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Stacey Flaster and Dori Goldman are two ladies obsessed with cults and true crime. Join them as they take us into the depths of some of the most notorious cults, crimes, and killers that the world has ever known. They consume content and ask deep dark questions that only a certified expert can answer... enter Dr. John Mayer. Dr. John is an internationally known Forensic Psychologist and expert on violent behavior and crime prevention, with 35 years of experience consulting to law enforcement and testifying in hundreds of court cases as an expert witness. He is the "Real Deal" and will help Stacey and Dori get to the bottom of of their curious criminal minds.
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Stacey
Today we're looking at a story that sits right at the intersection of fame, power, and control. Inside, one of the most recognizable shows in television history, The Price Is Right.
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Dori
For decades, it felt untouchable. Bright lights, simple joy. A host everyone trusted.
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Stacey
And at the center of it all was Bob Barker, a figure who built a reputation on warmth, consistency and total command of that stage.
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Dori
But offstage, the narrative wasn't nearly as clean. There were lawsuits, accusations, and a pattern of behavior that raised serious questions about what was happening behind the scenes.
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Stacey
This isn't about tearing down a legacy for the sake of it. It's about looking at the full picture, what power can look like when it goes unchecked, and how long it can stay hidden when the public image is so carefully maintained.
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Dori
Because the same system that creates icons can also protect them.
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Stacey
And when the truth does come out, it forces a very different conversation about who we trust and why.
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Dori
So today, we're taking a closer look, not at the game, but at the reality behind it.
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Speaker 1
Outside my window. It's only raining.
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Speaker 1
When the wind blows in. I feel pain.
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Unknown
And I don't need no doctors.
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Speaker 1
Maybe I'm not sick. My body's been lined up. I've broken up cells in every.
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Speaker 1
May.
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Stacey
Well, this was an interesting, episode to me. I had no idea that Bob Barker was such a sort of manipulative, controlling person. Did you?
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Dori
Stacy was.
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Stacey
So depressing.
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Dori
He was the animal guy. He is the one who first taught me about spaying and neutering.
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Stacey
Neutering?
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Dori
Yeah, and being an animal lover. This crushed me. I really, honestly had. I didn't like I wasn't. I'm not a big game show watcher, so, I mean, I remember watching The Price Was Right as a kid, but I, I wasn't like, I think there was maybe like a summer or two that I was into it. But other than that, I wasn't really that into it.
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Stacey
I was into it. I watched it a lot. I loved You were a junkie. I love that showdown. Wait, so not the grand prize game. That's Bozo the showdown. That's the show. Show?
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Dori
That was a showcase, showcase showdown.
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Stacey
And I loved that because you'd see the first prize. And the first prize was always kind of like a lame, like, kitchen and, like, read, you know, or like a couch and a love seat and a coffee table. And that was always the first showcase. But then the second showcase was like Hawaii and a new car.
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Dori
Right? You know.
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Stacey
And, you know, dead to me. I was like, everyone's going to pick the second one because this happened was always better, you know?
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Dori
Always.
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Stacey
I loved that show. I loved it, and I loved him. And here I am watching this, you know, this documentary, one of the episodes of Dirty Rotten Scandals, which has other, other episodes featuring other people. But, you know, I never thought about this. And then once it's pointed out.
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Dori
He would,
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Stacey
make people put their hand in his pocket to get right.
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Dori
Now they touching his dick. Like, why would like that? Right. Like, well what. So we had in my pocket though. So Richard Dawson, right. Was like the Kissing Bandit on Family Feud. And then you had Bob Barker doing like, the the hand and the pocket thing, which is a hand grab can you imagine that nowadays? I know I do have to say though, I was I always loved the Barker Beauties because like, I was always into Holly, who was actually one of the people who one of the three Barker beauties that actually took part in this documentary to talk about what a scumbag barker and also the producers and really the whole, really
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Dori
CBS
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Dori
or whoever the network was at the time.
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Dori
How awful they were. But Holly, I loved because Holly was the one with the darker hair. She had the red hair, she wasn't blond, and she had the shorter hair, which I always appreciated.
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Stacey
Yeah. You know, it's funny, I remember seeing those women then. And then when they were interviewed, I was like, wow, they had an important role in this show, but it didn't register with me, you know what I mean? Like, back then it was like, oh, they're pretty girls going like this with their arms, presenting, presenting things and putting their hand over the car and then having little jokes back and forth with, Bob Barker.
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Stacey
But I guess I never saw it negatively in any capacity.
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Dori
Well, little did we know that Barker was banging Diane. So Diana Nyad, without any right eye. Hand without any heat. Right. She lost Betty, probably to Bob Barker. Yeah. So they were, they were kind of having a relationship for a while. Right. So
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Dori
So Barker had a wife for many years that he loved who passed away. And that that.
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Stacey
Was sort of the turning point for him wasn't.
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Dori
Right. And as soon as she passed away, then he went down this like misogynistic, total asshole path where it's almost like, again, with these men, they're just emboldened to kind of like, do whatever they want, say whatever they want, treat women so terribly. And it was well known, I guess, that the price is right. Right. That like Bob and the producers treated women like second class citizens.
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Speaker 1
There was a prevailing attitude that the men were the decision makers, and women were just accessories.
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Speaker 2
If you look at the way the show was staff back in the day, it was very much an all boys club. There just so clearly from a different era and Bob Barker, the guy with the power, he would dictate the culture of the workplace.
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Speaker 1
I had some recurring, characters that I would play. I remember the French maid.
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Speaker 2
Yes, folks are hard working. Models are never finished until they take care of Bob.
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Speaker 1
Barker at home. And when we did sketches, everything was catered to. Bob because he liked the attention and the power that it gave him. That was their mindset. Women should just be voluptuous. Moveable props. You know, you go out, you stand next to a boat and you're wearing a bathing suit. They put us in bathing suits. Every opportunity they got.
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Speaker 1
And they like to remind us, Janice, Diane and I, that we were replaceable so that we would never feel secure. The producers would call us every week and say, we would like to use you this week. Like we were just weekly contract players when actually we were a huge part of the show, but they never wanted us to think that or know that.
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Speaker 1
I remember one year Frank came to me and said, we really need a model who can fill out a bathing suit. I would advise you to use your hiatus wisely, meaning I had to go get breast implants and I had to pay for it myself. And they could do that back then. They could tell you you're going to get breast implants, and there was nothing you could say.
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Stacey
would you consider it harassment or would you consider it more just chauvinistic and, you know, you know, degrading, I guess.
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Dori
I guess it would be maybe a little bit of both, I guess. Really the degrade like a, like, okay, so remind me there was also a woman who worked. Was it in the office there or who worked on.
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Stacey
The woman that was one of the producers, I believe, producer. She was a producer. And she, she enjoyed the job, but it was not, like, ideal, you know.
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Dori
But the atmosphere over. Right. Was she passed it over to to be like, the executive producer.
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Stacey
I want to say yes. It's you.
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Dori
That chauvinist dick, degrading type of environment where men were kings and women just had to look good. That's how they thought about the whole. And Barker was an executive producer on the show and he could have done things differently. So that's kind of what I. Oh, Linda the producer. Yes. Linda, the producer who was passed over for executive producer.
00:10:06:18 - 00:10:10:01
Stacey
But they I mean, she's a woman. She can't have a great job, right?
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Dori
Right. Damn her. That's kind of what I kind of got from like, from watching it is that women literally were treated like shit on that show, but it ran and it's still running now. I'm sure it's a totally different environment now. Yes, but.
00:10:26:16 - 00:10:32:19
Stacey
It's it's probably a different environment. But like, ironically, I feel like.
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Dori
The world.
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Stacey
The country right now is a little bit going back to that degrading women thing. You know, it's, you know, I don't know, I'm afraid, but I even talked to somebody the other day, I, I don't remember where. Oh, my friend who's a music director and she works on Broadway. She told me how much she makes. She didn't tell me the amount that she makes at a job, but she said if I was a man, I would make way more than what I'm making.
00:11:00:14 - 00:11:14:01
Stacey
And I said, how do you know? She goes, because I know. This is it's I don't understand this, this mentality that that developed and why it's continuing to be pervasive throughout everything.
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Dori
Well, I think because it's like a lot of things are based in fear and, people have conflict because of fear. And the fear is that women are going to rule. And honestly, women do rule and men drool. That's just my thinking about it. But no, I agree. I mean, look at what happened to so like the, the, the women who were fired over the years, like the Barker beauties, a lot of them were fired.
00:11:43:23 - 00:12:08:22
Dori
Producers were fired a lot just cleans house. They just house when he needs to. And then what? Kudos to them for going up against these behemoths, these men in power and suing them.
00:12:08:24 - 00:12:17:20
Speaker 1
They really did me dirty. I wasn't going to sit around, just let this happen to me and be a victim. They messed with the wrong one.
00:12:17:22 - 00:12:42:23
Speaker 1
I remember the day can't work. And the end of every show. A model goes out and has the microphone and gets to, like, say hello to the audience. So I got the microphone and I said, I just want to say something. Damn, I get one feeling like this already. I was like, I can't do this anymore. The stuff I have to deal with behind the scenes, I can't do it anymore.
00:12:42:23 - 00:13:07:07
Speaker 1
And I'm going to miss this. But this is my last day. I found the lawyer that was representing Holly. Holly's case definitely gave me strength. And especially since I have the same lawyer, I felt like I had a great case and they got hit with their paperwork the next day. They made my life a living hell, and I was determined to return the favor.
00:13:07:09 - 00:13:30:24
Dori
You've got Janice, who? I think she's still alive. Right? Janice, that wasn't part of the documentary. And then Diane also sued because Diane was let go after she was having an affair with Bob Barker, and they would get into shouting matches, and then she was let go.
00:13:31:01 - 00:13:54:24
Dori
And I. It's total harassment in the workplace. I mean, it's absolutely harassment in the workplace. But again, I go back to the whole thing that his image, Bob Barker's image was one of he this guy who was great. He's such a nice guy. He's your grandpa. He loves animals and he was a total dick.
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Stacey
It's so many fans. I mean, people were like, remember lining up just Bob Barker? He's like almost like represented like America or Americana like this. Sort of like, you know, this good looking, charismatic man in the show. And, and if you got on the show and you and you got your name picked, you'd run down and you'd see the girl's boobs bouncing up and down, it was like, you know, it was like exciting.
00:14:21:01 - 00:14:28:23
Dori
We didn't even bring up the subject of racism. There was also racism going on.
00:14:29:01 - 00:14:31:10
Stacey
Massive racist massacre.
00:14:31:11 - 00:14:58:02
Dori
And the producers would be like, don't call. We can only have one black contestant at a time or what. So, like, think about that. Think about having these ratios and also two with the Barker beauties as well. They were kind of forced to bring on an African American, right throughout it. And I know Claudia Jordan was the later one.
00:14:58:02 - 00:15:25:02
Dori
What was the woman's name who was interviewed, in the documentary, not Claudia, who, who really blew, who really blew up this case, like, she was one of the main ones who got, when when she was let go. But there was the the one, Kathleen. The one. Kathleen Bradley. Kathleen Bradley, who was the first the first black Parker beauty.
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Dori
And she was awesome. She looks like she sounded like gorgeous and. Oh, yeah, cute and beautiful. Like, she sounded kind of more like, well, this is how it was. Where I think the other women were like, for you, to everybody, this is we're being treated like complete crap.
00:15:44:16 - 00:16:02:18
Stacey
You know, the thing is, is that, you know, she was so happy to be on the show and she really, you know, was great for her. So there are two things working there. She knows about the racism and addresses that. But also there's the thing of I'm here though, you know, she seemed very composed and really sure of herself.
00:16:02:20 - 00:16:05:08
Stacey
And then there was the second African-American woman, that's.
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Dori
Claudia Jordan.
00:16:06:19 - 00:16:09:14
Stacey
That's Claudia, and she's gorgeous and funny.
00:16:09:18 - 00:16:14:04
Dori
A Real Housewife of, Atlanta. Oh, I do Housewives of Atlanta.
00:16:14:06 - 00:16:28:15
Stacey
Oh, I didn't know that. But the thing that was the most, really disgusting moment is when that African-American man tried to touch him or shake his hand, and he said he pulled away. They said, get away from me.
00:16:28:17 - 00:16:31:23
Dori
This was Bob Barker. He tried to tell Barker yes.
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Stacey
On the show, when they were spinning the wheel and and he was like, get away, don't touch me.
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Speaker 1
And then I thought, I hear that they were only allowed to have two black contestants on the show at a time, and that was a direct instruction from Bob Barker. And to let Barca know the race of the contestant that's about to come on down, they would have the letter B written on the card.
00:17:07:19 - 00:17:19:14
Speaker 3
I think he just didn't care to be that close to somebody that was not white. It was pretty sad.
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Speaker 1
A black contestant may try to hug a marker, and he would kind of shrink away from them.
00:17:27:17 - 00:17:38:18
Unknown
And Don has run a car on the prize. The rest of the car, though, don't exactly know. Don't touch me.
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Speaker 1
How shitty is that?
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Speaker 2
That culture of racism started at the top and trickled down. I think it's very sad because these are all people that are looking to live that dream. And as a fan of the show is just super unfortunate.
00:17:57:05 - 00:18:01:15
Stacey
I don't know what his problem is. I mean, I just think he mentioned you.
00:18:01:21 - 00:18:08:11
Dori
I'm so glad you brought that up, because that, I think, epitomizes who the real Bob Barker really was.
00:18:08:16 - 00:18:10:01
Stacey
Yeah. Don't touch me.
00:18:10:03 - 00:18:35:03
Dori
Yeah. And I don't like that. I think that there have been, I think that there is a producer that worked on the show for like 38 years. I read who came out with a, kind of like a retraction thing, like you weren't there like this is, you know, like one day I'll talk about it, but I don't buy into when people say, oh, those were the times.
00:18:35:05 - 00:18:44:22
Dori
Oh, yes, sir, I'm sorry for the times. I get that. Certain things were the times, but I don't I don't like that as an excuse at.
00:18:44:23 - 00:19:06:09
Stacey
Not a good excuse to be horrifying and racist and, you know, and sexist and all these things. Yes, of course. But again, like I said, it's all coming back. We're all we're getting a resurgence of trad wives and, you know, traditional women, not working or voting or doing anything. But I, I tell you guys, like whenever I go on this tangent, you guys.
00:19:06:11 - 00:19:09:07
Dori
I love a tragic life. Reference. Yeah.
00:19:09:09 - 00:19:30:10
Stacey
I yeah. Well, you know, these women and especially Holly, I have to tell you, she was extremely brave to go, and she had a lawsuit, that she brought up against Bob Barker. And correct me if I'm wrong and Doctor John can, She said they settled that, but she did not give up on that lawsuit.
00:19:30:10 - 00:19:38:11
Dori
It took years, and I didn't give up in years, and they were not making that much money as the Barker Beauties.
00:19:38:13 - 00:19:48:12
Stacey
Ten years our our man who's in the room. He might be embarrassed to come in if he, you know, he's going to be embarrassed to come in. But to be with all of these women.
00:19:48:12 - 00:19:51:22
Dori
I have, I have one thing to say before we invite.
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Stacey
In. Yes, that I agree. So join to join John's beauties.
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Dori
Oh, yeah. Word, word that word. We're mayors. Beauties.
00:20:01:12 - 00:20:02:21
Stacey
Mayors, beauties. Yeah.
00:20:02:21 - 00:20:07:00
Dori
We're mayors. We actually now, after John is our beauty.
00:20:07:02 - 00:20:08:04
Stacey
He is a beautiful man.
00:20:08:04 - 00:20:31:16
Dori
It's let's let's be let's be realistic. But something. Okay. Wait. So something that just made me think about this really has nothing to do with the press. This, right. However, it has something to do with, like, thinking like things back in the day are bad and now they're good. Oh, doctor Jackie, through the little tiny people, he he wrote, mayors maidens.
00:20:31:18 - 00:20:33:07
Stacey
We are mayors maidens.
00:20:33:07 - 00:20:49:12
Dori
Yeah. But I did want to just bring up this really quick thing, because this made me think about, like, what was like, you know, what we say was, okay, back in the day. And now I was listening to sports radio, which I often do. Actually, it's really the only thing I listen to when I'm doing A window.
00:20:49:12 - 00:20:50:20
Stacey
Into Your life, I like it.
00:20:50:20 - 00:21:27:07
Dori
Yeah, yeah, it's only sports radio, but they had a guy on who they have on all the time, but he mentioned that, one an athlete was wearing a wife beater, and I went, oh, literally. In my mind, I'm like, are we still referring to sleeveless shirts as a wife beater? Oh yes we are. I remember also back in the day we would say Dago tee, do you did you ever say that?
00:21:27:09 - 00:21:28:01
Dori
Yeah.
00:21:28:03 - 00:21:31:12
Stacey
I mean, I don't know if I personally said it, but I heard it.
00:21:31:14 - 00:21:58:18
Dori
Right. But like, that's kind of what we would refer to. Like one of those like, you know, like but hearing it in 2026, as I was driving, hearing a wife beater, I went, oh my God, I, I, I was like, how disgusting that he would say the I don't know, I'm sure no one said one word. It's all guys obviously talking on sports radio.
00:21:58:22 - 00:22:10:15
Dori
But it clock to me for sure. And that's kind of what I think about like with all of this, like, you know, like Bach, there's no excuse for that type of behavior even back in the day. But there's.
00:22:10:15 - 00:22:10:22
Stacey
No.
00:22:10:22 - 00:22:12:03
Dori
Sense. Well, and.
00:22:12:03 - 00:22:30:19
Stacey
Also of a man of that much importance. But you know what a wife beater always reminds me of? And I don't like to say that at all, is like, Stan, you, Stanley Kowalski, and in. Yes, yeah. It's like that character with a cigaret and a tattoo and a beer and, screaming, you know, that's.
00:22:30:21 - 00:22:39:21
Dori
Why we call it that. It's a reason why, I guess, that they used to refer to it as a wife beater, and why in 2026, we should never refer to.
00:22:39:21 - 00:22:41:21
Stacey
Can't we just call it an undershirt?
00:22:41:23 - 00:22:58:24
Dori
I mean, what it is. So we were told that we have listeners in Kazakhstan. So hopefully in Kazakhstan, they are not utilizing this phrasing for a sleeveless shirt. And on that note, I think we need to bring in the doctor.
00:22:59:00 - 00:23:03:07
Stacey
I think I think it's time he's wearing a undershirt, not.
00:23:03:07 - 00:23:03:23
Dori
A
00:23:04:02 - 00:23:08:22
Unknown
Oh. They.
00:23:08:24 - 00:23:17:14
Dr. John Mayer
Just as a correction for our audience, I have a tie and a shirt on and a collar and a vest. Not.
00:23:17:15 - 00:23:20:24
Dori
He's not wearing any pants.
00:23:21:01 - 00:23:24:14
Stacey
Oh.
00:23:24:16 - 00:23:26:18
Dori
Oh, wow. He's he's he's wearing.
00:23:26:18 - 00:23:30:02
Stacey
Jeans, actually, which is cool. It looks nice.
00:23:30:02 - 00:23:32:15
Dr. John Mayer
Oh, I can be cool every once in a while.
00:23:32:17 - 00:23:34:21
Dori
You're very cool.
00:23:34:23 - 00:23:58:15
Dr. John Mayer
As usual. Both of you, I, I sit in the screening room and and it's torture because there's so much that I want to comment on, you know, and I think the theme, theme of this, hour episode is, you know, remember that old song? You you both would know this song better than I don't let your.
00:23:58:17 - 00:24:03:02
Dr. John Mayer
What is it, ma'am? Don't let your boys grow up to be cowboys or something.
00:24:03:04 - 00:24:07:16
Dori
Don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys.
00:24:07:16 - 00:24:46:13
Dr. John Mayer
Well, I think the theme of our show is don't let your babies grow up to be models. Because it seems like all they, get is to be abused and, defied, objectified and subjugated by the male, oligarchy that exists throughout the whole world, you know? And yeah, I in discussions like this and I mean this sincerely from my heart, I often am so embarrassed to be a guy because look at the treatment of these women on this show is absolutely abusive, appalling.
00:24:46:15 - 00:25:16:06
Dr. John Mayer
You know, I, I often term I use a term in the podcast of psychological murder. You know, it's like these women I've changed for the rest of their life because of what this, this total pig ass, you know, had done to them. And, a couple of things you said that I want to I'm curious about. Dory said that things changed once his wife died, but I, I don't know, I didn't get that.
00:25:16:06 - 00:25:20:12
Dr. John Mayer
I thought this was brewing for a long time, which makes it.
00:25:20:14 - 00:25:21:22
Stacey
Introducing, you know.
00:25:22:03 - 00:25:24:06
Dr. John Mayer
Makes it more of a page, by the way.
00:25:24:08 - 00:25:54:18
Dori
Well, and I think, didn't they say that she kept him kind of in check? Like she was like, I, I don't know, I did get the sense that he was I mean, listen, John, you're the one who's the doctor. You can definitely tell us. Like, obviously he was the way he was his whole life. Like, it doesn't just change because of the wife, but maybe it becomes more emboldened that he can just be so awful to women and others once she passed away.
00:25:54:20 - 00:26:22:24
Dr. John Mayer
Well, it's like that serial killer we talked about. Who was the truck driver, right? And when he was at home, he was, you know, not the doting husband, you know, and, you know, obedient. But the freedom he got being on the road unleashed the monster. And I think that that dynamic is operating here with Bob Barker and and I hadn't thought about that listening to the show, the documentary.
00:26:22:24 - 00:26:48:10
Dr. John Mayer
But now that I think about it, you know, away from home, he was this monster at home. Maybe he was, you know, the All-American guy to was a Mary Jo was her name or. Yeah, Dorothy Jo Dorsey. Jo was his wife. High school sweetheart. You know, you both were saying, you know, this guy was portrayed as, you know, just the epitome of American male, right?
00:26:48:10 - 00:26:55:11
Dr. John Mayer
And maybe all American because he was that underneath. He was an absolute monster pig. You know, I didn't I.
00:26:55:11 - 00:26:55:19
Dori
Don't.
00:26:55:21 - 00:26:56:18
Stacey
Mean qualities at.
00:26:56:18 - 00:27:12:15
Dr. John Mayer
All. I don't think so. I didn't I never watched the show like you both did. So when you both talked about having people put their hands in his pocket to get what notes or get clues for the get.
00:27:12:17 - 00:27:20:14
Stacey
A clue, or, like, reach into my pocket and take out a coin or whatever, a ticket I can't remember or a dollar.
00:27:20:16 - 00:27:21:09
Dr. John Mayer
Did he get in a race?
00:27:21:10 - 00:27:25:18
Stacey
You know what they did? No, that's that's a good it's a good question.
00:27:25:18 - 00:27:28:22
Dr. John Mayer
I was invisible to the camera, you know, you see a little bit.
00:27:28:24 - 00:27:38:08
Dori
Well guess what goes on. He this one this well in this documentary was on E! So I don't think that they could really go into it too much. Right, right.
00:27:38:11 - 00:28:05:00
Stacey
Probably not. But you know the thing, you know, the way he interacted with those people in the audience was just really schmoozing and really like, you know, and making them feel it. There was something I never saw it this way, but I always saw it as positive. He's just a nice guy and he's a game show host. But now, looking back on all that stuff because I again, I told you I watched the show a lot, a lot with him.
00:28:05:02 - 00:28:05:08
Stacey
Because.
00:28:05:08 - 00:28:07:06
Dr. John Mayer
You've been together with him, you were holding hands.
00:28:07:06 - 00:28:16:05
Stacey
On a case with Bob Barker. Yes. Holding his hand, staring into his deep eyes. Yes. Story.
00:28:16:07 - 00:28:53:17
Dori
Well, no. You had mentioned the thing about the, the black man like comment after. What about the women to who wanted to kiss him? If it was an African American woman who. What? They did that clip and he was running away like he was running away from a fire burning, right? It just shows the character of of him and the racism and the disgusting ness that was Bob Barker.
00:28:53:19 - 00:29:28:17
Speaker 2
next thing you know, I get a call from Bob's girlfriend and everyone knew that Bob was cheating on her with Diane, and she said, I know that Bob is sleeping with Diane. And I said, well, let's put it this way. She dates a lot and she targets celebrities. And she said, oh, like who? And I rattled off this list of celebrities, including several black men.
00:29:28:19 - 00:30:02:23
Speaker 2
And she said, oh my gosh. Bob has no idea that he has had sex with a woman who has had sex with black men. Bob has always said that black men are the most disease people on earth. It was horrible. It was horrible. Was I surprised? No. He fit the profile. Rich old, white, entitled.
00:30:03:00 - 00:30:04:23
Dr. John Mayer
And you know, what is,
00:30:05:00 - 00:30:06:22
Dr. John Mayer
ironic about his racism
00:30:07:01 - 00:30:30:10
Dr. John Mayer
is that I did a little I did a little spacey investigation, after I watched the documentary, because there was nothing on the documentary about his upbringing or him before he was a talk show host, where a lot of our cameras give it at least a little hint. And then, yeah, you know, our job is to to do what we do, which is, the, the how and why behind things.
00:30:30:12 - 00:31:00:12
Dr. John Mayer
So I looked up because there's nothing on him about his upbringing. So I did a little digging, and he was raised on a Indian reservation. Is his father. His father is one fourth Indian, Lakota Sioux, in South Dakota. Mother is a schoolteacher on the reservation. Now, she has no Indian blood, but, they had had past tense, no Indian blood.
00:31:00:12 - 00:31:03:15
Dr. John Mayer
But, isn't it ironic? He was so.
00:31:03:18 - 00:31:04:11
Dori
That is.
00:31:04:11 - 00:31:09:04
Dr. John Mayer
This. That. And he was American Indian, a minority, you know.
00:31:09:06 - 00:31:10:15
Stacey
Oh. So interesting.
00:31:10:19 - 00:31:13:12
Dr. John Mayer
Yeah, I found it fascinating.
00:31:13:14 - 00:31:15:14
Stacey
It's not what I expected you to say.
00:31:15:16 - 00:31:37:07
Dr. John Mayer
Yeah, yeah. Did it make him maybe angry? If, you know, minorities, you know, did he and I have a tie in to a lot of things, and I might as well spew it out right now. His whole, animal rights,
00:31:37:09 - 00:31:39:22
Stacey
Persona campaign or whatever. Yeah.
00:31:39:24 - 00:32:05:03
Dr. John Mayer
Thank you. Think about this. Is that. Yeah. So let's bay and neuter. Interesting. Spay and neuter. And what? How did he treat the the women on the show in a sense, like objects or animals. You know, he, he, he treated them a lot like he, he would probably have treated an animal member. There was Janice, who you both referenced.
00:32:05:03 - 00:32:11:17
Dr. John Mayer
And she was mentioned on the documentary, if you recall. She fell on the stage.
00:32:11:19 - 00:32:12:08
Stacey
Oh, yeah.
00:32:12:08 - 00:32:15:19
Dr. John Mayer
That was during, one of the tapings.
00:32:15:21 - 00:32:16:06
Stacey
Yes.
00:32:16:10 - 00:32:44:24
Dr. John Mayer
Bob treats it like as if, you know, your cat fell off the porch or whatever. And so it's like, okay, it's the show must go on. Don't we don't attend to it. We. There was no empathy. I mean, there's that stark coldness just came over. So the point is, is that there's there's some tight psychological tie in between him and all this animal stuff and even spay and neuter ring.
00:32:45:01 - 00:32:57:03
Dori
Well, I think that Betty White is rolling in her grave right now because Betty White was an angel with animals. So let's just so I would not ever like.
00:32:57:03 - 00:33:01:03
Stacey
Betty White is my God. So I am not going to, you know.
00:33:01:05 - 00:33:08:08
Dori
And I park her away from because and let's move all of our energy over to Betty White for animal.
00:33:08:13 - 00:33:18:24
Stacey
But no, but it is interesting. Do you think he chose this platform, or do you think it was given to him so that he would. So it would show some sort of outreach of some kind to some kind of thing, you know what I mean? Like, why animals.
00:33:18:24 - 00:33:38:02
Dori
For like the animals they showed him with some. I'm sure he did have an affinity for animals, but he really did. It wasn't just the platform of adopt an animal. His thing was spay and neuter, which I do think is a cause that a lot of people do not talk about, ever.
00:33:38:04 - 00:33:39:16
Stacey
No, I agree, I mean.
00:33:39:18 - 00:33:41:13
Dori
I'm a big proponent of it.
00:33:41:15 - 00:33:42:06
Stacey
My dog just.
00:33:42:12 - 00:34:05:16
Dr. John Mayer
Gets a my hands on mine. But again, think of that tie in. I don't know if you're both getting the tie in and making, you know, animals and women you pet. You know, you just, maybe put a little balls in their hair. You dress them up? Yeah, dress them up. You get them groomed. Not like Stacy grooms her dog.
00:34:05:16 - 00:34:09:18
Dr. John Mayer
That was a little bizarre. But then don't.
00:34:09:20 - 00:34:11:20
Stacey
Talk like that. She's sitting here.
00:34:11:22 - 00:34:13:23
Dr. John Mayer
Yeah, I hope her hair is growing and.
00:34:14:04 - 00:34:15:16
Stacey
Her hair is growing. And. Yeah.
00:34:15:18 - 00:34:18:13
Dr. John Mayer
Dori and I were ready to call the authority.
00:34:18:13 - 00:34:20:20
Stacey
You guys were embarrassed. I know, I'm so sorry.
00:34:20:21 - 00:34:22:09
Dr. John Mayer
It was almost cruel.
00:34:22:11 - 00:34:24:00
Stacey
So you're. Are you making you see that tie?
00:34:24:01 - 00:34:25:01
Dr. John Mayer
If you see that tie.
00:34:25:01 - 00:34:25:17
Dori
In with him.
00:34:25:17 - 00:34:29:18
Stacey
I'm saying that we need to sterilize people. I did. You have children I don't got.
00:34:29:18 - 00:34:53:01
Dori
I don't know if I see that, but I, I'm all. I mean, I can recognize it, but I think he treated women like complete and utter garbage because as he grew in his career and got more power, it's usually about the power. He was emblazoned to do whatever the f he wanted to do. That show was going nowhere.
00:34:53:01 - 00:35:11:10
Dori
It wasn't going to be canceled. He could do it. Whether it made like great ratings. It's the it was the number one game show. Why would he have to treat women well or treat, you know, minorities well? He didn't even have to.
00:35:11:12 - 00:35:37:08
Dr. John Mayer
Well, let's get that. Brings me to the meat of the psychological analysis of of this guy. What we're seeing is narcissism developed purely because the early tapes of him remember the early tapes when he first got to be the host of the show, he was just this enthusiastic, eager, shiny guy. You know, I it's great to be on here.
00:35:37:10 - 00:36:01:13
Dr. John Mayer
And you see, if you look carefully, you see him develop rather into the Bob Barker that you're talking about, you know, you know, I'm in control. The contestants can't come and touch me. I believe blatantly on the air. And it was kept in the taping of the show where that black guy was chasing him to shake his hand, and he's going, no, leave me alone.
00:36:01:17 - 00:36:17:19
Stacey
It's really disgusting. And and and very, like, raw, like, because, you know, maybe Bob didn't expect to have that response and it it just was it was ugly. You know, it was it made me.
00:36:17:21 - 00:36:43:06
Dr. John Mayer
So tell me so telling this guy's pathology. Yeah. And what I want to tie in is this narcissism, how it developed. You know, again it comes on he's, you know, bright and shiny and eager to do this. And then he develops into this, this ogre. So what we have here and this is so important for our audience is unchecked narcissism.
00:36:43:08 - 00:37:13:08
Dr. John Mayer
He created the you know, when his daughter said or was a Stacy that, you know, he became executive producer, the documentary did a good job of how he built himself to be in total control of the show. You know, above, even the producer who was a nepotism hire and he sounded like he was a total pig. But he builds this, this empire and he's unchecked.
00:37:13:10 - 00:37:49:00
Speaker 2
When Bob took over executive producer, he controlled with an absolutely ruthless iron fist. If something happened on set, like if he didn't have a prop that he was supposed to have, or if there was stop downs during taping. If it made him angry, he had to just shred someone a cameraman, a cable puller, anyone venting his rage without ever considering how humiliating this was to whoever he was shredding.
00:37:49:02 - 00:37:55:24
Speaker 2
And he didn't care. He didn't care.
00:37:56:01 - 00:38:06:06
Dr. John Mayer
And the and the message for our audience is, the key to dealing with a narcissist is you have to set rules and boundaries for these people.
00:38:06:08 - 00:38:13:12
Dori
I wish that we could talk to our government about that as well. Setting those, setting those boundaries.
00:38:13:16 - 00:38:18:06
Dr. John Mayer
Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. But that's the key.
00:38:18:08 - 00:38:25:11
Stacey
what do you think? Do you think the power created the monster, or do you think the monster was there and just fed on the power?
00:38:25:13 - 00:38:51:21
Dr. John Mayer
That's tough to say because we don't know too much about the background. I have a theory because again, it's just really spotty information on his his upbringing. But a couple of these facts make sense to me as a forensic psychologist. And that is the following. He was an only child, grew up. His dad was an electrician that worked on the power lines.
00:38:51:23 - 00:39:17:01
Dr. John Mayer
And so he was gone, and he was a foreman. So he would have jobs that were, you know, remote all the time. So we have absent father because of his work. You have a, only child. Mom's a schoolteacher, lives on a reservation. I got a feeling he was the spoiled center of the universe kind of boy, you know?
00:39:17:03 - 00:39:48:11
Dr. John Mayer
Yeah. And he was essentially. Here's the other aspect of that Indian reservation. He's only an eighth Indian because his father was a quarter Indian. So he's the white boy on, the Indian reservation. He's special. So we have this this young man that grows up special. I'm the special one. You know, he was a basketball player. He got a scholarship to, you know, and this is in the 40s when scholarships were rare.
00:39:48:13 - 00:40:00:17
Dr. John Mayer
He was a basketball player. He was a, World War two, pilot. Never got into combat, but he was trained in the military as, Wow.
00:40:00:19 - 00:40:02:02
Stacey
That's in special.
00:40:02:04 - 00:40:07:21
Dr. John Mayer
Special, special special all around him, there's the development of narcissism.
00:40:07:23 - 00:40:10:00
Stacey
Did you have kids? I can't remember, no.
00:40:10:03 - 00:40:11:01
Dr. John Mayer
No children?
00:40:11:03 - 00:40:13:04
Stacey
Yeah, that's interesting too.
00:40:13:06 - 00:40:42:12
Dr. John Mayer
He made a statement that that this is office. Somewhat admirable. But I'll tell you the psychological reason behind it. He said, Dorothy, Joe and I decided not to have children because, you know, we didn't feel we could devote the time to. But what does that say? A child would take away from? I am the center of the world in the book, the child would take some of that attention away from me, and I was in the spotlight all the time.
00:40:42:14 - 00:40:56:04
Dr. John Mayer
And I'm sure you know that's what he got. Well, that's what he created in this whole universe. That's why I say narcissism unchecked is if everybody just fed into their bar, you're great.
00:40:56:06 - 00:41:18:11
Dori
You know what I'm curious about? I'm curious. Like, because he was banging Diane and that went on for years. But I wonder, like, like if this is a this was not addressed at all. But I wonder if he was like, because he did have that wife. Dorothy. What is it, Dorothy? Jo, you keep saying Dorothy. Jo.
00:41:18:17 - 00:41:19:20
Dr. John Mayer
Dorothy, Jo.
00:41:19:22 - 00:41:40:13
Dori
I wonder if he was like a relationship guy. Like, that's what it sounds like. It sounds like he wasn't really that much of a cheater and a philanderer. At least this documentary didn't go into that at all. Not that it would mean anything one way or another, but I am curious, like with Diane, like how that even happened.
00:41:40:13 - 00:42:04:06
Dori
And was he also like, I would think somebody in his in, you know, because he was so powerful, like, was he cheating? Was he banging other ladies or was it he, was he relationship guy kind of like given this platform and like, oh, now there's Diane and I'll just date it. But they sounded like they fought all the time.
00:42:04:06 - 00:42:17:17
Dori
So who knows maybe I don't know, this is just something that just came to me and I'm like, and also, why would she ever fall for Bob Barker? Because wasn't he much older than her too? But women. Women love men in power. Yep. The money Stacy's making.
00:42:17:17 - 00:42:24:24
Dr. John Mayer
Power is intoxicating. You know, power is intoxicating to some women.
00:42:25:01 - 00:42:34:05
Speaker 3
Janice and I first realized long before the rest of the set knew, that Diane and Bob were having sex.
00:42:34:05 - 00:43:00:08
Speaker 4
Diane confided in me. Did you know I'm seeing Bob Barker? I'm like, what? Really? Oh, wow. Okay. I was really kind of surprised because Bob also had a girlfriend. As time went on, people were noticing the audience and the viewers at home, how close Bob and Diane were hugging and looking at each other and playing around and all of that.
00:43:00:10 - 00:43:04:20
Speaker 2
There's nothing. So this is just a big mix up. There's more prizes, right coming up.
00:43:04:22 - 00:43:21:24
Speaker 4
So it's really stay private very long. She would go downstairs during the breaks and go into his dressing room, and that's when some real hankie panky was going on.
00:43:22:01 - 00:43:36:07
Speaker 2
She suggested that I had been so straight laced all my life that I needed some hankie panky in my life. That was the word to use, hankie panky. And she volunteered to provide the hankie panky in my life.
00:43:36:09 - 00:43:56:01
Speaker 5
One day I was walking into the studio and walking past Bob's room. Well, she came walking out of that door, closing her robe with a big smile on her face like, oh, what's what's what's going on here?
00:43:56:03 - 00:44:01:05
Dr. John Mayer
Thankfully, I'm not in the company of those type of women on this show.
00:44:01:07 - 00:44:01:22
Stacey
You know.
00:44:01:24 - 00:44:13:24
Dori
And they did say she got perks, right? Didn't they say once Diane became the girlfriend that they're definitely like she would be more promoted on camera?
00:44:14:00 - 00:44:15:13
Stacey
Yeah. So nine's me.
00:44:15:15 - 00:44:18:17
Dori
This little guy named Corey Feldman.
00:44:18:17 - 00:44:20:12
Stacey
Good angels, you know?
00:44:20:13 - 00:44:21:11
Dr. John Mayer
Yeah.
00:44:21:13 - 00:44:24:17
Stacey
With the with the hierarchy of girls. Sorry. Keep going.
00:44:24:19 - 00:44:35:16
Dori
Yeah. No, no, I was just thinking because of the showcase showdown, like what you said the first showdown was the bad one, but then you'd have Diane come and do the good showcase show.
00:44:35:17 - 00:44:43:16
Stacey
Right? And again, when you won the whole showcase showdown, I think you won both of the showcase.
00:44:43:17 - 00:44:53:07
Dori
You said if you did the numbers. So I think it if you got closest without going over, over both. Right. You did get oh, you got.
00:44:53:07 - 00:45:06:22
Stacey
Both. But again like the first showcase was like, you know, a love seat and a sofa with a coffee table and a bookshelf, you know what I mean? And people would be like, and what's the second one? Everybody's like, okay, the second.
00:45:06:22 - 00:45:11:16
Dori
Brand new car, I a brand new car, what you call.
00:45:11:19 - 00:45:14:21
Dr. John Mayer
Well, let's not promote the show here. Let's. I'm, I'm anxious to what.
00:45:15:01 - 00:45:15:05
Dori
I'm.
00:45:15:05 - 00:45:16:09
Dr. John Mayer
Showing now.
00:45:16:11 - 00:45:16:18
Dori
Wait.
00:45:16:18 - 00:45:18:10
Dr. John Mayer
I want to get on the show.
00:45:18:12 - 00:45:20:20
Stacey
I have a question. I have a question for Dory.
00:45:20:22 - 00:45:22:24
Stacey
Who's your hottie of this episode?
00:45:23:01 - 00:45:25:08
Stacey
She always has a person that she thinks is hot.
00:45:25:08 - 00:45:29:17
Dori
I think maybe Claudia Jordan didn't.
00:45:29:19 - 00:45:31:07
Dori
I don't have a woman.
00:45:31:09 - 00:45:33:18
Dr. John Mayer
So you're. You're shooting both ways,
00:45:33:20 - 00:45:52:06
Dori
Yeah. I really don't swing both ways. I only unfortunately, I only swing one way. But I think that the beauty I can, I can admire beauty. And I think that, Yeah, probably. I mean, they all were really unattractive. I mean, I mean, not that, but, like, how? Like, they're just older, you know, they're just.
00:45:52:06 - 00:45:53:10
Stacey
Yeah. Now they have. Yeah.
00:45:53:10 - 00:46:05:12
Dori
They like, back in the day. I don't think I've never found Bob Barker attractive. We have never had that. You. Mr.. The net bow producer looked really good on the tram.
00:46:05:13 - 00:46:26:17
Dr. John Mayer
Oh. Oh, God. He was. He was a pig. Hey, I want it. I've been dying to pop in, because it's really worth noting for audience. Didn't you love the line that Diane gave when you know it was all over? They had the big argument, and she storms out of his office. Do you remember that line?
00:46:26:19 - 00:46:27:23
Stacey
What did she say?
00:46:28:00 - 00:46:36:16
Dr. John Mayer
I forgot I wrote it down. I've sucked this is Dick for too many years to kiss his ass. Now.
00:46:36:18 - 00:46:43:19
Stacey
That was the most. You know what I can't believe? I don't remember that because I want to repeat it someday. And that is brilliant.
00:46:43:21 - 00:46:50:05
Dr. John Mayer
Yeah. It was. And a stagehand goes in response because everybody was around hearing this big hour.
00:46:50:07 - 00:46:52:12
Stacey
Yeah, it was like they said, the crew. Yeah.
00:46:52:14 - 00:47:05:22
Dr. John Mayer
And everybody was outside the door waiting for it to explode, which it did. And then when she said that line, this one, stagehand or somebody goes, who's writing her lines?
00:47:05:24 - 00:47:14:05
Stacey
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what a brilliant what a brilliant response to him. And just like a very great.
00:47:14:07 - 00:47:44:20
Dr. John Mayer
The other thing that the documentary just brought out is how intelligent and dynamic these women were. They weren't just, you know, pieces of meat, you know, and things and cute things to look at. So. Brett. Holly. Helstrom. I believe, is your name, that, Linda, the producer. Claudia. Elizabeth. Kathleen. All brave, brave, courageous women.
00:47:44:22 - 00:48:09:22
Dr. John Mayer
Holly Helstrom, as you referenced, took ten years to win her lawsuit against all these people. Lost her house, was homeless for a while, and yet persisted, to, get fairness and, get what she she deserved. And, I mean, incredible. I mean, just.
00:48:09:23 - 00:48:29:15
Stacey
To kill a woman. Holly, I like her. I mean, she seemed to be featured a lot. I really liked I liked all the women they interviewed. I thought they were great, and I thought they were strong and very sure of themselves and self-esteem, and, you know, this inherent racism that people have is just. It's just poison.
00:48:29:17 - 00:48:42:03
Dr. John Mayer
Yeah. It's, you know, it's so fundamentally human wrong to treat, you know, any group of people that the way that so many groups of people have been treated, you know, when I.
00:48:42:05 - 00:48:55:04
Stacey
You know, here you are like in the, in the studio audience of a show like this and you're whatever race you are and you're just excited to get up on that stage and meet that guy, and then he acts like a fucking cock sucker.
00:48:55:06 - 00:48:55:17
Dr. John Mayer
Yeah.
00:48:55:19 - 00:49:09:17
Stacey
You know what I mean? Like, he just acts like a gross, you know? You know, either he's smarmy or he's just awful. And to feel that as a, as a person that's in it, it's just so deceiving. I don't know that, like, bothers me. It's like a betrayal.
00:49:09:19 - 00:49:28:12
Dr. John Mayer
Don't you think that a lot of these people who went up there and acted so silly, these contestants, you know, and jumping around and things like that, you look at a tape of that show and you hear embarrassed, I don't think I should, I don't think I'd show my appearance to any of my relatives or family.
00:49:28:12 - 00:49:51:05
Dori
It's probably coach to do that too. But it oh, it's like they see you brought up like Corey Feldman to like, I think about people who watch these documentaries about like celebrities that they love and that are people that they love. And they still don't think that that's true. Like the I'm sure that there's.
00:49:51:07 - 00:49:51:24
Stacey
An additional.
00:49:52:00 - 00:50:00:00
Dori
Park or stands out there that are like a that's not the Bob Barker I know and love, but.
00:50:00:01 - 00:50:12:12
Stacey
Well, yeah. I mean, people do this all the time. I didn't see any of that. Yeah. You know, is that that cognitive dissonance or is that like. Yeah, I'm sure I should get some idea.
00:50:12:14 - 00:50:34:02
Dr. John Mayer
I think the whole thing is produced and created for that illusion. Right? You know, you both are in the entertainment world. It's the way it's portrayed, the way it's directed, the way it's produced is that we're not looking at that. You know, we're looking at the big wheel going around, and we don't see that Bob Barker goes, hey, reach in my pocket and tickle my dick.
00:50:34:07 - 00:51:06:01
Dori
But nowadays it's different. Now I mean, done, maybe you should do that with your patience. Like, oh, oh, I have a Tic TAC in my book. Can you get this back? But you know what though? Nowadays too a lot, because we do have social media and everything so quick and people get exposed right and left nowadays. But to be honest, a lot of people won't have the careers like a Bob Barker did for a million years where everybody thought he was America's.
00:51:06:03 - 00:51:20:24
Dori
You know, dad, he was really America's dad. But America's favorite game show host. Because of social media, things get turned upside down so quickly. That's the point that there really isn't.
00:51:21:05 - 00:51:34:18
Dr. John Mayer
Throw into the mix. Johnny Carson, you know how long Johnny Carson was. You know, king of the late night TV. And he was I don't think he's at any of this sex scandals or anything, but he was considered you got to be,
00:51:34:20 - 00:51:35:02
Dori
Kind.
00:51:35:02 - 00:51:38:02
Dr. John Mayer
Of patriarch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:51:38:02 - 00:51:39:10
Dori
People to work for.
00:51:39:15 - 00:52:04:21
Dr. John Mayer
Yeah, but they become in power. You know, they're making a lot of money for the studio, you know, and that's another thing we haven't brought up yet, the culpability of the studio and everybody around this that knew what was going on, you know, and just tolerated it and participated to them.
00:52:04:23 - 00:52:19:06
Speaker 1
Watching older episodes of The Price Is Right today is pretty cringeworthy, and you just see the way that Bob handles women in general. On the show, he would call contestants Little girl.
00:52:19:06 - 00:52:23:02
Speaker 2
Step back, hear my child, I want to talk with you for just a minute.
00:52:23:04 - 00:52:25:05
Speaker 1
He would comment on their appearance.
00:52:25:10 - 00:52:27:14
Speaker 2
I watch you dress. You watch the wheel.
00:52:27:16 - 00:52:36:07
Speaker 3
I think it's fair to say that he wanted to be like Hugh Hefner. Or he wanted to be like Charlie with Charlie's Angels. That's just kind of how he saw the world, you know?
00:52:36:13 - 00:52:43:18
Speaker 2
Show them everyone and what you can do with those lovely little dresses you have on today. Yeah, there they go. There they.
00:52:43:18 - 00:52:50:02
Speaker 1
Go. And I think, especially as it goes into the 90s and just that newfound freedom that women had to speak out.
00:52:50:02 - 00:52:53:15
Speaker 4
I was very uncomfortable with the idea and told him so.
00:52:53:20 - 00:52:55:07
Speaker 1
The world was changing.
00:52:55:08 - 00:52:59:18
Speaker 5
Justice Ginsburg, will you raise your right hand and repeat after me?
00:52:59:20 - 00:53:07:05
Speaker 1
But the culture backstage at The Price Is Right didn't really change along with it.
00:53:07:07 - 00:53:26:24
Speaker 6
When I initially started the show, everybody was pretty cool and really friendly, especially the crew. But over a course of time, I kind of noticed the guys were kind of talking, looking, gawking at the girls. I found out this was a little more commonplace than I thought.
00:53:27:01 - 00:53:58:03
Speaker 7
It became common knowledge. Stay away from this person or stay away from that person. There was stuff going on where you had to say, hey, stop that. One time I was in the elevator and one of the men just stuck their hands right on my boobs. You know, I had to push them away. I didn't say anything. It became instinct to know how to handle it.
00:53:58:05 - 00:54:14:01
Speaker 4
If anyone had gone to Bob because Bob is in charge of the show and said, I have a problem, I have a complaint. He would have, told her to get over it or look for a new job.
00:54:14:03 - 00:54:31:13
Speaker 1
Eventually, CBS, after receiving a lot of complaints about staff hitting on the models and staring at them and making creepy comments to them, they instated, what they call the ten second rule, where you were not allowed to openly stare at a model for more than 10s.
00:54:31:15 - 00:54:37:20
Speaker 3
10s is a long time to stare at somebody. Yeah. It's crazy.
00:54:37:22 - 00:54:48:18
Speaker 6
No need to. 3056789 ten.
00:54:48:20 - 00:54:57:00
Speaker 1
It was something that was put in place to placate the people who were complaining about being objectified, and it wasn't, to my knowledge, enforced.
00:54:57:01 - 00:55:11:19
Speaker 4
There was no one monitoring how long the guys were staring at the models. It was a joke. It was an appeasement. They did things that made it look like they were taking action. So you will stop complaining and go away.
00:55:11:23 - 00:55:19:15
Speaker 1
The show is making a lot of money. The show was making millions, and so I think that it behooved them to sweep those things under the rug.
00:55:19:17 - 00:55:38:06
Speaker 4
Which was really hard because Bob started having sex with Diane. It took a toll. There was fighting on the sets, yelling, and it was massive. And it ultimately, I think, destroyed prices right?
00:55:38:08 - 00:56:11:12
Dori
again, in this day and age, there would be whistleblowers. They would never I just don't think hopefully I do think of course it happened. I mean, we see all these guys like Nickelodeon, the Nickelodeon documentary and all that. Yeah, yeah, it definitely happened. But I think that because people are more encouraged to say something nowadays and because people are videoing everything and like there is, hopefully there are more people speaking up about terrible environments like this.
00:56:11:12 - 00:56:22:01
Dori
Obviously they still exist. We all like, you know, some of us can say we work in environments that are terrible like this, but hopefully more people are speaking up about it.
00:56:22:01 - 00:56:22:14
Stacey
Oh, sorry.
00:56:22:15 - 00:56:38:10
Dr. John Mayer
I think that, you know, I think that's the one of the most important messages of our show here today, which is that people, women, men, whoever speak up when when there's an unjust situation going on.
00:56:38:12 - 00:57:02:02
Stacey
So and this reminds me, and I know I bring up the Duggars a lot, but this is the same thing with TLC being in that home all those years with knowing had to have known because off camera they were not the same people. And you're finding out more and more that like this is a legit so audience, this is a legend that allegedly most of the sons have the same issues, if not a.
00:57:02:03 - 00:57:08:08
Dori
Child with molestation to get a feel. Yeah, I always win.
00:57:08:10 - 00:57:31:06
Stacey
Think of them selves on women. And here's what's happening. People in power know whether it's the network, whether it's CBS, whether it's TLC, whether it's, you know, the country, people are protecting this environment because of power and money and because of the fear of being fired.
00:57:31:08 - 00:58:01:16
Dr. John Mayer
Well, is there any difference between a predator, a sexual predator, or as dirty, sloppy, a creepy predator who grooms a child that they're going to, abuse to say, don't tell anything because I will for your mommy and daddy. Then Bob Barker, who said, nobody can say anything because you will be fired. You will, you know, will throw lawsuits at you, right?
00:58:01:16 - 00:58:12:23
Dr. John Mayer
You know, etc., etc.. There's no difference. It's the same type of dynamic of I will hurt you if you say anything, I.
00:58:12:23 - 00:58:29:12
Stacey
Will take it. So. So I have to isolate you. I have to get you in a certain position so that you have to rely on me and I can't. There's, you know, you have to count on me. If you start to break down that person's, you know, relationships and stuff like that, there's nothing they can do. They're stuck.
00:58:29:13 - 00:58:30:06
Stacey
Right.
00:58:30:08 - 00:58:30:23
Dr. John Mayer
And and.
00:58:30:23 - 00:58:31:15
Stacey
Yeah.
00:58:31:17 - 00:59:01:11
Dr. John Mayer
Here's the other, I think important point for the audience that is a little bit of a tangent, but it's really brought out in the documentary because if audience, if you watch the documentary, you know, well, okay, they just throw lawsuits back and forth, you know, I'm going to sue Bob Parker and there but then let me tell you, because I work with attorney and my forensic work, I work with, you know, many attorneys and expert witness and lawsuits, etc., etc. first of all, as the attorneys tell me, you can sue anybody for anything.
00:59:01:13 - 00:59:26:06
Dr. John Mayer
You can file a lawsuit. You know it. First year and Cook County, Illinois, $175 to go to file a lawsuit. But what are the consequences and results of filing lawsuit? A lot of time, a lot of money, a lot of pain that goes through it, you know. So, audience, if you watch a documentary like that, well, well, you know, ultimately our powers will just sue.
00:59:26:06 - 00:59:36:03
Dr. John Mayer
Shoo shoo shoo. Yeah, yeah. Them as Holly demonstrated, ten years lost. Everything was sleeping in her car.
00:59:36:05 - 00:59:46:01
Stacey
Oh, yeah, I right, I remember, and so sad. I mean, you know, that's just disgusting to leave these women in that kind of position after everything they went through. And I'm going to say as a witness.
00:59:46:02 - 00:59:55:18
Dori
Also made the show like they made the show. They as much as Bob Barker, they were 50% like they were money. You want men.
00:59:55:18 - 01:00:13:10
Stacey
Were watching the show for Vanna White and Wheel of Fortune and for these women and the men watch this. You know, it brought in that audience because it's, you know, it's usually if the price is right, it's all dependent on like, you know, this from production and stuff, but like when the show airs is the audience they're shooting for.
01:00:13:10 - 01:00:33:22
Stacey
So mothers, housewives and people at home, you know, if it's at noon on a, on a Tuesday or, you know, noon weekly, you're not you're not that's not men because they're working quote unquote. I'm making quotes. Right. So your audience, you play the show when you know that audience is watching. But if you also bring in another element, then you're going to get more people.
01:00:33:24 - 01:00:39:12
Dori
Like I said, I need to go watch the Drew Carey Price is right. Right now. I feel like I need to go and.
01:00:39:12 - 01:00:42:24
Dr. John Mayer
See if he has anybody put his hand in his pocket or something.
01:00:43:00 - 01:00:46:00
Stacey
Do you need to bathe in the Drew Carey version?
01:00:46:02 - 01:00:50:09
Dori
I I've never seen it. I kind of I'm kind of curious.
01:00:50:11 - 01:01:08:18
Dr. John Mayer
I hate to say. Let me know who you are and maybe going to ask Jeremy to take this out. But, you know, as a hormonal young man, I probably should have known more about The Price Is Right. I would have been, you know. Oh, yeah, as a teenager, pre-teen and pre-teen, and it's more and more is another thing.
01:01:08:19 - 01:01:14:01
Dori
Jake. Well, speaking of that, did Diane or did Janice do Playboy? What did they say?
01:01:14:01 - 01:01:15:09
Dr. John Mayer
One Diane.
01:01:15:11 - 01:01:16:04
Stacey
Diane.
01:01:16:07 - 01:01:18:16
Dori
Oh, that was Bob Playboy.
01:01:18:18 - 01:01:22:07
Dr. John Mayer
And that was one of the first things that Bob got upset about was, oh.
01:01:22:07 - 01:01:27:21
Stacey
I'm sure that pissed her off him off him, off he because he wasn't in charge of that. And that was.
01:01:27:23 - 01:01:30:08
Dr. John Mayer
You know, narcissists don't share narcissists.
01:01:30:12 - 01:01:40:10
Dori
And I don't want to go down that rabbit hole. But I watch a lot of documentaries on Playboy and that let's not even get into,
01:01:40:12 - 01:01:41:02
Stacey
Hugh, Hugh.
01:01:41:02 - 01:01:55:09
Dori
Hefner. Because that guy too, was also discussing maybe we'll do one down the road. Maybe we'll do something on Hugh Hefner down the road to see what he was, I think even worse than Bob Barker.
01:01:55:10 - 01:01:58:07
Stacey
You were do our series on disgusting white men.
01:01:58:09 - 01:01:58:21
Dori
Yes.
01:01:59:02 - 01:01:59:13
Dr. John Mayer
Hey, what.
01:01:59:13 - 01:02:02:11
Dori
About you, John? We played you.
01:02:02:13 - 01:02:03:02
Stacey
What? What?
01:02:03:02 - 01:02:11:11
Dr. John Mayer
John, how about a scumbag Hall of Fame? Do we nominate Bob Barker for the scumbag Hall of Fame? He might be a Bob Barker.
01:02:11:12 - 01:02:19:22
Stacey
And, yeah, he's a he's a scumbag. But you're probably right. Hugh Hefner had a lot more hands and a lot of things. And he was, you know,
01:02:19:24 - 01:02:24:07
Dori
I mean, no pun intended, Stacy, but he did have a scam. Yes.
01:02:24:09 - 01:02:26:07
Stacey
No pun intended.
01:02:26:09 - 01:02:31:09
Unknown
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01:02:31:11 - 01:02:42:00
Stacey
I guess my final thing I'd say is let's make sure that you report these things. Say something, do something. Tell people, tell other people. If nobody listen, tell somebody else.
01:02:42:02 - 01:03:06:10
Dr. John Mayer
I just got through taking my annual hip, certification as a doctor. We have to, you know, be certified to obey the laws that, you know, they make such a big, point, which I agree with wholeheartedly, that if you see here any violations of the laws, report immediately.
01:03:06:12 - 01:03:10:01
Dr. John Mayer
And I think that's the huge message of this episode is,
01:03:10:04 - 01:03:26:23
Dr. John Mayer
you're in a situation where you're being abused or potentially being abused, you know, get the hell out of there. Women, stand up, stand up, men, stand up. But don't let this feel like we're seeing cases like this.
01:03:27:00 - 01:03:33:03
Unknown
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01:03:33:05 - 01:03:39:23
Dr. John Mayer
Can we do, the promo for our friends Midnight Current, can we do a little promo on their new album?
01:03:39:23 - 01:03:41:22
Stacey
I like how Dory does it.
01:03:41:24 - 01:03:45:02
Dori
Okay, I don't know what you're talking about, but I do have to get going. You didn't.
01:03:45:02 - 01:03:48:15
Dr. John Mayer
Get the. You didn't get the memo, so to speak. I sent an email.
01:03:48:17 - 01:03:49:04
Dori
Whereas.
01:03:49:04 - 01:04:06:10
Dr. John Mayer
I don't worry, I can tell you the memo, our, our good friends Midnight Current, who do our theme music. I have their first album out, and our theme song is prominently in their new album. And their new album is getting, radio play in
01:04:06:10 - 01:04:14:16
Dori
How's this? All right, shout out to Midnight Current, who does our theme song. They just came out with a new album called Swell Sounds.
01:04:14:21 - 01:04:21:21
Dori
Pick it up, get it, grab it, grab it. Okay, I like that. Grab it, grab it,
01:04:22:00 - 01:04:25:21
Dori
Like all these white dudes grab the beach. Grab it.
01:04:25:23 - 01:04:28:24
Dr. John Mayer
Don't grab. Don't grab my barkers.
01:04:29:01 - 01:04:32:02
Dori
I know, go just pocket and grab it.
01:04:32:04 - 01:04:45:01
Speaker 1
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01:04:45:03 - 01:04:53:16
Speaker 2
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Speaker 1
Candy.
01:04:57:13 - 01:05:10:07
Unknown
I.
01:05:10:09 - 01:05:12:07
Unknown
Really?