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In this week's episode we’re bringing you a fast-paced pop culture roundup! Instead of diving into one specific topic, we each found a piece of news or an entertainment story that we thought was interesting and the four of us spend time discussing each one. We cover it all, from a headline-grabbing news article, a viral social media post to celebrity news. Join us as we share our thoughts on what’s making waves right now. Get ready for lively opinions, some laughs, and a dive into the current buzzworthy moments everyone’s talking about.
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What is The Shrink Down?
Four lifelong friends, all clinical psychologists, unpack the latest in current events, pop culture and celebrity news through the lens of psychology.
Vanessa (00:01.374)
Welcome to the shrink down today we're going to be doing a pop culture roundup or we might call this pop bites we haven't decided yet. This is where we each bring up a article a topic something we've seen in social media. That doesn't quite require a full 45 minute episode which is something that we each thought was interesting that we just wanted to chat about.
So we've each picked something for today. Before we do that, though, we're going to quickly do our four minute faves. And I'll start today. So I'm sharing something that's pretty quick and easy. I was trying to think of what I wanted to share. And I've had a couple people ask me about this. So I'm going to share my Loopy case. So it's a phone case that has the little finger hook on it. You see a lot of Instagramers. That's where I saw this. People I follow who recommend this. A lot of them are taking, I think, selfies with this.
Wilhelmina (00:40.209)
yeah.
Lauren (00:51.096)
Mm-hmm.
Vanessa (00:51.218)
I do not take selfies, but I like this because I constantly have it in my hand and doing 500, carrying the laundry basket and the books and the toys. And so I like it because it doesn't fall off my finger. And when I do occasionally take a group photo, it is kind of nice to have that because it stays on your finger. So if you are in the market for a new phone case, I highly recommend the Loopy case. I will say the one thing I don't like is that if you do the charging where you just place it on top of a charging station,
you have to take it off because this gets in the way. So I would say that's like the only annoying thing is that you have to take it off if you do like a charging station, but it plugs in just regularly. So I really do like my Libby case.
Wilhelmina (01:22.182)
Mm-hmm.
Teri (01:24.047)
All
Lauren (01:25.24)
Mm.
Wilhelmina (01:32.157)
So I have a pop socket and love it for the same reason. Like I can't even hold my phone without it because I so often am holding it like this for pictures. Like when we've done our group selfies, we were, when we were in Charlotte, we were trying to do it and I didn't have this. like, I don't know how to even take this without my little like grip. And this one, can, it comes off for charging. That's what, but I saw your loop cause I was like, that's nice and subtle. My pop socket is big. Yeah.
Vanessa (01:34.328)
Mm-hmm.
Lauren (01:49.422)
Hahaha
Vanessa (01:54.018)
Mm. thanks.
Yeah, it's like a small, yeah, yeah. So it's nice. All right, who wants to share next?
Wilhelmina (02:04.322)
I will go. I'm going to, I know last week I talked about a show, but, I was able to catch up on some shows. So I'm actually going to bring up another show that I've been liking. this is running point, on Netflix. Yes. So I have loved Kate Hudson, Hudson like forever. And, she hasn't done much recently. She's done like a, like a few things. She did the, like the knives out sequel and, but she hasn't
Lauren (02:16.962)
Yeah. Kate Hudson. Yeah.
Teri (02:22.127)
always done.
Lauren (02:28.194)
Yeah.
Wilhelmina (02:32.326)
been out and about in the movies as much. So this is, I saw a quick little blurb about it and it said, if you liked, nobody wants this. Like this is the show for you. It's like, I don't know, 10 episodes and they're 30 minutes each. So it's a quick, fast watch, very enjoyable. It's created by Mindy Kaling and it's a fictionalized version, I guess, of the
Lauren (02:44.32)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Wilhelmina (03:01.034)
a woman who is the owner of the LA Lakers. Yes. And so it isn't her, it's, I mean, it's yes, yes. So Kate Hudson becomes after her brother has a comedic accident related to drug use, she becomes the like next owner of the LA waves and no one sort of thinks she can do it. And of course,
Lauren (03:05.545)
A genie bus.
Lauren (03:11.608)
She like consulted on it.
Wilhelmina (03:30.886)
Like it's, you she sort of shows them that she can, but she does it differently. And it's very fun, very cute. There's some familiar faces. I'm not done with it yet, but I'm just, it's a nice little thing to pop on and feel good. You know, nothing intense or dramatic, but just fun. Yep, yep. Netflix, Netflix.
Lauren (03:49.368)
Don't have to think.
Teri (03:50.639)
Hmm.
Vanessa (03:51.17)
What's that on? Netflix.
Lauren (03:56.824)
I'll go. So I'm sharing the book I actually read on our vacation. And I thought it was perfect timing because I know people are getting geared up for spring breaks and trips and things like that. So this is a super easy, you might even think of it as like a beach read, it, mean, I don't know, it's not. Elin Hildebrand, and it's called The Five Star Weekend. She's the author that does all her books based out of Nantucket. So she sets a really pretty scene, which I kind of love. But this
book in particular was really, really good about five, well, there's a main character, but she brings together five women, each from a different decade of her life. So they're in their 50s. And it goes through each one of their stories. They all have something going on, one more interesting than the next. And they all kind of come together for the weekend. And so it goes through different perspectives and different things that they're going through. And it was a really easy read, but fun read.
So, highly recommend for a good vacation book.
Wilhelmina (04:59.984)
And it's like, brought up a fun discussion for us on our trip. We were walking and you talked about it. And then we were talking about what it would be like if we brought together friends from our decades and like, would that be awesome and amazing? Like, that be a complete, know? Yeah. So it was a fun, yeah.
Lauren (05:02.477)
Yeah.
huh.
Vanessa (05:06.638)
Congrats.
Lauren (05:12.5)
Yeah. Or a disaster. Yeah, it's kind of a cool concept. Yeah. So yeah, highly recommend.
Vanessa (05:13.742)
Who would we bring?
Teri (05:17.346)
Yeah
Vanessa (05:24.814)
hearing.
Teri (05:25.217)
Okay, so mine is a candy from Trader Joe's called Teensy Candy Bars. And it says on here actual size and they are mini Snickers. So they're slightly bigger than my thumbnail and they're so cute. My younger son Tommy and I discovered them at Trader Joe's and when we do movies at home, we'll do popcorn mixed with candy, usually some kind of sour fruity candy.
Lauren (05:29.623)
Huh.
Okay.
Wilhelmina (05:34.93)
You
mmmm
Lauren (05:37.93)
fun.
Vanessa (05:38.37)
No.
Lauren (05:41.743)
my gosh, they're so cute.
Wilhelmina (05:41.967)
my gosh.
Vanessa (05:45.506)
Okay.
Teri (05:54.477)
These are perfect to sort of sprinkle in because they're mini candy bars. They are so good. think, I mean, we got two bags of them. I think there's gonna be like three left in the second bag. And they're just so fun and easy for a movie snack. You can just dump them in with like fruity candy, sour candy, whatever, popcorn at Trader Joe's. Teensy candy bars. They do. And even though they're...
Wilhelmina (05:56.07)
Gosh.
Lauren (05:59.137)
Ooh, fun.
Lauren (06:08.364)
Yeah.
Lauren (06:14.7)
Love, Trader Joe's.
Vanessa (06:15.725)
yeah. Teensy and I.
Wilhelmina (06:16.634)
And do they taste like Snickers? those are my favorite.
Teri (06:21.507)
Snickers is one of my favorite candy bars, so I'm gonna be partial to it anyways. And you would think they're too little to taste like, to be legit, like a Snickers, but they are good. They're not too tiny, but they're so cute.
Wilhelmina (06:23.248)
Me too. Yeah.
Lauren (06:23.928)
Same. Yeah.
Lauren (06:33.644)
Yeah. I like that.
Vanessa (06:34.158)
have to try those. Trader Joe has the best snacks, like best snacks. We always go there for our snacks. They have such good stuff at Trader Joe's. Well, good. All right. So we are going to be doing our Pop Bites, Pop Culture Roundup. Anyone want to go first?
Wilhelmina (06:34.406)
I know what I'm picking up this week.
Teri (06:36.599)
Yes. Yes.
Wilhelmina (06:49.29)
I can go first. So I sent you guys this article within the last week and it was a little clip that I think had been on like the Today Show or CBS Morning Show, one of those shows, yeah. And it was a study that came out in like the Journal for Addictive Behaviors that permit parental permission to use alcohol with teens and kids. So even like
Lauren (06:55.138)
Mm-hmm.
Lauren (07:02.261)
So.
Wilhelmina (07:19.376)
just have a sip or like, or as they get older, like, you can have like a glass, you know, you're 18 before you go off to college, as long as you're with me. I've even heard of parents who are like, well, I kids kind of have drinks at my house. Cause at least I, yes, yes. and it said that. Yep. I mean, I think it doesn't go back to like me, mean girls. No, it doesn't have.
Teri (07:25.207)
As long as you're with me.
Lauren (07:33.698)
like providing it.
Teri (07:36.845)
I take all the keys, I take all the keys and everyone stays in the basement.
Lauren (07:44.982)
Yeah.
Vanessa (07:45.996)
I was gonna say, did any of you have friends, parents who did this when we were kids? I didn't. You did? I did not either.
Wilhelmina (07:49.189)
No. Yeah, Vanessa and I are like, nope. So that doing this, which has been thought to be sort of a protective thing for kids, like they'll be less inclined to go off and like binge drink or have drinking issues. They'll kind of like, no, it won't have the allure of like something forbidden.
Teri (07:49.401)
Yes, yes, I did, I did. We can talk about that, but finish your thought.
Lauren (07:49.996)
I did. I did. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Vanessa (07:54.326)
No. Yes.
Lauren (07:57.228)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Wilhelmina (08:19.026)
That is not the case. What they have found is that is linked to heavy drinking and alcohol related problems. Again, it's not a causation, but it is a heavy, heavy statistically significant correlation. They had Lisa DeMoron, I know we've mentioned her many times on the podcast, and she basically said that this is not the harm reduction technique we thought it
Lauren (08:35.564)
Yeah.
Wilhelmina (08:48.754)
Like this is not that just being a parent and modeling what you want your kids to do with alcohol is much better than giving it to them. So like she said, modeling a healthy relationship with alcohol, whatever that means, moderation or none, moderation or none, don't drink to like calm down or like, it's such a bad day. I'm going to have a glass of wine. Like don't promote that.
Lauren (08:49.687)
Yeah.
Lauren (09:01.261)
Yeah.
Wilhelmina (09:18.17)
And also show that you can have fun without alcohol. Like don't just like all of your fun social activities involve alcohol. That's what they're gonna see and then that's what they're gonna do. So she said that's actually the most protective thing you can do for kids. And so I just put it out there to you guys and I was like, what do we think about this?
Lauren (09:22.07)
Yeah.
Teri (09:38.329)
So I grew up in a community where that was more of the norm. So even in mid to late 90s, and even when I started practicing in Naperville, which is a large western suburb west of Chicago, when I was in my late 20s, early 30s, I was at a group practice there and worked with a lot of teenagers whose parents would do this. And I was aware of it as the therapist. And I, until maybe 10 years ago, actually thought it made sense.
Wilhelmina (09:59.581)
Mm-hmm.
Teri (10:08.023)
And I remember thinking as a teenager myself, like, yes, this is, this makes sense. And then even as a practicing clinician, as an adult, not quite yet, not yet a parent, but I remember thinking this is sort of a harm reduction strategy where they're going to drink anyways, might as well drink in the safety of your basement with an adult home. No one's being allowed to drive home. And I do remember thinking positively about
Lauren (10:24.216)
Yeah.
Teri (10:36.675)
that as a strategy because it intuitively made sense to me.
Wilhelmina (10:38.055)
Yeah, me too.
Lauren (10:42.744)
I think it's interesting because when I was thinking about like when you're describing this, Wilhelmina, I'm thinking I'm like trying to get myself into the head of a parent that is offering this. I was thinking like, wonder if they think because I could see this, that they're sort of promoting what people in Europe, they have a but I wonder if they think they're promoting a healthy relationship with alcohol.
Vanessa (10:54.442)
I was just gonna say that.
Wilhelmina (10:55.545)
Thank
Wilhelmina (11:05.894)
Yes, yes.
Lauren (11:10.808)
but in the way that people in Europe do it, but it's so different because it's such a different part of their life. And there aren't these over 21 and like there aren't like actual laws in place. So it's a completely different perspective approach. It means something totally different there. So it works there, right? Like, so it's.
Wilhelmina (11:29.607)
Yes.
Vanessa (11:29.614)
Well, think it goes back to what Wilhelmino was saying that the modeling of the parent drinking is what I think it happens in Europe, is what you're saying. Yeah, they're modeling like the good, yes.
Lauren (11:35.146)
Yeah, that's what they're doing. They're modeling, but I could see how in a parent's head over here in America, we think we're modeling, but that's not what you're doing. You're giving them permission, which is a very confusing message. So I can, I'm glad this research is out there because I do think that parents with the best of intentions, yet you're confusing the message.
Wilhelmina (11:38.769)
Yes.
Teri (11:39.096)
Yes.
Wilhelmina (11:47.996)
Yes.
Teri (11:48.015)
Mm-hmm.
Wilhelmina (11:56.455)
Mm-hmm.
Teri (11:59.394)
and rate it.
Vanessa (11:59.694)
I was actually thinking about, like, so my parents would never have condoned that. I'm just thinking, like, is there a difference, though, between the parents who think that that's a good idea and have done that or do that and the parents who are, absolutely not? Do they have, like, differences in their relationship with alcohol? Like, don't, like, you know, maybe some of it is like, oh, this seems like a good idea, right? But I wonder if there's even more to it, right? And maybe not.
Lauren (12:05.261)
no, no, not my face.
Wilhelmina (12:05.84)
Nor would my mom.
Lauren (12:22.53)
Hmm.
Vanessa (12:28.834)
for everybody, but that there's a difference in how they view alcohol or, you know, like based on their relationship with alcohol or their family history with alcohol. I wonder if that's because there are parents who are like, absolutely not. I would never do that. Right. Even if you were like, no, this is a good idea. Like the exposure. Right. Like I could see parents still saying like, absolutely not. So it just makes me wonder about that.
Lauren (12:42.284)
Yeah.
Teri (12:43.023)
Mm-hmm.
Wilhelmina (12:51.334)
Well, I like my husband and I have had this conversation and I think we both grew up in households where that never would have happened. Like my mom didn't drink, Owen's parents, I mean, very, very occasionally, like very rarely. And so there was no sort of exposure in our household to that. And so I think for a while we even thought, well, if they want to have a sip or whatever, like, we'll let that happen. We didn't promote it, but we sort of thought if they ever ask, we'll let them have a drink. And now that
Vanessa (13:19.15)
that you would do that,
Lauren (13:20.13)
Like normalizing it, right?
Wilhelmina (13:21.21)
Yes. And now, of course, I see this and I'm like, nope, maybe not. And Lauren, I think what you said about the other countries, so my sister-in-law is Italian. She's from Italy. And we've talked about drinking. in Italy, people do start drinking younger, but they're not binge drinking. That's the thing. They're not binge drinking. Yes. Yes. And they have a glass.
Teri (13:21.614)
Yeah.
Lauren (13:32.45)
Mm-hmm.
Lauren (13:41.016)
Yeah, right. It's like milk. Like they put it on the table with a carafe of water also. it's just not a... So it's the meaning. Right. It's the meaning associated with it. And that's where the messaging, think, gets very confusing. So I think this research is good. It's important. Hopefully it'll be incredibly helpful for parents trying to make that decision or navigate that decision.
Vanessa (13:45.57)
Yeah.
Teri (13:45.837)
Right. Right. Right. And you have a you have a glass, right? Nobody's finishing bottles in Italy. Right. Right.
Wilhelmina (13:51.634)
Two glasses.
Vanessa (13:53.966)
Right. Different relationships.
Wilhelmina (14:04.828)
Yes.
Lauren (14:10.132)
interesting that this research hasn't been done. I think the thing that interested me most when you sent it, I was like, how has this not been done yet? Like, wow, like, that's very interesting.
Wilhelmina (14:13.074)
Right?
Wilhelmina (14:17.745)
I know.
Teri (14:18.905)
Well, I think there's certain topics people don't want to research. then I do think, and I will say, yes, is that Italy is more of an outlier when it comes to the European countries, because in Ireland, England, and Germany, where there is drink, you're allowed to drink at any age, there are higher rates of alcoholism and often. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah. Right. The three countries that are often brought up when it's you, we allow people to
Lauren (14:22.656)
Yeah, not popular.
Wilhelmina (14:34.406)
Mmm.
Lauren (14:37.602)
France I would put, France I'd put in that Italy category too. They just have a different appreciation for it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Wilhelmina (14:40.22)
Yes.
Teri (14:48.623)
practice moderation and drink at younger ages, earlier than 21, it's Germany, Ireland, and England, those three countries actually have higher rates of alcoholism. And they've often pointed to the behaviors that, the younger you are when you start drinking, the more likely you are to develop alcohol use disorder. So that's, and that's been a pretty well-researched reliable statistic.
Lauren (14:57.154)
Hmm, interesting.
Lauren (15:09.912)
Yeah, interesting.
Wilhelmina (15:11.314)
It's like we're trying to protect our kids, but we're sending them out to the world where it is promoted to do all of these things. So it's like, it's not protecting them because we're, yes, we're not living in Italy. We're not living in a place where that is what the world does. know, yeah. Move to, yes. Hey, that would, from last week's episode, maybe that would help with the, you know, rest, slow down. Yes.
Lauren (15:20.842)
of intentions. Right, right, right, there we go. Sure. Stress, yes, that's exactly right. We could combine those episodes, yes.
Vanessa (15:22.19)
Right, you can't really do that. my goodness.
Teri (15:25.443)
Right, to move to Italy. Yeah.
Teri (15:33.538)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Vanessa (15:34.382)
Take a siesta.
All right. All right. I'll go next. So I sent you guys a social media post that was actually based on an article that was written by Liz Plank. It was called, Stopped Clubbing, But We Need to Bring It Back. Millennials Grew Up on a Dance Floor While Gen Z is Growing Up on Their Phones. So I thought this was a really...
Lauren (15:43.415)
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
Teri (15:58.617)
put on a going out top and go out.
Wilhelmina (16:00.932)
Yes, jeans and a cute flat.
Lauren (16:02.466)
A nice top and jeans.
Vanessa (16:03.874)
I mean, I so it made me laugh. I mean, that's a long title, but I read the article and she brought up some really good points. And some of these things we've kind of talked about, like the difference, you know, about, know, how when we were younger, you know, we went out with our friends and it seems like more and more kids are just home on their phones. But I thought, you know, the club concept was actually a really good one. I mean, all of us went clubbing some more than others. I will say I was I probably went the most. But so at some point. no.
Lauren (16:10.796)
We've talked about, yeah.
Wilhelmina (16:23.792)
Yes. Yes.
Teri (16:24.173)
Mm-hmm.
Lauren (16:28.056)
I didn't ever go clubbing. I went to the bar. I went dancing. Okay.
Vanessa (16:32.534)
to the club, we went to the, remember for the Halloween? Yes! So yeah. Yes, it was Rube Roach. Yes. I did, yes. Yeah, that's a club! That was a club! Yeah.
Wilhelmina (16:33.618)
our Halloween. Yes. Re was it Reeve Goche? Where were you like? Yes. And you won a costume contest. And that was I would say that was clubbing. Like right? Yeah.
Lauren (16:39.864)
Okay, okay, so I did go. I was gonna say.
Teri (16:39.864)
Yeah
Teri (16:45.365)
And I would piggyback that I went to a fair amount of bars, some clubs, and I went to a lot of live concerts and shows, which nowadays it seems like people only go to big concerts like Taylor Swift, Pink. I was growing up, me and my friends went to local shows all the time. And it doesn't seem like people do. And I think that goes sort of with clubbing, like going out. Yeah. Yeah.
Wilhelmina (16:59.004)
Yes!
Lauren (17:00.46)
talking about vacation money concerts. Yeah. Yeah.
Vanessa (17:01.294)
There's like local shows, like you about local shows. Yeah, yeah.
Vanessa (17:11.118)
Yeah, mean, so they, yeah, so that, yeah. So the article brought up that like, so in this article she says in, I don't know why, but she only had UK stats. I tried to look up US, it wasn't quite available, but in the UK there was 400 nightclubs that shut down between 2020 and 2023. And so you might think COVID, but they actually said it's not COVID. And part of the problem was just, you know, cost of living. So like drinks are $18, covers like $40. So that was part of it.
Lauren (17:12.594)
Just like going out. Yes.
Wilhelmina (17:25.532)
Hmm.
Teri (17:27.279)
you
Vanessa (17:38.136)
But she brought up some really good points about what happened at the club, which you could say the same about a bar or a concert. like I was even thinking about like when I used to go to raves, like, you went there with your friends and you weren't on your phone, right? You were engaging with your friends. As you get older, it was a way to like meet people. She refers to it as like the original kind of like dating app, right? You go to a bar, a club with your friend and you meet a guy and maybe you were just there to hook up and that was okay.
Lauren (17:53.143)
Right.
Wilhelmina (18:01.414)
Yeah, Tinder.
Lauren (18:02.018)
Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep.
Teri (18:03.652)
Yes!
Vanessa (18:07.736)
So there was a lot of experiences that you got out of going to the club. And again, I think she's using the club as almost like a metaphor to like being out in public, right? Going out with your friends, right? So you would, you I can remember going, I didn't know who was gonna be there, but I was like, somebody I know is gonna be there and just going with a friend. You didn't know if you were gonna have, you're like, someone I know is gonna meet there. And if not, you know, she mentioned, you know, and I thought this was hilarious, because I'm sure we've all had this experience about being in a girl's bathroom line and having like a therapy moment.
Lauren (18:13.484)
Just like, yeah, like going out. Yeah. Yeah.
Wilhelmina (18:16.774)
Yes.
Teri (18:16.995)
Gas.
Teri (18:22.585)
Yes.
Wilhelmina (18:35.425)
God, yes, yes.
Vanessa (18:36.684)
Right? Like you meet this girl and she's sobbing about her boyfriend or, know, there's some like, you know, standing in the bathroom, you met rando people and you had these hilarious experiences. Yes, you're my best friend. And then you'd never see them. Yes. And you'd never see them. I mean, all of these things are part of like your social experience. So I thought it was a really good article from the sense of like reminding people about the importance and all the benefits you get out of.
Teri (18:36.697)
Yeah.
Lauren (18:37.122)
Yeah. Right.
Teri (18:39.567)
Yes!
Wilhelmina (18:45.33)
Yes. I love you. I know I love you too.
Lauren (18:46.422)
Yes.
Teri (18:48.845)
Yeah. It'd your temporary best friend. Yes.
Wilhelmina (18:54.13)
you
Lauren (18:56.973)
Yeah.
Vanessa (19:04.93)
being social and going out. And it made me think about our two last trips. So we talked about this last time about how we asked people in Charlotte, you know, where do you go out? And they were like, what? And I think part of it is, yes, I think Charlotte is a sleepy town. But I also think that young people aren't really doing that. So I don't think there's as many options. And then it also made me think about our trip to Savannah.
Wilhelmina (19:09.84)
Yes!
Lauren (19:10.39)
Yes.
Wilhelmina (19:14.606)
oooo
Wilhelmina (19:22.3)
doing it.
Lauren (19:28.566)
Yeah.
Teri (19:29.071)
Mm-hmm.
Vanessa (19:29.166)
and the age difference. You guys know what I'm about to talk about. So we went to that bar. So usually on our trips, we try to have one night where we like go out, maybe dancing, drinking. So we found this bar that had a slide in it. It was like this whole thing. it was cool. It was fun. Yes, it was so good. It was like half indoor, half outdoor. had, I will say, we had a blast. We danced so much. But what we noticed was there was several groups of younger girls there, and they weren't dancing.
Wilhelmina (19:35.538)
yes!
Lauren (19:42.24)
It was beautiful. There was like a view. Yeah. was gorgeous. Yes. We did.
Teri (19:43.607)
Mm-hmm. It's a good vibe.
Wilhelmina (19:57.638)
Mm-mm.
Vanessa (19:57.782)
In fact, they were sitting on the sofas almost the whole night just snapping selfies of each other. And we thought it was so wild. We're like, it's so bizarre. You guys remember that?
Lauren (20:02.594)
Yes.
Teri (20:02.999)
Mm-hmm.
Lauren (20:06.229)
It was bizarre.
It was bizarre.
Wilhelmina (20:10.918)
We were like, at times we were like, it was us and like maybe another group of women our age that were like out on the floor dancing. And we were like, okay, well, we're having fun. Like, okay. Yes.
Vanessa (20:17.954)
Yes.
Vanessa (20:21.398)
And all the music was all music was music that we know. She brings us up like nobody like they don't have music like we did. Like we have like, you know, these kind of crazy dance songs. Yeah, like the DJ was playing music. We all knew all the songs. You know, we are going down the slide. Our 40 something year old asses are going down the slide laughing, have just being hysterical. We were just having fun. Didn't care what anyone thought or saw. And the younger kids were not.
Lauren (20:28.204)
Now.
Teri (20:28.931)
Yeah, the music sucks now. Yeah. That kind of music. Yes.
Wilhelmina (20:30.758)
Yeah.
Lauren (20:34.21)
Yes.
Teri (20:37.967)
You
Teri (20:46.167)
And I will say this, and I can say this because my husband knows this, that we met a group of younger guys who we were just chatting with and dancing with and hanging with. And one reached out to me about meeting up that night and wanted my number. I'm like, because there's no, none of those girls were around to talk to them.
Wilhelmina (20:51.964)
Yep. Yep.
Vanessa (21:01.432)
friend with that.
Lauren (21:03.149)
Because none of those girls hurt.
Wilhelmina (21:07.43)
Yes, yes. Well, and that has happened to us multiple times on trips and like where we do have this group and they're always like little younger guys like that come up to us a lot like younger just trying to, and they Lauren, you got one that would like ask you like, where do people like how do like where are you girls like of my age and we're like, where do they exist? we're like, yes, yes.
Teri (21:16.899)
Very young.
I
Lauren (21:28.716)
Yeah. Where do they exist at my age? he, I was being a therapist in the moment.
Teri (21:29.838)
Now
Vanessa (21:31.95)
you
Wilhelmina (21:36.102)
But I think that they see us just like doing, just to your point, what you said, like having fun, not caring, but that is not what these younger kids are seeing. They're seeing these girls that are sitting on the couch taking selfies.
Teri (21:50.073)
who don't look approachable, that's not approachable.
Lauren (21:50.232)
So you said something interesting about, I'm not gonna get it right, Vanessa, but you said something about what she said of like, she was kind of writing this to remind people about the social experience, but how do you remind people when they've never had it? So that's like part of the problem is like, we can understand and connect with this concept in a really real way, because that's been our social experience since we were teenagers and really kind of figuring out
Vanessa (22:00.696)
Yeah. Yeah.
Right. Yeah.
Lauren (22:19.256)
how to create our identity and have that independence and leave the home. But they're not having that experience. And so like they don't connect. They could read this. They could listen to us talking about it. And those girls sitting on the couches, they could have cared less if we had walked up to them and said something to the effect of like, are you guys like having fun? They would have been like, mm hmm. Yeah. They just, I worry. I don't worry. But like, I wonder, do they're never, do they get it?
Teri (22:39.961)
dance with us!
Lauren (22:49.43)
Or do they care?
Teri (22:50.499)
I think that's such a valid point.
Wilhelmina (22:52.486)
Yeah, yeah.
Lauren (22:52.502)
Yeah, it's kind of scary.
Vanessa (22:52.63)
Yeah, I don't know if they care. mean, she says in her article, you know, instead of telling them less time on the phone, less scrolling, like we keep saying like, stop, stop, stop, and giving them more opportunities to do. like, yeah, so she was saying like, bringing back the club, you know, again, an example, bringing back the club, bringing back these opportunities in the community for, you know, younger generation to really experience that. And then even like, you know, I think
Lauren (23:00.63)
Yeah.
Like, try.
Wilhelmina (23:05.159)
Yes.
Yes.
Teri (23:08.302)
Yeah.
Lauren (23:10.775)
Right.
Lauren (23:15.862)
Right. Right.
Vanessa (23:19.566)
one of the things while we were on this trip, we were like, where can we go? Occasionally, the 40-something-year-olds want to go out, too, having places that cater to them. A couple years ago, there was an article that was out about, I think it was a restaurant slash lounge bar, one of those places where you can eat dinner, but you could stay for drinks. And it was 35 and over. And people were outraged that this owner had created this concept. And he, yes, I forget where it was. I forget.
Wilhelmina (23:40.209)
Lauren (23:40.824)
Oh, I love that. There's going to be a lot of places to sit.
Wilhelmina (23:44.408)
I know, like, where is this?
Teri (23:44.431)
Love it.
Vanessa (23:48.608)
Yeah, somewhere in the Midwest. the point donor was like, I don't know why they're upset. Like, this is a place that I wanted to create for this more sophisticated, yes, older crowd, right? And 35 is not like, I'm sorry, but it's not that old, right? But they were like, people were upset, like the younger people were upset in the community because they're like, you're not including us. so things like that. So I think, you know, again, I think the whole idea was to provide these opportunities.
Teri (23:48.655)
Yeah.
Teri (23:55.961)
Mm-hmm.
Lauren (23:57.26)
Yeah, we'll spend money.
Teri (23:59.119)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Lauren (24:04.28)
world.
Vanessa (24:17.016)
so that they could experience that and maybe that way they'll feel more inclined to kind of seek out these opportunities. But I just thought it was a really interesting article having grown up in that era of clubs, bars, parties and things and going out. Yep. So yeah.
Lauren (24:26.422)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Going out. Yeah. Yeah.
Wilhelmina (24:30.63)
going out. I mean, Lauren, I think about when we moved to Chicago for graduate school, and we both were sort of new to the city. So we would get together on Saturdays, we would go see the Michigan, we watched the Michigan game, and then we would go out. We just go out. We just would like, no, we would like pop around.
Lauren (24:35.254)
Yes.
Didn't know anyone, yeah.
Yep. Yeah.
figured it out. We had no idea what we were doing. Yeah. The best. best. Yes.
Teri (24:49.967)
are the best days and best nights? Are the unplanned, spontaneous, just going out and seeing where the night takes you, the day takes you?
Vanessa (24:53.517)
Yeah.
Wilhelmina (24:53.81)
Absolutely.
Vanessa (24:56.674)
Yeah. What? Yeah. Yeah.
Wilhelmina (24:59.034)
It's so fun. Like, yeah.
Lauren (24:59.276)
Yeah, yeah. No, you're absolutely right. Really interesting. All right, I'll go. OK, so I read an article, and I loved the headline, but then I'll kind of go into why. A Rolling Stone article, and it's titled, Meghan Markle is just a girl standing in front of fans asking them to love her. And I just.
Vanessa (25:05.07)
All right. All right.
Lauren (25:23.032)
The reason that this, just keep hearing about like, why is she so divisive? And like, why is she so unlikable? And like, we wanna like her, but then, ugh. And so her show came out last week. And so I, after seeing and hearing a lot of people kind of talking about it and seeing all of these things, I got onto Netflix and you guys, it's so bad. It is unwatchable. It's so bad.
Teri (25:45.849)
The reviews I read are bad.
Vanessa (25:47.886)
But it got renewed for a second season. I heard that it was so bad and it got renewed. Why? Okay.
Lauren (25:51.82)
But I think that has more to do with the behind the scenes of like they invent Netflix invested in her company. Like it's all murky murky. You guys, the first episode I wrote down, it's okay. it's like, so it's like, it's so actually the guy in the, I don't know who wrote this Rolling Stone article. should have the name, but the individual said it's like literally like a domestic bootcamp.
Teri (25:56.537)
Yes, yes. They have a contract with Netflix.
Vanessa (25:58.424)
Okay.
Okay, that makes sense.
Tell us what it is, because I'm so curious. I don't want to watch, but I'm curious.
Lauren (26:20.352)
And she invites a friend over in this first episode. And within like 20 minutes, she's harvesting honey with her beekeeper. She's, wait a minute, she's making a guest, like she's making a bath soak for her friend to put in his bathroom, in his guest room. She's making a tray of goodies for him to have next to his bed. She then starts making lunch for him. He finally arrives, the guest. Meanwhile, they're not at her house. They're at it like a staged,
Wilhelmina (26:29.194)
my god.
Lauren (26:49.922)
home, which she does say, she says like, this is in my home. And so I'm making this and we're going to put it on a tray to take it to the home for when he actually stays at my home. But he comes to the fake house. They make lunch. They do. my God. It's it was exhausting. Then they go. They actually harvest the honey and then they're making beeswax candles. Then they're decorating a cake with like flowers and things like that. It's like too much. But but like the crux of it is like
Teri (27:03.055)
Stupid.
Lauren (27:19.524)
Even like the chaotic nature and the way the show presents is kind of, think, the chaotic nature in which she is trying to present herself to us. And that is why I think she is so divisive. Like she doesn't actually know who she is. And so she touches on 15 different things within an episode. Meanwhile, the friend is the one that is so much more natural in front of the camera. He's a makeup artist and he's asking her questions. She like doesn't make eye contact.
Wilhelmina (27:33.892)
No, no.
Teri (27:43.311)
Wilhelmina (27:49.254)
Lauren (27:49.324)
She doesn't know how to have a conversation with him, because she's so invested in whatever little task she's doing. She doesn't give you measurements to the pasta she's making, which I'm like, are we supposed to make this or are we just watching you make this? It's so like you want to like her. no, that's the problem. And I think that's always been the problem with her. Or.
Teri (27:54.777)
could see this.
Wilhelmina (27:57.797)
And I'm sure her image, like wanting to.
Vanessa (28:06.23)
Hahaha
Teri (28:10.979)
Does she seem authentic at all?
Wilhelmina (28:16.7)
Yes.
Lauren (28:17.718)
And this is so weird. And you start reading articles. It's like, or are we all, you know, there's a lot of suggestion that like the UK, they're racist against her and those kinds of things. Like, are we all biased against her because that's how the media has like, but then you, I'm telling you, I watched and I wanted to like the show. I, yeah. What do you guys think?
Teri (28:26.487)
Hmm.
Vanessa (28:33.976)
I think two things can be true at the same time. So I really try not to have opinions of whether I like famous people because I don't know them. That's just my perception. try not to like, I'm like, I really don't try to have not opinion. But I saw, and I told you guys this, a clip of her talking to Mindy Kaling. I think she was interviewing her and Mindy Kaling said,
Teri (28:37.408)
Mhm.
Lauren (28:46.166)
Right, we don't know them, yeah.
Lauren (28:54.252)
Yes. Okay. This was so awkward.
Vanessa (28:57.622)
is calls her Meghan Markle and she stops and says, I think it's so funny that you keep calling me Meghan Markle. My name is Meghan Sussex. Sussex. I know, I know, but I was just like, why would you?
Lauren (29:06.338)
Sussex, but here's the thing, it's not actually that. And that's so in that, so it's from one of the episodes. It's Mindy is in an episode with her and she's trying to have a conversation. So this is where in this article, the Rolling Stone is like, so often the guests are more authentic than her.
Wilhelmina (29:08.722)
god.
Teri (29:11.267)
Didn't they, yeah, didn't they take that away from her?
Wilhelmina (29:11.794)
you
Teri (29:15.682)
Okay.
Teri (29:28.399)
Hmm.
Lauren (29:28.832)
and it's uncomfortable to watch because the guests end up essentially interviewing Meghan when it really should be the other way around. No, this was, she was on the show. She was, she's like in the second episode. She's the guest and she, instead of like making it a funny moment. So what Mindy was saying was, my gosh, people wouldn't believe that Meghan Markle loves Jack in the Box. Like she was trying to like just make it like a humanizing moment. She was actually trying to help Meghan.
Vanessa (29:35.692)
Yeah, I felt like she was interviewing- I thought Mindy was interviewing her face on the clip. She's the guest.
Wilhelmina (29:58.031)
And then Megan.
Lauren (29:58.176)
And instead of being like, I know I love fast food. Like, my gosh, it's my favorite. I love a burger and fries. She corrected her on actually my last name is Sussex when really like, actually it's like Mountbatten. Like her actual last name is not Sussex. Like the whole thing is I think a, a like why people have such a hard time with her. It's like, Vanessa's point, we don't know her, but she wants us to know her.
Vanessa (30:00.994)
Bye!
Vanessa (30:06.318)
you
Wilhelmina (30:07.495)
Cheers.
Vanessa (30:11.971)
Yes.
Teri (30:22.468)
DM.
Vanessa (30:25.24)
Right, but then you see clips of things like this, right? When you see clips like that, you're kind of like, yeah.
Lauren (30:28.606)
she keeps putting herself out there and it's like, did you want to just go away from this life and have like this authentic life with your husband and your kids? Then go do that. But when you keep putting yourself in these situations and in front of the camera, then you're gonna have opinions on, in the show it's, it is so, it's so chaotic. I'm like, wait, are we making beeswax candles out of honey? Are we making a cake? Are we making pasta? But then there's no recipes for anything, which for somebody like me, I'm like,
Wilhelmina (30:37.532)
No.
Vanessa (30:49.55)
Gift baskets.
Wilhelmina (30:50.224)
I mean the honey harvesting honey.
Teri (30:54.435)
Well, it's still.
Lauren (30:56.482)
Give me like on the side, like half a cup. What are we doing?
Teri (31:00.463)
She strikes me as somebody who is always engaging in impression management. Just every pose, every picture, every outfit, she comes off, again, I agree with Vanessa, like we don't know her, et cetera. and I know some of you disagree, some of you agree, I'm gonna throw Blake Lively in this same category of people lately. Not before, I feel like all of a sudden, and again, it's probably some of the
Lauren (31:06.736)
Mm-hmm.
Vanessa (31:07.191)
you
Lauren (31:09.92)
It is so inauthentic. Yes.
Wilhelmina (31:11.878)
Yes.
Lauren (31:24.844)
like an inauthentic nature.
Wilhelmina (31:26.854)
Yes.
Lauren (31:28.738)
Yeah.
Teri (31:29.877)
news media and the other things coming out, her and Ryan Reynolds as a package deal, similar to Meghan Markle. seems like that fake whatever Ryan Reynolds was doing where he hired people to do autographs when he came out because it was the same guy having them sign an autograph. Yeah, it's the same thing where they, when you see them in public, presentations, positions, they are putting themselves in purposefully. It seems like everything is so curated and
Lauren (31:34.68)
Mm-hmm.
Lauren (31:39.49)
Yeah.
Lauren (31:44.322)
She just did this weekend.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Lauren (31:58.648)
Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. So the the writer of the article said like she has this inability to just kind of like speak from the heart. So they put some of the things that the quote she said, she said, it's not deep, but it's thoughtful. And like she kept saying, like, it's like you're watching it, you're like, what are you talking about? And then she keeps saying, like how things don't have to be perfect, and then presents like a
Teri (31:58.863)
posed and fictitious. just, I don't know. comes off as very disingenuine.
Wilhelmina (32:02.726)
Yeah, image management.
Vanessa (32:19.918)
you
Teri (32:22.809)
What the hell are you talking about?
Lauren (32:27.872)
perfect crudite platter. And the friend is like, it looks pretty perfect to me. Like in the way he said it was kind of how you felt was like, why are you saying, you know, it just is like that inauthentic nature and you're putting that out. Right. She's wearing a white shirt, white shirt while cooking pasta. And I'm like, come on. Like, I don't know.
Wilhelmina (32:33.906)
UGH
Wilhelmina (32:40.122)
Effortless perfectionism. Yep. Yeah. It's just.
Teri (32:42.681)
Yes.
Wilhelmina (32:48.914)
I saw a clip that was like, and it was like, Meghan Markle is trying to make herself so relatable and yet she, or so, yeah, so relatable and it is so unrelatable. Like this show is just like everything, yes. And it's like, I guess on like a small level, it'd be like, if we're out and about and we're trying to be people and it's like, this is Wilhelmina. And it's like, no, no, I'm sorry. It's Dr. Sugar.
Teri (32:49.423)
They're trying so hard. They're trying so hard.
Lauren (33:03.222)
Yeah, it's a perfect way of saying it.
Vanessa (33:16.245)
Yeah.
Wilhelmina (33:16.402)
but you're in like a social setting. it's like, no, no, we don't do that. We don't do that. Like.
Lauren (33:16.408)
right. No, we don't do that. Like, Yes, that is it really is. And it's it's it's a tough watch. So there's two seasons of a tough watch out there if you're ever looking. So there's that. I mean, and it's beautiful. The setting is gorgeous. Whatever house they're renting in Montecito that's not hers is incredible.
Teri (33:16.651)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. No, no, we don't do that. No. No.
Vanessa (33:30.627)
Yeah.
Wilhelmina (33:32.412)
Sounds like it's a fun hate watch.
Vanessa (33:34.574)
you
Wilhelmina (33:42.45)
That is just a stat, essentially.
Lauren (33:44.664)
The things she makes are beautiful. So you could watch it on mute and like look at all the pretty, they make a balloon arch and there's no kids, they're making a balloon arch for a kids party, but then there's no kids. Like it's all like very like, what do you do? It doesn't make sense. So anyway, I'm glad to see that we all have the same opinion. It's like too much. right, right, right. anyhow, Terry, finish us up.
Wilhelmina (34:01.914)
It's like she's throwing spaghetti at the wall and being like, what sticks? What do people like? None of it. None of it.
Vanessa (34:02.029)
Hmm.
Teri (34:02.766)
Okay.
Yeah. Yeah.
Vanessa (34:07.602)
my goodness.
Teri (34:12.833)
Okay, so mine is not to be a Debbie Downer, but it's all over the news and he's not even really of, he's, you know, very famous actor. So Gene Hackman, the loss of Gene Hackman and his wife recently in New Mexico has been all over the news, right? When it happened, yeah, it happened right before the Oscars. There was a tribute to him. And then more information has come out as to how they passed and
Vanessa (34:17.966)
You
Vanessa (34:25.324)
Yeah.
Lauren (34:26.901)
Oof.
Vanessa (34:31.886)
all over.
Lauren (34:33.538)
Yeah.
Teri (34:41.855)
One, it's everywhere, so I feel like it's one to touch on. But also, what's come out is that the wife, who's 30 years younger than him, I think in her mid-60s, he was 95, passed away first, actually, about a week before he did. And he had been in late end-stage Alzheimer's. And he had spent almost a week by himself in the house. She was his primary caregiver. She had passed from hantavirus, which is caused by...
mice droppings, yeah, rats and stuff. So she had passed and then he spent this week alone doing who knows what. It's so sad and I think makes us all realize that the best laid plans or however you think things are going to pan out as you plan for the final, the twilight of your life, the final, as Charles Barkley says, the 17th and 18th holes. If you ever hear Charles Barkley talk about it.
Lauren (35:11.192)
Not in like rats, yes.
Wilhelmina (35:17.493)
God, it's so sad.
Lauren (35:18.188)
That's heartbreaking.
Vanessa (35:20.258)
Not sad.
Vanessa (35:30.542)
Thank you.
Vanessa (35:34.444)
Yeah.
Lauren (35:34.904)
Mm-hmm.
I love him. His life.
Teri (35:39.757)
talk about his retirement in life because he he goes, he goes, I don't know if I'm on the 16th or the 17th hole. There's no way to know. You just sort of have to plan. And I imagine with their 30 year age gap, the plan was that he would go first and she would be his caretaker. So I think and I know Gene Hackman has adult children and grandchildren from his first marriage. And I don't obviously we don't have a sense of how involved they were.
Lauren (35:46.07)
So true. So true.
Vanessa (35:46.86)
Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Wilhelmina (35:48.902)
Hmm?
Lauren (35:57.206)
Yeah.
Wilhelmina (35:58.728)
Mm-hmm.
Teri (36:07.033)
but they lived this secluded life in New Mexico. And I just think the news story was very striking and has really stuck with me just in that you really try to craft what you think things are gonna be like. And then also never knowing what you're gonna die from, which even goes a level deeper or when, yes.
Vanessa (36:23.446)
Or when, right? Or when? Like she, I mean, I think she was 63. I mean, that's not old. I mean, I think all of our parents are older than that. You you just never know. And I was telling you guys earlier, it made me think some parts of that story about, you know, my stepmom and my dad. My stepmom was in her 50s. She's younger than my dad. And we all, you know, we're in our heads. Like we never said a lot. We're like, she's totally gonna outlive my dad, right? And she became, you know, ill with a, you know.
Lauren (36:23.628)
Right?
Lauren (36:29.932)
Now, yeah.
Teri (36:31.981)
Mm-hmm.
Wilhelmina (36:32.114)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Vanessa (36:51.512)
brain tumor and passed away, right? And that was something, and my dad became her caretaker. And that was unexpected because she had always been my dad's kind of, he has some health issues, that's, he's gonna die from, but she was always kind of like reminding him to take his meds and reminding him about his appointments. And all of a it became this reverse role and then she passed away and she was 54. So, you just never know, it's really wild.
Lauren (36:56.396)
Yeah. Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
Wilhelmina (36:56.401)
Mm-hmm.
Lauren (37:17.592)
You don't.
Wilhelmina (37:20.058)
And I know we've talked about this with regards to the story is like, why was no one calling? Like why were his kids calling? Did she not have friends that were like, wait, we haven't heard from her. And it really is sort of like, where were the checks and balances of sort of like, okay, you wanna live like kind of your little life out in the desert, okay. But.
Lauren (37:27.329)
I-
Vanessa (37:38.168)
Yeah.
Lauren (37:38.198)
Yeah.
Wilhelmina (37:45.811)
maybe it goes back to what we were talking about last week, that connection and isolation. There are many downsides to it. And I think about this with my mom. My mom is 83, and I try to connect with her at least once a day just to make sure. And she had missed a bridge with some of her local friends, and they actually called my business line. And my business manager,
Vanessa (37:48.814)
Yeah.
Lauren (37:49.775)
my gosh, totally.
Teri (38:10.063)
Aww.
Lauren (38:11.041)
I love that.
Wilhelmina (38:11.846)
called me and said, hey, we got this message. Your mom didn't show up for Bridge and they were worried and they didn't have your number. So they found you online. I was, I, I, I talked to her soon enough that I was like, and I called my mom and she was like, my gosh, no. But I was so thankful that that played out that way. Cause I was like, okay, there's a checks and balances.
Teri (38:19.215)
aww
Teri (38:32.035)
I see.
Lauren (38:32.277)
Right. Yep. Yep.
Vanessa (38:35.084)
Right. But your mom has like a social, like going back to like, she is socially connected, right, to friends and she has you, right? So that connection again, I think is really important that people continue to have. Mm-hmm.
Teri (38:35.459)
I think. Right.
Wilhelmina (38:37.51)
Yes. Very social. Yes. Yes.
Lauren (38:46.058)
It has to be in place.
Wilhelmina (38:46.684)
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Teri (38:47.983)
I think it also brings to our attention more details about when people live off the grid or close to that, when they sort of live on the fringe. And, you know, when you are an Oscar winning actor living in Hollywood and then decide to retreat to New Mexico. And I read some news article where it said that it was at the end of a cul-de-sac, it was a secluded neighborhood and it was they described the house as barn like.
Wilhelmina (38:55.91)
Mm-hmm.
Lauren (38:56.642)
Right.
Vanessa (38:57.603)
Yeah.
Teri (39:17.263)
And I also and that the wife was found near a space heater. So that makes me wonder what it like indoors, the space heater. So makes me wonder what type of home they were living in. And if you really sort of live off the grid and if this is how it goes. again, to be 95 and not have any type of professional caregiving in the home, even nursing popping in once a week or, you know, every couple of days or something. I mean, she was clearly his main and only.
Lauren (39:24.321)
Yeah.
Vanessa (39:27.95)
Mm-hmm.
Lauren (39:41.698)
Yeah.
Teri (39:47.087)
caretaker and when you, if that is your setup, yes, exactly. Like if that's your setup, this is what can happen. So maybe it's also a lesson learned maybe in some ways where you have systems in place and you have tiers.
Wilhelmina (39:47.41)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Lauren (39:48.984)
And then there was nothing as a backup.
Wilhelmina (40:00.975)
I mean, 95 and at the late-staged Alzheimer's, that's a lot of care. That is a lot of care. You know that that is showering, toilets, feeding. So I'm like, it's hard to think that she could do that all, even at her best of health. It's sort of like, and why would she have wanted to? I'm sure they had enough money to have someone come in and help.
Teri (40:06.467)
Late stage, yeah.
Vanessa (40:10.232)
Yeah.
Teri (40:10.243)
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Lauren (40:10.722)
Yeah. Yeah.
Mm, the feeding, yeah.
Vanessa (40:15.074)
Yeah. Yeah.
Teri (40:17.071)
Mm-hmm.
Vanessa (40:22.094)
I don't think, yeah.
Vanessa (40:29.87)
Yeah, right. Yeah, I mean, I'm just thinking of my grandma who's the same age and she lives in her own home and she like, she's not late all set. know, she doesn't have Alzheimer's, at least not late onset. You know, she's forgetful at times, but I think that just kind of comes with being 95 and she has caretakers in the home 24 hours a she needs help and she doesn't have that. So I can only imagine how much, you know,
Wilhelmina (40:31.271)
provide some help.
Vanessa (40:59.726)
how much support she was providing him. And that's hard to imagine that one person, because my grandma is someone who comes in and cooks all the meals. She has another person who stays at night with her. And then another person helps clean that. And my grandma's not a famous Hollywood person. So this is just a normal 95-year-old. Yes, who has help. So I can't imagine. She must have been so overwhelmed. It's all I can think is.
Lauren (41:13.451)
Right.
Teri (41:13.455)
You
Wilhelmina (41:13.478)
Yes. Yes.
Lauren (41:16.469)
Set up.
Teri (41:16.953)
Little old lady living in Brazil.
Wilhelmina (41:17.574)
Yes.
Wilhelmina (41:24.828)
Yes, cooking the meals, cleaning the house. mean, let's.
Vanessa (41:28.354)
And then they had multiple pets, caring for pets. all, you know, we've all had a pet or we have a pet, you know, like at some point, like that's, that's like a, thing to take care of. So that's, yeah.
Teri (41:30.319)
Mm-hmm.
Lauren (41:30.572)
Yeah. Yeah.
Lauren (41:37.612)
I think that's probably why the story has struck us, Terry, and why it's everywhere. Why there are so many articles being written about it two weeks later is because everybody feels some kind of personal, yes, yes. It just strikes people and hopefully for good. mean, you know, if we can all kind of keep in mind the people in our lives and make sure that doesn't happen. Like the setup is not that why it was that way, who knows.
Teri (41:46.703)
atypical. like, yeah, yeah.
Wilhelmina (41:48.102)
Yes.
Lauren (42:04.237)
what choices they made, but I think that's probably why it like struck us all that it's just so out of the ordinary.
Wilhelmina (42:08.654)
Mm-hmm. Tragic and sad and could have been like prevented like that end the way that it played out could have looked different.
Teri (42:09.359)
We heard
Teri (42:18.713)
Yes.
Vanessa (42:21.262)
Right. Yeah, because you never know, like, you know, I think people think, oh, they had, you know, he had adult children, but you, you, think it's a good reminder that, you who knows what their relationship was like. And so maybe as a neighbor, like a neighbor in that cul-de-sac, maybe then you become more aware of your neighbors and say, hey, you know, I have, have I seen them, you know, and especially if you have a neighbor, maybe who's elderly kind of reaching out and, you know, extending that kind of, you know,
Lauren (42:21.772)
Yeah.
Teri (42:31.247)
Mm-hmm.
Lauren (42:33.004)
Yeah.
Wilhelmina (42:38.214)
Have I seen them? Yeah.
Lauren (42:38.328)
have.
Wilhelmina (42:47.494)
community.
Vanessa (42:48.352)
Yes, and just I think it's just a nice reminder of that that you can't just assume because someone has family that that family is just gonna They'll take care of it
Teri (42:48.729)
Mm-hmm.
Lauren (42:49.037)
So.
Lauren (42:55.704)
I think that's such a good point. Yeah, connectedness. We've got this theme over the last couple episodes of being connected. So that's right. That's right. You're over 35. I like that idea.
Teri (42:57.241)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Yeah.
Wilhelmina (43:00.55)
Yes, yes.
Find your people, keep your community. Yeah. Yes.
Vanessa (43:05.262)
Yeah, right. Get your clubs going. my God. I mean, it's such a good concept. I was like, I love that. That's so great.
Teri (43:09.377)
Yes.
Wilhelmina (43:12.946)
I was thinking, I was like, you guys, we should open a club. Like we should get this. I know, right? Right? We'll open one in Chicago, Baltimore, Michigan.
Teri (43:17.795)
We make some money.
Lauren (43:19.04)
we couldn't vest in- my gosh
Teri (43:22.819)
There's a market.
Lauren (43:23.394)
Comfortable seating, food, the music can't be too loud. The music at an acceptable level. Good food menu. Right?
Vanessa (43:25.964)
Yes.
Teri (43:31.117)
Yes.
Vanessa (43:31.182)
You
Wilhelmina (43:31.804)
Places to sit, a place to dance, but they're separate. So you can sit and talk. Unlike that one restaurant we went in, where we're like, we can't even hear each other. We can't stay here.
Vanessa (43:36.364)
haha
Vanessa (43:40.557)
my gosh, that waiter was probably like, how old are those women? We're like, it's too loud in here.
Lauren (43:43.442)
I, we're like, sorry, we gotta go.
Teri (43:48.473)
Too loud.
Wilhelmina (43:49.01)
Vanessa (43:49.116)
my goodness. All right. Any more thoughts on any of our topics from today? Awesome. Well, it good talking to you ladies. All right. Yes. Well, please join us next time on The Shrinkdown.
Wilhelmina (43:56.594)
Yeah, this was a fun one.
Lauren (43:56.696)
No.