Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast

This week, Scott and Jamie dig into one of the hardest questions in youth sports: how much is too much when it comes to pushing your kid? From the emotional landmines of summer training to the quiet signs a player might be over it, this episode gets real about what happens when a parent’s passion starts to outweigh the player’s.

In this episode:
- The gut-check moment when your kid wants to quit mid-session
- Why “taking a break” feels harder for parents than players
- The fine line between motivation and meltdown
- How gear, group chats, and summer plans all fuel the pressure

Plus: A look at long drives, practice walk-offs, and why it might be time to stop “wanting it more.”
If you’ve ever wondered whether your push is still productive or just exhausting - this one’s for you.

What is Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast?

A relatable and honest podcast about the highs and lows of being a youth hockey parent. Join us as we share real stories, struggles, and wins from the rink, offering insights and support for parents navigating the world of youth hockey.

Jamie:

All right, buddy. Here we are.

Scott:

Welcome back. Episode one five.

Jamie:

One five. It's crazy to

Scott:

It's

Jamie:

crazy that we're episode 15 already.

Scott:

Yeah. Listen. It's an achievement every week right now.

Jamie:

It's awesome. It really is. It's awesome. So so today so if you guys don't know, we are Jamie and Scott, the crazy hockey dads.

Scott:

What's up?

Jamie:

We are at episode fifteen, three months in now.

Scott:

Yeah. Right? Yeah. I think

Jamie:

our three month anniversary was, like, two days ago.

Scott:

Oh, yeah. What was it?

Jamie:

Ninety days in. Sweet. 15 episodes. Doing nicely. And I guess we could do this now.

Jamie:

Right? What? So, well, so we're gonna talk about today, we're gonna talk about whether to push your kid and the ramifications of it, the positives of it. But that's what we're going to discuss today. To or to not push your child?

Scott:

Yep. Right? Mean, so that A lot of variables and a lot of meat and potatoes there, but we'll dig into it.

Jamie:

Yes, definitely. But in the meantime, just a little housekeeping stuff.

Scott:

You'll shout out the countries, dude.

Jamie:

But that's what I'm going to do. And thank you for everybody for subscribing and downloading and listening. We have had a lot happen since seven days ago, which is wild to me. We were stuck on six Canadian provinces for a long time. We just added Nova Scotia for number seven.

Jamie:

Yep. We just added Oslo, Norway.

Scott:

Let's So

Jamie:

welcome to our

Scott:

I've been there.

Jamie:

Have you? Gorgeous. Probably a lot of good hockey there.

Scott:

Would say. Yeah. Of the Scandinavian countries, I don't think Norway I mean Sweden and Finland are the top dogs.

Jamie:

Yeah. Yes. That does not surprise me. But I would still think there's good hockey in Norway. No?

Scott:

Oh, I'm sure there's good hockey. Got I'm just saying that it's not as good as Finland and Norway.

Jamie:

I get that.

Scott:

But I was in, before, side note, before I went to Finland and Sweden, you

Jamie:

mean.

Scott:

Finland, did I say Norway?

Jamie:

Yeah, yeah. It's a weird tournament.

Scott:

Before I went to Norway, I went to Copenhagen. And while I was there in Denmark, I took a Did you do

Jamie:

any dip?

Scott:

Do any what? Dip? Copenhagen. Oh, dip. No.

Scott:

Oh my god. That's like high school.

Jamie:

That's sick. I was just gonna say

Scott:

It's gross.

Jamie:

Dated. Oh, yeah.

Scott:

That shit is so gross. Disgusting. But they but they so now we're just jumping all over

Jamie:

the place.

Scott:

Yes. And we'll

Jamie:

get we'll bring it back quickly. Hate you through me.

Scott:

Yeah. All these kids

Jamie:

So gross.

Scott:

I play men's with a bunch of kids that, like, zen.

Jamie:

I was gonna say they do those little dip packs. The Zins. But like, the Also gross.

Scott:

I've never tried it, but, like, I Lip cancer? I don't know.

Jamie:

Gum cancer? Here I come.

Scott:

It's not, like

Jamie:

Probably not a good move.

Scott:

Yeah. It's just very It feels child friendly. Are kids

Jamie:

doing it?

Scott:

Well, define kid. Teenager? I'm sure.

Jamie:

You think so? Well, yeah, you're probably right about that. Mean, know I know like high school.

Scott:

Yeah. Listen. If if there if there are, like, U10s doing smelling salts, then there's probably this is why u twelve's doing zen.

Jamie:

We are gonna dip into that smelling salts Crazy. Sometime this summer. Yeah. But That smelling salts conversation is coming.

Scott:

It's coming.

Jamie:

That episode is coming. It's definitely coming. Yes. And we will get that is gonna be a very hot button topic. I'm very interested in talking about But

Scott:

so okay. So bringing it back. So the Copenhagen dip versus Zin, it just Zin is like child friendly in my opinion.

Jamie:

Well, because it's packaged. It's in like little thing and it's less

Scott:

messy But they had they had like Bandits, was like packaged pouches of tobacco. I never did any But it still tastes, fair. But it still tasted like tobacco. Yeah. You know, it's not like it tastes delicious.

Scott:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, going back to Copenhagen, Denmark, I went to fucking a game. Went to like a, I guess, was it a there? European league. Was like a whatever the Denmark league is.

Jamie:

Okay.

Scott:

I went out and I caught a game. Was at

Jamie:

the pretty good hockey, no?

Scott:

Yeah, it was good. It was fucking out there. I waited for a train in forever to get back to Copenhagen. Was like out there. But glad I went.

Scott:

It was pretty cool. Yeah. Like unlike The States or or Canada, the professionals when they it's like going to watch a high school game. Not meaning that, like, you know No.

Jamie:

No. I know what they're just like, you

Scott:

know, they're walking, like, next

Jamie:

to They're regular dudes. Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely a much more regular thing. Yeah. Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah. It was cool for me to go check out a different, like, hockey scene.

Jamie:

No. That is cool. I I could see how that would be neat. That that was the quality of duty.

Scott:

Yeah. Should I should look up to see nice looking rinks? Remember. You know, so I was only at one. It was it was fine.

Scott:

Was Cool looking rink? It was small. Like, the one that

Jamie:

I went

Scott:

to was small. It wasn't like going Like,

Jamie:

5,000 people small or, like

Scott:

Oh, dude. I was, like, in bleachers. Oh, so we're talking,

Jamie:

like, youth hockey ish type. Ish. Oh, really?

Scott:

Yep.

Jamie:

Oh, that's surprising.

Scott:

And I, you know, I should probably double check the That's the level, like, the league that I went to. Right. Was it pro?

Jamie:

You know what should say?

Scott:

Yeah. I'd I'd have to refresh my memory.

Jamie:

Yeah. Do a research.

Scott:

I don't think I was going to, like, an amateur game in Copenhagen Right. Or outside of Copenhagen where the fuck I went. Anyway, so yeah. What are we talking about? So countries.

Scott:

Countries where Countries. We're talking about Norway. Yeah. Yeah. Norway.

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. So we're we're we're we're we're loading up on France. Two spots.

Jamie:

Wow.

Scott:

Let's see let's see your let's see your

Jamie:

I don't wanna butcher

Scott:

Paulie Vaux Francais.

Jamie:

So it's Provence Oh. France. Oh. Right? Which I I I get I did a little research.

Jamie:

I looked this It's the South Of France. What? I'm just it is. I'm serious.

Scott:

I know Provence is the South Of France.

Jamie:

Did you

Scott:

not know that? No. I did know Excuse

Jamie:

me. I know you're the European traveler. I just hang out here in The United States.

Scott:

I I cooked I cooked French food

Jamie:

That is that is true.

Scott:

That is true. For many a year.

Jamie:

And and listen, do not think that I did not run this through an AI chatbot on how to pronounce these things.

Scott:

Well, that that was And I was still Wait. So let's hear it again. It was Provence, Right? Provence. Provence.

Scott:

Okay. What's the other one?

Jamie:

So the other one

Jamie:

the other one is the other

Jamie:

one is

Scott:

That's a tough

Jamie:

one, It's Il De France. Il.

Scott:

Il De

Jamie:

France. And they they put it phonetically for me

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

And I heard it. You can get it.

Scott:

Got a one two punch.

Jamie:

I did a little homework here.

Scott:

Fucking ace.

Jamie:

All of a sudden, two spots in France popped up from downloads. Let's fucking go. I don't know what is the deal with the And again, we went to the Far East again. We're in Taipei, Taiwan, and we just added Tokyo, Japan. Let's go.

Jamie:

Ohio. Hockey in Tokyo, Japan?

Scott:

Yeah, for sure.

Jamie:

I guess.

Scott:

Yeah. You know, we had Right? Axe. Not Japan, but one of Otto's teammates Crazy. Like two years ago, family mother's Korean took their son to Korea and for for an extended period of time, the whole summer.

Scott:

Like, yeah, think he he left school early, like in April and then he was in Korea for like Right.

Jamie:

Months. Family members and stuff like that over there? Yeah. And

Scott:

and you know, immersed in Korean culture.

Jamie:

Right.

Scott:

And he went he did hockey clinics and played on a team out there in South Korea. I don't know where exactly. I'm assuming you're in wonder how the hockey

Jamie:

is out there. Is hockey big? I mean, here.

Scott:

Define Define big though.

Jamie:

Sorry. So we're getting a lot of downloads from The Netherlands and The UK as well. So, like, is hockey big Netherlands, UK, France, Turkey, Taiwan, Japan, I mean, and Puerto Rico? I mean, hockey big in those areas?

Scott:

Listen. I I

Jamie:

I would think more Norway. Norway. Yes. Yeah. England too.

Scott:

England too, we talked about that.

Jamie:

We do. We talked about it. Yes. Yes. No.

Jamie:

Know somebody who actually played, like, semi pro or pro. It's considered pro.

Scott:

Pro. English

Jamie:

pro. In in England.

Scott:

Yeah. No. So no doubt.

Jamie:

You know, but, like, but, like, Taiwan? Japan?

Scott:

Japan, I can wrap my head around for San

Jamie:

Juan, Puerto Rico?

Scott:

You know where the Japanese, I feel like, are always good in the Olympics when the speed skating? Think that's true. Skating is definitely No.

Jamie:

No. Skating is a thing.

Scott:

A part

Jamie:

of Yeah.

Scott:

No. Yeah. Japanese sport.

Jamie:

You're right. And I I I think you're the Chinese are always good at ice dancing. How much

Scott:

ice dancing are watching, bro?

Jamie:

None. But typically, during the winter, I watched the Winter Olympics. So they always seem to be doing well in all the ice dancing. Dancing. I mean, you know what I mean.

Scott:

I totally get it.

Jamie:

What's the movie called Blades of Glory? There's a

Scott:

few. Blades of Steel?

Jamie:

Blades of Steel is a video game.

Scott:

Oh, Blades of Steel was a video game.

Jamie:

Blades Blades Steel was a video game from Nintendo back in the day when we were kids. Think so. No, Ben Stiller.

Jamie:

Ben Stiller,

Jamie:

right. And then what was the other one where the ex hockey player started Topic.

Scott:

Right, right. Topic.

Jamie:

What was the Oh, God, there's a movie back in the day where the hockey player gets hurt.

Scott:

Yeah, Topic. Eye, his vision.

Jamie:

But what was the name of the movie? That wasn't Blades of Glory. The Blades of Glory was with Ben Stiller.

Scott:

Fuck. How am I not remembering this? I watched that movie like Well, actually,

Jamie:

I'm saying. Don't remember what it was called.

Scott:

Topic. Topic. Oh my god. The opening scene is him playing like in like the Olympics or whatever.

Jamie:

What is it called? Cutting Edge.

Scott:

Oh, Cutting Edge?

Jamie:

Cutting Edge. Yeah. Listen, the the best hockey movie of all time still is Miracle.

Scott:

Yeah. That I mean Wait. But I but let what about fucking

Jamie:

Mr. Alaska?

Scott:

No. Oh, Slap Shot. Well, that's comedy. Why am I my mind is what's the one with Rob Lowe and Patrick Swayze and

Jamie:

Tanner Rielly? Youngblood.

Scott:

Youngblood. A movie I have No. I yet fucking an animal.

Jamie:

A movie I have yet to show Dominic, by the way.

Scott:

Because of like age of because of content?

Jamie:

You know what's funny? We were we were we were kind of founding That

Scott:

man is fucking an animal.

Jamie:

It's a great it's a great movie. Was that what was what's the guy's name who said that?

Scott:

I think that was Keanu Reeves. He was a goalie and and they were like My god. Yes. They're at the like at the bar getting Yes.

Jamie:

Yes. Yes. I'm like, I forgot he was in the movie. Holy shit.

Scott:

Yeah. Mustangs. Was in that.

Jamie:

Rocky was the bad guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny alright.

Jamie:

So it's funny you mentioned that because Dominic wants to watch Slapshot and Youngblood. I have not let him watch either one of

Scott:

them yet.

Jamie:

Last night, we're thumbing through Netflix.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

He's like, dad, let's watch a movie. Right? So I put Slapshot on. He's like, dad, Slapshot. We just I happened to scroll by under comedy.

Jamie:

Yeah. Right? Because I'm like, let's watch something funny, Dom. So I happen to scroll through it on comedy and he goes, dad, let's watch it. I put the first five minutes on.

Jamie:

I'm like, we can't watch this. Like, it's not appropriate.

Scott:

Totally get it.

Jamie:

I'm like, we cannot watch this. I'm trying to think of what the guy said, but I was like, yeah.

Scott:

No. We're gonna pass on this.

Jamie:

I think Youngblood probably is on the appropriate scale would have

Scott:

been He was banging that chick. True.

Jamie:

But would have been better than Slap Shot.

Scott:

It could be.

Jamie:

I'm pretty sure that if I had put Youngblood on, in the first five minutes, I would have not had to shut it off so quickly like I did with with Slap Shot.

Scott:

You know, in in Youngblood, they play in that rink that's got, like, a chain link fence.

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah.

Scott:

That place is wild, man. Dude, I played in a rink with chain link fence also. Where? Like, in in Connecticut. Katona.

Scott:

Katona. I played in a a spring

Jamie:

league. It still there?

Scott:

I have no idea. But I remember

Jamie:

it's So when were a kid?

Scott:

When I was

Jamie:

a kid.

Scott:

Yeah. Nineties.

Jamie:

So they didn't have boards?

Scott:

They had chain link fence? No. They had boards. And then it had chain link fence above instead of plexiglass.

Jamie:

Stop it.

Scott:

Or glass. And the boards might as well have been fucking poured cement. They were so goddamn hard, you murder like, you could murder people there.

Jamie:

Did this did it double as a roller hockey in the off season?

Scott:

It could be. It sure sounds like it with the Chamberlain defense. Was springtime. Oh, okay. Was ice.

Scott:

Penguins and eagles and escrows and ice? Penguins, eagles, escrows and ice?

Jamie:

Ice? What a great movie. Eins, fine driving, pushing down some ice.

Scott:

Listen to your French and your German today. You're like a

Jamie:

A world traveler. Meanwhile, going on vacation tomorrow and not going anywhere overseas. Nowhere.

Scott:

Do you know how to speak West Virginian? You know what that made me think of?

Jamie:

I mean, I think as long as I have my banjo, I'll be good

Scott:

to I'll

Jamie:

just sling it over my shoulder and they'll be like, oh, he's local.

Scott:

It's like Deliverance?

Jamie:

Yeah. I'm gonna be so like a fish out Deliverance? Long time ago. Yes.

Scott:

You know, like The banjo

Jamie:

scene is sick, by the way.

Scott:

The banjo scene is insane.

Jamie:

That is a sick banjo scene. No kidding. Like, it's an awesome scene. That's an that's great

Scott:

Freaky movie.

Jamie:

Great movie. Yeah. Wasn't Burt Reynolds in that?

Scott:

I think so. So was John John

Jamie:

Boyd when they were young, man.

Scott:

Young. Super young. Young John Boyd.

Jamie:

I mean, really ridiculously young. But yeah, yeah. So again, I wonder if anybody knows some of the lines that we just quoted like Penguins, Eskimo, Eagles and Ice?

Scott:

R. I. P. John Candy.

Jamie:

Sanka, you dead? Sanka. Sanka, you dead? Yeah, man.

Scott:

Yeah, man. So good.

Jamie:

God, somebody again, if you know what movie that is, hit us up on Instagram. We'll do something for you.

Scott:

No doubt.

Jamie:

All right. So yeah, so we're in all these cool places, which is awesome. We're popping up in all these spots, which is wild to me. Mean, I'm not going lie to you, Scott, I never expected. Listen, we're very heavy in The United States.

Jamie:

We're heavy in Canada. But we're starting to pop up all over, which is crazy. The map that we have on our podcast distribution site is

Scott:

It's lighting up. Yeah, which is cool. Yeah, keep it up. Anyone that's been sharing the show or whatever, please keep it up.

Jamie:

Yeah, keep sharing, keep subscribing, keep listening. Thank you to all the people that are listening, all the new people that are popping up. I hope you enjoy the content. Yeah. We're gonna keep going because we think it adds value.

Jamie:

We actually have a lot of fun doing this.

Scott:

A 100%.

Jamie:

So we we have so much fun doing this that we just ordered a mic that is gonna be delivered to my hotel in a couple days so we could do this on the road when I'm away.

Scott:

Roadshow.

Jamie:

Yeah. It's gonna be fun.

Scott:

It will be fun.

Jamie:

So Scott's gonna be the genius behind me.

Scott:

He's gonna figure it out.

Jamie:

He's gonna figure out how to do that. So the next one's the next one's gonna be the July 4 episode, which I am looking forward to.

Scott:

Are That's

Jamie:

an episode.

Scott:

The patriot. The Patriot of the group. Can tell you.

Jamie:

It's gonna be fun. That's gonna be a cool episode. Everybody stay tuned. This is 15. Sixteen's gonna be the July 4 episode.

Jamie:

It's gonna be awesome. We're we're talking about some cool things like USA hockey. Great. They're starting some of the rosters are starting to come out where they're starting to kind of take shape. They announced the first six for every country.

Jamie:

So stay tuned. That's going be fun. Yeah. So yes, that takes care of some housekeeping. Keep sharing the show.

Jamie:

We really appreciate everybody that's listening and subscribing. We have a new, I guess you could say, partner, right? Business partner. We have a new partnership.

Scott:

A new business partnership.

Jamie:

Partnership. Have a good partnership. We have a new partnership that we wanted to tell you guys about. We recently partnered with Howie's Hockey.

Scott:

That's

Jamie:

it. So for those of you who don't know Howie's Hockey, which I can't imagine how you wouldn't know because if you walk into any pro shop, you'll see their logo.

Scott:

I

Jamie:

mean, this is their logo for any of you that don't know. Literally, this is their logo. It's one of the coolest logos in my opinion that's out there.

Scott:

It's great.

Jamie:

It's awesome.

Scott:

It's fucking great.

Jamie:

I mean, I bought this years ago.

Scott:

I don't

Jamie:

think they sell it anymore, actually.

Scott:

Oh, yeah?

Jamie:

Yeah. They have a bobblehead, but I don't think they sell this anymore.

Scott:

Interesting. Yeah. So I What was that? Was an ornament? It was a Christmas Christmas ornament?

Jamie:

Yeah. And I hung them from the mic. Interesting. Just because he's awesome. You know?

Jamie:

So, yeah. So Howie's hockey started with with obviously hockey tape.

Scott:

Yeah. Right? Is that I I actually I don't know the

Jamie:

I'm pretty sure they started you'd think I should have looked up the history, but I'm pretty sure they started with hockey tape. Yeah. Right? And I think that they branched down to a bunch of things. If you go on their website

Scott:

Wax. And their wax is awesome. Yeah.

Jamie:

Right? The wax is awesome. So I have a tape bag. I have their scissors.

Scott:

Yep, same.

Jamie:

The shears are awesome in my opinion. Some of the best Normal scissors, like whoever don't cut hockey tape well, those shears

Scott:

Are with

Jamie:

the yellow tips are awesome. Yep. What else? The wax is great. Dominic always tries to slap it on his head.

Scott:

Auto started using the wax, the stickier wax that's in the light blue

Jamie:

They

Scott:

have two different types of So Kurt, he would always use the yellow tin and now he uses the light blue tin, which is definitely stickier.

Jamie:

Yeah, well they all wanted it in Michigan these days.

Scott:

I know, great. So they

Jamie:

all lather up there. People dive into Dominic's hockey bag to grab his wax.

Scott:

No

Jamie:

shit. Dom leaves the locker room, and they all dive into his bag for the wax.

Scott:

Why? They can't get their own wax? Apparently not. Well, whatever.

Jamie:

Because he has a

Scott:

bunch of it. Good.

Jamie:

Yeah. And the wax smells phenomenal. Howie's hockey wax smells phenomenal.

Scott:

It is good.

Jamie:

So much they actually made a candle out of it,

Scott:

which is also awesome. I need to get that. Smells candle.

Jamie:

Again, smells phenomenal.

Scott:

Yeah. I'm gonna get that for my wife for her birthday.

Jamie:

Smells phenomenal. The the the tape bag, I've had the tape bag. Tape bag? I've had multiple tape

Scott:

bags. Yeah.

Jamie:

We've multiple I've gone through multiple tape And you know what else I have?

Scott:

What?

Jamie:

That I haven't shockingly, a lot of people on my team do not carry multiple sets of steel blades. Oh, yeah? So I have the Howie's hockey blade steel holder.

Scott:

Oh, that's So it carries two sets of steel. Yeah, yeah.

Jamie:

So can I just tell you? For some I don't know if it's a AAA thing versus a tier two thing, but when I in AAA hockey, our entire team had multiple sets of steel. Every kid had at least two sets of blades. So if you banged your blade up during the game, the coach yelled the bleachers and the dad came running with the other set of steel, they changed it on the bench and the kid went back in.

Scott:

Yeah, it's interesting that

Jamie:

you used Dom's new team.

Scott:

There was such a difference.

Jamie:

Dom's new team, nobody else

Scott:

changes their Had a steal.

Jamie:

Dom's the only one that has

Scott:

When you say changes, do you mean, like, no one else has a second set? Nobody else carries a second set. I don't know why. When you're Even but forget, like, the forget, like, the mindset thing or even, like I don't know, Scott. Being, like like, quote unquote, all in.

Scott:

It's practical.

Jamie:

I would I would think so.

Scott:

I mean, you can just

Jamie:

Do you know how many times I've changed his blades right before a game just because I don't have

Scott:

time to sharpen the other one? Right. It's just practical.

Jamie:

I literally he still has a hard time unsnapping the because it takes a bit of muscles to pull the blade

Scott:

Rip strength.

Jamie:

To pull it out of the toques, right? So I'll help him change them, but I'm the only one that has two sets of steel on Dom's new team. I don't know if it's a tier one and a tier two thing, but I don't know if it hasn't carried over or filtered down or the fact that when we were all AAA parents, we were all nuts. I don't know what the answer I

Scott:

imagine what you were just saying, just being all in, right? The idea of being all in from gear to commitment to lessons. Yeah, yeah, But putting that aside, having a second set of steel just seems to be less practical.

Jamie:

I would think so, right?

Scott:

No? It's like having a second stick.

Jamie:

So I'm curious. In case

Scott:

something gets messed up during a game, now you have the opportunity to change them out.

Jamie:

So they do carry two sticks, right? But they do not carry two sets of blades. I'm curious, last year, Otto played AAA because Dom played tier two last year. Did every parent, for the most part, have another set of blades?

Scott:

Listen, off the top of my head, don't recall. But there were plenty of I I can visualize families replacing blades, parents in the locker That was for sure kids did.

Jamie:

Did not witness it once this year and I had conversations with people about it. Then it like You

Scott:

were enlightening them? Like, hey, this is a thing? Or like they just weren't interested in having them? Like, knew that their kid's skates could

Jamie:

Honestly, I don't know the answer to that. But like, I remember saying to people like, you don't carry two sets of steel? Yeah. They're like, no, why? I'm like, never mind.

Scott:

It's definitely practical. And you know what else was interesting about last And the coach last year on Otto's team, he actually had like, I forget, I don't know, like one of the heavy duty, like real deal skate sharpening machines in his garage. Oh. Think the brand is like Mississauga. Oh, it's got like the real machine.

Scott:

The fucking red one. Not the Sparks. The red one. Real one.

Jamie:

The real machine.

Scott:

So he would sharpen impressive skates regularly. And then over down in the other rink, there was no pro shop in the rink. There was a hockey monkey, sports monkey, whatever monkey

Jamie:

That's right. There's no pro

Scott:

shop in down the road.

Jamie:

It's not far.

Scott:

Yeah. No. It's not far. No. It's a couple of points away.

Scott:

If you don't live in the neighborhood, which we didn't, we were never getting there early enough to sharpen the skates.

Jamie:

And that place is not easy to to. You have to kind of do like a bunch of loops.

Scott:

You have to loop a few different, like a highway

Jamie:

To get there. Yeah. Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah. Look, it's not hard. The point was for us last year, it was super helpful because we were never in a position.

Jamie:

Having multiple sets still. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And it's strange, right?

Jamie:

But that's so when this year, when when Otto starts playing tier two, let me know if you notice Blade Steel.

Scott:

I will pay attention. And you know what's interesting is we've talked about things during the podcast and even like before or after the show. Your stories when I reflect on my time when youth sports, as a coach because I coached auto, last year was the first year I didn't coach. Right. And even still, mean like I did video review for the team like Right.

Scott:

And I was on the bench whenever one of our coaches couldn't be there. Right. And so I was on the for the first half of the season, three quarters, I was on the bench against enough. Yeah. Decent amount.

Scott:

A decent amount. So I wouldn't say I didn't coach last season. I never did practices. But more to the point was like, you know, some of these like maybe pre game rituals or some of like the camaraderie amongst the parents. You I You missed.

Jamie:

Yeah. And because you were busy doing coaching stuff.

Scott:

And I don't know to what end parents were really hanging out before the or whatever because you were even sharing stories about tailgating and blah, blah, blah. I don't think any of Otto's teams really had a culture of hanging out.

Jamie:

So that might be, again, a tier one and tier two thing because when

Scott:

we were tier one, we hung out in the parking lot. Like hardcore.

Jamie:

I'm talking people were bringing grills and charcoal

Scott:

We never did.

Jamie:

And like YETI coolers and like, there were drinks at the back of everybody's truck. And then tier two this year, no, crickets.

Scott:

But I'll tell you from my experience So

Jamie:

again, when you start, I'm just curious.

Scott:

But no, but I'm saying

Jamie:

But you won't know. Because you were coaching.

Scott:

But look, I would know if there was like tailgating happening with barbecues and grills pre and post game. And I'm pretty sure that Otto has not been on a team where that was part of the culture as a playing AAA.

Jamie:

So tier one, I remember we were at a showcase at our rink and it was on a Saturday and we were gonna be there the entire day.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

Right? From like 9AM to like 5PM. Yeah. And I remember one of our dads literally put a flat screen TV in the back of his SUV and we set it up and we were watching college football in between our kids hockey games.

Scott:

That's pretty awesome.

Jamie:

Out in the parking lot with full on grill. I'm talking like there must have been seven coolers. Like Capri Suns and waters for the kids and drinks for the adults. I mean, you name it. And like, burgers and dogs and sausage and know what I It was ridiculous.

Scott:

It was insane. Was a During the spring, maybe last spring or the last couple of springs, the team, the 1494s. Yeah. I think there was a family, I'm pretty sure, that would have an RV.

Jamie:

Oh, Petsy team?

Scott:

Petsy And they would just stay in the parking lot at the rink. That's where they set up their RV, that's where they slept. Was like

Jamie:

That's crazy.

Scott:

They fucking made a real thing out of it. No shit. Yeah. I mean, you see that a bunch in college football. Yeah.

Jamie:

Yeah. For youth hockey.

Scott:

Youth hockey. That's crazy town. Yeah.

Jamie:

I mean, listen. Yeah. Listen. That's dedication, man. Shit.

Scott:

I mean, if you if you got an RV, it saves a buck probably. You're not staying in the hotel.

Jamie:

I guess they sleep in that thing in the parking lot.

Scott:

I mean, that's like if that's not stay to play, you're at the fucking rink.

Jamie:

How does that work if you're like can you because you know how you're gonna have a certain amount of kids stay

Scott:

in the hotel?

Jamie:

Can you imagine pulling up and be like like, you know, your Mr. And Mrs. Smith aren't registered. You're like, but they're in the parking lot. They're like, yeah, but they're not seeing the hotel.

Jamie:

You're like, yeah, they're in the parking But they're staying here, sort of.

Scott:

Yeah, the whole state of play bullshit. I I get why it's a thing. Anyway, but let's

Jamie:

We will get into that.

Scott:

What? State of Play?

Jamie:

Yes, we will get into that in one of these episodes too.

Scott:

It's all fucking money Again,

Jamie:

we're gonna do a rant section in every single episode. So that's gonna be, remember that because the act is, we're gonna write that down because that's gonna be another one of our sessions.

Scott:

So what's today's rant?

Jamie:

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Scott:

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Jamie:

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Scott:

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Jamie:

I don't like it. Again, when I say real young, I mean like six, seven. I'm not a fan of either.

Scott:

I'm more of a purist when it comes to that stuff

Jamie:

to be totally honest I like it for young kids. I like it for little kids. As they get older, I think kids get away from it. They just go with white or black. Yeah.

Jamie:

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Scott:

Listen, it's fun for the young kids. No doubt. I'm hating on it. Just never Yeah. Never I'm within pumped it.

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Scott:

I guess it.

Jamie:

All right, so here's it. Now, Scott does not know what today's rant is about.

Scott:

I'm in the dark. Okay? In

Jamie:

the This is something that drives me absolutely wild and we'll do like a five minute rant segment on how ridiculous this stuff is.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Today's rant is about the specific guy that everybody knows or everybody recognizes in the rink who stands there and constantly bangs on the glass. The glass banger.

Scott:

The banger. The banger. Fucking glass banger. That should be a t shirt, dude. Let's make that into a t shirt.

Scott:

Can, glass A glass banger.

Jamie:

Dude, I gotta tell you, I've seen some pretty bad glass bangers. We were in Buffalo last year. Scott, when I tell you that this one guy, he was doing it so much, I actually thought something was wrong with him. Dude, feel terrible saying that, but I looked at one of the dads, I'm like, he can't be right. He can't be.

Jamie:

I'm like, maybe there's something wrong with him.

Scott:

You know

Jamie:

what I mean? Because no regular human being would be hitting the glass. First of

Scott:

all, the dude's Just like hitting anything.

Jamie:

The dude's palm must have been different shades of purple, blue, green. Mean, his palm must have been fucking tenderized meat. Bro, I mean Fuck. Scott, I shit you not. I was standing there with the goalie's dad and going I looked at him and I go

Scott:

What the fuck?

Jamie:

I don't know what's happening here. I go, I can't I can't stand here anymore.

Scott:

I can't. I had to walk out.

Jamie:

I've never walked out of a ring for something like that. I walked out. I was like, I need to fucking leave.

Scott:

There are

Jamie:

The glass banger.

Scott:

Dude, so not not not a glass banger, but I was at a we auto had a game last season and one of the parents on the other team was so obnoxiously loud. Yeah. I I mean, like, I mean, trust me when I tell you, it was fucking whatever you're thinking, like, take it up at least one notch.

Jamie:

Yeah. Is that right?

Scott:

Like the What it what it turned out though that this guy is actually like a cheerleading coach also. And someone tried to play that off as like an excuse for why this dad was so loud. But when I tell you I would be so fucking embarrassed if I was a parent on that team that this father's would not shut the fuck up. And I don't know how the coachings even Don't say anything to him. Don't tell him, like, shut the fuck up.

Scott:

Yeah. But forget In the bleachers?

Jamie:

That what he is.

Scott:

In in the bleachers. But forget, like, whatever the content of what he's saying is. Even if it was highly appropriate and, like, very positive, it ruined I I put in my earbuds

Jamie:

You did strike

Scott:

drown him I drowned my earbuds, and I started listening to Lincoln Park.

Jamie:

At like a lot of volume?

Scott:

Just so I wouldn't fucking hear this Just yes. It was fucking horrible. So I but what we're basically talking about is inappropriate behavior by adults acting

Jamie:

like And listen, that's

Scott:

maybe children.

Jamie:

Listen, that that what you're saying is in the exact

Scott:

same ballpark. I was having a fucking tantrum to the point where I thought, like, he just wanted to with him? No. Something was wrong with him. That's not even a question.

Scott:

But it's like, it's almost it was to the point where it's like, do you just want people to look at you? Like, are you vying for attention here? Like, what the fuck's wrong with you, dude?

Jamie:

Now let me ask you a question.

Scott:

Shut up.

Jamie:

Did any of the parents from the other team, were they all not standing by him?

Scott:

He had, like, one, like Did he? There was someone that was, like His sidekick? It wasn't like a Batman and Robin, but it was someone who was also quite vocal and, like, in his vicinity.

Jamie:

Oh, okay. So they were the same person.

Scott:

Ish. It almost like Doctor. Loudmouth gave permission for other people on his team to also have To

Jamie:

do the same thing.

Scott:

Yeah, like monkey see monkey do a little bit. It's crazy, man.

Jamie:

Yeah, you don't want to be a glass banger, folks.

Scott:

No. Don't be that

Jamie:

guy or The glass banger Listen, I understand when somebody scores and you're standing on the glass and people go like, shh. I get that. But the dude I'm talking about and obviously you're talking about a very similar dude, just with a different situation. The dude I'm talking about did not stop smacking on the glass. He just kept

Jamie:

go. Scott, again, his hand must have been like tenderizing meat.

Scott:

But think about that. It's like one thing

Jamie:

I don't why.

Scott:

To yell at a sporting event, right? But to physically hit something repeatedly Scott. To the point where you're calling this guy's

Jamie:

I thought something was wrong with

Scott:

him, Scott. But something must have been wrong with him.

Jamie:

But then he walked into, like, the lobby, and I'm listening to him speak to another human being like a regular person. So, obviously, he's not don't know, dude. Retarded. You know, I mean, like, I feel bad if it is. Well, you know what I mean.

Jamie:

I'm not listen. I'm not being politically correct here. My point is there was something not right. Listen, because if there was something not right, you could be like, okay. You pass it off.

Jamie:

You're like, okay. No worries. But this dude was a sane guy. Right. You know what I mean?

Scott:

Well, no. No. I don't know. It doesn't sound like he was at all.

Jamie:

He acted like a sane person when he was talking to another dad in in

Scott:

the So he had, oh, okay.

Jamie:

He was happening to stand behind me and I turned around. I'm like, oh, that's him.

Scott:

Crazy people do normal things too and normal people do crazy things.

Jamie:

That is true.

Scott:

Sound Fair point. Point.

Jamie:

But yeah. But this dude my point was that this dude was a normal well, like like you said, a normal guy doing crazy things.

Scott:

Or the opposite. You in the band, in the lobby, he was doing normal things as a crazy person. I

Jamie:

could not believe the amount that he was hitting the glass.

Scott:

Yeah. That's

Jamie:

I actually I walked out.

Scott:

It's like, I think this is what I was Ultimately, even if that's what you want, like you ruin it for people around you. Like, you really do. And kids, you know, families are there. And again, I'm not talking about being it's okay to cheer, it's okay to cheer loudly, it's okay. But I think that there's a tie like during the course of a game, like your team scores?

Scott:

Yeah. Fucking. And you wanna go wild? Great. You know what I mean?

Scott:

But to continuously be a distraction for everyone around you when like it's not appropriate, like if it's not like, I don't know, a really bad call or a reason to celebrate. If you're just fucking going ape shit the whole time, like you ruin it for people around you and it's fucked I walked out. It's fucked up. That's fucked up. That's fucked up that that you ended up in a situation where that you felt like that was like the only way Yeah.

Scott:

That you could like

Jamie:

deal with the And and and it was the game before our game. It wasn't even our game. It was before. If I was a parent on that team and that father was on my team, I would have had a fucking meltdown.

Scott:

Yeah. Well, you know what else I

Jamie:

think A fucking meltdown. Total meltdown.

Scott:

People like that that do those things that are like super aggressive are also looking for a fight. I I I honestly think that people like that are doing it just to to get someone underneath people's skin so they have they open their mouth to them, and then they have a reason to fucking

Jamie:

The parent group he was with were were a bunch of loud mouths. Yeah. You're you're not wrong. There were there

Scott:

were I'm sure they were looking for something too.

Jamie:

And there were a handful.

Scott:

Happy if someone

Jamie:

were to say There were a lot of them. There were a lot of them. The the he was the loudest with my god. What he was doing, slapping the glass every like, Scott, it was,

Scott:

like, constant. It was like this. Yeah.

Jamie:

Yeah. That's funny. It was was crazy. It was it was crazy. Like and I looked at our goalie's dad, and I'm like, I've never seen anything like this before.

Jamie:

He's like, you haven't? I'm like, never. He's like, you sure? I'm like, I've never even

Scott:

come This was last year? Yeah. In Buffalo. That's interesting.

Jamie:

Scott, I'm like, I didn't even know what to say.

Scott:

Listen, maybe he was super intoxicated.

Jamie:

I don't think so. No? I watched him walk out of the rink and he was not bouncing all over the place. Yeah. I'm telling you.

Jamie:

And it was like 08:30 in the morning, by the way.

Scott:

Well, I mean

Jamie:

Maybe he was hammered from the night before. Very possible. Maybe. But this was like a regular dude that was just being obnoxious. I wonder if he knew that he's obnoxious.

Jamie:

I think

Scott:

he probably loves that he's obnoxious.

Jamie:

Maybe. He looked like a knucklehead.

Scott:

Can't always judge a book by its cover but

Jamie:

Yeah. I know you're right. So that's

Scott:

our hockey

Jamie:

rant for today. Do not be a glass banger, people.

Scott:

No glass bangers.

Jamie:

No glass bangers. So that's our hockey rant. We'll do that every episode. We'll do a rant section.

Scott:

Great.

Jamie:

So you know what? Next time you pick and then we can go from there.

Scott:

And I will not tell you.

Jamie:

Don't tell me.

Scott:

I won't.

Jamie:

Yeah. And we'll go back and forth.

Scott:

Fucking rant. Yeah.

Jamie:

So I know we talk about like Pushing? Yes. And leading up to our pushing, want to read you something. Found this I was cleaning out my notes section of my phone this

Scott:

weekend.

Jamie:

Yeah. Okay? And I found something that I was dying about. Alright? So this is alright.

Jamie:

So this is You

Scott:

were laughing about this or you were like mortified or somewhere in between?

Jamie:

You know, that's actually a very good question. I wasn't mortified, but but I was laughing. I I was laughing. Alright. So so this this was from this is from January of twenty one.

Jamie:

Yep. So Dominic was '8 Ish, 9Ish, something like that. You know, 8Ish, 9Ish. Right? Alright.

Jamie:

So so this is what this is what I wrote. Ready? Things to work on. Okay? So things to work on.

Jamie:

Alright? I can't believe I wrote this. Shooting, stick handling, strength, lower and upper body. Right? Catching passes, forehand and wrist strength, backward skating, right hand turns, then this one gets funny.

Jamie:

Going harder in parentheses, not sure how to fix this one.

Jamie:

Wait. And then below it, more aggressive in parentheses, also not sure

Scott:

how to fix this one.

Jamie:

That that was from four

Jamie:

years ago. I just happened to find it in my phone.

Scott:

That that's

Jamie:

I was I was dying, dude.

Scott:

I was I was dying. Well, I I can completely relate to Yeah.

Jamie:

Yeah. I was dying. So I I thought that was funny.

Scott:

So yes.

Jamie:

Yeah. So we talked about pushing our kids.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

So do you want to take this one? Do you want to or shall I start?

Scott:

Yeah. It doesn't Well, let's do this kind of first. In terms of pushing kids, think it's worth not necessarily defining what it means to push, but like giving some context, right? I mean, because that's gonna mean something different to different families or different people, So I think when we talk about pushing our kids, we are strongly encouraging them to do things that they don't necessarily want to do. Is that a fair way of

Jamie:

Yeah. I mean, I think kids I can speak for my kid and you tell me if yours is any different. My kid wants to be really good at something. He wants to be really good at hockey. Yep.

Jamie:

Years ago

Scott:

Hold on. Let me get does he wanna be in the NHL?

Jamie:

So listen. If you ask him what he wants to do Yeah. He wants to be our first overall pick in the NHL. Just listen. I'm like, know what, bud?

Jamie:

If that's your dream, go get it.

Scott:

Yep.

Jamie:

I'll take I'll take division one hockey all day long. I don't don't need I don't need him to play in the NHL. Yeah. You know, if he gets into a school, a college, a university that he would not have gotten into on his own because of grades

Scott:

and if

Jamie:

he gets in there because of hockey, I will be absolutely thrilled. You know what I mean? If it opens a door for him that would have been closed previously Otherwise. Because of ice hockey, I'll be thrilled. Yeah.

Jamie:

And I've done my job as a parent.

Scott:

Right. Well

Jamie:

Not that you know

Scott:

what Up to that point in time, I guess.

Jamie:

You know what I mean. Then I I then I've done good so far.

Scott:

Yeah. So the pushing part, so again, Dom's first year Bantam, auto's first year Pee Wee.

Jamie:

So

Scott:

still on the younger side. Otto more so, obviously. And at some point, and I think you're realizing this, that he's starting to push himself. All of a sudden, he

Jamie:

is starting to push himself, which is kind of cool.

Scott:

So think there's a few different ways to kind of go down and talk about this. Mhmm. And and one of them would be the the the situate situations where you would push your kid, let's say. And we talked about this before. Right?

Scott:

Like, if you have a kid that shows no ability and no interest, do you push them? Probably not. I wouldn't think Right? If you have a kid that shows no interest but has ability, do you push them?

Jamie:

Yes.

Scott:

Yes? If you have a kid that has no ability but has interest, do you push them?

Jamie:

Yes.

Scott:

If you have a kid that has ability and interest? Sure. Sure. So let's say those are four different buckets. Of the four, you're probably going to push in three of the four.

Scott:

Yeah. Right?

Jamie:

I think so.

Scott:

Right, for sure.

Jamie:

If you're of that mindset to push and get better at something and to actually, you know

Scott:

Well, let's just talk from like a parental standpoint and like doing right by your kid. And again, we're talking about younger kids who don't know what they don't know and they don't have life experiences. Right? Obviously pushing them outside of their comfort zone is something that I think is part of a parent's job up to a point. I think that's where the nuance and you know, we've all heard horror stories and success stories of Yeah.

Scott:

Too much or you know, whatever. But So I think that like those are some ways to think about it also. Then when it comes to pushing, right, to what end are you pushing a kid? So what are the circumstances under which you're pushing? And then when you're pushing your kid, what does that really look like?

Jamie:

So that's a good question. I think that you could push too hard. Okay. Of course. Pushing for me was always so listen.

Scott:

Let's give examples.

Jamie:

Okay. So for my child, okay? My child could sit on the couch no problem.

Scott:

Well, humans are generally to be lazy.

Jamie:

Okay? So when he came home from a long day at school, he would be like and I'd be like, Dom, let's go to a power skate. He'd be like, no, I don't want to go. Right. And he'd give me a hard time.

Jamie:

But when I took him, okay, and he would always say this even to this day, he would come out of it and he'd be like, You know what, dad? That was kind of fun.

Scott:

Right. Okay. Let's So it's not push, it's like

Jamie:

a gentle, hey, let's go

Scott:

do But what is that? So on any day of the week, that conversation is different. So let's kind of dive into some of that real nuance where it's like, hey, Dom. Right now I can talk about auto or hey, auto. Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah. Like, it's, hey, today we're gonna go power skate. No. No. I'm no way.

Scott:

I'm not not doing it, not going.

Jamie:

I never got that.

Scott:

No. You never got that.

Jamie:

Never got that.

Scott:

You never got I don't wanna go?

Jamie:

I got that once when Dominic was five. He was five and a half. It was a private early in the morning.

Scott:

Yep.

Jamie:

Okay? And literally, I kid you not It

Scott:

was five in the morning.

Jamie:

Sorry, maybe it was like 06:30 in the morning. Or maybe he was six years old. Call it six years old and like

Scott:

At 05:30 in the morning.

Jamie:

No, it wasn't that early. Call it six years old at seven in the morning.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Okay? And I remember he looked at me, I got him dressed in me and he literally would not walk on the ice.

Scott:

Yeah, refused. He's acknowledged. Well, I'm not talking about refusing to go on the He

Jamie:

was literally once and and that was the one only thing.

Scott:

So you're telling me that every other time

Jamie:

Yeah.

Scott:

You've said, Dom, we're go you're going skating now. He's like, cool. He We're not even cool? No. Maybe it's not audible.

Jamie:

He's never giving me a hard time.

Scott:

He's like,

Jamie:

oh, man. Do we have to?

Scott:

He says that or he doesn't say that? He doesn't. Hasn't happened in a while. But he said like, okay, so that's Yeah. But he's verbally communicated to you.

Scott:

Correct. Like, he he would rather do something else.

Jamie:

Of course.

Scott:

At that point in time.

Jamie:

No question.

Scott:

Oh, but ultimately, so now now now it's now now it's push time. So first and foremost, we additional skating outside of practice. Right. Right? So this is extra.

Scott:

Yeah. So whether or not the kid wants to go, that you're pushing your kid. Yeah. Right? Would you agree with that?

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No question about it.

Scott:

Okay. So

Jamie:

It's a gentle in this direction

Scott:

type of thing.

Jamie:

I'm not saying you have to do this or else, that I won't say. And I've never had to because he never really gives me that hard of

Scott:

a time.

Jamie:

It's dad, oh man, we have to go to ski. And I'm like, Dom, what's my ski? He's like, it's boring.

Scott:

It's boring. I love how kids use the word boring for like things they don't wanna do and it doesn't even contextually make any sense. Or they say, it's stupid. You're like, what's stupid about right,

Jamie:

right, right. Stupid or boring

Scott:

is

Jamie:

what you hear, right? Oh, it's stupid. It's boring. You're like, really? Is it stupid

Scott:

or boring? Yes, sir. Yeah. Yeah. But you yeah.

Scott:

No. But I what I guess I'm trying to tease out a little bit more is the idea of like, okay, pushing your kid. So the my question is Mhmm. The moment you start doing things outside of what you've signed up for

Jamie:

Okay.

Scott:

Like, so you're on a team. Now, you're gonna go to to you're gonna go, you know, power skate. Yeah. Is is the the simple is just taking your kid to do another something in addition to the reg like, what they're signed up for, would you categorize that as pushing your kid? And No.

Scott:

No. It's not.

Jamie:

No. I wouldn't. No. Listen, it's exercise for them. It's like Listen, I think kids should exercise every day, period of the story.

Jamie:

Fair. So this is a form of exercise, whether it's skating, whether you go I don't know. Run a mile, you take them to D1, or like whatever. It's it's some or exercise class or it's some form of activity.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

He's not sitting on the couch.

Scott:

Okay. So for me though, I think if it's not if my son is not coming to me and saying, want to do this. Right. And I'm coming to him and saying, let's do that or you're gonna do or do you wanna do this or whatever. I in my opinion, I think at that point, you're starting to push your kid to do something that they're not they're not actively thinking about doing.

Scott:

They might they may or may not want to do it in the moment. But I think once you start out start going beyond what's normally part of like the

Jamie:

Right.

Scott:

Whatever you're signed up for Right. I think that that's where pushing actually starts. And I'm not Yeah.

Jamie:

I'm not not

Scott:

saying with a negative connotation. I understand. The kid every every day could be like, yes. Let's go. Yes.

Scott:

Let's go. Yep.

Jamie:

I know

Scott:

what mean. But if it's not coming from them organically and you're you're you're starting to push them.

Jamie:

No. I know what you mean. Right? Yes. So so Dominic I I always signed Dominic never came to me and said, not never.

Jamie:

That's not true. But very rarely, when he was younger, did he come to me and say, let's go do a power skate. Let's go do a stick handling class. Let's go do a three on three.

Scott:

So you brought the idea

Jamie:

to I always I I I no, I didn't bring it to him. I signed him up.

Scott:

Well, that's bringing the idea

Jamie:

to Hey, bud. We have a stick in in the class of five thirty two.

Scott:

I like how you say we.

Jamie:

Yeah. It's I I I always say we. It's not he's never he's

Scott:

not getting there by himself.

Jamie:

Yes. But when I always say we, like we played hockey here, it's not obviously not me. It's obviously all him. I'm just the chauffeur and the planner.

Scott:

Maybe I should show everyone you shooting pucks earlier.

Jamie:

Should, by the way. Listen, hockey is the one sport I never really played.

Scott:

No. Okay. But you definitely we played.

Jamie:

In the driveway. In the driveway.

Scott:

Yeah. Yeah. No. But you well, you're talking about organized.

Jamie:

Yeah. Listen, I could shoot a hockey puck. Like, if you give me like a curved hockey stick that's my size, I could shoot. I can.

Scott:

No. No. I know you can. I know. I know.

Scott:

I'm about to do it. Okay. So getting back to the pushing part. Yeah. Yeah.

Scott:

Okay. So we agree that

Jamie:

We'll throw that up on like Instagram or something like that and kind of get a laugh for everybody.

Scott:

No doubt. We should actually do we should do a shooting contest, me and Yeah.

Jamie:

Sure. You'll kick the shit

Scott:

out of But then we can do a pickleball contest.

Jamie:

And I'll kick the shit out you. You'll kick

Scott:

the shit out of me. Yeah. That's good. Maybe we should do jujitsu also. I It doesn't matter.

Jamie:

And which is kind of a sidebar for parents. In my opinion, have your kids box or do jujitsu. They are two phenomenal things for your kids like cardio and discipline. But the one thing about them is and they also bring confidence to a kid. They're tremendous things.

Jamie:

And jujitsu is something that your kids will learn because if they ever get into a scrape, most fights to the ground. Like 90 something percent of fights go to the ground. And in my opinion, if your child knows jujitsu or you know jujitsu, jujitsu is

Scott:

like G code?

Jamie:

When somebody goes to the ground and they don't know how to fight on the ground, it's like throwing somebody who doesn't know how to swim into a Right.

Scott:

That's a great It's that uncomfortable. It's that uncomfortable.

Jamie:

When you're on your back and somebody is working you

Scott:

On top, yeah.

Jamie:

You're fucked. You're fucked. If it goes to a street fight, and any kid, any of our children, right? And the kid's just doing jujitsu, but then you bring striking into it. If you're laying on your back and you don't know how to defend yourself, and somebody's just teeing off on you who knows jujitsu and knows how Yes, that's

Scott:

spot to

Jamie:

be in. So I think it's a good thing for kids to learn.

Scott:

Yeah. Alright. Yeah. So getting back to the I think agree. Sorry.

Scott:

Yeah. No. Well, I think I started it. Exactly. So pushing.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Well, pushing. I sent Dominic to jujitsu too. So we're talking about pushing. Yeah. Dominic does jujitsu Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, and

Scott:

Three days a week now? Really?

Jamie:

Maybe it's two. But we missed we during the hockey season, we miss a ton.

Scott:

No. No. I understand. I get So yeah. Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah. I mean, I saw you there

Jamie:

with Noah. Mentors there, you know, so it's good for him. But but, again, that's the thing. Whether it's jiu jitsu, whether it's a power skate, whether it's a stick handling class, whether it's an edge work class, you know, he just wants to sit on the couch and hang out. So pushing your

Scott:

so now we're talking, so I think that's totally normal, plenty of people do it, like they're doing extra work, whatever the kids have to do, But parents end up pushing them to go, hey, here's a nudge. Let's go do this. Right. But then I think when it starts to get not dicey is not the right word, but where things can start to get complicated with younger kids is like when the kid, let's say, loves to play hockey. Mhmm.

Scott:

Right? Is is good at it. Right. Right? And good is relative.

Jamie:

But, you

Scott:

know, as a parent, you wanna I want to push

Jamie:

my kid

Scott:

to foster it to get them out of their comfort And let's say they give pushback. They don't wanna do it but it's more than just like, know, it was more than just like, I don't feel like it. Oh, come on. Okay. Fine.

Scott:

I'll go. Right. You know, I think that this is when you start to get into these areas where you

Jamie:

have

Scott:

parents that can do, have pushed their kids too hard. Sure. And you know, if you're gonna make your kid do things that they clearly don't wanna do, maybe you're threatening consequences if your kid's not gonna do that, right?

Jamie:

I never had to do that.

Scott:

But when you start getting into

Jamie:

those conversations Dominic never pushed back on me like that. It was always he just wants to hang out at home instead. You know what I mean? It was the path of least resistance.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

You know, I never got If I was getting pushed back like that, like if my kid was throwing an absolute fit and just absolute And it would come home miserable, then I would have had to rethink that. Yeah. Here And maybe gone down another road because you can't continue that. Again, I've never experienced that. That one time I experienced it when he was just blatantly defiant and like, I'm not getting anything.

Jamie:

I'm not doing this. That was a one time thing when he was very, very young ever since. And he always comes out of stuff going, Wow, that was fun.

Scott:

Yeah, or it wasn't as bad as I thought it was gonna be. Correct. And

Jamie:

he's glad he did it when he gets home.

Scott:

That's like anyone. Just think about going to exercise when you don't want to. You always feel better when you're done exercising,

Jamie:

When you got here, Dominic was outside shooting. It's 100 degrees where we are today.

Scott:

No

Jamie:

doubt. Right? Before you got here, he was telling me, he's like, Dad, I don't wanna be out here.

Scott:

But he knows it's good for him.

Jamie:

And he pushes through it, which

Scott:

is awesome.

Jamie:

And I did not tell him to go shoot.

Scott:

That was all him on his own. Yeah, that's So

Jamie:

we've gotten to the point where I do not have to push. He came to me last Friday, he's like, Dad, we haven't done the ice enough. I'm like, Really? He's like, We have not been on the ice He's like, what can you find me?

Scott:

So

Jamie:

I found a stick ailing class that we went to on Saturday and it's funny too because he's I remember when he was the youngest and smallest kid in the class and the big kids used to tool on him and now he's the opposite. They played like four zero four at the end, just kind of messing around and he hit Michigan like three times.

Scott:

That's pretty dope.

Jamie:

Yeah, that's pretty cool, not going lie. But it's funny how things kind of come full circle.

Scott:

Right, so as far as pushing though, so something that I go through and it's like that balance of and I think this is something that a lot of people experience is striking that balance of pushing without For Otto, a lot of times, it's important that he's having fun. Of course. And I will tell you this. For him, working on his edges Is not fun. Is not fun.

Scott:

I get Now I understand. I have to push him harder. Yeah. And I I get that. A lot of

Jamie:

times I get that.

Scott:

He's he's happy to go do extra stuff. Yeah. If I'm like, dude, you're going to power skating tonight and he He's in mood I don't wanna go. He'll he'll be like Yeah. Do I have to?

Scott:

I I understand And at the up until there was a time when he was younger, I would say, yes, you have to. And then he got older and now I not that I ever physically made him, but like, you know, he's not like I don't know if afraid is the right word, but like if I raise my voice or if I, you know, whatever, he's past the point of like me being able to like use some of my old tricks to get him to go. So now it's like if it's not fun for him Yeah.

Jamie:

He knows what you're gonna pull.

Scott:

Yeah. If it's not fun for

Jamie:

him Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah. He doesn't necessarily want. And then that's where it's like, okay. Yeah. As a parent, here I am.

Scott:

I'm trying to push him to go do something that I know it might not be fun and my wife says this all the time. Right. It might not you you might not have fun going out there practicing your edges, but when you're the best skater on the ice, it's gonna be a lot of fucking fun. Right? No question.

Scott:

So like that's where like the parenting piece I think is really important to help their kids understand And I I if he doesn't want to go, I not going to push. I pick and choose my battles, right? And so if he doesn't want to go power skating, then I'm like, okay, so maybe let's find a stickhand in class or maybe let's find something else.

Jamie:

But he'll do something.

Scott:

Yeah, and week over week he's doing something extra, but it's not always the things that I necessarily think he should do. But he's doing something. He's doing something. At some point there's gonna be a time. Every week he goes to a 7AM skills, semi private class.

Scott:

And he does that willingly. He does it

Jamie:

He likes that.

Scott:

Yeah, he's happy to do it. Think he likes getting up early. But there you know, I I would I think where it gets hard is just how hard do you push when your kid maybe doesn't wanna do it. And you can, you know, and I think that's where everyone has to find their own line with their own kid. Right.

Jamie:

Yeah, that's

Scott:

my concern

Jamie:

That's true.

Scott:

And part of the reason why I've backed off on insisting that like, listen, dude, it's super important. I'll still tell him it's super important that you work on your edges and like in power skate and if you want to you you wanna play at a high level like you say you do, then you gotta do the things

Jamie:

that people Right? Question. There's no easy way to get around it. You have to work on your skating.

Scott:

Right. He's done It just

Jamie:

is what it is.

Scott:

Yeah, no, 100%. So at this point, I don't push as hard as I maybe did or I definitely did, like I say, two years ago because I see him still doing things that are extra willingly and he wants to and he likes to play.

Jamie:

Know what? That's awesome then.

Scott:

But I you know, as much as I would like for him to be like, Dad, I really wanna go work on my skating, that's that's honestly, that's just not so much fun for him he would rather be doing something 100%

Jamie:

get

Scott:

that. And I am not gonna push him at this point to

Jamie:

To do something he doesn't wanna do.

Scott:

I tell him the consequences of his actions. Like, I explain it to him. Like, dude, like, listen. I understand you don't wanna do that. Yeah.

Jamie:

No. That's fair. If you say, hey, listen, bud. I know you don't wanna do it, but just so you know, it's gonna come back. Listen.

Jamie:

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

Scott:

So

Jamie:

you not doing this, I mean, you're just not going to be as good of a skater. You're just not going to

Scott:

be. I mean, it's just life. My concern that comes up for right, is that like if he's not going to do that, then he's like over time, he's gonna do less skating. Yes. He's gonna be even less interested.

Scott:

Yes. And again, this is fear based thinking. I'm not saying it's like feelings are not facts. But my concern is that over time, he's gonna do a little bit, you know, he's not gonna wanna do any of the hard stuff and then it's gonna be like, I'm not as interested in hockey anymore. Like that, like I have this like doomsday thinking.

Jamie:

And listen, and I understand that because there's something to be said for doing hard things. Like today, Dominic did not want to be out there in 100 degree weather shooting. He did not want to be. Right? And I get that.

Jamie:

And I said to him, Dom, you're doing hard things. He goes, Well, you know, if we had to set up in the basement, it'd be easier when you're shooting it. It's cool down there. I'm like, Yeah, I get that. But you know what?

Jamie:

When it's the third period or you're in double overtime or triple overtime and you need to find the extra grit to go do the hard things to win a championship or whatever it is or to win in whatever the situation is, you will have, I want to say prepared for it, but you will have kind of been there before and walked in those shoes.

Scott:

Yes.

Jamie:

So it's already known that maybe it comes easier than it would if he doing hard things is not fun.

Scott:

No, it's like David Goggins. He talks about his cookie jar. Yes. Got to

Jamie:

doubt. Exactly.

Scott:

One thing I wanted to touch on

Jamie:

And it's a life skill doing hard things.

Scott:

No doubt. I don't want

Jamie:

to work today, do you?

Scott:

No. No. I don't want to work.

Jamie:

I'm going on vacation tomorrow. The last thing I want do is work Yeah,

Scott:

yeah. No doubt.

Jamie:

You know? But I had to. Yeah. You have to. Yeah.

Jamie:

You do what you gotta do. And when you're done with work, then you go do other things. And Dominic knows that. When he's done doing his stuff, can have at it.

Scott:

Right. You know? Yeah. And I think part of the pushing piece is that when pushing's involved, even if the kid loves the game, the circumstances and the dynamic with at home or getting in the car or the car ride there or the car ride back, if that is a negative experience repeatedly, even if the kid likes playing the game.

Jamie:

Yeah. No. That's

Scott:

not Holistically, hockey is no longer fun. No. No. And and my concern is that if I am too pushy with him

Jamie:

Yeah. That's not good.

Scott:

Then it it it's it's it's not going to be fun and he's not going to want to do it. Then so that's as a parent, I've definitely been more lax than I was in years past And I'm taking a little bit more of a cue from him. But at the same time, like I shared with you, the kid gets up at seven in the morning, goes running

Jamie:

No, that's

Scott:

awesome. That's

Jamie:

great school.

Scott:

That's awesome.

Jamie:

Good for him

Scott:

doing that. That's great. That's awesome. But one thing I wanted to share

Jamie:

That's really awesome.

Scott:

Yeah, no, it's good. So there are signs. And so if I'm seeing signs that this kid That's great. That he's showing willingness to do hard things on his own, then I feel less inclined to push harder. I don't know if that even makes too much

Jamie:

sense. Does. I will say when they get older, They take ownership. Yeah, and they're more willing to do those things without mom and dad having to tell them to go do them. It was a lot of years that I told him, Dom, make sure you go do your shooting and stick handling for a long time.

Jamie:

And now he does it himself. Don't even have to say anything to

Scott:

him.

Jamie:

He just does it. It's part of his daily routine, which I think is great.

Scott:

Yeah. And we're concerned about creating good habits.

Jamie:

Yes.

Scott:

But one thing I wanted to mention and we talked about this earlier was the different scenarios where like your kid's good and like, know, your kid has ability and likes it, so you push. Your kid has ability and doesn't like it so much is something that I have with my daughter in swimming. And she's younger than Otto. We're still talking about a young child. But you put her in the water and she's like a little fish.

Scott:

And she's she as young as four, she was on swim teams.

Jamie:

Right.

Scott:

And as young as four, she was coming in first place. No. She was great. Know, blah

Jamie:

blah blah. Yeah. She still is.

Scott:

Yeah. But she doesn't love to swim. And so so she has ability but doesn't like it.

Jamie:

And she knows she's good at it.

Scott:

She knows. She's got like first place ribbons and second place and seventh place too. Seventh place ribbons. What a joke that is. But but my point is that as a parent You

Jamie:

shouldn't get anything after first place. Exactly. Oh, you are the first and second losers.

Scott:

What I wanted to share was that as a parent, because she has ability, I am gonna continue to push

Jamie:

You should. Her would.

Scott:

To be in the pool Yeah. With in in even if she's not on a team, like, maybe, like, let's I'll take her to the pool. Or, like, you know, let's sign you up for a lesson. You know, maybe you this one like lifeguard at the pool, like let's go do a swim lesson with her if she offers them. Because I don't want ability that she has to go completely like out of sight, out of mind.

Scott:

I want her to at least be somewhat connected to the sport of swimming until she's clearly beyond don't know what the right word is.

Jamie:

There's a reason why our children don't vote until they're 18. Kids are They don't know. They don't know. That's why children that's why they're parents until they're whatever age because they need guidance.

Scott:

They need guidance. Yeah.

Jamie:

And if I listened to every time my kid said no to something, my kid would

Scott:

Be doing nothing.

Jamie:

Yeah, exactly. What could that have been?

Scott:

So what about a parent who has a kid that likes the game, has ability, and then just like overindulges their kid with like countless hours of like, know, before school, after school, weekend? Like, we know parents that, like, drive.

Jamie:

Yes.

Scott:

Like, I mean, you had kids on, like, the the team that were driving from,

Jamie:

away. Almost three hours away.

Scott:

No. Well, two and

Jamie:

a half there are two people coming from, two forty five, two onetwo hours.

Scott:

But you have a kid that likes it and has the ability, then you're pushing them to no end to do more and more and more. You know, I really wonder I know I'm cutting you off and I'm sorry. I'll just say No, no, no, no. But the the idea of burnout. Right?

Jamie:

Like I'm sure it's it's very real.

Scott:

I know it's real.

Jamie:

Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah. I know it's real. But it's like you also when you like you hear when you hear stories, they're usually the success stories. You don't go to YouTube and watch all the burnout stories. So what's advertised and what's put in front of your eyes is all the success stories.

Scott:

Well, that's what social media is.

Jamie:

Not many people are gonna

Scott:

have that. It's all the highlights and not the lowlights.

Jamie:

Because nobody wants to watch it.

Scott:

Although fails are funny to watch.

Jamie:

Sometimes. Sometimes. I guess they are.

Scott:

Well, sometimes they're very hard to watch.

Jamie:

Especially the gym fails. Those are so funny, the gym fail videos.

Scott:

No doubt. Oh my god. But I mean, I I part of me like, you have you have to take sometimes like a leap of faith that less might be more and I guess I just don't know.

Jamie:

Listen, I think there's a point of when you cross a line, I'm sure there is. What that line is, it's probably different for everybody, to be honest with you. I guess it's also how much your kid can tolerate. If your kid keeps asking for more, you as the parent have to then rein them in a little bit. I don't think you should just keep going.

Jamie:

There's a happy medium somewhere. And I think each situation is probably different. Like those kids that are getting in the car and driving two and a

Scott:

half hours, they don't mind it, which is wild. I don't know.

Jamie:

Do they not mind it? I don't think they do. I don't know.

Scott:

I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

Jamie:

Don't do it, so I can't speak to it. But knowing those two kids, unless they were telling their dad something different that I didn't know about. Right. Listen, I'm sure there's kids that drive two and a hours and the kids are like, I don't want to fucking do this anymore. I'm sure, but for the ones that I know, I don't think that was the case.

Scott:

And you don't think Dude,

Jamie:

unless they were putting on a really happy face, but they're both very happy kids. I didn't notice that.

Scott:

I don't know. Did you hear about families that fly from other states? You had that. From Florida up

Jamie:

I had a kid from Florida on our team, yeah.

Scott:

I came across Every weekend. A family that flew up to play for a team out of Long Island. Shit's crazy. I wouldn't do it. No, know.

Jamie:

I wouldn't get on a plane every weekend and fly my kid up. That to me, I don't

Scott:

But is that not the parent just living vicariously through their kid?

Jamie:

The parent that I knew that did it would come up here the hockey in Florida was different than it is here. So their situation I think was a little different than this. Listen, and I give him a lot of credit because he had the balls to get his kid on a plane every weekend and fly up here. It's like flying for business every week.

Scott:

But at what cost? Listen, I'm sure it wasn't cheap. No, I'm not even talking about the financial cost.

Jamie:

Well, listen, his kid's a good hockey player and he plays on a good team, number three in the country for the twelfth birth year. The kid's good and the dad's a great dude. I spoke to him like three weeks ago. Dad's a great dude and he does it. But listen, I'm sure some people are doing it for their kid and the kid's not into it.

Jamie:

I'm sure that's also a thing. I have not run into that but I can guarantee it.

Scott:

Or, yeah.

Jamie:

I can guarantee there's a shitload of them out there that we're just not seeing.

Scott:

Yes, no doubt. And I think those are extreme examples. I think it's easy to kind of just brush off to the side as just being, like, over the top and, like, so far down the spectrum. But I think more more people in more places, more times are faced with, like, do I want my kid to have like a somewhat of a like a balanced like you want them to have interest in other things. You want them I want them to a social life.

Jamie:

Of course.

Scott:

You know, and if it's just hockey all day every day or sports all day every day, supplementing

Jamie:

this I don't

Scott:

think that's

Jamie:

Yeah, no. Think you need kids to be kids and kids need to go out with social life.

Scott:

My concern is like if for yeah, is the kid the kid might not be showing signs of burnout now. But he

Jamie:

may in a couple years.

Scott:

But he may in a couple years and that's like the risk, right? And you don't know That's when they shut down. Time will tell.

Jamie:

No, you don't know. You do what you think is right for your child and hopefully it winds up working out. But you should be aware

Scott:

Yes, that's a good way to put

Jamie:

You should be self aware of what you're doing and really I think take notice of what you are doing and whether it's good or bad. I review what you're doing and just you know, be honest with yourself. Is it good or bad?

Scott:

Right. Right? Good or bad's like a hard like, I'm not I understand what you're saying.

Jamie:

I don't know another way to

Scott:

say it. Yeah. No. Fair.

Jamie:

I'm using good or bad because I can't come up with excessive.

Scott:

Excessive or too excessive? Correct.

Jamie:

Yes, thank you. Those are better words than mine. You have to be honest with yourself. If you're not being honest, then don't do the exercise. But if you're being honest with yourself, again, college scouts and coaches, they want kids that are multi sport athletes.

Jamie:

It's Okay to not go to a stick handling class and go to a strength and conditioning or like a speed and agility. That's Okay.

Scott:

Of course.

Jamie:

I think that's a good substitute. It doesn't always have to be ice related.

Scott:

Where do you put yourself? And I'll answer this question. I feel right now, personally, I feel

Jamie:

like I'm not pushing hard enough. So I really don't have to push anymore again. I don't have to. Has reached a point where I don't have to say anything. I schedule things for him.

Jamie:

He goes and does not say boo. He goes and he goes to speed and agility. He goes to jujitsu. He goes to his skates. He goes to his stuff.

Jamie:

And he has no problem doing it. To those parents out there, I would say just review what you're doing and be honest with yourself as to how much or how little you're doing, right?

Scott:

Yeah. Yeah. It's a hard thing.

Jamie:

It is a hard thing.

Scott:

It's a hard thing.

Jamie:

I don't think there's a right answer. Every situation is different.

Scott:

No, there is not.

Jamie:

But I will tell you this. When your kid gets older, if you've done it the right way, they will take over.

Scott:

I think that's an interesting your kid at some point and again, if your kid doesn't at some point take it over themselves Then

Jamie:

maybe it's not meant to be. Then maybe it's not

Scott:

meant to be.

Jamie:

I that will show itself.

Scott:

Right. And that comes at different ages, which also makes it more difficult. But it's probably reasonable to say that at least until, I don't know what, Dom, is 13 now?

Jamie:

Just turned 13, yeah.

Scott:

14, 15, like in that zone

Jamie:

I think so.

Scott:

If they're

Jamie:

not taking complete

Scott:

ownership and you're still having to push. Maybe it's Maybe it's time just to

Jamie:

Yeah.

Scott:

Not pack it in but

Jamie:

just No, but maybe reevaluate. Reassess. Yeah, yeah. Reassess. I you'll know at that point in time.

Scott:

Yeah, that's fair.

Jamie:

Because then you're in high school and you'll start to see stuff. I think you'll know. Like juniors, a lot of kids will be playing juniors at that point or they'll be getting drafted into juniors. So I think that it'll be very apparent at that age, if we're talking to hockey players.

Scott:

Yeah. So there you go. Sweet, dude.

Jamie:

Yeah. Hopefully that was helpful for everybody. You want to talk a little NHL? Do we have time to talk to NHL?

Scott:

I mean, I think it's worthwhile.

Jamie:

Yeah, I do too. Fuck.

Scott:

I mean,

Jamie:

this is our first episode since the Stanley Cup finals has finished.

Scott:

Wow.

Jamie:

I think our last one was the day before or two days before the game six, something like that, if I'm not mistaken.

Scott:

But my goodness, The better team clearly won. Outclassed them to no It

Jamie:

almost surprises me that last year went to seven games because this year, I know it went six games, but don't forget, Edmonton won one overtime. Florida was up three nothing in one game. They came back and won, I think, also in overtime in Florida, right? The difference between these two teams, I thought they were a lot more even. Yeah.

Jamie:

They're not even close.

Scott:

Yeah. Not even close. And like when you have Marsh Anne as like your third line I mean, you listen to other pundits and like other podcasts and like you hear the stats and this and that, but the depth It's just not there. Florida has like that's not it's

Jamie:

so It doesn't happen. And and I I don't know about I I don't know how many points in McDavid and Drysidl finished for the finals, but I I did not think either one of them had an impressive final. Did you?

Scott:

No. I don't think anyone really did.

Jamie:

Other than a bunch of Florida Panthers?

Scott:

No. Yeah. But I was talking about Edmonton. I mean Edmonton You know, they I think the Spint and Chiclets talked about, like, when Ekholm rejoined the fray, that was, like, not that or was it was it Elliot Friedman? I was listening to someone just talking about I think it was Friedman actually on 32 Thoughts was just talking about when Ekholm rejoined the mix.

Scott:

Right? Like he wasn't his normal self and that mean, echo

Jamie:

He was hurt, and Hyman being out didn't help him.

Scott:

Neutian Hopkins apparently had a broken hand.

Jamie:

He was not healthy. He was not healthy.

Scott:

Is he Barcoff's hand?

Jamie:

Yeah. I was just gonna say, but you know what? At that point in the season, nobody's healthy. Like, if you listen to Matthew Kaczuk's dad Yeah. Matthew Kaczuk's dad's like, yeah.

Jamie:

He probably shouldn't have been skating.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

Like, I mean, you know, I think he had, like, a something was separated from the bone. Like, the muscle was separated from the bone. Right. Like, his dad's like, yeah. Shouldn't be on the ice.

Scott:

Right. Everybody, so But everybody had injuries. So everyone had injuries. At that point. No doubt.

Scott:

So so, yeah.

Jamie:

So it it it's probably all par for the course.

Scott:

It's like a wash, you think, at the end of the I

Jamie:

do. I do. You know? But but listen, the the the depth even if Jaime was there, the depth The Florida. Depth that they have.

Jamie:

I mean, my god.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

I mean, if you saw if you saw, you know, Dry Seadle and McDavid were going out every other shift in those last couple games.

Scott:

Crazy. What about Evander Kane at the end?

Jamie:

They're gonna trade him, by the way.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

He's not gonna be on

Scott:

the end of New Orleans next year.

Jamie:

He's a fucking head case.

Scott:

Yeah. Listen. He's dead. Like, there's no doubt he's Yeah.

Jamie:

He's he's a good player, but he's a fucking head case.

Scott:

Listen. What what he did with Ka'Chuck at the end was so unsportsmanlike.

Jamie:

He is not gonna be on that

Scott:

team next year.

Jamie:

Yeah. There's a reason he's not on San Jose anymore.

Scott:

I don't know all about all the backstory, but clearly that there's stuff on the ice, off the ice. He took some stupid penalties. Stupid penalties. He took himself out of the series.

Jamie:

No question about it, did

Scott:

he No. But you know that I don't know. Yeah, me neither. That was crazy.

Jamie:

Did you notice how when Bennett took the Kahn's Smythe, he just kind of put on the bench? He's like, yes, he is. We had no

Scott:

interest in it. Yeah.

Jamie:

That team is a real team.

Scott:

Through and through.

Jamie:

Like, they're not just like two superstars, bunch of guys. They're a legit team.

Scott:

Yeah. They're band of brothers.

Jamie:

Yeah. Like Seth Jones and Marshan, I think, melted perfectly into that group.

Scott:

What pickups at the end? Like, Jesus. Dude. Everyone was writing Seth Jones off too, like in In Chicago.

Jamie:

Oh, my god. The guy was a stud in the playoffs. Marshan? Marshan almost won the Khan Smith.

Scott:

Yeah. Wild.

Jamie:

Do you think that do you think that Marshan resigns?

Scott:

I'm I think so.

Jamie:

Did you see did you see

Scott:

I think it's hard like, it's it's hardened. It would be it's gotta be so hard not to. Like, if you're Marshan, like, you know, like when Spit and Chikos talks about like like contracts and they're like, I don't know, it's only $9,000,000, only 10,000,000. I'm like, I don't know. I don't make, you know, that kind of money, but that seems like a lot of money to leave.

Scott:

I can understand why someone would leave for an extra $9,000,000. Like, maybe I'm just being

Jamie:

like foolish. Over over a contract.

Scott:

I mean, I can understand why someone would. That said, I would not wanna be on if I'm on the Panthers, I don't wanna be on a different team.

Jamie:

Ibo, did you hear what Bennett said? Bennett was on he was in like a club somewhere in like Downtown Florida. Yeah. And you've seen Wolf of Wall Street?

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

So you've seen where Leonardo the book was tremendous by the way. Read the book before the movie even came But in the movie, Leonardo DiCaprio is on a microphone and he's addressing all of his employees And he was the SEC was basically barring him from the industry.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

And he's like, I'm not fucking leaving. So Bennett got on a microphone in some club and he's like, I'm not fucking leaving. So mean, listen, if that's the case, I mean, shit. And I I can't imagine Marshan's leaving either.

Scott:

You you literally if you're on that team, like, you're you're the most modern you're you're like you're a dynasty.

Jamie:

Can you imagine if they if they bring everybody back and and then go again?

Scott:

Here. How about this? Ready? Next year's twenty twenty six Stanley Cup finals.

Jamie:

Okay.

Scott:

Florida versus Edmonton. Stop. Yes or no?

Jamie:

No. No. I don't think Edmonton goes again. I think Edmonton is going to listen. Unless

Scott:

they get But but but they get a goalie, dude

Jamie:

Yeah.

Scott:

But let's not goaltending is shit. Okay. But let's not forget that save for the beginning of the LA series, they pretty much mowed down the West.

Jamie:

Okay. Fair. Fair. Alright. I mean, listen.

Jamie:

I don't know who's gonna beat them. I do not think they make back to the Stanley Cup finals. I do not. Listen. You don't know if McDavid and Jarvis will be healthy?

Jamie:

One of them goes down.

Scott:

One them

Jamie:

goes down.

Scott:

Well, yeah. But Florida too.

Jamie:

Well, we're we're talking about, do I think Edmonton's gonna be in the Stanley Cup finals? I do not. And if they do,

Scott:

I feel bad. Same thing is same thing. Yeah.

Jamie:

Because they're not gonna beat them. They're not gonna them. You're just not. They're they're just the the and

Scott:

again Do you think anyone in the West could? Is there forget the West. In the East too, is there anyone that's primed to beat Florida next year? Obviously, the trade

Jamie:

We're talking Easter we're talking we're talking either one?

Scott:

Either one. I mean, were down two nothing in Toronto, and they came back. No more Mariner.

Jamie:

Yeah, Mariner's not gonna be in Toronto next year.

Scott:

No, he's gonna go to the West. That's what he said he wanted.

Jamie:

Oh, is that what said?

Scott:

Apparently, it seems like LA and Vegas are like

Jamie:

Dude, Vegas should grab them in a fucking heartbeat.

Scott:

Yeah, I yeah. I think those are the headlines that

Jamie:

were Take a state tax free friendly deal. That's part of the fucking cap Save them cap space.

Scott:

Look at the teams that are fucking like, Tampa Bay, Florida, Dallas, Vegas.

Jamie:

You know, there's a reason why those teams are good.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

Again, you're giving a guy, Barkov makes 10,000,000, Chuck makes 10,000,000. Let's just say Bennett on his on his UFA year is gonna make 10,000,000.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

They're getting paid, like, a $12,000,000 a year guy.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

Because they're not paying state tax in the state

Scott:

that they And you have team as the other one you spend on def players.

Jamie:

$6,000,000 left over to go put toward your third and fourth line.

Scott:

It's an unfair advantage. It's huge. It's got it's an unfair advantage.

Jamie:

Which is why what's his name? Didn't wanna answer when Bisson had asked him. Oh, Betman? Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie:

He did not want it because he knows that it's a clear advantage.

Scott:

It's a clear advantage.

Jamie:

It just is. Yeah. Like, I'm sorry, it is.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

You have more money to put toward anywhere else because you just have an advantage. You have more money to spend. Period. End of story. Like you said, there's a reason why those teams are winning Stanley Cups.

Jamie:

Yep. They have an advantage.

Scott:

You know, just And in

Jamie:

the NHL, we'll not fix that.

Scott:

There's no way to fix that because you have

Jamie:

a hard salary cap. So everybody has to spend the same amount of money, but some teams have an advantage because they will have more money left over because

Scott:

of state No Right?

Jamie:

So you can give capper friendly deals, but they're still making the similar money to guys in places like Boston or places like New Jersey or New York City. Right? So yeah, I mean, but you think Edmonton and Florida next year is the only Cup final? I don't

Scott:

know that I think that, But I kind of think that.

Jamie:

Florida clearly

Scott:

is the Assuming everyone stays healthy, healthy enough

Jamie:

they bring back Live it. And they bring back Martian, I think they're going to.

Scott:

Yeah. What about Ekblad?

Jamie:

Ekblad too I think is going to stay. I think all those guys stay. Think they will be back in the finals.

Scott:

Against Edmonton? No. Who do you predict? Just do it now for shits and giggles. So a year from now we can reference this and be like

Jamie:

So I want to say I think Dallas will be involved.

Scott:

In the finals? Yeah. Or the Avalanche. Okay.

Jamie:

I don't know which one. I don't know what they're going do in free agency. It depends what happens.

Scott:

Zigris to Philadelphia? Philadelphia.

Jamie:

You knew he was not gonna be

Scott:

on He has not been playing well the last couple of years. So he's been injured.

Jamie:

Yeah, but he's also He's not been doing well. I'm not shocked at all that they moved on from him.

Scott:

But they picked up Cryder?

Jamie:

Yeah, and Truba last year. They have a good what's his name?

Scott:

You'd rather have Cryder over Zigris, a healthy Zigris?

Jamie:

Listen, I have not looked at Kreider's numbers recently, but I bet you Kreider's numbers and Zigris's numbers, even when Zigris played a full 82, is very similar.

Scott:

Yeah. But his first full 82 was just past COVID. No? He hasn't been in the league very long. Ziggurus?

Scott:

I I don't know why. He's taking three, four I don't years tops in league?

Jamie:

I do not know what happened to Trevor Ziggurus, but he has not been the same player.

Scott:

He was also injured. I'm not saying that's the only reason.

Jamie:

I need to look this up, but I would say that Chris Kreider's numbers are very similar to Ziros's numbers.

Scott:

All I'm saying though is that there's a big age gap.

Jamie:

I think they're both like oh, yeah. No question about it. But I think they're both like 50 ish point guys.

Scott:

But if you were trying to rebuild?

Jamie:

Well, listen. If if if Philly's trying to get younger, I mean, Jesus.

Scott:

You got Michikoff. But, like, he like, Zigress was on. Like, he was with, like, Leo Carlson. He was with Yeah.

Jamie:

There's lot of young dudes there.

Scott:

Cutter Gautier. That's

Jamie:

Cutter Gauthier is a hell of man. McTavish. McTavish is there. Yep. Yeah.

Jamie:

Mason McTavish. Not Max. Mason. Thank you.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

Mason McTavish. No. I heard they're trying to trade Troy Terry again.

Scott:

Let's see what happens.

Jamie:

They need a younger goalie. Gibson's not young. But listen, so I guess it depends on what happens with free agency.

Scott:

We'll see. It'll be interesting. So tell me now, who do you predict in the finals next year? So I have to pick? You have to pick.

Scott:

The gun is to your All

Jamie:

I'm gonna say Dallas, and I'm going to say Florida.

Scott:

And who's gonna win? Florida. Have

Jamie:

They're going to three people.

Scott:

How about this one? Bunked to my head, that's where I'm going. McDavid loses for the third year in a row.

Jamie:

In the finals. To Florida.

Scott:

He's going to sign

Jamie:

Not with Edmonton after that.

Scott:

He's gonna sign a short term contract. This year? An extension.

Jamie:

You think he's gonna sign a one year extension?

Scott:

I don't know about one year. It's gonna be short. It's not I don't think he's gonna lock it in for life.

Jamie:

He's stupid if he does.

Scott:

Yeah. He's dead.

Jamie:

Unless he loves the city of Edmonton that much.

Scott:

He is not going to. I and and the yeah. I That's what I would guess.

Jamie:

I don't know

Scott:

this for because he said everything is about winning.

Jamie:

I don't know this for a fact, but if he's not ripping pissed, then I Listen. He doesn't have kids. He doesn't give a shit about All this dude wants to do is win. Yeah. And in my opinion, he's not going to win in Edmonton.

Jamie:

He's just not.

Scott:

Because of Florida?

Jamie:

No. Partially because of Florida, but I also think that in a salary capped game where you're going to have I mean, if what the Spitting Chicklets guys is true, let's just say that they pay him $17,000,000 I was saying 15,000,000 because it's got to be more than dry cycle. So I was throwing 15,000,000 out there. They're talking like 17,000,000 to 18,000,000 which I was not throwing out. So let's just say 17.

Jamie:

So he's making 17. Dry cycle's making 14. Bouchard is a free agent. You're gonna have to pay him at least 10.

Scott:

I don't know about that.

Jamie:

So you're gonna have $52 ish million of your salary cap in three dudes?

Scott:

And Darnell's on, like, nine and change

Jamie:

So there you go. So he's just about $10,000,000 So you're talking four guys. There's your oh, I didn't Biz say something about core four. Was that his core four?

Scott:

Nurse, Bouchard, McDavid, and Drysdale.

Jamie:

Was that his Core Four that he mentioned on? Yeah. Was that them? So you're talking $62 ish million in four guys?

Scott:

Yeah. No.

Jamie:

Sorry. I don't see it happening.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

I don't think nurse is the Listen, if you're talking like In my opinion, I don't think you can win in today's NHL with having that much of your cap wrapped up in a handful of people. Players. I don't think you can do it. Yeah. I just don't.

Jamie:

Which is why I think Florida has such an advantage because they don't need to pay anybody $14,000,000

Scott:

or

Jamie:

$12,000,000 They don't need to do it. And I think some of these guys take, won't say hometown discounts, but I don't think that you can win. That's why I don't think Edmonton's ever going to win because if you're spending all that money, plus where are you getting a goalie from? Who are you going to get?

Scott:

I don't know.

Jamie:

Right? Show me where you're going to get a goaltender.

Scott:

Yeah. I don't see it. I just don't. The Devils tried to get

Jamie:

a goalie for years and they got an older Jacob Markstrom. If Markstrom was on Edmonton, do you think they wouldn't stay in the cup?

Scott:

No. I don't think so either. No. I don't think so either. So, you know, so that's that's my point.

Scott:

Unless you put If you put Hellebuck

Jamie:

I was just gonna say, if you put Hellebuck or Ottinger in that, I still don't think they wanna stay on the cup.

Scott:

I also agree with that.

Jamie:

So I think Edmonton which is why I don't think that Conor McDavid is gonna stay with the Oilers. Yeah. But the problem is, is he has to go someplace and he's going to demand big money. Somebody will take him. Florida.

Jamie:

That ain't no. Listen, I don't think so.

Scott:

No, I know.

Jamie:

And maybe like a rebuilding Tampa?

Scott:

I don't know.

Jamie:

Right? Going to be interesting though, that's for sure. But the Stanley Cup finals was awesome. And all the stuff on Instagram about the Florida Panthers is phenomenal.

Scott:

Yeah, it's great.

Jamie:

It's fantastic with Marshand serving Dairy Queen. Totally. Reinhart. Was it Reinhart or Bennett? One of them was serving raisin cane,

Scott:

the chicken breast. Really? Have you had that, by the way? No. It's that good?

Jamie:

It's pretty good.

Scott:

It's fucking chicken.

Jamie:

Yeah. But it's pretty good. Okay. There's one around the Philly area.

Scott:

Yeah?

Jamie:

Yeah. There's not any

Scott:

I'll take your word for it. I was around a word. I was near one. Yeah. I don't know when, I didn't go.

Jamie:

There's none around here. There's definitely none around here.

Scott:

All right. Well

Jamie:

So there you go, dude.

Scott:

That's it. This was fun, man. Good episode.

Jamie:

Yeah. So next week, next week. Next one is our number 16. It's going to be our fourth of July edition. Fireworks.

Jamie:

Looking forward to that. I'm going be doing that remotely from wherever I am. So that's going be fun.

Scott:

Great.

Jamie:

So looking forward to that. Thank you, everybody, for listening and downloading. We really appreciate it.

Scott:

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Scott:

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Jamie:

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Scott:

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Jamie:

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Scott:

All right, dude.

Jamie:

All right. Talk to soon.

Scott:

Talk to soon.

Jamie:

Thanks so much, everybody. See you.