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A show about Weird Stuff, hosted by AP Strange. AP interviews cool weirdos about their work, and invites friends on to discuss second sequels in franchises in a series called "Third Time's the Charm". Other fun surprises await...
Pardon me while I have a strange interlude. But there is nothing else. Life is an obscure oboe bumming a ride on the omnibus of art. Among the misty corridors of pine, and in those corridors I see figures, strange figures. Welcome back my friends to the AP Strange show.
AP Strange:I am your host, AP Strange, and this is my show. And this week's show is brought to you by the Christopher Dane story recycler. If you're a writer and you only have a limited amount of stories or just need to crank out a whole lot of print in a short amount of time using the limited stories you have available to you, the Christopher Dane method is a non AI way to just remix and replug in the stories you already have and it comes with a non de plume generator as well. So that's really good for you if you're short on time, short on stories, but really wanna crank out the print. So that being said, we have a wonderful show tonight.
AP Strange:This is going to be a lot of fun because those listeners who have followed me for a while know that I'm a rabid book collector and I love old books and especially like 70s paperbacks and like 60s and fake magazines and things. So naturally I was a fan of once I discovered this blog, Paperbacks of the Gods and its author Doctor. Gerald Koh. He's not really a doctor but he is a real Koh sort of and I was enamored with the site the first time I got on it because it's just full of such good stuff. All these crazy old paperbacks, deep dives, and tracing the histories of them, sometimes uploading entire volumes that that are scanned or directing to where you could find them, and a lot of great information.
AP Strange:So I had to get Jericho on the show to talk about some of these crazy books because I don't think I'm alone as far as people who listen to the show and loving those weird old paperbacks. So welcome to the show Jerry.
Jerrold Coe:Thank you. Thank you very much AP. Yeah, I'm really happy to be here with the books to talk about the books.
AP Strange:Oh yeah. Yeah. We kinda got carried away before I hit the record button and I was I was saying, well, we can't burn too much good stuff. Got And for listeners, this is an audio medium, but Jerry is currently surrounded by books just everywhere. So it's pretty great.
AP Strange:Just showing me all these old volumes that he has, it's good stuff. So I I we you mentioned this before we got on, but where did where did the fascination with the paperbacks and the the collecting start for you?
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. So it started because I was into UFOs and the paranormal stuff as a kid in the nineties where it was like the x files. It was that show sightings on the sci fi channel, and, that kinda went fallow. You know? But then later, as an adult, I started collecting these, I started with the UFO books, and then it just brought it out because, of course, that's just how the subject goes.
Jerrold Coe:It just, you know, it's all encompassing. So I started collecting. They were they are so many of them are still very inexpensive. You know, you get specific titles and volumes that are, you know, go for a lot, but most of the just the cheap old paperbacks are still really affordable, especially if you find them in used bookstores. And so I just started, like, I'm gonna yeah.
Jerrold Coe:I'm holding one up to the screen right now for AP of just, you know, the artwork. It's a weird three eyed freakazoid creature for the paperback library, which was a cheapy publisher. It's called the authentic shutter, researched and true astounding tales of haunted houses and their spectacular specters by Warren Armstrong. And it is just there's typical with these, the paperback library, there's no table of contents. There's no index.
Jerrold Coe:It's just the forward, which they often didn't even have that. And then chapter one, chapter two, all the way to the end. And each one is just a random chapter or random, in this case, ghost story, and the sourcing is thin at best. And as AP mentioned, it's this, you know, meatloaf. You just get a bunch of stories together.
Jerrold Coe:You just put them together. You push it out. And if you're somebody like Brad Steiger or is writing collaborator Warren Smith and you write so many of these, you end up having to use pseudonyms so that you don't drown out the market. And then you end up writing as Christopher Dane and Eric Norman and Robert e Smith was one of Warren Smith's, pseudonyms when he wrote about the psychic Doc Anderson, who was a real character who Warren Smith got a lot of lot of, content out of. And one thing when I started collecting these, just just a few years, just right because Brad Stagger died in 2018, and it was sort of this odd, you know, this somewhat melancholy synchronicity.
Jerrold Coe:It was around that time that I had started getting all these books, and I I was realizing this Brad Steiger guy, he sure you know, he writes a lot of these, And it was all across the genre. It was the UFO books and the ghost books and the psychic books and the 40 and collections of everything. And that's when it was a it was a book by Warren Smith about the hollow earth I had read. And then I'd I'd read it. That was a book by Eric Norman, which I hadn't known at the time was a pseudonym that Smith and Steiger shared that they both used.
Jerrold Coe:And then when I read a later book by Warren Smith, I said, this is the exact same book. They just someone just rearranged the chapters, and that's when I that's when I learned about the fact that these were just pseudonyms for, you know
AP Strange:Yeah. For
Jerrold Coe:Eric Norman was not a renowned expert in the paranormal as he's blurbed some of his volumes. He's either Warren Smith or Brad Steiger depending on which which volume. And so that that really sent me on the the network part of it, like the web of the interconnections and of, like, comparing how these volumes were assembled. And these are these, you know, 60¢ the authentic shutter cost in 1967. You know?
Jerrold Coe:And so Steiger put out back in the like, his total his total bibliography is, like, over a 100 books. But, specifically, back then, he was still, like, fifty, sixty some books he churned out because he kept writing up until almost until he died. So that really became my draw was the the web of references and also how they were recycling stories because that's the other thing we really have to, like, emphasize is how these Steiger and Smith also would just they take stuff from an older book they wrote, and they would pad out a new book they wrote. You know, they would take they would write one specific volume about one specific subject, and that allowed them to take all the chapters they had ever written about that subject before and put it into this new book and say Yeah. Here's a new book.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. And another oh, here's here's a they also, you know, because Stiger started he started out writing movie monster books for the monster kids in the sixties about, you know, movie monsters, which is a popular that's a whole other collector's thing that I'm not I'm not, you know, knowledgeable about. It is a
AP Strange:a whole thing. Like, 40 monsters of film film land and stuff like that. Yeah. I have some of that, but I'm not a huge collector of it, but I do have some. Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:So he Stiger dipped into that at the beginning of his career. That's how he started. He also wrote a couple of biography. He wrote a Valentino biography, and he wrote a Judy Garland biography. And then his first and I'm just gonna hold it up for AP again to the screen.
Jerrold Coe:His first, I think it's his first or second 40 in volume ghosts, ghouls, and other peculiar people. It's a very silly illustration of a little goblin guy wearing some kind of little mid century cap. And it says, welcome. I'm your own personal nightmare. My name is Fred, and I will never leave you.
Jerrold Coe:And it's if you if you're familiar with what the books looked like later, his other sixties, there was a really specific aesthetic to the to the Freudian style of Charles Ford and then the Frank Edwards and CB Colby and and Harold Wilkins after that this Stargardt's first or second Freudian book is not inhabiting. It is more of a curio, you know, I think more for general audience to look at and go, oh, you know, that's silly. I'll grab it. But the the style that he settled into just right after that is of all of these very anonymously drawn, like, little cameo little cameo pieces on the cover.
AP Strange:Yeah. Like, almost like comic book panels. You know?
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. Right. It'll say, like, the one I'm holding Beyond Unseen Boundaries by Brad Steiger, and it'll say, you know, she saw her daughter die a 100 miles away, and it's a lady gasping as she psychically sees her daughter dying in a car crash. And then, you know, there's a there's four of them on the front, two of them on the back. They draw you in.
Jerrold Coe:And this one is also good because this particular volume beyond unseen boundaries has two, drawings on it that aren't in the book. The Haunton Tot's mind unlocks the sea secrets, which is a very mid century illustration of an African gentleman. And then on the back, it says the unbelievable ESP king of the racetrack who could, you know, bet on the ponies and always win. Yeah. And the hot and tot story is I I don't recall reading that in any of these, but the ESP King on the Racetrack shows up in a later volume.
Jerrold Coe:So I'm picturing this giant slush pile that they have of random individual chapters, you know, of Smith and Steiger. Like, they got this giant pile of chapters, and they just are like, well, okay. Time to make a book. Let's just and they just, you know, haul out 30 chapters. You know?
Jerrold Coe:It's like anywhere from 20 to 30 chapters in one of these. And Yeah. Then they, you know, they tell the publisher, alright. You know, make make six illustrations for these chapters. And somewhere then around the way, they got a little mixed up and, you know, a chapter fell out here or there, got shuffled around.
AP Strange:Yeah. They ran out of room in the book or something. Yeah. It kinda reminds me the illustrations kinda remind me of, like the Robert Ripley Ripley's Believe You're Not kind of method of doing a cartoon with the story just kind of written in you know.
Jerrold Coe:And then also it's also because these books have no interior illustrations. You know? These are cheap paperbacks. They have no drawings inside. They have no maps or graphs or anything.
Jerrold Coe:So, yeah, these drawings on the on the cover, that's the only, like, visual you can get to draw people in. Look at this baby with the giant hand here.
AP Strange:Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:He's also not in the book. Born with the blood red hand of an assassin on the on the title strange powers of prophecy. Yeah. They're so I got that's how that's how I really got drawn into it specifically with the two writers Steiger and Smith who accounted for such a huge chunk of the field that they were writing in to the point where they needed to start using pseudonyms
AP Strange:Right. Yeah. So I mean, this is kind of a real pulp era of paperback paranormal mania, I guess, the era. Was like easy enough to crank these out as like curiosity purchases, a cheap something that'll catch the eye and somebody will just grab it out of curiosity because it's not the kind of deep dive you would get with with somebody like Keel or Ballet or something like that on a topic. Right.
AP Strange:Right. Because I always thought of, you know, I didn't know that much about Steiger, but I had a bunch of his books and I always thought of him as as eventually I thought of him as, oh, he's like a story collector, like he's one of these guys that grabs up stories and can kinda put them together in a book and, doesn't let facts get in the way of a good story. Doesn't cite his sources usually and but I mean, he's in a tradition of that already by the time he was doing it plenty of other people were and you listed some of them. Frank Edwards was was probably one of the original guys. Yeah.
AP Strange:Of pulpy style of it, you know? But I mean, you would know better than me, I guess.
Jerrold Coe:No. Frank Edwards, yeah, I think because he ended his career with a couple of UFO specific volumes, but for most of his career, he was writing just straight up 40 on a collections of just, you know, everything in the kitchen sink.
AP Strange:The strangest of all, stranger than science. Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:Yep. Stranger than this, stranger than that. And that that title the strange title sort of became its own little subgenre of titling with because all of the Steiger and Smith books that they were running in the mid sixties, strange ESPs, strange powers of prophecy, strange powers of healing, you know, strange encounters with ghosts. Strange. You put strange in the title.
Jerrold Coe:You're telling people what they're gonna get. You know, if you've read Frank Edwards, you know, you read stranger than science. How about strange encounters with ghosts? You know? So
AP Strange:Oh, I have to say strange is a pretty great word. It really has a great ring to it.
Jerrold Coe:I don't know if I would trust anyone who's too into that word. You know?
AP Strange:Well, because then you had the CB Colby was had, like, strangely enough.
Jerrold Coe:Yes.
AP Strange:Yeah. Which
Jerrold Coe:got a scholastic reprinting, I think, in the either the late fifties or the yeah. 1959. That might not have been the scholastic edition. There was a scholastic edition of his book, which just all of a if you if you go online, all kinds of people from who are who are kids in that era remember this book because it it was in school. Scholastic book club edition.
AP Strange:That's the that's the edition I have is is one of the scholastic printings. Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. Yeah. Mine is a popular library printing, so it's not yeah. It's it's an it's an older one, and it's got the just the what I like to call the chariots facelift cover, where it's just bold text. There's no there's no illustrations on this cover.
AP Strange:Yeah. I like that, but it feels like, it feels like a rip off because the covers are most of the charm of some of these books.
Jerrold Coe:And what what you see after Chariots of the Gods published in America with that bold face cover, you see reprints of older UFO and ancient astronaut books, which originally had really gorgeous cover art. You see the reprints of them coming out with just the bold text cover, just the plain, you know, bold text cover, which, you know, can be like arresting, but is it is also like, hey. You know, this original art is really gorgeous.
AP Strange:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would prefer the artwork. And I've mentioned this before, think with like Fate Magazine, the way they did their covers, the 1950s covers are
Jerrold Coe:Gorgeous painted scenes and everything.
AP Strange:Yeah, they're great. Then somewhere in the sixties they switched to all text covers and it stayed that way for a long time.
Jerrold Coe:For a long time and now I think they're back to illustrations but that yeah, there's just some about the really early ones.
AP Strange:I think, like, 1978, they brought the cover pictures back.
Jerrold Coe:Okay.
AP Strange:But then they started doing, like, a center staple in the binding. Oh, yeah. That's me.
Jerrold Coe:You'll have all your all your magazines, and you can see the title and the date and everything and the edition. Yeah. And then all of a sudden it goes over to that and it's just, you know, you lost.
AP Strange:Yeah. With the digest binding is is much better for me because you can read the spine like a book, but the center staples, no good. No.
Jerrold Coe:Here's oh, RG Whitmiller was another guy because here's here's two editions. I'm I'm sorry for the folks at home, but for AP's sake
AP Strange:Stranger than life.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. Stranger than life. One of them being a very, like, for some reason, I wanna say, like, something you would see on the cover of a Ray Bradbury, this weird line drawing of a strange face. Yeah. Very abstract.
Jerrold Coe:And then the other cover from just a little later, and this bugs me, but this is an Ace book. And Ace didn't date their their reprints for some reason. They only ever put in the original copyright. So this looks like a late sixties or seventies book, but the copyright's only 1955. They don't tell you when it was actually reprinted.
Jerrold Coe:And this one has, a weird Jesus Janus double faced, thing going on with with kind of a a bearded man in space with his face is is yeah. That is the kind of cover I really that is very to me, that's that's good stuff.
AP Strange:Yeah. Yeah, I agree. The covers are are always really good on those. I mean, I got I have tons of bold paperbacks around here and I feel like the cover is part of the charm but also I feel weird saying it but the smell of the books. I love that like pulpy smell.
Jerrold Coe:Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm just grabbing
AP Strange:it Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:It's it's got it. It's that that musty. Yes.
AP Strange:I like I like riffling the pages and just fanning the smell into my face.
Jerrold Coe:I really I really like the ads in the back when the books have back page ads I really like the the overheated copy used to sell like this here's a collection from Fate Magazine about some of their stuff fate stranger than fiction where they just they made a little paperback release of some of their, you know, what they said were some of their best. And in the back, they have, Georgia Danske. They have ads for Georgia Danske. Behind the flying saucer mystery, first time in paperback. This amazing book rips the curtain of secrecy from the flying saucer phenomena.
Jerrold Coe:You know? Like Yeah. You finish reading this book, and then you see in the back, and you're like, oh god. I gotta see what that's about. You know?
Jerrold Coe:Right. And that's also I mean, Adamsky you know who Adamsky is, but, you know, also, there's other books listed in the back where you're like, oh, you know, here's strange superstitions and magical practices by William J. Fielding. You know? If you're reading and you want more titles, and that's what they're giving you for the because they, you know, they wanted you to buy them, obviously.
Jerrold Coe:But, that to me that's how I find a lot of the the books that especially if they have a title that won't come up right away with with searching online because Right. Here in in Portland, we have a lot of really good used bookstores, including, of course, we have the Giant Powell's, but we also have just lots of neighborhood great neighborhood bookstores where you can just browse, and you'll find lots of decent stuff. But if you're if you're online trolling, you know, and you're searching for something, if it doesn't have UFO or flying saucer in the title, you know, how do you do just a general search to get a lot of stuff? Here's a here's the throwbacks by Roger Kerris writing as Roger Sarac because he was a Yeah. I think it was an ASPCA guy, Roger Kerris.
Jerrold Coe:He was an animal rights and, environmentalist guy. I think this was his only fiction novel, and it's about Bigfoot. It's a combination gothic, like romance horror book, big Bigfoot book. It's really good. I really enjoyed it.
AP Strange:You wrote about this one on your blog, and that Yes. That really cracked me up that he just turned his last name backwards to Yes. Anonymize himself.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. Because his name is Roger Caras, c a r a s, and he his pen name is Sarac, s r a a c.
AP Strange:Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:And it's kinda like he wasn't even trying. He was just saying, put that aside. That's just the fiction book I wrote. You know? Don't Right.
Jerrold Coe:You know, look at here's my body of work about nonfiction, about environmental issues and animal rights. But this the one the thing about this, you know, the throwbacks, like, if I'm if I'm on eBay or Etsy, you know, it's probably gonna be difficult to come up with unless someone has made a very thorough posting about it saying Bigfoot thriller, the throwbacks. Because there's a lot. And then in that case, they probably know what they've gotten. It's probably more expensive than a listing that doesn't have any of that information that I might not ever find because just some warehouse just put up every single book they have and it's just the title and the author and that's it.
AP Strange:But That's that's really the tricky thing about finding weird books is you would almost rather have a seller that doesn't know what they have. But if they don't know what they have, they don't know how to sell it. So you really gotta hunt. Right?
Jerrold Coe:So and, like, there are there are shops on there's a shop on Etsy I really like and there's one on eBay I really like and they know what they've got. Right. They're they're priced fairly, but it's also, you know, that's you know, it's not it's really exciting when you find something in the wild. You know? And Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:You pick it up and it's 50¢ and you're like, holy. You know? But my I think the throwbacks I think I found this in an ad from another tower because it's a Belmont Tower book from the publisher Belmont Tower who are very good, very cheap publisher. I think I found the throwbacks title in an ad from another tower book I had read, and that's how I find a lot of the titles I wouldn't maybe be able to stumble on as easily online.
AP Strange:Yeah. I mean, I've definitely done that through fate because I I mean, I have a pretty fantastic collection from the fifties into the seventies like not complete but from that range and every once in a while it would be a full page ad for a book that sounded wild and I had to go hunt for it you know.
Jerrold Coe:And their book review columns too. Read a lot of the columns and
AP Strange:Yeah. There's one that's like my white whale that I hope to find someday and it's hands. Have you heard of this one?
Jerrold Coe:No. Hands, just hands?
AP Strange:It's called hands a phenomenal case study or no, a case study of a phenomenal hypnotic subject.
Jerrold Coe:No, who's the author? Is it anybody?
AP Strange:Think his name was Lee Gladden. It had two authors. Mhmm. And it's about this woman channeling an entity from space that's essentially like a big hand that has hands at the end of all its fingers. Okay.
AP Strange:So it's a handmade out of hands.
Jerrold Coe:Have you I think you've mentioned that before.
AP Strange:Have you I probably I'll take any excuse to bring this book up. Yes.
Jerrold Coe:Okay. Because they're yes. Yeah. Fate ads.
AP Strange:Right. Yep. Another one I found was a kinsman of the dragon. Have you ever heard of this one?
Jerrold Coe:No, no, who's that and what is it?
AP Strange:What's that Stanley Mullen was the author and I think it might be his only book and it didn't do well, like because it only had one printing but it's got this really wild extravagant cover by Hannes Bach who did a lot of artwork and books back then. Do you have any Hannes Bach?
Jerrold Coe:I don't think so. I mean, I don't I wouldn't recognize his style on-site, so
AP Strange:Yeah, he was an artist and a writer, so he would do both, but he had this really cool process of drawing and painting and then applying glaze to the image and then painting over it again which gave it this weird kind of like three-dimensional look. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah so the cover to this book is wild and it's it's got this weird kind of, like science fiction sci fi kind of Fortianna feel to it, but yeah. That that one I I tracked down and bought just because I saw an ad in FateBridge. So it's fun stuff, you find the good stuff in there.
AP Strange:Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah.
AP Strange:So do have a method when you go into a store where you suspect they don't know what they have?
Jerrold Coe:If yeah. Because sometimes yeah. Generally, like for example, Powell's has a whole paranormal section, and they're priced accordingly because they do sort everything very well, and they know what they got. But, I went up to a god. I was actually, up near Chehalis the other weekend and, Downtown Centralia.
Jerrold Coe:There's a very nice old bookstore there, and I'm blanking on the name of it. Otherwise, I would give it a shout out. But, they are the type where the shelves are just to the ceiling. And they had a fantastic selection, but it was almost all lit literally just alphabetical by author. All of the fiction and some of the nonfiction was just mixed in alphabetical by author.
Jerrold Coe:So I found some really good stuff, but it was just, you know, you had to scan every shelf. And, I mean, it's pretty easy. You look for the vintage text. You know? You look for the old style, you know, printing.
Jerrold Coe:Sometimes, you know, I'll check out and see if the side the sci if there's a sci fi section, I'll look and see do they have Fortiana or UFO stuff mixed in there.
AP Strange:Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:Very rarely, like, they'll be in the science section. They might have some UFO books if they do it that way. That's I did find a jackpot of lops and rompa books down at Wallace Books in Sellwood in Portland, which is a very good bookstore. They just had a stack of the fake monk lops and rompa. In there, they have it's really vague genre sorting or in in this one corner they had you know, they happen to if they have any, they'll put them over there and and they have a they do have a bunch of, like, big large format UFO.
Jerrold Coe:You know, the type of stuff they got printed in the nineties and February, a large format UFO books, you know, encyclopedia type stuff. But yeah, that's that's I mean, what what are what are what are your secrets of finding the Fortian stuff?
AP Strange:I'm glad you mentioned the sci fi section because that's one thing I recommend to people is if you walk in and you can't find a UFO or New Age or weird or paranormal section, like sometimes the booksellers don't know like a lot of UFO book titles sound like it could be sci fi, so they just throw it in the sci fi section. So if you know what things to look for, sometimes just scanning through sci fi pays off because booksellers don't necessarily know what they're looking at when they have one sometimes.
Jerrold Coe:And the genre is kind of, you know, it is kind of a blending and a vague. Yeah. Like you do like, I'm holding one right now from me and from Otto Binder under his pseudonym, Menace of the Saucers. And it's a fiction piece. You know?
Jerrold Coe:Mhmm. But he's writing he wrote a lot of nonfiction, quote, unquote, UFO books, including a very good UFO reader from the end of the sixties, which was straightforward UFO history, you know, and very, measured in, like, you know, saying here's what someone says. Here's, you know, his reasonable stuff. And then the next year, he wrote an ancient astronaut's cash in book, which just was, like, you know, totally just, you know, well, I think von, you know, von Denneken, he's a genius, and let's, you know, let's invest let's just bring in all the goofy ancient astronaut stuff and put this in a volume, and we can then, you know, you're playing both sides. You're you know, you put out a very reasonable, very thoughtful UFO book.
Jerrold Coe:And then just in case that doesn't get enough people, you go and you put out the really wild, crazy stuff that, you know, some people do really want.
AP Strange:Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:And he also yeah.
AP Strange:Was he was an interesting guy, though. I think the Eando Bender ones were the ones he co wrote with his brother. Right?
Jerrold Coe:I I've read that that was their I'm not sure if later on if he and his brother were still writing together. But in the pulp era, in the pulp era, yeah, they they they combined their his name e what was his name? Was his name Ed or something like, you know, so
AP Strange:it's Eric.
Jerrold Coe:Eric. Okay. E and O, Eric and Otto, Bender, together make Yando. Yeah. Because because the the menace of the saucers and the knight of the saucers are both from the sixties.
Jerrold Coe:I don't know. And then he died fairly not too long. He died I think he died in the seventies, auto vendor.
AP Strange:Mhmm.
Jerrold Coe:And he he his daughter died tragically before him, and that was that was right when he was writing his two UFO volumes, one of which is dedicated to his his daughter that passed away.
AP Strange:Yeah. And he was a great cartoonist too. I mean, he Yeah. He did a lot of, like, two of those scripts. Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. Which again is not a not an area I'm I'm as, you know, familiar with, but, you go on Wikipedia, and that's his main that's what he's mostly known for is he co inventing or inventing just a ton of classic comics characters who Yeah. To this day But
AP Strange:he would yeah. He would do, like, UFO encounters like in comic book style too. So Yeah. There's some really good ones. There there really ought to be a a collection of those printed
Jerrold Coe:in That a
AP Strange:would be great.
Jerrold Coe:There should. I because again, yeah, I collect the paperbacks. I have a very, very, very small handful of of magazines and comic books including let's see. Where is it? Oh, yeah.
Jerrold Coe:The just gonna hold it up. Alien UFO and Alien Comics, which was a Warren magazine publication, which reprinted this one. You see this one a lot online. It's on the archive too, if people wanna check it out. And that's the thing.
Jerrold Coe:A lot of these a lot of the UFO comics are on archive.org.
AP Strange:Yeah. Noticed that a lot of your blog posts have the link for the archive.org in case you wanna, like, read the whole book, which is
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. And Yeah. I also I very specifically there's a couple there's a couple of them like this Sasquatch horror horror fiction Sasquatch book by Emmy Nair, which, you know, for some reason it's a good book. I read it. It's it's a decent thriller.
Jerrold Coe:It's from 1977. This is the British New English Library edition from '78. It goes for ridiculous prices online for some reason. Like, hundreds of dollars. Just totally, totally ridiculous.
Jerrold Coe:And so I got my hands on a copy, and I personally scanned the whole goddamn thing just to put it out there just so that if you really wanna read this old thriller about Bigfoot, you can for free without having to, you know, some scalper give some scalper a $100 to send you this book that originally went for in England, 75p in The UK, 75p. Recommended price in Australia, $2 and 50 Australian cents. Yeah. And I've done that with a couple. There's been a oh, how to become a sensuous witch.
Jerrold Coe:That was one I threw online because that one is a very, the cover to that one is just so gonzo and so deliberately, you know, it's provocative. It's exciting.
AP Strange:Yes.
Jerrold Coe:It was made to sell. And I just didn't I just again, I got sick of looking at all the listings online being so okay. Don't have it in front of me, but that's okay.
AP Strange:Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:Being so over overpriced. And so I, you know, I said, screw it. I happened to actually land on a cheap listing that just came up, and I just grabbed that right away, and I just scanned the whole thing and just threw it up on the archive. There you did that for, I think it was ancient astrological secrets of the Jews or some some title like that, which was another one because of the Gonzo title and the Gonzo cover art, which I believe it's just a menorah with some, like, zodiac zodiacal, imagery. You know, they you see that the witch books AP, have you noticed this with witch books?
Jerrold Coe:They go for insane prices.
AP Strange:Yeah. Because they kinda have this this like, kitsch value to them, or it's like popular or popular, sensational witchcraft for the masses. And I I have a bunch of them and
Jerrold Coe:Oh, jealous.
AP Strange:I'm I'm glad that that you've covered so many on your blog because I'm like, these are really fascinating little things like, like witchcraft in The USA. I think one Yes. Of Yeah. One that I like is, I'm gonna blank on the title now, but it was a Scott Cunningham one that there was a printing in the eighties and it looks like such a generic book because it's just this average this average woman on the cover. It looks like she had all came from the cover of, a red book or something.
Jerrold Coe:Oh, that's great.
AP Strange:Because the whole idea is that, like, witches are just normal people too. Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:They're just normal people, which yeah. Witches USA, Witchcraft in America Today, couple of these seventies volumes, that was their whole shtick was we're gonna interview some real witches and show you they're just normal suburban people or exciting sexy city people too.
AP Strange:Yeah. Yep. And, like, they don't they they don't go hexing people, but, you know, bad stuff tends to happen to people that That have
Jerrold Coe:was witches USA. Yeah. The the author, which to me is like, oh, come on. You know? So are you really not responsible for that then?
Jerrold Coe:You know? Right.
AP Strange:No. It's karma. Karma is okay. Right. Okay.
AP Strange:Well, I gotta ask you because we kinda blew right past this. What are your thoughts on t lobsing a ramp up?
Jerrold Coe:Oh, yeah. Yeah. Mister mister Cyril Hoskin or Cyril Hoskins. Yeah. Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:I mean, he
AP Strange:you know, he For listeners that maybe don't know. Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:So he's this guy yeah. The basic stuff he's this guy. He's British. In the fifties, he published an autobiography called the third eye about being a Tibetan monk and about undergoing literal a literal operation to open up his third eye that which was, like, the culmination of his training as a monk to, like, you know, become more become wise and understand the universe. And it came out almost immediately that this monk was again, he was a British guy named Cyril Hoskin who had never been to Tibet, was not a monk, was not Tibetan, had just completely made up this story.
Jerrold Coe:And the actual, like, Tibetan content in it is interesting because people say like, people peep when I see people who are, like, Tibet Tibetologists or Buddhists in the, you know, in the in the Tibetan tradition, they say he does he's got something where he somehow he knew some of it. Like, he had exposure to some part of it to write some sort of, like, authentic, but where he goes with it is just completely, you know, astral projection, yetis, flying saucers, third eye. And then
AP Strange:Both have, like, contact with his cat.
Jerrold Coe:Yes. Oh, yes. And then he he wrote a story living with the llama, which he wrote he didn't write it. His cat wrote it. He translated it from a Siamese cat language, he said.
AP Strange:Right. Right. That's what it was. It's about
Jerrold Coe:living with him. It's about this cat who thinks he's just so wonderful and wise. And that to me, that's the real thing about Rompa. The thing that, like, it you cannot read his books without pegging him as this mid century British twat. You know?
Jerrold Coe:The way he he is so miserable. He is so miserable. He is so when he attempts to write uplifting stuff like the cat, it's so treacly. It's so, like, insincere. It feels like he's writing beneath him.
Jerrold Coe:Like, he's thinking the you know, these idiots are gonna eat this up. You know, they're gonna love this.
AP Strange:Right.
Jerrold Coe:That's my impression of him. And the things he complained his books. You open up a book, and it'll have, a title like, you know, the thirteenth candle, and you'll think, okay. I'm gonna get, you know, some maybe I'll learn something. You know, maybe I'll and it's just him bitching about the unions, the post office, you know, the foreigners, the feminists, the anyone who pissed him off that day.
Jerrold Coe:He's gonna write in how there's one story he tells about a Welsh guy who is so mad at the English, which is so unfair because the English have never done anything to anyone. You know, the British, however you chop up The UK to you know? So the Welsh there's a Welsh guy who's really mad at the British. And how unfair and Rompa's POV is, you know, this guy is just complaining. He's a whinger.
Jerrold Coe:And then he gets a job as a bus driver for British tourists, and he develops hemorrhoids from sitting down on the bus all day or develops constipation actually is what it is. And then this was part of Rampa's medical stuff because a lot of his books would have, like, a little medical thing about how to treat, you know, folk folk remedies and what his idea about sickness was. And it just the fact that you go into the chapter saying he's going to teach you about medicine, and then you sit through this long story about this horrible, stupid Welshman, you know, and all the what a loser he is. Oh my god. And then he then he can't he gets constipation from sitting on the bus driving the the tourists around.
Jerrold Coe:And it's like, that is, like, a good chunk of most of his books is some long he also thinks he's he loves to make up silly names for people, like like, you know, miss Eugenia, you know, Giant Bottom or something would be a name he would make up for a housewife, you know, something like that. And you've really he's just that a really nasty guy for somebody who's talking about, like, the wonders of the universe and enlightenment and, you know, he's just very I don't I don't know. It's it's it to me, it does peg him just right away just as this this English guy. It's just this, you know, this this small minded provincial mid century Englishman who has his, you know, biases as we all do, you know, and has his background and is really pissed off about it though, and is really gonna wanna tell you about it.
AP Strange:Yeah. Yeah. Interesting character. I mean, he had quite a few books, and I think even a record out. Right?
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. He's got he's got a it's on YouTube about it's about meditation, and it's it's also you listen to it, and he's so full of crap. He starts he's really good at, like, the patter because he talks about he talks about you have to light some incense, and he goes, but not that skinny, you know, measly got a good thick stick of incense. Like, oh, he knows what he's talking about. You know?
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. Okay. Yeah. He's gonna he's gonna lead me on my meditation. Absolutely.
Jerrold Coe:And I wish I could remember the author right now, but there is one of the because, again, when you look when I'm looking them up, there's someone who has a Buddhist site who came into possession of some of his Lobsang Rampas photographs, like personal photographs from his estate after he passed away. And he wrote some very interesting he wrote a very interesting article about it where he said, you know, this guy did travel the world, and he did the things he took pictures of, it was very interesting. His focus was infrastructure, vehicle ships, you know, buildings. There was no he never visited a Buddhist center. You know?
Jerrold Coe:He never you know, he didn't take spiritual photos. He Mhmm. He took he and if you read his books, he is very into scene setting because he moved around a little bit during his he ended up in a couple of places in Canada because he said he had to flee the press persecution in in England because everyone was pointing out that he was a lying fraud, you know, which was
AP Strange:Right.
Jerrold Coe:That's the other thing he's always on about the press, you know, and the communists. Big news. This what this Buddhist writer online said, which was really really interesting to me. Yeah. He had this real interest in technology and infrastructure infrastructure and, and, like, how things work because a lot of his scene setting in his stories is about, you know, he's living in a port city.
Jerrold Coe:So he'll write about, you know, the ships coming in and the weather and the fog and the voices on the, you know, on the fog, and he'll write about the building that he's in. And and it's it's it's interesting. It almost feels like here's a guy who kinda got trapped, not that I have much sympathy for him, but he kinda got trapped in his persona, you know, of having to write as this monk. When you read his stuff, it kinda, you know, it kinda becomes apparent that that was not necessarily what he wanted to write per se, you know, or what where he really would have written had he been free of that of that persona.
AP Strange:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's pretty interesting stuff. I can't say that I've read enough of his stuff. I do wanna read the the cat story.
AP Strange:I have it. So I I haven't got to it yet.
Jerrold Coe:It's it's oh, man. If you can handle bad, like bad mid century British children's writing, you can handle it.
AP Strange:Alright. Yeah. I mean, I'm all about bad writing. I mean, bad writing can be super entertaining. I gotta say.
AP Strange:As I'm sure you're well aware because you don't really pull any punches when you're writing reviews for these books.
Jerrold Coe:Just I
AP Strange:mean say exactly what it is. Yeah. I
Jerrold Coe:do. Especially, like, I really like the throwbacks, which I recently read, and I recently also read the Sasquatch by Emmy Nair, which I also liked. I would rate them about I I I use a four star rating for the fiction. I rate them both three stars. There's something really nice about a a vintage thriller.
Jerrold Coe:Like, the throwback is only a 140 pages long. You know? It there is no fat on it at all. It, know, it does exactly what the writer wants it to do. It it it delivers.
Jerrold Coe:And to me, you know, I don't read a lot of modern, like, novel, like, genre novel thriller stuff because it's all 400 pages long. And it to me, it's bloated. Like, that's just my personal preference. I like these lean, old thrillers. Or if I read something thick from back in the day, it I'm I'm my my my understanding will be that it'll be worth the time.
Jerrold Coe:You know? It'll be like a really dense involved thing. It won't just happen to be 500 pages long because that's what all books have to be now.
AP Strange:Right. Right. Yeah. Well, speaking of Sasquatch, one of my favorite covers that I've ever seen just because it's absurd, You've covered on your blog is I think it's like the secret of Bigfoot, is it? Yeah.
AP Strange:They're The secret secret origins of Bigfoot.
Jerrold Coe:Why? Warren Smith. By our man, Warren Smith. One of my favorite. I actually I think I prefer I think his favorite books of mine, I prefer above my favorite books of Steiger.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. The secret origins of Bigfoot.
AP Strange:And we'll definitely have to share this cover on Instagram or something because Yes. I think you described it as looking like a seal pup's head hastily applied to, like, some buff dude's body.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. It's a buff hairy guy filmed, like, from above him. Like, you're looking down on him. You can, like, see his hair. And then they've put a they pasted a seal's head above it, like a really weird way to try to make a Bigfoot.
Jerrold Coe:And it's
AP Strange:It's the most awkward looking Bigfoot.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. It doesn't yeah. And it's it's another zebra special from Warren Smith that he wrote in the mid seventies for zebra books, a really cheap publisher. And this is probably the silliest cover because he wrote some pure he wrote some pyramid books, an Atlantis book, this and the that, and they mostly were just here's a model pyramid with weird lighting. It looks cool.
Jerrold Coe:You know, it grabs your interest. But this yeah. God. This is definitely the and this this book, the the actual contents of it were, pretty much just a a reprisal of a previous because he wrote I I think he wrote Strange Abominable Snowman, I think. And then Brad Steiger wrote Abominable Snowman round roughly around the same time.
Jerrold Coe:And they were just the same Fortiana style focused on Bigfoot of random chapters, one chapter at a time, just an anecdote about the subject. And so a few years later, he took what he had written Smith took what he had written in Strange Abominable Snowman, and he just he re actually, I think this book, holds together better, Secret Origins of Bigfoot. He made more of a structure to it, which I actually think works really well. And then he put it out. Because all of his zebra books, they all have titles like that, the secret origins of Bigfoot, you know, strange powers of the pyramids, secret forces of the pyramid.
Jerrold Coe:Sorry. Strange secrets of the Loch Ness monster. And those were all recycled, almost completely recycled from his earlier writing.
AP Strange:Maybe he he eventually threw in the towel. He stopped writing about Fortiana.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. One of his final one of his final ones was UFO Trek, which Zebra Books actually then a couple years later, they republished it with a new title, the book of encounters. Yeah. Presumably, maybe it didn't sell as well as they wanted, and they give it a cool holographic some holographic effect there. Cool.
Jerrold Coe:Hold it up for the Yeah. Benefit of our host. And then I think his very last one is ancient mysteries in the Mexican and Mayan pyramids. But what I think happened, this is something which I find interesting. In UFO Trek, he has one chapter about, heaven's gate, which at that time, you know, there's Bo and Peep, T and Doe, the two the all the pseudonyms.
Jerrold Coe:They were Marshall Applewhite and Bonnie Neville's were going by. And he writes very critically of them, very and he even, like, even quotes a different UFO cultist who says, these guys are bad news. I don't like what they're about. Somebody's gonna get hurt. And he ends.
Jerrold Coe:Like, he says, you know, this is not you know, this is bad news. What's this all about? Steiger, wrote a promotional volume for them around the same time called UFO Missionaries Extraordinary, which has a little bit of, like, oh, gee. You know? Maybe it's dangerous, but it's pretty much it's you know, you're you're promoting it.
Jerrold Coe:You're putting it all out there. You're putting the writing of of Marshall Appwhite out there. You're spreading it. And he did that a lot. Stiger did that for so many different frauds and grifters, and he did that for the Huna magic, people, the the howlies in Hawaii who claimed to have discovered the authentic indigenous Hawaiian magic, but it was actually just made up by white people.
Jerrold Coe:It wasn't actually indigenous culture at all.
AP Strange:But he he kind of recycled that into books a bunch of times.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. Yeah. Then he recycled coming back to that. Yeah. He recycled that into his Jadu rip off, his rip off of John Kiel's Jadu, which he which was something about The Orient, you know, strange powers of The Orient or something about something like that, which was, again, just chapter after chapter of here's a random anecdote tangentially connected to, quote, unquote, the Orient, including, Kumar, the Hindu faker, who's actually a guy from, like, the Midwest, a white guy from Mid Midwest who did an act where he he dressed up as a Hindu guy and did, like, feats of strength.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. It's kind of weird that that got into a book about Asia. Yeah. But Styro was just he was just going through his drawers and just saying, you know, okay. Well, here, I'll I'll throw this Komar chapter in.
Jerrold Coe:Because he wrote a whole book about Komar. And, yeah, he took chapters from the Huna magic book, and he threw those in there too. Yeah. As you said. But but I think going to
AP Strange:Well, didn't he even include the Huna stuff in the Native American magic book that he Okay.
Jerrold Coe:Yes. Oh, yeah. Because he wrote the American Indian and the occult.
AP Strange:Right.
Jerrold Coe:And he wrote a ton of American Indian stuff after. I think this might be as Christopher Dane, this might be the earliest one he did, and it looks legit. You know? Like, I'm gonna hold it. It looks like it should be a decent reference volume.
Jerrold Coe:And if you don't know who Christopher Dane is, but then you read it, and it is again, it's the same 40 in, chapter after chapter, and it's just some of it is just complete nonsense. Some of it's obviously nonsense. Some of it's just here's an unsourced anecdote, and very little of it has to do with the actual non nominal, like, title and subject matter of actually relating the occult what we understand as the occult to any kind of indigenous, you know, tradition or people. It's yeah. I think the Huna oh, and what I what I also love, I'm I'm flipping through it, when you see the cigarette ads and
AP Strange:Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:Kent Kent has the Micronite filter. This is after they took the asbestos out. Because in the fifties, they had the asbestos filter, and they eventually changed it out for cellulose. So instead of actively giving you more cancer, it just wouldn't stop the cancer you're already getting.
AP Strange:Right. Right.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. The Huna magic stuff, he was stuck on that. He was really stuck. He wrote a lot of later Native American stuff, which I haven't read. And that's the thing too where him and Smith kinda they kinda cleave Smith.
Jerrold Coe:Like you said, he throws in the towel. And he in the eighties, Warren Smith, he writes some westerns. He writes some family epics like the John Jake style of, you know, American families going through history. And then he retires from writing at the end of the eighties, and he passes away in the early two thousands. Stiger keeps writing new age stuff almost up until the day he dies in 2018.
Jerrold Coe:Like, I some of his late at last, I think, like, 2015 or something, and he keeps recycling his old stuff. He he he starts writing, like, encyclopedia type volumes where he can just Mhmm. Literally just take all his old stories and just dump them in. And he gets on the starseed train in the late seventies, which to me seems to be the real pivot point between him and Warren Smith because, you know
AP Strange:Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:Tiger pretty much invented the whole starseed concept, at least under that name. And then that would that would permutate into, you know, indigo children and and, you know, all of the all of the new age alien stuff. And it seemed to me kinda like Smith is writing this stuff very mercenary just as, you know, just a means to an end and perhaps doesn't want to actually buy into this this new age stuff or become like a guru. You know? Where where Steiger is writing it, and he he writes
AP Strange:Yeah. He's fine with it.
Jerrold Coe:He's fine with it. He writes revelation, the divine fire in the seventies, which is about what he sees as part of it is about what he sees as this this is pretty, like, general. Like, you see this with Jacques Vallee, and you see this with a lot of a lot of people theorizing What is the the commonality between what we consider all kinds of experiences, UFO and religious and, you know, paranormal? What is the commonality there? And and and he focused on on revelation in this text, the sort of religious experience.
AP Strange:And Now didn't did he he claimed to be a starseed himself, or was that his wife?
Jerrold Coe:His wife I know his wife, his his second wife, he I there's a whole thing about him untangling his marriages. He either was married two or three times. Someone else is someone has done good work on this online. I just haven't read it. His wife, yeah, his wife was a starseed.
Jerrold Coe:He, in an interview with Timothy Green Beckley in the eighties, he talks about he had an early near death experience as a child. He also saw an elf as a child. So that's that for him, that was his what drew him into that subject matter. And I think when you even look at his name, you know, changing his name from Eugene Olsen to Brad Steiger, you know, that there is to me, there's a search for identity through his whole career, which culminates in that. Whereas when Warren Smith uses a pseudonym, it's just because that's what you need to do in the business sometimes.
Jerrold Coe:You know? Like, Warren Smith's name was Warren Smith. Sometimes he had to use a pseudonym. You know? Brad Stiger's name was Brad Stiger after he changed it from Eugene Olsen.
Jerrold Coe:Right. Yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. That's that's super interesting. I mean, it's it kind of makes you think differently about a lot of these books because like I said, I I always grew up with Steiger just being another name on the shelf along next to Keel and, Heineck and, you know, all the other authors I had there, know. But it it's it's kinda funny and I I think you had mentioned earlier, he he chose the name Steiger because of the actor Rod Steiger.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. He said his favorite actor was Rod Steiger, so that influenced his choice. And I think he he also I think he said Brad was just a, you know, strong name to use.
AP Strange:Yeah. It's a it's it's a good it's a good good guy name. You know? I always thought it was kind of an odd name, though.
Jerrold Coe:Like, Steiger. You know? It always tweaked yours tweaked it somehow.
AP Strange:Yeah. I mean, just Brad. The Brad part stuck out to me for whatever reason. Seemed like an odd name for that time period, but Right. Right.
Jerrold Coe:How many parents were naming their kids Brad back then?
AP Strange:Maybe they were. I guess I don't know. But yeah. I mean and it's funny because you seem to be pretty good friends with Timothy Green Beckley. I found an old issue from the eighties of one of Beckley's magazines and it just almost seems to be a Stiger advertisement all the way through.
AP Strange:Every page has like articles by Brad Stiger or ads for things that he was doing.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. This this interview was really it was a long interview. Like, you know, it it started. It was two two or three pages, and then it says, you know, go to page 80 or whatever. And then it like, the back end of the magazine was most of it.
Jerrold Coe:It was like it was a, like, 10 page interview that he had done. It was I I post I posted it, to my blog to into the archive. So Yeah. It it talks about, his early life experiences, and then it it gets into his whole he's, you know, Tiger had he kinda had the ultra terrestrial thing going on, the trickster thing going on as sort of his way of of of theorizing about different phenomenon, putting them together. And I can't I can't recall if he actually goes into starseed stuff in this specific interview, but that is where he was at at the time was this, yeah, this big time paranormal theorist kinda putting it all together.
AP Strange:Yeah. Yeah. And then later on, he wrote about, like, psychic animals too.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. Yeah. What's it? What's is is it cats incredible or cats amazing or something where
AP Strange:Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. That was one of the ones he co wrote with his wife at the time. So Yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. And I had mentioned earlier, I found a copy of that and I ended up sending it to Stephanie Quick. So, found a found a good home with her. Found a good play. Yeah.
AP Strange:Good hands. But I I I think it was because some of those stories appeared in a different book that he wrote. And I was like, I think I already have this one. That's funny because you
Jerrold Coe:said of this.
AP Strange:Yeah, well, you end up thinking like you're going crazy or you have double copies of stuff, but it's really just you've read that same story by the same writer in a different volume. Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:Oh my god. My my favorite thing that Warren Smith did for his zebra books, for the myth and mystery of Atlantis. He has a chapter in here about Hitler and Atlantis. And I I was reading like, this this seems pretty familiar. It's his hollow earth book has a chapter Hitler on the hollow earth.
Jerrold Coe:And it's literally the same chapter, but with Atlantis, replacing Hollow Earth, literally going through the the the text and just find and replace Hollow Earth with Atlantis. It's got the same, like, viewer written, the Vril, and all that as the background, And then it wasn't but it literally ends it just says instead of being obsessed with the hollow earth, Hitler was obsessed with Atlantis. And, yeah, that's the chapter.
AP Strange:Which is mostly pulled from, mourning and the magicians anyway. Right?
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. Not yeah. Not don't don't be relying on Warren Smith for your your World War two historical
AP Strange:Yeah. Wow. That's funny. Okay. Well, what what do you do you have, like, a weirdest book?
AP Strange:Is there something that you found that just really boggled your mind or stood out as spectacularly weird?
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. There's a couple.
AP Strange:There's Or strange, I should say. I guess That's very strange.
Jerrold Coe:Let's yeah. Let me get the strangest book I can for for AP strange. Well, this one's just fun. Cha Manx's psychic diary of the stars with an introduction by Brad Stiger, the celebrity psychic astrologer Cha Manx. And it's
AP Strange:just Mank.
Jerrold Coe:Okay. One of those mid century characters.
AP Strange:I gotta say, you stumped me. I've never heard of that one, that guy before.
Jerrold Coe:I think if you if you look him up, he he probably had a column that he did about Right. Because it's all this is all focused on Jackie O, Frank Sinatra, Sharon Tate, Bill Cosby, The Beatles, Mia Farrow. Just that's another interesting we could spend a fucking hour on celebrity psychic stuff from the mid century about what all the psychics were were saying, about Jackie O. She's probably gonna get married again. You know?
Jerrold Coe:That's what my psychic sense tells me.
AP Strange:Right.
Jerrold Coe:Weird strangest books, the pro phrenology book from the seventies.
AP Strange:Wow.
Jerrold Coe:Phrenology, secrets revealed by your face and head by a guy named Debbie Sonaro, who also wrote a hypnosis book, but those are his only two credits for for books. This yeah. Very a pro chronology book from 1970. Yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. Well, it's a that it it was time for your phonology to make a comeback
Jerrold Coe:in 1970. I'm sure we can make it come back again now in our day and age.
AP Strange:That sounds like some real Maha reading material.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Don't let RFK junior see this, because his head, I'm sure, has some issues. I'm I'm just gonna hold up, one of the many illustrations inside.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. If you have a big dent in the middle of your head, that is a small veneration, and it's, it's a problem.
AP Strange:Right.
Jerrold Coe:The funny thing, you know, about that pseudoscience, it's it it it wants to have its cake and eat it too when you read this specific text because it says, everybody knows phrenology has a bad reputation, but that's only because you expect it to be 100% accurate. And it doesn't say everything about your personality. It only says, like, 85 about your personality. You know, like, we're they're trying to make it sound more convincing just by hedging everything. And then it's like, okay.
Jerrold Coe:But what does it actually yeah. That's a good one. That one scanned it up on the archive. Got lots of illustrations about people's head bumps in there. Another another one I really like is another these are both tower books from tower the Tower Belmont, the very good cheap publisher.
Jerrold Coe:And this one is called who? Me fly? And it is a self help promotional book for people to pilot light aircraft. Yes. You fly.
Jerrold Coe:Do it yourself flying is in. Here's what it takes to fly. And so this is targeting people, telling them flying is efficient. It's you can fly your whole family out hundreds of miles to you know, you can fly them out to Michigan and go fishing or whatever. Skip the car rides.
Jerrold Coe:Skip the traffic. It's it's cheap. It's easy to learn. And my favorite thing is that the book even comes with promotional coupons. Get $5 off.
Jerrold Coe:Your Cessna dealer will put you in the controls of a Cessna one fifty. We'll take $5 off your first flying lesson with
AP Strange:these coupons. It comes with coupons. Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:And just
AP Strange:Those like green stamps too. Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:You know, light air, it's such a dangerous hobby.
AP Strange:Yeah. To
Jerrold Coe:to be doing a promotional volume for it. I mean, one of the Yeah.
AP Strange:I wouldn't I wouldn't wanna learn how to fly an aircraft through correspondence. The I feel like you need somebody there for that.
Jerrold Coe:No. You just it says you just gotta read this book, and it even says at the very end, like, you know, this book won't teach you everything. But now that you've read it, you're, you know, you're ready to start. I mean, one of the nicknames for the the the Beechcraft Bonanza, that light doesn't isn't that one nicknamed, like, the dentist killer or something? Because so many you know, because the stereotype is that dentists, you know, they get rich enough.
Jerrold Coe:They buy their own plane, and then they they crash and die in it. Yeah. On the forward is by Skitch Henderson, who is some, mid century guy. I looked him up. NBC television star, composer, conductor, and musician, and he is a big advocate of flying your own personal aircraft, flying your whole family, all across the country.
Jerrold Coe:Another very interesting and very, a lot of it's it's a it's a book by a holocaust denier, and it's as is so typical in this genre, it's it's somebody trying to avoid revealing that about themselves. It's Yeah. It's the lost tribes from outer space, and the cover art there's very nice cover art for this British edition from Corgi is, an old biblical looking, like, Moses looking guy in a spacesuit with a star of David on his spacesuit. So, obviously, the Jews are from outer space. You know?
Jerrold Coe:That's where it's by a guy named Mark Dem, which was a pseudonym pen name for a French holocaust denier. You know, straight that's what he was. And he says he has a prefatory note. It is not my intention to give antisemitism any support whatsoever. Anyone who reads this book will, I believe, be entirely convinced of that.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. The book's thesis is that, Jewish people were invented by the evil alien computer god, Yahweh, to destroy the Earth. And Uh-huh. Jesus was a rebel alien who sacrificed himself to stop that from happening. So that's but there's nothing untoward about you know, there's nothing there's no
AP Strange:Right. What So, basically, he has he has a note, an author's note that says, I'm not racist. But
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. Literally. Yes. That's and, you know, this was published in America too. This was published by Corgi, published by some, like, you know, major publisher in America, sitting on the shelf next to all the other, ancient astronaut books, which are all not all, all, all, but, you know, varying degrees of, you know, racist and bizarre and and pseudoscientific.
Jerrold Coe:But to me, that book sticks out for how blatant it is and how it really kinda kinda, like, tightens up your view. And then you see, yeah, you see Von Daniken. You know? You see because, I mean, there's, Jason Colavito has a nice article on his website about the astonishing racial claims of Eric Von Daniken from one of his lesser eighties sequels he wrote that where he he writes about, did the aliens engineer black people to be good at basketball? You know?
Jerrold Coe:I'm just asking questions. And, I mean, yeah, obviously, you you step foot into this scene, and you just start tripping over this stuff. So that sticks out to me as, like, a very, like, kind of what's what's the word for it where it just kinda sums up a large part of of of something, just the existence of this the the lost tribes from outer space.
AP Strange:Yeah. I mean, it's yeah. It's it's a good well, now I can't think of a word for it. I feel like I had one. It's an avatar for that kind
Jerrold Coe:of thing. Yes. Yes. It's an yeah. It's an avatar for the whole and I got a few just a few more crazy books.
Jerrold Coe:I got Yeah.
AP Strange:Well, I just wanna say, I appreciate that in your reviews that you don't shy away for pointing things like that out because, I feel like in in this era that that you're covering especially, but even more recently up and up through like the nineties and early two thousands, it was just kinda like bad etiquette to point out that Yeah. People are saying some fucked up stuff and so like within 40 on it. It's like, look, we all have fringe beliefs here. So it's kinda rude to say that that guy's crazy beliefs are
Jerrold Coe:Just because he's problem. Yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. Well, no. Like, we we really should consider this. Like, maybe Jews did come from space to
Jerrold Coe:this point. You know? God. The, Ernst Zundel, the holocaust denier, you know, because he would put ads out in fate for his Hitler UFO books, and he literally explained he did it, one, to raise money to write more books about how the holocaust didn't happen and how Hitler was wonderful. Literally, one of his book titles is like, the Hitler we knew and loved.
Jerrold Coe:Right. He also said, you know, it was a good way to get people's eyeballs on his stuff. And he said, you know, you could start you start off with the really crazy alien Hitler stuff, and then you start drip feeding. You know? Well, you know what else is pretty crazy?
Jerrold Coe:You know? And then you've got the Holocaust denial. You go right into that, and you get people kind of enmeshed in that. And Right. You do it with the wacky I mean, I think of it, you know, the way
AP Strange:And it seems, yeah, it seems more down to earth because you like are talking about historical events, you know, as opposed to the the way out there outer space stuff. While at the same time you're leading people down this trail of like bigotry and like race science or, like, whatever it may be. You know? It's just
Jerrold Coe:And you've you've already got them in the headspace of accepting wild stuff where you know? Yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. If Hitler is now
Jerrold Coe:a saucer base in Antarctica, you know, then it's not that much further to go to the atrocity denial.
AP Strange:Right. Yeah. And and it's it's horrible, but this stuff is completely interwoven in in all of the weird and and you you can't just yank it out, You just gotta point out where it is so that people are aware of it. It's like putting little flags on landmines, you know?
Jerrold Coe:A little dog turds on the yard and the little flags on the
AP Strange:Right, yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So you you I appreciate that you do that because sometimes people just don't even wanna touch it, so they just don't bother. You know?
Jerrold Coe:Oh, and I think sometimes too, like, again, like, it's bad etiquette or it's like, it's just wacky. Like, I want like, Alex Jones, in my opinion, he does a lot of the same thing where he tries to the whole gay frogs thing Yeah. That was a meme. He was taking a real issue of industrial pollution, of pesticide pollution, and he was twisting it into the Jewish communists wanna make you gay. You know?
Jerrold Coe:He was he was diverting from a real issue, which is his job, and he was directing towards this nonsensical of a very serious kind of kind of thing and doing it in a way which sounds ridiculous. Like, oh, it's funny. Gay frogs. You know? It's ridiculous.
Jerrold Coe:But it's, you know, it's it's a it's a funnel. So Yeah. Yep. Yep. See.
Jerrold Coe:Sex and Satanism by Brad Steiger. Another good one.
AP Strange:Yeah. Classic.
Jerrold Coe:Classic. Classic. Well well loved. You keep it on your bedside table. 1969.
AP Strange:What year was that? Like, 1972?
Jerrold Coe:1969.
AP Strange:'69. Wow. Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:Rosemary because
AP Strange:I feel like I feel like there were a bunch of horror movies that came out around that time of, satanic sex cults. Yes. And they all feel like the same movie to me, so I can never remember which one's which. Like, Blood on Satan's Claw and, like
Jerrold Coe:Well, devil's reign has Ernest Borg nine. That's how I remember that one.
AP Strange:Yeah. That was a little later. That was Oh, yeah. Mid seventies. Yeah.
AP Strange:But, yeah, like, late sixties into into the early seventies had had a bunch that were, like, I think nude for Satan was one of them.
Jerrold Coe:I had a few British ones, which I can't keep. Like, you mentioned Blood on Satan's Claw. There's a few other British ones I can't keep apart in my head that are
AP Strange:all I can't either. They all they're all just blended into one movie. But, yeah, I figured it had to be from that time period.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. And then, of course, Steiger and Smith also wrote actually, I think these are both Smith, wrote some sexy erotica, Martinis, Manhattans, or Me There you go. By Barbara O'Brien with a very attractive seventies brunette lady on the cover in a bar. Wait. This is base
AP Strange:this is basically Brian.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. The name of the woman who wrote operators and things.
AP Strange:Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. That is a weird someone online has pointed that out as a synchronicity, and I think it truly I think it truly is just a, you know, total Weird coincidence. Coincidence. But given Warren Smith's normal subject matter at the time, you know, it does it does give you pause. And this is just this is a rip off of coffee to your me, the supposed stewardess, tell all written by a man in the seventies, you know, like, in the whole happy hooker genre.
Jerrold Coe:But it's Warren Smith writing erotica about, you know, there are penises spurting and, you know, there's there's fingers going places. And doing it as, like, a tell all of you know, I'm a I'm a sexy bartender lady, and here's here's the life I live, and here's all the, you know, here's what happens. And, in the back, there's ads for a ton of sex, sociology, and marriage books everyone is buying. The group sex scene, per baby, per, the woman lover, how to make it three hundred 65 a year. Sexual cybernetics.
Jerrold Coe:You know?
AP Strange:Oh, I need that one.
Jerrold Coe:I need that one by doctor Paul Gillette. Trailblazing system for the individual who wants to control his sexual responses. Written for the layman by an eminent psychologist and sexologist. The joy of hooking. Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:You know? Yeah. And then he also wrote as Paul Warren, the sensual male. Oh, yeah. That's literate yeah.
Jerrold Coe:How to make it three hundred and sixty five days a year. So I I was
AP Strange:How to quote make it?
Jerrold Coe:Make it. And it's this one's funny. This one's not as the martinis in Manhattan and Me is, like, at least written as kinda porny. Like, know, there's sex in it and stuff. This one's more like, you know, hey, bro.
Jerrold Coe:A Volvo's not a type of foreign car, dude. You gotta get with it. You know? You gotta understand. Kids, come on, dude.
Jerrold Coe:You gotta learn. Yeah. And, also, this one has, you know, cigarette ads in the middle. So yeah. Which is apropos for a sex book.
Jerrold Coe:You know? You gotta do something afterwards.
AP Strange:Absolutely. One
Jerrold Coe:of my favorites that I just totally stumbled upon by Warren Smith and Eugene Olsen. This is one of Stager's earliest books. He did not have his pen name yet. The Menace of Pet Pills, which is a quick little, like, scaremongering book with a quote by senator Thomas Dodd on it about the pet pill problem.
AP Strange:Don't do speed, kids.
Jerrold Coe:Yep. Don't do speed about truckers doing speed, about kids doing speed. Interesting. Doctor Jolly West has a little slug, little slug quote here, because, of course, he's very you know, he's a he's a big name if if you ever, yeah. Here we go.
Jerrold Coe:People who describe the drug users as thrill seekers are wrong. It's not as simple as that dot dot dot, and that's his entire contribution to the book. But, you know, he's just one of many, authorities quoted here as, you know, having something to say about the issue. And then from Zebra, we have the strange world of Brad, which is this beautiful, bold faced, holographic foil, just random collection of random Brad's Tiger, which I'm sure Huna Magic's in here. My my copy is unfortunately falling apart.
Jerrold Coe:Zebra Books, not the you know, again, a cheap publisher. And then just a couple more here. We have, yeah, Satan's Assassins by Brad Steiger and Warren Smith. Now Steiger's writing as Steiger at this point. I think this is, again, just like, sex and saintism.
Jerrold Coe:This has gotta be oh, this is 1971.
AP Strange:Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:You know, it's oh, Doc Anderson gets in here because he fought a demon. Yeah. Charles Manson, Lee Harvey Oswald, Serhan Serhan. What infamous occult doctrine did Leon Trotsky's killer study in his cell? You know?
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. Tying in every single like, yeah. Lee Harvey Oswald, who were the devil men he spoke of before his death? You know? And then Doc Anderson was a guy Warren Smith just loved to use for, content.
Jerrold Coe:He's one of those mid century psychic stars who again, talking about World War two, in one of, in Warren Smith's Pyramids book, he quite tells a story about Doc Anderson being in Manchuria in World War two, which, of course, he never was. Never was. Never went there. But according to Doc Anderson, him and a buddy were there, and they met a warlord, and they found some secret pyramids, some secret tunnels, and, you know, this, and the other. But Doc Anderson is probably most infamous now for dying in a flash flood and then having wags right in his obituaries that he should have seen it coming.
AP Strange:Oh, yeah. Yep. There you go. I was gonna ask with the Manchuria connection. Did they try to draw a connection to, like, MK Ultra?
AP Strange:Oh, no. Idea.
Jerrold Coe:It was the the connection was because there were some Chinese burial mounds that were described as mystic pyramids, because actually a pilot in World War two flying over the Himalayas into Southern China did see these burial mounds, which are pyramid they flat topped with their pyramid shaped. And he saw them, and he described like this. It was 500 feet tall, and it was gleaming white. You know? And then they find it, and it's a 150 feet tall.
Jerrold Coe:And, know, it's a you know? But still, you know, these impressive Still pretty tall. Yeah. Still these impressive structures. But he was connecting it to that and also to the idea that in Asia, there's all these tunnels that go to, like, Agarta and Hollow Earth and Shangri La.
Jerrold Coe:That that's that's what the connection was there.
AP Strange:Oh, okay.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. Nice tunnels where you can go down and kill some Daros.
Jerrold Coe:Kill some Darrow. Yeah. Damn the Darrows. Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
Jerrold Coe:And then yeah. But, you could get into the shaver stuff, and then you'd really because Steiger totally rode the shaver wave too. You could you could definitely get into that. Yeah.
AP Strange:Well, I think that was like Fred Chrisman's claim was that he was somewhere over in Asia fighting underground creatures in those old tunnels too. So, early on. I have one of the I think it's amazing science fiction, either amazing or astounding. Can't remember now. Where where Chrisman is writing about that.
AP Strange:There's a wild claims. Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:Was was did was he the one who said he machine gunned them, or is that some other guy?
AP Strange:Yeah. That's the one I'm talking about. You know the one. Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:Take this.
AP Strange:Yeah. I mean, that's what's that's what's great when you have the old magazines. And sometimes you can find like the first printing of these these wild claims, is awesome. Really It's hard to find.
Jerrold Coe:Illustrations that they would Yeah. They would make to to to accompany them, which would often not be included in a paperback version or, you know Right.
AP Strange:Yeah. Because as you say, they're very cheaply printed, they didn't have a lot of room for the illustrations.
Jerrold Coe:But if you're lucky, you'll get a map, you know, or Yeah. Yeah. I got another one more really interesting. One of my favorites is this early early cattle mutilation thriller called the mutilators from major books. Mervyn Casey.
Jerrold Coe:Mervyn
AP Strange:Casey. Which was a That sounds like a made up name.
Jerrold Coe:I think it is. I don't think he has any other credits I could find, so I think it's just a total pseudonym. 1976. Okay. Not super early, but still pretty pretty early as far as, like, taking pop culture advantage of of the cattle mutilations.
Jerrold Coe:And this one, actually gets met the way I it got mentioned in the nonfiction book, Mute Evidence by, Daniel Kagan and Ian Summers. They just mentioned this as because it's about human mutilate you know, that goes from because that's the whole tension with the cattle mutilation and the whole drama is, oh, what if they start doing it to people? You know? So in this point, that's what happens. But, again, it's under 200 pages long, lean thriller.
Jerrold Coe:I think I gave it three stars when I reviewed it. Just clean and lean and mean, you know, does does everything it needs to do just right on point. Doesn't overexplain itself, keeps the mystery going. So that one yeah. Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:And then also interesting, though, the cover could this could totally be a random modern western cover. You know? Just, it's a guy being hung, and some other cowboys are looking at him. There's nothing there's no flying saucer on it or black helicopters or even a dead cow or anything. So it's that pro hell, that's probably just generic art they threw on there.
AP Strange:Yeah. Yeah. Repurposed from another So
Jerrold Coe:just like, sorry. Just like Night of the Saucers here uses these little flying saucer models, which I've seen I've seen on other books too. And then one of one of Otto Bender's other books uses the flying submarine from voyage to the bottom of the sea. I don't know if you remember what that craft looked like. Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:Uses that as a UFO, just a UFO on the cover. It's the fly it's the voyage to the bottom of the sea flying submarine.
AP Strange:Yeah. Man, some of these old paperbacks are like the b movies of Fortiana, you know, like Mhmm.
Jerrold Coe:Well, they didn't care too much about copyright either.
AP Strange:Right. Yeah. Yeah. It seemed like there's a good amount of exploitation and cheapness and cheap thrills and
Jerrold Coe:Luridness. Yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. Sensationalism. Yeah. All good stuff. Now you do have an Elvis book that I can see behind you.
AP Strange:That's still what happened?
Jerrold Coe:Yo. Yeah. This is, yeah, straightforward exploitation. Yeah. Three of his closest companions tell a shocking bizarre story.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. Red West, Sunny West, and Dave Hebler as told to Steve Dunlavy. Yeah. Just the last days of Elvis, what went wrong, got her damn wrong, really, like, that that genre of the celebrity, you know, exploitation. It's a thick one.
Jerrold Coe:I read it long ago. I should read it again because I don't remember much about it. Yeah. That's a yeah. Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:Alongside that one grabbed my eye. That one happened to grab my eye. Alongside the Fortiana, I collect a lot of, science fiction, specific books like that that might grab my interest like the Elvis one. Here's a nice old JFK, the case for conspiracy, nice old paperback Right. Which happened to grab my eye.
Jerrold Coe:This one is this is a Manor book from 1976. So, like, maybe the second wave of the JFK books that right after yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. I have way too many JFK conspiracy books.
Jerrold Coe:I don't just because then I would have, you know, a whole shelf of them. So but Do
AP Strange:you have, the Lincoln conspiracy one?
Jerrold Coe:Yes. Yeah. That's on that's around here somewhere. Yeah. God.
Jerrold Coe:I don't know where it is, but, yep, that's that's around here somewhere. I saw a lot of shark books. Got the the Noah's Ark tie in for the the Sun Classics movie, the search for Noah's Ark. Got that one. Oh, got a lot of the, in search of tie ins.
Jerrold Coe:You know?
AP Strange:Yeah. Those are cool.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. Got a lot of those. They're very well. Oh, in search of Dracula. Great book.
Jerrold Coe:There's also an in search of Frankenstein. There's a sequel, trying to do the same thing for Frankenstein that it did for Dracula. I just happened to be lucky enough to see it right here. Yep. Oh, yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. I have both of those.
Jerrold Coe:Oh, yeah. Yes.
AP Strange:Yeah, Redu Florescu, I think he taught somewhere near me. I think he was a professor of, Near East history in Boston somewhere. Mhmm. Yeah. Yep.
AP Strange:And there's another guy that I had talked about before in one of one of my my short lived video series that I did that did Dracula was a woman.
Jerrold Coe:Oh my god, that's
AP Strange:But he was friends with Florescue and his name is not coming to my mind right now but he has a hilarious author photo where he's basically dressed like Dracula. Oh my god. I'll have to send it to you.
Jerrold Coe:Good. He used to. That's and, yeah, these old paperbacks, like, didn't give you that. But I know Steiger in the eighties, he started wearing a cowboy hat and, like, you know, a leather jacket and started really playing up, the western cowboy new age vibe.
AP Strange:Oh, Raymond T. McNally.
Jerrold Coe:Oh, yeah. He yeah. He's co writer. Yeah.
AP Strange:Right. Yeah, so they did work together, yeah. So, but yeah, a lot of wild personalities out there, so. Yeah. And that's half the fun.
AP Strange:Feel like I spent my younger years just reading these books and then putting them aside and not really thinking so much about the authors or where they came from or the writers themselves or necessarily thinking about people in the stories beyond what the stories were. Uh-huh. It's just like I always had this idea in my head of like, oh, there was this ghost story once or there was this one UFO case. But then when you really interrogate who the writers of the stories are and the investigators or the subjects of the stories themselves, sometimes it's like you find all this really wacky interesting stuff. Absolutely.
AP Strange:Which can go a number of ways. Yeah. But in the pulpy paperback world, leans toward hilarity a lot of the time.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah.
AP Strange:So like I said, I do very much appreciate the work that you do and especially you know pointing out the problematic stuff, having a sense of humor about it and showcasing the weird and the sleazy and the pulpy and the really fun stuff on your blog.
Jerrold Coe:Well, you AP. Yeah. Yeah, thanks.
AP Strange:Blew my mind a couple times because I think there was once or twice I would share some you know, story I found in a fake magazine on Twitter, and you'd you'd be able to give me this whole, like, publication history of that story. And I'm like, this is outstanding.
Jerrold Coe:When the stars align, yeah. When the stars align, it works out like that. Yeah.
AP Strange:Listeners definitely go check out paperbacksofthegods.blogspot.com which and you've got a handy keyword bar on the side.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah, yeah. For offers and subject matter and you know maps, post a lot of maps. So if you want to look at a bunch of old maps and just click on the tag and you'll see a bunch of maps.
AP Strange:Bermuda Triangle map. Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:Yes. Which just yeah. The latest one is just out of, I think, the, the saga Bermuda Triangle special edition from 1976, I think, which was
AP Strange:a Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:All Bermuda Triangle special magazine edition, which, yeah, this big not a center not a centerfold centerfold, but the you know, in the center was the the two page Bermuda Triangle map.
AP Strange:Yeah. And then you you had a Loch Ness map up on there too.
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. Oh, I got a Yep. Yeah. And that's that's an ongoing series where I try and find new new Bermuda Triangle maps, new Loch Ness maps that I haven't seen before and Yeah. Online.
AP Strange:And and you upload videos to your YouTube as well?
Jerrold Coe:Yeah. To yeah. Basically, just any old paranormal documentaries. Some some paranormal thrillers, like old public domain type stuff. Again, just like with the books, it just has become like this staggering obsession of just you know, I think I'm up I'm over 200 videos now, and it's it's nothing.
Jerrold Coe:It's I'm just uploading them. You know? This is not, you know, my content. You know? This is just literally just old movies that are being uploaded for the sake of people watching them, to see them, including a lot of classic, UFO documentaries.
Jerrold Coe:Overlords of the UFO, probably one of my favorites of all time. And then also stuff like, self help paranormal self help videos from the eighties and nineties, stuff like how to learn magic, how to how to do crystal work, psychic hotline stuff, I've uploaded a little bit of too. Nice. There's that do you did you watch that very good, documentary about miss Cleo, AP?
AP Strange:I didn't. I I meant to. I I forgot all about it, though.
Jerrold Coe:It's very, very, very good. It go it's really good, because I just threw up a couple of just her old, like, half hour promotional, you know, call me now, but the documentary goes very, very well in-depth about, the business behind her. Really, she's a really tragic, figure, this woman who exploited people and was exploited. Right. Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:So that's that's my recommendation is for everyone if they haven't seen the Miss Cleo documentary to go watch that. Because that also points to, again, the the the underside of all of this this genre type stuff, you know, because she she was a wacky character on TV who, you know, for wacky infomercials and yet, you know, there's all there's there's a reality underneath everything, even even characters.
AP Strange:Yeah. I mean, there's layers upon layers of all of this stuff. So and it's it's really fascinating to keep peeling them back because you never know what you're gonna find. Yeah, okay, well where can people find you online if they wanna, like, follow you on social media? Oh, still on Twitter?
Jerrold Coe:I'm still on the the Twitter. Yeah. I'm on I'm on the blue sky. No. No.
Jerrold Coe:No. Nobody's over there.
AP Strange:It's kind
Jerrold Coe:of a ghost town. Yeah. I think Twitter or just go to blog and just see if see you know, dig through the dig through what I've posted or see if I post anything new. I got lots of peep lots of people would like to comment on the YouTube videos that they remember this film or that film from a kid. The Orson Welles, Nostradamus film, the man who saw tomorrow, that one, tons of people just loved.
Jerrold Coe:They were so like, oh my god. You know? So many people talk about seeing it either on tape or on HBO as a kid in the eighties. So that I really liked I liked seeing that. I liked seeing people react to, to a memory like that and then being able to watch it again.
AP Strange:Yeah. Oh, yeah, man. That's really cool. Well, I'm glad that's out there for people, and I know a lot of my listeners will be happy to know that those are available to them. So so thanks again.
AP Strange:Thanks for coming on, man, and thanks for all the fine work you do.
Jerrold Coe:Thank you, AP, for having me on and for just having everybody on that you do just to, like, talk about stuff in a way that's not you know, I get so sick of, like, the disclosure and the and the monetization and the the, you know, the personality and the you know, it's all gamification. So it's nice to have a space like yours where it's just talking to people, you know, about what they are interested in or what they know or what they've experienced in a way that's just actually, like, you know, just person to person. And it just it it feels so much it it's so authentic to me, and it just yeah. Thank you. Thank you for doing that is what I wanna say.
AP Strange:Oh, man. Well, you're welcome, man. So listeners, we will see you next time, I guess. I don't even know how to end this now. We're just sitting here complimenting each other.
AP Strange:Alright.
Jerrold Coe:Oh, boy.
AP Strange:I'll talk to you soon. Yeah.
Jerrold Coe:Thank you. Alright.