And, and I think I the reason why I just love having the conversations that we have is because you are dedicated to giving people answers and solutions. And, what we're gonna share today is holding back no punches, and there's nothing to gain here.
Speaker 2:We're talking about a very controversial subject that puts us both at risk. And so I think that, people should really pay attention carefully and see their heart and intent behind this and your spirit. It's just infectious. That's why people love you and follow you, man. So let's let's do this thing.
Speaker 1:That's great. So yeah. You you said today's topic, chlorine dioxide. You know, they're right now, we're we're in this amazing time where a lot of treatments and and cures for, you know, cancer and a lot of the big things that, you know, up until, say, a couple years ago, your average person thought the only solution is chemotherapy or big pharma, but now there's just this mass awakening. It's just that the public is opening up.
Speaker 1:Even the point where Mel Gibson is talking about chlorine dioxide, ivermectin, phenobenzole on Joe Rogan. However, of all the different discussions that are happening, it still seems that chlorine dioxide, for some reason, is one of the most demonized and banned discussions, and I'd love to get your thoughts as to why that is.
Speaker 2:K. So this is controversial for a few reasons. Controversial for a few reasons. One is that it works. So that anything that works is a huge threat to the megabillion dollar industries that profit from people's ignorance, profit from people's, you lack of options and the forceful nature of, you can actually be tried as a criminal for not giving either yourself or your child the treatment that is designated when you have a cancer diagnosis because we are going to talk about cancer and chlorine dioxide.
Speaker 2:And so that's a huge threat, to the industry, for people to treat at home, by themselves and to rob that money, you know, which they're robbing because health is their birthright. And they probably got the cancer was caused by something that a an agency, that had no no care like Monsanto or or a company like Monsanto, Bayer, and what they've done with glyphosate as as one of many examples, but they're often covering each other's backs. And all these things are causing cancer, and then they're they're they're forbidding the cures. So not only is it arguably one of the most, if not the most effective treatment for for cancer, but secondly, is the most accessible in that it is affordable and it's a substance that is it it's on the table of elements, sodium and chloride, which are both salts. And chlorine dioxide is not chlorine.
Speaker 2:It's different, and it's just it's a it's a byproduct when sodium and chloride are activated by hydrochloric acid, which is naturally in your gut, or citric acid. The universal accessibility of this is is arguably the biggest threat because it costs nothing. And so to give a comparison, for $20, somebody could have enough for a year. Or or in the Universal Antidote documentary, they put forward a hundred dollars would be enough for a lifetime. And arguably, that's accessible to all.
Speaker 2:And and that's a retail price, like, let alone the actual cost of just sodium and chloride, which then makes it universally accessible. And that's the big problem to this industry that, therefore can't profit off our ignorance anymore. We have this accessible, it's within our reach. Think about a treatment that let's say if I could say this, I had a hundred percent success rate in curing cancer. I'm not saying that.
Speaker 2:Let's say one thing had that, but it costs $50 to access it. Maybe two percent of the population could access that. I'm just saying numbers, but like not many people can afford that. Everyone can afford this. This is why it's being done throughout Latin America, and Africa.
Speaker 2:Hence, the Red Cross study. We'll probably talk that with Jim Humble with it being a % effective against malaria. Who stands up against that of all people? I mean, I used to work for World Vision, a nongovernment organization that in humanitarian aid. Red Cross stand up against people in Uganda and throughout Africa getting chlorine dioxide to prevent and to cure malaria, which claims millions of lives per year with a treatment that costs nothing.
Speaker 2:Why did Red Cross, deny that that experiment or that case, report existed? This is horrific to to understand that even on government organizations are captured. And and then to put the fear of God in people, they've threatened people beyond measure. And we'll talk about the criminal cases where people have been put in jail for this in in in America and through these, you know, fraudulent trials. And then and then that puts the fear of God in people like you and me and practitioners that are not willing to give it to their patients.
Speaker 2:They're great people, and I know lots of them. They're not willing to talk about this or do anything with it. That all of those things are are are an injustice, but none of them are relevant to anyone that's listening to this because you're willing to talk about it. I'm willing to talk about this. So don't let that disempower you.
Speaker 2:Let that alert you to how important this conversation is.
Speaker 1:Exactly. It's it's what they say when you're over the target. Right? You know it when you're over the target. How about you know, why don't you give us a quick disclaimer?
Speaker 1:Right? That way, you know, everyone knows that, you know, we're not selling chlorine dioxide. We're not advocating for it and and demanding people take it. So I'll let you give the quick disclaimer for the episode.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly. This is for educational purposes only and entertainment purposes only. We are not my myself and Seth, and we're not diagnosing, treating, or curing or or telling people that they should do chlorine dioxide as a treatment for themselves. We're giving information, that is based on clinical studies that people can look at and consider, and you should consult with your local or, designated health care provider to make your health decisions.
Speaker 2:We're here just to give you information and, let let let us be what we are, and you can make your own choices, but we are exempt from from that liability because of that premise.
Speaker 1:There we go. Great. So I wanna structure this discussion in in the following kind of ways. First, get into what are some some case studies, what are some of these studies that you've mentioned where we have some data of showing, is it effective? What can it do?
Speaker 1:What are the kinds of things it can treat? Then I wanna look at, like, how it actually works. So I want you to, you know, show us, like, how you mix it. Let's demystify it a little bit. And then I wanna get in talking about the role of oxygen, and then we'll kinda go from there.
Speaker 1:But so first off chlorine dioxide, give us, like, the the quick elevator pitch of of of how you even consume it. And then and we will we'll show the mixing on a little bit later, but how do you consume it? It's kinda what is demystify a little bit. But then I wanna dig into case studies and some of the actual studies that that you're very familiar with where it's been used in in, you know, the kind of wide range of applications.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I'm excited about that. Let's a % do that and to throw a little spanner in your your cogs right now, Seth, what if I what if I tell you, why don't we share some of the images so that people can then really, you know, witness that with their eyes? Because sometimes people don't even really care. But we we'll we'll definitely do everything that you're talking about.
Speaker 2:But they they want us to me, they'll wanna see some of the images that we have there if if you're fine to pull them up, and then I'll do I'll then I'll answer your question if that's alright with you.
Speaker 1:Sure. I'll just give a quick kind of warning is that these are images of open wounds. And so if you're squeamish or sensitive or you're watching this while you're eating lasagna, I don't recommend that. If you have kids watching, you might wanna tell them to close their eyes because, you know, these are images of of of wound open wounds on people. So with that being said, so you are what we've got two different sets of images.
Speaker 1:So I'll pull this one up here first. So what's going on in this picture? And that's Carcinoma. Looks pretty serious.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, it's a carcinoma. So it's like a type of skin cancer, and the obviously, you could see visibly he's the skin cells, they are not forming into normal healthy cells, and he he doesn't look good. And if you didn't see the image on the right, some people are gonna, like, lose it looking at these images. They can't handle it. But just remember the story ends well.
Speaker 2:If you're having a hard time, just let your eyes go to the right and see, like, this guy didn't have surgery, and his skin regenerated. And not only did the cancer go away by the topical use of chlorine dioxide, the internal use by drinking, and he may have done the enemas. And there are there are thousands of these case studies, and they're referenced in in the book, for example, by doctor Andreas Kalka, Forbidden Health, and they give specifics on these cases. Yeah. That's it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Great book. Game changer. Yeah. I love yeah.
Speaker 2:And I love how simple that is. That that was a lifesaver for my family, in multiple circumstances. My mother-in-law treating my father-in-law with COVID when his oxygen levels were plummeting for COVID with COVID, and then you could see it minute by minute, hour by hour, restore just in front of your eyes because with these pulse oxes, you could just check it every hour, and you drink the chlorine dioxide. You watch your oxygen levels just go up, up, up, up every hour. And then some something where he could have then been hospitalized, intubated, and then and then he's out.
Speaker 2:And then my brother my my brother, not my brother-in-law, my brother, he, he was in Japan, and he was had this acute appendicitis. He had an abscess. They couldn't operate. I flew my mom out from Australia, to bring the chlorine dioxide because I couldn't find where to get it there, and I wanted him to have that support. And so I just, you know, worked that out.
Speaker 2:And he came out of that without a surgery. In this case, they they couldn't do the surgery anyway. He had a resolution of symptoms. He did do antibiotics as well, but the chlorine dioxide was clearly effective. So a game changer.
Speaker 2:So, yes, that that was a great image there. And so, again, it's sorry to derail there, but there's a couple of things there of it it's helping, and it's providing oxygen to these critical areas of the body. And you'll see in the next image with the breast cancer, and we'll show some more in in the video form.
Speaker 3:Go
Speaker 1:ahead. So just a quick question about this guy. So this obviously, there's a massive cancer growth on his face. It's looks looks almost like he got hit with, like, a shotgun in the cheek or something. Like, it's it's pretty serious looking.
Speaker 1:So was it was this one of Andrea Calco's patients? Are you familiar with the specifics? Do you know did he just take chlorine dioxide? Was there anything else? Because this is a that's a very, very significant change.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly. One of the challenges with a lot of these images, and you'll find the same thing in the video we're about to watch, when I'm I I sit down with Andreas Kalka. I've been with him in person here. We've been doing some various things together, and I'll pull up the cases.
Speaker 2:Like, tell me more about this. And he's like, Jonathan, listen. There are there are tens or even hundreds of thousands of images like this, and we we get them all the time, and we verified so many of them. But, like, yeah, for you to for me to give you a case on that particular one, I I can't give you all that information, but I can tell you the protocols that people use for carcinoma. I can you the protocols people use for prostate cancer, and we'll go through those.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, that's that's an important aspect. And a lot of these some of these individuals one of the things that he was bringing to my attention was that, let's say, it was a child with cancer, there were certain circumstances where they would be threatened by their local governments so that they would
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Speaker 2:Or even get their child taken off them or something like that when they had an autism case get completely reversed. It's like really shocking things like that. Some of the people were afraid to come forward. In most cases or in a lot of cases, these people are coming forward, and I can show you the platforms where you can actually get all the details on these cases where they will go through everything they did and show their exact they they'll show all their lab reports from their doctors, and I can show you those platforms where you can get all that information. You cross reference it, and you look at that person, realize they got nothing to gain here.
Speaker 2:They're just tell and and these aren't CGI images. There's so many of them. I I don't even know if c j c h CGI is at that level where it can look so real. What we're about to see with the videos, it's so real. You'll see it real time.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So, anyway, that's an important line of delineation there, but you can get lots of details, by going deeper into the individual cases. Sometimes you have to translate them from because from Spanish as an example because there are there are millions of people doing this, estimated around 10,000,000 people around the world doing this. And a lot of them are in Latin America, so you could just, you know, then use, translations. But a lot of these are translator or have the have the subtitles or closed captions.
Speaker 1:And so walk us through I'll I'll scroll down to the next picture here. This is a a woman who had looks like pretty significant breast cancer. So Yeah. Walk us through what we're seeing here.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So, like, the top left there, you'll see an image after that tumors surfaced. And and so there there's another part of that, which we'll see in the video where you'll see cases where it it's actually surfacing coming out. And then and then most importantly, then you're seeing a regeneration as you go from left to right to the bottom image on the far right where you see complete regeneration here and, again, without surgical incision. And topical use, most cases, a lot of cases almost all the cases, they're all drinking the chlorine dioxide.
Speaker 2:I was actually just drinking it even though you can't see what's in the glass, it's finished there. But I'll I'll I'll show more there. But yeah. So you have this concept of I need to kill cancer. I need to get rid of this thing.
Speaker 2:And this is a a really important mind shift that you can you can understand that what's happening here is much more than just getting rid of a cancer. It's giving the information to the body, and and it really has so much to do with oxygen, and and electrons. It it's both of those equally as important electrons because that that that's electricity. The body is lacking information and the ability to communicate cell to cell. And this is arguably the one of the major factors that's driving cancer.
Speaker 2:Yes. It's parasites, but they're interfering with that signal. So the body's not getting the information it needs. The cells aren't getting the information it needs. And then oxygen.
Speaker 2:The the the body's not getting the oxygen it needs to not only get rid of problems and cause apoptosis and destroy unhealthy and cancerous cells, but the ability to regenerate and to produce healthy cells. And you see that, you know, look far right, you see regeneration, you see healthy cells, you see that this person looks like they've, you know, gone to a, like a wellness clinic and they've got some kind of, you know, regenerative therapy that's helped to, you know, replenish their skin and make it healthy again. And this is the exciting part about what we're talking about, Seth.
Speaker 1:It's it's just incredible. And so, I know that there's it's it's not easy to get data. Like, you know, there's not, you know, the NIH isn't full of peer reviewed studies on chlorine dioxide, but, you know, I know that you've talked to a lot of people that have been treating a lot of people with including Andreas Kalkut, right, who has done am I correct in saying that he's probably one of the leading people in the world in terms of chlorine dioxide?
Speaker 2:Yeah. No question. Yeah. Because because he dedicated seventeen years of his life, the last seventeen, eighteen years of his life to chlorine dioxide and then established a foundation and has thousands of doctors working, under his, leadership. And then people are independently doing this.
Speaker 2:He's instituted in hospitals around the world. Some hospitals, particularly in South America, Bolivia being an example of that. And and then him, being well respected, and he him being us a lecturer at major universities around the world. And, yeah, he's a biophysicist. He's German.
Speaker 2:He lives between Switzerland and and Guadalajara, Mexico with their foundation down there. But there is a lot more on the study of chlorine dioxide than what people realize even on even on NIH data, which is surprising. And then the the seventeen years of experience they have is in publishing studies on chlorine dioxide and and and having control groups that didn't take it. And and and for COVID where they found it to be ninety nine point nine nine percent effective, where you know? And there there are studies with over a thousand people in them, not small.
Speaker 2:And so very, very substantial data.
Speaker 1:And so from what he what you've you've gone from him, what what is what is their success rate? I mean, I know, again, it's it's probably a lot of different data, but, you know, people are used to say you know, I'm I'm not sure you probably know what the success rate of chemotherapy is of someone living past a couple of years after treatment. But what what's typical? Is this is it really something that is this magic thing, or is it like a lot of treatments? Right?
Speaker 1:Maybe you'll you'll reduce your chance of dying within the next five years by thirty percent. Like, know, what what's happening with this?
Speaker 2:Yeah. They they they basically Andres, you hear him say the numbers that they are sitting at around seventy percent, between sixty and seventy percent. And but the thing is there, he's referencing data from the clinic where people typically have gone through all the other failed treatments. They come there as a last resort. They're almost all stage four.
Speaker 2:And so he's talking about that data, which is super super impressive then, for that to be after people are really left to die in most cases. A lot of people find about this too late, and that's why they're at these, like, clinics in the foundation, for example. But another inference interesting reference point was, Roberto Perez. He's a layperson, and he is out of Puerto Rico where I live. And he's he's the guy that's Andres' right hand when he's here in Puerto Rico organizing all of that.
Speaker 2:He's he's he sees about 70 people twice a week in his home, and he's seen several thousand people. And these are anecdotal and but but nevertheless important when I was asking him and very like, he was very humble, and he was interested in all the other things I discovered of what he should add to what he's doing. But he said it's really shocking that what we're seeing is almost a % success. And and then when I went into specifics, like, let's say breast cancer, then he would just he would and and he showed me cases where, they were injecting chlorine dioxide directly into the breast with but it wasn't him. It was with a physician.
Speaker 2:I won't even say who they are, but they're they're doctors here in Puerto Rico that are doing that and having tremendous success. But he, you know, he said, like, of all the breast cancer patients I've seen, they all were were in remission. And and it's very it's interesting. You see someone like Mel Gibson say something very anecdotally where he says, they did these things and he mentions the list that you just talked about. And then he says, that they're all cancer free and they're all stage four and they didn't they're all they all no longer have cancer at all.
Speaker 2:And that's three for three for him if he's telling the truth, which, you even verified one of the cases because you know a doctor that was involved in one of the three cases. So we we have data on this. It's not just all made up, and that's anecdotal, and we can go to where all the clinical peer reviewed studies are on chlorine dioxide because they do exist, for various, conditions. Also, the use of chlorine dioxide as an antivenom, which which is a 02/2017 patent, which is from from actually doctor Kalka. Lots of really great data.
Speaker 1:So beyond cancer, what else what else is it useful for? Because we we use it in our home. But why don't you explain you know, because I think it's it's referred to as oftentimes, like, the the miracle antidote or there's even didn't NASA even coin it something like that?
Speaker 2:The Exactly. They said it was a universal
Speaker 1:The universal antidote. Yeah. Yes. So what what what has chlorine dioxide been shown to treat?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So it you you look at the history where you see somebody like Jim Humble who was known as the discoverer of of this even though it's it's salt. And so the bible talks about the importance of salt as an example. I mentioned that, be the salt of the earth. If the salt has lost its savor, it's good for nothing but to be trodden underfoot.
Speaker 2:So meaning that if salt has its savor, if it has its, saltiness, if it's high in concentration, it's it's valuable. It's of of great benefit. Why why is that? Well, you're a saltwater being. And so, anyway, think about the significance of the importance of that and why why is it saying be the salt of the earth.
Speaker 2:What's so salt is bad. Right? And yet when it whenever anyone feels bad, they'll get put on an IV drip, and they feel good immediately, which is just water and salt. Saline is water and salt. Your body runs off this.
Speaker 2:And so a high concentration in this case, like a 25% is going to, be extremely beneficial for electrons and oxygenation. But the the conditions for which it can be used, far reaching. And and and this is where it'd be interesting to pull up the document to look at the documented, conditions, symptoms, diagnosis that it's been effective for, that they have a case study on every single condition that's listed in this as we go into forbidden health and look at the index.
Speaker 1:Yes. So actually, so here, this is the the actual book itself. I've got so the the physical book I'm holding here, this is just the PDF. It's free. I'll put the link in the the show description, But let's go back to, I think, the very beginning where the table of contents where you're looking at
Speaker 2:Then you see Uganda there. That was the malaria study. So it's really really great for people to have the history on that. Yep. Keep going.
Speaker 2:Yep. There you go. So, you know, chapter four is an example where you have all of these conditions in alphabetical order. There are 75,000 different diagnoses, so don't feel like if it doesn't have something you're dealing with that it's not gonna work for you. How long would this book have to be to deal with all the diagnoses of Latin words that are really just coining symptoms that really don't tell you anything about the condition?
Speaker 2:This should just give people an idea of the fact that this truly is a universal antidote. But, yes, but you should you should read some of the the titles.
Speaker 1:It's just crazy looking at this abscess, acne, allergies, Alzheimer's, anxiety, appendicitis, asthma, you know, dandruff, dementia, depression, diarrhea, Ebola, Epstein Barr, I mean, erectile dysfunction, E. Coli, influenza, fractures, crazy, cystic fibrosis, common cold burns, bone cancer, breast cancer. I mean, this is this is like, it's almost like you're looking at a list of, like, hey. What can kill you? Right?
Speaker 1:Gout, heavy metals, headache, hernia, herpes, HIV, kidney cancer, leukemia, Lyme disease, lymphoma, malaria, meningitis, pneumonia, prostate cancer. I mean, it's just crazy that these are all within this book. Tumor, typhoid fever, tongue cancer, thyroid cancer, skin rash. I mean, it's it's crazy actually that these are all so you tell me that obviously, so these are all in his book. So Yes.
Speaker 1:These are all things that he has case studies. That's what this book is. Right? So if if if someone's just to kind figure the book and and flip through it, it's really just a giant list of case studies. Right?
Speaker 1:So you you go to one of these things like diabetes. Right? And then you'll have the explanation of symptoms, author's note, and then testimonials. Right? So here's someone that I I was a 36 year old I'm 36 years old from Panama.
Speaker 1:Since 16, I have health issues, continues, continues. Six weeks ago, I started treatment with MMS and citric acid. After three days, I began to felt a lot of energy. After a week, I noticed a tingling sensation in my feet and calves. After fifteen days, I started recovering the sensitivity back of my fingers and feet, continued.
Speaker 1:Right? The wound is now dry. It's healed. So now, you see a lot of references to MMS, which is you see within these years lymphoma. Right?
Speaker 1:Symptoms, getting into the symptoms of lymphoma, but then getting into some of the testimonials. So actually, here's lymphoma here near non Hodgkin's lymphoma. So yeah. Again, MMS. MMS here, for instance, this guy says, hello.
Speaker 1:My name is Rob. I was diagnosed with non Hodgkin follicular lymphoma four years ago. I just found out about MMS. I'm giving it a chance. I don't have the results yet.
Speaker 1:I'm feeling very confident. On the other hand, I have had a chronic shoulder and back problems for the past thirty years. I've been taking MMS for a week, and the pain in my shoulder and back areas significantly diminished. So it's just interesting. So walk us through, like, what is what's MMS, and and how is it referenced versus MMS versus CVS?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. So MMS is miracle mineral solution. So the name sounds a little funny for some people, but it's because, Jim Humble was this kind of savant, explorer, interesting guy who was in Africa, hence, the some of the discovery there, the Red Cross study that never happened with malaria. And that was the best kind of thing that he could come up with. And it was actually Carey Rivera whose reference at the start of the book, and that was where he, you know, talked about a thousand cases of autism where children were nonverbal becoming completely verbal.
Speaker 2:And I met with a mother that was a medical doctor, is a medical doctor here in it was actually in San Juan. It was probably a year and a half ago. And her child was nonverbal till age 10, and he he was vaccine injured. He's 23, who is 25 now, but 23 at the time when I was talking with her, he'd completed a university degree. His life was completely normal, and he was completely dysfunctional as a child, at age 10 being nonverbal by that point.
Speaker 2:So that gave a lot of hope. Anyway, so it was Carrie Rivera. Sorry. I kinda digressed. She talked to him, and Carrie was the one that was spearheading all the work on autism.
Speaker 2:And so he references her and says of the work that she'd done with chlorine dioxide with autism being monumental. And, she had encouraged Jim Humble to make it sound a little less, strange to people like MMS. Hence, she urged for it to be called chlorine just for it to be called by its name, chlorine dioxide. And then on doctor Andre's Kalka, as he developed a way to off gas it to make it even more gentle but equally arguably equally as effective. Though Carrie Revere would say that the the straight mixture of, like, the MMS, which she calls the CD protocol, and she has a book for that, for autism is the most effective, for example, for children with autism.
Speaker 2:But the CDS was really the, what doctor Kalker brought to the fore to show people how to off gas it. So it was extremely gentle. Then it became a again, better protocol, which it was as well with gym where people were drinking it throughout the day to keep a constant stream of of what the body needs for oxygen continually, to the point where even the most most recent protocols were doing enema drips while people were sleeping. And in a three week period, they would see stage four cancer patients get amazing results and even remission in that short period of time, which is almost kind of too much to say, or to to verbalize, but they would see that the consistency there. But the chlorine dioxide solution, CDS, was the the off gassing, which will show people how to do this because anyone that ever has anything negative to say on chlorine dioxide would really just say that about maybe taking a high too high concentration in too short a time period and then feel a bit of nausea and maybe vomit, and that would be a reason for people then to get discouraged.
Speaker 2:But he he found a way to make that super gentle for the body. And then and so then, yeah, hence the different names, but it but you'll see in the book because MMS was still the way it's known, you'll see so many of the testimonials are referring to it by that name. And so it's kind of based on what people's knowledge is. And a lot of the cancer cases throughout the book, if you read all the testimonials, the majority of all of them are where the people, report going into complete remission, they give the specific markers for what happened with their lab reports. So that's important for people to know too.
Speaker 1:And so walk us through, like, what does it look like? How does it work? Because I know that, you know, you're a big, you know, fan of it, and you you're often you know, we'll be chatting or something, and you'll have a cup of it next to you, like, on on the Zoom call. It's like, oh, yeah. There you go with your MMS or your CDS.
Speaker 1:So, you know, let's let's further demystify it. Like, show us what it is. How do you make it?
Speaker 2:Awesome. Alright. Here we go. Get chemistry class with with with Jonathan and, and, sir. And and some point, you you could flick through, as well.
Speaker 2:Maybe after I do this, you could show, that video as well so people can see some of these other tumor cases in in video form as well if they if you're down for that. K. So I've got sodium chloride, which is this one here. This is in German because I got this in Switzerland, this particular one. I was in Kenya doing, food famine relief and long term sustainability.
Speaker 2:We had a girl that was bitten by a scorpion. We used this. It it worked extremely effectively. She was in a bad state, and they do often die from scorpions that size. And she was, like nothing happened to her within a few hours.
Speaker 2:Again, it's anecdotal, but it's a great case study. She also did use nicotine as well and and and another therapy. But these things go together really well. So okay. So now sodium chloride here.
Speaker 2:And, yeah. And the reason why I was in Switzerland, I was meeting my wife. We we went to a marriage retreat on on the way back, and I'd given out all my chlorine dioxide, so hence why I've got this in German. And and I was feeling pretty flat, actually very flat, needing a lot of naps, and and then that just went away as soon as I was like, hey. Hey, Andreas.
Speaker 2:Do you have a a contact here in Switzerland? I know this is where you're based. And so he had a friend that I I could purchase it from. I don't sell chlorine dioxide. I educate on it, and Seth doesn't either.
Speaker 2:So we, we wanna protect people. And and we and we'll talk about Mark Brennan and his three sons and that that horrific case where they got put in jail. That's an important thing for people to know. Okay. So what I'm gonna do here is if I just did this straight, like, okay.
Speaker 2:I'm just gonna put, say, three drops of sodium chloride, and now I'm gonna get the hydrochloric acid. And you could see that it's just clear. But now if I put three drops of I think I did three. Again, shouldn't be so freaking out. And notice how it goes yellow if if they do a slightly different, dose because it again, it's just salt.
Speaker 2:But, but it but if I was to drink this straight right now, it wouldn't it would taste kinda, yeah, you know, strong and it wouldn't be pleasant. But now I can water this down and and I could drink this straight like this, and that's what you've been doing, Seth.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's how that's how I've been doing it. That's how my wife has been doing it where we'll take we'll do that little mix in little small cup. You let it sit for a minute or so, and then I'll pour it into, like, a big ball jar of water, and and it has a little bit of chlorine y smell to it. Like, you especially if if it's fresh, you can smell it, but, you know, you just drink it and it's it's it's not you know, it's actually a drinking, like, know, city water, right, which has a bunch of chlorine in
Speaker 2:it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Which is kinda crazy because, like, they say it's so so bad. It's so bad. But there if you look at your city water, it's like, you know, you take a bath in that stuff, and you're absorbing, like, straight chlorine chlorine, all kinds of other just terrible stuff. Fluoride, you know, who knows what. But, anyway, that's how we have it.
Speaker 1:But you have a different way of making it, which is how Andreas actually suggests to suggest to make it. Right?
Speaker 2:Yeah. And it's it's a great way for people to do it because it it gives you the benefits with that. And it it then at that point, it just tastes like water. Right? So that and you you haven't even tried that yet.
Speaker 2:So you it'd be a great addition then because if you ever start, like, feeling like, oh, I don't know if I like this taste. I still got the taste in my mouth. You've got that option to do it in that way. However, referencing back to someone like Carrie Rivera, I would take her advice on that and say, no. That is this way like this, just drinking this with a glass full of water and drinking this down and doing that throughout the day is the way to do it for, for example, for autism.
Speaker 2:And for some other acute cases, is a bit stronger. Whenever they're talking about MMS in the book, this is generally how they're doing it. So if anyone's getting in their head and they're like, yeah, I couldn't bothered doing all that stuff, then you can do it this simple way. It's working. It's, it's been very effective for you and your family, but that's that.
Speaker 2:So you could just, you know, add that to water like a glass of water, drink that that three drops. That's a very mild dose, and you could do that periodically through the day. Now and you know, if I make up a lot of this or there's a lot in here and I'm sniffing on it, it could make people short of breath. So that because of because of the off gassing of of it. So, but it's not enough for me to tell people to be worried about it.
Speaker 2:I'm often just making sure is this, like if you could see the color, it means it's active. If there's no color, it means it's not active. It is UV sensitive. If I put this in sunlight, you'll see it all vaporize, and it will look like there's a smoke machine that got that's got turned on. But that's a good thing for people to understand the oxygenating effect of of that.
Speaker 2:You could see even this glass, maybe it's fogging up a bit just from that. Okay. So now I'm gonna show you how to do this. This is how to prepare it. So you need you need a jar that you can seal.
Speaker 2:Okay? And and they you you guys are gonna, like, look at this. And if you there's a a a better description. This is good. This is this is enough.
Speaker 2:But you could go into Rumble and look up how to make CDS, and and you'll see doctor Kalko talk about this. And but I'm gonna do this. Yeah. And I'm gonna repeat what he's doing, and so you can go through that process. So firstly, he's putting and this is a plastic bottle.
Speaker 2:So plastic, not great, but it's not gonna stop the effectiveness of of this. That's a it's roughly three fifty, three hundred milliliters, and he references that in the video. He's not necessarily measuring that as specifically. This part, he is. Now I'm it's it's this simple, and it's just repeating what I'm about to do, twice.
Speaker 2:Now I'm gonna take and I'm gonna actually just make this, and I'm gonna actually gonna use this later, but it it's not immediate it's gonna take, a bit of time. But so now I'm gonna put five mils of one of the solutions. Let's say this is part a. This is and you see that I just got that up to five mils. This is the hydrochloric acid.
Speaker 2:Now I'm gonna put that in the shot glass so I can measure that. So I've already put the three drops, so ignore that. It it's not really a big difference. So I've already put that in. Now here's the sodium chloride.
Speaker 2:Now I'm gonna put five mils of this. Now I'm gonna put that in the shot glass. It's turning an amber color. Now I'm gonna put that in this jar. This is the first time I've done this on a illustration video.
Speaker 2:I do this for myself where I reference people in the video, but I I I do this all the time, but first time I've done it in the video. Now I'm gonna seal this and put that in a cabinet in the dark for twelve hours. And so as you can see that it's it's off gas. It's going to off gas. It's not directly making contact.
Speaker 2:Now I put this in a cabinet in the dark for twelve hours. I pull this out, and I don't use what's in the shot glass. I take this out, throw this out, or use this for cleaning. Look at it how amber that's, you know, going. Okay.
Speaker 2:Now this is now gonna be yellow color, which I'll show in a bottle over here. I now repeat and do the exact same thing. Five mils of each of these back in the shot glass, put it back in, close the lid, put it in the cabinet for twelve hours. That's completed a twenty four hour cycle. This now is going to be a 3,000 parts per million chlorine dioxide of which this is the important part.
Speaker 2:Don't drink all this. You only take ten mils of this. This is the important part. You only take ten mils of this, which is going to look like this. This is now the made up solution.
Speaker 2:And I'm gonna take 10 of this, put this in a liter of water, and drink that 10 times through the day. I could move that from 10 up to 30, and that is, and if I was if somebody was on their deathbed, he does have, like, a terminal like, this person is dying, type protocol, which is, eighty mils. So which done before, but I wouldn't do that unless you felt like there was some extreme thing where somebody was like, they needed that amount of oxygen and electrons in a very acute state. Otherwise, you would just put ten to thirty mils. And thirty mils to me is is great.
Speaker 2:It's very therapeutic. And then you then put that in a liter of water and drink that, and that is that's that. I'm just I just put I did that very, non measured, and I've put some in this glass or ceramic, cup, and I'm gonna drink a little bit of this. I can't taste it. Even even that much, which is a lot.
Speaker 2:That was a lot, comparatively because that I put a pretty decent drop. It was probably maybe five mils, but it was only in a cup of water. And I I can't even taste it. I can't tell the difference. Now if you're having a I'm not saying that children should drink it or anything like that, but the way that, the children that do it, they have a straw and they have the the bottle sealed so that they can't smell it if if that's an aversion.
Speaker 2:So because some of the children, like, let's say with autism, they or they they're very sensitive. Like, they don't wanna smell something. They don't like it. And and so yeah. That so that's as simple as it is.
Speaker 1:I also know that because I've talked to a few different doctors before when, you know, for getting advice on things, and some of them have even said that you can put it in bathwater, right, for for a child. So they're not even consuming it, but they just absorb it through their skin in in the bath water. And so walk us through how does okay. Why is it so effective? Right?
Speaker 1:And this is one of the questions, like, what is the role of oxygen in this? And why is it that just this one solution just with how it relates to oxygen primarily, if I understand correctly, Why is that so important, and how is it that one thing can be such a a universal antidote?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Firstly, we just shouldn't have disease. It should be a shock to us that disease exists. There's some what is it that the body lacks that disease even exists in the first place?
Speaker 2:And if the body has what it needs, there shouldn't be disease. And so the things that it needs is, generally speaking, you know, food, water, and oxygen. And and, yes, movement, but they all relate. But those are the things that your body needs and and uses to survive and thrive. So you could live perhaps, a few months without food, depending.
Speaker 2:You could live a few weeks. Well, okay. So you can live a few, a few months without food, a few days without water, and how long could you live without oxygen?
Speaker 1:Three, four minutes, five minutes, even before you start having brain damage.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. Okay. Wow. Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 2:And and so I'm a diver, and so I you know, I'm lucky to be able to hold my breath for a minute and a half as an example under underwater. And so, yeah, absolutely. These are your body needs oxygen so so bad, not just so that you can live because you don't think about this. The oxygen is critical for every area of the body. So then how does this relate to oxygen?
Speaker 2:Well, when you take a solution, like, what I just did was, referred in the book as protocol c as in CDS, as in chlorine dioxide solution. Doing that, like, which is about 10 times a day, using 10 mils in a liter of water up to 30 mils in a liter of water drank about 10 times a day during the waking hours, then you're delivering about 10,000,000 oxygen molecules. Wait for it. For every single red blood cell in the body.
Speaker 1:Incredible. So 10 over 10,000,000 oxygen molecules for every Correct. You see red blood cell?
Speaker 2:Correct.
Speaker 1:And so Correct. What is what does that do? Like, why Yeah. Like, why get obviously, you know, our our whole breathing apparatus, our lungs, the blood, it's all about not all, but primarily, it's about carrying oxygen to our cells. Right?
Speaker 1:So what happens when you drink this solution which somehow brings this massive amount of oxygen into your bloodstream, into your body, into all your cells? Like, why is it so effective?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So there's a reason why people are doing hyperbaric chambers, and they're working, and they're effective. And it it's one of the mainstays for any cancer clinic as an example because they're seeking to elevate the amount of oxygen that's getting into the body because for whatever reason, while we're breathing, one, firstly, most people aren't breathing deep enough. That's a good point to make here. And if you look at the animals that live longest, it's the ones that have the ability I'm making a generalization, but you'll see this example where the these animals that have the ability to hold their breath for long periods of time, they're they're they they do live longer.
Speaker 2:The naked mole rat, like, I believe it's eighteen minutes. And, yes, and then, you know, whales and turtles. And that's interesting. Like, people, like, you know, watch Nemo. Like, how old are you, man?
Speaker 2:I am a 50 years old, dude. And so anyway, it's just surreal to think about these creatures that that yeah. Because turtles don't breathe underwater. But they anyway, I don't wanna go down too deep down. Like, it's gonna boggle people's minds.
Speaker 2:It's kinda interesting and fascinating and amazing. But the ability for the body then to be able to absorb through deep breathing, being able to hold your breath, and that's why this breathing work is related to a lot of disease reversal as well when people look into that breath work and people being able to deep breathe in through the belly instead of chest breathing. Their risk factors for all different diseases will go down. Now why is this then different and specific? And the answer is that, in this case, what's happening is that, because, these sodium and chloride, these electrolyte minerals, they're measured in picometers instead of nanometers.
Speaker 2:So they're even smaller. So it's a thousand picometers in a nanometer. And so, like, roughly, I think, about 270 picometers for sodium as an example. What's happening is they go through the cells, and they're delivering oxygen directly into the cells. So intracellular, the cells are getting oxygen.
Speaker 2:And so whenever you're thinking about, the body and the ability for something like you're looking at, say, nutrients and hoping that they you're gonna get them in and and that your body will be able to digest this properly. And your if your digestion's bad, then you're you're not going to absorb everything you think you're getting. But this is the it's like a it's like a bypass where you're getting it directly into the bloodstream, and it's crossing cell membranes and oxygenating cells. When the cells have oxygen, they function properly. They can do what they need to do.
Speaker 2:They heal. They regenerate. So it's less about disease and more about normal function, which then creates an environment in which disease can't exist. And it parallels with something that we've been talking about quite a lot, which is red light therapy, which is another oxygen therapy, but it's very specific with specific reactive oxygen species. And the clinical studies on red light therapy are a slam dunk.
Speaker 2:Like, there is almost nothing that has more validity and backing behind all different types of diseases than red light therapy. And if you put into, like, Google, you know, what is the reason why all these cancer studies, the people going into remission on red light therapy that in clinical studies on PubMed, what's the mechanism? And it will tell you specifically red light therapy produces electromagnetic waves that go through the body and cause the body to produce reactive oxygen species that are highly reactive and target disease cells and cause apoptosis, which is programmed cell death of unhealthy cells. And it's the oxygen that is created in the body through red light therapy, which is your body producing it in the presence of a stimulus. So the that's a parallel there that cause, you know, a deep understanding of of that process that's fundamentally lacking in most, if not all humans today, and this is how people are getting better.
Speaker 1:Just an an interesting thing to think about is that when a a cell is deprived of oxygen, it dies. So what happens if a cell has the opposite of deprivation? What happens if a cell is given now, I mean, it's not always the case. Right? Like, you could you could say that, yeah, if you don't drink water, you die.
Speaker 1:But what happens if you drink 10 gallons in an hour, you also die. Right? So there's certain, you know, instances where the opposite isn't always true. But if depriving a cell of oxygen kills it, is it correct then that actually taking and putting a bunch of oxygen into that cell is what enables it to heal itself?
Speaker 2:Yes. Exactly. Exactly. It's giving the body what it needs, and it it it it clears out then senescent cells, which are zombie cells because, the presence of oxygen in the body then causes the death of diseased cells that need to turn over and feeds the healthy cells with what they need to to communicate and to function. And then you're you're doing both of those because you're sick and tired and lethargic and diseased because your cells are sick and tired and lethargic and diseased.
Speaker 2:And because of this, if we can correct the cellular function, we correct the system. And so and and and parallel to the oxygen is the electron conversation, which is when you're delivering electrons flooding the body with electrons, they counter the excess protons in the body, and there's this imbalance. And so and there your your body needs, it conducts electricity. You're like a battery. Once people work this out, it's fascinating because your body then needs the stimulus to be able to communicate cell to cell, and and it needs electrolytes to do this.
Speaker 2:Otherwise, the the chain is broken. The signal's not going. And then you're saying, I've got this symptom, this problem. I'm trying and then you're trying to mask that instead of realizing that there's low voltage in the body. The body is not then able to do normal functions.
Speaker 2:You're tired because there is not enough electricity. So fuel that consistently, and that's the point of helping people. This is not about just wiping something out. And notice this is already off gassing. It's already going.
Speaker 2:Noticed you guys saw that before. Pretty cool. Right?
Speaker 1:Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2:That wasn't a magician's trick. I didn't just add something. You know? It's just yeah. It's off gassing.
Speaker 2:It's going in. And you notice the top, it's all vaporizing there, and I'm gonna take the lid off. Watch what happens here. Let's see. Alright.
Speaker 2:Is that cool?
Speaker 1:See, this this is entertainment. Right? It's not we're not you know, giving god medical advice. We're entertaining with magic tricks. That's what's going on here.
Speaker 2:There you go. Exactly. Exactly. You mentioned I'm not guilty.
Speaker 1:You mentioned red light. I I pulled this study up. I just did a quick search for red light cancer. This is, you know, NIH, you know, kind of publication here. It says red light phototherapy using LED inhibits melanoma proliferation and alters tumor tumor microenvironments.
Speaker 1:And so is it the same so we we've spent a lot time talking about chlorine dioxide, but how it's you know, fundamentally, it's about giving your body the oxygen it needs and the electrons it needs. And so is it is it common that people will use CDS in conjunction with something like red light? And tell us a little more about that angle.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Absolutely. And yes. Absolutely. So yeah.
Speaker 2:This and this is great. This is a a great example of that, and and and it's using, it's using the light emitting diodes, LEDs. The reason is because they're delivering the most amount of, of light versus heat, and about 90% of the power is going into the light. And because the light is the critical factor, they feed feed the mitochondria to produce adenosine triphosphate, which is the energy powerhouse. So there is an interesting slightly different mechanism, which makes them extremely complementary.
Speaker 2:And so, yes, there's a lot of people that are doing these in combination. They naturally will do it in combination because red light is emitted by the sun and all different types of light are emitted by the sun, particularly the sunrise and the sunset where it's where it's red is where you're getting that. But the reason why people why do the cancer studies, for example, show these and I'll I'll cite some of these shocking examples with red light therapy. Why are they so starkly different from, for example, people that maybe have are battling a chronic condition like cancer and they're in the sun a lot, and not even maybe using sun screen because it's getting through the body, why do they not get some of these same results that we're seeing in these clinical studies? And the answer is there is a closeness that you're getting with that light.
Speaker 2:The radiance is so much higher, which is the amount of milliwatts delivered per centimeter squared, is so much higher when you're using a device that's using LEDs. And I'm I'm actually super grateful that, like, you go back to the nineteen hundreds when the first Nobel Prize was won for light therapy by Niels Finsen, and you fast tracked it now. It's because of the technology development we were able to take what's happening with the sun, but then put it into something that allowed us to get that at such a high density without it being harmful than to produce the reaction in the body that the body needs. And so, like, we talked about oxygen. Think about this.
Speaker 2:Singlet oxygen is produced by your own body in the presence of red light. Now what's amazing about this is that singlet oxygen is so powerful and it's so lethal that it's used to intercept a missile in in an airborne missile. Singlet oxygen has been used by the military. Look up examples. These you know, shooting these lasers that are fluorescent red and wiping out and, you know, making explosions.
Speaker 2:And so there are explosions happening inside the body with singlet oxygen. And if you look at any cancer study like this one, you may even see the word singlet oxygen in even in that study, and you just put it into Google and you'll see that that's the premise by which they even approach this because they're saying, okay. Well, let's try red light therapy then for prostate cancer or breast cancer or colon cancer or lymphoma or lung cancer. Let's try it and see what happens. And the premise is because, if this causes the body to produce reactive oxygen species that's specific to the body, your body is making it for you, then that could clear out the cancer.
Speaker 2:And this is an example of where you see the prostate cancer study that was done in it was a European study. It was four thirteen participants. Forty nine percent go into remission in the two year period. These guys are doing outside of that most likely all the conventional therapies, some of which are taking the lives of the participants like chemo, surgery, radiation for prostate cancer, two year study. The control group that didn't do the red light therapy is thirteen point five percent, which shows that it was it was a four times higher survival rate if you were using just red light therapy in augmentation to what you were doing in in this case.
Speaker 2:Arguably, was completely clinical, and traditional medicine, which a lot of your viewers would not opt for that, and they would see the the likelihood of survival being much greater if they also did chlorine dioxide or mistletoe or methylene blue in conjunction with the red light or ivermectin, phenbendazole. And now people are thinking, and that's really what Mel Gibson was referring to. He ended up accidentally referring to a, like a well pronged system that was targeting different aspects of the body. You can't just go and kill parasites and think you've solved the problem when you've not dealt with the issue of your body's ability to clear out cancer cells by producing reactive oxygen species. That's the premise.
Speaker 2:That's the holy grail of all therapies. And it's why as well with the clinical study on breast cancer where they used four different wavelengths of red light and they found that it was six sixty and that was the only one that could do it. But it dropped breast tumor proliferation, meaning the replication, the growth of that tumor by 40% in only twenty four hours. And it was in a human cell line and it was in it was an in vitro study, which means it was done in a petri dish, and hence why you'll see me reference, human studies. And this is a human study, but, live participants and and and and and in vitro studies like this, and it was in both triple negative and nontriple negative breast tumor cell lines.
Speaker 2:Amazing results with that using red light therapy in such short periods of time getting those results. And the one that we've talked about as well a couple times was the lymphoma pilot trial from 02/2006, which is on PubMed, which it's shocking that we have access to this on mainstream platforms where they have three participants and only three, all three go into remission in one week after two sessions of photobiomodulation, which is coined as photodynamic therapy because they added a photosensitizing agent. And in this case, they used aminoluvalinic acid. The ones that are easy to get ahold of are the, methylene blue, curcumin, berberine. Combining these, are really powerful.
Speaker 2:And, of course, to me, I'm such a fan. I think chlorine dioxide is just it's a go to because it it just does so many it helps so well, and and it it these are complementary therapies.
Speaker 1:So I've got two short, like, one minute videos that just kind of help round out the overall discussion about light in general and the power of the Sun. And now, ultimately, I think that if all of us had the right access to Sun, if there weren't chemtrails covering the Sun up, and we and we're getting out that and hitting that that low angle Sun, right, that morning and that evening sun, right, where you're hitting these wavelengths, that would be the best. But I I have one video here I'm gonna show. This is a guy talking about three reasons why getting low angle sunlight is so important. So I'll play this really quickly, and I have another one about sunglasses.
Speaker 1:So check this out.
Speaker 4:Reasons why getting early morning low angle sunlight into your eyes is so important. Number one, early morning sunlight contains a very specific wavelength that stimulates a specific area in your brain that basically reboots your circadian rhythm and resets your day night cycle. This improves your sleep, your overall alertness, and your mood. Number two, morning sunlight stimulates cortisol release, and it stimulates it at the right time. Cortisol is the wake up hormone.
Speaker 4:This improves your overall metabolism. It improves your immune function and your overall sense of alertness. Number three, when you get low angle sunlight into your eyes, the retina stimulates your brain to release serotonin and dopamine which are the feel good neurotransmitters. This improves your overall mood, your level of alertness, as well as your overall cognitive function. So by simply getting up early and watching the sunrise, you can support your body's natural rhythms, improve your mood, and enhance your overall cognitive function.
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Speaker 1:So that's interesting because, you know, for for me, for instance, we we live in the woods. I don't get sunlight coming in through my windows until probably ten or 11AM. Right? Because we've got big trees all around us. But he mentioned that specific wavelength, and then, you know, in previous discussions, we've brought up, you know, charts that show the wavelength of the Sun at different times of day.
Speaker 1:I know that a lot of the red light therapies simulate the exact same wavelengths of the Sun at different specific periods. And something, gosh, like, I mean, we've got red light panel at home with the big one of the big ones. I think, oh, gosh. I should be doing that every morning. Like, up, going to laying and looking in into the red light.
Speaker 1:But I'm gonna play one other video here, which is really really interesting about the link between sunglasses and your skin health and and cancer. So look at this. This is also, again, showing you the power of light.
Speaker 3:First introduced sunglasses. It started triggering a massive increase of cancers. It has everything to do with cancer. You are filtering out certain rays of the sun which is supposed to enter you're blocking them out and the pineal gland which receives the light in a different color formation that means the entire spectrum of light. It is necessary for the body to have that light.
Speaker 3:It's the basic metabolic processes. You have to allow UV light to come in. When you do that you are producing a hormone in the brain that is responsible for the melanin production in your skin. So that's where your skin protection occurs. If you are not producing that your skin becomes susceptible to even sunlight.
Speaker 3:Let's say you wear sun shades, your body thinks it's dark outside.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:And that it doesn't make that hormone that is responsible for producing the melanin to protect your skin. The light is needed and every cell communicates with every other cell through light. Our cells require sunlight to grow, you know, reproduce themselves so that you have a new, you know, body constantly, you know, created over and over and over again.
Speaker 1:So to me, both of those videos help they give this whole different dimension to this in looking at, you know, our overall health. They will have people, you know, deal with skin cancer. Like, I I have family that they've had skin cancer before. They're so worried about cancer. They're they're now they're they're putting sunscreen everywhere.
Speaker 1:They're wearing sunglasses, wearing a hat. But what we can see is actually it's the light that heals us. So what he's so fascinating is that your your cells communicate through light. And so is what are the similarities between, say, a red light panel and, you know, going out in the sun at the right time of day?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So, one, the thing that is great, and I'm so glad you're you're giving a stage to encouraging people to get into the sunlight. So, one, I everything I say and do, I want people to get back to nature, back to God, get back to the Garden of Eden, you know, be grounded and get that sunrise, get that sunset. So in in everything I say, I don't wanna diminish that in any way. And so, you know, and so then what would be the difference in somebody using red light therapy?
Speaker 2:What would even be the point? Because if you could get it from the sun, why would you why would you bother? And the answer is because, one, it matters where you're positioned in the equator for starters. So you have to be, and let's imagine that all the factors were right, where the angle of the sun, where you're positioned in the equator, where you are in the world, whatever the geography of the Earth is. Right?
Speaker 2:And so that's another another topic. But, where where you're getting that, it the there is the sad part about the fact that we're not getting the, the intensity that we need when we're in these chronic states. And and there's a reason why, you know, I just cited some amazing studies. I wish that we had those with people just going out into nature and and getting those, and they will get massive improvement, and they could expect some great health changes. But what we're finding is that when when people are channeling the the power of, like, a red light therapy device in their home, that the radiance is so much higher that it's allowing the it's allowing that communication process to happen in a much more dramatic way, to the to the effect of, let's say, with light emitting diode therapy with eyesight.
Speaker 2:For example, one exposure on a clinical study, doctor Andrew Huberman has talked a lot about this, 17% eye improvement after one session that lasted a week. And but it was only effective if it was in the morning and if you're over 40 with myopia. So that was showing, like, basically, you could unwind if you were older, your eyesight was going down. It had to be the morning dose. If it in the afternoon, it wasn't effective.
Speaker 2:But that was specifically with a light emitting diet. The intensity is so so great even though it's noninvasive and people don't experience side effects or challenges or pain. And the long COVID study was fascinating where it was sixty two participants, with long COVID, which could be vaccine injuries, and I suspect that maybe as much as half of the people were vaccine injured cases. But in this study, as a European, medical study, all sixty two after two sessions of red light therapy using a panel, they went into complete remission of all acute symptoms of long COVID, which could be the vaccine injuries, and they specifically were dysapnea, memory problems, executive problems, digestive issues, and oxygen levels under 97%. They went to a resolution of all acute symptoms within two sessions that were longer than normal, which was sixty four to eighty four minutes long.
Speaker 2:Now after two more sessions, all of which happened, all four happened within one week, all but two out of the sixty two had complete remission of every symptom in all the categories I mentioned, including mental illness, and listed it as emotional deficits. And the other two, I suspect, considering their acute symptoms were solved after the first two sessions, they clearly were responding. I suspect in the following week, they they also got better. Statistically, it would be hard to argue against me. So those results and that's my example of showing you there is a stark contrast.
Speaker 2:And if you love the sun and you think it's amazing, then it's all the more reason to take that which God has made and have it in your home and allow your body to be fed in this way because it's really just it's you live in a in an age whereby things are getting sprayed and there's toxins in your home. Indoor air pollution can be up to a hundred times more toxic than outdoor air. And so you live in a world where you live in in in a city or even if you're in the country like you are, you're still exposed to so many things outside of your world. Even polar bears have heavy metals in them. And so it we do need things to help us, and I don't think people need to spend tons of money.
Speaker 2:I don't think people need to, like, go crazy and and, like, spend their life savings or anything like that. The cool thing about red light therapy, it ends up being cheaper than anything else that people can do because it's a one and done. Any supplement, it's a reorder. So it's all even the cheapest supplement will be, more expensive than red light therapy. So that they're the big kinda contrast between those therapies.
Speaker 1:One other point I wanna make is that the sun that we have access to is not the same access that we had a hundred years ago. Right? So I pull up this this one article here. This plans to cool the Earth by blocking sunlight are gaining momentum, but critical voices risk being excluded. Solar geoengineering research is advancing fast.
Speaker 1:Right? So this is the thing, is that there's so many times when I go outside in a day, it should be a beautiful 75 degrees sunny day, but there's that thin layer of chemtrailing, even the high high altitude chemtrailing, and you can tell the sunlight's different. And so this is my concern too is because when they're putting they're spraying all this stuff. Right? So they're they're talking about here, solar geoengineering refers to proposals not not proposals, they're actually doing it.
Speaker 1:To reduce global warming by reflecting a portion of sunlight back in the space before it reaches Earth's surface. Its best known form, this means using high sorry. It's this means using high flying aircraft to inject tiny reflective particles into the upper upper atmosphere. This is called stratospheric aerosol injection aka chemtrailing. Right?
Speaker 1:And so I've also heard, you know, my wife has told me studies before about people that are say truck drivers that oftentimes get cancer on one side of their body, but they'll get cancer on the arm sitting next to their window of their of their vehicle, which is blocking certain parts of the sunlight and only letting certain parts coming through. So you have these UV protectings like, you have UV protection glasses or UV protecting sunscreen, and a lot of the car windows are UV protecting as well. And so when they're filtering, they're not get getting the right kind of sunlight, and so this also might be one of the reasons why even if someone is getting a lot of sunlight and not wearing sunglasses, they might be seeing skin cancer because they're not getting the full it's almost like they're putting sunglasses in the sky, and they're not letting the the sun's full spectrum come and get to us. So to me, this is another reason why we've we've got red light here because I want access to the to the the core light as much as I'd love to be, you know, out at 6AM frolicking nude through the yard getting sunlight.
Speaker 1:You just can't do it. Right? You still you don't get that in a lot of cases. So, yeah, I thought that was an interesting part to the overall discussion as well.
Speaker 2:I'm really glad you brought it up. I was going to touch on it, but that detail is so helpful, and and it's shocking. And and, you know, Seth says all that not to make people afraid of the sun, this benefit. You even with all those things happening, there's still amazing benefit with the sun. And and yet there is it does give us the opportunity then to say, how do I assist this?
Speaker 2:And, you know, I live in a home, and I you know, how do I do how do I do this? And and so these things go together so well, and so you can get that sunlight exposure. But, you know, people can get sun damage as well, so you gotta kind of be be careful with how long you're in the sun. I wish that weren't the case, but even animals know how to get out of the sunlight. But with the interesting thing with the red light therapy is it helps to repair the body from sun damage.
Speaker 1:Well, that's the study I pulled up. Right? Red light, you know, phototherapy inhibits melanoma proliferation. So it's like it's kinda crazy that say you you do have skin cancer because you're a truck driver or, you know, or, you know, the guy described you you're wearing sunglasses all the time that the pure red light from a red light panel actually can undo what they've done to us through geoengineering or convincing everyone to wear sunglasses, etcetera. I mean, it's just it's it's pretty amazing to to put all this stuff together.
Speaker 1:And so Yep. As we're rounding up the discussion, you know, we spent a lot of time talking about CDS. I know you don't sell CDS. I don't sell CDS. If someone wants to buy CDS without necessarily saying, okay.
Speaker 1:Hey. Here's what you should do. Where should folks start if they're looking for CDS?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Sure. So there there's there's a few different options, and they're all really the same thing. If they're within of about 22 to 28%. This one here that I have is 28, 24%.
Speaker 2:And and so, you can just look up. I even though I'm not, like, a big supporter of Amazon as an example, but I just wanna tell people that it is readily accessible in, like, a lot of parts of the world, including America. And it's surprising that it's able to be sold, but it's not sold as a medical, intervention. It's like a water purifier in that sense. Because remember how, you know, all the diseases went down after chlorine got put in the water.
Speaker 2:That's true. Right? So but chlorine is bad, but chlorine dioxide is is not harmful. So you can hence why it's able to be sold in that fashion. So you can find various companies that have it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And to me, all of these are fine because they they match the parameters, and doctor Kalka would tell you the same thing. And there's a group there, KV Lab. I've often referred people to KVLab.com to show people where to get it there, and you can get it. That's mixed up already.
Speaker 2:So that's, like, not taking the step I did, but it will cost quite a bit to do it that way. So if you learn that skill, which I would say is easier than flipping a pancake, or making a pancake, then then then you'll save a ton of money. Or you can do it the other way, which we showed at the start, which is just combining the drops. But all of these are examples. They they all have between 24, to 28% concentration.
Speaker 2:There's one for, like, the bath, for example, there where people I know some people that are using that particular one for the bath and dropping dropping those into the bath. And in the book, Forbidden Health, which you're gonna provide a link to, which people can download free on, like, through an archive, it says, there's protocol l for lavatory for bath. There's protocol e for enema. Those three are the easiest to do, the enema, the drinking, and the the bathing. And it's it's relaxing.
Speaker 2:And, you know, if you've got a a hot tub, you could use that instead of the harmful chlorine or, you know, so forth, particularly even the one that we just showed there for a moment. So great, great, opportunities with that, and you're just gonna see like, anyone that does this is gonna they're gonna say that it made a huge difference. Like, my company, for example, like, people learn about things, but many of them have battled different autoimmune conditions. They're all riding in or, you know, on calls bragging about how much this helped them even even though they did it wrong and imperfectly. So just don't let that be an obstacle because you're learning something new.
Speaker 2:Don't let great, be the enemy of good because it just needs to it doesn't need to be perfect. And people like Seth know that. They just get started. He reaches out to me. I'm the guy that just, you know, learns, researches.
Speaker 2:I'm an investigative journalist. Sure. That's great. But at the end of the day, I'm an action taker. That's what makes me a leader, and be the same.
Speaker 2:Be an action taker.
Speaker 1:And now and so what about red light red light therapy? So Yeah. Obviously, that again, like, that's what we use almost daily. Actually, yesterday, it was a great protocol that I did. I I worked out.
Speaker 1:I did a really good workout. I took a cold shower, and I said, you know, I did workout, and then I did red light therapy for about fifteen minutes or so. You know, first five minutes, I was kinda staring into it, try to help my eyes. I also and then I did a cold shower, but also have one of the red light ball caps. Right?
Speaker 1:Because I need my hair to look nice for the, you know, man in America show. So I'm also I've got a red light hair cap as well. But where where do folks find the red light therapy? And if someone's looking to get started on that, where where should they start?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Absolutely. So as you can see, I'm I'm somebody that wants to always give people information so they can make great informed choices. And so one, I have a red light company that we offer. I you can do the research yourself, and I I I believe you'll find what we found, which is that we're offering the best products that are on the market.
Speaker 2:And and but here are the parameters to look for because you need to know to look for these and then use that litmus test to measure me, against whoever. Right? So one, it needs to have the radiance level that is going to match what we're talking about in the clinical studies, which means the amount of power delivered. And now, even the really expensive devices, a hundred and $50,000 devices, they often are well under a hundred milliwatts per centimeter squared either at the surface or at three inches. To me, that's sad.
Speaker 2:And I think that, you know, what what's happened there is that a lot of the companies haven't kept up with the evolving technology that's caused the ability to have higher irradiance. For example, we're using 42 mil chips, and because of that and anyone hearing this that's even heard about radiotherapy hasn't hasn't even heard of those parameters. So that's these are important factors that then from that premise, that makes sense now why we're at a 205 milliwatts per centimeter squared at three inches. Right? Twice that, which I just cited.
Speaker 2:For example, even the expensive clinics that you'd pay $200 a session for are using devices that are not as powerful as the ones that you could buy for a fraction, like, literally, like, you know, a tiny fraction, of that. And then, the wavelengths is the next thing to look for. Then you'd look for what are the wavelengths that I need? Like I mentioned, six sixty was the only one that could drop breast tumor proliferation. But a lot of by by 40% in twenty four hours, so you'd want one then that had six sixty if you had breasts.
Speaker 2:Or but men have breasts too, but just not the same type of breasts. But, like so you'd one is interfacing with the body, what wavelengths. And in this case, we've got nine different wavelengths, which is specifically four eighty, which is blue. And so, you have to relearn a couple of things there. Blue light, that is from a non flicker source, so a constant source, is extremely good for circadian rhythm, skin rejuvenation, neonatal care, babies in the womb, and and, arguably the best.
Speaker 2:And acne, it will skin bacteria better than anything else, but it's only a small concentration. It's about 1.5% in that in the device that that we offer, and that we and that we manufactured and developed in an like, which is fitting all the parameters, FDA class two certification, all the safety parameters that are essential, which are all listed there on the page. But, then five ninety, which is an orange, yellow light, which is amazing again for skin, small concentration of that, then all the red, six thirty, six 60, six 70, eight 10, eight 30, eight 50, and ten sixty, which once it goes over 800, that's near infrared, so you can't visibly see it. And that's getting into the deep penetration, lungs, brain, all the clinical studies on anything that goes deeper. They're all using the near infrared layers, and and and a lot of them are using the red at the same time.
Speaker 2:And in what we've done, the next thing to look for so the wavelength. So most of those beds, for example, are only offering two wave wavelengths. Most devices are only offering two. It's missing the mark. This is kind of replicating the sun and at the same time giving the concentration that people need.
Speaker 2:If people think that they're getting a better thing by using incandescent bulbs or halogen bulbs, it's better for heating the body, and that's why you can use saunas like that. But they're nowhere near as good. No. There's no comparison. There's no clinical studies, like I just mentioned, on halogen bulbs doing what I just talked about with cancer because they don't interface with the mitochondria.
Speaker 2:They heat the body, but they don't feed the mitochondria. Okay. So that's the wavelengths. The dual LED is the other thing to look for, which is super uncommon. So out of one LED, you'll see two different, lights.
Speaker 2:You'll see both the red and the near infrared coming out of the same light, which causes an even depth. So let's say if you're dealing with 208, 88 LEDs, that's 576. So you're getting it's like double the size, but it's better than being double the size because you're getting more, of those critical wavelengths evenly spread throughout the body, and that's what we're offering there. And then it's yeah. So that they're the things that I would say to look for, and we're the only ones doing it like this, which is great, because we we just wanna be leaders.
Speaker 2:There are other things out there that are good, but this this is great, and it's really worth that, that because we're competitive with that anyway. Like, we're we're often much lower prices than the than the competitors anyway. So it it just makes a no brainer. We've just got a big mission. So we're our mission has always been to, like, give the savings back to people.
Speaker 2:But in terms of where to go, that would be myredlight.com. And we've got, awesome discounts there on the page and that you can activate an additional discount with using the code Seth, s e t h, which everyone knows how to spell, and that will activate, those discounts. And we've got, like, some great things there, like you got a, like, a free stand, a free belt, supplement protocol. Remember photosensitizers help activate, well, they help the absorption of light into the cells. So that that protocol will help with that.
Speaker 2:Some amazing great information resources there. And it comes also with the free wall hooks. So you could mount it either on the stand or you could put it against the door and and with a pulley system. But that's that's the protocol. And then that's and that's there.
Speaker 2:You got the hat, which you're talking to the about the mask, the belt. It's surprising. We've seen people, like, with all kinds of injuries and chronic fatigue syndrome using a belt to get better. And then and then if that the belt can do that, imagine what the full body panel can do. And, you know, when somebody invests in something like that, they can they can put it out over, like, six months, twelve months, twenty four months.
Speaker 2:So they'll end up spending just like it it'll it'll end up costing just like what a supplement does, like a $50 a month if if somebody wants to do it that way. And, there's no supplement that can do all these things. Right? So you're you're getting so much more. And then at the end of it, you don't own it.
Speaker 2:Right? You don't own that anymore. You've used it. Whereas in this case, this has a, a three year warranty, and it's a it's the rated lifespan is a lifetime. Right?
Speaker 2:So, roughly about eighty years.
Speaker 1:So there's a video of of the, a red light panel. There you are. Yeah. But is that yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So, basically, so what what I can see is that there's a a variety of different price points. It's not just, you know, you know, I it would look we research just a bunch, and there's I was looking at super superhuman protocol. There's a lot of different companies, and and you easily get up to $510,000 for these setups. Or you go on to Amazon. You're like, oh, it's it's it's cheaper on Amazon, but you're getting something coming out of some factory somewhere that's not properly tested.
Speaker 1:Probably has a lot of bad EMFs. It's also not gonna be hitting the exact specifications that that you're talking about here. So so basically, people can start wherever they want to. Even a couple hundred bucks can get someone something to get started. Like, what we've got and actually, I think I'm in the process that we're gonna get one more of these as well.
Speaker 1:We have, I think, one of these, you'd know better than I do.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. The equivalent of the one on the right.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So we have this one. Right? The
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The the full body 300 max. And and we're gonna get one more of those, because I wanna have it so that because they're about three feet or so, and I and we and I just bought a new kind of, like, you know, kind of health practitioners bed. We have up in our bedroom for laying down, so that way I can cover, you know, head to foot in one session. But again, actually, I think we're also my my mom is getting one. She's she's watched.
Speaker 1:She's like, Seth, I I gotta get one of these red lights set up, so I'm gonna I'm gonna gonna get her one of these as well. But okay. So here you go. So, yeah, myredlight.com, and, you know, again, whatever someone's budget is, you you made a good point in saying, look, even if you spend, say, a thousand bucks on one of these things, if you're doing, you know, supplements at $40 a month after a year or two years, you're already spending way more than these, and these things will last you for, I mean, you know, it it could be a decade, right, of using it daily because that's the benefit of LEDs. They just don't they don't burn out.
Speaker 1:Now Yeah. One
Speaker 2:lifetime warranty oh, the sorry. The lifetime, expected lifespan is because it's fifty thousand hours, you do the math on that, and you'll find that that is about, is about seventy or eighty years. And yeah. And and and then, like, even if you have a whole family using it, like four people like me. Right?
Speaker 2:So one one supplement is for one person. So you times that by four if you're a family of four like me and you, and that's one device, one ring to rule them all. It's one device for the family to use. So you keep doing the math on that, and you realize all the things that you're paying a lot of money for, this act if you if you were on a budget, this would be the one that I would like, and I've had people call me. I have a supplement company and their friends and be like, look.
Speaker 2:If you've got this much, then don't buy any of that right now. Just buy the red light. This is going to help you so much right now. Just why would I say that? You know, they could keep reordering from me.
Speaker 2:I just am saying that because I'm like, look. This is this is it does so many things. Like, you need the collagen for the skin, so that supplement. You need the you need this one for your gut, like the turmeric. You need this and this and this.
Speaker 2:And, yes, they they can be great in combination, but this will do so many functions and then do the best you can with your diet and then watch what happens.
Speaker 1:Well, there you go. And we we again, we use this. I know, you know, with my wife, Kate, she had a little growth on her thyroid that she was concerned about, but I I called you up. We got her step on a protocol, and we've got, you know, we've got the whole medicine cabinet full of from CDS, methylene blue. We've got, you know, a lot of doctor Brian Artis' stuff, a lot of Ed groups, you know, global healing, some of your things as well, but actually, the the red light, it's it's not just that it's just it's for healing.
Speaker 1:It's actually really relaxing. It's it's that feeling if you're sitting on the beach in the sun and just just relax. Like, I I I just I I look forward to it because it's my quiet time. It's really warm. It's cozy.
Speaker 1:It feels good. It just it's great. So again, that's myredlight.com. And then for the CDS, as we mentioned, Amazon, you know, it's actually just Amazon's easy enough. If you search for chlorine dioxide on Amazon, you can get it.
Speaker 1:But then for redlight,myredlight.com. Also, for folks that if they need, to get a hold of us for any reason, we also have an email set up for people, help@maninamerica.com. Of course, you have your own email, phone number, etcetera, for folks to reach you, but also we're trying to kinda take some responsibility as well because I believe so much in what you're doing, and and I'm so excited about that. We've also got our own email set up, help@maninamerica.com. But again, my red light dot com, and that promo code Seth, s e t h, will get them a pretty big discount, you know, as well.
Speaker 1:So, Jonathan, any kind of closing thoughts as we round out today?
Speaker 2:Yeah. No. It's great, Seth. No. Thank you.
Speaker 2:I I no. I love it. It's been such a great discussion, and I'm I'm I just I'm really touched of the fact that you wanted to talk so much on the chlorine dioxide because, you know, it's it is part of my last mission just to just to do what I can to get that known to people because I've seen it save lives. And and at the end of the day, that's what it all comes down to. It's universally accessible, and I just don't want people to have any excuse or reason to not try something that could change their life forever.
Speaker 2:And I've seen too many people suffer and die from cancer over the years. And, you know, all the research and work even ten years ago working on the truth about cancer, I wish I knew about chlorine dioxide then. And, you know, I it the it's changing lives, guys, and it's just it's just making that choice. And so my biggest thing of I'm I'm a I'm I'm good at pushing people over the line and saying, do it. Like, just you know?
Speaker 2:And I've gotta be careful with that because of the disclaimer I gave. But if you have seen the education and you believe that this could help you, don't let anything stand in your way and don't let, like, just lethargy. It's like there's a good bible verse that says that the soul of the desires and has nothing, but the soul of the diligent will be made fat. That's in Proverbs. So you the soul of the desires, I want this.
Speaker 2:I want this. I want this healing. I want that, but has nothing. But the soul of the diligent will be made fat. It's the person that says, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna go just go buy that, you know, I'm gonna go buy that chlorine dioxide, and we're gonna just mix that. The the slug it says, oh, man. That was so complicated and gives an excuse, but it's a lack of self love that causes that. And then and then but this all of the diligence says, I'm gonna try it. I don't care if I fail.
Speaker 2:I'm just gonna try it. I'm just gonna do this. So, guys, that's the best thing I can say. And then when it comes to red light therapy, I think it could absolutely make a difference for you and change your life like it has with Seth and his family like it has for my family and the friends. And the the amazing clinical studies have cited, people in our community, the doctors.
Speaker 2:They're they're putting my my my, red light therapy devices, red light in cancer clinics now, major cancer clinics. And these people, like, lot of the big names that people know about, they're using our devices. And it it's a game changer. Whether it's, like, doctor Ed Group or doctor Brian Artis's team, they're all using the RedLife therapy devices. And and then you've got, yeah, doctor Lee Merritt.
Speaker 2:She loves it. Twenty four hours, she's texting me. It's like, I can't believe this has only been twenty four hours, and I can't explain to you how I'm feeling right now. And so these are all people that are friends of mine. I'm not lying.
Speaker 2:Right? This is true. They they're yeah. They're all in the public domain. And then people like Nino, David Nino Rodriguez, he's like, my eyesight has changed.
Speaker 2:I used to have to end my my sessions early because of back pain. I don't have that excuse anymore. So now I just gotta tell people I gotta go, not that my back is sore. And he's he he even admitted that he was taking, like, Viagra, the for the enhanced sexual performance and that he doesn't need that anymore because of the red light therapy. And and so it's just and then he's like, and my eyesight is is amazing, and I I'm feeling so much energy.
Speaker 2:I feel amazing. And he looks amazing. I'm like, man, you look younger. It's crazy. And so, anyway, that's the fun stuff, man.
Speaker 2:I just wanna see my friends get better. I just wanna, like, high five with people. And when I get together with people in in person just to see either people just feel better or or that they had a loved one that was chronic and critical and they were dying and that that that changed that turned their life around. That's what I live for, man.
Speaker 1:I just
Speaker 2:want that to happen for your community. Your community is my community where, so guys and get results. Tell us about it. We wanna share those stories. They they're the thing that motivate me.
Speaker 2:I'm, you know, I'm a humanitarian at heart, so people's transformations motivate me. Everything else is a bit boring. So, yeah, just motivate me, guys. And, yeah, again, myredlight.com and Seth is the code there. And, you know, bless yourself and bless your family.
Speaker 2:It's worth it, and you you'll you thank yourself for it.
Speaker 1:Well, Jonathan, it's it's been great. I love love speaking to you, I look forward to next time, and and thank you again for for doing what you're doing and for giving me your time. I just I I really enjoy these conversations. So take care, man, and and God bless. Numbers don't lie.
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