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In Ecclesiastes 3:11, we read that God makes everything beautiful in its time. It is comforting to know that nothing is wasted in God's economy, but all of it will be used for our good and His glory. You're invited to join us for poignant conversations and compelling interviews centered on believing for His beauty in every season.
Shannon (00:48)
Well, hey girls, we're back. How we doing? I got to tell you girls, I'm not even in my podcast studio. I was so tired today that all I could do was put on some tinted lip balm and a Braves hat and sit in my same chair in the living room that I always sit in and I have my little
Maggie (00:50)
Hi, we are.
Ali (00:51)
Peace.
Shannon (01:12)
divider behind me in case anybody needs to go to the kitchen. That's where we're at. That's where we're at girls. I am so I'm on the struggle bus. I'm on the struggle bus.
Ali (01:17)
I love it, I love it.
Maggie (01:18)
Well...
May I say, just, may I just interject, I don't think it matters that you're only wearing tinted lip balm and you didn't do like a full beat for your podcast. Like, I don't think anybody cares. Go Braves. I think that's the thing to take away from this.
Shannon (01:34)
Wait,
what is a full beat? As in B-E-A-T, what is that?
Maggie (01:44)
well, yes
Ali (01:45)
It's like
a full face of makeup. It's what the kids call a full face of makeup.
Shannon (01:51)
A full beat?
Maggie (01:53)
Well, cause you like, you like beat your face.
Ali (01:55)
Cause you like
Shannon (01:58)
Okay, you've just said that,
you've just said that to, first of all, a musician. And a beat is like a beat in music. That doesn't, my goodness. I can't keep up with the kids. Please note though, please note though that though I am sitting in my chair in the living room, literally I have not moved from where I landed this afternoon, your dad could not let this podcast happen without the good microphone. He wasn't okay with just the, with just the air pod.
Maggie (02:04)
you
That's okay.
Shannon (02:27)
He needed the good microphone. So that's where we are.
Ali (02:30)
Well, of course.
Maggie (02:30)
And that
is Jeffrey B. Scott to a T, may I say. Like that is just classic him. He's gonna provide, he's gonna provide.
Shannon (02:33)
It is. It is.
Ali (02:38)
Any will, any will.
Shannon (02:38)
Yep.
All right. So you girls are in charge. What are we doing?
Ali (02:43)
All right, so.
Maggie (02:43)
Well, we have,
⁓ we have another special guest episode, which I'm personally very excited for. These are so fun to sit down and plan and go through and try and pick who's next. And I've been so excited about this one. So sorry to jump the gun, Allie, but I was I was ready. I was ready.
Ali (02:46)
Go ahead.
Shannon (02:49)
A special surprise guest. Okay.
Okay.
Are you excited, Allie? Are you as excited as your sister?
Ali (03:11)
I quite excited. think this is going to be very fun guest. think you're going to love who it is. Yeah, I'm super excited.
Shannon (03:19)
Do you need to do some sort of like bio? Like am I gonna be able to guess or do you just want this person to appear?
Ali (03:29)
I we can.
Maggie (03:29)
I really
liked- I really liked when we-
Shannon (03:34)
⁓ my goodness.
Maggie (03:36)
Ali and I are too excited. We're too excited. We keep one-upping each other. I really liked seeing your face when they just popped up. That was, if you are an audio only listener, I would really implore you to go watch the first reveal because mom's face is priceless. So I was really loving that. And I think we should just keep that up.
Shannon (03:39)
Clearly.
Okay.
Ali (03:56)
It's so good.
Shannon (03:56)
That was our sweet Casey
was our first surprise guest, our sweet Casey. Just taking a sip of my ⁓ Grande vanilla cream cold brew that your dad brought me because that's how tired I was.
Ali (04:10)
So sweet, so sweet.
Maggie (04:11)
You had
to caffeinate. It's okay. I had a Red Bull before this. No worries. We're all in the same boat. It's all good.
Shannon (04:16)
Okay,
all right, so we're just doing the pop-in.
Maggie (04:19)
I think we should!
Ali (04:19)
Yes,
I think it's super fun.
Shannon (04:21)
Okay.
Okay. I'm ready.
Maggie (04:23)
You ready?
Ali (04:27)
YAY!
Jordan (04:28)
Hello friend!
Shannon (04:30)
⁓
yes, stop it right now Jordan Hester. I'm so excited about this. Yes, this is good. ⁓ yes, confetti. Yeah, definitely audio only listeners. You're gonna wanna go to YouTube and grab this episode because you're gonna wanna see our bestie Jordan. ⁓ This is so fun. Thank you for being on the podcast, Jordan.
Ali (04:37)
Yay!
Jordan (04:37)
Listen,
we're We're ready.
Maggie (04:41)
Yay!
Shannon (04:58)
So we met Jordan through our mutual friend, Macy, who we love and adore. I was at an event with Macy and she said, you need to meet my friend Jordan. And we all went to lunch together and ended up spending an afternoon together. And my goodness, talk about kindred spirits quickly. I knew why Macy loved you and why she knew I would love you and.
You have become such a stalwart in our family. Like it's like we do things and there are people that we know we're going to be there. Macy's one, Casey's one, Jordan's one. And so ⁓ thank you so much for the way that you have just grafted right into the Scott family.
Jordan (05:41)
Man, it is my pleasure. Trust me, I love each and every one of you and I feel like I finally, finally met the rest of the family this year, so it's complete, right?
Shannon (05:51)
All right, girls. Mm-hmm.
Maggie (05:50)
You've assembled all five.
So Jordan, tell us, I mean, obviously we know, but tell everyone else a little bit about who you are, a little bit about what you do. Just give your bio, your get to know me, just so that all the listeners know why we love you so much and what's going on in your life.
Jordan (06:08)
Fair enough. I think my bio on Instagram is intentional celebrator confetti carrier, right? But a little more through that. I am currently a professional home organizer ⁓ in the lovely South Florida area. And so I've been doing that for over a year now. And man, it's been so fun just getting to help people, bring in some hospitality and learn a whole
Shannon (06:16)
Mm-hmm.
Jordan (06:36)
of stories along the way.
Shannon (06:38)
So tell us what does professional home organizing entail? Like for somebody who's like, wait, you'll organize my sock drawer or like what does that look like?
Jordan (06:48)
What doesn't it entail is the better question. ⁓ It can be, again, sock drawers to pantries to garages. We do a lot of real estate ⁓ staging as well, you know, so just getting to help people get things ready and presentable. We do a lot of what we would call organized ⁓ moves. So unpacking and packing. I'm down near Sarasota. So there is a high, high level of people moving in and out and.
retiring and so there's always people that just need a little more help with what they're doing. You know, I think it's one of those avenues where you can just get overwhelmed. I think everybody has been in some state of moving, right? And sometimes you just need somebody to come alongside you and go, hey, just make decisions for me.
Shannon (07:36)
So if somebody is overwhelmed in a move and they're just looking at all of their stuff, how do you balance? Like I would be going, well, let's just get rid of things. But a lot of times people are attached to their stuff, you know? So how do you balance? Because this
Definitely speaks to a lot of who you are, which is that you are a celebrator of people. You're an encourager of people. You make people feel safe. How do you help people walk through getting rid of things or what to keep or what to throw away? Like what is that process like? Because it isn't just as easy as well throw it away if you haven't used it.
Maggie (08:19)
haha
Jordan (08:21)
Right. I wish. I wish it was. Trust me. I think the biggest thing is asking more questions. You know this better than most. That's something I I strive to do in anything. So now that I get paid to ask questions, it's the best. And so really, it's it's trying to slow down and think of the other person more. Right. You know, people are inviting us into their homes, into their lives, maybe less than ⁓ presentable areas of their homes.
And so there is a lot of guilt and shame that can be associated with this process. ⁓ And so I always like to tell people, trust me, we've seen it all. ⁓ To try to disarm that, you know, because again, we are, helping them make these decisions of, you know, I may be downsizing from a really big house to a studio apartment. What do I do? Or we've had clients whose spouses have just passed. And so they're...
trying to just juggle everything and learning everything on top of having to move and like their one safe space is kind of being stripped away from them. ⁓ And so it's a lot of grace and a lot of patience and just trying to soften that load the best that we can.
Maggie (09:32)
That is so cool. my gosh, that's like the perfect job for you. It's crazy.
Shannon (09:37)
You
Ali (09:37)
Literally,
literally.
Jordan (09:39)
It's It's.
Maggie (09:40)
How did that start? I
wouldn't even know to look up. How to become a professional home organizer? How did you get that ball rolling?
He said, there's a story here.
Jordan (09:56)
I credit my mom for
this, to be very honest. I'm like, here's a story. I was just asked the other day, they're like, so what makes you qualified to be a professional organizer? And I was like, well, here's her name. ⁓ So it's really something that has just been a passion of mine is to help create systems and just presentation is huge. You know, my heart is hospitality and creating spaces that just bring myself peace. You know, I was constantly rearranging my room.
Ali (09:58)
Mm-hmm
Shannon (10:10)
You
Jordan (10:26)
as a kid, much to my parents, you know, disdain, but just trying to find the best flow, right? And so small, small things. I made the move to Florida almost two years ago and I did it as I like to call it, underemployed. You know, I didn't really move with a plan, but I was like, you know, I'm gifted at this, this and this. So these are three areas I want to consider.
Ali (10:30)
you
Jordan (10:53)
And blazing a trail or three trails at that case just wasn't really wasn't really it for me And I was like, you know, there's people that are moving here. There's people with a lot of money here There's a lot of need surely somebody is doing this I reached out looked at a few different ones felt led to this specific one that I work with ⁓ Applied and within like a day or two. I was being interviewed and so Yeah, that's that's the quick story of it
Shannon (11:24)
Can people hire you no matter where they live or are you just local to Sarasota?
Jordan (11:31)
So we're local to Sarasota, ⁓ but personally, you know, I've had a few conversations in Georgia with family that's like, hey, we're really ready to fly you back. I have some other friends in other states as well that are wanting to, so I'm open, I'm contract, why not?
Shannon (11:49)
Yeah, please. Yes, please note
Maggie (11:49)
He said, me personally, I'll fly anywhere.
Shannon (11:53)
that I asked that question with significant intent. So I'd love for you to tell us you and I have several things you and I have several things in common. One of those things that I'd love to talk about first is that we have both spent a lot of time on a church staff. And so talk to us about.
Jordan (11:54)
Right.
my gosh.
Shannon (12:16)
what your role on a church staff was and what your experience of being on staff at a local church was, maybe the great parts and the hard parts.
Jordan (12:26)
gonna say you gotta give me some parameters here. ⁓ Wow, okay. the backstory graduated college with a degree in public relations thought I was gonna go work at nonprofits blaze trails for companies like Tom's love them. And then shortly after graduating moved back home and quickly felt, you know, there was more kind of went ⁓ to look at several different churches in the area.
Ali (12:28)
You
Jordan (12:55)
fell in love with one, got involved with the youth ministry, and by youth I mean young adults, and quickly just kind of felt like the Lord was doing this for me, you know? And didn't know what that looked like, but now looking back, that was kind of my call to ministry, right? To full-time, ⁓ within the walls ministry, as I call it. And so, to start with, I was hired as a communications director.
Maggie (13:00)
Right, of course.
Jordan (13:21)
And so they kind of created this position that took my degree and just my desire. And I was like, man, I have made it at the age of 23. Like this is it, right? ⁓ Two and a half years. It was really rough. Just the learning curve and just different personalities, expectations. ⁓ Empathy is a very big gift to carry, especially in a
Shannon (13:38)
You
Jordan (13:50)
a large church staff, right? ⁓ And so the entire duration went from like communications director to Atlanta campus coordinator, connections director, guest services. And then I bookended as the director of communications over all four of our locations. So that was kind of my, okay, we're done with this. You've been released.
Ali (14:11)
Wow.
Maggie (14:15)
You've been released. That is wild. That's a wild like trajectory. my gosh. How?
Shannon (14:16)
Yeah.
Ali (14:17)
Hahaha
Shannon (14:24)
Well, and
that's how it tends to go is like you start as one thing and then you travel through all the different and in the positive aspect of it, you're able to meet a lot of different needs along the way and you that's one of the ways, especially when you're young, that you find really your passion and kind of what God's made you for specifically. ⁓
Maggie (14:29)
ever.
Shannon (14:49)
But also, that's also one of the drawbacks sometimes of full-time ministry is it's like, you are all things to all people and you get to do everything as well.
But it does not surprise me at all that you were a communications and hospitality person.
Jordan (15:07)
Yeah, you know, it works. And I think to even what you were saying, I started out in communications, you know, and then there was kind of a rocky twist of events, if you will. And I was kind of sent to our church merge. And that kind of felt like my desert season. You know, I was like, what do you mean? You've stripped me of this title. You've stripped me of this responsibility and this beautiful gift of me making it, you know? And you're kind of sending me to this.
less than ideal situation, which turned out to be, gosh, my favorite season, the best people, ⁓ the biggest challenges, but also the biggest rewards, so.
Shannon (15:46)
Wow.
Maggie (15:47)
Isn't it funny how that works? You're like, what the heck? And then you're like, wait, this is actually amazing.
Jordan (15:52)
Yeah
Maggie (15:55)
I think that's so funny. Well, yeah, yeah. And that's okay. That all comes with time. It's fine. It's fine. You said you felt like that was your desert season. ⁓ If you guys have ever listened to Ms. Shannon Scott speak anywhere, she loves the seasons analogy. ⁓ And I think it works so well. I think it's so practical and so easily applicable.
Jordan (15:56)
Yeah, we're still learning that. We're still learning that.
Maggie (16:25)
to so many people, ⁓ how do you get through a desert season? Like what's top three, I have to ensure that I do this, this and this otherwise like I'll drown.
Jordan (16:38)
Okay, with a good question right out of the gate. Yeah. ⁓ gosh. First is just biblical community. know, that's the whole reason I moved to Florida was to be in community. That's why I stayed in that specific season of my life for a little longer than I probably should have was because of community.
Maggie (16:42)
Thank you.
Jordan (17:03)
And so yeah, just people to process with, to share life with, to kind of carry and care for each other would definitely be the biggest one. Music, if that's a thing. I think for me that is...
Maggie (17:18)
If that's a thing.
Jordan (17:22)
a thing for me. So we'll say that. ⁓ It's just, it's the gift that keeps on giving, right? It's a mood shifter. It's a tone setter.
Again, that can go to the hospitality side of things. It can go to the communication side of things. But there's just a lot of healing and understanding that music can bring for me personally. And then a third, coffee?
Shannon (17:48)
Mm-hmm. Yes.
Jordan (17:50)
Yeah, we'll go.
Maggie (17:50)
Amen. Amen.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Could not have said it better myself.
Jordan (17:56)
never too late.
Ali (17:59)
⁓ What is one challenge that you've had in all of the different seasons and parts of your life and things that you've done? What's the one big one that shifted the trajectory of your life and changed you and grew you as a person?
Jordan (18:20)
Yeah, ooh, that's great too. Man, I would say the most recent and probably the most impactful would be when, to quote our dear friend Shane, and when my dad moved to heaven. So he passed in 2020, so we're coming up on five years, and that just shifted really everything for me from, you know, he was diagnosed in 2019, I felt
this stirring to leave my job in ministry. And then tiny little thing happened. The world shut down on top of everything else. I turned 30. So if you're wondering if quarter life crisis is our thing, they are in fact. And so, yeah, that really, it really did me in, you know, because I was like, OK, I've I've left six and a half years of life behind me without a real
full goal, I just know this isn't for me right now and I feel that release. And so moving into that, I had moved back in to help take care of my dad and I had 16 wonderful months that I would not, could not trade for anything. And just during that time, seeing the strongest man that I knew get ready to make that transition, like it shifted a lot of things in me, ⁓ obviously, but.
I would say one was just work ethic in general. You know, my dad worked at Chick-fil-A corporate for his entire career practically, like 34 years. And so I'm already past that, you know, in my, however many jobs I've had in my short little life, but like just seeing, you know, this, this legend, this giant retire and then within a year be diagnosed and pass like,
Life is so much more than your job title. It's so much more than the work you do. Yes, it's important, but it is a vehicle in which your purpose is accomplished, right?
Shannon (20:20)
Hmm.
Maggie (20:29)
Mmm, yeah, yeah.
Shannon (20:31)
Yeah,
that's something that we have in common is that our dads are with Jesus. And it's funny, I was talking to Macy about this this past weekend, and we were saying, you know, for both of us, we had these strong spiritual leaders who had, you know, raised and left a legacy of great families, great marriages, great children, you know, if I do say so myself.
Ali (20:59)
Yeah.
Shannon (21:00)
and it, it for me, I don't want to speak for you, but for me, I will just say really vulnerably that when my dad died, ⁓ and of course I knew like you, I knew it was coming, so it wasn't sudden, but I definitely submitted a list of names to the Lord of terrible people that he could have taken instead of my dad who was phenomenal, phenomenal and one of a kind. So.
Maggie (21:20)
Hmm.
Mm.
Mm-hmm.
Shannon (21:30)
Did you, though we both have very strong faiths, we believe in the sovereignty of God, we know that he's appointed the number of our days, did you struggle ⁓ like I did with, Lord, like I'm all about your plan, but honestly, I frankly just, think this maybe is a poor one.
Jordan (21:50)
Yeah, obviously. I mean, I definitely did. It's one of those, are we sure that the mail went in the right mailbox for this one? Like, it's not for them. ⁓ But honestly, the initial, at least, kind of rejection or frustration was very short. ⁓ Again, that beautiful piece that does surpass our understanding, it was the first time it made sense to me, right?
⁓ and I think it also kind of set me on this journey of I love Jesus and I'm very excited for heaven. But at the time I was like, you know, I kind of like life down here and it wasn't until my dad passed that I was like, I now have a physical connection to there's somebody I love deeply and that I've loved every day of my entire life that is now there. So it made
Maggie (22:16)
Hmm.
Right.
Jordan (22:43)
heaven that much more real and Jesus that much more real. And it shifted into this like, okay, like, yeah, I miss him every day. I will forever think of him anytime I see Chick-fil-A or have Chick-fil-A or a myriad of things. ⁓ But yeah, it's definitely one of those things that I go, I have questions, ⁓ but I've learned to sit with those feelings.
and to process them, but to not go, woe is me or why. I have my moments. I have my days where I'm deep, deep in the fields and I'm weeping or I'm crying, you know, and my dad was born on Valentine's Day and passed on Halloween. like there's these kind of key days, you know, that are supposed to be big days of celebration ⁓ by everybody else's standards. But for me, they're this sweet, sweet memory of, you know, his life and his legacy.
It's definitely, it was a mind shift for me.
Maggie (23:43)
You talking about like a physical now connection to heaven that you didn't have before is like an insane way to put that. Cause like I just had a moment of like, my gosh, like that is, I've never heard someone describe it like that. That is wild. ⁓ But I'm so like glad that for you,
you were able to feel that peace and you were able to kind of not reconcile with it, but maybe ⁓ to get to a point where you're like, you know, life is still good and I still have things to do and how sweet is it that we'll be reunited one day? Like it's crazy. It's crazy.
Shannon (24:32)
Yeah.
Ali (24:32)
Hmm.
Jordan (24:34)
Right.
I was gonna say for me at least, it's one of those, the days are easier now that we're almost five years out, you know? ⁓ But it has made me yearn for heaven and to grow deeper in that because I did. I always felt like a terrible Christian when everyone's like, you shouldn't love the world and you shouldn't love your life here. And I'm like, I know it's biblical, but like, it's pretty great, you know? And so it's helped bring this depth.
to my walk and to my relationship that I wouldn't trade as much as I would love for him to be back, obviously.
Shannon (25:10)
Yeah, I say it's a lot like it kind of feels like you kind of have your your grip now right on the edge of heaven once someone that you love is there. A lot of people describe it as like the veil is a little bit thinner between here and eternity when someone that you're so connected to and love so much is there. But I would agree with you. I definitely felt bad for the fact that I was like
Lord I love you, I want to be with you forever. Also here's just a quick list of all the things I'd like to experience before I'm with you if at all possible you know and and you feel kind of bad for that because you're like ⁓ but now that someone I love so dearly is there and the more that people I love are going to be with Jesus the more it does
Ali (25:50)
Hehehehe
Shannon (26:05)
caused me to go, yeah, come quickly, Lord. Like, I trust your plan and I want to be with you in the same way that they are with you. So I get that.
Jordan (26:16)
Right? It's a surrender, you know? And that's something that I don't love, is to surrender control, you know? But I think even just these past almost five years have been such a... Brutal-ful, if we can. Brutally beautiful release of going, don't control your life. You know? I moved to Florida without really a plan. I've, you know.
started in this random job that didn't line up with ministry or my degree or the other experience I've had. like, it's just this beautiful surrender of going, okay, God, like you led me here. You're not going to leave me. And so I'll walk, but I'm going to need you to kind of, you know, start the GPS for me and then recalculate me when I veer off.
Maggie (27:08)
Start the GPS for me is a perfect way to do that.
Now you are in this quote random job, but it's not the only job that you have. You also have leadership and leadership coaching, which I know you and mom do together. Talk a little bit about that and how that's played a role in your day to day, everything that you're doing now and like how you feel like you can use that gift as well.
Jordan (27:37)
Posh, it has been this beautiful pairing, you know, of going, there's days where I wake up and I'm like, am I paying for a certification if I'm not using it daily? But then I go to my client and I'm like, ⁓ man, man man, am I using it daily? ⁓ It just gives so much more language to, you know, when I started off as an assistant in organization, I was just observing and I think it was maybe,
a session or two and I looked to my lead and I was like, so what does somebody have to do to like climb the ladder here? Because I'm ready, you know, I'm eager, I'm willing to go. see that we're, you know, working the same pace. Would love to get a little more income. ⁓ And so it's just, that helps me gain perspective on the client, you know? And so there's even been several that are like, I don't really think you're an organizer. You're more like my coach. You're more like my guide. And I'm like, yes.
Ali (28:23)
you
Jordan (28:38)
Can you call and tell me that in three months when I forget? ⁓ So it helps because there's so much within the organization world, right? You have your home edits and XYZs and it's just going in and making it look pretty. But that's such a small percentage of the work. We're going into places where people are grieving or...
so far overwhelmed or have six kids that they're homeschooling and don't have time to make sense of anything. I know, we pray. ⁓ And so the coaching does just give me that pause to go, hey, don't just show up. Don't just clock in and make things look good. Spend time getting to know the client and going, okay, Shannon said this. What I heard was this, so.
Maybe let's spend a little more time in this area of your home to make sure that it works for you, not just what Jordan and our team thinks is gonna look best or what we do, you know? It's more custom at that point.
Maggie (29:45)
That's awesome. That is so, so, so cool. You said you're kind of like my coach, which I think is so true. You're my coach personally, of all things, all the time. ⁓ I have a group of friends here who have not had the immense pleasure of getting to meet Jordan yet, but every time I bring him up, they're like, Jordan, we love him. We can't wait to meet him.
Shannon (29:58)
you
Maggie (30:12)
So you're a household name over here, but ⁓ I'm curious, and I think you and I had talked about this just a little bit, but I'm curious how you go through coaching other people. Like who coaches you? How do you get filled back up when you're pouring out so often? Like what's your refill and how do you ensure that you are filled up so that you can fill others up?
Jordan (30:15)
I love that.
Thank you. This is probably the lesson I'm relearning in this current moment in season. I lead a guys small group with my church, you know, and so we're going through and it's weeks in and my co-lead was saying some very great things. He's like, man, Jordan's so encouraging, da da da da da. He's like, but I just feel bad. And I was like, oh, why do feel bad? He's like, well, who encourages you?
And I was like, I've got great friends, like I've got great people, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, deflection, deflection. And I was out on my morning walk the next day and I was like, no, ⁓ no. Like have I been suppressing this like, yeah, I'm supported. I have phenomenal friends, but am I being as intentional to ask for that? You know, I can so freely give it for our Enneagram friends, help her here.
⁓ so I don't like asking for help. but it's been a re-learning for me of going, who are the people you're looking to become? Right. And so now not only do I lead a small group, but I attend a co-ed small group and they're 99, 100 % all married, single. And so that is something that, you know, initially I was like, I don't, I don't want to go to a co-ed group. Like I'm in that weird, I'm not a young adult.
Shannon (31:34)
Mm-hmm.
You
Jordan (32:03)
I'm not a young married, where am I? ⁓ But that has been so life-giving, just having people that are a few years ahead of me to really kind of blaze that trail and that can pour into me. Because I think if I was just, you know, if we're just sticking with small groups, if I was just leading on Tuesdays and I didn't have my Wednesday group to pour back into me, I would be quickly empty.
You know, and so it is, I love that you asked that because that's something that the Lord's like, yeah, let's keep let's keep being a little more intentional with that as well.
Ali (32:37)
Yeah, so do you think like with all your leadership experience and like everything that you've learned about, know, knowing how to lead people, do you think that there are like some key qualities that like every single leader should have or does it vary like from person to person?
Jordan (32:55)
That part. ⁓ I think it does. I think it varies. Again, your gifts are not my gifts. My gifts are not your gifts. Sure, there are some staples. Every leader needs to know how to listen. Every leader needs to know how to ⁓ be checking in with those that they're leading, but also reporting up. But I think there are different avenues within.
Maggie (33:12)
Yeah.
Jordan (33:25)
Ministry within volunteering within work of going, you know Admin is not my skill set. I'm good at it. And that's something I've learned through our coaching is just because you're gifted at something doesn't mean it brings you joy and so that is something that Admin roles specifically details, you know like planning please don't I love like hospitality and events side of things but like the minutia of layovers and flights and
those treasures of life that are necessary evils, please don't. Somebody handle them for me. I don't want to be responsible. And so, back, it's find your gifts and find your lane and be the best leader in that realm that you can, you know? I think a little of my history, just professionally going from full-time ministry to operations directors in several different avenues to leadership coaching to...
home organization has taught me like, find what you're good at and find what you love and don't just do something for a paycheck. Don't just do something because you feel like you have to, ⁓ but really find and if given the ability and the opportunity, create what that looks like for you to find that avenue or that niche niche to really go with all that you've got, you know? And that has been something I'm.
daily learning in my role as an organizer is just going, you know, it can vary. Some months can be really slow. Some days can be really challenging. It's not, but it's not nine to five. I'm not sitting behind a desk for me that I've done and it's beneficial. But for me personally, I'm just like, there's more people beyond this little desk. There's people out there that I want to meet. ⁓ Hello, all my new friends. I'll let you in on a secret. I get emotional at airports.
Shannon (35:22)
you
Jordan (35:23)
Because
I'm like, what if these people are my best best friends? And I will never get to meet them.
Shannon (35:29)
⁓ my goodness, that is amazing.
Jordan (35:32)
So yeah, that's me.
There you go. I'm transparent, right?
Shannon (35:37)
Yeah,
Ali (35:39)
I
love that. I love it.
Shannon (35:39)
it's so good. But that's a good segue into like one of my favorite things about when we first met was that something happened and I don't remember somebody had had a good experience or something and you said, ⁓ great. And you reached into your pocket and you pulled out confetti and right there in the moment you had a little celebratory party for them. And I remember
Maggie (35:43)
my gosh.
Shannon (36:07)
looking at you kind of like mouth agape, like what is occurring in my presence in this moment because I am an introvert and I don't tend to emote in situations where I'm uncomfortable or don't know many people. Like I very much hang hang back and just wait to see about the level of engagement. ⁓
and you just had a flat out party. And so for those of you who did not see when Jordan came onto the podcast today, he threw confetti. And so one of your hallmarks as a person is the, yep, there's some more, is that you almost always have confetti on you. So talk to us about why this is so.
Great. And I want people to hear this because we, all three of us, me, Maggie and Allie have been beneficiaries of this gift that God has given you of seeing and celebrating others. So talk to us about how that idea started and why you do it and what are some of the situations where you've been able to do that and the impact that it's made.
Jordan (37:16)
Well, first, thank you for that celebration, gosh. ⁓ I think I have to give credit to Bob Goff, right? I mean, he's all about, love does, everybody always. ⁓ I think his was bubbles and balloons maybe, know, kind of his things. And ⁓ I wanna say, specifically after Dad passed, it just kind of became this thing, you know? I had these little Target confetti poppers and I just...
kept setting them off in my passenger seat. so my passenger seat floorboard was like covered with gold and white confetti and I just left it there and it started to accumulate. And I was like, you know, I'm about to go to a really important meeting. God forbid he wants to get in my car. Like this, you know, CEO of this billion dollar company. What if he gets in my car and I have like a confetti floorboard, you know? ⁓ Spoiler, he did not.
Maggie (38:10)
you
Jordan (38:14)
It just became this thing of like, you know, it brings me joy and it gives me an opportunity to maybe twist and kind of salvage the uncomfortable. I mean, I literally have, because you're awesome, my bag right here. Keep it in my bag at all times if I can. ⁓ Because you just never know. Like I have been called, you know, an eternal optimist or all the other, even the negative sides of that, but
For me, it's genuinely just how I'm wired of going, okay, but what can we celebrate in this? You know, and I've had friends in the past where I was like, ooh, your spouse is a little challenging. And the Lord was like, hey, but if you're gonna love them, you have to love their spouse. And he taught me this lesson of just going, find something to celebrate. It doesn't make them any less negative or pessimistic or whatever that attribute may be.
Shannon (38:48)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Jordan (39:10)
but it shifts your focus of going, man, you are a great mom or you are a great hostess. And so I think just that emulated with the like, let's make an impact. Let's leave the world a little better and more colorful than you found it. Why not? And so if you ever come to my house, there's a whole little shelf of confetti and neatly organized jars for different situations, you know?
Shannon (39:37)
Mm-hmm.
Maggie (39:40)
The neatly organized jars really did it for me. That's amazing. I'm obsessed.
Shannon (39:40)
Wow.
Yes,
it's a true gift. I'm unaccustomed to being celebrated randomly the way that you do so well. And it is definitely an infusion of joy. ⁓ And you don't miss anything. And you don't miss an opportunity to celebrate well. ⁓ I want to be like,
Jordan (39:48)
gotta
Shannon (40:13)
respectful in saying this and asking this but I will say that as a parent before I ask this it has been such a joy for me and for Jeff to have other people who are speaking into the lives of our kids who are saying the same things we're saying. We talked about this with Casey who you know and love. We have said this a million times about Macy.
Caleb, there are just all kinds of people that God has brought around our family who pour into the lives of our kids and you are one of them. And you specifically have walked really closely and carefully with Maggie through her recent breakup. And I just want to say as a parent what that means to me and to Maggie's dad to know that
There's someone else who knows and loves Jesus and who is constantly pointing her toward what's true. How have you, ⁓ what is it about you that has gone? I not only want to pour in, I want to pour in at a level that ⁓ most people would have stopped a while ago, I guess is the way that I'll say it, but you are consistent.
in your presence in the lives of people that you care about? What is it that you do that increases that as a discipline? Because I think we could all grow in that. When you grow up Southern Baptist, like we did, it's like, I'll pray for you. And then it's like, will you? Is that real? And so I sometimes have to be like,
Jordan (41:55)
But where are you then? Right!
Ali (41:57)
Hehehehehe
Shannon (42:00)
remind me at three o'clock tomorrow to pray for so-and-so, remind me to text so-and-so, just like getting Siri to help me kind of. What have you done to cultivate that ⁓ ministry of presence in the lives of people?
Jordan (42:18)
Man, ministry of presence. That's, wow. I'm gonna, that's my takeaway. ⁓ For one, I think you hit one of the nails on the head. Like Siri is your best friend. I used to feel a little gross about being like, hey Siri, remind me to text so-and-so or hey Siri, remind me to call, blah, blah. But again, we only have so much capacity, right? And the days are getting quicker and shorter and best of intentions.
I mean, to tell on myself, I saw Maggie in person, saw her face, talked to her for 45 minutes on a pretty significant day in her life, aka her birthday, and did not realize it until I was back home, mortified. I was mortified. And so she was so gracious, but I was like, I talked to her for 45 minutes. What do you mean?
Maggie (43:09)
Not a big deal
at all. Not a big deal at all. At all. He texted me in all caps my full name and was like, how dare you let me speak to you for almost an hour and not mention it.
Jordan (43:18)
still doing what they're doing.
And that's how I felt, you know? And so I think the weight of that, to get that back to our question, is just going, it's so much ingrained in who I am because it's what I desire. I want to be deeply known and deeply seen, deeply celebrated. And so I'm sure there's countless biblical examples of this.
Shannon (43:50)
Mm-hmm.
Jordan (43:50)
But it's
my heart is to lead the leaders of the lovers, celebrate the celebrators, the ones that are, you know, going the extra mile, who's caring for them, who's celebrating them, who's pursuing them. And so that it feels like a smaller margin, you know, because as leaders we do tend to have to rise above and to pour out more to go extra, do this further, which is all great in a part of leadership, right? But.
That is just something that the Lord has given me eyes to see. It's just going, okay, but also celebrate them, reach out to them. And so it's so much of the platinum role doing to others is as they would want done to them, right? know, golden rule is a little here, but like platinum is going above and beyond. And so why not find the opportunities of going, okay, how can I celebrate? How can I show up?
Shannon (44:37)
Mm-hmm.
Jordan (44:48)
And there are days, trust me, where I'm like, man, I need to learn how to ask for somebody to be in that role for me as well. ⁓ And I have spiritual mentors and spiritual parents that'll step in as well, and my family and friends, and they just chime in at the right time. ⁓ But it's just this desire to see more celebration, to see people at their best, because life is hard. Life is full of so much fighting for our attention. ⁓
Maggie (45:14)
Mm-hmm.
Jordan (45:18)
that I think if anything, like what do we get to take with us when we pass? It's people, right? And so why would we not spend our time loving the Lord and then loving others, loving our neighbors. And if that's what my life is full of, I feel like I'll be pretty happy with that.
Shannon (45:23)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, so good. All right, Ali, do you want to ask Jordan our question that we ask all our guests before we're done with the podcast?
Ali (45:46)
Yes. So Jordan, what is your ideal beautiful day?
Jordan (45:54)
Mm-hmm. Okay, I've been listening so I know that these are no rules. No calories, no time. ⁓ I would say this is gonna make me sound like I'm about 90 years old, but like a great morning walk with people I love, because I'm a morning person. Throw in some Disney, throw in some really good coffee. Probably travel, so let's go little international Disney, shall we?
Shannon (46:01)
Yes.
Jordan (46:23)
around the holidays, let's do Christmas, because if we're going to be gluttonous, let's go big, right? And just deep conversation. So some kind of meal where there is deep conversation, ⁓ great questions being asked, and just the people that I love. Yeah.
Shannon (46:29)
Mm-hmm.
Maggie (46:29)
Yeah
Shannon (46:43)
Yeah, but you said all the right words and then you topped it with the holidays and I was sold.
Maggie (46:51)
Mom was like, count me in, I
Ali (46:52)
There.
Maggie (46:53)
wanna be there.
Shannon (46:54)
You could have, you probably could have said, let's all take the SATs. But if you had said at Christmas, I would have been like best days SATs ever. Like, yeah, I would have been totally in. Okay. So as we wrap up girls, ⁓ Allie, we'll start with you. Let's celebrate Jordan as we finish out the podcast. So what do you want to say to celebrate Jordan in this podcast?
Jordan (46:57)
You're always my...
Ali (47:20)
Yes, Jordan, I think you are just the absolute most joy-filled person, not even just like happy, like you are joy-filled. And ⁓ we've been talking about this like most of the episode, but you always find the ⁓ perfect moment to celebrate people. And you always find the good in people. And that is just something that I admire so much, because sometimes I have a hard time ⁓ judging people.
and just being like, well, blah, blah, blah, blah. But you'd be like, but look at this and how beautiful they are. And we can celebrate them in this. And you just have such a light to you and you are just so like joy filled. And like, that's what I keep coming back to is joy filled. Cause that's just how I like see you. It's just a bundle of joy.
Maggie (48:10)
It couldn't be more true. It could not be more true. I have said since I was like, oh my gosh, when did we meet Caleb? When I was like 14, I've always said he's like the big brother I never had, but lucky me, now I have two because you're right there with him. I really, really think that you, I mean, we only became friends like a year ago. It popped up on like one of my memories when you came and stayed at Pop.
for the first time and I was like, oh my gosh. And it's been one of the best years ever. And it's also been one of the hardest years for me personally ever. And you've been right there, right alongside me the whole time. Never complained, never said, hey girl, can we talk about something else? Like never once made me feel like I was being a burden to you. And that is such an incredible, incredible quality.
because I know it can be really hard to receive, receive, receive a lot of information from people, but you hold it so well, you carry it so well, and you know exactly what to say. You know exactly what to say. And I just don't think, I mean, like I said, all my friends know who you are because all I do is yap about how incredible and amazing you are. And they can't wait to see you the next time that you're here. And they said they want to become best friends with you, but I said that cannot happen, unfortunately. ⁓
Jordan (49:35)
you
Maggie (49:36)
We're going to need to keep a safe distance because we were keeping Jordan to ourselves. Thank you. But I truly, I truly, adore, adore you relish the time that we have together when you're here. And I just couldn't say enough good things about you, honestly.
Jordan (49:54)
Thank you so much, my face hurts. ⁓
Shannon (49:57)
And Jordan, I will just say what a gift to be friends with you. We feel so blessed as a family. We are eternally grateful to Macy for sharing you with us and letting us ⁓ know the joy that is you.
Ali (50:11)
Mm-hmm.
Shannon (50:15)
And I just want to speak over you that you exhibit such Christ-like character and so many facets of the character of God as a joy-filled, as Allie said, God and someone who
exalts over those he has made and celebrates them. Scripture says with singing that he sings over them. And when we're around you we see that mirrored in the way that God's made you to celebrate other people. So I just want to call that out in you and say people who put a negative spin on that because this world is full of negativity and negative people and people who put a negative spin on that are not telling you the truth.
And so God's given you ⁓ really, really sweet aspects of his character to show to others. So thank you for being part of our family. Thank you for being on the Everything Made Beautiful podcast. I literally just said the other day, I really need to get Jordan on the podcast. There's so much I want to talk to him about and lo and behold, it is done. So thank you for agreeing to do this with us.
Jordan (51:28)
Absolutely, my joy, trust me.
Shannon (51:31)
Well, we are looking forward to many more fun days and fun times with you. And I'm so grateful that we got to introduce you to our podcast family. And for those of you listening and watching, thank you for joining us. Thank you for meeting another one of our near and dears in the Scott family. And don't forget to be on the lookout all around you for the ways that God is making everything beautiful, including you and
If you get an opportunity, maybe put some confetti in your pocket and throw it at the next opportunity to celebrate someone. I guarantee you it will make their day. We will see you next time. Bye bye.