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Todd Tomlin: You can give a couple
of hundred dollars, and that's the
travel component of the incentive.
It doesn't have to be buying an entire
trip for the individual recipient.
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Brandon Giella: Hello, and
welcome back to another episode
of Travel Buddy by Switchfly.
Today, we have a special guest,
Todd Tomlin, who is the founder
of Mimori and the president of the
ITC, and we also have a recurring
guest back again, Ashley Martinez.
Thank you for joining.
Ashley, tell us a little bit about Todd
and how he's gonna help us understand
the evolution of travel as an incentive.
So how did you come to know Todd?
And then Todd, I'd love to hear a
little bit about your, your background
you can share with our listeners.
Ashley Martinez: Thanks, Brandon.
Well, I am so excited to
have Todd on the show today.
Todd and I connected through the
IMA, which is the Incentive Marketing
Association, and Todd and I both serve
on the ITC, which is the Incentive Travel
Council board, Todd as acting president,
and I lead overseeing membership.
But Todd has an extensive background
in travel from his days at Expedia
all the way to founding Memori.
I have a personalâ¦
as a travel agent myself, I really
appreciate all of the work that Todd's
doing and the business that he's
built and, and how he's brought it
into the incentive industry, to drive
loyalty within different programs.
So, so excited for this conversation.
we're lucky to have Todd here.
Brandon Giella: thanks so much for
Todd Tomlin: Thanks, Ashley
Brandon Giella: tell us a
little bit about yourself.
What's your background?
Todd Tomlin: yeah
Brandon Giella: have,
traveled four million miles.
isâ¦
Tell, tell us all about that.
I'm so
Todd Tomlin: Actually, there, there
should be more than four million because
I was gonna start by saying my travel
began when, before I was even born in
my mother's womb, and that's because
she was a Delta flight attendant.
So, like, literally, I was already flying
around the world, before being born.
I don't count those miles though.
But, yeah, I've, I've traveled
over 55 different countries.
I was a digital nomad for about
five years before it was cool.
so yeah, bebopping all around the world.
And, you know, back in the day, I, I
would also do all the crazy mileage runs.
I've been to Hong Kong for,
like, five hours and then just
got on the plane and went back.
I've been to Sydney, for, like, 12 hours
just to get my status up on a, an airline.
but that's on the personal note.
but beyond that, you know, I've
been almost 20 years in travel
and hospitality, working for Hyatt
Hotels, both in operations and
their loyalty programs and payments,
and then, at Expedia, Hotels.com,
in their loyalty and payments division,
and did consulting for many years,
in payments for travel companies,
and now have started my own, UltraLux
Travel Company, and we've been
in business about two years now.
Brandon Giella: Awesome.
Todd Tomlin: then as Ashley, as
Ashley touched on, I am president
of the Incentive Travel Council,
which I'm, I'm more than happy to
share more details on that as well.
Brandon Giella: That's awesome.
That's awesome.
Yeah, and so you're referring to
your, your newest venture is Memori.
Can you tell us a little bit about that?
What is that for you, and,
and why did you start that?
Why, why bother with that?
Todd Tomlin: Well, I actually had
started a fintech company for a couple
of years and, while it was going
really well, I found that, you know, my
passion has always been travel, and I
wanted to start my own business there.
And I really do believe that lives
can transform through travel and,
you know, we really-- that's kind
of our underlying ethos at Mamori.
Mamori is actually a Japanese
word that means creating, lasting
memories from fleeting moments.
And what we do at Mamori, we're a
B2B2C, business primarily, where
we are curating and aggregating the
very best in ultra-luxe travel, be
it multi-day journeys, epic train
adventures, ultra-luxe travel with
cruises and yacht charters, really
high-end homes, private islands,
private villas, safaris, you name it.
We can even take you to the
moon, or not to the moon exactly.
We can take you to the International
Space Station, if you wanna go hang
out there for a couple of days.
So, yeah, we're, we're really curating all
of this, and then what we do is we provide
it to our biz-business partners, so that
it's essentially, curating these things
for the companies that have relationships
with the world's top travelers.
So, you know, think, top-level
CEOs, high-net-worth individuals,
that really have done everything,
and how do you impress them?
you, you utilize the, the backbone
of what we're providing at Mamori
and, put it into your, your catalogs
for loyalty, employee engagement,
incentive programs, and the like.
Brandon Giella: Amazing.
Amazing.
I'm so glad we're meeting because that
sounds, the, the profile you described
sounds so similar to my basic economy
with two toddlers travel, options that
Todd Tomlin: Yes.
Brandon Giella: now.
So yeah, it sounds exactly the same.
I could send my, my daughter up to
the International Space Station,
see how she finds it up there.
That'd be great.
That sounds so cool.
I, I, yeah, I would love to hear more
about these trips, but we'll, we'll
carry on with our, our topic for now.
so I think to summarize, you have
tons and tons of experience in the
travel world, particularly as it
relates of how people are traveling
on, especially as individuals, what
they're booking, what they're looking
for, what personalization means, how you
curate trips, how you provide choice to
them, and the kind of trade-offs that
you might, t- have there with your,
your, kind of programs that you run.
And so I'd love to hear just kind of
like generally speaking, what are some
trends that you've seen with the kind of
travel that you've seen, folks wanting
to book, particularly as it relates to
how you personalize, trips and programs
for them or, how they, you know, just
different things that you're looking for.
So like the, the curation, what is the
demand for things that people are looking
for when they're booking travel nowadays?
Todd Tomlin: Sure.
So, I do have to preface by saying,
you know, our clientele sits at
about a $10,000 per person for a
week, of travel, excluding flights.
So we're finding that that demographic
sits primarily above age 50.
they might be semi-retired or
retired, and oftentimes their kids
are already, you know, out of,
university really potentially as well.
And at that level of, the traveling
consumer, they have been traveling
for their lives for decades, and they
have done a lot of business trips.
They had to manage all their-- the trips
for the kids for, you know, 15, 18,
20 years, and now they wanna have fun.
But unless they're a subset who loves
to do all the planning themselves,
they want it all taken care of.
They want to simply choose the
destination, customize some components
of it, but really from the point that
they leave home to the point they
return, they just want it taken care of.
and it's, it's really getting to the
point, and this is why we're, we're
really excelling, is that, you know,
we, we take care of everything for them.
It's not a matter of, oh, which hotel
do you wanna select and, you know,
what ground transportation do you need,
and, what activities do you wanna do?
It's more like, here
is what we're offering.
Do you like it?
Great.
What are the few things
you wanna customize?
And we just go off and book it for them.
and so, you know, it's, it's a-- it
cuts down on a lot of the friction of
back and forth communication, having
to get approval from clients for
every little thing that they wanna
do and, makes it much more efficient.
Everyone is happy at the end,
and essentially they just have
to show up and enjoy themselves.
Brandon Giella: That sounds great.
I, I wanna go on this trip.
That sounds really awesome.
I love that.
Ashley, do you have experience
with this kind of, you know,
segment in the, the, the travel
market and things that you've seen?
Any kind of, like, trends?
I guess you, can you corroborate what
Todd is saying with the, the way that
he sees, you know, his clients wanting
to book travel and thinking about that
Ashley Martinez: Absolutely.
I think for Switchfly, it's also a
focus to, on this seg- segment of the
industry or, or this audience as well.
If you think about from an
incentive perspective, how are you
focusing on your top performers?
Or maybe it's a financial service
program, how are you focusing
on your top cardholders, right?
And they wantâ¦
And they're looking for these ex- types
of experiences, as Todd's explaining,
more exclusive, personalized, high touch,
concierge, maybe getting something that
I can't book somewhere else, right?
And so I think there's, from a Switchfly
perspective and also personally what,
what I've seen in the industry, is a
focus on this segment of, of travelers.
Now, similarities of personalization,
although this, we're speaking about
one specific demographic and audience
and, and maybe one price point, but the
idea of personalization is something
that I think is consistent across all
travelers and a trend that we're seeing,
even more so than we have in the past.
You know, trips or if you think about
reward trips used to be, "Oh, a trip to
Hawaii," "A j- a trip to Vegas," right?
And that was the standard.
And now I think travelers are
looking for something more custom.
"What, what fits me?"
and that might, you know, it's not one
size fits all, which, which we know.
So I think the industry is now starting
to, reciprocate to that or understand
that there's a definitely an idea
about trying, you know, choice.
And as, Todd said, there,
there is a de- delicate balance
between choice and curation.
You want to be able to offer choice,
but also, and expand where the, the
options for travelers, but withoutâ¦
but still keeping it curated
and, and within a subset.
So I think we're seeing, you know,
even though we're speaking about one
audience, that trend a- across the board.
Brandon Giella: Yeah.
Yeah, I'm curious if, if you
guys are seeing l- almost likeâ¦
So you got like that very top end on the
luxury, demographic, if you will, Todd.
Like, but are you seeing that
kind of the elements of luxury
come down into the market as well?
Like thinking about premium
cards or the way people are
thinking about travel in general.
It seems like a lot of people want more
personalization, which of course is
more expensive or, you, you know, more
of getting into that luxury market.
But do you see that, that, kinda your
average travel, you know, or, or trip
kind of going upmarket in some of the
things that you're doing in the high-end
luxury coming down to, to kinda meet them?
Do you see any- anything
like that in your world?
Todd Tomlin: Can't really say that
I do, just because we, we don't
really sit at that demographic.
I don't know if, if Ashley
may have any insights there
Ashley Martinez: I'd say now with
the exposure, of course, and the rise
of social media, there are so many
aspirational trips out there, and I
think the way travelers are changing
is maybe on one specific night of
their trip, or maybe they splurge on
something really high-end and luxury.
Maybe not the whole trip, but, but I think
the real readout that I've seen is the
focus on experiences over, And that may be
to, achieve maybe our luxury or high-end.
Maybe the traveler has, instead of
traveling for a week, maybe they're
only going five days, and they're
adjusting their budget to be able
to achieve these types of trips.
So I think there are
concessions people are making.
I think theâ¦
Not that the availability is widespread,
but the aspirational, the content.
People are, you know, the chance
now that we even know that there's
a chance to go to the Space Center,
I mean, how inspiring is that?
I, I think there, it's becoming
more accessible in that regard.
So I, I, I do think people are,
are changing to try to move
upstream and, and do what they can.
that's kind of what I'm seeing from
on a, on a leisure travel perspective.
Todd Tomlin: I, I, if I could add,
I think there's also, I would say
bifurcation, but it's, it's actually
like draft segmentation on the fact
that, you know, you have consumers
that want to lean into whatever they
see on Instagram, and they want to be
there, and they wanna experience it.
But I mean, I'm, I'm sure you've
seen the funny memes where it's
like Instagram versus reality, and
oftentimes the reality is like wah-wah.
Brandon Giella: Yes, yes
Todd Tomlin: so, so, you know, you have
the market segment that is chasing that,
but you have the complete opposite where,
a big trend now is like how remote and
how unof- like how offline can it be?
Like, how can I be the onlyâ¦
I was-- So I, I live in Cape Town, and
I ran around Lion's Head this morning,
and I was the only one on the road at
6:00 AM, and I never saw another person.
And like summer season, height of the
season here, it's gonna be packed.
And I was like, "I have
this whole road to myself.
This is incredible."
And so like taking that type
of feeling, And it's very hard
to find, but, you know, that's,
that's where it does come to travel
curation and being able to call out.
And as Ashley said, you know, even
if it's one day out of the five
days that, that you get to have
this like incredible personalâ¦
And personal is, we talk about
luxury travel, but like something
that personal and bespoke and just
awe-inspiring can be luxury, the fact
that, that you got to do it on your own
Brandon Giella: That's, that's interesting
that you, you, you called out the meme
and related it to that, 'cause that--
what, what goes on in my head is I've
seen those videos where somebody travels
to Santorini, for example, and they show
this incredible view, and then they pan
over to the reality and there's like
just throngs of people, just people
everywhere, and they can barely get by,
just like crowds and crowds and crowds.
same thing when you see like in Rome by
the Trevi Fountain or something like that.
Like, there's just crowds of people.
And so what, what I'm hearing
is what's actually becoming a
luxury is truly getting away.
Like I'm, I'm doing this thing
that actually does have the vantage
point of being kind of on my own.
Like I am here by myself with my family,
but it's like it's really just us,
and we're being catered to just us.
No, no other crowds, but not the
tourist trap, that kind of thing.
Is thatâ¦
I summarize that correctly?
Yeah.
Todd Tomlin: You did.
And I mean, it's going to take, you
know, it's different personality types
that enjoy these types of things.
But I mean, I take, for instance, I
was in, PoznaÅ, Poland, last year,
and here I am 48 years old, and I've
never heard of this place, and I am
gobsmacked with how gorgeous it is.
And I think it's, it's like findingâ¦
If you're one of those that likes to
buck the trends, like don't go to all
the places everyone else is going to.
And if you really, I would say get
off the beaten path, but it's, it's
more just find places that are not
within the, you know, zeitgeist of
the day, and you'll end up finding
like really, really incredible places.
Brandon Giella: Yeah, yeah
Ashley Martinez: I saw a quote this week,
or I had a client that shared a, a quote
with me that said, "The itinerary is you."
And I had just planned this
incredible polar bear excursion
trip, for these clients.
They went t- to Canada, N- northern
Canada to see the polar bears, and
they were in a very remote area.
and they said the best day was
just being able to absolutely
disconnect and focus on themselves.
And so that's where she kinda came up with
this idea of like, the itinerary was me.
You know, focusingâ¦
Sometimes travel is just,
is focusing on yourself.
So it's, maybe it's not the actual
destination, or the place that you're
in, but it's the experience you're
having, you know, on that trip.
It, you know, of course, bringing
it back to it's the journey, right?
But I do think the focus sometimes
shifts away from the actual place.
So again, bringing it back to maybe it's
not Hawaii or Vegas, but maybe it's, you
can get that same feeling somewhere else
or people are looking for, you know, that
experience that you feel while traveling.
you know, that can be achieved in many
places, not just those standard or typical
travel, destinations that we think of
Brandon Giella: Amen.
Amen.
I like to go to Kentucky.
It's beautiful, and I feel like nobody
else is there and I just get this, like,
quiet, remote place in Kentucky, you know?
Anyway, how do you guys, how do you guys
see this in, the incentive travel world?
So, like, you guys obviously have,
have clients that are booking these,
these really amazing trips, but are
you seeing the same kind of trends on
the incentive side, especially when
you're talking to employers or, you
know, some of the other work that you
guys are doing, both in your fields?
Todd, I'll, I'll you first.
What do you think?
Todd Tomlin: Yeah.
So, for this question, I'm gonna put more
of my Incentive Travel Council hat on.
so, you know, what weâ¦
So we're a trade organization, that
focuses on, promoting individual incentive
travel, within corporations, etc.,
to be able to help push
their business, goals.
And so what we're finding, there was
a Incentive Research Foundation study
that was done, last year, and it said
that of all program participants that
could receive a type of travel forâ¦
Well, of all of their different
motivational levers, what would
motivate them the most to take action
of what they're being requested to do?
And individual incentive travel was the
number one ranked, item 71% of respondents
wanted an individual trip for themselves.
Now, group travel historically
and continues to be the lion's
share of incentive travel.
but, you know, when you have program
participants or respondents saying that
they would much rather be on an individual
experience, then I think that's showing
where potentially the trends are going.
And, you know, we had talked about
personalization, and that is personal.
That's, you know, a company saying that,
"I want you to take this action," or,
"You have achieved some result, and as
a result of that, we're gonna reward
you by something that's personal to
you and something meaningful to you."
I don't know that this has to be on every
single time that a reward is being, given.
you know, as we've been sharing
this stat over the past year, we, we
get good feedback from constituents
and, other companies and programs
and, you know, someone even made
the suggestion it just shows that
maybe programs need to do half/half.
Like one year everybody gets an
individual incentive trip, and the next
year everybody gets a group trip, where
it's the entire company, you know,
president's circle type thing going away.
but starting to bring variety, so
that, you know, you can, kind of make
everyone happy at the end of the day.
'Cause sometimes the CEO wants to stand
in front of everyone and, you know, give a
rah-rah speech of how great everybody is.
but then when you can personalize it
and the program participant can choose
who they want to go with, where they
want to go, even if it's a curated
selection, maybe it's we have three
to five trips that you can choose
from 'cause it helps contain budget.
and even that, at least the program
participant gets to choose skiing vs beach
vs city, vs hiking, and that's what's
going to help them endear themselves
to the program even more because it's
so much more meaningful and personal
and creates better memories, when
you're, you're giving them that choice.
Brandon Giella: Amen.
I've been on one of those
President's Circle trips to
Mexico, and it was wonderful.
Yeah, we getâ¦
But we each got to choose a little
excursion that we wanted to go on
for the day, and it was the best.
Yeah, I love it.
Ashley, what about you?
Are you seeing the same kind of, same kind
of data, if you will, in your practices?
Ashley Martinez: Yeah, and I, I
think that, that's a great example.
I mean, the, the industry has
been dominated historically by,
or the landscape of incentive
travel has been group travel.
So just like you said, Brandon, a,
you know, a group trip to Mexico.
But what if, you know, there's a employee
or a cardholder that, these types of,
incentive programs, maybe they don't
wanna travel with their fellow colleagues
or, and, maybe, you know, they spend so
much time at work with their colleagues,
maybe they just wanna go on a personal
trip with their, with their spouse or
their, or partner or, or their family.
So I think, as Todd mentioned, there's
a, a place for everything in the, in the
landscape, you know, or the marketplace or
the options, just like there is an, a time
and place for gift cards or merchandise.
I mean, I think travel, as we all
know, holds a really, not only is
it aspirational, inspirational,
but drives a ton of engagement.
I think there's a really strong
place for individual incentives,
incentive travel, and that's, you
know, where I think we're seeing that,
personalization can be achieved truly
through individual incentive travel.
But of course, there is a time and,
and place for groups, but I think
the industry is now realizing, and
we're seeing a lot of adoption.
So as Todd mentioned how Memori has been
so successful, Switchfly has been able to
really, tap into that market and b- be an
option for individual incentive travel.
'cause again, it's not one size fits
all, and so I, I think that that
trend is consistent and we're really
seeing that grow within the industry.
Brandon Giella: Mm-hmm.
Todd Tomlin: If I, if I could add
to that, what-- now that weâ¦
So the Incentive Travel Council, is
actually a reconstitution of a much
longer, time in the market, and we
restarted it about a year and a half ago.
And in doing so, we, we took a
look and said, like, "What does the
industry need in terms of voice?"
And we found that individual incentive
travel needed a voice because,
there's other organizations out there.
SITE is one that really has a wonderful
voice and advocacy for group travel,
and so that's why we started the
ITC back and, took this mission on.
But what I wanted to say is that now what
we've been able to do is meld and really
discover that travel historically has been
in the mindset of program managers or,
corporations who are funding travel, etc.
Like, it sits at this certain
price point that unless we have
the budget for that, then, we have
to take travel off the, the table.
It needs to be gift cards, merchandise,
some type of cash incentive.
But now that individual incentive
travel is really coming into its own,
there's so many different products out
there that allow even a small budget.
Like, there's different form factors
within individual incentive travel.
So you wanna give a hotels.com
or Delta gift card or a Virgin
Experiences gift, you can give a couple
of hundred dollars, and that's the
travel component of the incentive.
It doesn't have to be buying an entire
trip for the individual recipient.
there's individual certificates for
cruises and all-inclusive resorts and, I
mean, everything that Switchfly does is,
you know, variable potentially within the
program catalogs that they operate in.
Maybe the program participant doesn't
have enough miles or points to achieve
the entire travel experience they want.
Well, some programs offer cash plus
points, so then, you know, the program
participant can give in to their own,
support of the, the experience as well.
So yeah, historically, I, I really
do think that programs thought that
they had to pay for the whole trip
and arrange all the flights and the
hotels and the grounds transportation
and all the logistics, but it allows
the program participant often to take
on a lot of that themselves and, yeah,
again, bring it into any price point.
Brandon Giella: It sounds like-- I
was gonna ask a question about, what
you're seeing in the kind of the
future of this, travel market, and it
sounds like if I could summarize it
in such a way is it's becoming more
flexible, granular, maybe fungible.
We put the fun in fungible, and it's
like you can, you can kinda slice and
dice how you wanna set up the, the
travel experience, and people can,
like you said, contribute to it if
they want or expand on it in this way.
Or maybe they just want a gift card
'cause they wanna use it how they want,
or they asked, you know, their friends
and family for Delta gift cards for
Christmas, and now you're adding one to
it, and they get to use it how they want.
So it'sâ¦
Is that, is that a fair, maybe
trajectory of where you're seeing travel
going in the next five years or so?
Todd Tomlin: I would say so.
It's, yeah, making it to where, I
mean, personalization we've already
spoken about, but you know, where
there's components that can plug in
that really make you feel like you
were able to, to make it your own.
I mean, even at Memori, while we have
curated experiences that, we provide
to our partners, once the program
participant is actually going through
that booking, if they wanna upgrade
the experience or they wanna add
additional nights or people, etc.,
all that is possible.
you know, the program paid a specific
amount, for them to be able to have the
experience, but it's well communicated
that, you know, they can make changes that
are meaningful to them because sometimes
people do wanna travel during the
Christmas holidays, and they understand
that that comes at a premium, but the
program didn't pay for that premium spot.
but that's when the program participant
wants to go, so, like they'll pay for it.
so yeah, really just creating a
personalized level of what the needs
of the individual traveler are.
And I think that's, you know, there's
needs versus wants and oftentimes,
like if you have a family of four, you
can't get a, you know, mom and dad is
going off, like maybe the kids just
won't understand and you wanna be like,
"No, I wanna bring my kids with me.
I need to bring my kids with me."
so and yeah, to, to have restrictions
where it's like, "Nope, only you
and one other person," that actually
could be a deterrent to the program.
It could upset the program
participant that why can't I do
what I want for me and my family?
Brandon Giella: Yeah, it's almost like
you're offering this travel, but if I
can't make it to where it fits within
my family or my personal needs or
wants, it's like I don't even want it.
You might as well not have
offered it to me almost.
Todd Tomlin: Exactly
Brandon Giella: That's interesting.
Ashley, how about in your, in your world?
I know you kinda span
different, of the travel world.
are you seeing that, like, on
the data side with Switchfly,
on your own, you know, travel
advisory or your work with IMA?
Like, how do you, how do you kinda see
the next five years taking shape for you?
Ashley Martinez: Yeah, Todd, I'm so glad
you highlighted that flexibility in terms
of the, the ability to maybe fund the trip
on your own or pay with points plus cash
or miles or, make, you know, an add-on.
I, I think those types of, We,
in our, in our s- platform, we've
enabled, you know, mult- flexible
payment options, buy now, pay later.
Anything, again, that kind of goes back
to what I was saying to, to make it
accessible and make it ach- achievable.
I, I really think that,
is where the are going.
the growth of accessibility in
travel and, and also flexibility.
like I said, I think tr- travel
trends that we're seeing, people
are adjusting their itineraries,
to be experience-focused.
So if you think about what we've seen
in 2026, it was kind of branded the,
the year of sports travel, right?
With the World Cup.
We had the Winter, Olympics in, in
I think people are leading with the
experience that they want to have.
So what do I wanna get?
I, you know, maybe I wanna
see a sporting event.
Maybe I wanna be remote.
Like, how do I want to feel on that trip?
And then everything's coming after.
My inspiration journey is changing.
but and I do think, the focus of
the trip, so maybe it's, it's not,
again, the destination itself, but
how do I wanna feel on the trip?
Or I know I wanna go s- watch a match.
My n- you know, my favorite sporting team.
I don't care where it is, but I,
you know, I wanna see that event.
So I think theâ¦
how travelers are planning their trips
are more f- experiential focused on how
they wanna feel, what they wanna see, and
then they are also making, concessions
or adjustments to prioritize that.
So if I want that high-end luxury
experience, I'm gonna prioritize that
and, and maybe, you know, maybe I'm, I'm
not flying business or first class, but I
really want to stay at a very nice hotel.
I, you know, I think it, it's
the prioritization of that.
So those are just some
general trends I'm seeing.
Todd, I do have two questions for you.
One, what is your most or I
guess most popular experience?
And two, if you're a four
h- million-miler, who's your
loyalty-- who are you loyal to?
Who's your airline?
Todd Tomlin: so I'll go with
the first question first.
I mean, I, I would say as much as
we do punch above our weight and
have this halo effect of like super
incredible experiences, we can't
help the fact that our clients
just keep coming back to cruising.
I mean, it-- Yes, I mean, you
know, it's, it's very repeatable.
again, I, I was kind of sharing what
our demographic was earlier, and they
just, they keep coming back to cruising,
and it's, it's all these different
destinations and, you know, not having to
unpack but once and, all the differentâ¦
W-what's really fueling it, to be honest
though, is, is the advent of like so many
more luxury, ultra-luxury, brands coming
online and really taking it up a notch.
And I mean, you, you have Michelin
star quality dining on the sea and, you
know, ships that have all ocean access.
There's no interior cabins.
I mean, there's-- I could continue
to list, but, yeah, we do find that
that's, that's kind of number one.
And it-it's also wrapping in the personal
interest of, you know, be it golf or food
and wine or some type of entertainment
or sports, like you can combine all
of that within a cruise experience.
So, but the, it's also, as
I said, the price point.
I mean, it still sits there at a higher
price point for the, the clientele
that we, we facilitate that for.
Brandon Giella: Yeah, I've seen a
lot of people do, take on the, the,
the Viking cruises, for example.
You know, these are
very, very nice cruises.
Everything's kinda handled for you.
But I know folks that have been on 10
Viking cruises 'cause they just love
the whole experience, and you get to
see so much of the world and, and so on.
So that's interesting you say that.
Todd Tomlin: I forget the stats, but
the growth of the cruise industry over
the next five years is just crazy.
Brandon Giella: Fascinating.
Hmm
Todd Tomlin: and my loyalty,
does-- I f- I found that you pay
for what you need at the time.
yeah, I don't, don't
stick to any one alliance.
Ashley Martinez: Interesting.
Interesting
Brandon Giella: Todd, I wanted to
ask one final question for you.
We've talked a lot about how rewarding
travel can be, and I wanted you
to have the final word on what has
travel meant to you all these years?
Like, why are you devoting your career,
almost your personal and professional life
to this facet of our lives on this planet?
Why do you care so much about travel?
Todd Tomlin: That's a, a really great
question, because it really opens your
eyes to how incredible humanity is and
how same but different we are, and it
allows you to realize everything that
you might have learned when you were
younger is maybe completely false or
what, what you hear from, news media
and otherwise is actually not true.
because when you are in the destination
and you're experiencing something
completely opposite of what you
were always told, learned, or read
about, and realizing that I'm safe,
this is a fun experience, I'm in no
danger, these people are incredible.
Why did I ever think that they wouldâ¦
I would be scared of these
people or this place?
I mean, it, it really just allows
you to, to open your eyes to what's,
what's actually happening, that
we're all connected and we'reâ¦
I, I always like to say, you
know, we all put our, pants on
one leg at a time, pretty much.
and yeah.
So I, I mean, I, as a digital nomad, I, I
lived in five years in, like, 25 different
countries, and just to be able to see the
sea of humanity was absolutely amazing.
But that sounds incredible, but
it's also important to be rooted.
And so I've been in Cape Town
for five years and, yeah, I'm,
I'm very thankful for more the
consistency of being at home as well.
And so it's, it's great to have a
home and then travel when you want to.
Brandon Giella: I love it.
Amen.
Well, Todd, thank you so much for
sharing your expertise, your insights.
I'm very excited about the future of
Memori and your work with the ITC.
And Ashley, always lovely to have you, and
we will see you guys on the next episode
Ashley Martinez: Thanks,
Todd Tomlin: Thanks so much.
Thanks
Ashley Martinez: Todd
Todd Tomlin: for having me.
Thank you