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Explore how the social construct of race and racial oppression operates at multiple levels with a rotating focus on different social systems. Connect with Austin-area justice movement organizers and everyday people with relevant lived experience to lay out historical context, current affairs, and creative possibilities for a liberated future.
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Hello lovely people. This is Stacie Freasier, pronouns are she and they. I really appreciate you tuning in to KOOP Radio and the monthly show that I host called Racism on the Levels. This is part of the Austin KOOPerative Radio Hour Collective. The purpose of the show is to explore how the man-made construct of race operates at the internal, interpersonal, cultural, institutional, and systemic levels with a focus on creative possibilities for a liberated future. I am a justice movement weaver, a facilitator, a guide, a Kingian Nonviolence Trainer, and mother to a radiant five-year-old named Rumi. This show's purpose is to hold space for storytelling and information sharing with greater Austin area folks who center equity, liberation, justice, and solidarity -- be they healers, guides, storytellers, experimenters, frontline responders, visionaries, builders, caregivers, and/or disruptors. Shout out to Deepa Iyer for framing these roles within the Social Change Map.
So the views expressed here are not necessarily those of the KOOP Board of Directors, staff, volunteers, or underwriters. We are broadcasting and recording on stolen Indigenous land and Indigenous people, the Tonkawa, the Coauiltican, Comanche, Sana, Jumanos, and many others faced inconceivable losses and attempted erasure due to violent settler colonialism.
This show centers justice. So I want to take a moment as I do every show to acknowledge that truth and to ask you to think about how you can engage in active reparations and join me in reclamation efforts. So I originally had two guests on my show today. One guest is here in spirit (Hi, Rochelle out there). Hopefully, you're tuning in.
So I'm gonna be the messenger for an announcement that Rochelle wanted to make and also to play one of Rochelle Tyrell's songs later in the show. Sitting here in the flesh next to me is Tyra Clark. So Tyra, welcome to the show, and thank you for coming and holding space with me today. Peace and blessings. Thank you so, so much Stacie for having me and it's an honor.
Thank you. So we're going to dive into your work, Tyra, momentarily, but I do want to put on folks' radar a couple of upcoming community events and announcements. The first came from Rochelle Terrell, who again, couldn't be here today in person, but this event is happening tomorrow. It is HEAL. It's the first annual Health Equity Advocacy and Leadership Summit. And that's taking place at H .T. Huston Tillotson University from 8-5. It's free for the public to attend, and the focus of this summit will be health equity advocacy leadership, cultivating authentic collaboration for health equity initiatives within Medicare and Medicaid, emphasizing implementing practical strategies to address disparities in healthcare. So I invite you to take a look at that. You can register online at hcdi.com/heal.
So that is announcement number one. And then number two is one of my organizing homes, UWSA, which is Undoing White Supremacy Austin is hosting an evening, a screening of Ava DuVernay's Origin, which is a film inspired by Isabella Wilkerson's Caste, The Origin of Our Discontent.
That is taking place on April 24th, next Wednesday. Doors open at 6. The movie starts at 7. We'll have an hour of conversation and community gathering before the film starts. It's at East Side Cinema on Hargrave Street here in East Austin. You can get tickets at eastsidescinema.com.
Tickets are $12, and we don't want that to be a barrier from you attending, so go ahead and feel free to email me and then I can link you to ways to receive a subsidy for that. We don't want anyone to miss out if they want to be there and be in community with us. My email is stacie@koop.org.
All right, so let's move into our conversation, Tyra. Please introduce yourself and the pieces of your identity that you feel are relevant to today's conversation. We were just having a talk about, well, which parts of my identity am I gonna wear today? So share any parts of your identity that you want today that will serve our conversation. Excellent. Thank you for this gentle space and time. So yeah, which part of my identity? Many hats. I do want to start off saying that I'm Austin, Austin Rays. Shout out to my Maplewood Mustangs, O. Henry Mustangs. I'm also Austin High alumni. So deep roots in Austin. And I sort of hail from what used to be called the Blackland community. That's where my ancestors come from, my grandfather. And then as I've grown and the family has evolved, we're still doing work in that space. How can we uplift people?
So for those of you who don't know, the Blackland community once upon a time was a prominent space in Austin where Black business owners and leaders could thrive and take care of their community in a reasonable way without inflation, right? It took a village and that's what we had. Gentrification and displacement have taken place since Blackland was thriving in Austin back in the day. So since I come from that, I'm trying to rebuild what once was to sort of give people who are, you know, their quality of life has been compromised, sort of give them a hand up, you know, because that's my ancestry. So jus I'm from here and have roots here and ready to keep on rolling up my sleeves and get to work.
Yeah, if you hadn't said it, it would have been my next question. So what are your Austin roots and what is your connection to place here? Blackland neighborhood. I am reading a very interesting book that I encourage folks to check out. It's called Shadows of a Sunbelt City, the Environment, Racism and the Knowledge Economy in Austin. It is by Eliot Tretter. It's available at Austin Public Library to check out. And they, the author, talks about the Blackland neighborhood and how the University of Texas acquired and was responsible for developing most of the land by eminent domain and displacing a lot of Black folks from that specific neighborhood. So yeah, Shadows of a Sunbelt City. So you said your grandparent, grandfather.
Yes, yes. Long line here. And then my mother, who's a phenomenal woman, a spiritual leader. She's a pastor here in the city and a licensed professional counselor. She took on his mantle. You know, I kind of took on hers as with the entrepreneurial spirit we have. But for sure, it started with the grandpops, the grandpappy set the tone for, you know, how we're supposed to conduct ourselves in this village, you know, and take responsibility and be the change we want to see. I appreciate that. So let's turn to your organizing interests and your activities and go ahead and just start jumping wherever. Absolutely. So I'm kind of as far as interest goes, I'm a hybrid. I, by trade, do mental and behavioral health work. I've worked with, and I apologize for the outdated term I'm about to use, but I've worked with probationers of the State in my line of work before. I've worked with at-risk youth. So I guess my interests are people, and specifically those who need help working out the knots. Maybe there's something in their life that they need help unpacking and I, for whatever reason, have a knack for that. And also enjoy help, you know, because when we serve others or help others, or at least for me anyway, it also helps me. I'm learning and stepping into my calling as I serve. So I'm interested in people, mental and behavioral health, and then I'm also interested in film production. I'm a mid-career writer/producer. I didn't used to be a name dropper, but I've noticed I'm doing that more now. I work with Martin Jones. He's the studio director here and for Austin Studios. We have interned for Director Richard Linklater and just a lot of really cool stuff in the community to sort of bolster the film production work that I do.
So film production, mental health, behavioral health, and maybe gardening every now and then. But those are for sure the interests. And they're heavier interests, they're deep, and it sounds like more of a job, but those are what helps me, you know, help my heart and my mind grow for sure. Yeah, thank you for that.
I'll invite a reframe on the name-dropping because I do it myself. What it is, really, is giving flowers to evoke Qi Dada and Chaka from Riders Against the Storm. Flowers for the Living. I mean, let's give flowers for the living, right? And so that's it. And now, since we're waxing here, because I also am a plant parent to a lot of plants, I use a lot of garden metaphors. So, you know, I show up as a human being as a cross-pollinator. So I am a busy bee and I am like spreading the pollen around. And so that's also part of this quote "name dropping" is cross-pollinating. And we have a lot of audience members and listeners who are very into film and we have a lot of programming dedicated to film. So thank you for doing that because you're bringing them into the conversation by mentioning them. I love that. Ooh, I like that reframe. Hey, we're just handing each other gifts. The master at work.
Now we're having too much fun, I gotta focus. So this show is called Racism on the Levels and you know, racism is pervasive, sticky, seemingly everlasting, I can't wait to not have a show called this, everything of the past, but what is your racial identity, why do you feel the need to do what you do, and how can that address some of the ills that racism has brought upon people? Definitely, it's such a good question.
So I've actually firsthand personally experienced racism. And I hate to say this, because I love my city and this town, and it's growing and redesigning itself. But Austin has, it's come a long way, you know, but in this particular town, especially since the 1928 master plan, which I'm not sure too many people are familiar with. But the structural racism and then, you know, just on a personal level, I've experienced, and when I say structural racism, I'm talking about the displacement and the gentrification. In fact, my family, my grandpa used to have a Piggly Wiggly shop where he played his piano and gave people food right there off of Manor Road. It's now the Salty Sow, but that used to be our home, you know? So little things like that, right? And then of course, racism was also just recently, Austin made racism a public health crisis. They've acknowledged that. It affects our health.
It's absurd that that had to be recognized. Yeah. I mean, formally, right. That oppression is obvious, right? Captain obvious. When you, when you are shut out of, you know, resources and, things taken from you and your life, your quality of life is compromised.
It's heavy stress, you know, it's actually, it kind of reinforces trauma, which is also where I step in with that mental and behavioral health background. And, you know, strokes, high blood pressure, because you don't have access to resources or you've lost your home or you've lost your job because of some discrimination. And of course that's extreme, but that's, that is what happens. And what do you do when racism is the insidious underbelly of these things that are happening in our lives that we are muted on a little bit, so to speak, or just trying to be like, hey y 'all, y 'all see this, this is real and don't deny it. Nobody likes to talk about racism in a party. Like, hey y 'all, let's talk about racism tonight. But we're gonna talk about it. Yeah.
As long as we have access to mics. Right. That's what we're doing here. Right. Yeah. So it's in there. It's a fabric. Yeah. It's here. And I, yesterday I went to a rally and I got to give Brother Cornell West a 90-second bear hug. And that was so filling to my heart. So I'm going to use his words on this because he, he, he, he says, you know, it doesn't just affect the chocolate community, it affects the vanilla community. And I am a vanilla-flavored person. And so this racism is toxic to everybody. Everybody, in different ways and I'm not saying it's equal -- I'm just gonna like be very explicit about that. But to not confront and work to actively create alternatives, that is absolutely toxic to a vanilla-bodied person. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. There is no humanity in racism at all. Yeah, there is it. I'm glad you brought that up too, because it's not, yeah, we all have different vantage points and perspectives and I can't diminish or minimize someone's experience just because of the color of their skin. We all have most of us have been through some type of process where it violated us and racism, although it's kind of elusive sometimes, if you're not educated or aware, it might roll right over you. And that's why I saw, actually another reason why I've just, as I've grown, I'm becoming more civic-minded because you can't, at some point, you do have to challenge it. You know, and say, hey, like this is, this is happening. And it also might be happening to my sister, my brother, or my friends, no matter what we look like. And we, we have to stand as a united front and, and be, um, if we can't do anything financially depending on your circumstances, then we could at least like, in my instance, me and another young lady who's awesome here, Maria Brown Spence, we came up with a project that will tackle some of these issues. We just didn't see people trying to tackle racism through the grief loss space like we have. That's our solution, that's our resolution. Hey, can't do the work on a national scale maybe, but on a hyper-local level, here's our take on combating racism.
So tell me if I came up with this terminology on the way over here or if you use this in your narrative about your project. I was thinking, okay, for social media, what is this? What are we talking about today? And I was like, we're talking about grief justice. Yeah. Do you use grief justice as, as a term, because it's a social justice issue too. For sure. So what does racial justice look like in grief and healing? Racial justice and grief and healing. Um, I think it's a bit of, well, with grief, it's disenfranchised. When you experience grief, it can feel disenfranchising.nYou can feel left out and looked over and depleted and, because grief is so multifaceted. So the grief justice work or the social justice work is really just like illuminating suppressed, repressed voices that have experienced certain levels of disenfranchisement, who are sometimes -- most times -- connected to racism, and exposing that, talking about it, getting some therapy in place, or tools equipping the folks that we're serving through this project, giving them tools to be able to fight back for lack of a better term, but just do the work through the grief and to overcome some of the stuff that's sort of blowing in the wind with all of the challenges they're coming up against with racism. Or maybe in other words to reclaim their power, reclaim their power. That disempowerment may have happened due to racial trauma. So it's reclaiming power in that way.
And another big part of grief is now more than ever, because homelessness is exploding, displacement and gentrification. And then the loss of financial resource or economic resources has been the biggest component. Because with grief, grief is you can lose anything, not just something tangible. The intangibles are there too. So yeah, we try to give them what they need to have the talking points to with the trauma that they're trying to unravel and recover from and then give them some hope. Like I think with this work, you need to be anchored in hope and then you need to know that there's some restitution coming. There's some type of healing coming. You just have to. You get that healing when you're in the trenches doing the work, you know? So yeah, this is. Yeah. The work is the medicine. Yes. The work is the medicine.
If you're just joining us, you are tuned into Racism on the Levels. And my guest today is Tyra Clark. Tyra and I are discussing, we first went through Tyra's deep, deep roots back to her grandpa who ran a store on Manor in Blackland. Robert Fud Shaw, Texas barrelhouse Blues player if y 'all ever want to look him up. Yes, thank you for that. So you talked about your film interests and backgrounds.
So tell me how Change Grief came about as a project and what it is. I think we kind of did cart before the horse on that a little bit. So Change Grief and shout out to Maria Brown Spence who's my partner in this project and really the lead. Maria is a veteran here and she runs the nonprofit Hearts2Heal -- a grassroots nonprofit here in Austin. And in fact, I want to say, and I could be wrong on this, but I think she's the only black-owned grief loss nonprofit resource here. I could be wrong, but she's one of few. Um, so that's really a pivotal reason why I wanted to connect with Maria, just because of the space she's in. I know the grief loss landscape, especially for communities, for underrepresented communities and communities of color, the grief loss landscape is, there's lack there, there's lack of supplies, there's lack of resources, there's lack of information and education. So we teamed up to sort of build the capacity in this space. She and I met back in 2020 when the pandemic hit and did some community counseling, we did an open forum for folks to join when the pandemic hit. And I think when "snowvid" hit, through the Black Leaders Collective, which she and I are a part of, we were able to open up a space where people could just vent about what's going on with them. And that was nice. And then through that process, she and I decided to stick together. She reached out to me and said, Hey, I have this idea about a Change Grief project and I really, you know, I think you should be on and we should take it here. And, so it was her idea because she's in this space and we've worked together before and then we're aligned -- both she and I do mental health and behavioral health work. So it just made complete sense to latch onto this, stick it out and then build on it together.
Change Grief Project is really about an organic community grief project. It's about meeting people where they're at and changing the way we talk about grief. It shouldn't be taboo. You shouldn't be grappling with the nuances of grief individually or alone. It should also be in community. And a lot of us have gotten away from that reality because we've been stripped of community due to the pandemic. Thank you, pandemic. And our worlds have been shattered and we might not know how to get back to community the way we should, to help conversations like this grow and strengthen us. And there's a racial overlay on that because who didn't have access to the testing, who didn't have access to the information when the pandemic hit. You just hit on something right there relevant to the show.
So we're going to be right back. We've got to pause for station traffic and we'll pick it back up.
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Welcome back. You are listening to KOOP Radio, HD1, HD3, Hornsby, 91 .7 FM. And we are streaming on our website, koop.org. My guest today is Tyra Clark. And we are talking about grief and loss and racial justice around that and the work that Tyra is doing in the community in collaboration with Hearts2Heal and the Change Grief Project, which I want to continue to shine a light on and elevate for folks.
I want to give a shout out to my friend Shoyinka Rahim, who has from the get-go provided as a gift her music for this show. And so you were just listening to Yum Vibrations by Soyinka Rahim. Her project is BIBOLOVE, and that's short for Breathe In Breathe Out, BIBOLOVE, and it's meditative and it's powerful and it's guttural and you're gonna keep hearing Soyinka's music on my show.
So the Change Grief Project -- we were at the origin and we made it to the pandemic and where did you go from there? Yes. So we started the creative development process. I'm laughing because if you know anything about grief, it's a lifelong thing sometimes. There's no time limit on how much, how long you grieve for something. And it's a heavy topic. It's a it's heavy subject matter. Like racism. Yeah. You don't show up to a party and say, let's talk about grief.
Exactly. It's both laugh or cry. That's right. Laugh and cry. And that's the full spectrum. The joy and the pain, which is the bedrock of grief. So the creative development process we took on this project has been extensive, you know, like two, three years actually into the making.
And we're finally at a space where we're about to launch a promotional portrait spotlight series for this project. We took pictures of community members who had deep repressed stories that we wanted to highlight. And we worked with Leta Harrison, who's a great photographer here in town, who helped us get that done. But through the creative development process, we've been able to soft launch a portrait series and then finally dip into the docu-series portion of this Changed Grief project, which is gonna be a four-part series. Maria and I have really chiseled it down. Like, you know, this is how we're going to tell this story and highlight voices and faces. And it's going to be a portrait series so people can talk about it on their own time. A docu-series so they can watch it on their own time. And then we also have community connections. So throughout the year, people can come and actually do grief work. We will hold space for support groups for free. You know, this is extremely accessible. Because that's one thing not just grief but racism will do -- it's a barrier. It will shut you out of things and the downward spiral is initiated. So, you know, to combat that and to make a positive spin on things we have different points people can connect with the projects. And that's just through the creative conversations. We're like, hey, we want to make sure that everyone gets a taste, a piece of this, no matter what time they come in on the project, they'll still be able to get the healing conversations they need and heal through art, which is another thing we're trying to highlight. Art is a form of healing, yes, but it's also when you can express yourself in a raw way, in an unapologetic way, you'll be able to thrive, become a high-functioning citizen and turn your life around. And to help the next person, because I think that's when we survive what we've been through and can give back. This is a part of that process, to empower and liberate and give people the courage to tell their story and then from there the chain reaction is, each one teach one, we'll lift up the next person and then the recovery begins. Each one, teach one. I love that. So, I was looking over to my comrade Michelle Manning Scott who's running the board graciously as always, for these conversations. Rochelle Terrell, who was going to be on the show today, is a great example of what you're describing because this show's concept came about through me casting a net out to my network saying I'm looking for a guest who centers BIPOC disability justice. And since music is one of my other concentric circles of communities, Pat Buchta said Rochelle, Rochelle New Music.
So Rochelle and I connected. I'm not gonna tell Rochelle's story, I'm gonna let Rochelle tell her own story when we can reschedule, but it was out of grief, grieving and caring for her father that was the catalyst for a lot of the music that she is creating and putting out in the world.
And so right before we went on air, she sent me a track and I want to play that right now. Bevo Blues. So let's give that a quick listen. This came out of grief, this creation.
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That was so good. That is a salve to the soul. You can find Rochelle on Instagram, handle is Bevo Blues, and Rachelle runs Bevo Blues Coffee Shop, which you can also find online. I hope that we can reschedule and then Rachelle will tell the fuller story of that.
What is your connection with Rochelle? Yeah, I was just about to say rest in power to her father T-bone. I know her father also just passed because she was a part of our portrait spotlights series for Change Grief and just a beautiful soul. Rochelle is an awesome woman and the way she told her father's story and you know, just kind of how grief has shaped her. It was absolutely profound and I'm so glad we were able to reconnect this way. I think after she did the project, she might have just connected the dots between what you needed.
I just am actually just learning her extensive music background and her father's. Her father was a poet. And of course, you said she'll share her story. But yeah, we've connected through the project and that's the way it's supposed to be. We've connected on a deeper level through the project. And I cannot wait to share space and heart space with more people to build community like that. We met at this tipping point to hold space for each other. But now that we are, have grown with each other and know that about each other, we can sort of look out, take care of it, you know, just be the eyes and ears that you didn't know you needed.
You know and that's what community is, and hopefully we'll get back to that. Yeah, or maybe we do know but we have no hope or a light. We know we need people, we need each other, and we need community because some things are too heavy to hold by yourself, and every person walking around is holding crushing beliefs, I believe mostly are untruths, and those are heavy. Collective care is what this is about. So I think this project is an antidote based on what you've described to me so far, to the way our society is structured. It's trying to make us isolated and individualistic because then that disempowers us. And then we can continue to row the boat and be oppressed. It's like, what world? Right? What dystopian nightmare are we living in? Because we are in it.
My favorite word is love. My second favorite word is hope. And I cannot remember and I'm going to bring it up later online to shine a light on whoever said hope is a choice, and it's the only choice to engage in revolutionary, radical organizing work. You choose hope. You choose love because love is here. Love is everywhere. In this conversation, there's so much love. You can't really affect change if you don't recognize that you've been trained, taught, and conditioned.
When you know that, you have to change hearts. You can't just change things on paper. You have to change the heart and that you cannot do in a silo. Boil down to the essence of us being people and humanizing ourselves and centering our humanity.
One step at a time though. One step at a time. And also, that brings up for me something. I'm really glad I took this jacket off, metaphorically -- that is the notion of scale and impact, right? The dominant narrative is impact. And how do you impact? Impact is more people, bigger, productivity, growth, and all of that.
Sometimes impact can be one thing that you said in love to someone else and then that turned their whole trajectory in a different direction. And so I no longer believe the narrative that impact means wider versus deeper. I am certainly at the point of deeper versus wider in my life as a 44-year-old mother.
Yeah, I love it's deep. It's not for sure, and maybe so we're so aligned because I am a firm believer in small but mighty, you know, that's the phrase. Small is big. Small is the new big. I feel like you're right. These are about deep conversations and one-on-one connections. One person can do so much, can change the world. So honoring that exchange, you know, and just not taking lightly how big small can be. Decentering impact means scalability. And centering impact it's hard to quantify sometimes. Thank you for setting that up. I think Change Grief is definitely rooted in quality. We're trying to slowly roll things out organically and because we're seeing that is what is actually working and matters and you know rushing things or trying to keep up with the industrial nonprofit complex You've got to reign it in. Calm it down now.
We're trying to create this new alternative future for ourselves while also operating and surviving within the constraints of the system that's oppressing us. And so funders, I think of timelines and grant amounts and all of that system is still here and we're still going on. I appreciate the concept of two contradictions existing at once.
Let's map the project out a little bit for people to learn about your funders, your supporters, and your model. And then maybe folks can start thinking about how they can plug in.
Such a rich conversation. Appreciate your time again today, Stacie. Yeah, so our supporters, our funders, right now, since we're still organically growing and it's a hyper-local project, we currently have the City of Austin Economic Development Elevate Program supporting the project, which is amazing. And we appreciate their support. So City of Austin funded. And then we also have a space that is really in its resurgence stage, and a lot of people forget about this space. It is called the African American Cultural Heritage Facility. It's off of 11th Street, which is the cultural district here in Austin. And it's a phenomenal space. We're in the Dedrick Hamilton House. Dedrick Hamilton used to be a freedman. He was a freed slave that came here and built the house. The space is a replica of the shotgun house that he had here. So there's a lot of history in the facility that supports where we take the pictures and are doing the docu-series. The community activations are in that space as well.
And it's intentional. It's a space that needs to be highlighted. The African American Cultural Heritage Facility is a space for projects like this, and not enough people know about that. And it's accessible. The bus line is right there on 11th Street so people can walk there, they could be dropped off there. Depending on their transportation situation, you know, we're, there's some flexibility and understanding and compassion for that.
Those are the two main places that support us right now. Of course, I own my own production company which supports, and Maria with Heart2Heal supports the project. So we have those four core supporters. What's the name of your production company? Strange Wisdom Entertainment. Where did that name come from? So I am a PK kid, preacher's kid, and it's a faith-based moniker that was tossed in my spirit and I went with it. It definitely plays a role. The name is connected to the hard work that I do and the wisdom that takes place in the heavy work with the projects that I take on like Change Grief and some others. I did a project called Catharsis, A Journey Through Anger. Shout out to Deborah Valcin, the director on that and Austin Film Society sponsored. But that was about anger, you know, so just different things like that. But yeah, we between.
If you're listening now and you're open or you want to sponsor a project, please reach out. You can find me on Instagram, Tyra T Clark, and then the Change Grief project on Instagram. Let us know if you want to support, or how we can collaborate, or how we can help you.
When is your next event or activation? Yes. Oh, great question. We plan on gently tackling our portrait spotlight series exhibit, which will be, we hope, open to the public end of April or May, and it'll bein the cultural heritage space that I mentioned earlier off of 11th Street. Our docu-series kicks off online at the end of May. We wanted to do it live but it'll first be on Hearts2Heal's website and on streaming platforms like YouTube. We'll do community screenings, as well.
All right, Tyra. Well, we are out of time today, but I wish you so much love and blessings and success with this project and the work you're doing in lifting up our collective community. And we're going to keep holding each other for a long time, I think. Thank you so much. The feeling is extremely mutual. Thank you for your precious time today and shout out to KOOP. KOOP.org is we stream all of our shows. My email is stacie@koop.org. Thank you for tuning in. The music you heard at the top and mid and going out was from Soyinka Rahim.
Remember in all things and always, love is the highest level.