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One of the best things you can bring to any relationship is a whole and healthy you. At Onsite, we have discovered that when one person begins doing “their work,” it often inspires and gives permission to the people around them to do the same, especially in our partnerships.
Onsite Alum Laura and Shane Quick are living proof that doing your own emotional and mental health work is one of the most important things you and your partner can bring to your partnership. In today’s episode, they joined Mickenzie and Lindsey for our live podcast event to share their individual and collective mental health journeys. Together, they explore how this has impacted their partnership and every other relationship and role they have in life as parents, friends, business owners, and beyond.
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So many of us go through life feeling out of touch with ourselves, others, and the world around us. We feel disconnected, overwhelmed, distracted, and uncertain of how to find the clarity, purpose, and direction we so deeply, so authentically, desire. The Living Centered Podcast in an invitation to another way of living.
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When you're at Onsite and your significant other or partner is not at Onsite, there's a lot going on there. Yeah. You know? And we've learned we've we've been able to help send a lot of people to Onsite since then, and we're always like, both of y'all need to get there if you can because, you know, just because someone else is having their their their life changed through therapy, you know, the other person's at home still hurting.
Laura Quick:And I think even, like, as a caveat to that, even if the both people or that other person is doing their work, if you haven't experienced what's happening at Onsite when you're completely immersed into the program, it is not the same. So you're like, oh, I have tools.
Shane Quick:Can't explain it. No. Really.
Laura Quick:If you've
Shane Quick:never been, it's hard to explain that, you know, to someone else.
Mickenzie Vought:Welcome to the Living Centered Podcast, a show from the humans at Onsite. If you're new to this space and just beginning this journey, we hope these episodes are an encouragement, a resource, and an introduction to a new way of being. If you're well into your journey and perhaps even made a pit stop at Onsite's Living Centered Program or one of our other experiences, we hope these episodes are a nudge back toward the depth, connection, and authenticity you found. In this series, we sat down with some of our favorite experts and emotional health sojourners to explore the relationships that make up our lives. From our friendships to our families or families of choice to our relationship with ourselves, part practical resource and part honest storytelling that will have you silently nodding me too, this podcast was curated with you in mind.
Mickenzie Vought:Let's dive in.
Lindsey Nobles:Welcome, everyone, to this week's Living Centered Podcast. So excited about this conversation, Mickenzie, that we had live in person with Laura and Shane Quick. Laura and Shane just have so much personality, and they just are both experts in their fields, but they're also, like, experts with themselves. And it's so cool to hear about the pivotal role that Onsite has played in their relationship and in their entire lives. It really changed the trajectory of their path, which is so cool.
Mickenzie Vought:Yeah. I really loved the both of them. They came in with so much authenticity and vulnerability and willingness to really pull the curtain back on a lot of aspects of their relationship. So I feel like it was really fun to get to see their dynamics up close. As we talk about in the interview, they wear a lot of hats hats and they have a lot of roles and their business owners, their parents, their friends, and the work that they've done at Onsite and in other avenues to really better their mental health.
Mickenzie Vought:And I would say cultivate a relationship with themself has impacted every other relationship in their life. So I'm really excited for you to meet Laura and Shane Quick. Well, the 2 of you, I thought it would be fun as we're talking about relationships in an Onsite fashion to have you introduce yourselves not by what you do, by who you are, and would you introduce the other person? So, Shane, will you introduce Laura or will you
Shane Quick:introduce today? So much pressure. Laura is an incredible mother and wife, and dog mom, and, she has a massive heart for people and loves to tell stories, sees the best in everyone, and a lover.
Mickenzie Vought:Aw. That's good. I love it.
Laura Quick:Okay. Shane is a dreamer, a visionary. He's funny and quirky, and he is a problem solver. Mhmm. He just really goes for it.
Laura Quick:He's also an incredible husband and dad. Pulled in the parking lot, and he was on the phone with our youngest son celebrating him. And last week, he was celebrating the oldest. And he's an encourager, but also a reality checker. And I love it.
Laura Quick:And also, he loves our dogs maybe more than our children, but don't
Shane Quick:tell them.
Laura Quick:Don't tell them. It's a secret. It's a secret.
Lindsey Nobles:It's fun to think back about when I first met you, Laura. You and Shane, I think, were dating. Mhmm. And you somehow we got connected, and you called me on the phone, and you're like, I have this magazine and I wanna come to Onsite and write about
Laura Quick:it.
Lindsey Nobles:And so
Laura Quick:Annie Annie F. Downs.
Lindsey Nobles:Annie connected us. Annie F Downs.
Laura Quick:I remember the parking lot I was pacing in when I was chatting with you.
Lindsey Nobles:I know. We just had such an instant connection. You I love how open you are, and I've seen that be a thread through your life of, like, here I am. And, people
Shane Quick:It's way
Lindsey Nobles:too exhausting to pretend. Well, you're great at being you. Thanks. And that's hard for some of us. But it's fun to think about the fact that now y'all have been married for a while.
Lindsey Nobles:Mhmm.
Mickenzie Vought:Yeah.
Shane Quick:5 years.
Laura Quick:Almost 6. Yeah. My goodness. Mhmm. I know.
Lindsey Nobles:So for everybody else, will you tell them a little bit about, like, your early connections with Onsite and how that experience was?
Laura Quick:And Yeah. It's interesting because Shane is in the world of artists, and I'm in the magazine media world, and so we both kind of meet similar people and there are a lot of threads that crossed each other. With the magazine, we we used to do something we would allow we would just find somebody we loved, that we felt like was very good grit. You know? This has the strength and tenacity and that passion to, like, when you fall down, you just get up and keep going.
Laura Quick:And, you know, if there isn't a path, you just blaze 1. And I met Annie F Downs, and she was a guest editor. And I was on her podcast, and she was just telling me about how Onsite had changed her life. Shane had an artist that had gone at that time, maybe, or was going or something like that. And, I was just super curious, and mental health was something that's really important to me.
Laura Quick:I had a ton of trauma as a child, and so I was just like, wow. I should write about this. I wanna give, like, a first person, you know and and Lindsey, well, you can't really write about everything. You'll see.
Lindsey Nobles:I'm like, are you sure you don't have to write about it if you don't want to afterwards?
Laura Quick:I was like, no. It's gonna be great. Oh, of course. Marketing 101. Got it.
Laura Quick:Got it. But but yeah. And it was interesting how all that went down. So I signed up Mhmm.
Shane Quick:And
Laura Quick:was like, I'm on my way. I can't wait. I'll be there in 3 weeks. And then what happened, Shane?
Shane Quick:So I had gone through a divorce and Laura and I were dating, and I was probably at second base of, a midlife crisis.
Laura Quick:Yes. And,
Shane Quick:That is true. Yes.
Laura Quick:She says.
Shane Quick:Just before a Corvette, you know? Mm-mm.
Laura Quick:There will be no Corvettes in our house, guys. No. No Corvette. But yeah. I was Did you have bangs?
Shane Quick:I did have bangs.
Laura Quick:You had the equivalent of men man bangs.
Shane Quick:Yeah. No. I, yeah, I was trying to burn my life down, and it was it I was in a spiral, in a real bad spiral.
Laura Quick:Can I say, like so what was happening when even when Lindsay and I talked, I was kinda like, oh, really? This is how it's like, Shane would love this. Of course, because, obviously, I'm qualified to diagnose everybody. Duh. Said no person who's sane.
Laura Quick:But I was like, well, I'm gonna go. This will be good for me. And then Shane, simultaneously, after I had signed up, started showing up at my house, like, once a week and being, like, we're breaking up. This is over. We can't do this.
Laura Quick:We're not compatible. And I'd be like, cool. Okay. Well, leave the dog, and I'll see you next week. Oh, I know.
Laura Quick:And it was weird because I don't
Shane Quick:not kidding.
Laura Quick:I'm not kidding. Like, it was a very turbulent time. And what was crazy about that is, you know, my entire life I had spent running away from things. And this is, like, a really cool season for me to learn how to, like, hold down the fort for someone. Yeah.
Laura Quick:Because I really didn't know how to do that ever. So I just saw him for what was really happening. Like, he was just trying to figure it out. So I knew it was really bad because I was like, hey. Listen.
Laura Quick:What about because we both knew people had gone to Onsite and had all these wonderful things to say. And I was like, what if you go to Onsite? And when I said that to him, how many years had it been since you'd been away from, like, laptop, phone, whatever?
Shane Quick:In the nineties, probably.
Laura Quick:So a couple minutes. And, I just thought he would say, like, no. Pound sand. Get out of here with that. And instead, he was like, alright.
Laura Quick:I'll go. And I was like, you'll go? I literally was texting Lindsay like, he said don't go.
Shane Quick:So I took her spot. She she gave me her spot. Mhmm. And I went in her place and went to LCP, and my life was changed.
Laura Quick:In 2018, that was June of 2018, he went in and he was like, we are not compatible. We're breaking up every week. And that whole week, y'all, I prayed. I was like, alright. Well, this is it.
Laura Quick:Either we're really gonna do this when he gets out or we're not. That'll be what happens here. So I was super nervous. We had a place in Nashville at the time, so I was, like, buying lamps and just anything I could to keep my head above water. And you came home.
Laura Quick:You came out.
Shane Quick:Yeah. I mean, it was yeah. It was just dealt with some stuff that I'd never dealt with in my life and had never had experiential therapy. And, you know, I I knew that I was supposed to marry Laura in there and came out and said, you know, when when you're at Onsite and your significant other or partner is not at Onsite, there's there's a lot going on there. Yeah.
Shane Quick:You know? And we've learned we've we've we've been able to help send a lot of people to Onsite since then, and we're always like, both of y'all need to get there if you can because, you know, just because someone else is having their their their life changed through therapy, you know, the other person's at home still hurting, still whatever. And, And
Laura Quick:I think even, like, as a caveat to that, even if the both people or that other person is doing their work, if you haven't experienced what's happening at Onsite when you're completely immersed into the program, it is not the same. So you're like, oh, I have 4
Shane Quick:explain it. No. Really. If you've never been, it's hard to explain that, you know, to someone else. And so while I was Onsite, they were like, look.
Shane Quick:When you go home, you can't explain everything to everybody. Don't try to do it. Mhmm. Don't don't try to You
Laura Quick:scare the hell out of everyone.
Shane Quick:You scare everyone, because they don't have the same experience and I basically told Laura I said, number 1, I I wanna marry you. And number 2, we have to have a meeting every single week.
Mickenzie Vought:If you've listened to episode 47 of the Living Centered Podcast with Laura Kwick, you may be familiar with the Kwick's weekly meeting rhythm. I was so impacted by hearing it the first time that it is actually something I have since implemented into my own partnership to help mitigate the miscommunication and logistics that tend to trip my partner and I up. For us, it's been a concentrated time to handle all the logistics that are seeping into the other moments in which we actually want to be connecting. Laura and Shane were kind enough to share how this practice has impacted them and kept them on the same page as they live their life together.
Shane Quick:We both travel a lot. We work a lot. Our lives are we're like 2 ships passing in the night constantly, And I just felt like, you know, I have meetings every week. I have I've had I've had 4 meetings today.
Mickenzie Vought:Mhmm.
Shane Quick:And if I can't give my family, my wife, one meeting a week, then then what is it worth? And just just really as a check-in, as a where are you? Where are we gonna be? What do you need from me? How can I be there for you?
Shane Quick:What about our kids? What about everything?
Laura Quick:Mhmm.
Shane Quick:And I just had that vision of a weekly meeting while we're in there. And in how many years?
Laura Quick:I mean, we've we've
Shane Quick:6 years, we've missed 2 or 3 weeks.
Laura Quick:Meetings, and mostly it's because we're on vacation. So we every Sunday, it's a check-in, and it transformed our relationship.
Shane Quick:Yep. I
Laura Quick:mean, it became from, like miscommunication was just, like, the biggest thing that we were, like, constantly stabbing each other with just, like, well, you didn't tell me you were doing that, and I didn't know you were gonna be there. And we've not had a date night in, you know, a 100 years and, like Yeah. That kinda thing.
Lindsey Nobles:So are meetings date nights, or is that different?
Shane Quick:It's different.
Laura Quick:Oh, meeting is, like, what you would consider, like, even a work meeting. There's an agenda. We're covering certain things. What are we you know, what do you need from me this week? What was difficult this week?
Laura Quick:We just kind of adjusted this. We just
Shane Quick:every Sunday, you know, mid afternoon at a brewery and we've we've got our
Laura Quick:Or the boat.
Shane Quick:Or the boat or somewhere, but a lot of times a brewery. And, I have my calendar. She has hers, and, you know, we go through it, and we go through, you know, what what are you grateful for from last week, and what was hard, and what was unresolved, and
Laura Quick:That was like we just went to Onsite together, in February, and we kinda revamped. We rebranded the weekly meeting to the weekly check-in. Oh. Yeah. I have no idea why, but that's what we did, guys.
Shane Quick:Yeah. Because it was kind of becoming monotonous.
Laura Quick:And Yeah. With the name change, it changed.
Shane Quick:It changed everything.
Mickenzie Vought:Did did the structure change
Laura Quick:or no? Yes. We have yes. Substantially. No.
Laura Quick:Just kidding. We did. It's a handful.
Shane Quick:So there's
Laura Quick:a It's
Shane Quick:more of a check-in now.
Laura Quick:Yeah. Our therapist gave us more of, like, because it had become so, like, what are you getting done? Yeah. We wanted to soften it a little bit and make it more about our relationship and, like, that kind of thing.
Mickenzie Vought:Yeah. That's fascinating. I've heard you talk about it in different contexts. I think the last time you were on the podcast, you talked about it. You've talked about it on Instagram.
Mickenzie Vought:So I didn't realize that it had come out of Shane's time and Onsite That's so cool. What was it like when you came home? So you came home and said, here are the things that I know are true. I wanna be consistent in our communication.
Mickenzie Vought:I want to marry you. That feels pretty big.
Shane Quick:Yeah.
Mickenzie Vought:But then you talked about feeling, there was a little bit of a gap, like, I need you to do this and experience it. How quickly did you go then, Laura?
Laura Quick:Oh, it was already scheduled.
Shane Quick:But you're about a month later?
Laura Quick:He took my spot, and so because his was delayed, basically, we just kinda switched full. So I went, a month after. Yeah. Probably not. He came home a week before my birthday.
Laura Quick:Little known fact, he didn't know this. But in January, I told my therapist, like, hey, if he doesn't really know, like, I'm the one by my birthday, like, I'm probably out of here because
Shane Quick:this is
Laura Quick:a lot. But I never told him that. That was just something that an internal boundary I'd set for myself of just, like, okay, like, I need to know that I'm a valued partner here, and this is, like, a week before my birthday. He gets out Onsite and he's like, look. Here's what I know.
Laura Quick:We gotta have a meeting, and, like, we're supposed to be together forever. And I was like, oh my god. So tears, you know, happy tears. And then I went into Onsite. Well, he, for my birthday that week, he took me to, we went to Atlanta, had this big party for well, like a small party.
Laura Quick:And I was like, where's my present? Because my love language is give me a thoughtful gift. It doesn't have to be fancy, but I like a nice you know, you remembered me. And he was like, it wouldn't fit in the truck. And I'm like, what the hell is it?
Laura Quick:Wouldn't fit in the truck? Is it a car? I just got a car. And he was like, no. It's not a car.
Laura Quick:And then he he said, we should ride home together. We rode home together, and he pulled up at my favorite vintage jewelry shop. And he said, today, you get to pick out your engagement ring. And I was like, no. So I went into Onsite, engaged.
Laura Quick:That was just, like, 3 weeks of and then I went to Onsite, and I'm my life wrecked in a good way, you know? Yeah. And got some new tools. In a good way.
Shane Quick:In a
Laura Quick:good way.
Mickenzie Vought:That is so cool.
Lindsey Nobles:Did that feel scary at all? Like, going to, like, dive into yourself at a time where you kind of, I imagine, just wanna, like, be happy and celebrate this relationship, like, finally coming to culmination?
Laura Quick:Yeah. I think that, you know, I wrote that article for Annie's issue. That was the article. I wrote the Onsite article. So I did it that summer, but her issue came out, like, that December.
Laura Quick:Mhmm. And I remember, like, I described it as, like, knowing that you had, like, a storage unit with all your, like, horrible shit in it Yeah. And being like, nah. I'm not going there. And then Onsite, they're like, alright.
Laura Quick:Let's get in the truck. We're going down to your storage unit. Let's see what kinda shit you got in there. And, and then we're gonna, you know, we're gonna burn some of it. Decide what what you need to keep and what what's okay to get rid of.
Laura Quick:Like, what have you been holding on to? And so that's kind of what it felt like to go and then to be really scared, you know? I had not ever been a good wife. And now all of a sudden, I was like, wow, I really wanna be a good wife. I wanna know what that means.
Laura Quick:So I walked in with that big fear, and then also they're like, Amber, go into your storage. And I'm like, are you kidding me?
Mickenzie Vought:Lindsey, I feel like the analogy I've often heard you say about Onsite is that someone takes you into that scary storage unit, and you've just been bumping into shit. Like, okay. Maybe I wanna look in it, but I can't see anything. And it's about turning on the lights and seeing, like, okay. We can actually deal with some of this stuff.
Lindsey Nobles:At first, it's a little overwhelming. Yeah. Yeah.
Mickenzie Vought:There's a lot.
Lindsey Nobles:There's a lot in the storage unit. How do I, like, start to process it?
Laura Quick:I knew because I'd shoved it all in there. You couldn't even get in. It was like, there's a lot. You can't even open that door without something falling out and hitting you.
Mickenzie Vought:Throughout this conversation, Shane and Laura both spoke to balancing their commitment to one another, their family, themselves, and their work. Both are high achieving and extremely busy entrepreneurs. Lindsay took this moment to ask Shane if he'd be willing to speak to that separation between who he is and what he does, and how being away from all those labels and his access to the outside world at Onsite impacted him. When Shane began answering, he reflected on the role work and striving towards success has played in his life and his ability to find safety, comfort, and purpose through the hard parts of his story.
Shane Quick:So my whole I grew up in a family full of drug addicts. And, you know, I think work and dreaming was my way of coping. You know, staying busy in my own dreams and my own ideas, and that was home for me. You know, like, and it was mainly around work, you know, is around career. And, and so I always, and I still struggle with needing a project.
Shane Quick:Yeah. And, you know, I think, yeah, I tell people I've been to Onsite four times and 3 of them were in crisis. And one of them was because we decided we wanted to go. But the last real crisis I had is I had a really big construction project that I was over, and it was monstrously hard.
Laura Quick:And, 36,000 square feet? Yeah. It's in the middle
Shane Quick:of our downtown, and it was a re it's a rehab of an old building. And it's just all the things I wanted and love, and it's beautiful now in downtown Cullman. But and we cannot we came into so many problems with, getting electrical parts and things that, you know, it's hard to get anything right now. Supply chain is really, you know, tough and but in that in that war of getting this thing done and getting it on time, because I had all these tenants trying to be in there and all these deadlines in the bank, and I was at home. Like, I was smooth sailing in this kind of war zone, in this, really turbulent time.
Shane Quick:And because under pressure, I'm pretty good. You know? And when I'm when I've got things to she said I'm a good problem solver. I I was at peace even though there was craziness happening. And then the day we opened the doors to this place and it's finished, I lost my mind.
Shane Quick:Like, it all hit me when I had nothing I had no work happening. I had nothing to, you know, to to make it Okay.
Laura Quick:Wait first. You definitely have lots of work.
Shane Quick:I did. But
Mickenzie Vought:Still had lots of work.
Shane Quick:Yeah. We always have something going on, but it there was just something about having, that finished and then all the waves of the the emotions that I was probably avoiding Yeah. Through the whole project.
Laura Quick:Like creative, postpartum.
Shane Quick:Yeah. It was like yeah. She she came out with that term.
Laura Quick:I didn't. But someone who wrote an article in my magazine did come up
Shane Quick:with that. It was a creative postpartum that I dealt with and it started this whole spiral. And my mother called me for the first time in 4 years because she wanted tickets to see Chris Stapleton, and that really lit the bomb. Just dealing with all these things that are happening is probably how I've dealt with a lot of the, you know, trauma in my life. But
Laura Quick:Yeah. Staying busy.
Shane Quick:You're staying busy.
Lindsey Nobles:It's they we talk at Onsite a lot about how, like, our coping mechanisms work for us until they don't. Right. And then it's, like, I know I have been there where you just all of a sudden are, like, why isn't this working anymore?
Shane Quick:Coping mechanisms do work for a while.
Mickenzie Vought:Mhmm. Right.
Shane Quick:But they will stop working. Mhmm. And when it does, it's really ugly. And and it you know, like, when I was a kid, I needed that. I needed to be an introvert in my bedroom, and and and while all the things that were happening around me, to live in my dreams and my journal and writing it down.
Shane Quick:And when I was a high school dropout after my brother died and working in a factory to to really just cope with the fact that I was a high school dropout living a small town, making no money, living in a fact or, you know, basically working in a factory for 9 years. To deal with that, I needed to know that in my mind that I'm I'm doing what I wanna do, and and and it there was a time in my life where that was needed. And
Lindsey Nobles:Mhmm. Yeah. It's amazing.
Shane Quick:Yeah. It worked. But after you are there and you do have a family and you are around people you can trust and there's no longer people abusing each other in your home, you don't have to act that way anymore. Mhmm. And and I brought that mentality into my first marriage, and I think is what ruined it, was I was still wildly protective and in in in inside myself and never became vulnerable ever, you know.
Shane Quick:So and I think all through our life, we're having to shed those things off and and get rid of them. But, but, yeah, I still deal with the busyness and and the coping mechanisms, and, hopefully, it's less now, but, you know, it's it's something that I've had really had to deal with.
Laura Quick:We just did what? We did a 4 day intensive as a couple, and then you did 3 days intensive Mhmm. On your own.
Shane Quick:Yeah. Mhmm.
Laura Quick:Which is a lot of damn therapy, y'all. Yeah.
Shane Quick:It was good. It was amazing. It was great. Yeah. Super needed.
Laura Quick:It was amazing. A good hard reset. We went to Onsite before we got engaged or before he did. Then we went again at our 1 year anniversary.
Shane Quick:That was the plan. Together?
Laura Quick:We did our whole trip. As well. Okay. Yeah. We did a plan, and we're like, this is what we're committing to.
Laura Quick:Either we're gonna do it once a year together or we'll individually go. Mhmm. And then life happened. You know? And I feel like COVID.
Laura Quick:Yeah. COVID happened. Life happened. I think that it was my schedule and I mean, I did go on some intensive, and then Shane and I both just had it we there was a lot of life stuff happening.
Shane Quick:Yeah.
Laura Quick:And so you went we did together, apart, and then you did 2 more. Were you considering cope those 2 that you just did? Yeah.
Mickenzie Vought:That's so interesting. And I I wonder if you could speak to we talked about on Matt's episode, actually, of the importance of doing your own work and then doing work together and how it's very different but sometimes necessary. And so can you talk about what those two experiences were like doing it together and then that commitment to doing it separate when you need it? How did you know which was which?
Shane Quick:Probably our last big crisis as a as a couple came in, you know, when COVID happened, I'm out of business. Right? We're done. We're losing we lost everything.
Laura Quick:Went from doing, like, over 2,000 shows a year to doing no shows.
Shane Quick:Yes. And and our employees having to lay everyone off and then then the restart of the industry was really hard because there was all these over corrections and, you know, it was wild. Mhmm. And, so so much stress in that. And, then we sold our company.
Shane Quick:We went all through all types of changes and Laura is doing her work, you know, incredibly. And, and I stopped doing mine for probably a year. Yeah. I didn't really see a therapist for for about a year. And we got wonky and imbalanced.
Shane Quick:And like I said, my had issues with my mother calling and and, just spending our life out of control. And then we got these kids graduating high school. You know, it was just, everything hitting at once. But, yeah, doing doing your own individual work now, we're back on path. It is kind of going back to Onsite really kind of reset that.
Shane Quick:We're both we both have our own therapist and we have a therapist together. Mhmm.
Laura Quick:He was a ninja. He makes Miles. Yeah. Miles recommended him.
Shane Quick:Yep. And, Al from, Porter's Call Mhmm. Both recommended our our current therapist and, just been amazing. But, yeah, I think you have to do your own work, and it is different. Yeah.
Shane Quick:It's significantly different. For us, you know, it's funny how we do this meeting every week, and we're laying it out there. But there are still things and I'm sometimes I'm shocked at Laura, like, I'm I felt like we checked in, we did all this stuff, and then we go sit down with our therapist and she rolls this thing out.
Lindsey Nobles:I was
Shane Quick:like, where the hell did that come from? Like, why are you I'm
Lindsey Nobles:like, teasing hold on.
Shane Quick:I pull
Laura Quick:up my notepad.
Shane Quick:It's like I
Laura Quick:actually have created this.
Shane Quick:I do have
Laura Quick:a couple of things I'd like to cover. Thank you so much.
Shane Quick:Yeah. But there are things that even when we're just chatting together
Laura Quick:Yeah.
Shane Quick:That when you bring a therapist into the room, maybe it just feels safe enough to have that conversation.
Laura Quick:Mhmm.
Shane Quick:And we do work on those things.
Laura Quick:We're learning a lot about intimacy, and we're tiptoeing. I mean, we're both, like, come from drug addict parents, not, you know, not his, both, mine, one of them. Abusive environments, lots and lots of trauma layered in there, and just, like, traumatic event after traumatic event. And then you you know, I had this Enneagram coach who I love so much who Evan, I know y'all know her Mhmm. Who describes when you're born, you're born this, like, perfectly clean white sheet of paper.
Laura Quick:And she always has a white sheet of paper. And then she says, and then you're 1, and she crumbles it. And then you're 2, and then you're 10, and then you're and she balls up the sheet of paper, and she says, and then you meet each other Mhmm. As 2 balled up sheets of paper. And the work the essence of the work is you will never unwrinkle the paper, but you can get a full sheet of paper again.
Laura Quick:That's what doing the work really looks like. And then acknowledging this idea, like, hey, we are both scarred. Yeah. We are not what happened to us, but we and I think that right now, like, what Onsite taught me in this last little bit was we want to have an intimate, connected relationship, but we have a lot of guards up that our childhood told us, hey, if you wanna be safe hey, you live in a war zone. Yeah.
Laura Quick:Like, you live in a war zone. You need to protect yourself. For me, I mitigate everyone's feelings, but I'm like, oh, are you okay? You feel good? How are you?
Laura Quick:You're good. Do you need a you want a soft drink? Would you like a blanket? Are you cold? Like, you know and I don't do that for employees, but my clothes people, I am on guard.
Laura Quick:Is everything okay? And so what we're learning is how do we acknowledge how do we, 1, make sure our papers are at least full sheet of paper again? Yeah. And then, 2, acknowledge the fact that there's a lot of scars on our paper, and that's okay. It's just part of what happened to us.
Laura Quick:That's not who we are.
Mickenzie Vought:That's really graceful, I think. And just that you can view your partner through that lens and just say, oh, I see you and I accept all those wrinkles. But also to yourself, like, of course. Of course. I was in a war zone and I was doing the best I can.
Mickenzie Vought:I think about you saying, I did this, and it kept me alive, and it was good for me, and it kept me safe
Shane Quick:Right.
Mickenzie Vought:In figuring that out, but I'm not not safe now. And it's telling your body you're safe
Laura Quick:again and again.
Shane Quick:It's the wrong armor Mhmm. Yeah. In the relationship that I'm in now. It's it was designed for a different time. And how do you turn that off?
Shane Quick:Like, how do you know when you're 26 and you're you got your own life now. You don't have to be that way. Mhmm. You know, I think that's man, I wish I had started therapy when I was a kid. Mhmm.
Shane Quick:You know? And, and
Laura Quick:That's why we're so passionate about Yeah. Being advocates and talking so openly about our journeys and, like, telling people, like, therapy is awesome. It's the best thing you can I tell people it's the greatest gift you'll ever give yourself is to go to therapy? Like, go do the work. Like, yeah, it'll be hard, but shit, so is running 5 miles.
Laura Quick:Yeah.
Shane Quick:I think it's the I told someone this the other day, it is it's the greatest proof of our privileged generation that we actually have time and energy and finances to work on ourself.
Laura Quick:Mhmm.
Shane Quick:I mean, this Yeah. For 1000 of years, no one did that and and we're starting to see that more. It is proof that we're a very blessed generation to be able to do that. And, at Onsite, this last time, I I started working on something that I'd never worked on ever and it's the b word and I still don't really know how to do it, but it's boundaries.
Mickenzie Vought:Yeah.
Shane Quick:I mean, I've been Onsite a few times and it felt like I never heard them talk about it. I know they did, but it was real this time.
Laura Quick:Their ears weren't
Mickenzie Vought:ready for it?
Shane Quick:They weren't they were not they were not ready
Laura Quick:Yeah.
Shane Quick:For understanding how to have a
Laura Quick:Well, what were we we did we did equine.
Shane Quick:Equine. Yeah.
Laura Quick:With Didi.
Shane Quick:And Didi is just
Laura Quick:a mom.
Shane Quick:She's awesome.
Laura Quick:Like, the most precious Take her home. Literally, like, Didi, get in the bag. We're going home. Come with us. Didi said, a boundary.
Laura Quick:She's so cute. She's like, a boundary is just simply asking yourself 2 questions. Am I okay? If I'm not okay, what do I need to be okay? And I was like, that's it
Mickenzie Vought:right there.
Laura Quick:Yeah. I mean, but truly, like, this idea that especially and I feel like I was like, I know boundaries. I do boundaries. But then I realized, I don't do boundaries with Shane. I don't do boundaries with our boys.
Laura Quick:I suck at it. But I'm getting better at it. But that idea that I can ask myself, am I okay? And if the answer is no, then I can look at him and say, Hey, I'm not really okay. I need
Shane Quick:Speaking speaking your truth.
Mickenzie Vought:Mhmm.
Shane Quick:You know? This is this is how that made me feel. This is Laura said something, you know, at the very beginning of our relationship with a, a sermon that she had heard, from
Laura Quick:Brennan Manning.
Shane Quick:Brennan Manning. And, he says, how can you love me if you don't know what hurts me? And, basically, was talking about Jesus and how Jesus knew love because he knew what hurt us. Mhmm. And but I feel like that is probably the deepest thing that I've learned in couples therapy is learning what hurts Laura.
Mickenzie Vought:Mhmm.
Shane Quick:And knowing to avoid that and because it's crazy and this is probably the thing that scared me the most about our relationship in the beginning. I always tell people, she scares the absolute hell out of me because of losing her. Yeah. You know? And And
Laura Quick:also, whatever it is on paper. She You know what I mean?
Shane Quick:Is that her her trauma and her pain Yeah. And mine bring a
Laura Quick:reaction Mhmm. To
Shane Quick:our lives that is a trigger. We our triggers trigger each other. It's a double trigger.
Mickenzie Vought:Mhmm.
Shane Quick:The way I respond when I am threatened to her is her greatest fear.
Laura Quick:He's like unblocks completely and I'm like, hey, where you going? Yeah. Where you
Shane Quick:going? I I leave, you know, and she and she's her fear.
Laura Quick:Great. More people leaving. Got it. Great. Yeah.
Mickenzie Vought:It just confirms what you're already believing. Totally.
Laura Quick:I suck.
Shane Quick:Yeah. But learning that. Like, I had no idea that all I was trying to do was survive, you know?
Laura Quick:The war.
Shane Quick:And and in my weakest moments, she was, you know, she was needy. Like, I was needy and my response made her needy. I'm like, what the hell? Why do I when I'm in this situation, why do you become more needy than me? You know?
Shane Quick:But I'm what I was doing with to her was only triggering her greatest fears. You know? And so therapy has taught us those things that this is her fear. This is her greatest, you know, and then therapy on my own is me learning that myself. Yeah.
Shane Quick:And being able to speak my truth and what is that. And so, yeah. It's doing the work on both sides is the greatest investment you can make.
Mickenzie Vought:I wanted to hear from Shane and Laura how they hold space for one another to do their own work and support each other in different seasons of growth and struggle. Because I've often found when we don't feel like we're personally struggling, it can be easy to just leave our partner on the side lines and assume the issue is individualized to the other person, when in fact, we're only as healthy as the least healthy person in a relationship.
Laura Quick:I hired a new therapist at the beginning of this year, and I was like, I'm in maintenance. Thank you so much. Oh, my God.
Shane Quick:I'm actually Change in crisis.
Laura Quick:No. I literally I was like, hi. I'm here. I'm just mostly in maintenance. So, sort of work on, like, I'm writing a book and so, like, sometimes things come up for me.
Laura Quick:I wanna be able to process those with you. And he was like, great. And then 3 weeks later, Shane's like, I'm gonna burn down our life. And I'm like, I'm not and he so my therapist looked at me and he's like, hey, you're not in maintenance anymore.
Mickenzie Vought:Let's just call that out.
Laura Quick:Thanks, Mills. Thanks for the newsflash. I had no idea I thought I was still in maintenance.
Lindsey Nobles:That's so funny to me.
Mickenzie Vought:Because I think about how we're in relationship with people. And even though, like, you're doing well over here, you can't not be affected. And I don't I mean, especially when you're in close, intimate, vulnerable relationship and allow yourself to be seen in that way, his crisis becomes a little bit of your crisis. And what is that Oh,
Laura Quick:I was also contributing. I mean,
Mickenzie Vought:of course.
Laura Quick:Like, on I definitely know now that, like, yes, he was in crisis, and obviously, I was in maintenance. Duh. Because that's what grown people say when they've been doing all this work. As it turns out, the work's never done. But that wasn't true, because when we went to Onsite what I realized is, like, my contribution was he was he was spinning.
Laura Quick:Mhmm. And I made an attempt and an attempt and an attempt, and then I was like, okay. Well, good luck with that. I'm gonna go into maintenance, and I'll be doing
Mickenzie Vought:my own work.
Laura Quick:And, you let me know when you're and that was, like, not what he really needed from me. You know, I would like to go back to that version and be like, fight, girl. Get in there. You know? But I know that now.
Laura Quick:Yeah.
Lindsey Nobles:Yeah. Thank y'all for, like, letting us behind the curtain. I think that, like, being single and having the privilege to be around a lot of people that are married and, like, deeply in the relationships. Like, all marriages, all partnerships are messy.
Mickenzie Vought:Mhmm. Yeah.
Lindsey Nobles:And it's like, are you dealing with the mess or are you not dealing with the mess? And what I can tell is that y'all have clearly, like, dealt with the mess and are dealing with the mess, you know, like and willing to keep choosing each other and keep working on yourselves and each other, and that commitment is inspiring. So thank you.
Shane Quick:It's kinda like kudzu, you know, like
Lindsey Nobles:And Alabama.
Shane Quick:In Alabama kudzu, you're you're just it's never gonna always be gone, like, but you have to keep it from taking your house over. You know, like, you can't kill kudzu.
Mickenzie Vought:For those of us who are from the north, what is kudzu?
Laura Quick:Kudzu is it's, it's a leafy vine. But it will take a
Lindsey Nobles:look at anything. Forget.
Shane Quick:It's very fast growing vines, and everybody just knows you can't kill kudzu. It just it's gonna come back and keep growing. And I think therapy and trauma is that way. I think it's just Mhmm. We're all screwed up, you know?
Shane Quick:We live in a world that's constantly weighing on us.
Laura Quick:And poking us.
Shane Quick:And poking. Yeah. You know, there's always a new season, you know, or like I said, my son in 3 weeks, you know, graduates and, like, this new season of dealing with that. And there's always seasons in life and and and it's you're never gonna kill that ivy, that that kudzu, but you can keep it clipped back and you can keep it from taking your house over.
Laura Quick:It could look really beautiful is what he's saying. Yeah. Manage kudzu.
Shane Quick:Yeah. Manage it.
Mickenzie Vought:As we rounded out this conversation, we also wanted to explore how doing their own mental health work and work as a couple has impacted the other relationships in Shane and Laura's life. It was fascinating to hear how their passion for this work extends into every area of their lives.
Lindsey Nobles:You've mentioned kids a couple of times. Y'all both have big jobs. How has, like, doing your personal work and your couple's work impacted those other roles in your life? Like because it feels like if you're coming in from this place of success and, like, the work sounds kind of scary of, like, hey. I'm gonna deal with the fact that I need more boundaries around work.
Lindsey Nobles:That sounds like it wouldn't necessarily help you with work, but has it? Like, how how has it
Laura Quick:Well, I think that's I I believe that my own personal mental health journey and really, like, getting into therapy and, one, that idea of maintenance is so hilarious because the truth is that I think when you're healed up enough is typically when new work reveals itself. You know, another layer gets pulled back and you're like, damn. More. Oh, cool. Forgot about that.
Laura Quick:Great. I'm glad that came and popped back up. Yeah. And I think one of the things we try to do in our home and with our friends and our employees is to talk openly about our own journey. You know, obviously, whatever's appropriate for the audience.
Laura Quick:But, with our children specifically, I think that us being in therapy and making that a normal thing. Like, it's normal that for us to be like, we can't do that. We've got therapy that day. Or, you know, or for us to be like, hey, this is something I'm learning. And I think that it's allowed our kids to have a vocabulary and to ask for what they need because I think that our children the best way to raise your raise your children is to live a life that you want them to live.
Laura Quick:Right? And so, and to give them permission to do that. I think it's the same thing in leadership. You know? Somebody asked me on a leadership podcast recently, like, how do you handle, dealing with, like, this new generation of people that you're leading?
Laura Quick:Like, they're completely different than the millennials, and they're completely different than this. And I was like, I change. That's good. Me. I have to be in control of how I evolve.
Laura Quick:I cannot expect them to figure out how to comply with me. I have to figure out how their brain's working and what motivates them and lean in, and I think it's the same with our children. And their be really helps with that because it makes us more flexible. And flexibility, I think, is between curiosity and flexibility, those are 2 of the greatest characteristics a human can have. That's good.
Laura Quick:That's my answer.
Shane Quick:Yeah. I mean, I think it's you know, we've at, you know, at our new companies, Premier and Peachtree, we talk about therapy. We talk about Onsite It's it's a very open thing. And we, when I went to Onsite, I didn't tell him I was going on vacation or that I was going whatever.
Shane Quick:I said I'm going Onsite.
Laura Quick:Yeah. Same with myself.
Shane Quick:And even today, where are you heading next? Well, we're doing a couple's therapy podcast and, it's it's, me and my partners, we I think we're gonna go to the alumni, in August or is September. September. The experience is LCC alumni.
Laura Quick:Oh, yeah? Yeah.
Lindsey Nobles:And, I love that.
Laura Quick:I'm not going, but they're going.
Shane Quick:But, you know, it's just having that conversation about therapy to my employees. And we started a chaplain program 2 years ago, where someone needs therapy, and our company is available 247, and I'm always blown away about how many people are using it. Mhmm. And, you know, I didn't think many people would, but it's really been amazing. I try to figure out how to offer that to our people and just even talking about it openly, I've had competitors, people that I thought hated me in our industry, call me in a crisis and say, Hey, can you call Miles?
Shane Quick:I need to get in there tomorrow. I love talking about it, you know? And I say, I think with our kids, we definitely make it very open to them that we have to have therapy because we're damaged and we're, you know, we've we've gone through a lot in life. And, I think our kids need to see that we have a good relationship with that. And And
Laura Quick:we apologize to our kids a lot too, you know, and we mess it up. I think that's so important. It's something that's really changed the dynamic of our house. I was gonna say, also, we rolled out a new program at Good Grit where we will, do in kind services for therapists, like, if they need website work or, like, branding or whatever, and then they'll trade services with our staff, so that they can get access to therapy. And that's been really, you know, I mean, we're smaller.
Laura Quick:We're not, we're not premier size. They're really, really big. We're like, I know, 20 people. You know, so Whatever. But it's been Big deals, really.
Mickenzie Vought:Yeah. Yeah. There's something about, being willing to raise your hand and give people the gift of going second. I think that's something I talk a lot about. So I think being willing to say that, and so thank you.
Mickenzie Vought:Being willing to go first for the people in your life, and especially when you have influence, I think, is so important. I love how even people who you think hate you know you're a safe space for that. They're not ashamed to come to you.
Shane Quick:That was great. That was a huge honor. People like I said, people that never call me, like, I know you went because I was maybe vulnerable enough to mention that I did, and I was spinning out, and I was about to burn my life down, and I didn't, you know, and when they get into that place, they think of you immediately. Yeah. Because there's not many people in their life that they can call about that.
Shane Quick:Mhmm.
Laura Quick:So,
Shane Quick:yeah, that's been really cool. And
Laura Quick:I don't really know anybody that actually hates you. I think that Oh,
Shane Quick:I'm sure there's some.
Mickenzie Vought:And I think it's helpful to see someone who is in a successful place also pursuing health. Because especially in the creative industry, I think, in our town, there can feel like my edge, my creative edge comes from this dark part, not dealing with this or whatever. And so where have you seen in your own life of, hey, when I do this work, it actually
Laura Quick:Frees me?
Mickenzie Vought:Yeah. It frees me and elevates and kind of the word that Miles often uses is optimizes my life.
Shane Quick:Yeah. I had myself I had convinced myself for a
Laura Quick:long time that my screwed up ness
Shane Quick:in my family and all successful in my career. The reason why I was successful in my career, and that's a dumb way to think. Yeah. It really is. You know?
Shane Quick:Because I think, you know, if you don't work on those things, and and creatives do deal with that a lot, there is a there the only way to be successful long term is to also be mentally healthy.
Laura Quick:Yeah.
Shane Quick:And you might have short term success. And we see it so often in the creative space of people burning their lives down, incredible amount of suicide. Mhmm. You know, and and you also learn that thing that, yeah, maybe you did get the record deal or maybe you did get on that tour or maybe you did get to manage that band or whatever it is you do, you learn the thing that we all learn is it didn't make you happy. Mhmm.
Shane Quick:It didn't bring you peace, you know, and because if you do have that, you still have an an unresolved trauma in your life, you can't even be happy. Mhmm. You know?
Laura Quick:Well, it takes up so much space. So those things always are going to take up. It doesn't matter how cool the thing is that you're doing. This other thing is just looming. It's always in the room with you no matter where you go.
Shane Quick:And so It's like when Jim Carrey said, I wish you guys could achieve all your dreams just so you could realize that it is not gonna work. It's not enough. Mhmm. You know? And
Laura Quick:she's done that a couple of times.
Shane Quick:Yeah. I mean, yeah, I, you know, I had all these goals and checklists of things I wanted to accomplish even very vain things, honestly, a lot of times, you know, when I was working at the factory, one of the, one of the salesmen that would come try to sell me things because I was a purchasing agent at this factory had a Range Rover. You know? And I was this 23 year old high school dropout living in North Alabama and riding around in this badass, you know, white leather Range Rover, and I thought this is the epitome of success. You know?
Shane Quick:This thing is as tight. It hits those corners, man. This thing, it smells good. And I remember when I bought 1, you know, and, like, it's not a great car, you know, it's like, it's, it's, it's not everything I thought it would be, you know, and like that times a1000, you know, and, and I will say that that was really the, one of the gifts that I got from COVID when I was sitting on the back porch with my wife, my 2 dogs, and, our boys were somewhere and a cigar, you know, and I was like, okay. This this is success.
Shane Quick:Yeah. You know, this is what's great. And, yeah, so I would say that, I've become way more successful as I have gotten as I've worked on my mental health, because success is not just how many hours I'm working or how much money I'm making, is that I'm actually happy. Yeah. You know, actually peace in my life and, can sleep at night, you know.
Laura Quick:I also think we learned a lot about, you know, I work in a creative space too, and I do think it's really interesting that when you do your work and when you're practicing gratitude and you're seeing what is Mhmm. You know, that the thing that you focus on always gets bigger. So it's gonna multiply no matter what. And so the mindset, like, what happens to our minds when we're focusing on the big thing, that dark thing that's in the room versus, oh, wow. I love my back porch.
Laura Quick:Man, our kids are healthy. Yeah. Shane did just get a new car that no one drives. He loves that thing. Don't let him fool you.
Laura Quick:He got him a grenadier. Nobody even knows what he does. But I do think, like, that is something that we talk about a lot with our staff. And and anybody who will listen, we will talk about mental health in our journey. Well, I was talking to Matt before, and we've known him for 5 minutes.
Laura Quick:And I feel like a kindred spirit to him because he's just so open and had it on his sleeve about, like, this changed my life. It changed our life too. I mean, as much as, like, I always tell people, like, Jesus definitely saved me, but I don't know if I could have even got to my faith without my mental health being online. Mhmm. Having some tools.
Laura Quick:I couldn't even ask other questions I needed to ask because I was too pissed. Like, well, you know, I have that big ass storage unit. What are we gonna do with that, God? You wanna talk about that? No.
Laura Quick:You don't. But, like, I didn't know. So I do think it's like this you know, what we focus on is gonna get bigger. And so being able to see the people and the things and the gratefulness changes everything, but also you can't just optim be optimistic and work your way through life.
Shane Quick:Now one one other thing Yeah. Was so, like, I'm still very competitive. Mhmm. I still wake up every day with my list, chopping wood, going after it, but now I know that when I achieve that, it's not going to bring me true happiness. Yeah.
Shane Quick:Yeah. I'm going to achieve the goal, but but my friendships, the people in my life, being able to be by myself and be okay, you know, and, and to be with other people and be okay. I know that that's where true happiness has come from. And I would say my my friend group has exploded since Onsite compared, because I had no I had one friend, like, really, most of my life, and just never allowed that space.
Laura Quick:Wait. There was a whole long line of people who wanted to be your friend.
Shane Quick:I know. Yeah. And there were a lot of people that are good to me, but I was never a friend back to them. Not a
Mickenzie Vought:friend. You have to be a friend.
Shane Quick:That's right.
Mickenzie Vought:So my mom said
Shane Quick:Totally.
Laura Quick:Shane had a lot of people pursuing him, and I will say that's a gift too, you know, for the people that'll hang out and wait for you to catch up.
Shane Quick:Yeah. So yeah. But I think there there is a ways to still be competitive. Yeah. To still be incredibly creative.
Shane Quick:And it's the only way, really, to do that mentally healthy. And if you're out there thinking that, yeah, I need to stay in my shit so I can still be good at what I do, then you've lost your mind. Or you're going to.
Laura Quick:Or maybe you've just never been out of the shit and you don't know how good it is out there.
Shane Quick:Totally.
Laura Quick:It's just so much better to have clarity and space and breathing room and good people around you and lots of things to be grateful for.
Mickenzie Vought:That's so good. Y'all, this has been such an incredible conversation, and I think Thank
Laura Quick:you. Yes. Let's do it.
Shane Quick:Thank you, guys.
Mickenzie Vought:Thank you for just showing up so authentically and vulnerably, and I am grateful from both of you. I feel like you made our jobs really easy. We didn't even hardly any ask any questions. You were great. As we round out, one of the things we often ask is, what is one practice that keeps you centered?
Mickenzie Vought:And so I wonder for the 2 of you, what is one practice that keeps you centered in your relationships? Let's add that little caveat to it.
Shane Quick:Go ahead.
Laura Quick:Date nights. Date nights with no phones. Actually, our best new practice is no phones 6 to 9 PM, Monday through Friday. You can't touch your phone. You just have to stand and hover over that weird ass charger we have it hooked to.
Laura Quick:So it's real weird for you.
Shane Quick:Yeah. I would say that, that has been huge. And being able to when we got to Onsite this last time with no technology, the intimacy between she and I, it went
Laura Quick:Better than it's ever been.
Shane Quick:It went from 0 to a100.
Laura Quick:And I didn't even like them. I was like, but do you wanna make out? I'm really mad at you, but I will make out with you.
Shane Quick:I swear. It was instant. Like, the amount of kissing we wanted to do, like, by turning off that, just turning the world off and completely focusing on each other, which is so hard for us all to do. So that's huge. I say the 2 hour drive to Nashville for me from Cullman, Alabama is pretty amazing.
Shane Quick:I really love it. I just love that alone time. And I'm one of the weirdos in the world that drives down the road with 0 music happening. I'm just driving with no sound. And it is just good for me
Laura Quick:to
Shane Quick:process that. But yeah, we came we came back from every time we go to Onsite we come back with something that sticks.
Laura Quick:Yeah.
Shane Quick:You know, let's talk about the the 2 degrees, and it's about all that sticks. Right? But if 2 can, 2 degrees can, and the 2 degrees this time has been that sacred time after work, 1 hour after work, you know, you still come home. You're still coming off the, you know, the whatever, doing the emails. 6 to 9, no phones, and it's been amazing, really.
Mickenzie Vought:Well, thank you all for giving us little tidbits into your life and pulling back the curtain. Thanks for listening to the Living Centered Podcast. If you're enjoying the show, we'd love for you to consider leaving us a review or rating on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever else you listen. It only takes a few seconds to navigate to the show in your app and select the stars to begin your rating. It helps more people find the show, and we really appreciate it.
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