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Seth: Hey, Ally
Ally: Hey, Seth
Seth: So today we've got Mike Crowley from
the 6th District of Tennessee on the show.
Mm-hmm.
Very excited to have him.
Our second person from the
great state of Tennessee.
Ally: Yeah.
Seth: Right?
Ally: Yeah, it's great.
We had Victoria Broderick on here.
Um, what district is she in?
She's in-
Mike Croley: 4th
…
Ally: 4th?
Mm-hmm 4th District.
Mike's running in the 6th
District, so, uh, we love seeing
Tennessee represented here.
Hey, Mike, welcome to Left Out Loud.
Mike Croley: Hey, thanks,
Ally, thanks, Seth.
I, I appreciate the
offer to, to be on here.
It's, it's great to speak with you guys.
Ally: And we're so happy to have you.
Yeah.
Um, so let's just dive right in.
Why don't you talk about maybe some of the
challenges that you're seeing or feeling
in your district right now, you and,
and, you know, your fellow Tennesseans?
Mike Croley: Yeah.
Yeah, sure.
That's, um, that's kind of the catalyst
of, of why I'm running- Mm-hmm … is,
is because of what we're seeing here.
Um, my platform for, uh, my campaign
is affordability, accessibility,
and accountability, with
affordability being the number one.
That's right.
Um, and you know, I, I'm sure it's not
just, um, unique to Tennessee, but gas
prices, prescription drug prices, uh,
health insurance, cars, grocery stores.
I mean, we, we… Folks are
getting squeezed more than
we've ever been squeezed before.
Yeah.
And, um, a lot of folks that have had
that nest egg are having to use it now.
So, um, you know, it's, it's not… The
path forward is, is not as defined as,
as I wish it was, but you know, a, a big
concern that we're hearing around here
is a lack of opportunity, which- Mm-hmm
um, you know, it, which tracks.
And, uh, concern about data centers.
And, um- Yeah … you know, I'm sure
that's a big hot topic for everybody, but-
Seth: Mm-hmm
…
Mike Croley: we, um, it's not part of
the sixth district, but in Nashville
they are… I think they're pretty set
on putting a data center right back,
right across from the Nashville Zoo.
Um, and in fact, they have the
permits approved and everything.
What could go
Ally: wrong?
What could go wrong, Mike?
Mike Croley: Well, the, the other thing
is, in a meeting somewhere someone had
to say, "Hey, let's put it right by
the zoo," and someone agreed to that.
I mean- I
Seth: hope the animals revolt.
Mike Croley: Honestly.
I do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like, have you
never seen a scary movie?
I mean, this is how
Planet of the Apes starts.
Ally: Right.
Mike Croley: Like, don't put
a data center next to the zoo.
Come
Ally: on.
Gonna have a bunch of rogue zoo
animals that are- Yeah … God
knows what's gonna happen to them
from exposure to that data center.
That's right.
Oh, it's awful.
Mike Croley: Yeah.
And you know-
Seth: They drink the data center water.
Ally: Well, they will- And now- They
will lose their own water to the data
center … and now they're coming for us.
Seth: Exactly.
Ally: Ugh.
Mike Croley: They're hunting us.
And we, we, here in Tennessee we just
went through another mid-district,
mid-election redistricting.
Ally: Mm-hmm.
Mike Croley: Um, mid-decade, right?
Uh, we have a Republican super
majority, both the House and the Senate.
So they can pretty much-
Yeah … do whatever they want.
So it… And the scariest thing for me was
the, the quickness in which it happened.
So they had, uh, Cali versus
Louisiana, which effectively jutting,
gutted the Voting Rights Act.
Then President Trump called,
uh, Governor Bill Lee.
Marsha Blackburn tweeted to
Governor Bill Lee about, "Hey, we
need to redraw these districts."
And that was, like, on the Friday.
On Monday they were back in session
to redraw the congressional districts.
So, um, yeah, uh, uh, people have a
distrust of the government here, and
I think for, for the right reasons.
Ally: For good
Mike Croley: reason.
Ally: And- Yeah
…
Mike Croley: I wanna bring,
um, honor and decency and
respect back to the government.
And, you know, this, this current
administration seems to do everything
they can to take it the other way.
But, um, you know, the fact is
I'm not running against President
Trump, as much as I would love to.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
Mike Croley: So I'm not gonna
spend too much time focusing on him
and his, and his administration.
But the reason I'm running is because
I was a DOGEd federal employee.
I, um- Oh.
I worked for NOAA.
Yeah, the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration.
No
Seth: way.
Wow.
Mike Croley: And, uh, I was loving
life being a public servant.
I, uh, I helped manage a $575 million,
uh, grant program, the Climate
Resilience Regional Challenge.
And, uh, I was working remote,
just being a public servant,
being a federal employee.
And, uh, when Trump came in, right?
They, they came in… You all
remember this, the DOGE fiasco, right?
Seth: Yeah.
Of course.
Of
Mike Croley: course.
So I was on probation because I
hadn't been there for two years.
So, uh, if you were on probation,
you got cut no matter what.
Ally: Immediately gone.
Mike Croley: My supervisor actually got
promoted Which put him on probation.
That's the-
Ally: Right, because you're
starting a new role, yeah
…
Mike Croley: that's right.
They cut him.
Ally: Oh.
Mike Croley: He had just
been promoted, right?
Um-
Ally: Yeah, this had nothing to do with
job performance and, and, you know,
there's a lot of- Absolutely … a lot of
people that on the right will say, "Well,
you know, we had a lot of waste. We had
people that weren't doing their jobs."
Probation in the private sector
is typically when you are not
performing up to the- That's
right … standards of the role.
Probation in the federal government
is if you are new to a job or you're
new to a role, you're automatically
put into a probationary period.
Um, it's a wait and see.
And then- That's right
you know, when you meet all of
the standards of that position and
sort of prove yourself, then that
probationary period goes away.
Um, so, you know, I don't think people
understand- That's right … probation
doesn't mean the same thing in the
government, um, for a federal position
that it does in the private sector.
Mike Croley: That's right.
Yeah, and it, yeah, yeah,
thanks for that, Ally.
And in fact, not only did I not
do anything wrong, I had stellar
performance- Yeah … remarks.
And, um- So
Ally: many people did, Mike.
It's a travesty Yeah.
Mike Croley: It really is.
And, you know, I mean, a- as a
federal employee, we were underpaid-
Yeah … undervalued, right?
And, and we…
But I'm a public servant.
It's what I do best.
Right.
So- Right … um, yeah, before
that I was- I'm so sorry that
Ally: happened to you
…
Mike Croley: yeah.
Well, I tell you the good thing
that came out of it is I'm
running for Congress because-
Ally: Yeah
…
Mike Croley: if my representative had done
his job, I would still be working for the
federal government, and you all wouldn't
know my name, and that would be- Mm-hmm
just fine with me.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
Mike Croley: But, um, there's a
reason things happen and, I mean,
he, he literally didn't answer his
phone when I called his office.
Uh, he has three offices: one
in Gallatin, one in Cookville,
and one in Washington, DC.
And I called his offices every day.
You know, I have four kids,
a wife, two dogs, a house.
Yeah.
Like, I… This was my
career, so I was calling my
representative to save my career.
It's
Ally: devastating.
Mike Croley: And he didn't
call me back, not once.
Like, not, not once.
But-
Ally: Not shocking … you know- And,
and I'm sure that, that this is the
experience of a lot of people across the
country, and especially in a Republican
supermajority state like Tennessee.
That's right.
And they're… That's not the
only supermajority Republican
state in, in the country.
Um- Yeah, unfortunately … it
just, it just breaks my heart
to hear stories like this.
But, um, also, I mean, what an incredible
way to sort of- Use what happened to
you as a catalyst for helping other
people in the community- You know,
Mike Croley: yeah
and at the federal level.
Yeah.
And, and, and again, public
service is what I do best.
I, I, uh, joined the
Navy out of high school.
I served, um, for 10 years.
I was a Tennessee state park ranger.
Uh- Yeah … I worked in the
backcountry here in Tennessee.
Seth: Wow.
Mike Croley: And, uh, I worked as
a veterans service coordinator.
I helped veterans use their,
um, educational benefits.
Ally: Yep.
Mike Croley: So I mean, the, and the
reason I'm running for Congress is
because it's a public service position.
It should- Mm-hmm … it's not glamorous.
It shouldn't be glamorous.
Ally: Mm-hmm.
Mike Croley: We shouldn't be making
millions of dollars if you didn't have
billions of dollars coming in, right?
Ally: Exactly.
Mike Croley: So that, I mean, there's
a whole lot, we ta- we touched on it,
but there is wa- waste, fraud, and
abuse in the federal government, right?
Mm. I mean, there's waste,
fraud, and abuse everywhere, but-
Ally: Sure
…
Mike Croley: and, um, and you
know, it, it's, you can put your
head in the sand and say that it
doesn't exist, but that doesn't
change the fact that it does exist.
But, you know, if I had a splinter
in my finger, I could chop my
arm off and take care- Right.
… of that splinter, right?
Like- Right … and that's what DOGE did.
Ally: Yeah, exactly.
Mike Croley: They just came in,
literally he had a chainsaw.
Ally: Yep.
Mike Croley: And, um, a- again, you know,
I could save a lot of money this month
by not paying my electric bill, right?
But next month- You're not gonna
have electric … I'm gonna
have to pay my ele- r- exactly.
Yeah.
And I'm gonna have to pay it back.
Exactly.
And everyone that was
furloughed, that wasn't getting
paid, they all get back pay.
You know?
So not only are we losing out on all this
manpower, but because they don't know
how the government works, people are s-
are getting paid to do literally nothing.
And it's- Mm … it's insane.
But anyhow.
Seth: Yeah, that's crazy.
So I mean, that, that is, it, it's
very interesting though that you were
working for NOAA because, you know,
obviously we felt those, the, the
weight of those cuts, and we felt the
consequences almost immediately, right?
Uh- Yeah … the flooding in Texas, uh,
over 100 Americans dead as a result.
Um, and this is what happens
when you nickel and dime
the important things, right?
And so what I would like for you to
do is just to tell us, like, what
cuts to NOAA did to the state of
Tennessee and, and surrounding states.
What, what does that look like?
What are we missing out on
that NOAA was providing?
Mike Croley: Yeah.
There, so that's, that's a great question,
Seth, and I also did, uh, rotations
with the Department of State- Nice
and with USDA.
Most recently with USDA.
So, so I'll start there.
Um, you, uh, you might recall there were
some headlines about USDA was closing
food banks whenever Trump first came in.
And while that's technically
true, the USDA was forced to
close these food banks, right?
Like, that's literally the job
of the USDA is, is to provide
agriculture and, and food for folks.
So for them to close a food bank
just goes against the mission, goes
against everything they stand for.
So they were directed to close food banks.
Um, on the NOAA side, I was paid through
Inflation Reduction Act funds, which were
a Biden-Harris, um, funding initiative
And when Trump came in, that's the
first thing he started taking away.
Seth: Of course.
Mike Croley: And, you know, I was
paid through that, so that was my job.
But we were also paying out, uh, these
grants, this grant program that I'd
spent- Mm-hmm … two years working on.
They were play- they were paid
through Inflation Reduction Act funds.
So one of the first things I
did was make sure all those
funds were allocated, right?
Get them out of our account,
get them into their account.
But they've closed branches down.
They closed the USDA branch
that I was working at.
Um, the Department of State
program that I was working
under was emergency management.
We talked about hurricanes.
What we did was h- held coordination
calls with our different embassies
across the world, uh, to do hurricane
coordination calls, make sure they
had, uh, they were prepped, had
plans in place, contingencies.
That, that branch is gone now.
Mm. So, um, y- I'm sure you remember
Sharpiegate, right, during Trump's first
administration when there was a hurricane?
Seth: Yeah, yeah.
Mike Croley: And he was like, "Oh,
NOAA-" He changed the direction
Seth: of it.
Yeah.
Ally: Yes.
Mike Croley: And he
literally took a Sharpie.
So that would've been enough
for NOAA as an agency.
Like, he's a malignant narcissist, and
you just made him look bad on TV, right?
Ally: Mm-hmm.
Mike Croley: The thing about NOAA
is that we are housed under the
Department of Commerce, which no one…
I don't know why they were housed
under the Department of Commerce.
Mm. But Trump didn't know where to look.
Right?
So we… That's why we survived
his first administration.
The second administration- Oh, my
Ally: G- pause.
Mike Croley: Yeah.
Pause.
Yeah, yeah.
Ally: Pause.
So he would have probably cut the
program his first term- I'm j- … but
he didn't know where the s- the
funding source came from, where you
guys- Right … were actually housed.
And, and, and
Mike Croley: that's, that's my opinion.
Ally: Right, right, right.
Mike Croley: But-
Ally: It tracks,
Mike Croley: though, Mike
I mean, but yeah.
Ally: It tracks.
Mike Croley: But, yeah.
Wouldn't surprise
Ally: me.
Mike Croley: Right.
Yeah.
Um, and yeah.
So anyhow, it was a attack on our
federal workforce, and it was, it was
very surreal to be a federal employee
during the Trump administration change.
Um, you know, it wasn't just that, but
we had to every Monday provide five
things that we had done the past week.
Oh
Ally: my God, I heard about that.
Right?
That was real.
That was real.
So did you have to participate in that?
Mike Croley: I did, yeah.
Yep.
Um-
Ally: So childish.
I mean, talk about-
Mike Croley: So childish
…
Ally: micromanaging to the maximum.
Like-
Mike Croley: And I, I was, I was
giving it to my supervisor, who I
spoke with on a daily basis, right?
Right.
She knew exactly what
I was doing all week.
Yeah.
I mean, it was just-
Ally: And that's the thing … okay,
let me do this … like, you know,
people, when they work in these jobs,
whether it's federal government or
private sector, u- unlike Congress,
we have accountability, right?
That's exactly
Seth: right.
Ally: Typically you have
one-on-ones with your supervisor,
sometimes weekly, sometimes daily.
There's no, there's no miscommunication
or, or waste when it comes to
what people are actually doing
9:00 to 5:00, five days a week.
That's right.
But to have to come up
with a list is just… Ah.
It's, it just- Well- It's so insane.
And you know nobody's
looking at that list.
Mike Croley: No one is.
Ally: Who's gonna
Mike Croley: read that list?
Ally: No one is.
Mike Croley: Yeah.
No one is.
And my supervisor had to do it,
right up the chain to her supervisor-
Hmm … to her supervisor.
And it's like, and you know, not
my job specifically, but a bunch
of those were confidential, right?
Yeah.
Ally: Right.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Mike Croley: Just redacted, right?
I mean, there's- Exactly … these
are the five things I did.
Don't worry about it.
Ally: Right.
Right.
Mike Croley: Yeah.
Ally: Incredible.
Incredible.
Mike Croley: Yeah.
We also got that fork-in-the-road
email, uh, around the same time, and
it was the same email that he had
sent to the, uh, employees at Twitter.
But it essentially said, uh, there's
gonna be a lot of cuts, and, um, if you
want to go ahead and proactively resign-
Ally: Yes
Mike Croley: then we will
pay you until September-
Ally: Right
…
Mike Croley: your normal wage.
You'll get all your benefits, just you
won't have to come in, which is illegal.
I mean, you can't pay federal
employees not to work.
And-
Ally: Exactly
…
Mike Croley: and again, you know,
it's just the chaos of them not
knowing how government operates, and
just coming in with a sledgehammer.
Ally: Hmm.
Mike Croley: But- And, and
that seems to be Trump's MO.
Seth: Yeah.
I mean- Oh, 100% … it is because,
I mean, these guys are literally
like, I mean, you, you talked
about paying us not to work.
We are actively paying companies to not
fulfill their contracts with green energy.
We are telling- That's right … we
are giving away hundreds of millions
of dollars as we speak for wind
companies to shut off their turb- Hmm
to shut off their turbines.
Right.
Like, this is what we're doing.
We are spending money to not be woke.
Right.
Yeah.
Thank God we're just not woke now- Right
… because- Yeah … really, problems.
Mike Croley: Yeah.
Yeah.
Ally: Yes.
And, I
Mike Croley: mean-
Ally: Go ahead.
Sorry, Mike
Mike Croley: No, no, I, I, I
worked as a consultant for the
Tennessee Valley Authority.
Um, so I, uh, worked on their demand
management side, which, um, means
that I would go and show manufacturing
facilities in these large industrial
plants how to be more energy efficient.
So conservation is at my heart, and,
uh, and that stings- Mm-hmm … Seth.
I, I didn't know that, that
they were paying people-
Yeah … not to run their turbines.
I know they did that with,
uh, farmers around here.
They paid them not to use their
fields, uh- Mm … to, to drive
the price of stuff up, which is, is
just completely counterintuitive.
Ally: Insanity.
Mike Croley: Yeah.
Ally: Insanity.
Mike Croley: Yeah.
Ally: So we talk about… So we talked
about kind of like what the needs are
for people in Tennessee, which are very
similar to the needs of all Americans.
Sure.
We're all struggling under this economy.
Um, and, and sort of your background
and what drove you to run for Congress,
but talk to me about, um, sort of the
landscape of the race itself, right?
You mentioned earlier that, um,
you don't have an incumbent because
the person previously serving as
congressperson in your district is now
running for governor, so that role has
become vacant, or will become vacant.
Um, what, what's the race like?
How many people have you got in there?
What's the political makeup be- versus…
You know, Republican versus Democrat,
maybe Independent, maybe Libertarian,
and, and just how's it going so far?
Mike Croley: Yeah.
Yeah, sure.
So there- I, I launched my
campaign April 2025- Okay … right
as soon as I was let go.
And there were, um, two of us
Democratic candidates at that time-
Ally: Mm-hmm
…
Mike Croley: and, uh, two
Republican candidates.
And so, uh, when they redistrict
and re-gerrymandered in May, they
opened it back up so anyone that
wanted to run again could, which-
Ally: Okay
…
Mike Croley: you know, w- okay, fine.
The original filing date was
March of this year- Right,
right … but they, they reopened it.
And when that happens, uh, some people
just started coming out of the woodworks.
So there's, there's now
four Democratic candidates.
I, I'm sorry, there's five
Democratic candidates, but one of
them's not actively campaigning.
She-
Ally: Okay
…
Mike Croley: she pulled paperwork,
but she's not actively campaigning.
And then there's four GOP candidates.
Okay.
And, um, yeah, so- It's a pretty,
Ally: pretty crowded race.
Mike Croley: Yeah.
Yeah, it is.
Yeah.
And, um, you know, we have our primary
early August, so we'll have one Dem
and, and one, uh, Republican candidate.
And I, you know, I'm, I'm confident that
it's gonna be us, but- Mm-hmm … there
are five Democratic candidates.
Um, but we are at a Farm Bureau forum in
Ridley, Tennessee, which is, uh, it's,
you know, as rural as you'd wanna be.
Yeah.
We actually had it on a farm.
And, um, they asked us, there were eight
candidates, there were 16 questions
that we all randomly chose to write.
And I, I spent a lot of time
doing research and, and getting
my talking points in order.
The GOP candidates blamed illegal
immigrant, uh, Muslims, Iran, uh- … and
then, um, you know, they, they each said
President Trump's name maybe 10 times.
And we really- Sure … didn't
have that long to talk, maybe,
like, five minutes total, you know,
broken up And, uh, that told me
everything I needed to know, you know?
Yeah.
I mean, and again, people
are disenfranchised with
this current administration.
Um-
Ally: And I think people are sick of
hearing those talking points in terms of
that's what's responsible for our current
s- our current way of living, right?
Exactly.
Our current way of life.
Because you can't on one hand say,
"Look at all we've accomplished with
deportations and detentions," and
also, "The economy sucks because
of immigrants." Deportations.
Like, how, how can you- Right
… like, how do you make those two
things… They're just incongruent.
Um- That's right
and I think people are waking up
to the fact that all of the culture
war bullshit that Trump ran on and
continues to talk about is not making,
you know, a hill of bean of difference
in- Hmm … our everyday lives.
That's right.
And I'm sure you're seeing that with
the people you're talking to as well.
Mike Croley: Oh, yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
And y- you know, a- an analogy I sometimes
use is- The, the fans of Trump are kinda
like the guys at a strip club that think
that the stripper likes them, right?
And it's like-
Ally: Yes … y-
Mike Croley: you just
gave her 20 bucks, dude.
Uh-huh.
That's why she's talking to you, right?
I'm in love with the
Ally: stripper.
Mike Croley: He doesn't…
Exactly.
Yes.
Yes.
He doesn't care- Easy mark … about
you whatsoever, right?
Mm-hmm.
He… He'll tell you that he does, right?
And he'll, he'll say all the words you
need to hear, and I, I think that's
what made him so popular, right?
Um, as a, as a Democratic candidate,
I, I'm not thrilled with what our
f- party has done the last 10 years.
Me either.
And when Trump, when Trump first
appeared on the scene, instead of
realizing the impact that he would have
being the outside candidate, right?
We doubled down, and we were, um,
you know, almost pandering to people,
like, um- Mm … speaking down to them.
And, and that had such a
negative impact, right?
And, uh, I think we're seeing
that, um, uh, seeing the
repercussions of that right now.
Ally: Yep.
Mike Croley: Um, and when Trump
got elected the second time,
it, it really broke my heart.
I mean, it truly did.
I, I'd never felt more disconnected
from my country than I did right then.
Ally: Yeah.
Mike Croley: And, and, you know, I knew
that Project 2025 was out there, and
it called- Mm-hmm … for abolishing
the very agency that I work for.
Ally: Yeah.
Mike Croley: And, um, you know, we
talked about this earlier, but my dad
is… He's not as hardcore MAGA any
longer, but he's, he's on the MAGA train.
Ally: Still?
Mike Croley: Um,
Ally: still.
Still, Mike, with everything that you've
experienced, that's so heartbreaking.
Yeah.
And all of us have experiences with
family, friends, friends that- Sure
are, are still riding for MAGA.
Um, they might not wanna talk
about it as much as they used to.
That's right.
Or they're not as confidently talking
about it the way that they used to.
Um, but my God, when your
son is part of the fallout-
Mike Croley: Literally, yeah
…
Ally: of this administration, and that
doesn't break… You're in a cult.
Mike Croley: You're in a cult.
Sorry.
Exactly.
He, he did admit that Iran, he said
that was Trump's first mistake.
I mean, I'm not gonna argue- … the
number of mistakes he- We'll take
any mistake- He admitted he made
mistakes … you wanna count, Dad.
You know?
Exactly.
Ally: Yeah.
Mike Croley: Exactly.
But I, I, I think- The most dangerous
thing we have facing us as a
nation right now, and I, I, I don't
I'm not speaking hyperbole, is Fox News.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
Mike Croley: And I mean,
it is … I hear it.
My parents divorced when I was seven.
I've never heard them agree on
anything, but I'd hear the same
talking points from both of them.
Ally: Mm-hmm.
Mike Croley: And, uh, and lately
it's, uh, Democratic socialism
and how bad that is for everyone.
Um, you know, not to mention
Ally: that- There's such a
stigma around the word, right?
Mike Croley: That's exactly it.
Ally: But if people- It's panic … dig
in… It's panic, but if people dig into
what does that look like for your actual
life, your lives, you know- Absolutely
… your day-to-day life policy-wise-
Yeah … it, it's, it, it's common sense.
It's policies for the people.
Mike Croley: It's common sense.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
And I mean, we've tried capitalism, right?
Yeah.
And, and we have a trillionaire.
We have failed collectively.
Mm-hmm.
We have failed with capitalism.
And, you know, I'm a numbers guy.
I'm an engineer by trade.
Ally: Yeah.
Mike Croley: Uh, so just to give
you a reference, and, and this might
make sense or it might not, if,
if I asked you to go back in time
one million seconds ago, right?
Like, if I had a million
dollars, I'd be set, right?
Right.
So I'm, I'm trying to do the scale.
That would be, uh, like last Wednesday.
Mm-hmm.
Okay?
We'd go back in time.
If I asked you to go back in time
one billion, that's 35 years.
Ally: Yeah.
Mike Croley: Right?
So we're talking like this is
a million, this is a billion.
Ally: Yeah.
Mike Croley: Who knows what a trillion is.
I mean, I, I haven't even looked it up.
I'm
Ally: just, I mean- Oh, oh, it's…
I mean, it's, that's gonna be
difficult to even quantify, right?
It's-
Mike Croley: Exactly.
Exactly.
Ally: It's such
Mike Croley: a big-
Ally: And to get to the
point- … big number
…
Mike Croley: where you have a
billion dollars, you've had to step
on so many people's throats, right?
Mm-hmm.
And ignored so many people's needs.
You could have solved
world hunger- We just,
Ally: we just talked
about that last night.
Like, no one is becoming a
billionaire through ingenuity.
That's
Mike Croley: right.
Ally: That's right.
You, you were born- Very few … you
were born into wealth more than likely.
Right.
You were given every advantage
educationally, probably went to Ivy
Leagues, had a huge network just
kind of built in from all of those
experiences, and you exploited
a lot of people to get there.
Oh, yeah.
You had
Mike Croley: to.
And I
Ally: think
Mike Croley: what Trump got a million
dollar loan from his dad, right?
Like, I mean- Sure.
Seth: Oh, no, it was more than that.
Right, right.
It was like, it was like in
the hundreds of millions, which
would equate to a billion today.
Ally: Yeah.
Seth: Today, sure.
He was, he was, he was handed… He was a,
he was made a billionaire by his father.
Right.
Yeah.
This guy has ne- he's never
had to work for anything.
No.
And the, and the majority of these
people haven't had to work for anything.
Right.
And I think maybe people are
starting to figure that out.
I was talking to my dad today,
like he's got a trillion dollars.
Yeah.
It's, it's an unspendable amount of money.
No, it's crazy.
You could spend every day the rest of
your life buying crap, and you'd never
be able to spend a trillion dollars.
Yeah.
You'd never be able to do it.
So like, why in the world do we allow it?
It's crazy.
Yeah.
Um, but we're not- Yeah … like as far
out of the… We're not as far into the
woods, I would say, uh, economically.
Like we could, we could still conceivably
come back and, uh, uh, 'cause I wanna turn
the, the conversation to affordability
'cause it's one of your main tenets.
It's your, it's your number one tenet.
Yeah.
And, you know, within and on your website
really pi- what really piqued my interest
was, 'cause I'm a numbers guy, too, uh,
is the, uh, is a WNI wealth tax that could
result in upwards of $6 trillion just from
the wealth that we have just in America.
Like, people need to know, like
we have a $30 trillion GDP.
Mike Croley: Mm-hmm.
Seth: Right.
It's stupid.
Like, we are insanely productive,
and yet so many people are broke.
So many people are broke, and
it doesn't make any sense.
I, I want you to talk a little, a
little bit about that tax policy
and just a little bit more- Sure
about affordability because, like
we c- we could have these things.
The money is there.
Zoron is showing us, but I want
you to talk a little bit about it.
Mike Croley: Yeah.
No, thanks.
That, it's something I say
a lot is we have the money.
We don't have the values, right?
We- Mm-hmm.
Priorities … like you just said it.
I mean, we have- Yes, dude,
Seth: yes
Mike Croley: the money.
So, um, y- yeah, affordability,
like you said, it is my number one
tenet, and it's, uh, it's so much
more than just one thing, right?
I mean, it's grocery prices.
It's these tariffs.
It's- Trump treating the stock market
like it's his own piggy bank, right?
I mean, I-
Seth: Mm-hmm
…
Mike Croley: I, I've, I've
watched it happen real time.
Um, but you know, it's, it's other things
like prescription drug prices and, uh,
healthcare, you know, medical insurance.
When I was in the military, we
had universal basic healthcare.
Yeah.
That's not what we called it, right?
But I never paid for healthcare.
Right.
If I was sick, I went to the sick call.
If I needed a prescription,
I got a prescription.
I, I… To think about paying
for it seemed ridiculous.
So we do it for our military.
We, we have the foundation, we
have the structure already built.
And again, we have the money to do this.
We just don't have the priorities
or the values unfortunately.
Um, but yeah, when folks ask me
how I'm gonna make things more
affordable, my answer is pretty simple.
We're gonna tax the rich.
And I mean, I know that's,
a- again, common sense.
Why don't o- why doesn't everybody do it?
I don't know.
But what, what the rich are doing
is they're exploiting tax loopholes.
Mm-hmm.
So they, they'll borrow money
against themselves, right?
Or there, there's a phrase
unrealized gains, right?
They'll, um, they'll take out a, a
bunch of, of loans on collateral.
Mm-hmm.
And that doesn't technically
count as, um, income, right?
So they don't pay any taxes.
So there's a bunch of clever
loopholes that they use, and
we just close those loopholes.
Yeah.
It's, it's not that difficult.
Um, another is, uh, the ca-
the cap on Social Security.
Mm-hmm It, again, common sense.
Yeah.
That would solve the
Social Security issue.
I'm, I'm 47, so the reality of me getting
Social Security is next to nothing.
It's the reality of my 26-year-old son
being able to afford a single family home.
Ally: Mm-hmm.
Mike Croley: Right?
It's, it's, it's just not
in the cards right now.
Ally: Yeah.
Mike Croley: Um, and you
know, we are the most the…
And you said, Seth, that we're the
richest nation in the world, 2026.
And the fact that we have
homeless veterans, right?
Like- Exactly … I mean, a-
again, uh, we have the money,
we don't have the priorities.
Mm-hmm.
We don't have the values, unfortunately.
But yeah, I'm not gonna be very
popular in Congress with a bunch
of millionaires and billionaires-
because I'm gonna- I mean- … say
it like it is, right?
Like-
Ally: Yeah.
That, that… I, I would not
aspire to be popular with- That's
right … millionaires and billionaires.
You certainly wouldn't be here with
us if you were looking- That's right.
… to curry favor with the- That's right.
Yeah … top 1%.
Um-
Mike Croley: Yeah
…
Ally: so I think that's noble, honestly.
Yeah.
And we need more of that, and I think,
you know, we're at a time where we have
the establishment Democratic Party, and
then we have, you know, progressives
popping up kind of all over the country.
And, um, I hope that the party
starts to kind of reform itself from
within- That's right … and lean
into the values and, and the very
popular policies that- That's right
Democratic socialists are on board
with and making happen, New York
City being the prime example.
New York… People that live in
New York City are thrilled, and you
know, people are not moving away.
In fact, housing is bigger and better
than ever, and the most expensive housing
in New York City is going quicker, um,
in terms of resale, than it has before.
Mm. So, you know, all of the things
that they try to do to scare people into
simping for millionaires and billionaires
w- when, when it's enacted in a policy
form and you can see how it does
work, and it doesn't drive businesses
away, it doesn't drive people away,
Mike Croley: it-
Ally: That's right … they're
running out of excuses, right?
It's just-
Mike Croley: They, they are.
And the people the angriest about
New York don't live in New York.
Ally: Yeah,
Mike Croley: exactly.
Right?
They, they all live outside and they're
like, "Well, look at what he's doing."
And it's like, uh, yeah, look at
Ally: what he's doing.
Everybody loves him.
Why do you think
Mike Croley: they voted for
Ally: all the people- Right
that he endorsed in the primary?
Mike Croley: Exactly.
Exactly.
And no one voted for the
guys Trump endorsed, right?
No.
I mean, like read the room.
Read
Ally: the room.
Mike Croley: You know, Ali, like that's,
that's an excellent point because- The
fact that we have a two-party system,
I'm not a big fan of that, right?
But inherently with a two-party
system you have the Republican Party,
which is the party of the straight
white male and his family, right?
Mm-hmm.
And then the Democratic
Party is everybody else.
Ally: The big tent.
Mike Croley: It is.
Yeah.
It's, it's the melting pot that America,
um, you know, that we always tout.
Mm-hmm.
We are more representative than we are,
uh, you know, of America in the Democratic
Party than the Republican Party.
And, um, with that, if there's a group
that you don't necessarily align with,
say you're a racist or you just don't
like a certain group, chances are
they're in the Democratic Party, right?
Yeah.
Because we include so many people.
Ally: Exactly.
Mike Croley: So if you're a
Ally: white man- And inclusivity
is- … and you're bigoted … uh,
is not a bad word either.
Like- No,
Mike Croley: no,
Ally: no.
Yeah … you know what I mean?
Like, I don't know how we got to
this place where being inclusive
and accepting and, and honestly
live and let live, that's kind
of a, a Democratic Party tenet.
Yeah.
Um, I don't, I, we've just, we've just
gotten so far away from the ability to see
eye to eye on, you know, Republicans have
historically been for small government.
They've never been bigger.
They've never been bigger.
And the culture wars-
That's what they say, right?
… are turning into policies, and
there is no live and let live.
The gov- Mm … they want
government inserted into every
single part of our lives now.
Um, they have gone so far away
from the foundational principles-
That's right … of that party.
Mike Croley: That's right.
Like, like the SAVE Act, right?
Like voter infringement, right?
Yeah.
I mean, they, they- Every, uh, policy
they implement, it's, it's hurting us.
It's hurting us.
And to, to not see that, um, you
know, you're turning a blind eye.
And you're right, I mean, the
Republican Party as, or is the
party of small government, right?
Mm-hmm.
And, and they have abandoned that.
Um, I wish we could get, get back
to Lincoln Republicans, right?
I mean, they-
Ally: Yeah
…
Mike Croley: you know, uh, I mean, if,
if I like the New York Yankees and you
like the Red Sox, right, we might not
agree on that, but we both like baseball.
Ally: Yeah.
Mike Croley: Right?
Ally: Yeah.
Mike Croley: And, and that's how it's
been with politics my entire life.
Right.
Except for now, it's like, well,
I'm definitely not a Nazi, right?
Right.
So like, I mean, and there's
Nazis on your team, dude.
I don't think we can agree to
Ally: disagree on that.
Right.
That's right.
You know what I mean?
Right.
Mike Croley: Exactly.
It's like,
Ally: okay.
Like, if you wanna be a Nazi, I, we
just, we have nothing to talk about.
Like, that's the end-
Blocked … of the conversation.
You're
Seth: blocked.
Mike Croley: Exactly.
You're blocked immediately.
Yeah.
I, I'm not gonna give it any energy.
I mean, and the, you know, the…
I was at, uh, a Jewish League this
afternoon, uh, for a forum, and they
asked about the rise in antisemitism.
Mm-hmm.
And I said, "You know, we are…
We've literally fought wars over
this. We are going backwards
as a civilization." Mm-hmm.
"We are proactively giving up
rights, giving up freedoms that we
might not ever get back." I mean-
Ally: Yeah
…
Mike Croley: no one relinquishes
power once they have it, right?
I mean-
Ally: No.
That's not how that works.
Mike Croley: Exactly.
Um- Exactly
…
Ally: I wanna give Seth a
final, final question today.
Sure.
But before we do that,
um, when's your primary?
Mike Croley: August 6th is,
uh, is- Okay … election day.
Yeah.
Ally: Okay, so it's
Mike Croley: coming up.
And ear- early voting starts
July 17th, so less than a month.
Oh,
Ally: wow.
Okay.
Mike Croley: Yeah.
Ally: Okay.
And you've got four, four
other Democrats or three?
Mike Croley: There'll be four other Dems.
I'll be the second one on the ballot.
Yeah.
Ally: Okay, okay.
So, um, how do people find you?
You have a website.
Are you- I do … you're
active on socials?
I'm very active on socials.
So just talk real quickly about how
people can find you and what you need.
Mike Croley: Yeah, yeah, sure.
Thank you.
Um, Croley for Congress.
Uh, my last name is C-R-O-L-E-Y.
There's no W in it.
I'm saving the W for November.
Um, but- I
Ally: love it.
Mike Croley: Well done.
Yeah.
Well done.
Well done.
Um, I, I am on every social media
platform except for Shitter, because
again, there's Nazis there, and
I'm, I'm not going to a Nazi party.
So, um- Nope, we're
Ally: not on there either.
Mike Croley: Yeah.
Uh, but I, I'm even on Blue
Sky 'cause- Mm-hmm … why not?
But, uh, TikTok, again, I'm
47, I never imagined I'd be
on TikTok, but here we are.
Seth: Yeah.
Here we
Mike Croley: are.
Uh, Facebook, Instagram,
all, all of the favorites.
Ally: Mm-hmm.
Mike Croley: Uh, and you know,
quite honestly, I need donations.
I mean- Yeah … everyone does,
but our, our last day is June
30th, in two days, uh, to ra- to
really raise funds before we…
Not our last day, but the, the
deadline is June 30th for this next,
um, release of information, right?
So-
Ally: Mm-hmm,
Mike Croley: the FEC … we have up until
June 30th, that's right- Yep … to, to
raise money, and then on, uh, July 15th,
two days before early, early voting, is
when they're gonna release our numbers.
Ally: Okay.
Mike Croley: So, um, and you know,
and I don't necessarily agree with
it, I don't like it, but the amount
of money a candidate raises is a
direct reflection of their viability
of the candidate for some reason.
100%.
Ally: So, yeah.
Mike Croley: Unfortunately.
It's, and I mean- I don't like it
either … that's just how it is.
But, so, uh, yeah, if folks wanna
donate, support a grassroots
campaign, that would be fantastic.
Ally: Yeah,
Mike Croley: yeah.
Uh, and if you can't afford to
donate, just please spread the word.
Ally: Perfect.
Seth: Cool.
All right.
Well, uh, another part of your,
of your AAA, uh, policy, uh, that
you have on your website, the,
the last one is accountability.
And so- Mm-hmm … uh, to, to kind of
round out this interview, I'd like for
you to just talk about, like, what…
We talked about priorities, right?
Like, what do you wanna prioritize in
terms of how you wanna keep, uh, this
administration accountable, how you wanna
keep the other party accountable, how you
wanna keep centrist Democrats accountable?
What, what are the things that you
wanna prioritize, uh, if you win
in November and, and get to work?
Mike Croley: Yeah.
Perfect.
Yeah, and, uh, the, the accountability
part was the one I struggled with
the most because I know, like,
inherently what I mean by it,
but it's hard to qualify, right?
Seth: Mm-hmm.
Mike Croley: So- Yeah … a, a couple
things I mean by it is let's ban
congressional stock trading, right?
Mm-hmm.
That's accountability.
That's easy accountability.
Uh, I would also love to o-
overturn Citizens United.
Um-
Seth: Hell yeah
…
Mike Croley: and, you know, it's just
campaign finance reform in, in general.
Uh, so, so that's accountability,
like, that, you know, I
can introduce legislation.
I also will have subpoena
power as a congressman, right?
So there's accountability with all this
circus that we're watching right now.
Pete Hegseth, uh, has
murdered people in Venezuela.
Mm-hmm.
We've all watched it.
And, um, I cannot ho- wait to
hold him accountable for that.
Um, and then finally, you know, this
whole administration I'm gonna hold
accountable, not just Pete Hegseth.
But, uh, accountability, um,
holding me accountable, right?
Uh, again, I, I wanna be a public servant.
There's not ego in this for me.
If, if there's a way I'm doing
this that would work better
for folks, please let me know.
Or if I'm not holding enough
town halls, please let me know.
I, I have held a town hall
every month since I've started-
um- Wonderful … either
virtually or in person because our
representative has never held one.
And, uh, again- Not
Ally: shocking.
Mike Croley: Again, yeah, it's,
it's unfortunate, but it's true.
Um, the man's job is literally our
representative in Washington, DC.
He works for us.
Ally: Yeah.
Mike Croley: The fact that he didn't
refer- return my phone call or he's
never held a town hall, tell me
another job that you have where you
just don't do your job and still get-
Ally: Literally, you can't
paid the same, like You're done.
Mike Croley: Right?
I mean-
Ally: You're done
…
Mike Croley: that's it.
That's it.
Yeah.
Ally: If you don't show
up for work- You know?
And, and your work is not just
going to DC when you're in session.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
For sure.
Because that, that, that's a, that's
not a, a huge chunk of your time.
Mike Croley: I feel like
that's the easy part, right?
That is the easy part.
Like, you, that's the part
you're e- all the groundwork
you did leads up to that, right?
Like, all the hard work
is, is outside of session.
Ally: Mm-hmm.
Mike Croley: Um, and you know,
it, it… And finally, Seth,
accountability of I wanna make
the government respectful again.
I, I, you know what I mean?
I'm like worthy of respect.
Mm-hmm.
And when, when I was in the military,
I had an officer that as a human,
as a person, I, I just couldn't
stand this person, but my commanding
officer said, "You respect the
uniform, not the man," right?
And he was a senior official to me so, you
know, I, I, I respected his uniform And,
um, you know, I carry that, and I've never
had to imply it to the office of the,
excuse me, of the president until now.
Ally: Yeah.
Seth: Yeah.
Mike Croley: You know, I mean, I respect
the office of the commander-in-chief.
I respect the office of, of the
President of the United States.
I do not respect Donald Trump as a person.
Ally: Yeah.
Mike Croley: And every day he's in
office it belittles us and makes us
less safe on the global scene, uh, and,
uh, directly impacts our economy, and-
Ally: Our quality
Mike Croley: of life
I'm hoping, I'm hoping people
are gonna realize that soon.
Ally: Yeah.
Mike Croley: But I've been hoping
that for, since 2016, so I'm
Ally: not holding my breath.
Well, you're doing, you're doing
more than hope, Mike, 'cause you've
thrown your hat in the ring, right?
That's right.
You're running for Congress.
Um, it's a huge sacrifice.
We know.
We talk to candidates all the time,
especially as a grassroots candidate.
It, you know, you don't have huge budgets
to campaign with, so it's your time,
it's your effort, it's your presence.
Um, and it's a big sacrifice
and you've got, like you said,
you're married, you got four kids.
This is a time-consuming activity, so-
Mike Croley: It is
Ally: I love to see anyone that takes
that hope and turns that into action
and, um, we're just so thrilled we
got the chance to talk to you today.
Seth: Yeah, man.
Mike Croley: Likewise.
Seth: Yeah.
And so we, we do have a little
accountability exercise that we
like to do at the end of our shows.
Oh, yeah.
Uh, we have a, we have a little scale.
Uh, we have, uh, Chuck Schumer on one
end and, uh, Bernie Sanders on the
other 'cause the, the, the Democratic
Party is, uh, quite the spectrum, right?
Ally: It really is.
Yeah.
Seth: Yeah.
So, uh, so but it's getting,
it's getting a little bit better,
but it's quite the spectrum.
So, uh, what we like to do always,
uh, when we bring people on is, uh,
just to make sure that, you know,
you're a grassroots candidate.
You're not taking big PAC money.
You're not taking, you know, big
corporation money, AIPAC- Nope … so on
and so forth, and that, you know, that you
commit to p- to the progressive ideals.
Mike Croley: Absolutely.
Yeah.
No, no corporate PAC, no AIPAC, no
special, special interest money.
Uh, and on that scale, Seth,
I would probably be sitting
in Bernie Sanders' lap.
That's how far- … that's
how I'm feeling.
Well,
Seth: it, that's perfect.
Mike Croley: Yeah.
So- I, I did one of the, um,
political compasses, right?
And yeah, I mean, mine was
almost on top of Bernie.
I was like, oh- Yeah … awesome.
Awesome.
Yeah.
So-
Ally: Nothing wrong with that
…
Mike Croley: that, that's me.
Ally: That's the future.
Right.
Seth: Yeah.
No, that's where you need to be.
That's the future.
So, so we slide Mike on over to-
Ally: Mm-hmm
…
Seth: our guy Bernie Sanders and,
and yeah, man, it just again, again,
thank you so much for coming by.
Yeah.
My pleasure.
Uh, you know, you guys take your time
and, you know, it, it's, it… and it's
not easy to be a Democrat in the South.
No.
It's not.
No.
And people need to understand
that, and I understand it c- I
understand that coming from Alabama.
Um, and so it takes guts to
really stand up there even when
you've been gerrymandered shit.
Mike Croley: Mm.
Seth: I mean, my God- Yeah … they,
they cut… They put Memphis in the
same district as Jackson, Tennessee.
I used to live in Jackson, Tennessee.
Mike Croley: Yeah.
Seth: There's nothing that Jackson,
Tennessee has in common with Memphis.
No.
This is, it's unconscionable.
Mike Croley: They, they have
Memphis and Chattanooga in the
same congressional district too.
Like-
Ally: Wild
…
Mike Croley: yeah.
And J- and Jackson is in the 6th district,
so, so yeah, I, I know Jackson very well.
Seth: Yeah.
Yeah.
Crazy, man.
But yeah, again-
Mike Croley: So
Ally: Mike, you're, you're a- So much
… you're a real, yeah, you're a real one.
Um, this was so much fun.
We're wishing you obviously
all the luck in the world.
You're a friend of the show for life
now, so- Awesome … you know, if you
need anything, if you wanna come back on
after that primary and continue to push,
'cause we're gonna, we're gonna speak
into existence- That's right … you
know, we're gonna win that primary.
Um, and- That's right … hopefully
you'll come back and we'll keep
pushing the message for you.
Hell yeah.
August 7th I'll be back.
Yeah.
Love it.
Love that.
Let's, let's put
Seth: the W in Crowley.
Ally: For sure.
Mike Croley: That's
Ally: it.
That's right.
There you go.
Let's put the W
Mike Croley: in Crowley.
Awesome.
Ally: Thank you all so much.
Oh, thanks so much, Mike.
It's,
Mike Croley: it's been a
Ally: pleasure.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Seth: Appreciate you.
Well, Ali, that was a, a lot of
fun talking with Mike Crowley.
And, uh- It sure was … I mean,
that dude, I mean, uh, a family guy,
got multiple pets, you know, was
a victim of the Trump DOGE cuts.
And, but- Awful … I mean, this
man has flipped it into a run,
uh, for congressional seat in that
6th di- district of Tennessee.
Yeah.
And I mean, the people of Tennessee
got really lucky- They really did
ironically, that he got fired
because this is a guy that knows
what he's talking about, he's from
the area, he really cares, and
he's been running for over a year.
So- Yeah … he's, he is,
he's deeply entrenched.
I love his chances.
And you know, I mean, he's running
against a guy who has not done
anything for that district.
Ally: Right.
And that guy actually isn't running this
time around, so he's running for governor.
He's, he's… He thinks he
deserves a promotion apparently.
Hasn't held town halls the
entire time he's held the office.
Um, doesn't return phone calls
of his constituents that get
fired from their federal jobs.
But, but you know, let me, let
me get promoted to governor now.
This is, this is ridiculous.
It's wild.
Um, I'm just glad he's out of the way
and it opens up the door for people like
Mike to come in to this race and, and
make the kind of changes that, you know,
the people of Tennessee need and deserve.
I just think he's fantastic.
He's been through a lot.
I, I mean, it just breaks my heart
to hear how he lost his job, um- Yeah
as part of the DOGE cuts, being
a father of four, a married man.
It's such a… It, it's just a horrible-
thing that didn't have to happen
that's happened to so many Americans
as a result of this administration.
And the fact that he took all that and
turned it into a run for Congress, I
mean, what's better than that, you know?
Seth: Yeah.
Yeah, and he's got, and
he's got great priorities.
He's got them in order.
Mm-hmm.
You know, he's talking about
affordability, talking about
holding everybody accountable.
Ally: Yeah.
Seth: Uh, he went over
several major bullet points.
Um, and this is the kind of guy that
people in Tennessee need, you know?
It- it- Yeah, and deserve
Mike Croley: he- And
Seth: deserve … yeah,
he's a familiar face.
He- Yeah … I mean, who, who's
more family values than this guy?
Mike Croley: Yeah.
Seth: Okay?
Like, and, you know, he's still doing
his thing, providing for his family.
Mm-hmm.
And now he wants to extend that, you
know, a- and he's been a lifetime
public serv- servant as well.
Yeah.
A veteran.
Yeah.
Held multiple different, uh,
public offices working in the,
working within the government.
Mm-hmm.
Um, so he, he knows so many- He
knows … of the inner workings.
He knows.
This is not a guy who would
just hit… You know, he could
actually hit the ground running.
Yeah.
This is not a guy who's gonna
have to learn on the job.
So people in Tennessee, people outside
of Tennessee, all my people, tell your
folks in Tennessee about Mike because,
you know, in th- in this moment where,
you know, he doesn't have to run
against the incumbent, where he is
an established face alongside these
Republicans, it's a really good shot.
And again- Mm-hmm
our message, the Democratic
Socialist message, the progressive
message, is moving in the South.
Ally: Yeah.
Seth: And so if this i-
if- if not now, then when?
Ally: If not now, then when?
And you guys are official members
of the White T-Shirt Club.
Um, love that.
Seth: Yeah, we're
Ally: about,
Seth: we're about to go, like,
sing some- … uh, s- show tunes.
Either that or we're gonna
hit the Jersey Shore together.
Ally: Hilarious.
Um, all right.
Well, we've got another interview
coming up in a couple of days.
Booked a couple of more I haven't even
had a chance to catch up with you on yet.
So, um- Okay … we're moving right along.
It is primary season.
We're gonna keep going and, um, I guess
I will see you, Seth, in three days.
Seth: Let's go.
Ally: All right.