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Money can find me even when I'm a hot mess. Right? Money can find me even when I'm so imperfect and dealing with so much of my own inner b s that I am not evaded by money. And that just relax my own system. Right?
Ry Schwartz:It relax my system so much when I can feel like I'm available to money even when. Right? And if this consciousness of money has this intelligence and this grace, as long as I'm creating this agreement of like, you know, right now I am in intense victimhood and limitation and I welcome you.
Kate Northrup:Have you ever thought that money is a consciousness? So today, I have kind of an eye opening conversation with the money shaman aka Hendrix Black. These are both pen names of this particular person, and he is a really revolutionary thinker about energy and frequency and the consciousness and encoding of money. So if you are really wanting to open up to magnetize more abundance to heal your relationship with money, this conversation is a must listen to because he talks about and describes powerful practices that we can all do to transmute our energetics around money in real time. So enjoy the conversation with the money shaman.
Kate Northrup:Welcome to Plenty. I'm your host Kate Northrup and together we are going on a journey to help you have an incredible relationship with money, time, and energy. And to have abundance on every possible level. Every week, we're gonna dive in with experts and insights to help you unlock a life of plenty. Let's go fill our cups.
Disclaimer:Please note that the opinions and perspectives of the guests on the Plenty podcast are not necessarily reflective of the opinions and perspectives of Kate Northrup or anyone who works within the Kate Northrup brand.
Kate Northrup:Hi. Hey. Welcome. Thank you for being here. I love
Ry Schwartz:how you just switched that on.
Kate Northrup:That was so cool. Yeah. You're just like Like da. My show started.
Ry Schwartz:If I go from like cold to like a warm hay, like it's gonna come out so awkward. It's like, hey. No. That was awesome.
Kate Northrup:Actually, we had a voice lady on this morning, Tracy Goodwin, and, we discussed how within seven seconds, someone has decided based on your opening Right. If they trust you, if they feel connected to you, and if you're authentic, and whether or not they would buy from you. Gosh. No pressure. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Talked about how turning that on that fast and being like, welcome or whatever is actually probably terrible for business. So Yeah. That's a whole other conversation.
Ry Schwartz:I know. Right?
Kate Northrup:But but anyway. Cool. Yes. Welcome to Miami.
Ry Schwartz:I am so happy to be here.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Money. Money.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. So you've been a writer for a long time.
Ry Schwartz:Long time. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Money writing. Making money Yes. Making money writing. So you are a professional writer. Yep.
Kate Northrup:Have been for twenty years. Started off in screenwriting?
Ry Schwartz:Started off in screenwriting in 2000 I would say. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Wow. Yeah. Yeah.
Ry Schwartz:It's been
Kate Northrup:a while. Okay. So you just had stories in your head, and you wanted to write them down? Or how did that happen?
Ry Schwartz:Yeah. So, I mean, I went more through it like a traditional schooling path, marketing, that whole jam. Started working in corporate and it was in 02/1967. So I had always like been a storyteller, not like a verbal storyteller. Right?
Ry Schwartz:I was like the quiet kid in the corner. He's like, don't talk to me about anything. Right? Yeah. But in my alone space bubble, right?
Ry Schwartz:It was like nothing but story, nothing but character, nothing but arcs. Right? And evolutions and you know, all these journeys that I wanted to experience in my own body Mhmm. Yet didn't have enough form and enough life to actually live out. Right?
Ry Schwartz:So I created characters to live these stories out essentially. And that was always true. Right? Like, my idea of fun as like a 15 year old kid was sitting in a coffee shop with like one of my three friends and talking about stories. Right?
Kate Northrup:Yeah. And
Ry Schwartz:one day, like when I was like 15 or 16, like, me and my friend were talking about stories. Right? And we're like, how cool would it be about to have a story about this guy who ages in reverse. Right? I'm like, I should totally write that.
Ry Schwartz:And I didn't. And then in 02/1967, Benjamin Bunn comes out and I'm watching the trailer and I'm like, Hollywood stole it. You know? And of course, they didn't. I found out later it was a short story in 1912 from like Scott F.
Ry Schwartz:Fitzgerald. Right? But in my in my mind, they stole And I'm like, they'll never do that again.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Ry Schwartz:Right? Yeah. I hated my job. Right? Hated my corporate job.
Ry Schwartz:And this was kind of like, yeah, at the beginning of kinda like February when, you know, recession was hitting and layoffs were coming from every direction. I'm like, I wanna get laid off. I wanna write screenplays all day. So I started learning how to write scripts, like, at the office, like, in the cubicle. Yeah.
Ry Schwartz:And the stories just started flowing. And I wrote my first screenplay, like, literally, like, while trying to get laid off. And I didn't get laid off, so I just quit and started writing full time right there and then. And I was so naive and that was such a superpower at that time. Right?
Ry Schwartz:Like, I thought it should be easy. I felt entitled to the ease of, of course this is gonna happen. Right? And these rules of it being hard to break in just never felt like they applied. I'm like, that's someone else's game.
Ry Schwartz:Like, that's not my game. So I remember like sitting in suburban Montreal, right? Just like getting lists of agents and production companies. And you know, the first time I saw CAA, which is like the biggest agency there, I'm like, CAA? I'll call CAA.
Ry Schwartz:Why wouldn't I call CAA?
Kate Northrup:Off CAA. I think
Ry Schwartz:I I think I literally like called CAA and got the receptionist. I'm like, is this CAA? And, you know, quick hang up. But there was just like such a belief in what I was doing and such a belief in the stories I was telling that I'm like, of course, this is gonna happen. So within a matter of like two or three months, I had my first manager in that space and Wow.
Ry Schwartz:Things just kind of like started, you know, spiraling from there. So,
Kate Northrup:yeah. Was cool.
Ry Schwartz:It was so much fun.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. So much fun. Yeah. I think that what you're speaking to about just being like, oh, yeah. No.
Kate Northrup:This being hard doesn't apply to me. Right. That's not gonna be my experience, is probably why you just took all the actions you took, and why it did end up being perhaps easier Right. Than it might be for someone who has the paradigm that it's gonna be hard.
Ry Schwartz:Reflected on that, and I think there was a huge advantage in living in Montreal at the time. Right? And not in whatever morphic field is created out of Hollywood screenwriting and what it means to be one and what it means to try to break in as one. Right? And I never got exposure to the quote unquote agreements that people make when they play that game.
Ry Schwartz:Right? Like it just wasn't You just
Kate Northrup:didn't know.
Ry Schwartz:It wasn't part of my reality. Right?
Kate Northrup:Beautiful.
Ry Schwartz:So in the agreement I made around a screenwriting career was like, I will write an epic script. I will, you know, write a few agents and producers who would be so so fortunate to get their hands on it. And in my mind, they're so lucky. Right?
Kate Northrup:I'm like, I'm giving you the opportunity to read my script.
Ry Schwartz:Right? Whereas in that ecosystem, you're battling and fighting and jockeying for attention and having this anxious energy about it and that just wasn't my reality. Right? So it was a fun game to play. Right?
Ry Schwartz:With that level of So
Kate Northrup:much. Yeah. So I found you well, it turns out I knew you before. But I thought that I came across you from your book, Shadow Money, which we have right here as the money shaman. I heard you on Kelly Brogan's podcast.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. And I actually had never listened to an episode of her podcast before, but I've known Kelly for a very long time. And her podcast kept being suggested to me. Okay. So I was like, well, surely if the podcast app thinks I would like it, maybe I will.
Kate Northrup:So I go in and I see all the episodes and I see the money shaman, and I'm like, what's this? Mhmm. So I listen, I love the episode, and I get you know, and then I reached out and got your book at the same time to see if you would come. And I'm curious, but actually now it makes sense given you explaining what you were like at 15. But most people, I don't think are like, great, let me embody this different identity
Ry Schwartz:Sure.
Kate Northrup:To write a book. Right. How did that happen, and why did you where did the money shaman come from?
Ry Schwartz:Gosh. That's a good question. Yeah. I think one major component to it is that for I mean decades ever since I can like imagine being a human, I've had nowhere to really hang my existential hat. Right?
Ry Schwartz:Like there's never been a solidity of a claim of I am a screenwriter. Right? And I write movies or I am a copywriter and I write for launches or I am a relationship coach. Like there's just been kind of this fluidity between roles and what I can embody in every given moment, right? And what I noticed and I noticed this early on in my screenwriting career just less consciously and I did it less intentionally.
Ry Schwartz:Right? But the name Hendrix Black, which is another one of my pen names first came to me as a screenwriter. Right? Oh. And I realized that the way I would write as Ryan Schwartz was very different than how I would write when I put Hendrix Black on a title page.
Ry Schwartz:Right? I'm like, there's something to this. That's so cool. Ryan Schwartz is a little bit timid. He takes a little less risks.
Ry Schwartz:Right? Whereas Hendrix Black seems to just not give us. Right? Exactly. Just say it.
Ry Schwartz:Just go to the places where Ryan Schwartz wouldn't. Right? And it wasn't necessarily this alter ego thing. It was what I felt or experienced as this new set of energetic clothing. Right?
Ry Schwartz:That it would just be there. It wasn't this conscious intentional thing that I needed to do to be that. It was kind of this energy signature I would just tap into and click into and I would be that. Right? So I guess one thing I learned that still feels very much true as I embody these different roles is different names have different energy signatures that have access to different pools of information.
Ry Schwartz:Right? So when I'm writing as Hendrix Black, it seems like he has immediate instant access to insight in certain realms that it just pours through. Right? Whether that's in one on one client sessions or in book writing.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Ry Schwartz:It's just there. Right? And same with Money Shaman. So yeah. That is wild.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. It's interesting because right before you came, I was chatting with a different guest, and she actually started her business under a pseudonym. Mhmm. Because her business is around sexuality.
Ry Schwartz:Right.
Kate Northrup:And she was working in finance. Mhmm. And she just knew it wouldn't be okay. And she said the same thing. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Which is that she just suddenly was in under the new name. And like there wasn't an issue of like, oh, now I have to unravel all this old patterning and whatever, and I have to find a way to will myself to be It was just like, nope. When I put on these heels and this outfit and I'm in this name, I am her. The end.
Ry Schwartz:Right. Yeah. It's So cool. Because it's not this linear thing where you have to drop a story and change identity. Right?
Ry Schwartz:It's like
Kate Northrup:Once again, that takes time and amateur therapy and blah blah blah. One the of things I loved in your book, Shadow Money, was this invitation to go all in and do all the practices. Right. Of course. Mhmm.
Kate Northrup:That you said, and also if you don't Mhmm. It will still change you.
Ry Schwartz:Yes. Absolutely.
Kate Northrup:Just that, I was reading it and I was like, gosh, this is audacious. Mhmm. And and I love it. And I love it because as a writer
Ry Schwartz:Yep.
Kate Northrup:I can feel myself
Ry Schwartz:Mhmm.
Kate Northrup:Sometimes, and it depends on where I am in my cycle, and it depends on how spicy I'm feeling, all of those things. But I can find myself sometimes backing away
Ry Schwartz:Right.
Kate Northrup:From the command. Yeah. Or backing away from what I know is true, and what I know is true is that it is true that an energy signature when you read it and when you engage with a text is going to change you even if you don't do the exercise.
Ry Schwartz:100%.
Kate Northrup:That alone because there's a there's a what is that? Like, tell me more.
Ry Schwartz:It's a transmission is really the short way of saying it. Right? And if I were to try to break that down scientifically, I would fail miserably. Right? But essentially, it's this.
Ry Schwartz:Right? I'm writing from a certain place of awareness, place of consciousness. It's streaming from a source of intelligence that is quote unquote beyond me, but also being embodied through me. Right? And a reader is connecting with that.
Ry Schwartz:Right? So there is an energetic reconfiguration happening through that exchange. Right? That's really the simple version of it. And I remember writing that in the book.
Ry Schwartz:Right? I remember wanting to communicate this sense of inherent relaxness and ease I was feeling from the consciousness of money, right? Where so many of the teachings that I had consumed in, you know, the manifestation space or the, know, heal all your shadow space, right? All these spaces always felt like the reward was on the other side of quote unquote the work. Right?
Ry Schwartz:And that as long as I have these blocks and these beliefs and these agreements and these shadows and these ancestral patterns, I can't be that or I can't have that. Right? And that just felt like such a such an unwinnable game. And even if it were winnable, who is the character playing it within it? Right?
Ry Schwartz:So I think one of the key messages that I received while writing this book was essentially creating this, I think I called like reality distortion fields, right? Where money can find me even when I'm a hot mess. Right? Money can find me even when I'm so imperfect and dealing with so much of my own inner BS that I am not evaded by money. Right?
Ry Schwartz:And that's just relax my own system. Right? It relax my system so much when I could feel like I'm available to money even when. Right? And if this consciousness of money has this intelligence and this grace as long as I'm creating this agreement of like, you know, right now I am in intense victimhood and limitation and I welcome you.
Ry Schwartz:Right? And you are welcome here. Right? It's just a greater, more inclusive, expansive way of operating even as we do the work. So
Kate Northrup:It's so beautiful. And I don't know if you know that our what what we do in this company is we teach a program called Relaxed Mind. So the fact that you're using that word is so resonant with me, and anything we can do to find safety and relaxation in our systems is gonna be magnetic to money and everyone else. Because we know when we're with someone who's anxious, desperate, hypervigilant, any of those things, it can be actually quite repulsive energetically. It doesn't feel good.
Kate Northrup:At least maybe sometimes we actually can be a match, so maybe you know, as we change over time, it feels worse and worse. But but for money as well, which you talk about that money is a consciousness. Right. So what is money?
Ry Schwartz:Gosh. Yeah. So I'm just gonna, like, give the most basic definition. Right? We could say it is and we could say that it's an entry of means.
Ry Schwartz:Right? We could say that it has power. We could say that it is used as currency as exchange. Right? But what I was receiving is, like, those limitations are as limiting as saying a human is a worker or a human is a producer or a human is this.
Ry Schwartz:Right? It's undignified Right. To some degree. Right? So money is ultimately a consciousness that gets expressed through these ways of operation.
Ry Schwartz:Right? It is used as a way of value exchange. It is used as a way of, you know, yep, exchanging value, creating value. Right? And all these ways are beautiful, but at its core root, I see it and view it and experience it as a consciousness just like we are seeking healing resolution and wholeness.
Ry Schwartz:Right? And money is on that journey as well. Right? There is wounded money. There is money that is more, I guess, healed on its journey, and it kind of seeks those stewards who can welcome it with awareness, with consciousness.
Ry Schwartz:Right? Recirculate it with gratitude. Right? And just be aware of what they're working with in that exchange. So
Kate Northrup:So in your concept, when money comes through us and we're relating to it in ways that are not rooted in shadow and projection. Right? So ways that are are more awake or healthier, more loving, then we actually are shifting the energy of money as it comes through
Ry Schwartz:us. Absolutely.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. It's funny that so I was reading this, and I was reminded, I had a client who works with big money, like multi million, you know, like $103,100,000,000 dollar funds, and she's working with people who are billionaires all the time. Right. And she comes from money. Yep.
Kate Northrup:And I remember I said to her a couple years ago, I said because we were just kind of talking about the energy of money and the energy of capital and and, like, where it comes from, where it's been, and how I don't know if the word that comes to me is like corroded the system has been historically. And I said to her, all money is dirty money, and it wants to be healed through you.
Ry Schwartz:That's exactly it.
Kate Northrup:And it was so cool to essentially read a similar concept, and I was like, then maybe it's true. Yeah. There you Like, I feel like when people from disparate backgrounds Mhmm. Different corners of the world Mhmm. Come to the same conclusion Right.
Kate Northrup:It must be true. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. So did that just drop in for you?
Ry Schwartz:That just dropped in. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Like where do you remember where you were sitting?
Ry Schwartz:I was working with a client. Okay. Right? In a totally different context. Right?
Ry Schwartz:It wasn't even in let's heal our money stuff context. Right? But we were going over her different sources of revenue. Okay. Right?
Ry Schwartz:You know, she had her business revenue that was coming in through, you know, the services she was offering. And she was also working with an inheritance. Right? She was dealing with some family stuff. Right?
Ry Schwartz:And there was some conflict around how much she should be getting. Right? And a bit of family turmoil there. Right? It became immediately clear that like, know, this money isn't the same as this money.
Ry Schwartz:Right? This one here has a ton of charge. Right? It feels like there's violence within it. Right?
Ry Schwartz:That as it's arriving, it's arriving with this signature of chaos. Right? And is it the money's fault? No. Right?
Ry Schwartz:But money is of the water element in my belief and experience, and it's highly impressionable to the energies that are projected onto it. Right? So when that money is passing through channels with conflict, with anger, with hostility, with senses of victimhood, with senses of control or oppression or all these signatures, money is recrystallizing around these intents. Right? And then when it arrives in someone's field, they're relating with something that you could say has certain distortions.
Ry Schwartz:And those distortions are gonna manifest how they manifest depending on the constitution of that person. Right? Whereas this revenue source that was coming from her service was very clean, was very light. Right? Her clients were so grateful for the work she was doing.
Ry Schwartz:There was a sense that they were getting tremendous value from the work she was doing and she felt tremendously rewarded for that service. Right? That felt pristine, almost like it was life giving and nourishing. So that's really kind of one of the initial signals I had. Right?
Ry Schwartz:That like, not all money is the same. Right? There are different vibratory qualities to it depending on the journey it's passed through, depending on the intent that has been impressed upon it. Right? You can look at a much larger example that of, know, lottery wins.
Ry Schwartz:Right? And there's so much data around, you know, the chaos that often ensues through massive windfalls. Right? And there could be a multitude of theories of why that happens. Right?
Ry Schwartz:And you could look at it through many different lenses. But from my perspective, a lottery is essentially made up of millions of people who have bought $10 of ticket with a certain complex of save me, right? Desperation. And there are likewise millions of micro curses when their numbers don't get called. Right?
Ry Schwartz:That immediate reaction of I didn't win and almost cursing the winner of I would have done something better. I deserved it more. Right? So that big pool of money, right, is already encoded with forms of desperation, with anger, with agitation, with even a sense of, I think I called in the book financial schadenfreude. I hope they lose it, desiring ill will upon someone who has money.
Ry Schwartz:So unless that steward has the capacity to sense into what they're actually receiving beyond a number. Right? But the actual energetic construct they're welcoming into their field and has ways to identify where they may be vulnerable to that, right, their own internal hooks to it, and then their own ways of transmuting that, of course, it's gonna generate
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Different forms of chaos. Yeah. So with your client who was coming into this inheritance that had an energetic signature of chaos or pain or, you know, some money we receive through, even traumatic means.
Ry Schwartz:Of course. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:How do we then help money to heal in our hands?
Ry Schwartz:Right. So one thing I've noticed is money tends to heal and transmute faster than humans do. They money doesn't form identity around wounding patterns in the same way that humans would. Right.
Kate Northrup:Right? Like Similar to animals, really.
Ry Schwartz:Exactly. So so money has this desire and this thrust back towards wholeness. And I believe all consciousness does. But money, I think, just elementally will get there faster. Mhmm.
Ry Schwartz:Right? I think the water experiments, I think it was doctor
Kate Northrup:Imoto. Correct. Can't remember his first name.
Ry Schwartz:Right.
Kate Northrup:But, yes, doctor Imoto.
Ry Schwartz:Yeah. Similarly. Right? He could restructure water with different prayers and different tones and different even kind of vocalizations. Right?
Ry Schwartz:Really quickly, like how it would restructure
Kate Northrup:from And we all can. Exactly. It's not like he's like a magician. Absolutely.
Ry Schwartz:Yes. Right? So if we were to just ground this in practicality
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Ry Schwartz:Right? Like, if you if one was receiving a sum of money, right, and it could be, you know, from a very common example, you know, of a client. Right? You know, I've received this as a copywriter. Right?
Ry Schwartz:A client hires me and brings me on, and it's a service I offer and a service that client pays for. Yet sometimes I'll feel the spike of the save my business. Right? Or the spike of this better work or the spike of all these unconscious unworded energetics that I'm receiving within it. Right?
Kate Northrup:Oh, I have had that experience.
Ry Schwartz:Yeah. Like $10,000 from one client isn't the same as 10,000 from another.
Kate Northrup:It just isn't.
Ry Schwartz:Right? And it gains better judgment. Sometimes we'll receive that and we'll ignore it and we'll push it aside and we'll be like, well, this might just be my thing right now. And then inevitably, there will be some, you know, amplification of the chaos with that client or that money or something that happens that causes some form of disruption. Right?
Ry Schwartz:So even in that example, right, if I were receiving, you know, $10,000 that felt energetically unclean, right, there's just a brief moment of, like, five or ten minutes sitting with that transaction. Like, literally looking at that transaction on the Stripe screen or on my account. Right? And just tuning into its field. Right?
Ry Schwartz:What am I feeling into here? What am I sensing within this? What is it evoking in me? Right? Is it evoking patterns in me that feel like I'm not worthy of that, that I can't deliver on that, that the expectation I'm putting out there isn't aligned with what I could actually provide.
Ry Schwartz:Right? So it's just an opportunity to sit with that and then just witness that money compassionately as a consciousness. Right? So I have a process in this book that I've also used in my relationship coaching. I call just fierce grace shadow witness.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. So beautiful.
Ry Schwartz:And it's just a matter of operating from this space of fierce grace, not a wounded part that just wants to heal. Right? But I call it the space of essentially wide open awareness pulsating with grace and compassion. So the father principle, the mother principle, and operating from that space and just witnessing what you see. Right?
Ry Schwartz:Like, I see you're agitated. Right? I see you're fearful. Right? I see that you come with so much, you know, loaded expectation.
Ry Schwartz:Right? And just witness it back into wholeness. Right? Let it continue revealing its layers and witnessing in it witnessing it in it without trying to fix it. Right?
Ry Schwartz:Just being there with it. Yeah. And what I found especially with money is that it just unfurls. Right? It unfurls so quickly when you can just witness it in its journey.
Ry Schwartz:Right? Because how often does money get witnessed? Right? Like humans complain about no one's here to witness us. Right?
Ry Schwartz:No one's offering us a space, but money? No one's witnessing money. Right? So the moment you just give it five minutes, ten minutes to be with it and let it reveal its signatures to you. Yeah.
Ry Schwartz:It's game changing.
Kate Northrup:I mean, what you're describing is very similar to parenting. Mhmm. I find with my kids, you know, we have a six year old and a nine year old, and when one of them is dysregulated, spun out, having big feelings, certainly, shaming them, blaming them, trying to suppress that Right. Is not the move. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Right? So and trying to get them to stop Right. Is definitely not the move. Yep. And trying to fix it, also not the move.
Kate Northrup:So what you're describing, I have seen over and over and over again with my children when I sit with them as regulated as I can manage in to that moment and just witness and say, Yeah, I see you're scared. I see you're sad. It's okay to be sad. I mean, we just did it this weekend. I was with my daughter, and we were at Universal Studios, and we were on a carousel.
Kate Northrup:And she, in that moment, realized that all the rest of the group was doing something without her, without us, and she was missing out. And she got so upset, and she started to cry, and she was like, they did it without me, and da da da da, and I said, yeah, it's sad. They went without us.
Ry Schwartz:Right.
Kate Northrup:We're on a carousel. You can be sad on a carousel.
Ry Schwartz:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:And so we were just there, and so fast, she had a cry. Right. Within ninety seconds, full joy ecstasy on Totally. A And then we were done.
Ry Schwartz:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:And it was just such a great example of like, if we can be I mean, that's parenting, but it's the same with ourselves. It's the same. I love that you're bringing this to money. Yeah. That we can actually be the healers of money, which is, I find, a tremendous amount of power in that invitation because so often we're waiting to make a certain amount of money to feel like we can be a certain way, or we're waiting to heal a certain amount before we can x y z.
Kate Northrup:And it's like, no. No. No. I have complete and total agency.
Ry Schwartz:For
Kate Northrup:sure. And I can contribute as the bestower Yeah. Of grace. Absolutely. Grace Right.
Kate Northrup:To money. Yeah. Like, that's really cool. Totally. And a big turnaround.
Ry Schwartz:Yeah. And why wouldn't you do it? Right? Like Yeah. Money is flowing through our experience at all times.
Ry Schwartz:Right? Like, a few minutes before coming here, right, I was at this, like, really awesome little coffee shop. Like, I don't know if you've noticed
Kate Northrup:the one I have to ask
Ry Schwartz:you which one. With the airplane. Right?
Kate Northrup:Oh, yeah.
Ry Schwartz:The And you order
Kate Northrup:an airplane? I think it's called airplane coffee. Yeah. Yeah. So The best.
Ry Schwartz:Exactly. So I walk in there, and I'm like, this is cool. I'm in an airplane even
Kate Northrup:though I
Ry Schwartz:was in an airplane yesterday. Right? And, you
Kate Northrup:know Yeah. But they happy be a coffee shop.
Ry Schwartz:I'm like, why am I so happy to be in this airplane right now? I hate being in airplanes. But I'm in that coffee shop. Right? And I'm I'm appreciating the creativity that goes into that.
Ry Schwartz:I'm like honoring. Someone had this concept. They brought it to fruition. How freaking awesome. Right?
Ry Schwartz:And then I'm at the cash. I'm paying for this coffee, and that's a sacred exchange. Right? Money is moving. Right?
Ry Schwartz:So in that brief second, it's honoring money. Like, thank you for partaking in this transaction. Thank you for empowering this experience here. Right? And it's blessing it for the next recipient.
Ry Schwartz:Right? It's like honoring them for what they're providing. Right? And it's like, we have dozens of these opportunities every day, right? To thank the money flowing through us and blessing it as it moves forward.
Kate Northrup:Right?
Ry Schwartz:And if you were to view or take on the concept of money as an evolving consciousness, much like how a human will no longer be available for certain types of behaviors as it grows in consciousness and awareness. And it's like, hell no. I'm not available for that type of relationship anymore. Right? If you can take on the same concept with money and see money as an evolving consciousness that may be increasingly more available towards stewards who would honor it, who would be in right relationship with it, who would bless it and recirculate it with grace and love, then I think it also begs to yeah.
Ry Schwartz:It also suggests that that person will be more open to receiving more sums. Right? And more capacitated to actually create these harmonious flows
Kate Northrup:Mhmm.
Ry Schwartz:Right everywhere they go. So I don't know. I tend to appreciate that
Kate Northrup:I love that. Concept. Yeah. What about for folks who really are feeling like money is the problem? Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Or like, I'm just not good with money. So I'll tell you a specific example that comes up in our in our work.
Ry Schwartz:Of course.
Kate Northrup:I am a firm believer Mhmm. That financial stewardship Mhmm. Is one of the primary ways to create an abundant life. Where the way to feel like it's finally enough is to beautifully care for what we already have
Ry Schwartz:Love that.
Kate Northrup:As well as earn more. But many of our people think the way to Mhmm. Create a sense of enough is to make more. Right. And that can be part of it.
Kate Northrup:But I start with, what are you doing with what you already have? Right?
Ry Schwartz:Of course. Yep.
Kate Northrup:And what I hear from our clients sometimes is, I I'm just not good at that. Mhmm. Or that feels boring. Mhmm. Or I have other more exciting, interesting things to do, and I don't have time Yeah.
Kate Northrup:For that. So I'm just curious, like, what would be your response to that particular projection or or pattern of avoidance because we're like, it's boring. It doesn't actually sound that fun.
Ry Schwartz:Right. Yeah. Mean, I guess like first off with compassion. Right? I've certainly been there.
Ry Schwartz:Right? I've certainly been in Same. The thrill of generating versus the, you know, perceived monotony of tending to. Right? So I've been there.
Ry Schwartz:Right? And I'll yeah. I'll just be very clear about it. The moment I started tending to what was already in my presence. Right?
Ry Schwartz:Being very mindful of what was in my account, how those bundles are being stewarded, what was meant for what purpose. Right? Getting very intentional about that, very directed and creating clear containers and intentions for my money, my income grew. Right? Like, it just did.
Ry Schwartz:Right? Rather than having avoidance here and thrill seeking here. Right? Which is a very unsustainable way of operating. That was perfect.
Ry Schwartz:There we go. Right? Yeah. So I think like going deeper in that conversation, you know, tuning into the avoidance. What are we afraid of seeing?
Ry Schwartz:Right? Is there an avoidance because it's boring? Is there an avoidance because we believe we should be further along? Is there an avoidance because we don't want to get clear about how quote unquote irresponsible we've been and shame ourselves for that. Right?
Ry Schwartz:So I think the more honest we could be about those various layers of avoidance, the quicker we can progress through it. And once again, this is where that inner stance of fierce grace is so important because you're not going to do that work through the lens of your inner judge, right, and your inner critic who's just gonna berate you and beat you over the head with it. Yeah. Right? But it's like, you know, I see you're ashamed of, you know, how you've circulated money.
Ry Schwartz:I see that you wish you did things better. Right? Like getting clear on all these elements that are going to that avoidance, I think, is massive. Right? And massively important.
Kate Northrup:Can you describe more about fierce grace? One of the things I love that you said is that many places that we learn about shadow work, it is said that shadow work requires courage. And you're like, yeah, not really. Yep. So so share why courage doesn't really feel like the word for you.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Ry Schwartz:I remember I think it was probably around like seven years ago when I first got into shadow work. And I remember doing a session with someone who is pretty renowned in the men's space around it. Right? And we were doing a session. At one point, he's like, you know, I so appreciate your courage for going there.
Ry Schwartz:And I'm like, what? Like, that doesn't track. You know? Like, I almost don't feel like I was courageous. Right?
Ry Schwartz:Like and then I kinda zoomed out, and I'm like, I think we're operating from different places here in this work. Right? Like, the space of fierce grace, the way I see it, right, is like, I am already transparent to all that is. I can hide that stuff if I wanted to. Right?
Ry Schwartz:Like, whatever it is you believe sustains life and animates you into existence, you're already transparent to it. It already sees all that there is to see. Yeah. Right? So if you could slip into that place, right, and you know you are already loved and upheld and supported by that current or that field, however you wanna define it, courage isn't necessary there.
Ry Schwartz:Right? Courage to me is what comes online when there's also this fear. It's part of that polarity. Right? And what parts of you would be quote unquote afraid as it's going through shadow work?
Ry Schwartz:It's typically the part that I refer to as a shadow suppressor. The part that feels like if this was seen and known to the world, I would be abandoned, condemned, judged, beaten, like, the things. Right? And once again, we have compassion for that part. Right?
Ry Schwartz:We certainly hold that part within this field of fierce grace as well, but we don't let it run the show. Right? It's not leading that charge of shadow work. Another way I think I like to put it is like all parts get a seat at the table, but they don't get to host the dinner. Right?
Ry Schwartz:It's like, who hosts the dinner? Right? So that's kind of a question to sit with. Beautiful. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:One thing that comes up is this feeling for women specifically of, well, I just want to be in my feminine. And somehow there's an idea that being in our feminine is antithetical to dealing with money in a conscious way. Right? Can you just riff on that? Masculine and the feminine, and I mean, obviously, we all have masculine and feminine in us, but in our community, specifically, is primarily women.
Ry Schwartz:For sure.
Kate Northrup:And there can be this goddess, I just wanna be in my feminine, which can lead to limpness. Fair enough. So, like, now I have no structure, and I'm all flow.
Ry Schwartz:Yep. Yeah. Yep. In my experience, money requires masculine containment itself. Right?
Ry Schwartz:That is literally what an account is. It is saying you can be received here.
Kate Northrup:Right? Put it here.
Ry Schwartz:And I have I have a plan for you. Right? I have a strategy for you. I'm gonna care for you. Right?
Ry Schwartz:So if I see money itself mostly as a feminine force. Right? Water element, it flows through, it needs containment, it lands within containment and then you choose how it gets contained. Right? Like, you know, I'm not going to abandon you in this dark corner of an account that I never check.
Ry Schwartz:Right? I'm gonna have you here in this high interest savings account where I know you are expanding and flowing and doing your thing, or I'm going to allow you to play in this high yield, maybe riskier, you know, territory here. Right? And do your thing. Right?
Ry Schwartz:You know, have fun. Right? So yeah. In my view and experience, money itself does need masculine containment. So that is one part of the conversation.
Ry Schwartz:Right? And it doesn't mean a woman who wants to be like, 99% of her life and her feminine needs to be the one creating that containment. Right? She can certainly hire people for that or have a partner, a spouse, right, who cares for that and creates that containment. The next part of that conversation, right, I would be I would suggest is, like, how that money gets received and generated.
Ry Schwartz:Right? So money itself could be feminine, but it doesn't mean that the way of generating it, right, or receiving it needs to be all masculine or all feminine. Right? And here I see, you know, countless ways to receive money, right, or to generate it or to welcome it in. Some are more feminine oriented.
Ry Schwartz:Some are more masculine oriented. I see typically, you know, four ways of money receivership. Right? Value exchange is the one where most familiar with. Right?
Ry Schwartz:I create this product, this service, and sell it. Right? That's one way. Right? And the one I'd say that's the way that most people are most comfortable with.
Ry Schwartz:Right? And I'd say that's trending towards a more masculine way of receivership.
Kate Northrup:Right? I produce. I get paid.
Ry Schwartz:Totally. Exactly. But there's also, you know, investment opportunities. Right? Which is like money expands.
Ry Schwartz:It multiplies. Right? Through who are you within that expense? You're kinda relaxed. You're kinda letting money do this thing, and you're trusting in that.
Ry Schwartz:Right? So that is more of a feminine way of
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Receiving. Yeah. I mean, think about that. I have never thought about it Yeah.
Kate Northrup:This way before except for in this moment, but I think about it like pregnancy Mhmm. Where it's like you just you really don't have to do anything, and you just end up making a human. Totally. Wild. Incredible.
Kate Northrup:Very similar to investment. Yeah. Where you put, you know, you put the seeds, you put the money in there, and then it just
Ry Schwartz:Yeah. Gross. And then some some folks will like feel like they need to overly manage it. Right? Because they wanna feel like they have some more active of a role.
Ry Schwartz:Right? And this goes into deservedness. Right? You know, that it's Right. That I don't deserve it unless I worked for it, unless I bled for it, unless I did something.
Ry Schwartz:Right?
Kate Northrup:I have to have suffered a certain amount.
Ry Schwartz:Right? Yeah. Yeah. So that's, you know, another way of receivership. And you can have a business partner or a life partner that is far more open in one of these channels than another.
Ry Schwartz:And it's beautiful when two partners are particularly open in different directions. Right? So I could be amazing at creating value and exchanging value. Right? And my partner might be incredible at receiving flows of pure generosity or pure fortune.
Ry Schwartz:Right? And life just continuously works in her favor. Right? And how beautiful that's no less valid or more valid than my way. Right?
Ry Schwartz:Generosity is a whole other conversation being open to that. Fortune is another one. What is a natural limit to how lucky one can be before they feel like they're gonna get attacked for being lucky and fortunate. Right? But, yeah, there's literally countless ways one can receive.
Ry Schwartz:Some are more feminine oriented, some are more masculine oriented. And I think just really being honest about how one wishes to receive and how one feels most predisposed towards receiving
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Ry Schwartz:And playing with it. But also knowing that you have containment for where that money,
Kate Northrup:you know Mhmm. Flows into. I'm curious your opinion. You know, you said, okay. Well, you could absolutely be, you know, 99% more in that feminine flow, but there does need to be those containers, I completely And agree how much do you think we need to actually build, maintain, be aware of those containers ourselves?
Kate Northrup:Because something I see is avoidance can continue by being like, my husband's handling that, or like, I pay somebody for that instead of actually being engaged with our own resources.
Ry Schwartz:Totally. Yeah. Sometimes I will look at an account just to say hi to the money. Right? Like, that's it.
Ry Schwartz:Like Yeah. Not even necessarily tracking. Was it up 2% or down this? But just
Kate Northrup:like, hey. What's up?
Ry Schwartz:Good to
Kate Northrup:see you.
Ry Schwartz:Right? Thank thank you for being here. Thank you for continuing to express yourself. Thank you for expanding and contracting and doing the things you do. Right?
Ry Schwartz:And just even tuning in. Right? Like, how are you feeling? That's it. Kind of how I would relate to a really good friend.
Ry Schwartz:Right? Just being there checking in. How are you?
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Right?
Ry Schwartz:I think for what money provides in our lives. Right? Just having a sense of connection to it frequently. Right? And not this dismissal of someone else will take care of it, which always has the undertone of I don't want to deal with it.
Kate Northrup:Right. Right? Like, imagine if that, you know, back to parenting.
Ry Schwartz:For sure.
Kate Northrup:Right? Like, if I only had someone else caring for my children Right. I would not have a good relationship with them. Mhmm.
Ry Schwartz:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Right? So so same same. Or if I had someone else going on dates with my husband Right. Like Yeah. I wouldn't like, I'm not gonna outsource that.
Ry Schwartz:Yeah. You can't outsource relationship. So it's really Right. Really comes back down to do you subscribe to the paradigm where money is relational or not? Right?
Ry Schwartz:And if you believe it is and if it feels more true in life affirming and enriching and expanding for it to be relational, then just take those basic steps towards making it relational. Right?
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Yeah. In your experience and in your work, because you work with couples as well Yeah. With your pen name Hendrix Black. Mhmm.
Kate Northrup:Yes.
Ry Schwartz:Correct.
Kate Northrup:Yes. Just in case people wanna check out that work. Yep. What are the overlaps that you see between life force energy, eros, and financial energy, the consciousness of money?
Ry Schwartz:Yeah. Big question.
Kate Northrup:I mean, that's like a whole
Ry Schwartz:yeah. For sure. Right? I will start off by saying, right, that, like, in my experience on working on both sides, how we relate to our partner, right, has a disproportionate effect on our deservedness and receptivity field. Right?
Ry Schwartz:And to put it more bluntly, right, if I, for example, didn't believe my partner was worthy of receiving that which she desires to receive, then she's going to carry that sense of deprivation. She's gonna feel that deprivation for me and that's gonna resonate through her field. So I think on the couple's level, before we even get into circulating Eros and pleasure and capacity to actually feel it run through our bodies. Mhmm. Right?
Ry Schwartz:First, we have to get clear. Right? Do I truly, if I'm being absolutely honest with myself here, desire the world for my partner. Do I want to see him or her in their fullest expression of life and joy and pleasure? Do I truly believe they're deserving of that?
Ry Schwartz:And when I ask people this, the answer is typically at first, of course, right? Wouldn't I? Because I'm supposed to and I want to and I'm a good husband or I'm a good wife, right? Then I'm like in the safety of this conversation, is that a 100% true or 50% true? Right?
Ry Schwartz:Then you start kinda like getting into that murkier territory, right? Of how many couples still have some level of unchecked resentment. Right? And unchecked feelings of, you know, I didn't get what I want. So they can't get what I want or I gave up what I wanted.
Ry Schwartz:So I'm kind of on board them getting what they want, but not all the way. Right? And I think one very clear question that any listener can ask themselves, like, is a, do you know what your partner or spouse wants more than anything in the world to feel, to receive? Do you know the answer to that question? And b, if they experienced it, how would you feel in witnessing them?
Ry Schwartz:I think just those two questions can reveal a ton of information that
Kate Northrup:It's really good.
Ry Schwartz:May be very affirming of your relationship or give you really clear insight of things you can take a closer look at that can totally take your relationship to a new level within the next few months. Because, yeah, we have these wounded parts and identities that have gone through, you know, in some cases, hell with our partners. Right? And they leave certain imprints and they're not permanent. But yeah, it's our job to get clear there.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. A 100%. So what about when we bring money into the conversation with partnership? That's one of the greatest sources of pain for people is money in relationship, but it's also a great source of possibility.
Ry Schwartz:Of course.
Kate Northrup:Yes. So tell me about your ideas around the energy of money and the parallels or lack thereof with those energies and pathways of, like, pleasure and desire.
Ry Schwartz:Sure. Yeah. I'll say this. Right? When I was single and alone, right, it was a lot easier to essentially quote, quote, unquote, manifest more money at will.
Ry Schwartz:Right? It was linear. Right? When you're in a partnership, especially an intimate relationship, you're now in a shared field. Right?
Kate Northrup:Yes.
Ry Schwartz:Like your partner's stuff is within your field and you're just kinda like doing this dance. Right? And you might feel particularly open and you might have a single conversation with your partner about budgeting and it feels like it just like dead ends the room. Right? And you're like, I'm trying to be magnetic and open and you're talking about why we shouldn't buy $12 almond butter from Whole Foods.
Ry Schwartz:This this is not it. Right?
Kate Northrup:Not a real example.
Ry Schwartz:I'm we're downgrading to peanut butter now, right? And if I see almond butter, so you are in these shared fields, right? And these exchanges leave certain imprints around what is this capacity of receivership within my family, within my primary spousal relationship. Right? So yeah, to that end, right, sexual energy is incredible.
Ry Schwartz:Incredible to circulate because that is not this linear calculated thing. Right. Right? It gets you out of this like, yeah, called scarcity. Right?
Kate Northrup:Right. Because there's not like a certain amount Yeah. Of erotic energy we have every month. And we have to have to budget it in like, it's endless. Totally.
Kate Northrup:It's infinite. It's infinite.
Ry Schwartz:Right? So, yeah, like, being in practice, right, of how much can you receive here? How much can we generate? How much can we enjoy? Not as work, not as a manifestation practice as an expression of my love and your love and my desire and your desire.
Ry Schwartz:But I think within that cultivating there's some can we go into practices here? Yeah. Yeah. Sweet. Right?
Ry Schwartz:So I think cultivating a field of co generosity is massive in that realm, right? Of desiring for your partner to feel ecstatic and loved and pleasured and all these things. Right? And doing so for no other reason than wanting to experience them in that joy. Right?
Ry Schwartz:Totally. Reminding them that this isn't a trade and I'm gonna get mine after and blah blah blah. Right? But just like how much can we cultivate this field of open generosity of relishing in each other's pleasure and joy, right? And all the different forms and expansions that could take.
Ry Schwartz:I think that has such a powerful magnetic pull when it comes to finances.
Kate Northrup:Totally. And what you're describing, which I've never thought about, is sort of like financial we could practice financial compersion. And so for those who don't know, compersion is when someone when you literally get off on your partner feeling pleasure.
Ry Schwartz:Right.
Kate Northrup:And I think we probably all can find that in ourselves because I mean, I certainly know that when Mike's really happy, I'm really happy. And that's an incredibly simple example of it, and there are layers, and I think all of us are wired differently. But I wonder, and it's something I'm gonna play with, if we can, not only in practicing that with our partner around erotic energy and physical pleasure, but also how much can we begin to wire ourselves to practice that also financially with that field of generosity. And one thing that we've talked about in Relaxed Money, I don't know what I call it, but I'm gonna start calling it financial conversion as of today. It's this transference of the difference between seeing someone else thrive and thinking because they're having that, that means I can't have it.
Kate Northrup:And instead, experiencing it not as evidence that I can have it too, but as literally witnessing someone having something and allowing ourselves to experience physically Yep. That we are having it too. This happened to me with two specific girlfriends Mhmm. Witnessing them mothering
Ry Schwartz:Mhmm.
Kate Northrup:Because I did not have a wonderful experience in my first year of motherhood. It was hard at best. Mhmm. Traumatic for sure. Mhmm.
Kate Northrup:And yet I witnessed them, and they were like and this was years later. Mhmm. And they were in clearly, were having a hard time too because just having a baby is hard. But they were in ecstasy on some level, like living their deepest joy. And I just was like, I'm gonna watch their Instagram stories.
Kate Northrup:I'm gonna talk to them. I'm going to receive this as going back in time and on an energetic level, getting to have it as five years ago, Kate.
Ry Schwartz:Right.
Kate Northrup:And I do think it changed me.
Ry Schwartz:Yeah. What a practice.
Kate Northrup:That is a good
Ry Schwartz:use of social media.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Was great use of social media.
Ry Schwartz:That is a book. Yes. Well,
Kate Northrup:maybe it is, but but what you were saying about expanding that field of generosity, but I don't think it's about like, oh, they're having it, and I'm not. It's almost in the melding of unity where it's like, you're having it, therefore I'm having it.
Ry Schwartz:You nailed it. That's exactly it. Right? There's no self abandonment in it. No.
Ry Schwartz:It is full in of itself.
Kate Northrup:Right? Yeah. It's not selflessness in any No. It's like the more we allow that person to have it, the more we get to have it.
Ry Schwartz:For sure. Absolutely.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Yeah. That's cool.
Ry Schwartz:So that is a huge practice. Right? In all the forms, right, including I love your social media version of it. Another aspect of that that I think is so simple yet powerful, especially for couples. Like, there are so many gifts available when you are in partnership, right, for creating these fields.
Ry Schwartz:I don't have a good name for this one. Maybe you could give it a better name because you're like in phase. Right? But for lack of better word, like, desires fulfilled. Right?
Ry Schwartz:Like, if you shared with your partner, right, on a Friday night, like over the next month, I would love to experience the reality where, right? And it could be erotic or it could be non erotic, right? It could just be A
Kate Northrup:fun date night question.
Ry Schwartz:This experience that you really want to have. Yeah. Right? And over the next few weeks or the predetermined time period, your partner gets to create the conditions for that experience, gets to create that experience for you. Right?
Ry Schwartz:And even if in your moment of claim, right, you feel those parts of you that are like, oh, this might be asking too much because there's always that edge and that's good. Right? Invite that edge. Right? Can I take up this much space?
Ry Schwartz:Is this a burden? Am I asking too much while they're already doing so much? Right? So allow all that to be present. Right?
Ry Schwartz:It's not about avoiding all these parts that have a say, it's about including them and then having the experience or even with that, even with the quote unquote limitation, it could still manifest and it still does manifest. And over time, over the course of a year, right, if you each have one claim per month, right? That's 24 experiences that would have previously felt out of reach or unavailable for an abundance of reasons. And you will have cultivated this expectation that what I desire and claim happens.
Kate Northrup:Is so good. Yeah. And you get to have fun
Ry Schwartz:along the way. Right? It's like
Kate Northrup:What a cool practice. Totally. Okay. We're definitely doing that.
Ry Schwartz:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:That's great.
Ry Schwartz:Mhmm.
Kate Northrup:And, you know, and and for for anyone listening where money is an area that they're wanting to cultivate more expansion, some of these could be somewhat related to money healing in whatever way. You know? Yeah. And also just the wiring of permission, you know, stoking the fire of permission to imagine possibility because those pathways can go dormant.
Ry Schwartz:But
Kate Northrup:as soon as we let something flow there again, they come back alive Yeah. I would imagine pretty quickly. Similarly to how money, like you said, does transform quickly.
Ry Schwartz:Yeah. Yeah. And this is about patience with your partner. Right? That first time.
Ry Schwartz:Right? If someone hasn't claimed something for themselves in a while, right? It could be like, oh, I don't know. I just want something simple. Let me
Kate Northrup:A cup of warm tea in bed.
Ry Schwartz:Right?
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Which sounds nice. Sounds so good. Now that
Ry Schwartz:you say it, I'm like that.
Kate Northrup:Totally. That every month. That.
Ry Schwartz:Yeah. A massage and tea. Right? That's that's all I need.
Kate Northrup:Right? Best.
Ry Schwartz:Yeah. But gently and compassionately allowing them to safely expand. Right? Like, it could be as simple as saying, I'm available for more. Right?
Ry Schwartz:I'm available to meet you in whatever that claim is. Right? Nothing is too much. You're perfect as you are. Right?
Ry Schwartz:Like just these reminders to warm up that space. Not like a business meeting. It's like, so what do you wanna experience this month? Right? Let's get it on the calendar.
Ry Schwartz:I'll send you a Google invite. Right? We'll get it done. Yeah. Although that might have it done.
Kate Northrup:That might have it done.
Ry Schwartz:Now that I sent it, I'm like
Kate Northrup:I feel like actually
Ry Schwartz:Like when I use the Texan accent, it kinda works. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:I don't know. Like, one of my love languages actually is a calendar invite.
Ry Schwartz:Totally. So Yeah.
Kate Northrup:You give me a calendar invite and reservations, and I'm like
Ry Schwartz:I think I was feeling your enjoyment of the Google Calendar, and I'm like, I'm saying this like a bad thing.
Kate Northrup:I'm married to a Virgo. Love a plan. I love being directed. Yeah. I'm all about it.
Ry Schwartz:I'm a Virgo.
Kate Northrup:Oh, really?
Ry Schwartz:Ask me
Kate Northrup:how I like the kitchen.
Ry Schwartz:Right? No dishes anywhere. Amazing. Yeah. August 26.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Yep. Love that.
Ry Schwartz:But yeah. Like that desires fulfilled practice, that's gonna be promptly renamed by the time this podcast comes out.
Kate Northrup:Good. But I actually really like it. I don't know. I mean, just to to reflect back.
Ry Schwartz:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:If that felt good.
Ry Schwartz:Right.
Kate Northrup:Like Yeah. Because who doesn't wanna do a desires fulfilled practice? Totally. I don't know
Ry Schwartz:that one.
Kate Northrup:It feels Maybe the name will stick. Maybe it will. Maybe it will. Okay. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:So as we wrap up here, I know today on the day of the recording, though not on the day this is released Yeah. You have a new book out.
Ry Schwartz:Correct.
Kate Northrup:Yes. It is called
Ry Schwartz:Conversations with Money.
Kate Northrup:Conversations with Money. Yeah. And it is the precursor to this volume, Shadow Money. Right?
Ry Schwartz:Yep. Exactly. So before I wrote this one, right, I was getting all the downloads right
Kate Northrup:from How do these I just need to know, like, you sitting in the woods? Do you meditate? Gosh. What's happening? Are you making eggs?
Ry Schwartz:I am making eggs. I am I am in the gym. Right? Like, there's reason I don't have a vlog because it's really just me in the gym or me making eggs. Literally those two things.
Ry Schwartz:You just like encapsulated 95% of my life. Uh-huh. Yeah. So initially, these downloads were happening in client sessions that had nothing to do with money, but everything to do with money. Uh-huh.
Ry Schwartz:Right? And then I found myself giving guidance that felt outside the norm of something that quote unquote Ryan or Hendrix would be sharing. Right? Sharing like, you know, this money flow in your life has certain encodings of vengefulness in it. Right?
Ry Schwartz:It's like
Kate Northrup:A vengefulness.
Ry Schwartz:Vengefulness. Right? This money is encoded to, you know, disrupt this relationship or that. Right? So it's like this information was coming through in those directions.
Ry Schwartz:And then outside of those client sessions was more of the kind of like overarching paradigms within this book. Right? Money as consciousness. Money as the water element. Money as coming in through four different primary channels.
Ry Schwartz:Right, of value exchange, of investment, of fortune. Right? So all these bits of information started piecing together between these client sessions more than like just have private alone time running on the treadmill or running around the gym. Right? Whatever it was.
Ry Schwartz:So I started transcribing them mostly verbally audio because I'm not a scribe scribe. Right? What a weird job scribes must have had back in the day. Right? Literally walking around with a felt pen.
Ry Schwartz:Yeah. And that became kind of the source material for shadow money, light money, and love money, which are still to be released. Coming. And I wasn't planning on releasing the big one conversations with money. I'm like, this is a big editing editing job to sense make all these notes.
Ry Schwartz:Right? And then more recently, it just felt really important to not just have all that information in one book. Right? Because the three volumes are shorter. This one really encapsulates everything up to now.
Ry Schwartz:But also have it be more formatted from that source that I was receiving it.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Ry Schwartz:Right? So that the reader can connect with what I'm connecting with there.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Ry Schwartz:Right? Versus just my writing as the money shaman.
Kate Northrup:So good. Yeah. Yeah. I love this. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:And I wanna say as we wrap up here, just like I'm aware of for folks listening who have creative urges, you being here is evidence. You also said, you know, actually this book is coming out today and I don't do big hoopla whatever, I do my work and then I do my thing with it. And there's infinite permission in that because I think that, at least in my industry, there is a tendency to hold back on our creations because there's an idea of I'm not far enough along yet. I don't have a big enough platform. I don't wanna do I'm having a baby.
Kate Northrup:I can't do a lot. Right. And you being here is evidence of you getting the download, writing the thing. I don't know how you ended up on Kelly's podcast, but regardless. And then it's like in the world Right.
Kate Northrup:And here we are. So really trusting Yeah. That these messages, if they're coming through you Yep. Their time has come, and they have a destiny of their own.
Ry Schwartz:I got chills when you said that. They have a destiny of their own. That's good. Yeah. And they do.
Ry Schwartz:Right? They absolutely do. I totally believe in, you know, strategic immediacy. Right? So it's not this total blind, I'm just gonna put it
Kate Northrup:out there and Right. Whatever. Right? It'll But I mean, you obviously know how to market. Right.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Ry Schwartz:And at the same time, my first book under Hendrix Black was called The Seven Initiatory Fires of Modern Manhood. Terrible title. It's such a mouthful. Right? So hard to recommend.
Ry Schwartz:It's like, I can't even say it.
Kate Northrup:But the secret lives of the men you love Yeah. I have on my bedside, and that is a great title.
Ry Schwartz:Number one in Isn't that what it's called? Poetry right now. Yeah. Okay. Never thought I would have a number one in erotic poetry.
Ry Schwartz:Right? Love that. And it's on my mom's coffee table.
Kate Northrup:So yeah. Before she even read a word. So good.
Ry Schwartz:But yes, similar story. Right? It's like the immediacy of putting out what you've created and then allowing it to
Kate Northrup:have a life of its own
Ry Schwartz:while also being strategic and stewarding it within the world. Right? I do not like delay at all. Right? By the time I released my first book, when it came time to market it, I'm like, I'm over it.
Ry Schwartz:Totally. Right? Like I
Kate Northrup:don't Totally.
Ry Schwartz:Like I don't wanna be on a podcast sharing these ideas that were true to me two years ago. Right? That felt inauthentic. I know. And I
Kate Northrup:remember world of traditional publishing.
Ry Schwartz:I know. And it's weird. It's tricky. And I did promote it, but it felt like a performance. And it was a performance to some degree.
Ry Schwartz:Right? So I totally believe in these creative pursuits, finding their place in the world as soon as you know, they're ready to be revealed.
Kate Northrup:So cool.
Ry Schwartz:And then allow them to kinda grow and expand and steward it.
Kate Northrup:So yeah. So beautiful. Yeah. Thank you for being here today. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Thank you for this conversation. So if people wanna connect, learn more, buy your books, follow your work, where should they go?
Ry Schwartz:Gosh. So at Hendrix dot black on Instagram.
Kate Northrup:Hendrix with an x.
Ry Schwartz:X. Yeah. At money shaman official for money shaman work. All the books are on Amazon.
Kate Northrup:So Okay. Yeah. Amazing. We'll put everything in the show notes. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Thank you again for
Ry Schwartz:being there.
Kate Northrup:This was so fun.
Ry Schwartz:Yeah. Loved it. Thank you so much.
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