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A podcast that holds horror to standards horror never agreed to. Hosts Jeremy Whitley, Ben Kahn, Emily Martin and guests watch, read, listen to, and check out movies, tv shows, comics, books, art and anything else from the horror genre and discuss it through a progressive lens. We'll talk feminism in horror, LGBTQ+ issues and representation in horror, racial and social justice in horror, disability and mental health/illness in horror, and the work of female and POC directors, writers, and creators in horror.
We're the podcast horror never agreed to take part in.
Jeremy: uh,
Good evening and welcome to
Progressively Horrified the podcast
where we hold horror to progressive
standards that never agreed to.
Tonight we're talking about the
movie that was passed around in the
theaters and dorm rooms for all of
2004, but would eventually become
the first movie that comes to mind
when people talk about horror comedy.
it's the way ahead of its time, and still
somehow very much 2004 Sean of the Dead.
I am your host Jeremy Whitley.
And with me tonight I have a
panel of cinephiles Andina Bites.
First, they're here to challenge
sexy werewolf, sexy vampire binary.
My co-host Ben Kahn.
Ben, how are you tonight?
Ben: Uh, anyone else here?
Simon Begg say his character is
29 years old and feel their heart
just fucking leave their body.
Emily: Whole soul off my body,
like I just turned into dust.
Jeremy: Yeah, I, uh, He's a,
he's a real old 29, I gotta say.
And the cinnamon roll
of Cino Bites our coast.
Emily Martin, how are you tonight, Emily?
Emily: Well, other than turning into
dust I did get through this movie.
Well, uh, no, I didn't get
through this movie without crying.
I
Ben: no, you can't, you can't get
through the mom's death scene without
Emily: Oh my God.
Oh my God.
Ben: You can't.
Emily: Yeah.
But other than that, I'm doing great.
Jeremy: Great.
Fantastic.
And our guest tonight, comics artist and
writer and, uh, my onetime collaborator
on Marvel's Future Foundation.
It's our buddy Will Robson.
Will, how are you?
Will: I'm doing great.
Thank you so much for having me.
Yeah.
My body also went to a different planet
when I heard 29 is now a 33 year old man.
I thought he's doing a
bit better off than I am.
Ben: Well, it's not quite the same
energy as Jason Alexander being 29
into the season one of Seinfeld.
Will: that true?
Ben: That is true
Will: my
Jeremy: The actor or just the character?
Ben: both as far as I
know, the actor for sure.
Emily: I didn't know this
amount of deep lore of Seinfeld.
This is, this is getting into it.
I'm gonna be
Ben: It's very disturbing knowing
Jason Alexander had a twenties.
That's a guy you really want.
Just like coming into existence like
Athena out of Zeus is ahead at age 37.
Emily: Yeah, I swear he
was born with that haircut.
Like,
Will: he probably was as a baby.
Yeah,
Emily: yeah.
Well,
Will: may have grown in a little bit,
but yeah, it went right back to it.
Emily: just all the black hair around
Jeremy: goes out and then it's, it's
doing concentric circles outwards.
Before we get too caught up in talking
about Shauna the Dead, or Jason
Alexander's hair for that matter.
Will you have a big project coming
up on Kickstarter this month?
Uh, you wanna tell us a
little bit about that?
Will: I do.
Yeah.
So I have been running my own
passion project called Outbreaks.
It's a zombie comic.
I'm a huge zombie fan.
I have been ever since I saw Thriller
as a five-year-old on M T V, and
while everyone was laughing at the
zombies dancing, I was petrified.
So it's just something about that
has always scared me for life.
And I've just loved zombies and
I've been trying to put my own book.
Ben: As someone who has run out,
scream, run out of a room screaming
because the Monster MASH was put on,
I, I sympathize.
Will: yeah, well I think Simon Peck's
reaction when that zombie walks in
the room is like exactly me in, in any
zombie scenario when he just chucks
his hands in the air and goes, ah,
I like that would absolutely be me.
He's got an arm off.
I love that.
Anyway, so yeah.
So this book, huge
Passion project of mine.
We launched issue one back in March
and we got funded, which is amazing.
We actually got overfunded, which is,
I needed it 'cause I didn't, you know,
kick Crowdfunding's a tough game.
I did not budget it properly.
So thank God that I got that funded.
The way it did.
But on September 1st on Kickstarter, I'm
launching issues one through two and,
The thing about outbreaks is it's not
just your bog standard zombie story.
You know, the people trying to survive
in the zombie apocalypse has been
done to death and done incredibly
well, and there's not too much you
can add to that type of zombie law.
What I'm trying to do with this
book is sort of a black mirror
style zombie book where when you
look at a show like Black Mirror,
Everything is always about technology.
That's the theme.
But every episode is completely
different and bringing different
genres, different, different styles,
and I always thought that, man, you
could so easily do that with zombies.
So in our book we have like a
superhero noir zombie story and
a black comedy zombie story.
And in the future we're gonna have
a courtroom drama zombie story.
Like, there's so much like
stuff you can do with that genre
that I'm really excited to do.
So I just thank everybody that's
backed that project so far.
And if that sounds like your cup of
tea, then come September 1st, issues one
and two will be there on Kickstarter.
The pre-launch page is live right
now and I hope you come out for it.
Jeremy: Absolutely, and,
and we'll be sure to link.
That in the notes as well.
So if you're, wherever you're
listening to this, check out the
notes and you can check out the
the project on there as well.
Will: Thank you so much.
Jeremy: oh no, it's really exciting.
And a great tie in to, uh, talking
about Sean of the Dead, which I think
is, uh, has definitely proven to be
a zombie movie that has influenced, I
would say a generation of, of creatives.
for anybody that's not familiar,
uh, it is directed by Edgar Wright.
This is real, uh, sort of
breakout, directorial gig.
Emily: Well film
Will: spaced.
Yeah.
Jeremy: Yeah.
yeah.
It's, uh,
Emily: you.
It's very
Ben: This is the, the
start of the Corno trilogy,
Emily: yes, yes,
Jeremy: yeah.
Ben: The College Dorm
Defying Corno trilogy.
Jeremy: And it is, uh, is written
by Simon Peg and Edgar Wright and it
stars kind of a who's who of, of just
sort of, Great, fun British actors, a
lot of whom were just like not quite
who they are now when this happened.
Because we've got Simon Peg and
Nick Frost Kate Ashfield, Lucy
Davis, Dylan Moran, Peter, Sarah
Ovitz, bill Nye, Penelope Wilton.
There's, uh, several other people
in there now that it's like they
have a two second role in Shot of
the Dead, and you're like, oh yeah.
That guy is the star of like eight things
that are on Netflix in the last two years.
Emily: Martin
Ben: You mean?
Yeah.
You mean the silent Martin Freeman cameo?
Will: the Matt Lucas is in there as well
from Little Britain or, and you guys I
guess know him from, what do you guys call
the Great British break off in America?
Something terrible.
Jeremy: we really just
call it the Great British
Ben: yeah, we just call
it great British bakeoff.
Emily: a different name for it.
Will: I heard it was like called
like the British Baking Show and it
like made me throw up in my mouth.
Emily: I think it was, they called
it the Great British Baking Show.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've
Ben: Nobody
Will: sounds so wrong.
Emily: I've never, I've
never called it
Ben: that goes over as
well as, uh, X does.
Emily: It's still Twitter
as far as I'm, you
Ben: Uh, I had the
Emily: Candlestick Park.
Ben: I had the weird thought going
back and watching this movie of being
like, and I know he was, he was already
on in age when this movie was made,
but going and thinking myself, oh,
bill Nye looks really young in this.
Jeremy: he looks young
for a Bill Nye, you know,
Ben: Yeah.
But like for, for a bill n
like, I, I don't think I've
ever seen a younger Bill Nye
Emily: And by Bill Nye listeners, I just
want you to be, since you know if, if
you're in America and you're listening,
Jeremy: not the science guy.
Emily: not talking about the science guy.
We're talking about me two.
All right.
So
Ben: talking about Me too.
Emily: yeah.
Jeremy: Uh,
Will: voice mute him
Emily: Yeah.
So in the Pokemon movie, he merged with
MU two.
So MU
Ben: for spoilers for
Emily: oh, sorry.
Anyway, he's like the
Ben: Yeah.
No, go for it.
Go for it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
he,
he
Will: voiced by Bill Nye.
Ben: two.
Emily: well, he like became MU two, and so
he was like piloting MU two or some shit.
I,
Will: And it was Bill Nye.
That's
Emily: it was bill nine.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Will: when I think of Bill Nye, my brain
automatically goes to love, actually.
Jeremy: Yeah, I was gonna say,
I started singing that bad
version of love is all around me
Ben: Uh, the only good
part of love, actually,
Will: But I always, I always say his line
that, let's get pissed and watch porn.
So picturing you two saying,
that is quite funny to me.
Jeremy: yeah.
Ben: I think Bill Knight, I think
the mo I always think back to the
movie that I get that has gotten
vetoed many a time on this from being
covered on this podcast underworld.
Emily: Oh yeah.
Will: I've never seen
the Underworld series.
It's always been on my list to watch.
And then every time I'm like, I
could watch this now, I go, nah.
Jeremy: Yeah.
It's a very or not kind of situation.
Ben: if you've ever wondered
what a PlayStation one video game
would be like if it was a movie
instead, check out Underworld.
Emily: Yeah, it's a good,
it's a good music video.
Jeremy: but yes, bill and I uh, you
know, as Sean's mom, I, have many,
many different associations with.
But then, you know, you also have like
RAF spa and like a five second thing is,
you know, the, the shitty younger guy
who works at, at Sean's store Noel, it's,
yeah, it's full of, it's full of a lot of
people that will make you go, oh, hey guy.
Yeah.
And, uh,
Ben: Damn.
RA's Ball has had a fucking glow up.
Jeremy: yeah.
He is, I don't know if they, if
they glowed him down for that part
or they, he's glowed up since then,
but like he's, uh, I was like, same
Will: I didn't even realize.
I didn't even realize that was him.
That's crazy.
Ben: Damn.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Peter Citz basically looks the same.
Ben: Yes, Peter IC has not
aged a fucking case since 2004.
Emily: So before we go to the recap, I
just want to mention that there's a game
involved in this movie and it's called How
many Characters from Spaced Can You Spot?
Only, I mean, you also have to watch
spaced and there's a lot of deep lore with
this movie about space, and I'm gonna get
into that because I've like spent a good
five years of my life just watching space.
But
Will: I know one of them isn't the,
um, the delivery cyclist the zombie
Emily: tires, Yes, tires is a zombie,
and he basically tires the zombie.
Like he's the, I don't think he,
the character has a name other
than tires, but he, the, that actor
does appear in the world's end.
Although the only character, and
I'm wondering if, if any of you
saw him and I just didn't find
him I didn't see Marke anywhere.
Will: I don't think I did.
I, he may have been a
zombie at some point.
Emily: Yeah.
Will: pretty sure Edgar writes a zombie
at one point and gets shot by all of
the, uh, the military men at the end.
Emily: Oh yeah.
I didn't, I didn't recognize him,
but I was too busy looking for
Marke at the time, so it may have
Jeremy: Yeah, I, I do love Jessica Hines
just more than a cameo in this movie.
She's, because she's probably
my favorite part of space, like
Emily: do love Jessica Hines
Jeremy: But yes, if I, I, it's really
interesting to me as somebody who had
not seen space that all, when Sean of
the Dead came out, it was not, it was
really only available in like D V D
box sets at this point in, in America.
So, like, you know, it's one of
those things where you had to have
known a guy who knew, a guy who
knew about space to have seen it.
Will: yeah, I saw it after as well.
I, I mean, I actually grew up a lot in
America from the age of seven to 20.
I lived in New Jersey, so a lot
of people think my accent sounds
Australian because of that.
I don't hear it, but it doesn't matter.
So I missed a lot of like
English culture at the time.
97 I think.
I don't know when spaced actually came
out, but I was not around to see that.
So I was definitely seeing Sean
of the dead way before spaced.
Ben: Wait, if it, turns out that
Australia is England plus New Jersey.
That explains everything about
Emily: yeah.
I mean, come on.
Jeremy: Well, to be fair, New Jersey
is where we ship our criminals.
So, all right, so I'm
gonna do a quick recap.
I think, uh, recapping some of the dead
is a thing that can either take five
minutes or eight hours, depending on.
How many of the things
we wanna talk about.
I'm gonna strive more for the five
minute side, uh, and then we can talk
about all the fun stuff after that.
All right, so I think we can safely
start with, uh, Sean is a loser.
Uh, he is a man with a thankless retail
job living with two roommates, one
of whom is his grade school friend
Ed, who deals drugs and plays time
splitters two all day best game.
And the other of whom hates
Ed and wants to kick him out.
And Sean is sort of constantly defending
Ed against everybody, including his
girlfriend Liz, who is desperate to
get out of the slog of daily life
in doing nothing interesting, but
hanging out at the pub until she dies.
Liz has two friends that are also
gonna play into this quite a bit.
We have Diane, who is a, uh, failing
actress, and her boyfriend David, who
sucks, uh, who's clearly actually in
love with Liz and takes every possible
chance to undermine and run down Sean.
The movie takes a great deal of time and
care at the beginning to drive home the
fact that Sean, his friends, and a lot
of the recurring background characters of
London are actually living like zombies
wandering through their daily lives.
That's a lot of sort of what commentary
this movie has to offer is about
zombies and how we're both not paying
attention enough to realize when things
go bad, but also it's very much like
Dawn of the Dead and that people sort
of continue doing their shitty things
they were doing in, in life and death.
Uh, a lot of that used for gags.
Uh, however, as we slowly see the zombie
apocalypse growing in the background,
Sean fails to notice as Liz dumps him and
his own, uh, life begins to fall apart.
Sean and Ed discover a woman wandering
around in their backyard and, uh,
learn she's a zombie when they
accidentally impale her on a pole.
They're unsure what to do until, uh, they
get a call from Sean's mom who says some
kids tried to break into their house.
Uh, bit his stepdad.
Sean and Ned decided to take the Zombified
roommate, their Zombified roommate's car.
Go rescue mom and kill the stepdad.
And then go pick up Liz and go
to the pub where they think they
can ride this all out safely.
Through a series of misadventures, they
end up bringing the bit and stepdad
along, uh, who ends up dying in the car,
giving a very, uh, dramatic dying speech.
Bill Nye great turn as a shitty stepdad.
And turning after his
drama, dramatic monologue.
Uh, so they have to ditch the
car and end up getting to the
pub through the back streets.
Sean lures a bunch of the zombies
away so his friends can get into the
place, but not before, uh, David has
shattered the front window of the pub
making it difficult for them to then
stay hidden, uh, and safe in there.
Everything that could possibly
go wrong does mostly through the
idiotic actions of the main cast.
Largely Ed and David.
Occasionally Sean gets in on the action.
Everybody really does something
stupid at some point in this movie.
Sean's mom gets a dramatic death,
uh, and turning with the accompanying
debate about whether or not the killer
David gets dragged out the window
and ripped apart, uh, in a, a truly
grueling but well-deserved death scene.
Diane runs out after him getting,
uh, swept up in the crowd as well and
letting all the zombies into the place.
Ed gets bitten by his
naked undead ex-roommate.
Will: Darth Moore.
Bit him on the arm.
Jeremy: Darth all bit 'em on the arm.
Um, Ed, Sean and Liz end up
the last living members of
the party in the pub cellar.
Sean and Liz managed to escape
through the barrel hatch and
into the street full of zombies.
While Ed covers them, uh, just
before they can die dramatically,
the Army shows up and saves them.
We get a look at the post-apocalyptic
life, which is much the same as
realized before, but with zombies
zombies are on talk shows and
game shows and doing service jobs.
Finally Sean goes out into the shed to
play time splitters and we discovered
that he's, uh, still keeping zombie
ed out there in the shed who's
basically the same as Ed was before.
Just a little biter.
And they, they, uh, end up playing time
splitters together at the end there.
The end.
Emily: Les, I have a question.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Emily: Of the Coronado trilogy,
which is your favorite?
I'm asking the forum.
Ben: For me, it's definitely hot Fuzz.
A I think it just nailed all of,
like, everything it was doing both
commentary on and being an action movie.
And also it's the one moving the
trilogy where the emotional heart
is just a laser focus on the Simon
Peg, Nick Frost relationship.
In the other movies it's, you know,
more, Simon Pegs overall character.
MA maturity is the emotional heart.
And then you have like the
group of friends in World's End.
But I just love how hot fuzz is,
just everything is just laser focused
on the, on the two guys dynamic.
Will: I mean, is an incredible film.
I think about all the time
James Bond having something
stabbed through his mouth.
Saying I want some ice cream.
that's just so funny to
Ben: What a fucking goat
Timothy Dalton is too.
Will: Amazing.
I'm a slasher of prizes.
Oh.
It's just, he's so good in that film.
But I'm a big zombie nut, so I
have to go with Sean The Dead.
I remember this was the one of
the films that many want to go
to film school because I just
thought the script was so clever.
I love all the callbacks.
I love all the references to,
if you're a big zombie fan,
there's so much stuff in there.
Like, we're coming to get you Barbara.
Yeah.
And just like, just a million other
little things, like little lines.
There was even at the end I noticed
for the first time now re-watching it.
When they're watching TV at the
end, they're like, it's been
disproven that the zombie apocalypse
started by rage fueled monkeys.
And I was like, well, they're, they're
talking about 28 days later there.
I never even realized it when watching it.
So as a zombie fan,
there's just so much there.
Even, uh, David's death is quite like,
From Day of the Dead, which is my favorite
zombie movie by George Ramero, the
Gore of being ripped open by zombies.
Ben: That's the worst
thing, like when it comes.
To zombies.
Like really, when it comes to
any horror movies, like Truly
Devoured Alive by Zombie Hoard,
Will: yeah,
Ben: honestly, probably my
number one death, worst Death.
like, it's one thing to be like, ah, I
got bit on this shoulder and now ooh, I
get to have an emotional heartfelt thing.
And then well then at least then I
get to be part of the Monster Squad.
And that's fun.
Will: One great thing that Edgar
Wright said, which I agree with him
so much, is, so many people, there's
a, the old debate in the zombie
world of what's scar and fast moving
zombies are slow moving zombies.
And I've always been a slow moving
guy, and I think Edgar Wright said
it really well when he said, look,
slow moving, zombies are like lava.
Like it may take a while for it to
get you, but when it does, it's gonna
be painful because a slow, like fast
rolling zombie, you're screwed, right?
You, you run out there, it's
gonna rip your throat out.
You'll be in, in minutes.
But the slow ones, they're slow.
They're gonna, they're gonna
pull you apart incredibly slowly.
It's gonna be terrible.
And that's why I don't know if any of
you guys have seen Day of the Dead,
but the ending of that film is just the
most brutal zombie kills of all time.
Just people being ripped
to pieces by zombies.
And it, it is, it is tough.
Ben: we haven't covered that one yet.
Emily: we haven't covered it.
I've seen it, but.
Will: I love it.
I mean, a lot of people love Dawn The
Dead as, as Romero's best Zombie movie.
I get it.
The social commentary in
that movie is incredible.
It's just a great all around film,
but I really feel like today The
Dead is super underrated and, and
I recommend you guys check it out.
Emily: Yeah,
Jeremy: mean, I, I think Dawn of the Dead
for me is the key to the question of slow
moving zombies versus fast moving zombies.
I mean, one should not compare the
two, you know, the original Dawn
of the Dead and the Zack Snyder,
Don of the Dead, but we're one too.
I feel like that is very much the, at
the center of what does and doesn't
work about these two films is.
Zack Snyder's like, yeah, zombies.
Isn't that scary?
And it's like, well, yeah, the
zombies are scary, but like the
scary zombies is not the point.
The point is, you know, the zombies
are, at least in like the Romero
setup, are a thing that sets
everybody else against each other.
Like the humans are the real threat.
Um, and Snyder doesn't seem to
understand that the zombie babies
are instead, what's very scary?
Oh God, that scene.
Will: there's
Ben: could skip ahead and is, oh, sorry.
Will: No, all I was gonna add to that was
there's a scene in it when there's a bunch
of zombies are chasing them and they're
running up a stairwell and then they stop
and all the zombies just look at them.
I'm like, why have these zombies stopped?
Why have they stopped?
And they're just looking at people
like, this is a plot device.
Just so that they don't eat you right now.
Like this is really bad storytelling.
Ben: Then you could skip way
forward in his filmography where
he is just like, isn't it scary?
But also cool if sometimes some of the
zombies are just unexplained robots
Will: I can't, I, did I refuse
to talk about that film?
Ben: bad.
It's a
Emily: Sounds good.
Jeremy: You know, Simon Pag does to
some extent, but I think is really a, a
thing that Edgar Wright does very well,
is the sort of planting and calling
back of things throughout the movie.
Ben: Amazing
Jeremy: this movie does it at a
level that almost nothing else can.
Between like all the things that are
planted in there that are from other
zombie movies, but also just the sheer
level of like, scenes that repeat
themselves, you know, before and after
the apocalypse and, and you know, little
bits and pieces that happen, little bits
of dialogue that seem like throwaways
and then get delivered on later, come
Ben: this movie will make
you cry at a fart joke.
Emily: It will,
Will: It's almost, oh, sorry.
Go ahead.
Emily: oh, go you, please.
Will: I, all I was gonna say was it almost
is asking you to watch it again, right?
To be like, look at all these callbacks.
The second time you watch it, you're gonna
have even more fun because you're gonna,
we, you're not even gonna realize we were
you calling forward on certain events that
you didn't catch the first
Ben: Totally even before fucking
Jeremy and Emily y to me into
this horror junkie you see today.
Sean of the Dead was a movie I
had already seen like probably
about five times already.
Like this one was way up.
Yeah, like this is one of the, this is
on the Mount Rushmore of horror comedies.
Emily: yeah, there's almost a musical
cadence to the comedy in this movie,
and it it's sort of stylistic point
of Edgar Wright where he has these.
This rhythm of joke and of comedy
that you can really kind of get into
and it's, it's very symmetrical,
but also like very fun and engaging.
Jeremy: Yeah.
For anybody who's seen baby driver
like rhythm is like his thing.
I don't
know how he does it.
It it's a skill that I don't
understand and that I couldn't
replicate.
Ben: what he does, and I think what
you, and you can see it early on
is that, as far as I can tell, he
either clears all of the songs he
wants to use before filming or just
says, fuck it, we'll figure it out.
Because you can see this in
the Queen sequence and you can
really see it in Baby Driver.
The choreography is very much,
ri is very much like made in
advance, like to fit the music.
Like when they're hitting him with
the pool cues to the beat of the song,
like, so that it's all, it all comes.
It's like the song comes first and then
the rhythm of the action comes later
instead of try filming the scene and
then trying to score it afterwards.
Emily: It's definitely a music fan.
You know, there's a lot of like,
music fandom in there that I can see.
I mean, all the music in
his movies, it's so good,
Ben: There's almost a music video
quality in that, like it's the
rhythm drives the action instead
of the action driving the rhythm.
Jeremy: There's such a huge difference
between this and like David Aer Suicide
Squad, where it's just needle drop
after needle drop after needle drop.
And it's like, why is this here?
You got, oh, you cleared it.
Okay.
So it's like we're trying
to sell a soundtrack here.
Whereas this is like even from,
you know, from the very beginning,
it, it opens with like, what is it
that it opens with, uh, ghost Town?
Um, it's just playing in the
background and then like setting
the scene for that first pub
scene and it's killer soundtrack.
Emily: Yeah, and you can hear, you
can feel the love for the music too.
It's not, it's not just like, we want
this music because it's cool and it's fun.
It's like, oh, there's a connection
that the creators have with the music.
Like, that was one thing that, I mean,
world's End for me does kind of hit
a soft spot because of Sisters of
Mercy and just like how many, like
burnout, goths I have known in my life
Ben: it's a great world's end, great
movie, and I love the way Simon
Peg plays against type in that one.
Emily: Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a really great one.
That's one of like, why I'm, I
get conflicted about that one.
I think one of the reasons that it's so
popular is that it combines like the camp.
Also like situational British comedy,
and then also like really fine acting.
And so, you know, all of like the
American audience that has been growing
up with like Masterpiece Theater and
stuff, and they're like recognizing
people and like, people have grown
up on Masterpiece Theater and, um,
like the young ones and well, the Dr.
Who sure.
But like, I'm Dr.
Who's a is like way campy, but like
the kind of the human interaction is
what makes these movies so good because
like all of the characters are like
fully like absolutely fabulous human.
And, you know, and so I think it's
also, it, strikes a chord in like a
lot of, uh, overseas audiences as well
as like, as being very, very British.
Ben: It's, you know, making me realize
just some of the parallels between Shot
of the Dead and World's End that I think
you don't see as much with Hot Fuzz
with its Nick Angel, hyper competent,
actually knows exactly what his passion
is in life like, uh, protagonist.
It's, and you can almost say like,
you know, different stages of life,
different art is that Sean of the
Dead is almost exploring, like, okay,
here's a 30 year old who has kind
of been a quote, you know, quote,
unquote loser for the last 10 years.
And World's End is, here's a four year
old who has been a loser for the last like
20 years, and here's what fucking, here's
what fucking around for 10 years versus
fucking around for 20 years, looks like.
Emily: I mean, and it's, it's also
interesting how it deals with People, like
the older folks is like Gen X, et cetera.
Interaction with I, I know
I said older folks and I'm
really, really sorry about that.
But when you talk about Gen X and their
resistance to like mental health care
because they've self-medicated for so
long not to be dismissive, but I know a
lot of Gen Xers that are into self-care.
But you know, it's, it's the interesting
conversation because it's like, you
know, the, these characters that
are so past their time and then in
Shauna, the Dead, they're still kind
of, I mean, they're feeling past their
time, but they're still like, now
that we're looking at it, you know
Will: They're on the cusp, right?
Emily: Yeah, they're definitely
on the, they're like on that,
that quarter life crisis.
Will: like when he says like, oh,
rem remember that night we stayed
up all night and played tech
and two and drank Apple shops?
And he was like, yeah,
that was five years ago.
Time to move on.
It's like I get this point where they're
at and like one thing I like about this
film is the everybody in Sean's life
is saying, your Fr you need to grow up
and your friend is holding you back.
Sean actually does discover that
over this movie that, hey, I
think everyone's actually right.
Like when he finally snaps on Ed in
the bar, he's like, I've been sticking
up for you this, like, for years.
And like, you know, this is it.
Like we're now like,
we were dicking around.
It was just our life or whatever, but
now people's lives are on the line and
you know, I'm done with you essentially.
And that was like him
growing up in a, in a way.
Ben: oh yeah.
No, I think the emotional, like heart,
like the absolute core of the movie
is, and you don't normally see this
genre in a protagonist that's 29.
It's a coming of age film.
Emily: It really is.
It really is.
And also his like ability to a,
adapt to the zombie situation.
Like his arc happens almost imper,
like immediately like imperceptibly.
Because by the time that you really like
realize that he's emotionally matured,
you know, they're in the midst of the
apocalypse, but they still have time
to like really discuss his progress.
Right.
Ben: Yes.
His plan is bad though, right?
Like they definitely should have just
stayed at the upper floor apartment
that zombies clearly couldn't get
Will: yeah.
yeah.
This, his girlfriend's flat would've
been the best place to stay.
'cause yeah, you had to
be buzzed in to get in.
Yeah.
Ben: there was buzz, multiple doors.
You had a ton of shit to
barricade your own door.
None of them were climbing
up the other way, like.
Will: I've lived, I lived
in the
Ben: had space to communicate and signal
like Yeah, that was like, that was
definitely the safest place to stay,
Will: Yeah, I lived in a complex like that
in the uk and it is so, like if you times,
I've forgot my keys were, I'm like, well,
I'm not going inside tonight, because it's
just they are, they're like fortresses,
like it's pretty tough to get in them.
Emily: Yeah.
Will: Oh, by the way, if you guys
need any clarification for any British
ISS in this film, just let me know.
I'll do
my best.
Emily: I'm not familiar with
Tricia, although I can kind
of glean what Tricia is about.
The Tricia Show,
Will: Oh yeah, well, yeah, that's
just, yeah, it's just, you know,
it's, it's English England's version
of essentially all the, the crap
Jerry Seinfeld ish type stuff.
Emily: yeah.
Jerry Springer.
Will: Jerry Spring, that's it.
Not Jerry Seinfeld.
Sorry.
We were talking about Seinfeld before.
I've also been watching rewatching Kobe
enthusiasm recently, so Seinfeld on the
Emily: Oh yeah.
That very good.
Jeremy: yeah.
The, uh,
Ben: There's also the
Jeremy: cadence of it is
like, oh, this is Ricky Lake.
Like,
Emily: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ben: I don't know
Jeremy: I,
Ben: equivalent of comedians in
cars getting coffee is though.
Maybe taskmaster.
Will: It'd be blokes getting tea in
tiny automobiles or something like that.
Emily: In double Decker buses
Will: Yes.
In black cabs.
Emily: oh,
Jeremy: I don't, I don't feel
like Britain is really like in
need of a show specifically for
comedians to talk to each other.
That's like half of television.
It's so many like British panel shows.
Will: that's
Ben: I feel like somehow
Jimmy Carr would be involved.
Emily: Oh, absolutely.
Will: But with the last name, yeah,
Emily: yeah,
Ben: Yeah.
Emily: it's just comedians talking
with car instead of incar, although,
Will: they could be in them.
I mean, that'd be quite
an interesting show.
Emily: Yeah.
Kind of like inner space
Jeremy: you'd be for it.
Ben: comedian in car.
Will: Getting coffee.
Ben: you'd have to air, look, look, you
couldn't air it on every channel, but
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: it's, yeah, God, it,
Martin Freeman, him showing up.
I needed to look up like
where he was in his career.
Like the o like he had done the office.
So he had the, like the office and
I think like love actually had come
out where he had like a small role,
but like we're definitely pre, he
is the leading man in Hitchhiker's
Guide and definitely before Sherlock,
Emily: absolutely.
Like day, the ages before Sherlock.
As far as like culture is concerned.
Ben: can really chart more like
Martin Freeman's career over the
course of this Corno trilogy.
As his role gets larger
and larger in the movies.
Emily: Yeah.
Will: very true.
Emily: I'm really sad that like the
shot of the dead kids aren't quite as
like dense on Tumblr and by dense I
mean like many and, concentrated rather
than the state of being of you know,
they're intellect, but as there's all
the Super H locks, but like these are
shot of the dead is so, like, it's even,
I feel like it does also determine a
lot of what the new doctor who did.
And I know Simon Peg was in the new
doctor, like the first season of the new
Doctor who back in 2005 with them Helson.
Yeah, yeah.
There was this sort of TV movie
revolution after that too because
space had been on and I don't know how
space, like how popular space was, but
it wasn't, it never hit the states.
My roommate in college pirated
it it's okay 'cause I bought it.
Um, but, he pirated it and
he's like, here's some deep
lore about Sean of the dead.
And I, uh, we ended up like
that used to be just what I did
Jeremy: At the time, those like box
sets of British television at like
a Barnes and Noble were like 90, a
hundred dollars for like a season.
it was back in the day where, you
know, you got half of a season
of anime for a hundred bucks.
Emily: Oh God.
Yeah.
Ben: yeah.
Going out to Sam Goody and
getting the Gundam Wing VHSs.
Jeremy: yeah.
Speaking
of like,
Ben: Surely the series
will make sense now.
I thought naively.
Jeremy: yeah, I think I had another one of
those moments of like trying to figure out
where people were in their career with,
uh, with Sean's mom, because I was like,
oh, I know Penelope Wilton from like, Dr.
Who, like, she's Harriet
Jones, MP from Floyd North.
And then, you know, eventually the
prime Minister and I was like, oh
no, that's like a year after this.
Which trying to date this
by what seasons of Dr.
Ru look like is very difficult.
'cause it still has, like, during
the tenant years, it still has
that B b C of film quality of like,
oh, this doesn't, this doesn't
look like primetime television.
Um,
Ben: So did y'all see space before
this or like me, was this your
first exposure to Simon Peg?
Emily: This is my first
exposure to Simon Peg for sure.
Will: same as I said, I wasn't
around in England for space.
Definitely afterwards.
Emily: We had to convert
our files from PAL format.
Um,
Ben: does anyone remember, it's not
part of the Coronado trilogy, but it's
him and Nick Frost and they're like,
they pitch up a hitchhiking alien
and I think the Alien is Seth Rogan.
Emily: yes, that's Paul.
And that came out same
year as Scott Pilgrim.
Will: You really miss Edgar Wright
in that film, that's for sure.
Jeremy: Yeah, ed Great.
Was busy trying to make Antman happen and
then dropping off of it before it did.
Will: Oh
my God, I totally forgot that he was like
heavily involved in Atman for the longest
Ben: For like, for
Emily: yeah.
Yeah.
And you could still see
echoes of him in there,
Ben: Oh
Jeremy: and the first one for sure.
The later ones not so
Ben: Not, not, not so much by three
Jeremy: yeah.
Emily: Alas,
Will: I don't think I made it to the third
Ben: So I think, I don't think this
is gonna be a hot take, but uh, Diane
did absolutely nothing wrong and David
did everything wrong, that movie.
Right.
I.
Jeremy: Oh yeah.
Emily: yes.
Will: I will stand up for David in
one sense of being like, she's gonna
turn into a zombie and kill you.
I understand it may not be the most
appropriate time to shoot his mother,
Emily: Yeah,
Will: as someone who's.
Quite a practical person.
I was like, he's not
doing anything wrong here.
Like, she's gonna be a zombie.
And she does stand up as a zombie
and they do have to handle those.
So he wasn't wrong.
It may, it may have been bad timing,
but I don't think that he was wrong
in the sense of being like, Hey, she's
a zombie now and we need to deal with
it because that, like, in any zombie
story, that will just be their future.
Someone's bitten.
Like they'll kill them the
moment that they essentially die.
Emily: yeah.
No, that's,
Ben: Oh yeah.
I do love Simon pegs freak out
of he was wanting to kill my mom
Emily: Yeah,
Ben: that.
That whole scene is so
fucking heartbreaking.
God damn.
The whole mom death is, ugh.
Emily: oh yeah.
That's why I can't rewatch this movie.
Like, it's hard for me to rewatch
this movie, like I've rewatched a
hot fuzz and world's end because
it's so dramatic and I get so sad.
Like Bill N's little speech,
like being a father's thought
Will: Yeah.
But he, he does comically die though.
Emily: yeah.
Will: sorry to say, but when he
is like, take care of your mother.
Ooh.
Like, the way he sticks his face out,
it does make me laugh a little bit.
He dies, like dies hard in that film.
Ben: I mean the last you see of
zombie Bill NHI is turning off the music.
So like he might still be out there
in this post zombie status quo.
Will: and I really like that because
I know that Edgar Wright's a huge
George Romero fan and I mean, they
even sent him a, like a private
screening of it and he loved it.
And, and George Air was like a huge
like, advocate to see the movie.
He was trying to get into all these
different theaters and things in America
and he even wore shirts like, I've
seen Sean the Dead and You Should Too,
and stuff like he was, and so much so
that he invited Edgar Wright and Simon
Peg onto the set of Land of the Dead.
And they were zombies in that
Ben: Oh, that's so
Emily: Oh, nice.
I didn't know that.
Will: yeah, they're like
tied up at one point.
I know way too much about zombie stuff.
Uh,
Ben: many now, it's like in the wake of
this, there's been like zombie comedies.
Like, you know, there's been
Wor Bodies, there's been Anna in
the Apocalypse, but we like it.
We're, we're fans of Anna
in the Apocalypse here.
yeah.
Not so, not so much horn bodies though.
I'll give you that.
Um,
Will: seen it, but I know there's
like cockneys verse zombies,
which just looks fucking dreadful.
It looks like lock stock and two
smoking barrel in the zombie apocalypse,
and I dunno if I could do that.
It's got some actors in it that some
guys, but, uh, I've seen clips from it
and it's like nans with shotguns blowing
off zombie's heads and, and not in a
fun way, like a bit of a, you know,
a a a bit too lowbrow in my opinion.
Ben: think it says a lot when the nicest
thing you can say about a movie is, well
some of the people in it are actors.
Will: Yeah.
Yeah, it's true.
Jeremy: Yeah, that's, that's
one I've heard a good bit about
along with, what is it called?
Doghouse, which is the, like, bachelor
party gets attacked by zombies thing, uh,
which is, is also A friend of mine pointed
that out to me as a potential British
zombie film to talk about at some point.
Um, I think doghouse
Will: you guys ever seen Fido
Jeremy: I know about Fido.
I've never seen it though.
Will: a what's his name?
The Scottish comedian?
I can't remember his name.
Bill something.
Uh,
Ben: I
Will: it's, it's a
great, it's a great film.
It's So something about the film
I really enjoy, it's very not many
people know about it, but it's, it's
just a world where they've conquered
basically the zombie apocalypse.
They're kind of like the end of Sean
o Deb, where they're using them for
groceries and this, that, and the other.
But in, in Fido, people have pet
zombies and it's all very like fifties.
And, uh, the actress who played
Trinity and the Matrixes in it,
she plays sort of like a, Yeah.
she plays like a fifties housewife.
She's absolutely stunning in it.
Um, and I really love that film.
It's, it's quite a, a fun film.
And it's actually like, that's,
that film is the type of stuff
I'm trying to do of my book.
It's just like, take that trope, but do
it in, in, in a fun and, and interesting
way because it reminds me of like, fallout
the video game that, that movie where,
but like, you know, the people in the
bunker, like everything's fine down here.
The world's gone to Howl,
but everything is great.
Oh, hi.
How are you?
It's the fifties.
Ben: Well, I'm glad you mentioned, like,
you know, a world of keeping zombies
as pets, because I don't wanna talk
about the ending of this movie in Ed,
because while Sean is one of the most
three dimensional, nuanced characters,
like in Moin zombie movies, and his
emotional growth in coming of age is the
incredible beating heart of this movie.
Ed is a little more two dimensional,
I think, and I get, and to this
day, I'm still not sure of what the
ultimate message of this movie is.
Ah, well, he just li he just
lives in a shed and plays video
games as a, as a chained up pet.
His, his natural state, what
he is honestly happiest as.
Will: It's, it's kind of funny in a way
when you think about, I have people in
my past that are the same way they were.
You know, 20 years ago.
And to me that scene is always
represented like, oh, I'm gonna go
see an old friend and what do you do?
You sit down and play, you know,
times ERs on PS two and like have
a beer and you're like, oh, this is
what this situation is now forever.
So I always found that quite funny
'cause it's like a quite a good
reflection of real life of some, you
know, some people are meant for the
past and that's, and he's stuck in it.
And I like that.
Ben: It's definitely interesting
to have, you know, all the, you
know, watching it a ton growing up.
It was, you know, growing up being a
teenager in college and stuff, and now
watching it an age where it's like,
oh yeah, I've had friends that just
fucking never developed past like,
like, that are like just got stuck
in the past that just, you know, got
stuck in the past that never developed.
And man, it is weird.
I.
Emily: I think it's kind of bittersweet,
but also mostly sweet to me.
Like I always felt like it was,
there was a lot going on there
because he, Simon, peg Sean.
Killed his mom and was
considering killing.
Like he has a scene where he is
like, I don't, I'm not going to
shoot my mom my best friend and
my girlfriend in the same evening.
But the fact that he just couldn't
bring himself to shoot his best friend.
And then he just figured out a
way that his best friend is happy,
which like was basically the same
in life as he was in on death.
Ben: It is.
It is.
Emily: You know?
So like, what, you know, no harm, no foul.
I think like he still has his best
friend and he, you know, maybe time
splitters isn't as engaging when
you're I mean, I don't know how
good zombie ed is at time splitters.
Jeremy: He didn't seem very good.
He was not holding the controller in
a way that, that really made sense.
But have you guys played, by the way, has
anybody here played Time Splitters two?
Emily: Like a
Ben: only in like, uh, the arcade
Emily: I've played second.
I've played a shit.
Ben: I want,
Jeremy: time Splitters two is, is made
by the same team that made Goldeneye,
Emily: Oh,
Jeremy: like,
Will: Yeah, you could see it in
like the shooting rings, like of the
health and stuff
Emily: yeah.
Jeremy: souped up Goldeneye and
made it like a quantum leap story.
But like time splitters two is, is
in the running, I think for like
best games of that generation,
Ben: I want them to make a sequel, but I
to Shauna the Dead, but I want it to only
be 40 seconds long and for it to just be
zombie Nick Frost, just like, but now he's
got an Oculus Rift in Motion Controls.
Emily: yeah.
And he's streaming.
He has like a live
Will: uh, uh,
Ben: Nick Frost would have so
many fucking Twitch followers.
Emily: Yeah.
Yeah.
Will: like that, that zombie
just beat level three in time.
Split two.
Emily: a really great like meta marketing
campaign for something where, Nick Frost,
the actor goes on and is plays a zombie.
Plays zombie ed and plays
a video game as zombie ed.
Jeremy: I think it might be
about 15 years too late for that,
that ad.
But I, I do, I do get what you're saying,
Emily: if there's a sequel.
Yeah, then it actually, if there
was a shot of the dead sequel, it
just would have to be him streaming
as Ed, like that's the sequel.
Ben: well, I can tell you it was very
uncomfortable this watch around just
how much I agreed with Peters sernik.
Yeah.
Jeremy: Sarah Ovitz.
Ben: Yeah.
It was very disturbing this time around
how much I like agreed with Peter Sitz
in this movie where it's like, fuck it.
Yeah.
Keep the door closed.
This guy's just, this
guy's not cleaning up.
We're paying rent and is living
there for apparently nine years.
Emily: is really hard for me
to distinguish this character
from Dwayne from space.
So like immediately I'm like, I hate him.
Shoot him in the balls.
Ben: Like, I know he is an asshole,
but if somebody woke me up at four
in the morning with super loud music
when I had to work the next day, like,
I can't say I would act much better
Emily: Yeah.
Yeah.
I think, well, Pete, Pete and
David do have the issue of, it's
a classic conundrum of the method
as opposed to the message, right?
Like, you know, that was the,
that was their whole problem.
Was it?
David was a piece of shit and he was
right, but he could have done the,
what he ended up doing at the end.
Like he, in the first place, he
could have just been like, Hey,
Sean, mom's not looking so good.
I'm gonna give you the gun
and you know what to do.
Instead of being like, I need to do
this because I need to prove that.
I'm also like, you know, as, as, In
this situation as Sean is because Sean
the loser, has miraculously been like
this super amazing zombie killer and
saved us all and like even tried to
sacrifice himself for everybody by
like leading all the zombies away.
And this is remarkable act of heroism.
Ben: Let's be real.
It's a good thing David died when he did.
Otherwise he probably would've wound
up like going down to Joe Rogan, Andrew
Tate Rabbit Hole, and way too late
in life for it to even have any, for
it to be even more sad and fucked up.
Emily: oh yeah.
He was already listening
to that kind of shit.
Like he was already like reading
those websites or whatever, whatever
the equivalent was in the 2004.
Ben: only thing more cringey and fucked
up than like a fucking 14 year old
Emily: Yeah.
Oh, there you go.
Ben: then, like a 14 year old.
Yeah.
Parroting that shit is
like a fucking 50 year old.
Emily: Yeah.
Oh, I remember my question
that I was gonna ask earlier.
Did this movie come out before Doom?
Jeremy: Before the Game Doom or
Emily: the, the movie
Ben: The The Carl Urban Tomb.
Will: that's like oh 4, 0 5, isn't it?
Jeremy: This is oh
Ben: Yes.
That's oh five.
This is oh four.
This movie
Jeremy: a year before.
Yeah.
Emily: Oh, amazing.
So this movie did f p s the, um,
Will: the gun can you
Emily: the gun cam.
Yeah.
Will: Well, that was, that
was an ode to Evil Deads and
Evil Dead too and stuff like
Ben: yeah.
Which by the way, when are we
doing, when are we doing tomb?
When are we doing car?
Urban verse.
The Evil Rock.
Jeremy: I thought about pulling that
up for my birthday this year, but, uh,
Emily: yeah, I heard Jeremy like floating
Jeremy: live one out, so.
Ben: Okay.
No, that's a
Will: I loved that movie as like a
12 year old, but I don't think
I've seen it since I was 12,
Ben: Well, I just Googled it and
it said on the credits list is, uh,
Doug Jones is a character named Dr.
Carmack m So it's clearly
the greatest movie ever made.
Jeremy: Yeah.
It's a, it's a fine film.
Emily: it just, it is a, uh, it is a film.
I will agree about that.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Uh,
Emily: anyone, have any of
you seen the like special
features for Sean of the Dead?
Jeremy: It is,
I'm sure at some point when
DVDs were aing,
Ben: of Lucy Davis.
Uh, Diane still being alive.
She's in a tree, and she was just so
badass that she literally fought off
an entire zombie hoard and survived.
Emily: she's in Christmas card
correspondence with, uh, Liz and Sean.
Will: Oh really?
I, I, what I remember from the D v D
extras was they had a lot more like
fully filmed television segments.
Like I, I remember they had like
the full on like zombies trying to
reach for the meets like the Tochi
Castle style shenanigans and that
they also had a full segment with,
what's his name from Coldplay,
Jeremy: Chris Martin.
Will: yeah, zombie.
And like they have like all like,
'cause you saw him for a second
there and I was like, I remember them
having a full interview and yeah, I
Ben: That would've been so fucking funny.
If they had a joke there.
It was like nickelback or cold
playing, like the lead singer was
a zombie, but it made no fucking
difference for their music.
Will: No, it made it better.
Emily: yeah, yeah.
Ben: Yeah,
Emily: Eddie Better is now
Ben: it might work for
Nickelback, like Yeah.
Emily: oh, yeah, that's better.
Ben: It get even more grumpier.
Emily: Yeah, that actually, I mean it,
Pearl Jam is actually like decent band.
I can't speak confidently of my own
opinion regarding nickel, pla nickel back.
Ben: Nickel
Will: nickel, plaque,
Ben: Nickel play.
Nickel play.
My worst nightmare of a band,
Emily: Cold,
Will: back.
Emily: cold back.
I don't know about that one.
Jeremy: It sounds like a slang
for a drink of some sort, like.
So that's a mixed drink.
Ben: sling.
When it's a hot one, sling back.
A cold back.
Emily: Cult sling.
Sling.
Nickel.
A cult.
Nope.
I just, it
Jeremy: Also, I gotta say the music
supervisor for this film, and I noticed
this as I was watching the credits
last night, named Nicholas Angel.
I was like,
did
Ben: Are you fucking wait?
Is that for fucking real?
Are you shitting me with that?
Holy shit.
Jeremy: yeah.
The, the music supervisor for
this film is named Nicholas Angel.
Ben: Did he come back for Hot Fuzz?
Jeremy: that I don't know.
All I can figure
Ben: That's wild.
Jeremy: Penn were like,
that's a great name.
Gonna name couldn't name a character that
Ben: Oh man.
Edgar
Emily: and Sean Penn.
Ben: Edgar Wright and Sean Penn's.
Hot Fuzz is a very different
Jeremy: did I say Sean Penn,
Emily: Yes,
Jeremy: peg Simon Peg, not Sean Penn.
Ben: This is all I can think about now.
It's just like, it's just fucking
like, it's Scotty from Star Trek,
but now it's Sean Penn instead.
Emily: but I, that would make me sad.
Si.
Simon Peg is so cute.
Like, he's so like boyish
small ears, you know?
And he does this whenever he looks sad.
He's just such a, he's like a good actor
and he is really good at looking pathetic.
But in this like, boyish way that I
can't help but like, empathize, like,
and it's not, it's not like a like a
sexual attraction for me or anything.
Like, he looks like somebody
where I'm like, oh, are you okay?
Ben: you can wanna fuck Simon.
Simon, peg.
Emily: It's just not how I, it's
just not how I feel about Simon Peg.
Like I, you know, I, I think he's
a good looking guy and stuff,
but like, I don't, I'm not like,
oh yeah, Simon Peg, you know,
Jeremy: I love that Simon Peg has
handed down his like characters
and, and space in the market.
Jack Quaid.
It's just like, here you are me now.
'cause like literally the
boys, Jack Quaid is playing the
character that in the comics
looks exactly like Simon
Ben: about a baton pass.
Wait, where's Simon?
Peg Blaze, his dad.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Emily: Oh God.
Ben: Okay, you, you say that.
What about World's End?
Simon Peg?
Is that a fuckable Simon Peg?
Emily: Yeah, actually,
yeah, absolutely, 100%.
Ben: Yeah.
Fucking golf burn.
Golf burnout.
Simon Peg.
Come on.
I
Emily: I
think I fucked that Simon peg
and that was a bad idea though.
Ben: Oh, absolutely.
A bad idea.
A hundred percent.
Jeremy: Okay.
All right.
This, this is a very, this is a very
deep hole we're diving into here.
So I'm, I'm gonna pull this
back and, uh, get us on track
here with, with our question.
Guys, uh, how does this movie handle, uh,
any kind of lgbtqia plus representation?
Emily: not great.
Jeremy: Doesn't, it doesn't.
Emily: and now, I mean it's Nick
Frost or Ed says Gay when Simon
is talking about his girlfriend.
Ben: What, you know what I, I'm
watching Venture Brothers and just
being like, yeah and you know, having
been a teenager in 2004, it's sort
of like, man, this is aged terribly.
But yeah, we did call anything
that had with a hint of emotional
vulnerability, gay back then
Emily: I am going to take this moment.
Go ahead.
Finish your that thought and then I'm
Ben: well just like, I absolutely
hate that he does it, but yeah, if
we're just going for realism, ed in
2004 is a hundred percent calling
just about everything under the sun.
Gay,
Emily: Yeah.
I mean, the way, at least the
way they do it in this, yeah.
I hate it too.
Ben: in that,
Emily: At least it's
coming
from
Ben: 2000, the two thousands weren't a
good decade, y'all, it was a bad decade.
We were learning
Jeremy: It is much harder to
like in 2023 than he was in 2004.
'cause he is a very, he's a
very 2004 ass motherfucker from,
Will: Dropping MBOs and stuff.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: And, and his lovely, his
lovely dropping of the n-word when
he drives up to pick everybody up.
I was like, oh,
Ben: Did he actually say the N word?
'cause my brain just went like,
there's no way he said the N word.
He might, I must've
Jeremy: he said it with an a z at the end.
Emily: Yeah.
It was the AZ one, but it's still
like, I mean, it's a faux pa that
a lot of white people still do.
Still not great.
Ben: Yeah.
Emily: and a lot of white people.
In 2004, when I saw the
movie did laugh at it, so
Ben: again, watching this movie at like
19, I'm like, man, Ed's a fucking idiot.
Like, I'd fucking party with Ed.
Hell yeah.
Watching this movie at 33, I'm like, I
would absolutely kick it outta my house.
Are you kidding?
I would not fucking put
up with Ed in my house.
No
Emily: I saw it, when I saw it
before and I was like, oh my God.
Yeah.
Like if he was still cringey
when I was, when I saw it,
Jeremy: you you want him to bring
you the weeded and then leave?
Ben: yes.
Emily: he's best that Ed is best in
Ben: I don't even want
to get my weed from that.
Oh, Nick Frost and attack the block.
Now that's a Nick Frost I can get behind.
Emily: Like that, that Ed
would never drop the N bomb
Ben: Mm-hmm.
Jeremy: an executive
level, that's an executive level Ed.
He is.
He's gone up the ladder a few steps.
Emily: Yeah.
That Ed is, is, that is a success Ed.
Like
it failed upward.
Ben: that, is an ED who may not be living
legally, but is still able to pay bills.
Emily: Yeah.
So I'm gonna go in my thing 'cause we
talk about L G B T Q I A stuff and,
you know, we talk a lot about space
and the e there's a specific episode
of space that this is based on.
That is basically like, this was,
that was, you could see that is
the seed for Shauna the Dead.
It's an episode wherein Simon P'S
character, whose name is Tim Beasley,
who's this comic artist, which is
like, How targeted are we getting here?
But named after Simon Beasley,
which like I know too much about
space, but there's a, he has a
neighbor who is a fine artist now.
When I first saw space, I was in art
school and I did not expect to be
so hit with something so relatable.
Then Simon Pig and Mark Heaps, like
weird shit that they had going on
as a comic artist and a fine artist.
And like, the kind of shit that I was
hearing from both sides, as, you know,
as my identity was swinging from comic
artists to fine artists as I was going
through fine art school where nobody, like
all my professors were like, comics are
the thing that we like, make collages of.
But anyway, this episode Tim Beasley
Is bullied into taking a bunch of speed
and won't stop playing Resident Evil.
And at the end of the day, yeah,
Ben: I just have to say what your
teacher said reminds me of why I wanna
like find a necro, answer Reanimate
re Roy Lichtenstein, and just slap
him across the face as hard as I can.
Emily: he had a really bad time though.
We're Lichtenstein, didn't
he have a really bad time?
Jeremy: I mean, he was an artist, so.
Emily: Yeah.
I can't remember what, but
Ben: I mean, probably, I just know he
made a lot more money than the act, than
the comic artist who's work he took.
Emily: that's true.
I mean if we're gonna
slap anybody we're, we can
Ben: You know, there's a, I will say he's
not even in the top 50, but list of people
who deserve Necro SLAP via Necro Man.
Emily: I mean Andy Warhol
is definitely above him, I
Ben: Oh, a hundred percent.
Andy Warhol
Emily: But he would like it and
that's why I would slap him.
'cause I know he would be
like, oh, that's interesting.
I.
Ben: I'm rewatching Venture Brothers.
I'm reminded how their version of Andy
Warhol was combined with Alex Luther,
the Legion of Doom, and just chef's Kiss.
Emily: okay.
I've, I need to, as much as I really
like, I'm really intrigued by this
'cause I haven't seen that much.
Venture Brothers.
I need to go back to space because
this episode of space where Tim see
like, does the speed plays, resident
evil, starts seeing zombies, there's a
whole subplot with Brian seeing his ex.
And that is really, like
his whole ex's situation is
arguably incredibly transphobic.
So we're talking about space a
lot, and I talk about how space
is a big, uh, influence in this.
Be warned if you're gonna check out
space and you haven't yet, this episode
has some real, like transphobic angles.
And this is of course from 1997.
It's not an excuse, but I
just want people to be aware.
It's a, I can't remember
the name of the actor.
It's from Little Britain.
Very, very like kind of flamboyant actor.
Who plays a non-gender
specific artist who's a total
Will: Uh, David Williams.
Emily: David.
Well, thank you.
And, you know, great on Little Britain.
But yeah,
Will: Don't, don't worry.
I mean, half of Little Britain is, is,
is you can't watch in television anymore
because of past problematic stuff.
Emily: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, at least a lot of
Will: He's a children's author now.
Emily: Oh, bless.
Bless him.
Will: guy though.
I mean, a lot of these people, it
was such a different time that none
of them actually meant a fence.
It was more just socially acceptable.
Right?
But I don't think they truly meant
like anything bad by this stuff.
And it just took decades to
finally learn, Hey, maybe that
stuff I did was inappropriate.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: Especially like some of the
stuff like from the late nineties,
two thousands, like it was just
like, especially like, you know, you
had like South Park and all that.
Like it was just a
time when like wanting irresponsible
boundary pushing for its own
sake was being so rewarded.
Like
Emily: Yeah, very well said.
Ben: I
was.
a teenager making a web
comic in the two thousands.
Lord.
Oh, lordy, please.
Oh, please do not judge my
current character by the, the
content of that fucking web comic.
Emily: Is it still up?
Ben: No, but archives exist.
Emily: yeah, that's true.
Jeremy: Yeah, I, this movie
is interesting to me because,
Ben: paying $200 a year just to
hoe, just to fucking keep hundreds
of cancelable cancelable comic
strips like publicly available
Jeremy: This movie is simultaneously
way ahead of its time, but also could
not be more 2004 if it were wearing
a short skirt with a visible thong.
Like it's just,
Ben: while playing thong song.
Jeremy: yeah.
If, if the skirt was like a low rise
skirt with a thong above the skirt,
it couldn't be more 2004 if they were
drinking Corona and racing Vin Diesel.
Like, it's just, it's
very much in that moment.
And I, I think like it's a, it's an
accurate projection of that moment,
even in the stuff that when you
watch it now, you're like, Ugh.
Um, it's like, no.
I mean, that's, that's the
world that Sean lives in.
It's the world that we lived in in 2004.
I don't think it does, I don't
think it, as a movie does anything
that's, that's outright offensive.
I.
Ed is offensive.
He's meant to be, uh, he maybe doesn't
come off quite as, uh, quite as jovial and
fun as, uh, as he would've at the time.
But also I, you know, like, like Ben said,
that's a, a symptom of us growing up,
up and being like, oh, this fucking guy.
Um,
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: We've all, we've all had
experiences with our own eds that have,
you know, led us to think maybe we're not
quite so forgiving of those guys anymore.
But yeah, I think you know, we
said it doesn't have too much to
say about L G B T Q stuff at all.
Um, there's nothing outright offensive
or attacking on that side, but you
know, it also doesn't have much of
anybody who is non-white in this movie.
Ben: Oh God, no.
Like there is an, there is a
South Asian man who runs the, not
bodega, but whatever, I forget
what bodega, you know the store?
The corner
Will: corner corner shop.
Ben: Yeah, the corner shop like that.
Is it,
Emily: and I mean, it's his.
Depiction could be more
flattering, but it's not.
Ben: it's not an offensive
Jeremy: he's just a guy
that runs a corner store
Ben: it is just, yeah, like the,
the only non-white person in the
movie is the corner store owner,
and that is not a very meaty role.
Emily: yeah.
I mean there are, there is diversity
among the zombies, but I mean,
it's not a very big cast and it's
also a very, like, specific cast.
If the movie was made today, I think it
would definitely have some diversity.
But I think, but again, it's a
very specific depiction of a,
a specific group of people the
same way that like space was.
And I do wanna mention that,
Edgar Wright and Simon PE and
everybody are not, they're not tur.
Don't
Ben: no.
And the degree to which it's just playing.
Like, look, this movie had a pretty small
cast and these group of guys wanted to
work with their friends and collaborators.
Emily: Yeah.
Well that's another thing about the
Coronado trilogy is that it is a, a
lot of people that have worked together
for a very, very long time, and so,
you know, there's, it's not about
like representation so much as it is
about these people and their dynamic.
Jeremy: Yeah it has, I guess, sort of
moderate things to say about class.
I mean, it is very much a projection
of people who are very, like thoroughly
lower middle class, you know, if
not lower class three dudes to an
apartment you know, just, getting by.
But yeah, I don't think it, it,
I don't think it stretches to do
like a very Romero discussion of,
of politics and, and, uh, class.
So do you, do you feel any,
any way about that will.
Will: I, I mean, I think all the social
commentary comes from the beginning of
the movie and just the people that you
see inevitably becoming zombies, you know?
The whole sort of thing is you're,
you're zombie of your own life to begin
with, of the repetition, et cetera.
And that, and that really does play
into like, you need to grow up, right?
Because he's practically living
the same day over and over again,
living with his friend and going
to the same pub and all that stuff.
And it, that is, in a sense, can
be transcribed as, as what a zombie
does is, is living in repetition.
So I love, I love all of that.
But know at the end of the
day, this film is a love story.
And that's what it truly is.
And that, and that's what I
think it truly executes as well.
I think all of that stuff is a
complete, like, side fun and, and
it's great, but it's never trying
to put that on full display.
Emily: Yeah, I mean this is, this
movie really excels at what people
keep joking about, what they want out
of pride and prejudice and zombies,
which is the fact that, you know, you
have a really meaningful interaction.
Of course in this case, it's a lot
more relatable interaction of, of
people and then the zombies are
so are just part of it, you know?
Will: a Pride and Prejudice
and Zombies movie, isn't there?
Emily: yeah, I haven't seen it, but I'm
like, I've, I've seen Shauna the Dead.
I don't need to see this.
I mean, if I wanted to see people
in period costumes, okay, maybe,
Will: I think that came off the back
of Abraham Lincoln, vampire Hunter.
Emily: Yeah.
Yeah.
It's one of those where I'm
Ben: Uh, that checks out.
Emily: I haven't seen any of
those, but I'm like, this is a
title, like this movie's a title
and then you made a movie on it.
And I'm not drunk enough.
I'm past my days of staying up with
my apple schnapps and playing tech in,
um, as much as I would, you know, maybe
one day for my birthday, just play
tein all night and drink apple shops.
Will: Sounds great.
Emily: Um, I don't know if my healthcare
can cover the results of that, but
Jeremy: the five day
hangover that results in,
Will: that's a mental health day.
I'd say
Jeremy: yeah, I was gonna say this,
this movie doesn't have a ton to
say about, about mental health
or physical disability really.
I mean, we, we get there's, you
Will: a zombie in a wheelchair
Emily: Yeah, there's a
zombie in a wheelchair.
Will: using the wheelchair as well,
Emily: Yeah,
Jeremy: Yeah.
They're not just, not just pulling
themselves down the street.
They're actually zombie
using the wheelchair.
Will: and that's why I thought it
was quite Romero like, 'cause they're
remembering stuff from their regular life.
Right.
Emily: yeah.
Will: This
Jeremy: yeah.
Will: is also the only zombie
movie where you really kind of see.
The outbreak being sorted out.
Right?
Like, oh, we pretty much
got this under control now.
Like, I can't really think of
too many other zombie stuff where
Ben: Isn't
Will: world going back to normal,
Ben: yeah.
Well, you
Emily: Not really fully back to normal.
Ben: yeah, I haven't really seen, it isn't
like, I always like how 28 days later do,
where it's like, look, the world is fine.
One city is utterly fucked, but we were
able to contain it to that one city.
Will: But they, even the,
but the television even
showed that it was worldwide.
What happened?
Ben: No, you're right.
This really is like the one zombie thing
where it's like, you know, Z Day, where
it's like they, you know, they essentially
got it sorted out in what, 48 hours?
Will: the fact that they
called it Z Day means it must
have been sorted out quickly.
Right.
Emily: Yeah, yeah,
Jeremy: I mean, the bulk, the bulk
of the zombie part of the movie
I mean, all happens in one day.
Ben: I know when protagonists always
run outta bullets, but in real
life there are so many bullets.
Emily: Oh, well, yeah.
Once those, those soldiers are really good
at telling who's a zombie and who isn't.
Jeremy: They're really bad at
shooting zombies in the head though.
They,
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: they waste a lot of
bullets, shooting zombies in
the chest and stomach and,
Will: That's accurate though, right?
He didn't know how to shoot a a gun.
Especially some guy from the uk.
It's not like you've gone
down the range in the weekend.
Jeremy: oh, yeah.
I'm just talking about the soldiers.
Sean, is
Will: Oh, sorry.
Jeremy: with a gun?
Um,
Ben: Oh Yeah.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: Yeah.
I mean like, yeah, just the soldiers
Emily: fact
Will: spraying and praying, right?
Emily: yeah.
Yes.
Correct.
They have been playing their
due diligence of time splitters.
And then some,
Jeremy: yeah.
I here's a, a question for you.
Do we feel, uh, how do we feel this
movie does as far as, uh, being feminist?
Is it feminist, is it not?
Was it.
Emily: it's not, not feminist.
Ben: I agree.
Yeah, that's my, it's not explicitly
trying to be feminist and it's certainly,
you know, not, you know, the mom and
girlfriend characters aren't bad, but
they do exist to be mom and girlfriend.
Emily: yeah.
And they do have a little bit more
than they're, they're, they have
a little bit more agency and a
little bit more like screen time
to really get a chance to, to
see their character and, you
know, and Diane albeit small.
Her part still being like,
you know, going out in
A
Ben: powerhouse, small, a tiny
role, but a powerhouse of a role.
Let's give it up.
Lucy Davis fucking brought it
Emily: She did
Ben: when she was, oh, when she
was like teach, when she was like
leading the acting workshop on zombie.
That was an amazing say.
Jeremy: My,
Will: always.
Great.
Jeremy: my favorite bit with her is
after she does the acting workshop when
they're walking, Through the group of
zombies and everybody else is moaning.
And she's like on pitch.
She, she's like,
moaning, uh uh.
I was like, it's so, it's so actor.
It's, it's, it's so good.
Will: Well, there, there is a very strong
female character in Shaun the Dead, and
it's um, I can't remember the character's
name, but it's Sean's ex-girlfriend
who leads a whole, whole, yeah.
Leads a whole other group
Emily: Oh, Yvonne.
The Justin
Will: Yeah.
Leads a whole other group,
gets the army together.
And is is, is getting things done.
Yeah, exactly.
Ben: Yeah, she's,
Jeremy: a, if there was a spinoff
or a sequel to Shauna that
did, that's what I wanna see.
I wanna
Emily: I wanna
Jeremy: what Yvonne was up to.
Ben: yeah, I wanna see like
the other side of that story.
She's great.
Emily: Also her mom
Ben: Like
Emily: from Space.
Ben: Can we appreciate that.
Fucking like the military's
coming out with like just shooting
machine guns and Yvonne still
just kicking ass off a golf club.
Emily: Fuck yeah.
Fuck yeah.
And you know, she's like, and it's
funny 'cause she's a strong, you
know, she's like the strong female
character, but we don't really need
to see her being the strong female
character because we know that she is.
So we're, you know, we're
gonna there's not a lot of
like emotional conflict there.
It's all like, that's the
action movie that's happening.
Like she's in the
action movie.
Ben: I love, the low key judgment
she has when they reunited.
It's like, oh just as
the two of you then Okay,
Jeremy: good that somebody made it.
Emily: yeah.
Ben: it could, you could
have done worse I suppose.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Will: She had the same judgment
when they're like, oh, we're
going to the Winchester, and she's
like, yeah, that's a great idea.
Good luck.
Emily: But that's the thing is
that unlike all of the other, like
the assholes in the movie that are
like, yeah, naysaying everything.
She's like, you're making this decision.
This isn't the time to nag you about it.
This isn't the time to like judge anybody.
You know, I'm going this way.
We can, we could go together if you
want, but you have this idea and I'm not
gonna challenge that because you know,
Jeremy: She has very
healthy ex energy like that.
She's like, oh, just wanna
see how you were doing.
Oh, you're still screwing everything up.
Go ahead.
Just, you know, you, you do you I am not
invested in this relationship anymore.
Yeah, it's, it's nice.
I, uh, I really appreciate
her in this film.
Emily: I almost wonder if it was like
supposedly a sequel to Spaced like it
if it was originally pitched that way.
Will: Not sure.
I know that it was all it all
came off of that one episode
when they did Resin Evil two,
Emily: yeah,
Will: and it was all spawned from
that idea and, and playing around
with that because I, I love that.
I mean, I, I'm a diehard
resin evil fan, so I.
And re evil two on PS one
is my favorite zombie game.
So having a show, like when I watched
that and I was like, like Edgar Wright
who made Sean of the Dead is like
making a mini res evil movie right now.
This is the best.
Emily: I bet.
I do think that there's
something interesting to say.
I don't know if this has to do
with what progressive politics.
I mean, I maybe a little bit of a
health, but it's a really interesting
movie to watch post, like pandemic
Lockdown because watching everybody
kind of business as usual their way
through this catastrophic event.
And of course there's a little
bit less like, I mean the
pandemic had less zombies.
You didn't have to shoot anybody.
There were times where like, I remember
seeing like, images from protests in the
South where people's people trying to
like open businesses and stuff, and it
looked exactly like all of the people
on the, at the pub and Sean of the dead.
Will: It's also, well, sort
of pre-modern social media and
mobile phones and all this stuff.
So, and it the old British saying of
just he can't carry on is quite true.
And there's so many people, I guarantee
there was millions of people in this
fucking country that when it went
into lockdown, they're like, what?
What's going on?
Like, ' cause they're just not
paying attention to any of that.
Emily: Oh yeah.
Jeremy: anything, the pandemic
really convinced me that all of these
zombie movies were maybe optimistic.
Will: Yeah.
Ben: Yes,
Jeremy: it's like, oh no, if this, if
we have a zombie outbreak we're toast.
Like, there's no way this is
gonna get solved at 24 hours
or 48 hours or six months, or
before our extinction.
Um, yeah.
I, I also think it's interesting
you were talking, you were asking
about British ISS in there.
I do think like they handle a lot of the
British iss really well, and that there's
something about the cadence of like the
zombie movies and the characters that,
like, even when there are things that.
Might be specific to Britain.
There's still like, oh, like I
understand where that fits in.
Like the stepdad and his, like
ranting about how oh, they were
tested in the aisle of white.
Like, you know, he, he knows
what it's like to really get
out there and, and fight.
Like, I don't know, almost anything about
the aisle of white, but like I know enough
to like know what the cadence of that is.
Emily: Yeah.
Yeah.
The the, it's, it's a good.
Like a lot of the British, like the
other specific British details, I think
are all pretty like contextually clear.
Like, you know, when they talk about
Corno you know, you don't know what
a corno is, but then you see him eat
once, so then you know, you know it's
Will: It just so cracks me up that
after a night of drinking, like you
just fancy a corner shop ice cream.
Like, that's so, that's so on point of
like, just like
Ben: I, I, I've
Will: been
up all night, you're like,
what do you want for breakfast?
Like,
fucking corno mate.
Emily: Basically cereal.
It's frozen cereal.
Will: No, it's, it's, it's not, it's,
it's, it's literally just an ice cream
Emily: No, I know.
I'm just saying like, 'cause it, it
has all the same stuff as cereal.
It's just frozen.
Ben: my problem living in London for a bit
was every time I would have a Coronado,
I would just silent go to myself.
Yeah.
Like the movie.
Emily: I mean, I haven't been, I.
Since like 1990.
So I didn't have any idea of
the, you know, the power that
was in my hands at the time.
I was just like, look at these
crazy Rice Krispies boxes.
They're different.
Didn't have Cheerios
in England at the time.
But uh, yeah, if I,
Will: no Cheerio.
Emily: I didn't find it like I
Will: It's the most British
sounding name for a cereal ever.
Emily: I know, I know.
I couldn't find, we went, went all over
Europe and we didn't find any Cheerios.
It was just Rice Krispies and they all had
Will: Well, we like bland
things in this country.
Sadly, everything must be
droll and, and bland and gray.
Jeremy: What if in Britain Cheerios
were just called, what's up?
Like
Emily: that's really good, Jeremy.
That's really good.
Jeremy: I don't know.
Emily: That's funny shit.
Will: Now we, we have weer bits,
which is just, instead of all your
cereal separated into pieces of
cereal, it's one mega block of cereal
that you pour milk on, and then you
figure out how you'd like to eat that.
Emily: You have to like carve it like
Will: like
we like eating everything with a knife
and forks and you have that and then
you drink the milk as afterwards,
after it's portal through the fork.
Jeremy: Yeah, we have frosted wheat here.
That's basically the same thing.
Will: Oh, fro frosted though.
Whoa.
What
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: we, we had we took it and we were
like, what if we put sugar on that shit?
And then we were like, what if we
made it sugary and then we chopped
it up into a bunch of pieces.
So now we have frosted mini
wheats that still are, I
don't know, my wife eats them.
I, I still think they're nasty.
Emily: I love them.
I used to binge like
my summers in college.
Were staying up all night
binging anime and eating frosted
mini wheats outta the box.
And drinking Mountain Dew slushies.
And that's me baby.
Will: We do have Mountain Dew over here,
but it doesn't taste, I I, your version
of Mountain Dew is illegal in our country.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: As it
Emily: our guys, yeah,
Ben: I mean, what, what specifically
got it banned because it should,
it should be globally illegal.
Will: Well, there's so much chemicals
and pesticides that it's in American
food that England is, it's just
completely banned where it, that's why
a lot of people might think like, oh,
this food's so bland in your country.
It's like, yeah.
'cause it's not full of like all these
crazy ass chemicals that are like keeping
you addicted to the certain stuff.
But when it,
Jeremy: Mountain Dews
got that yellow five.
Don't nobody want the yellow five.
Emily: yeah.
Will: sure the
Ben: Oh, it's
all about
Will: Dew is whatever food
coloring is used is like
considered toxic and cancer causing
Jeremy: Yeah, if that's yellow five it.
Uh.
Supposedly makes people impotent,
but we keep reproducing.
So
Emily: it just, they said it lowers
your sperm count, but it's negligible.
Um,
Jeremy: unless you are constantly drinking
Mountain Dew as people who live in
the part of the country I live in Dew,
they, they're constantly doing the dew.
Um,
Emily: But I mean, the red 40 is a, I
think it's Red 40 Lake, which is the one
that's actually like really carcinogenic.
It's on all of our M and mss, so, um,
Jeremy: Yeah.
I mean,
Ben: Oh, good.
Now I have a new fear.
New fear.
Jeremy: well, across the board, British
candy is better than American Candy.
Uh, anything that has chocolate in it,
Ben: It's extremely true.
I.
Will: But even, even our Hershey's
products are made via like
the UK version of Hershey's.
So
Emily: oh yeah, that's
Will: all of like the is M and
mss, is that part of Hershey's?
Jeremy: uh, no.
M and Mss is m and m Mars.
Will: Mar.
Oh, that's it.
Yeah.
Our Mars chocolate.
So all of our like peanut M and MSM and M
and MSM are like 10 times better because
it's made with nicer chocolate and stuff.
Like when I first moved to the States with
my family, we were like, oh look, this is
the Engli, this is the American chocolate.
It's called Hershey's.
We were at like a bowling alley or
something like that and we're like, oh,
can we have some like, oh yeah, of course.
We all tried it and my dad
went, this tastes like dog shit.
Smells like we all thought it was
like the most disgusting thing.
And I think it's like a vice versa thing.
Like Americans come to England and they're
like, this food tastes like dog shit.
It's disgusting 'cause it's got
way less flavors than America does.
Emily: They haven't had the right bangers.
Mash though, like you go to, you go
to bri, you have some bangers in mash
Ben: Well, they
Will: de depends.
I mean like, look, all of
Ben: the secret of British
food, which is that you're not
supposed to eat any of it sober.
Will: But, uh, all these
American companies have been
coming to the UK recently.
And as someone who's grew up in America,
I was getting excited, like, even if they
are crap places like T g a, Fridays, et
cetera, I was like, all right, there's
not really a casual dining place you
can go out for that type of price
to go on a date with like in the uk.
So this is gonna be great besides
like Nandos or something like that.
And it's all just like, there's, I
feel like there's a guy in a meeting
whenever some American company's like,
right, we wanna make this in the uk.
And there's some English guy in there
that's like, yeah, forget every flavor.
Get rid all that.
Use a microwave to cook everything.
And you've gotta have an option that's
just garlic, bread covered and cheese.
So if like, like if they had, if we
had the Olive garden here, instead
of like those breadsticks, it
would be garlic, bread and cheese.
And uh, just, it just drives me nuts.
Like the oldest food is so terrible
and I dunno what happens when it comes
over here when people try and fix it.
And I'm not crapping on English food.
You go to London, you can eat the best
food you've ever eaten in your life.
Our Indian cuisine in England
is the best in the world.
It's so good.
But when it
comes to like
Ben: Indian and Turkish cuisine.
Will: yeah, uh, yeah, Turkish as well.
Absolutely.
And Greek.
But when it comes to like just bog
standard foods, it's just like,
especially all these American companies
that come here, like, you eat a ca ffc
or Burger King in this country, you'll
be like I don't know what this is.
Ben: My favorite was passing by
fried chicken places and seeing
them call it chicken American style.
Jeremy: I
Emily: very good.
Jeremy: when I was, uh, in Ireland, the,
the one thing that I would eat from the
McDonald's there is they do the standard
like chicken sandwich, but then they put
like the sweet chili sauce on everything,
and it's like, all right that's edible.
Will: yeah, there's curry sauce as well.
I miss Buffalo sauce so much.
I have to like buy like it,
buy like the barrel 'cause
it's the only size I can buy.
Like Frank's red hot sauce in uh,
and I made like classic buffalo or
it's my friends who're like, this
is the best thing I ever eaten.
I'm like, it's so easy.
Like why can't England do this?
Like, it's crazy to me.
Jeremy: The, the only stuff I really
got wistful for during my time there
was, uh, any sort of Mexican food.
Mexican food is sort of
right out in Britain.
And then like,
Will: we have Taco Bell
now, and it, it's not good.
Jeremy: yeah.
Um,
Ben: It's not good here
Emily: yeah.
it's not good
Ben: it's a, don't worry.
It's not, it's not supposed to be
Will: The, there's, yeah, but
it, it's, you know what you get
when you go to Taco Bell, right?
Uh, but in, in England's one it is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jeremy: that's what you get.
Will: But, uh, no.
There has been a few Mexican
restaurants that have been popping up
recently, so I'm excited about that.
We're just slow here.
There's too many people in
this country, just like chips.
You just want chips with
everything, any meal chips.
Jeremy: Yeah, the, the only other
thing I missed was peanut butter.
Can't get peanut butter anywhere.
Will: no, there's peanut butter.
My, my favorite brand of peanut butter
is Sun Pat, which is a UK brand.
And I had to, when we lived in America
for 13 years, I could only eat Sun pat.
So anytime a relative came to
visit, they'd open their suitcase
up, like the scene from taxi
driver full of guns, except it was
fricking like barrels of Sun Pet.
Jeremy: Wonderful.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We should, we should start, we
should start wrapping this up.
We usually ask, is this something
we recommend people, uh, watch?
Is this something they should check out?
Will.
Uh, you know, I guess
almost 20 years later.
Whew.
That hurt.
Do you think it's, uh, still
something everybody should check out?
Emily: Yes.
Will: I, I first re-watched it
after a good 10 or 12 years,
only about six months ago.
And I had a great time and I
forgot, like, man, I used to
love this film as a teenager.
And I just, as I said in the
beginning, all of just like the,
what's the word I'm looking for?
Just the stuff's happening that's gonna
be paid off later on, on repetition.
I'm not phrasing that very correctly, but.
It's just, uh, yeah, it's a great film,
a great zombie film made by people
that are fans of zombies clearly.
And that's, that's always
shows through the work.
Jeremy: Fantastic.
Uh, Ben, Emily, we still on the same page.
Emily: Oh yeah.
Ben: Oh my God, a thousand percent.
If, if it has not been clear in this
episode that my love for this film is
deep and eternal let me profess it now.
I fucking love Sean of the Dead.
I.
Jeremy: I, I feel like this is a
movie that people have been chasing
for, again, the last 20 years, and
nobody's, nobody's quite caught it yet.
There's been some, you
know, some decent takes.
I mean, like, thanks.
We were, we're fans of Vanity
Apocalypse, but that's a whole
different, that's a musical, that's a
Ben: That guy that's got a Christmas
and a musical that's, that's got
bells and whistles, and the bells and
whistles are covered in fireworks,
Emily: Yeah,
Jeremy: Yeah.
But yeah, I don't think anybody's quite
caught up with Shauna of the Dead even
Ben: I I am ready for Sean of the
Dead, the musical to hit Broadway.
Imagine that Winchester, imagine
that the set of the Winchester.
Emily: yeah.
Jeremy: Yeah, you don't need
many sets for this even.
So
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: there's some,
there's something there.
All right.
Uh, I guess that then brings us
to, uh, I mean, we've thrown a lot
out there already, but do we have
any recommendations for people
following up on Sean of the Dead?
Ben: Hot fuzz.
Emily: Yes.
Ben: Follow it up with the
watch the whole dang trilogy.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Hot Photos World's End then.
Uh, I know.
Will, you were saying Day
of the Dead is, is your
Will: Yeah, if you want a really
just good zombie movie, especially,
that's to do with social commentary,
which Georgia Romero does so well.
I recommend Day of the Dead.
It's such a good film.
It's like the first zombie
movie as well to first ever do.
The fact that if you get bitten and
you remove a limb, you might not
actually turn into a zombie, which
is a trope that's been done lots now,
but it was completely new at the time.
And also a banging soundtrack
to that fucking movie.
Oh my God, it's so good.
And it still is one of the best openings
and endings of a zombie movie ever.
I'm hyping up a bit.
Look it's a low budget movie.
A lot of people find
the acting questionable.
I really love it.
So I recommend that.
But if you want another lighthearted,
fun zombie movie, then I recommend Fido
because that is just a really fun and,
and unique zombie story, which is, my
peanut butter and jam, my son Pat and Jam.
Emily: Good.
I've talked about space
and all that kind of stuff.
If you like the Edgar Wright crew and
you wanna see some other stuff, they
also did this really weird almost
indistinguishable from the material that
is spoofing a series called Look Around
You, which is like basically a very dry
parody of British educational films.
It's hard to find on YouTube, but I think
there, there's a D V D of A out there.
I don't know if it's streaming anywhere.
But when it comes to zombies,
there are two things that I
absolutely have to recommend.
One is a video game that is
underrated called Stuss The Zombie.
Will: Oh yeah.
Great game.
Emily: Yeah.
And that was one where you actually,
you're, you are the zombie and you're
in sort of a you're you're in fallout,
but it's like just full comedy.
You do have to do a
Will: there's a re-release on the switch
as well, so you can play it on there.
Yeah.
Emily: Yeah.
I, I just watched like my, I watched
my friends play it on Xbox, which
is, you know, just tells you it
was around the same time that I
was watching Sean on the Dead.
And if you like comedy zombie movies
with a really awesome musical angle
check out Wild Zero which is a Japanese
zombie movie with, uh, if you find a
right version built-in drinking game.
And really does a lot better
with the trans issues.
And that one.
So, check out Wild Zero
if you can find it.
It is an experience.
Jeremy: Somewhat astonishing to me that
we haven't made it around to that yet.
Emily: Oh, I was, it was my second choice.
I think it's gonna be next year's
birthday movie for me 'cause
we've already chosen this one.
But next I'm getting there Unless
someone else chooses it, which I'm fine.
Please, if you're out
there, review it with us.
Jeremy: Uh, Ben, did you
have a recommendation?
want you
Ben: Uh, I recommended, uh, hot Fuzz and
Jeremy: Oh yeah.
Ben: End.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Hot F's World's End.
Uh, yeah, I feel like there were a lot
of, there were a lot of movies that tried
to do what Sha of the Dead was doing.
There's a lot of zombie lands and
none of them quite live up to,
Will: I don't think
Zombieland holds up at all.
I don't know if you've read what Talk
about if you think Sean the Dead is
problematic for the time it came out,
and then yeah, watch out for Zombieland.
Ben: Oh
Jeremy: yeah.
I, I would not
Ben: since I revisited it.
Jeremy: I would not recommend
that, especially when there are
so many, uh, better ones to watch.
You know, I I like Day
of the Dead personally.
Uh, Dawn of the Dead is my,
my favorite of the Romero ones
obviously Do the Romero one, not,
I think it's been remade twice now.
Right.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: certainly don't watch the,
well, I mean if you wanna watch Zack
Snyder one more power to you, but, you
Will: There's even more Day of the
Dead remakes, even though they have
nothing to do with the original.
And there's a new Day of the Dead TV
show on sci-fi that came out as well.
That also has nothing to do with it.
They're just taking the name and
just doing whatever they want.
I.
Jeremy: yeah.
Down to the dead.
It's, I mean, it's about the cast for me.
'cause you have, you know, Ken Re and
all of these people in there who are
doing extraordinary work in there.
I mean, it's still, I think neither
of the Living Dead has a, a lot
of, I it's really, it's really
good, really well structured and
made on like a shoestring budget.
But Donna, the debt is right in there
with, it has a little more to say.
I think eventually.
Will: the flyboy zombie in that to me is
still, I think, is one of the scariest
looking zombies when that elevator
opens and he's there all green, like,
and with the blood dripping down him
and the way he walks, it's like the
best zombie acting I've ever seen.
The way he moves, like with the gun, like
still spinning like on his finger, even
though he is like just moving around.
I, I love that so much.
Emily: I saw that movie.
I was at a convention and it
was on a laptop and it was
in the middle of the night.
So I think it's very good.
Uh, it's a pretty good venue
for that, although it is a
little bit difficult to recall.
But I remember really liking the
atmospheric, uh, of quality of that movie.
So,
Will: Have any of you guys seen
the nineties remake of Night
Living Dead Made by Tom Sini?
Ben: I have not.
Jeremy: I know I have, I do
not remember almost any of it.
Emily: And is that, what, is that
the one with Dan o' Bannon or No,
I'm thinking of a different one.
Will: Dan o Bannon, who's that?
Emily: He's the one who
was, who worked on Alien.
He's a writer.
Yeah.
Will: maybe, I'm not sure.
But basically they asked for Amer to
remake the film and he's like, no, I don't
wanna do that, but Tom Sini will do it.
Maybe you know who Tom Sini is?
He's the special effects guru
that's been a part of, you know, he
basically created Jason from Friday
13th and this, that and the other.
And he is just, he's a
personal hero of mine.
I think Tom Sini ISS awesome.
But yeah, I'd recommend that film as well.
That that's, that's good fun.
Jeremy: awesome.
Yeah.
Definitely worth checking out.
Emily: Oh, that's a different one.
That's a different one.
So yeah the night of the nineties one
is a different one that I'm thinking of.
Yes.
But yeah, it's good.
Has Tony Todd?
Jeremy: everybody loves a Tony Todd.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: Yeah.
All right.
Uh, that, that does it for us.
Uh, will, do you wanna, uh, give
the rundown of your Kickstarter
again and, um, make sure people
know where to find you there?
Will: Absolutely.
So, as of this, if you're listening to
this, that means that the Kickstarter
is out and it's called Outbreaks.
I'm sure the link will be
in the description of this.
If you'd like to just try it out and read
a story for free on my website, speech
comics.com and that's speech comics.com.
You can read, read six pages of
the book for absolutely free.
A story written, drawn,
lettered colored by me.
That's a sort of like a dead
devilish noir zombie superhero.
Sin City Blend makes no sense that
those all go together, but it works.
So if you wanna try it out
there, you can do that.
Uh, you can also check me out on any
of my social media at Robson, Inc.
And that's r o b ss o n i n k.
And you can sort of see what I'm up to,
whether I'm writing a drawing, something.
Currently I'm working on how the
duck for Marvel comics, so you could
see me posting pictures of that.
And also check out my podcast, Batman,
the Animated Series podcast, where me
and my brother interview actors and
creators of that show and make very, very
silly videos on uh, what's it called?
My brother does it.
What's the popular thing?
Kids like TikTok.
That's it.
Emily: TikTok.
Yeah.
Will: He's all about that.
I just go on the show.
Yeah, I've got a million things going on.
Also got a zooop, Gigi, I'm
launching a horror book there.
I had a book that was canceled by I d
w, sadly, a creator own book, but I'm
trying to get it crowdfunded through this.
So lots going on with me, so
if you could check it out in
any capacity, much appreciated.
Emily: I have checked out that,
uh, the Kickstarter page and the
panel where you have the Mare Z.
Will: Yes.
Emily: Very good.
Will: Thank you very much.
Emily: Very good.
Will: I appreciate that.
Jeremy: All right.
And, uh, well, we're at it.
Emily, do you wanna let people know
where they can, uh, find you online?
Emily: I am Megan Moth on a lot of
things in, uh, including Blue Sky, and
I'm still kicking around on Twitter.
You know, I'll be there when it
goes belly up when it goes twits up.
And I'm on Patreon and Mega Moth
and also Instagram Mega Moth.
And, uh, various mega moth.net.
It's dot com.
Jeremy: Awesome.
And, uh, what about you, Ben?
Ben: Uh, yes, uh, you can always find
me@penconcomics.com where you can
sign up for my upcoming newsletter
and check out some of my upcoming
work, like, heavenly Blues is Getting
a Bookstore re-released, and of
course, l Campbell wins their weekend.
My pros debut from Scholastic
is out October 17th.
Find me on Twitter at Ben the Conn
and on Blue Sky at Ben Kahn writes.
Jeremy: Awesome.
As always, you can find me on Twitter
and Instagram at Jro five eight and on
Blue Sky and Tumblr at Jeremy Whitley.
And I am@jeremywhitley.com where
you can go pick up a copy of the Dog
Night right now, which is out with,
uh, me and my artist, Bri Indigo.
You can also pre-order school for
Extraterrestrial Girls Volume two,
which I do with, uh, Jamie Nucci.
And we, uh, have recently, I guess
it's, they just sent me the stuff
for preview, so it'll probably be
out around the time this comes out.
The order will go up for, uh, the se the
book I'm doing with Titan, which is called
The Cold Ever After, which is, uh, sort
of, uh, Arthurian noir queer horror thing.
It's a little bit of everything.
And that one's, uh, with my, uh, my
friend Megan Wong, who's drawing that
one who, and of course, the podcast.
You can find us on Twitter
at Prague Horror Pod.
And you can find us at progressively
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And, uh, we would love to hear from you.
We'd love to hear what
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We would also, I'd love you
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And it helps other people find it,
it really does, giving a good review.
It makes it pop up more places.
Thanks again to Will for joining us.
Will, this was a, a treat.
I haven't revisited this one in a
while, and it's a, it's a favorite.
Will: Thank you so much for having me
Emily: Thank you for joining us.
Yeah,
Ben: Thank you so much for coming on.
This was wonderful.
Will: no worries at all.
I had a great time.
Emily: excellent.
Jeremy: And, uh, definitely go
check out Will's, Kickstarter.
And thanks to all of you for listening.
Thanks to Ben and Emily
for being here with me.
And until next time, stay horrified.