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This is a really deep seated one to unravel. It really is. Because the feeling of I am a bad woman, I am a bad mother, I am somehow abandoning my mother and my great grandmother who struggled and drove themselves into the ground because they insisted on doing everything if I hire someone to do x y z in my business or to wash my sheets or whatever it is. There is such deprogramming, and I have really devoted myself to unraveling that and, like,
Kate Northrup:the line stops with me. I'm so excited to introduce you to today's guest, Kate Scudder, who is also known as the millionaire mother. Kate is a former client turned dear, dear friend. And today, we are diving into how becoming a mother actually is an advantage in your business and in your money making endeavors as opposed to the conditioning we've received, which is that it is a disadvantage. Kate has incredible stories, incredible wisdom to pass along for anyone who is walking the dual path of the vocation of motherhood and entrepreneurship at the same time.
Kate Northrup:Enjoy the episode. Welcome to Plenti. I'm your host, Kate Northrup, and together, we are going on a journey to help you have an incredible relationship with money, time, and energy, and to have abundance on every possible level. Every week, we're gonna dive in with experts and insights to help you unlock a life of hunting. Let's go fill our cups.
Voice Over:Please note that the opinions and perspectives of the guests on the Plenty podcast are not necessarily reflective of the opinions and perspectives of Kate Northrop or anyone who works within the Kate Northrop brand.
Cait Scudder:Welcome to Plenty. Thank you.
Kate Northrup:I'm so happy to have you, Kate.
Cait Scudder:So good to be here. Okay.
Kate Northrup:So I wanna start off, if you don't mind telling the story of how we I mean, it's not actually the story of how we met because we met before that. Yes. But the story of how we ended up coming together Yes. Our meet cute.
Cait Scudder:As yeah. Our meet cute.
Cait Scudder:Okay. Great. So this was just such a divine moment. I think I don't even know, Kate. I think it was, like, a month postpartum with Ella, who is my oldest.
Cait Scudder:She is 3a half, almost 4. And I, as you say, we I knew you because I asked you to come into that female co working space in Portland, Maine to come on my podcast. It was so fun. I think you had just written do less, or we're about to release it. And that was it.
Cait Scudder:I was like, Kate Northrop. She also lives in Maine. Cool. But I didn't actively follow you. I'd read your book, but I wasn't like, you know, a super fan girl.
Cait Scudder:And in those early postpartum days, I had a dream. So I don't even remember it wasn't one of those, like, visually intense dreams, but it was like such a clear dream, join Kate Northrop's mastermind. And I literally remember we were staying in pine point at this rental house, like rolling over in bed and being like, babe, I had this random dream about Kate Northrop. Do you remember that lady I interviewed for my podcast? He's like, yeah.
Cait Scudder:I was like, I had a dream. I joined her mastermind. He's like, okay, that's weird. And I was like, yep. Anyway, going about our day, I kid you not.
Cait Scudder:I think I saw you market the origin mastermind one time, and it was that morning. I remember sitting on the couch, nursing Ella, and looking at my phone and being like, what? Like, this is random. Okay. Universe.
Cait Scudder:I'm following that nudge. So there I am, like, at her next nap, filling out the application. It's like, what makes you interested in this mastermind? I remember writing whatever I did. Like, I basically Basically sold myself to you on a application call and stayed for 2 years and until you shut it down, but it was the best thing ever.
Kate Northrup:It was amazing. And
Cait Scudder:I have this wasn't your question in particular, but I want to say this because. I have had moments, never a direct dream, like never basically like written instructions from God slid through the dream portal like that before, but so many nudges or, like, inklings in the right direction of the next step we're meant to take. And I the experience with you was just such confirmation because not only was it incredible for my business and meeting some of the most amazing women in my life who are now like family. So the ripple effect of that decision, like so many of my relationships, my connections in Maine, just things that happened as doors that open from that choice point, it is so evident that I needed to do that. And so I just I feel like that's such an important thing to remember when we get those nudges.
Cait Scudder:We have to listen to them. Yes.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. And what do you find that your clients do to talk them out of listening? And what's like, talk me through that because you and I are, I think, unusual. Yes. In that we get those nudges, and then we're just like, great.
Kate Northrup:Thanks for the instructions, carrying on making the decision. Totally. That's not normal.
Cait Scudder:It's not normal. I mean, I I had that distinct feeling. I don't know if you remember this. I wanted to pay in full before the end of the tax year, so I drove to your house in Yarmouth with a physical check because there was something with, like, the ACH thing.
Cait Scudder:Yes.
Cait Scudder:And Mike answered the door in your house in Yarmouth. I was like, hi. Yes.
Cait Scudder:This is regulation. We're just
Kate Northrup:It was like our 2nd time meeting, and you were
Cait Scudder:handing me a a 5 figure check on my front porch. Yes. And I was like I remember closing the door.
Kate Northrup:I was like and it was also that was deep in the pandemic.
Cait Scudder:Oh, definitely. I'm like, I'm not wearing a mask.
Cait Scudder:And you're like, so cute.
Kate Northrup:Here. It's we're all everything's fine here. I feel safe. And and, yeah, you had Ella sleeping in the car seat in the car. Yep.
Kate Northrup:So you didn't even come in.
Cait Scudder:You just I just, like, dropped it.
Cait Scudder:Come. You literally handed me a check on my front porch.
Cait Scudder:That was great. That was the top transaction.
Cait Scudder:Gaming experiences I've I've ever receiving. Like okay. Yeah. Great. Yeah.
Cait Scudder:Oh my god. So good. So funny.
Cait Scudder:So good. Okay. Yes. I this does happen, and I think we are unusual in that way. And I think so I've I mean, I've had clients say to me, like, I had a dream.
Cait Scudder:It literally happened this week. I had a dream about you. I had a dream we were working together. I had a dream we were hanging out, and our babies were together.
Cait Scudder:Aw.
Cait Scudder:And it's, like, it's so beautiful when that happens. And I just think there is so much I mean, there is so much going on that we do not control and there's so much I I feel like we're always co creating in the realm of everything in our lives, but especially business with the universe, God, the divine. And when we think it's just our own, like, logical decisions that are moving the needle, we're missing out on so much magic and momentum. We are constantly in a cocreation. And I think for me, it's easy to follow those nudges.
Cait Scudder:I mean, I have to override the part of my brain that's like, should you really be taking, like, multi 5 figure investment advice from a dream? And I'm like, absolutely. Because I have seen just over and over again in my life. I mean, the way that I met my husband, like these moments that shouldn't have happened or don't make sense, and yet they are the threshold moments that open everything up. And so when I have a client say that to me, I just hold up the mirror and I affirm like, amazing.
Cait Scudder:How incredible is it that you're that connected? And I never like force people or like, say, you've got to follow this, but, it's just a moment of realizing, wow, we are. So we have access to so much more information than we often allow ourselves to feel. And what I have noticed is that the more it's like a positive upward spiral. The more that I listen to that and follow those nudges, the easier it becomes to do that, the more positive evidence I gather, and it's just like
Kate Northrup:And then do you find that you get more of that kind of internal guidance? Like, it gets louder or more clear? Absolutely.
Cait Scudder:More of that internal guidance, more and when I'm not following that or when I'm, like, making a decision overly and it's you know, I'm obviously always using the faculties of logic and reason and intuition, guidance, you know, serendipity, synchronicity from outside of me. I I use them both, but I can see more easily when I am blocking that. And when I open to that and listen, it just everything becomes clearer. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:So I don't know. 6 months ish after we stopped working together Mhmm. Like, officially and then transitioned into friend mode Yeah.
Cait Scudder:Which has been such a pleasure.
Kate Northrup:You did a pretty big pivot in your business. Yes. And can you, for for anyone listening who is in a place where, like, there's something coming through them, that might be different or a variation of what they're already doing, and they feel called, but is, you know, they're feeling hesitancy or, like, I've always been known for this or, like, this is too bold or too much sticking my flag in.
Cait Scudder:You know,
Kate Northrup:your brand is the millionaire mother, and just even that, I'm sure ruffles feathers.
Cait Scudder:Like, people
Kate Northrup:are triggered by that. It's then, of course, the right people are magnetized by it. But can you talk about how that new variation of your work came through? What was that experience like, given that we're talking about these internal nudges?
Cait Scudder:Oh my gosh. Well, I don't know if you actually know this story, but I am going to share this with you because you are going to love this. And, again, folding so beautifully in with this first question, it had to do with somebody that I met in your mastermind. So I was in Australia. It was April of 2020.
Cait Scudder:Let me think. 2023. Wow. Last year. Okay.
Cait Scudder:So it was April of 2023. I was at that point postpartum with Jack, my second. And that birth, I will circle back to that because that was really the catalyst for the rebrand and, just shifting things in a massive way. But I was at that point postpartum with him, and he was a very like, I joke, I thought that boy was gonna nurse until, like, his twenties because he was just so attached and, like, would not let me have 5 minutes without being on my body at night. So around that point, 8, 9 months postpartum, I was exhausted, and I was like, something needs to change.
Cait Scudder:And I had, again, not a dream, but, like, this visceral hit reach out to Erin Rose. And yes. So I was like, that's weird. I met Erin one time in a random Airbnb in Texas.
Kate Northrup:Oh, so he's, like, not a mother.
Cait Scudder:Not a mother at all.
Kate Northrup:Not a has never nursed.
Cait Scudder:Never did I but it was just like the universe was like and so it I'm in Australia, so it's like mid afternoon for Erin. I'm in the middle of the night in one of my feeds with Jack, and I messaged Erin, and I was like, hi. I'm base I know you speak this language, so I'm like here on a divine assignment. I think I need a session with you. And so Aaron and I, when I got back from Australia, because it was just too hard to coordinate, I was feeling the, like, unraveling of my old business and my old so my old business was just my name.
Cait Scudder:My podcast was called Born to Rise. As you know, I have an athletic background, like, so much of and I'd already made 1,000,000 of dollars, and so much of the momentum that I had generated was from this message of, like, you know, if you can dream it, you can achieve it, like, right, which is beautiful and is so still part of me. But I could feel like I something about this isn't the whole picture anymore, and I feel really tired pretending like it is. Not that I was, like, faking everything that I was doing, but I'm I felt really constricted by my message and by my brand in a way that was so confronting because it was extremely successful. And so I was like, what am I supposed to do?
Cait Scudder:And I had this it was so beautiful. I've never had a session where somebody, like, opened it by calling in all of my angels. Archangel Michael was there, and he just, like, put this whole, like, angel squad around the call. And I just he was like, what's going on? And I was talking to him about a container that I was running at the time.
Cait Scudder:It was a multiple $1,000,000 offer over the years, the RISE mastermind, And I was just feeling like something needed to shift with it, and he like, the single one of the most poignant messages that anyone has ever said to me in a mentoring call, he said, Kate, it sounds like rise is already dying. Why don't you give it back to the earth? And I was like, ding, ding, ding, ding. And that was the moment where I said, okay. I know what I have to do.
Cait Scudder:And so I I was like five and a half months into the container, and within 2 weeks, I closed it down. I sent over 6 figures of refunds. I slashed our MRR by, like, 70%, and I was, like, trust falling, baby. Like, Alexa, play pink. I was trust falling into the unknown because I knew that something else was coming through.
Cait Scudder:And I said that this was related to Jack's birth. So with my first with Ella, it was a very we were planning for a home birth, ended up having to transfer to the hospital. It was, like, not for like, many of us know, like, not the birth I wanted. It was nurses holding my knees to my ears, screaming, push NICU doctors talking on their cell phone as I'm like crowning. It was horrible.
Cait Scudder:Did a lot of internal work to like shift and heal the narrative. And also just like open myself to be available for a different experience without trying to, like, grip it and control it because birth is the ultimate surrender. And with Jack, we ended up I mean, that was probably the single greatest transformational portal of my life. We had a water birth at home. He was £10 15 ounces, and the craziest part was I did not push him out.
Cait Scudder:There's this thing called the fetal ejection reflux, FER, where the fundus of the uterus basically just expels the baby, and that is what happened with Jack. And he was £10.15 coming out of a hole this big. It was an event, And but it was wild because it truly was pain free up until intense AF, but, like, not until the very, very end. I don't know. It was over like that.
Cait Scudder:And I it just sent me through this process of, like, recalculating because I'm like, if I if my body knows how to do that without any conscious effort, What does this mean about business? What does this mean about growing a company? What does this mean about up leveling impact and income if there is, like, a mechanism inside of me that knows how to do literally the superhuman impossible without my conscious thought? And I think that was part of what was unraveling inside of me is, like, these old messages just focusing on the strategy and just focusing on even just mindset. It was like there was this other piece wanting to come through, and I created a program, that year between the birth of Jack and rebranding to the millionaire mother called boss mama, where I was, you know, going into motherhood and business.
Cait Scudder:It was a 6 week little immersion. And after it was done, I'm like, I'm not done with this conversation. I am just starting this conversation. And, so, anyway, after that call with Erin, I unraveled. I let myself just go into the abyss.
Cait Scudder:And then and and I know this is not the case for everyone, but this is truly my experience. I was in my office, and I just got the full download transmission. I went into Toby's office, and I got this, like, huge roll of paper that I rolled across my entire floor. I was on my hands and knees, like, mapping out the company, the offer suite, the mess like, the core brand message, the just the whole thing. And I was literally channeling it, like, in the same position that I gave birth.
Cait Scudder:Oh my god.
Kate Northrup:It was wild. Incredible. Yeah. And, like, that was April, and then you launched the millionaire mother.
Cait Scudder:It so it was May, end of May, or beginning of June of 2023 that that channeling on the floor moment happened. May, when I did all the refunds and slash the MRR. Mhmm. And by July, I had rebranded.
Kate Northrup:By July, you had rebranded and you launched, your signature offer, which is the millionaire mother experience. Yes. In August. In August. That's remarkable.
Kate Northrup:Okay. So what do you see with your clients who are pushing the brakes when their energetic, you know, fetal reflex, whatever.
Cait Scudder:What is it called? FER, fetal ejection reflux. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:It's like trying to birth something, but they're, like, trying to stop it. And because that's what I see all the time is that people have something like this that is clearly divinely ordained, divinely guided, it's meant to come through them, but they're just don't feel trusting enough to actually do what they see as the risky thing, which is letting go of the the guarantees, which isn't how things guaranteed, but the the letting go of the known and sinking into the abyss. Right? So, like, you're really good at that. And how do you I don't know if you're naturally like that or, like but how
Cait Scudder:do you guide your people who are freaked out? So here's how I think about it. There is absolutely a risk of letting go of what we know, of letting go of whether it's a revenue stream, whether it's a known messaging angle that we know our people resonate with. But when we here's what I think. When we start to feel that pull to something different, when we feel like there is something decaying, we have to it's it's really trusting cyclicality.
Cait Scudder:We have to be able to trust that things have a particular life cycle. And it wasn't like the death of Born to Rise or the Rise Mastermind. Like, it wasn't that that became bad. It was like that had run its course, and it was time to let it go. And I think that it is it takes so much energy.
Cait Scudder:It is so energetically inefficient to cling and hold on to and and then, like, be in this internal struggle while trying to present one way in the world. Like, it is such a leak of energy. And as a postpartum mom of, like, 2 under 3, I was like, I didn't have time for that. Yeah. I had to free up my bandwidth.
Cait Scudder:And so we can perceive, oh my gosh, this is so risky. But to me, it is so much more irresponsible and such a greater risk Yeah. To fight for and hold on to something that isn't working. And I think that so the way that I guide clients through that is, like, really holding up the mirror to what what is your inner knowing saying? What is guiding you here?
Cait Scudder:And one of the tools that I find to be really helpful, and I say this to clients all the time, it's like, this whole unraveling, whatever got you to this moment, it was following the breadcrumbs. It was one step after the other. And we arrive at these different moments in business and feel like, okay. I've created this thing that works, and I know it now, but the thing that got us here was following that. So we have to we already have the evidence if we look back to trust that we're able to keep doing it.
Cait Scudder:And I think when we get to higher heights, it becomes harder in some ways to do that, especially when we're moms, especially if we're carrying, like, the primary financial responsibility for the household. But to me, it's it is it's actually less risky to do that.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Switching that reframe.
Cait Scudder:Mindset. Yeah. Switching that frame around is it just is so empowering. It's so empowering. Now one of
Kate Northrup:the things that you and I have both researched, but you more recently, so I'm excited about, like, your data, is about, you know, so the the cultural conditioning we have is that being a mother makes us less available for making money, less available for being good in business and is somehow, you know, the sort of mommy brain, oh, I can't do it. Oh, I you know, now it's extra hard. Now I have to, you know, contract,
Cait Scudder:mhmm,
Kate Northrup:things from a earning potential. And, like, by the way, if that has been somebody's path, no shade. Totally. Like, everyone's path is different. 100%.
Kate Northrup:Yours has been different.
Cait Scudder:Mine has
Cait Scudder:been different.
Kate Northrup:I'm at as has mine. Yes. As I have grown babies and a family, I have also simultaneously expanded the business, you know, exponentially at times. And so what have you learned about the female brain and the way that motherhood actually makes us even better business owners, better entrepreneurs, or, like, more equipped instead of the conditioning we have that it's, a detriment.
Cait Scudder:Yeah. It's such a okay. So right now well, according to latest census data, there are over 4,300,000 female entrepreneurs in the country. 1 in 3 has school aged children at home. And so more and I think that post pandemic, this that number exponentially increased.
Cait Scudder:A lot of moms realize, like, hang on. I cannot do 2 full time roles. And the mommy tracking that happens in corporate America, like, so many mothers are being drawn to entrepreneurship because corporate life, working for a company, it just is not set up in such a way in this country that supports moms being participatory mothers. And so what happens in it happens during pregnancy, postpartum, lasting years postpartum, the gray matter in the brain, which is the part responsible for word recall, memory. It's why we're like, what's the thing called?
Cait Scudder:That is not just like a fluke. It's not just like a joke among moms. It is actually a cerebral restructuring where gray matter significantly decreases. So it is absolutely true that recalling words, feeling that fuzziness, that happens so that the default mode network, which is another center in the brain, increases. And that center of the brain is connected to, like, dreaming, intuition, non, like, external focus tasks, but this more, like, open perception.
Cait Scudder:And that is why, as mothers, that, like, spidey sense that we have of, like, I don't even know. I had this the other day. Our house is quite large. We were in the kitchen. Our bedroom where James was sleeping was on the other side of the room.
Cait Scudder:I did not hear him at all, but I walked to the stairs on the opposite side of the house because I just had this feeling and he was screaming. And that that is the default mode network. And that exponentially grows during pregnancy, but in particular, postpartum and at and last up to 2 years, that expansion. And then other parts of the brain, you know, are fundamentally changed forever. And what I think is so interesting about this is that we often think the skills that grow a business are logic, reason, but all visionaries, all inventors are connected to this intuitive side, and that is actually the secret sauce to growing a business.
Cait Scudder:So I just I am, like, preaching this, like, handing out pamphlets on the street to whoever will listen. Like, we have been duped by the patriarchy. We have been duped to think that we have no place in the business world that, like, our leaky boobs and foggy brains can just, like, hang out in a corner until we can, like, button up in a power suit again. And it's like, no. No.
Cait Scudder:No. We deserve not only deserve center stage, but we are bringing to the table this, like, cognitive superpower that is so on our side to grow a business. And that is why those messages of, like, I think I should do this, or I see this new direction, or wouldn't this angle be, like, incredible, that information is coming to us because of this neurological change. It's so cool. What's that part of the brain called?
Cait Scudder:Default mode network, DMN. Cool.
Kate Northrup:Yes. That's so cool. Yes. I love that. And one of the things in business that I think is, like you said, we've been duped is this idea that, like, logic and strategy are king.
Kate Northrup:Mhmm. And that the other stuff, like, I've had it called and it drives me nuts when people say this. They call it the soft skills. Now maybe I should just rephrase that because I don't wanna be hard either. Totally.
Kate Northrup:So maybe I should just stop feeling that way. But, like, tell me I mean, we've been talking about this. Right? Like, the dream you had joining the mastermind, the the you know, how you met your husband. Honestly, quite frankly, how you even got started in business.
Kate Northrup:Oh, yeah. You didn't come from A business background. No.
Cait Scudder:I was a Spanish teacher.
Cait Scudder:You were
Kate Northrup:a Spanish teacher, and then you were, like, writing technical manuals Yes.
Cait Scudder:For a software company. A software company.
Kate Northrup:And then you made this big leap totally to join Yes. The coaching something or this?
Cait Scudder:I joined, like, a coaching incubator mastermind 30 day, like, sprint thing to get it out. I've been sitting on doing a business for 2 years while I was working that other job remotely in Bali, And I just had all the voices. Like, I'm too late. There are already people doing this. Who am I to just start talking on the Internet?
Cait Scudder:Like, anyone should listen to me. I mean, so loud. And then it wasn't until I got myself accountable where other people could actually see these dreams and be like, did you do the thing or not that I actually did it?
Kate Northrup:Well, see okay. So that's where I think that sometimes in our industry where we're talking about, like, feminine energy and business and whatever, we can go too far into the, like, loosey goosey softness of, like, woah. Like, I don't even have any edges. Totally.
Cait Scudder:I am an amoeba.
Kate Northrup:Very amoeba like. Very amoeba. And then we don't actually get progress. Totally. But then, like, the, like, super, like, boot
Cait Scudder:camp, you know, bro side doesn't feel good either.
Kate Northrup:It doesn't. It doesn't. So, when you work with people in the millionaire mother experience or in your higher level masterminds or I don't actually know if you do 1 on 1 mentoring anymore, but
Cait Scudder:Very rarely.
Kate Northrup:With whoever you're working with. Yes. How what are some of the insights that you can share about how to bring in both so that you're not amoeba like, but you're also not, like, brittle robotic?
Cait Scudder:A 100%. I think that I mean, I have always I mean, not always been, but since I started my business since I started business coaching in particular, which was 2017, I have loved the strategy and structure component. I think that my inner masculine is quite jacked Yeah. And very strong, and I come from, like, an academic background and athletic background. So the masculine energy.
Cait Scudder:Capricorn and Venus, baby, I've definitely got that side, but, obviously, also, like, deeply in my feminine. And to me, this is like the this is the epitome of mother energy. It's like the mature feminine. The one who's not like damsel in distress, the one who's not just like a gooey amoeba. I mean, when you said, like, soft skills, like, instantly, I just thought to, like, all of the moments where all of my kids were coming out of me, and it's like, tell me that a woman is soft.
Cait Scudder:Yeah. No. Thank you. Like, we are so fierce. Yeah.
Cait Scudder:And, and that that duality is I really think, again, just we need both of those elements in business. And so particularly in MME and since starting the millionaire mother experience, all of our programs, we focus on 5 core areas, identity, energy, systems, marketing, and money. And for all 5 of those areas, there is, like, an inner universe, so, like, our own personal identity death and rebirth that comes with business, but then there's also our business structure, our the infrastructure and architecture rebirth that happens. You know, there's our inner game with energy and the outer energy of our brand. And so we there's our home systems and then our back end business systems.
Cait Scudder:And I am just such a stickler for both of these because we can do the we need to do the inner work. I mean, as you said, I've basically been taking business guidance from my guides for as long as I've been in business. But I'm like, you better believe I analyze our data, and I'm in the back end, and we have SOPs for everything, not just in business, but at home because and that's one of our, like, most people, our clients in MME love our program home front, which has like job, home staff, job descriptions, and like SOPs for how to like stack the dishwasher. I mean, it's a little over the top, but, like, it just saves
Cait Scudder:Oh my god.
Cait Scudder:Mike would have to write
Kate Northrup:the SOP on how to
Cait Scudder:do the dishwasher. Mike would love home run. He would love it. But it's like these things that take time that we just need to get out of our brain so we can have more space available to be with our kids or, like, channel the magic.
Kate Northrup:Yes. So you have a 5 month old. Yes. A who came on this trip with you, he's so delicious, and a 2 year old Yes. And a Almost almost 4 year old.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. You know, shy of 3 months. Many people, myself included
Cait Scudder:Think you're insane.
Cait Scudder:And you're like, oh, maybe we'll just have a 4th We are actively thinking about another. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:I mean, you're gonna be pregnant in 30 seconds.
Cait Scudder:Yes. I know you. So, like, one of
Kate Northrup:the things that I just wanna say, and I've told you this before, is, like, there is no so I really don't believe in hierarchy or any sort of fixed structure of this person is leading, this person is following. Like, I really like relationships where that divine ping pong match goes back and forth.
Cait Scudder:Yes.
Kate Northrup:And one of the things that I have healed in me through witnessing you is, like, obviously, you know, you've had many, many hard moments, and I do not wanna gloss those over. And, like, I'll never forget boxing with you when you were getting the mastitis a 1000000 times with Jack and, like, I mean, so Yeah. Let's not sugarcoat. However, there's a way in which you just kind of, like, are, like, expanding your capacity as you expand your family
Cait Scudder:Yes.
Kate Northrup:That has as I witness it, because I in terms of the body, in terms of our nervous system and our psyche and our unconscious, this is all kind of the same thing, there is no sense of time.
Cait Scudder:Mhmm.
Kate Northrup:And so there's also no separation. Like, the lie the body does not believe the lie of separation. And so witnessing you in motherhood of young children in such expansive joy, sometimes, more than I was, has actually like, I feel like I have gone back in time and been able to, like, heal the part of me that was just massively firmly on the struggle bus for so many years in those early days, and I wasn't having, like but, like, because you had a different experience, I feel like part of me also did. And as opposed to this thing that we do in women, I won't say we. Sometimes it happens that, like, you our conditioning will have us look at other women and be like, oh, must be nice for her.
Kate Northrup:Yes. Or, like, oh, she's having that. That's separate from me. Yes. And I just wanna say, and I will, of course, follow-up with a question, but I just wanna say, like, it's been really beautiful to witness you and allow my past self to have that as well because it's been healing to the part of me that was, like, had such a hard time in early motherhood.
Kate Northrup:So thank you. You're welcome. Thanks for doing it differently.
Cait Scudder:And thank you for that reflection. And I just I think it's so beautiful and helpful to anyone who has that, like, must be nice feeling to, like, see that there's another pathway available when you're seeing someone that's having a different experience to what you had. It can
Kate Northrup:be something that you like, I'm not gonna go back and have early motherhood again. Like, it's not the sort of thing that I can be, like, oh, let me get tips and apply them like that time has passed. Right. But all time is now. And like, because I got to, like, soak in the vibes of you doing it, like, I sort of sent it to my past self.
Cait Scudder:I do I believe that we can do that.
Kate Northrup:Totally. Yeah. And so when it comes to money and witnessing other women make gobs of money and talk about it on the Internet, I wanted I wanna hear what's come up for you as you do that, especially as a mother Oh, yeah. Because patriarchy wants us to believe that mothers are not supposed to be powerful financially. What's come up for you as you've done that?
Kate Northrup:What's been some growth growth edge around that, and what have you witnessed with people getting triggered? Because I'm sure somebody listening to this already has been triggered by just the phrase, the millionaire.
Cait Scudder:Oh, the when I rebranded my handle, the amount of unfollow was, like, so Anyway Because you have to remember, like
Cait Scudder:you for your share.
Cait Scudder:Thank you for your share. Goodbye. I am a manifester in human design. We are blessed with a closed aura, meaning we can be intimidating, repellent. Mhmm.
Kate Northrup:So I feel like mother is a manifestor.
Cait Scudder:Interesting. Does that
Kate Northrup:Also, Penelope is.
Cait Scudder:So interesting. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Good to know. So we
Cait Scudder:yeah. That repellent. Integrating. So yes. Ding ding.
Cait Scudder:And, oh my gosh, Kate. I mean, some of the messages because, also, I live on a farm, the homestead. Yeah. So a lot of that we have goats, we have chickens, we had guinea fowl, fox got them all, but we have a garden, and we we are, like, close to the land people. So I people see
Kate Northrup:earth mama.
Cait Scudder:People see the crunch, and they're like, you're my people. And then it's like millionaire mother wearing, like, fancy jewelry and designer bags and driving a Mercedes, and they feel, like, personally offended. Like, I thought you were one of us. I thought you were crunchy. I thought and I'm like, I am crunchy.
Kate Northrup:And the the forced duality of, like, if you're connected to nature and the earth, somehow that means you've taken a vow of poverty. Well, this is
Cait Scudder:what is so interesting, and this is what I am so excited about in the event that I'm running maternal wealth because I am an English major, so in college, so just geek out on etymology, but the root of maternal and the root of material is the same, matter. Right. And in the Latin, that means mother. So Yeah. The root of all material wealth, the root of all that is maternal, it is it's the core is the mother.
Cait Scudder:Yeah. And the idea that we in order to be close to the earth, we have to be separate from what is material. In order to be, like, good mothers, we have to, yeah, take a vow of vow of poverty and, like, denounce, you know, over and over, which which if you follow that
Kate Northrup:line of reasoning, what's also underneath that is is the assumption of self sacrifice. Oh, a 100%. Imperative of self sacrifice. Like, in I remember growing up, I got some messaging, and I think this is related of, like, I remember seeing women who looked put together, who were mothers, and assuming that because they looked good and were put together, that somehow they weren't a good mother. Wow.
Kate Northrup:Wow. Like, if they took the time to get dressed and do their hair and makeup, they must be so selfish that their children were suffering.
Cait Scudder:It's so I mean, and that dichotomy runs so deep, so deep. And so the and what I think that that judgment or that perception or that false binary, what is so beautiful about that and I mean, some of the messages I've received, like, I have literally gotten the message, like, you are exactly what is wrong with society. I mean, just like Wow. Your children are, like, fucked because you're their mother. Like, so many, not not often, but like in the beginning when we did the rebrand and we were running, our live event last year, a lot of projection like that.
Cait Scudder:And it is just so in those moments, I'm like, it doesn't it doesn't actually I mean, it was intense to receive, but it was such a clear, oh, honey. Like, this is a really unhealed part. And what I think is so beautiful about and why my company is called the millionaire mother and why I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna stand in that uncomfortable crossroads between these two worlds that we're told aren't supposed to mix because I believe so deeply that stepping into the full availability to steward a paradigm of thriving is the single greatest inheritance that I can give to my kids. Yeah. To see a mother that isn't self sacrificing and embodying that because that is the archetype.
Cait Scudder:In business, we have the archetypes of the man or the, like, girl boss maiden. And in motherhood, we have the martyr, and none of those archetypes serve our companies or our kids.
Kate Northrup:They really do not.
Cait Scudder:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:My friends who grew up with mothers who were martyrs, it leaves a mark.
Cait Scudder:It does.
Kate Northrup:And, like, it's I believe everything is healable, so it's not like percent. But at the same time, like, you know, I think about my daughters, and I do stuff, you know, I I'm on planes. I'm working. I'm writing books. I'm going to get my nails.
Kate Northrup:I'm just doing stuff, way more than my mother was in in certain ways even though my mom was for sure not self sacrificing in in particular ways, very committed to her, career expression.
Cait Scudder:Yes.
Kate Northrup:I think about, like, what I would want for them in terms of the internalized permission to go for their dreams.
Cait Scudder:Mhmm.
Kate Northrup:And, you know, anytime I feel that kind of like, oh, should I shouldn't I it's like, okay, cut to my daughters at the age of 30 or 35 or whatever, like I what what do I want them to remember in their body?
Cait Scudder:Yes, I had this fascinating, discussion with Lyric from Workplay Branding on my podcast.
Kate Northrup:Podcast, so you can go back and listen if you want.
Cait Scudder:Amazing. So on my podcast, the millionaire mother podcast, I interviewed Lyric because she is 26, and as we both know, cofounder of a 7 figure company Yeah. That she started with her mom. So I interviewed her not because she is a mother, but because she is the daughter of a woman who unapologetically was ambitious and pursued a career. And she is, like, has this incredible relationship with her mom and planted the seed in lyric, like, dream big, work for your dreams, go after whatever you want.
Cait Scudder:And she's in her mid twenties and, like, a millionaire.
Cait Scudder:Yeah.
Cait Scudder:And not from inherited money, but from a company that she started because she planted that seed. So I just think that was like such a beautiful case study and moment for the moms who feel guilt or, oh my gosh, if I'm going on a plane, I'm taking time away. Or if I'm working or doing a call or writing a book, I'm, like, not prioritizing motherhood and they're not developing healthy attachment. I think I mean, of course, there are ways if we just completely ignore our kids, you know, truncate and don't explain to them what's happening. There can be some attachment stuff.
Cait Scudder:But whenever I go away, I like get down with them. I talk to them. I tell them what I'm doing. And Ella will ask me my 4 year old, she's just starting to come into this. Like, what are you doing, mommy?
Cait Scudder:Or like, what is your she puts on my headphones and says, welcome to my podcast. I'm like, you are hilarious.
Cait Scudder:Yes.
Cait Scudder:But I'm like, mommy helps other mommies with their businesses. And she's like, that's so cool, mom. So she's so young, but she gets it. She knows I'm not just leaving because I don't care about them. She knows mommy is on a mission, and I'm so excited to do that work, and I'm so excited to come home.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Cait Scudder:And I mentioned that lyric thing because it's we think that we're gonna screw them up. But in fact, the I mean, jury's out. Our kids are both still young, but I really believe they are planting they're planting I mean, we're planting an incredible seed of possibility for our kids to see that it's possible to do it all. For sure. And, also,
Kate Northrup:you and I run sort of similar businesses, and I just got back from 6 and a half weeks away for the summer Yep. Working, quite frankly, a few hours a week and, you know, behind on several deliveries. But, like, I was like, my kids are 68. The time is speeding up. Oh my gosh.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Just like, what am I doing if I'm like, the thing is running our own businesses, stepping into the driver's seat in the way that you mentor women to do allows us actually way more time to be with our kids than we would have if we were, either, a, running smaller businesses.
Cait Scudder:Mhmm.
Kate Northrup:Listen, by the way, there's, like, no any size business is a wonderful business, but, like, I just know that the income we make because I've been willing to go bigger allows me more space to spend more time with them than the opposite, which is this it's not a delusion, but it's a conditioning to believe that the more money I make, the more time I have to spend. Oh, yeah. I found it's the opposite. So can you speak to that in your own business and in your own life, and how that's worked for you? I'm assuming it's true for you.
Cait Scudder:I actually know what's true for you
Cait Scudder:as well.
Cait Scudder:100%. Well, this goes back to the whole, like, masculine, feminine, you know, structure and flow side of things. When I have been so intentional about creating back end systems, structures, workflows Do you still have
Kate Northrup:that program called Baby
Cait Scudder:Got Backend? Yes.
Cait Scudder:That is it. It
Cait Scudder:makes me giggle. I love it.
Cait Scudder:The the bike side is is like, Baby Got Backend. You're in the right place. That is indeed a business program. There's no x rated content in that vault,
Cait Scudder:But that
Cait Scudder:is all the, like, SOT.
Cait Scudder:That's actually exactly where Mike should be. He's like a systems fan.
Cait Scudder:Totally. But that so it was I mean, you spoke to, like, you know, creating a bigger business allows us to actually step back and create more time. Before I could invest in team, it was like I'm gonna invest in systems so that I am not expending my precious energy doing stuff that could just be Yeah. Like automated or delegated, deleted, optimized, what have you. So it's having that structure, that masculine side really dialed in, whether that is from a launching standpoint, whether that is, like, creating templates, whether it's having SOPs so you don't have to repeat processes, whether it's creating automations or finding the right tech stack or whatever.
Cait Scudder:And then as the business grows and there's more money to reinvest, hiring team so that we are not the ones doing everything. And this in particular, oh, if you're listening to this and you're a mom and you feel triggered by, like, what? I don't have to do everything, at home or in the business. And this is one that we have to be willing. And frankly, this is a big I spoke about identity being a core piece of my work, and the work I do with mothers, this is a really deep seated one to unravel.
Cait Scudder:It really is. Because the feeling of I am a bad woman. I am a bad mother. I am somehow abandoning my mother and my great grandmother who struggled and drove themselves into the ground because they insisted on doing everything if I hire someone to do x, y, z in my business or to wash my sheets or whatever it is. There is such deep programming, and I have really, devoted myself to unraveling that.
Cait Scudder:And, like, the line stops with me in my lineage of that and being able to steward and carry a different frequency. Not of this, like, I'm above that kind of stuff, but when you when we make ourselves available to allow in more support, we are actually giving such a gift to our kids. We are giving ourselves and our companies such a gift in return. And even just from, like, an asset perspective, our time and our energy is the greatest asset that we have in business. And so if I am able to delegate out because of revenue that I have generated, people to do the tasks that move the needle but that aren't things that I can do, it's such a wise allocation of assets in the business.
Cait Scudder:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:And in your personal life
Cait Scudder:because all
Cait Scudder:of a
Kate Northrup:sudden like, if we are, a really, like, conscious kind person, to me, creating more jobs is our job. Oh, a 100 percent. Like, I would I love being a great place to work at our home, in our I mean, this like, our nanny is family. I mean, like Oh, same. It's like a deep connection.
Kate Northrup:So deep. So, I mean, I think we've had past lives together. I mean, that's like a whole other thing, but, just to create and I've heard many stories, like horror stories of different families that people have worked with and terrible and I'm like, okay. Like, I can be create a great income for someone and a wonderful place to work that's, like, delightful and safe and yummy and, like, yes. That is my job.
Cait Scudder:Yes.
Cait Scudder:Yeah.
Cait Scudder:And that happens because we are brave enough and we are willing enough to take the risk to bring the thing forward. And it's like, I think about the chain reaction and the cascade of events, you know, that your nanny's job, my nanny's job, our teams, they wouldn't exist if we weren't willing to bring forward the thing inside of us. And so unhooking the story of who do I think I am? I can't like that tall internalized tall poppy syndrome is so strong, but it's it is not just our own inner work, but I really see it as like legacy in our work to do that. Was your mother in more of a Martyrac archetype?
Cait Scudder:She, my mom is like my best friend. I love her so much. She is incredible. She, she wasn't a martyr in the, like I'm miserable, mothering or I'm miserable, but she she stayed at home until I think I was 4 or 5. And then she got just like random odd jobs, like substitute teaching and a paralegal.
Cait Scudder:And, and she never really had the martyr frequency, but she wasn't particularly motivated to, yeah, have, like, a career be a main thing. As I got older, I think there were some martyr dynamics less in, like, work and more in, like, her relationship. And I think that really, like, planted the seed of, like, you can freaking have it all. You don't have to settle. That really planted that in me.
Cait Scudder:But certainly the generation before her, both of my grandmothers had
Cait Scudder:Okay.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. I was just, like, I'm curious because usually when someone has this much of a fire for something Yeah. Usually, it is healing a lineage
Cait Scudder:Yes.
Kate Northrup:Aspect. I think
Cait Scudder:it is.
Kate Northrup:Sometimes it's just comes in with us, and that's where it's supposed be, but I was just curious.
Cait Scudder:Definitely. It's definitely come through that both the maternal and the paternal lines, and I think some of that fire of, like, just how good are you willing to let it be. Yeah. It definitely comes from her, but not so much from career, more like relationship.
Kate Northrup:That makes sense. Yeah. Speaking of relationships, you have a wonderful husband. I love him. And I know that you also are the primary breadwinner in your family while also being the only person giving birth
Cait Scudder:and
Kate Northrup:nursing, obviously. Well, maybe not,
Cait Scudder:obviously, but in your family, that is true.
Kate Northrup:Yes. So have there been any imprints that you've needed to unravel around, men and women and money and husbands and wives and who should be making the money and any of that, or was that something that was just, like, crystal clear from the beginning with you?
Cait Scudder:So here is something 2 things I wanna say about this. One has to do with Sarah Jenks' party and Venus and Mars signs, And the other That
Cait Scudder:was a good one.
Cait Scudder:It was so good.
Cait Scudder:I'm excited to hear more.
Cait Scudder:The other is a nerdy etymology thing again. So provider, which we often think the man is supposed to be in a hetero relationship. The man is supposed to be the provider and that defaults to financial providership. But provider providare is literally to be able to vision ahead or see forward. And what I think is so cool about this is that in a marriage where it's like equal parties looking in both the same direction, contributing in not an equal way, because I think there are beautiful distinctions between the masculine and the feminine that we need to celebrate and see the compliment that we provide to each other.
Cait Scudder:But both are looking forward at that vision. And so Toby is so strongly the provider in our relationship in so many ways that are not financial. So back to the, full moon dressed as your Venus and Mars sign. I did not know until that day where a mutual friend had us the women dressed as their Venus sign and the men dressed as their Mars sign. My Venus sign is Capricorn.
Cait Scudder:Shocker. And Toby's Mars sign is Cancer. And the description I remember reading out the description of Mars and Cancer, and it's like, I am the good father, the, like, the earth the land steward, the provider of, like, the creatures and the children. And I just I like burst into tears because that is so Toby. He like wakes up, puts on his work shirt.
Cait Scudder:He's so sexy, but he just like he holds all of the logistics of our life. He literally built our house. I mean, it was built in the 18th of the 18th century, but he gutted and renovated the whole thing in four and a half months because he was, like, on this, like, testosterone mission to, like, give me a house to give birth in for Jack. Wow. And we were on this insane timeline, and he renovated a 45 100 square foot house top to tail in 4 months.
Cait Scudder:Wow. And so there are so many he's a very involved dad. He, like, takes care of everything on the homestead, fixes everything, life logistics, tech, like, he holds it down. And there are really I mean, just so many ways that we've unraveled and looked at together this, like, idea that the man is supposed to be providing financially. I feel because my business I think if I were working, like, a high powered corporate job, feeling someone else's dreams, I would feel so differently because I my business gives me energy because I am in the active expression of, like, channeling life force through me in complete alignment with my soul's expression and mission.
Cait Scudder:And because of that, like, sure, work takes time, but it gives me energy. And it is a very efficient use of, like, both of our time. If I tried to try to channel my life force to, like, do life admin in the house, it would be extremely draining, but that is the zone of genius for Toby. So we really are like, let's stock, take the skills that we jointly have and like plug in in the way that makes the most sense. So there is no, I think for anyone, and I've worked with some clients around this who feel the fear of like emasculating their husband, by, you know, being the primary breadwinner.
Cait Scudder:I think it's just about having an honest conversation. Like Toby has his own business that makes multiple 6 figures, and that's great. But he doesn't feel threatened at all by me doing what I do because it's like we're on team family. Yes. And that stewardship greater mission, like, looking ahead at what we're building, that we're both on that mission together.
Kate Northrup:Well, I think any amount of, like, competition in a marriage will degrade the foundation. And even that idea of, like, tallying who's making more, what it you know, like, my friend, Susie Moore, you was taught she did a great article, in Business Insider about, like, being here's what people don't understand about making more money than your husband. It was it was a great piece, and then and then Heath did a follow-up. Here's what people don't understand about when your wife makes more than you. And and her take was basically, like, any dollar that comes into our household is a win.
Kate Northrup:Totally. Like, let's look at A 100. Together as opposed to, like, who would
Cait Scudder:for tax.
Kate Northrup:And that's been something I've needed to work on healing in myself, which is why I asked the question, and I've come so far.
Cait Scudder:I can literally tell you the last time that we stopped doing tit for tat, it was 2019. We were moving to the states and up until then. So we got married in 2017. 2019, we were moving from Bali back to the states, and it was the 1st plane to I bought the plane tickets, and we were like we had a tally up until that point. And he, like, owed me $8,000.
Cait Scudder:And then my business really just started to take off, and it was like, hang on. This literally makes no sense. And then, especially with having kids, it's like we are on team family, team bigger vision here.
Cait Scudder:Yeah.
Cait Scudder:And it just feels so much better. And it's this it's this pouring in rather than taking out, and it just it's like the the sum is greater than the, the total is greater than the sum of the parts.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. And I think, you know, there's a few threads that I just wanna kind of wrap up here as we as we close, and they all speak to the dissolution of the lie of scarcity and the dissolution of the zero sum. One of them is that you were talking about how, you know, devoting time to a business that you love is additive as opposed to subtractive for your children.
Cait Scudder:Yes.
Kate Northrup:Right? Because it enhances their well-being as opposed to the old conditioning that any amount the mother is not a 100% focused on her children that somehow, she is doing harm. Like, that's such bullshit.
Cait Scudder:And our kids are so perceptive. Yeah. Like, they can feel I mean, the other day, we got Toby installed this, like, zipline thing in our yard, and I was so fun. So fun. I was, like, sending her down the zip line, and I stumbled on a tree root, and I fell over.
Cait Scudder:And she, like I was totally fine, but she burst into tears because she was, like, mommy's not okay. I am not so, I mean, I just think about that moment, but when our kids feel and we can mask, we can put on a smile, we can put on a brave face, but our kids know when we are unhappy, unfulfilled, resentful, if there's like a riff in that's unspoken. I mean, our nervous systems absorb that, and we have to do the work in adulthood of, like, decalcifying that and healing that. So to your point of it being additive, when our children see us as the mother, Like, we are the energetic Yeah. Thermostat.
Cait Scudder:Yeah. When our kids see us fulfilled, happy, lit up, it's such a gift.
Kate Northrup:It's such a gift. So that's one. And then this second piece around, like, relationship and however much money is earned from whichever, whoever, whatever. And, like, this comes up with my clients when they actually, this is not like a primary thing, but it's coming from time to time Mhmm. Where someone has, inherited money or they are a a woman who there is money coming in from another source where she didn't quote, unquote earn it.
Kate Northrup:There's also a habitual separation and disconnection from it in terms of, like, that's not mine, which is such a waste of good money. Oh my gosh. That's not helping anybody. So either way, if we put up a line and a separation of, like, whose is what, what did I earn, how my like, it's just separating us from the abundance that's available.
Cait Scudder:A 100%. And I just come back to, that doesn't help anyone. It doesn't help anyone. Pretending. Exactly.
Cait Scudder:Feeling like contracted, shame, guilt, that's not helping anyone. And I think that that's where looking at this, like, taking a few steps back, like, softening our gaze and looking at this more from like a divine and cosmic standpoint, if we have, for whatever reason, through inheritance, through a settlement, through whatever it is, this money to steward in this lifetime. I mean, that word stewardship is so essential to me because it's like, it doesn't really matter how it came in. I mean, sure. There's, like, dodgy ways that one can, you know, make money, and I'm not suggesting that we do that in the name of stewardship.
Cait Scudder:But if we come into money, whatever that means, and I also have worked with some clients who've struggled with that feeling of, like, feeling like it's theirs or feeling okay to, like, sink into that. When we steward from that energy of, like, creating a better world and creating more abundance through the abundance that we have, that is the gift. And contracting, pretending like we don't, hiding it, feeling guilty around it, it that is not stewardship.
Kate Northrup:No. It's really not. And and I feel called to bring up something that, my friend and former coach, Ra Gaddis, said to me one time in a in a, conversation we were having. It was like a public conversation of some kind. I can't remember what it was, But she was just like, yeah.
Kate Northrup:So privilege guilt is over. Like, that's not that's not the game we're playing because as you said, it's not helping anyone, and it's back to the tallying. And as opposed to, like, okay. Let's get all the things in the pot. Let's work with what we've got.
Kate Northrup:Let's be aware in that whatever that part of the brain is.
Cait Scudder:What was it again? Default mode network.
Kate Northrup:The default mode network. Like, now that that's expanded, we can be far more aware of other people and their needs and the needs of the collective and the energetic tone of the family, the human family, all of that. So beautiful. Yes. Okay.
Kate Northrup:So, I want people to know where they can come to find you, and then we also have a special link that they can go to to find out about your masterclass. So first, tell people where to come find you, and then we'll send that out.
Cait Scudder:Percent. This is so great. Could do this all day. So I have a podcast, the millionaire mother podcast. Wherever podcasts are found, Apple and Spotify are great.
Cait Scudder:I'm on Instagram, so definitely come say hi on Instagram. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Your Instagram is great.
Cait Scudder:The millionaire mother. And my website is forthcoming. That will be the millionaire mother dot com, but you can get your name on the list if you wanna be on there. I've got a fun newsletter called The Millionaire Mother Diaries where I share the bloopers and behind the scenes and forming thoughts and scribbles from my notes app. I love that.
Cait Scudder:So that's also really fun.
Kate Northrup:But, yeah, the podcast, Instagram, and the diaries are great. Amazing. And you have this masterclass coming up called maternal wealth. Yes. So tell us a little bit about that, and then I'll tell people where to go find it.
Cait Scudder:Okay. Great. So maternal wealth is a 2 hour. It's one day, but it's a 2 hour immersion, which in some ways might seem like a lot as a mama, but I'm just like, book the babysitter, put on the movie, buy a new coloring book and some crayons. Like, do what you gotta do.
Cait Scudder:Come for these 2 hours. So it is a somatic and strategic business workshop. So I am guiding people through a process, which is a somatic exercise, and then we're unpacking strategy. And it really goes back to that root of mater and looking at what does it look like when we create from our maternal biological selves, that advantage, that part of our brain, that part of our body, that part of our being. How do we approach wealth building differently?
Cait Scudder:How do we approach expression differently? And I'm what I'm most excited about in this workshop is that people are gonna feel it in their bodies. This is not just another, like, scribble all the notes and remember the key things. There will be some of that, but this is about giving you a taste of this in your body so you're like, oh, that's what she means. Yeah.
Cait Scudder:And you have it to walk away with. So I am so excited. We've had over 10,000, mothers join us in the last couple events that we've run, and this one, I feel like, is gonna be just out of the park. So I'm really pumped.
Kate Northrup:Amazing. Amazing. So folks can go to katenorthrup.comforward/ maternal in order to sign up for that.
Cait Scudder:I
Kate Northrup:am. You know you're speaking my language with, like, get it in the body, and then you will remember it forever. Yes. And I'm curious. One more thing I I wanna ask you about.
Kate Northrup:Like, there's matter, like, all things physical and mother. Right? Same word, root word, matter.
Cait Scudder:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:But, like, also what matters. Yes. Right? And so that, to me, feels like this crucial element of, like, this is what really matters. Do you know is that the same
Cait Scudder:It is. Root word? It is. Totally. And it all comes back to, like, like, something that we can hold on to.
Cait Scudder:When you think about, oh my gosh. It's gonna make me cry. Think about my little baby's hands. Oh my god. What can we hold on to?
Cait Scudder:It's like, it is the matter. It is the mother mother, and it is what matters. So it is all the root.
Kate Northrup:I love you.
Cait Scudder:I love you
Kate Northrup:so much.
Cait Scudder:To be here. So good. Jerk at
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