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A podcast that holds horror to standards horror never agreed to. Hosts Jeremy Whitley, Ben Kahn, Emily Martin and guests watch, read, listen to, and check out movies, tv shows, comics, books, art and anything else from the horror genre and discuss it through a progressive lens. We'll talk feminism in horror, LGBTQ+ issues and representation in horror, racial and social justice in horror, disability and mental health/illness in horror, and the work of female and POC directors, writers, and creators in horror.
We're the podcast horror never agreed to take part in.
Ben: Sounds good, yes.
I'm ready.
By which I mean, I have Wikipedia,
the Wikipedia summary, and
a willingness to wing it.
Bronwyn: I have faith in you, buddy.
Ben: Thank you.
Jeremy: Yeah, I did not do any
of the prep for this one, sorry.
Ben: I
Jeremy: didn't even have guest
Bronwyn: boo.
TJ: No
Jeremy: Uh, alright,
let's talk about Scream.
.
Good evening and welcome to
Progressively Horrified, the podcast
where we old whore to progressive
standards it never agreed to.
Tonight, we're talking about the, oh
no, it's the sequel to the re school,
the sequel to the requel, baby,
it's a franchise now, it's Scream 6.
I am your host, Jeremy Whitley,
and with me tonight I have a panel
of cinephiles and cino bites.
First, they're here to challenge
the sexy werewolf, sexy vampire,
binary, my co host, Ben Kahn.
Ben, how are you tonight?
Ben: Hey, how you doing?
This?
New Yorker gives scream six, do
everything bagels with extra smear.
Bronwyn: Doesn't get better than that.
Jeremy: New York
Ben: I, I'm not gonna do that
voice the whole podcast, I promise.
I, I, I
Jeremy: to stop yourself?
Ben: I can't promise I won't bust it out
in inappropriate amount of times, though.
Jeremy: And our cinnamon roll of
Cenobites, Emily Martin, is off
tonight, headed out to a con, but
with us taking her place, we have two
progressively horrified all stars,
Ronwen Kelly Say and TJ Finnessey.
Guys, it's so great to have you here.
TJ: Yay!
Bronwyn: happy to be back.
TJ: Yeah, thank you for having me.
Ben: Thank you so much for being
here, Bronwyn, and it would not
be a Progressively Horrified
Scream episode without you, TJ,
Bronwyn: That's true.
TJ: I know, and this is
our last one for now.
Bronwyn: For now.
Jeremy: Yeah, I mean, unless, unless
we gotta, we get, we just, like, really
need to see you and we'll just start
talking about the TV show, you know?
Ben: Turns out, we
Bronwyn: ha.
Ho
Ben: Turns out that the Scream franchise
is now facing the most fearful,
like, the most terrifying slasher
of all fuckin Hollywood executives.
Bronwyn: Ho ho ho.
Too
TJ: the seventh.
Bronwyn: soon.
TJ: Oh yeah.
Ben: 7,
Jeremy: we know there's a huge
history of Seven being a great
chapter in horror franchises.
Ben: I mean, if
Jeremy: loves the Jason where he
fights Carrie for some reason.
Ben: tell you this much.
Scream in New York does way
better than Jason Takes Manhattan.
Like, I've talked on this podcast
about how I want more urban
horror and location as horror.
This, it, this is what I'm talking about.
Jeremy: I, I do love that, that opening,
like, the opening bit at one point,
he is watching Jason Takes Manhattan.
Bronwyn: Yes.
Jeremy: just,
Ben: that's great.
Jeremy: the background.
Bronwyn: And can we talk about
that bus scene with all of the
different references, all the
characters and all the costumes.
Sorry, the subway, not the bus.
Jeremy: Yeah, that must have been a
nightmare to clear is all I can think.
Yeah, let's talk a little bit about we
do have our directors Matt Bettinelli
open and Tyler Gillette coming back.
This is written by James
Vanderbilt and Guy Busiek.
also credit is, you know,
written by Kevin Williamson.
He is still on here as an executive
producer, which I'm always happy to see.
Because, you know, he, he did create at
least one character that's in this movie.
Um,
Ben: And
TJ: he created Kirby, too!
Kirby, too.
Don't forget her.
Jeremy: yeah, because we, we do get the
return of Gale Weathers, who is here
to tell us that Sydney's not coming.
Ben: okay.
I need to tell you about
watching this movie.
in theaters, because TJ got me, like,
a early pass to go see it a few days
before it officially came out, and
Bronwyn: That's some hot girl shit
TJ: You're welcome.
I
Ben: hot, it was very hot
TJ: I was like, I'm not in New
York, but I know Ben is, so...
It worked out.
Ben: TJ you're amazing and I love
you, and I don't know what group
this was through, but this was like,
this Scream 6 showing was THE hot,
trendy, like, Manhattan, like, gay
lifestyle event, like, of the evening.
All of the hottest, trendiest Manhattan
gays were at this opening of Scream 6.
And let me tell you, in my entire
life, the two biggest applause moments
I have ever seen in a theater, in
no particular order, Captain America
wielding Mjolnir in Endgame, and the first
appearance of Gale Weathers in Scream 6.
Bronwyn: Yes!
Jeremy: I believe it.
Ben: That theater shhshk when
Courtney Cox appeared on screen.
TJ: Hehehehe.
Hehehehe.
Jeremy: get a lot of returns in
this movie, more than usual for
a screen film, because we do have
Courtney Cox back as Gale Weathers.
We do have the, uh, they'll call
them this later, the core four.
Uh,
Ben: on
Bronwyn: For
Jeremy: Barrera, Melissa Barrera as Sam
Carpenter, Jenna Ortega as Tara Carpenter
Jasmine Savoy Brown as Mindy Meeks Martin,
and Mason Gooding as Chad Meeks Martin.
We do also get a couple of other returns.
We get Not alive, but the return
of Billy Loomis talking to his
daughter from beyond the grave.
Ben: Incredible!
Also, can we appreciate that in
this particular universe, and in
only this universe, but in this
universe, Ghost Billy is a great dad.
Bronwyn: Right?!
Ben: Ghost Billy has never steered
Sam wrong, all of his advice has been
Bronwyn: like, you got this,
Jeremy: all of, it just happened, it just
so happens that all of her advice that she
needed happens to involve stabbing, and
he is on that, like, he's very heated to
Ben: Oh yeah,
Bronwyn: honey.
Ben: he, this is a ghost dad that is
always encouraging her to kill, but
she lives in a world where killing
is almost always the best strategy.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Now, uh, we do have two more returns,
of course, Raja Jackson still
doing The Voice, and then, uh, we
have Hayden Pantieri coming back
as Kirby Reid from, from Scream 4.
TJ: Yay!
Ben: It was great seeing Kirby back.
We didn't get on canon, like, on
screen Kirby queerness, but I do
feel her entire scene with Mindy was
just the two of them looking at each
other going, I know what you are.
Jeremy: if we were just not so awkwardly
distant as far as age goes, it would be,
Bronwyn: Oh, so horrifically.
Ben: Also, if Mindy's, spoilers,
Mindy's girlfriend hadn't horrifically
died earlier in the movie,
TJ: Yeah.
No, I took it as like, you're
the new me, how gay are you?
What's your
Ben: right?
Are you gay enough to be me?
And Mindy was like,
TJ: was like, I approve.
Bronwyn: got
Ben: like, did you not see my Lavender
Menace t shirt earlier in the film?
Jeremy: yeah, so we do, we do also
have a couple of fresh faces here.
I wouldn't say Dermot Mulroney's face
is particularly fresh in this film,
Bronwyn: Oh
Ben: But always
Bronwyn: Mulroney.
Jeremy: but
Ben: I'm always happy to see Dermot
Mulroney in something, because if
nothing else, I then get to say
the syllables, Dermot Mulroney, and
that's really fun to say out loud.
Bronwyn: it
Jeremy: like he's already walked in
out of like an episode of The Wire or,
you know, a several day long cop movie
by the point he appears in this movie.
He looks like he's been through it.
Ben: Dermot
Bronwyn: understood the assignment.
Ben: again, spoilers, Dermot
Mulroney might be the most obvious
killer in this whole fucking
Bronwyn: No, you know who was the
most obvious killer in the series?
I have it in my notes.
I literally wrote it down.
Quinn.
Suspect number one.
Jeremy: that is Quinn Bailey
being played by Liana Liberato.
We also have Jack Champion playing Ethan
Landry who is, uh, roommate for Chad.
Uh, we,
Bronwyn: one I didn't call.
I, no, I shouldn't say that.
I said, I'll be disappointed if
Ben: so, I will say, I got a third
right in that I got Detective Dad.
I really thought they were setting
up a big twist where it was gonna be.
Jenna Ortega was Ghostface.
I
Bronwyn: hoping for it.
I didn't think so, but I was hoping.
Ben: with the wholesomeness of Core
four and the Tara Chad Romance, I
really thought it was all fucking
set up for like, she's the killer.
She's got a fucked up killer.
Bronwyn: that's the
Ben: Father, daughter,
Bronwyn: choice.
For seven, especially if you want to
pivot because then Tara does the killing
in seven and then Sammy supports her.
Jeremy: I
Ben: that I'm down with,
TJ: I feel like 6 would've been the,
you know, I wish, Chad, Mindy, or Tara
would've been the killer in this one.
Cause now I feel like
I know them too well.
So if they do something like that in 7,
I'd be like, Eh, I don't know if I believe
Bronwyn: I believe it out of
Ben: the core
Bronwyn: out of the
TJ: Oh yeah.
Ben: four bond, like, is too strong,
they can't be against each other, I
TJ: how I
Ben: some, I could see someone
becoming like a vigilante, Dexter
Ghostface, to killing other Ghostfaces.
TJ: Yes.
Bronwyn: Yeah, I say
core four is the killers.
Ben: Steven!
Doing all the dance, hi Steven!
Bronwyn: You got a high Steve and a steep
Jeremy: yeah, we do, uh, we also
have Devin Nakoda as Anika Kyoko,
who is Mindy's ill fated girlfriend.
I will say, I will say as of these
movies black characters started
having a bit better surviving streak.
In fact, in Scream generally,
black characters do pretty well.
Asian characters, not so
Bronwyn: Not so much.
Jeremy: Yeah, and then, uh, we do have,
I feel like, a special guest appearance.
By Samara Weaving, guest starring Samara
Weaving's real accent in a movie, which
is not something we get to see very often.
Ben: Also, proving we've once seen why she
is an absolute modern day scream queen.
Bronwyn: Yes, thousand percent.
Ben: crushes that one roll.
And we've also got what's fuckin
Flash Thompson, Tony Revolori.
Jeremy: Oh.
And speaking
Bronwyn: a really good
Jeremy: Various Marvel characters,
we also have Josh Segarra as
a cute boy or Danny Brackett.
That is also uh, known
as Pug from She Hulk.
Bronwyn: Right?!
Oh, I forgot!
Oh, I knew he was familiar!
Ben: that's a weird way of
saying Lance from The Other
TJ: I was gonna say
Ben: I couldn't not see him
as Lance from The Other Two.
He's still Lance in this movie.
But if they ever ghostface,
Bronwyn: that
Ben: if they ever ghostface him,
you know he could pull a villain
role because he was fucking
Prometheus in Arrow and he's amazing.
Jeremy: Somebody was amazing in Arrow.
Bronwyn: I, you know, okay,
Ben: for season 5 of Arrow, by the way.
Sorry, that was a legit twi that was
a legitimately good twist if you're
ever going in fresh on Arrow season 5.
Bronwyn: ah, not anymore,
Jeremy: scenario in which I would
go in and intentionally watch
Arrow at this point in my life.
Bronwyn: especially season five, but, um,
Ben: of the good ones!
2 5 are worth watching.
Bronwyn: yeah, but then you
have to get to season five.
No, thank you.
But no,
Jeremy: make it through season
one, so that's not gonna happen.
Bronwyn: I thought that the cute
boy, the whole cute boy arc of this
was so refreshing to see in a horror
movie in general, but in Scream in
particular, because wow, non toxic
male energy in a horror movie.
Ben: I'm telling you, if you haven't
seen the other two, like, that he is,
like, that is his whole fucking brand.
He is the most himbo of
himbos in the other two.
TJ: he's good.
I had no
Bronwyn: him.
Jeremy: He has a manly energy, he's
got his little growl, and you know,
he's a big buff guy, but he is also
both in here and in She Hulk, and
I haven't seen the other two, but
Ben: he's so strong.
Jeremy: toxic.
Ben: He's so strong, but the muscles
are there to hold you better.
Bronwyn: hmm.
Exactly.
TJ: I wanted him to die when I
watched this, but I had never
seen him in anything else.
And now that I've seen him
in other things, I'm like,
oh no, I'm glad he lived.
So now he can die in
Ben: I will say, my now love for Danny
Lance is based on just my love of this
actor and other things, so, I will say,
Danny, while being a very nice bit of very
positive, not toxic masculinity, uh, is,
it's a bit of a nothing of a character,
especially compared to, like, Cor4, Kirby,
Bronwyn: yeah, but it was nice to see
a horror movie put the effort into
displaying some non toxic masculinity.
Ben: Yes.
TJ: I thought he was a goner
when we got that shirtless scene.
I was like,
Bronwyn: Oh, yeah.
TJ: he's done for.
Bronwyn: Yeah,
Ben: oh yeah, no, they saved
that for Gale's boy toy.
TJ: Oh,
Bronwyn: I know!
I did not see
Ben: don't I don't know if
Bronwyn: see that coming.
I didn't see his presence
coming, if I'm being honest.
I'm like, Gale has a boy toy
and she's mooning over Dewey
still, and like, I just...
Yeah,
Ben: Well, I think it's very
telling that this man's face is
never shown in focus on camera.
Bronwyn: he ever even get a name?
Like, I don't think he does.
Ben: very visible, it's very
visual language showing this
man's importance in Gale's life.
Jeremy: I think his name is Brooks
if I'm looking at this correctly in
the credits, but uh, I don't know if
that's a first name or a last name.
Ben: I'm sure his younger
sister is gonna be like, Mindy's
love interest in Scream 9.
Bronwyn: Ha ha ha ha
Ben: Anyway, recap time.
It
Jeremy: for it.
Ben: one year after the events
of Scream 5, both in universe
and in real life, cause they
made this movie real fuckin fast.
And they are now at Blackmore
University, a fictional...
University that is either in the Bronx or
in the ass end of Brooklyn because those
are the only places with subway stations
that only have the 2 and 5 trains.
It's an insane location.
That is easily like a 45 minute,
like, distance to Manhattan.
Crazy.
What
TJ: Did you guys catch the Omega
Beta Zeta easter egg in the
college scene at the beginning?
Ben: an Easter egg too?
TJ: So in Scream 2, Sarah Michelle
Gellar keeps answering the phone and
she says, Omega Beta Zeta, that's
the, the group she's a part of in her
Ben: I did not and I benign That's
TJ: guy hitting on Tara is like, are
you going to join Omega Beta Zeta?
And she's like, yeah,
I'm thinking about it.
Ben: I'm so glad that
man's balls got testicled.
I mean, tasered.
Bronwyn: that whole scene was glorious.
She's like, Hey, I'm Sammy.
I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna
taste your balls real quick.
Okay.
Ben: I will say, Sam's impass Terra's
impassioned plea for her own agency
gives me so much mixed feelings too, I'm
like, Damn, everyone's got a point here.
Bronwyn: Yeah.
like later, she's just like, thank you
for not letting me go up the stairs.
I'm like, yes.
Yes.
Cause you have the right to make
your own choices and you've had
the right to make really terrible
choices, but there is a point.
at which you lose the capacity to
really make great choices, and that's
when you want your friends around to
be like, no, Han, I'm all about your
own agency, but not when you're wasted.
Ben: Speaking of bad choices,
film professor Laura Crane
has been online dating,
Bronwyn: Oh.
Yeah.
Ha,
Ben: she is lured into a classic New
York alley, of which I'm pretty sure
there's like one of, and that exists
on like Canal Street, and I think they
only keep it around for like, cause it's
fused into like, filming constantly,
Bronwyn: ha, ha, ha,
Ben: but still, it's a great alley
kill scene, what I'd want from New
York she, where, yeah, I think.
Wow, Laura Crane is murdered by her
profess by her student, Jason Carvey,
who is wearing a Ghostface costume,
determined to become the new Ghostface
and finish the movie Richie started.
However before him and his roommate Greg
can even hatch their real plan to kill
Sam and Tara Carpenter and finish the
movie, they are hacked to pieces by a
completely different, seemingly unrelated
Ghostface who gives an absolute MIC DROP
OF A FUCKING LINE WITH WHO GIVES A FUCK
ABOUT MOVIES BEFORE JUST FUCKING SLASHING
A, LIKE, FUCKING FLASH TOMS INTO PART.
Bronwyn: Do you feel like a meat?
Pssh, pssh, Ha, ha, ha.
Jeremy: this was the first time I'd
seen this one, and, like, in those
first, like, 10 minutes of the movie,
I was like, oh, it's fucking on.
Like, it is on.
Bronwyn: There was some serious overkill.
Jeremy: know, she, she comes in and
she's like, you're like, oh, this,
this is a character who's going to die.
Like, she is much too famous to continue
in this movie as, you know, in the
Bronwyn: Famous
Ben: Samara Weaving
Bronwyn: of a scream.
Ha, ha,
Ben: Samara Weaving showing up in
the opening scene to a Scream movie?
Oh, she fucked.
Bronwyn: We all know where this is
Jeremy: and then the
Ben: this is a classic Drew Barrymore
Bronwyn: Exactly.
Jeremy: fact that you get the ghost face
and he immediately pulls off his mask.
I was like, what,
Bronwyn: Yeah,
Jeremy: We just know
who goes faces already.
And then they're like, I don't know.
Fuck that.
He's dead.
Also, he's, uh, he's got
a roommate in a freezer.
Bronwyn: and he's so douchey.
Oh my god.
Ben: my god, there is a line I
think Mindy had about him when
they're describing What's his face?
Yeah, Jason Carvey.
Mindy describes it as, The one obsessed
with Argento, Which is a film deep cut
that made me laugh so fucking hard.
Bronwyn: she didn't say the one,
the chud she referred to him as.
Ben: Oh, yeah, I I tried to obsess.
Sorry, Chantel.
Bronwyn: It was glorious all the way
Ben: never would have fucking
gotten before you dragged me into
this amazing podcast, Jeremy.
TJ: Yeah, I love that opening.
I love that it really breaks the mold.
And at my first time viewing, of
course, you're like, where's this going?
Like, I always wanted them to do where
you find out who one of the killers is.
And then like throughout the
movie, you know, they're in on
it, but the characters don't.
But so I was like, where's this going?
Are they going to do that?
And then, yeah, I just
loved what they did.
It was really, really clever.
Ben: It really Encapsulates this movie as
a whole in that absolutely hits all of the
found, like, the foundational beats I want
from an entry in the franchise, while also
finding ways to push it in new directions
and new heights and add more twists, and
that really is the movie in some, like,
this, my god, this really is the film
where, like, the torch I felt got passed
to that next generation in the core four.
Bronwyn: I agree because especially
like, especially after five, like,
it's not that I didn't like five.
I did.
I, there were a lot of elements
of five that I enjoyed.
I loved six a lot more
because I feel like.
Five was unbalanced in the way that six
really walked that line perfectly, where
it was self referential enough to be.
Scream, but it pushed the boundaries
enough to be new and interesting.
And we were familiar with the
characters, but not like so
familiar with the characters.
So you had, still had to build that kind
of rapport and that caring about them.
And you did.
And then you were worried
about them dying and oh no!
And like, so it
Ben: It's very telling
Bronwyn: a lot,
Ben: yeah, that Scream 6 really chose
to focus so hard on those, uh, care,
on those pre existing survivors, so
TJ: I agree, six is way better.
I think it's the better movie, but
it couldn't exist without five,
Ben: totally,
TJ: with that groundwork.
Jeremy: Yeah.
And I, yeah, I think, I think a lot
of that has to do with pulling some
of the like dramatic impetus of the
movie off of Melissa Barrera and sort
of spreading it across the main four.
I don't.
wanna just talk shit about Melissa
Barrero for like an hour, but five
has so many like, dramatic music
to as she finds out that she's the
daughter of, this killer and like,
Ben: We good?
Okay.
I'm like, maybe Jeremy has an update.
I'm gonna go check the Twitter
DMs and all I see is a message
from Jeremy saying, fuckity fuck.
Jeremy: That is accurate.
TJ: That's right.
It's a good thing I stopped
Ben: everyone.
Welcome back to the podcast.
Update.
I have wine now.
Let's talk about Scream 6.
Bronwyn: All right.
Oh my god, I just realized
that my glass matches my dress.
That was completely unintentional.
Ben: Apologies.
You are so fucking
stylish and fashionable.
I'm just wearing a fucking shitty
Yankees t shirt because I'm lazy.
You look amazing.
TJ: I
Bronwyn: have to doll up because I
know I'm going to be hanging with you
TJ: guys.
Jeremy: I'm just wearing my wicked
tour shirt from going to see Wicked
Ben: Missouri last week.
You caught me on a day where I
did not have time to dress up.
I'm dealing with a dying
grandma, so I did not dress
Bronwyn: up.
Yeah, look, you are still always Barbie.
Ben: Awww!
Gorgeous.
All right, okay, so are we recording?
I believe we
Jeremy: are.
Theoretically.
I've reversed my screens on me,
so I'm trying to, just trying to
Ben: survive here.
The little lady in my
TJ: ear said It definitely
saved the first.
Ben: Yeah,
Jeremy: I'm just gonna have to load
it up on the other computer and send
half of this to myself somewhere else.
Put this shit all together.
Oh my god.
Oh, poor Alicia.
Which she volunteered
Ben: for.
TJ: She crazy.
Right?
Jeremy: Alright.
Where did we leave off?
Barrera.
Ben: Um, yeah.
TJ: she's...
Ben: It is hard to keep up
with Jasmine Savoy Brown, Mason
Gooding, and Jenna Ortega.
Like, the other three sides
of the core four are really
fucking strong young actors.
Bronwyn: I mean, like, to be
fair, they also made, like, Hayden
Panettiere look less skilled
than she looks in other things.
Ha ha ha ha
TJ: ha ha
Ben: ha ha!
Yeah.
Ha ha
TJ: ha ha!
So, like, I,
Bronwyn: some of it may have
been, directorial choices.
Ben: But look, I do think Kirby's
character could have improved by if
she once again had a gay ass haircut.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, her haircut not
gay enough in this movie.
I will say that.
No, but she did
Bronwyn: rock a killer
Ben: pantsuit.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, absolutely.
I will
TJ: defend.
I'm gonna be the most Melissa Barrera
defender cuz I feel like she would
got a lot of shit for the fifth movie
And a lot of it wasn't her fault, and,
people wanted her to be Sydney, and she
wasn't, I feel like while the script was
good, it wasn't doing her any favors,
because they were trying to make her
character so many things, and then,
like you said, directorial choices,
like, she just was so bland in 5 up
until the ending, and I feel like that
was a choice, because she was fine at
the end, and then, I think she really
did a great job in this movie though,
and I, I just thought she was a badass.
Ben: This movie does establish that
one of my favorite new staples of the
franchise is the Sam Stabathon finale.
It was great in five.
It's great in six.
I now love it when Sam just fucking
goes full go like Billy Loomis
daughter on the villain and does
this like 30 stabs in a minute.
It's amazing.
I love it.
I like
Bronwyn: her as Sam.
I do.
I think it's hard to do anything when
you're cast against Jenna Ortega who
has the weirdest ability to roll nat 20s
every single time she rolls for charisma.
Like, What the hell?
Every time she comes on screen, I
TJ: get
Ben: gayer.
That's like, I find myself, I definitely
find myself in the middle here, in
that I like, uh, Melissa Barrera.
I definitely like her as Sam,
especially in the sixth movie a
lot, like, a lot more than in five.
I definitely think she's gotten more
comfortable with the role and the writing
was sharper and more dynamic for the role.
But I also can't say that like, yup,
she's just as good as these other three.
No, she's not.
TJ: Right, that's fair.
Bronwyn: But I think she's
better than she gets credit for.
But there's also, for me, a difference
between, like, Sammy and feral Sammy.
And Sammy is sort of like,
okay, and Pharaoh Sammy is, oh,
TJ: you're my
Ben: favorite.
Oh, which is just stabbing dudes.
Anyway.
She has that look in her
TJ: eye when she's just
like, oh, I'm gonna get
Bronwyn: my kill on, and I'm like,
TJ: yes, I'm here
Jeremy: for it.
I think, and this is something that
Alicia was pointing out as we were
watching it too, there's also a
directorial issue here with like, they
feel the need to drop dramatic music
cues in places that don't need them.
Oh no.
There's a lot of like, real like.
This is serious, important stuff, and
that was really prevalent in five and
makes a comeback in a few places in six.
We get Kirby's sort of like entrance
music and this, which is like unneeded.
Like we were already making noise.
You didn't wildly
Ben: disagree.
TJ: So,
Bronwyn: yeah, I think I like.
I understand where you're coming from
with the music choices and they definitely
are like it is sort of a production or
directorial choice like a hundred percent
but I think that's part of that balancing
act between like the nostalgia and the
self referential humor and like the
all being part of the franchise is like
because the Scream franchise has always
been about kind of making fun of Horror
to some degree, you know, and horror
movies specifically and all of the tropes
associated that like some of that sort
of dramatic music choices and some of
these questionable directorial choices
are part of that self referential humor.
Like, to me, that was my
experience with the movie.
So while, like, while again, I
found it unbalanced in five, I
found it much better balanced in
TJ: six.
I honestly never thought
about the music in this movie,
besides the Demi Lovato song.
Bronwyn: I wouldn't be able to
pick a Demi Lovato song out of
TJ: the
Ben: sky, but...
I mostly just think about
the insane soundtrack of 3.
I'm still thinking about 3's
insane fucking soundtrack.
If it
Bronwyn: isn't Red Right
Hand, I don't know what
TJ: it is.
Ben: Well,
Jeremy: dirt moves.
It's in
TJ: here twice.
During our recording last time, I think
Jeremy, it might have been you, maybe
Emily too, talking about the lack of
bops of great songs in the fifth one.
And I was like, no, in the next
one, there's a couple of good ones.
So I was talking about the Demi Lovato
song at the end with the credits
and the, oh, that's a bop for sure.
And the, like at the, near the beginning
when it cuts to the, right before
the therapy scene, I think, and it's
like in my head, I think is the song.
Okay.
Yeah.
Talk about the
Bronwyn: therapy scene.
Okay.
Oh.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
So
TJ: this recap is not happening.
Bronwyn: I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry, but it's not.
I mean, you keep
Jeremy: in mind the two of
you were the ones you said you
wanted to be out of here at 11.
So just,
Ben: um,
TJ: we're moving through the plot,
Bronwyn: the therapy scene though.
Can, okay.
So
Ben: again, he's not good.
He's a, he's a bad shrink, bad therapist.
If that
Bronwyn: had been like, First therapy
appointment with that therapist.
I could have been like, okay, I get it.
I get it because bad chemistry with
the therapist, you have to make it
through at least a session or maybe
even two to kind of figure it out, but
he let straight up said that they've
been seeing each other for six months.
I'm like, there is no way that woman
sees that therapist, that white ass
old man therapist for six months.
Nope, because that guy is
mansplaining everything.
He is not, like, he literally just looked
at it and said, I'm gonna need some
details, and then recoiled immediately
as soon as she gave him details.
Like, that was the most, oh my
god, I'm not even a therapist.
I've just spent, 40 years in therapy.
So...
Ben: Oh, that man is getting
killed, and that man...
There's two things get
killed and clutch pearls.
You might as well call
him Martha Wayne Well,
Bronwyn: and this is it like honest
to God like the minute he put on
those silky sateen pajamas I was like,
well, honey, this is your death scene.
So rock
Ben: it out Oh, oh when he's
watching the horror movie and
that the TV literally yells
Bronwyn: you're next That was the
opportunity for the directors and everyone
to give us a big old solid wink and
This is our, this is our extra moment.
We're being extra here.
Jeremy: I do love that, like, they
have the several moments in this
where people are watching horror
movies because it's Scream, and, you
know, we get the beginning with the,
like, shitty kids, the shitty film
kids watching Jason Thanks Manhattan.
But then we, we get the like,
snooty psychologist watching
the original Body Snatchers.
Like, he's watching the original
Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
So like, yeah, that
worked for me, I think.
It is interesting to me, you mentioned
how like, weird a choice it is to
have him as like, a therapist that's
been doing this with her for a while.
I think something that this movie I
don't know if it, if it's an accident
of casting or if it's intentional that
there are so many like people of color
in the main cast, but specifically
that our two sisters are both Latina.
And then we also have, a cute
boy who is Latino and we have.
They're much more obvious about the
fact that the twins are black, that's
in the script, but like, the fact
that, both Melissa Barrera and, uh,
oh jeez the, the, both the sisters
are, yeah, Jenna Ortega, or, or
Ben: Latina, and, like, yeah,
TJ: that's exactly,
Ben: you know, the one, two of us,
the mea culpas that we have earned,
Jeremy: yeah, they just don't say it, and
it doesn't feel like there's any, like,
I don't know, ear for that in the writing
at all which is, it's a small thing,
ultimately, but it's a, a thing that
I don't know, it feels off, especially
in this scene, like you're saying.
Bronwyn: Yeah, like, there was just,
there was I didn't buy, that threw
me out a little bit, like, in a way
that I was like, is this intentional?
Like, are we supposed to, like, I know
this guy's gonna die, obviously, but I,
like, also, I get the impression that
I am supposed to hate him immediately.
Mm hmm.
Like, does it need to be quite
that dissonant, you know?
I don't know.
But that was, there was a choice.
That was a choice.
I do
Ben: love when Kirby was like,
wait, so she killed her own
alibi and stole her file.
Yeah.
Why would she do that?
That makes no sense.
Yeah.
Jeremy: Yeah.
You, you mentioned we have the
Debbie Lovato song Still Alive in
there, which is also produced by Mike
Shinoda, who has another song in this.
It's a real Linkin Park a thon in
here cause he's got In My Head,
which, uh, is in there as well.
Ben: It's the other good one.
Can we talk about this
straight out of the box?
As
Jeremy: far as other good ones, we
do also have Two Shorts, Blow the
Whistle, and we have Girl in Red on
this soundtrack, which I think really,
like, really establishes the clearness
Ben: of this, Eilish in there too.
Yeah, it'd be a missed
opportunity if it wasn't.
Can we talk about the fucking RoboCop
esque, like, social satire moment of
them being like, Welp, Ghostface killers
are back, so you know what that means,
sales are exploding on that mask!
Everyone Oh my god!
I'm dressing as Ghostface this year!
I was dying.
These guys are like,
it's like, that's wild.
Like, it just really hammers
home where it's like, Damn.
These were real murders.
They meant movies, ma.
They made movies out of it,
and one of those movies.
Turned into its own mass murder.
And they fuckin released that movie
Bronwyn: anyway!
And then there was a mass
murderer trying to make a movie.
Ben: In this world, Roman Bridgers
was probably nominated for,
like, an Oscar for Best Director.
Appropriately goes to Roman Bridgers.
Yeah.
TJ: I like in this scene, I know in
the therapy scene, they talk about, you
know, Sam's whole social media thing
and I think kind of what I was trying
to get at earlier talking about Melissa
Barrera was the like toxic fandom aspect
of people targeting her and like some
of the racism shit got really bad and
just the fact that they took her social
media hatred from real life and put
it in the movie I thought was really
clever and just really well done.
Bronwyn: Yeah, beautiful.
Yeah.
I love when they do that.
They did something similar
in Red, White, and Royal.
TJ: Yes.
I loved it.
It was
Bronwyn: glorious.
Glorious when they can do that well.
TJ: All right.
Ben: Recap us.
Alright, are you sure?
No.
I'm sure.
Are you ready for the
TJ: fucking recap?
No.
Yes.
Ben: But try.
Alright, anyway.
Sam and Tara are now living in New York.
That's where we're at in this recap.
They're living in New York.
That's as far as we fucking made it.
Where, uh, you know, they, Sam
is going to shitty therapy and
Tara's at a shitty frat party.
At Blackmore University, the
university she's at with Chad and
Mindy Meeks Martin, who continue
to improbably survive this series.
Other characters include their roommate
Quinn, Mindy's girlfriend, Anika Kayoko,
and Chad's roommate, Ethan Landry.
Sam is also dealing with rumors
that blamed her for the killings
in Woodsboro, that Richie was
behind, so, internet discourse.
It's a villain this time around.
We've also got Quinn's father, who is,
uh, Detective Dermot Mulrooney, who's
got questions for Sam because of the new
Ghostface who got killed by the Ghostface.
But on the way to the station, Sam
gets a call on from Richie's number.
Dun, dun, dun.
It's Ghostface, cause of course it
is, you're watching Scream Movies,
and we get the next in what is a
truly wonderful bit of New York horror
action, with a brutal bodega scene,
where Ghostface is just knifing and
shotgunning dudes, like, left and right.
Again, we talk about, I talk a
lot about wanting to see like, you
know, location used as character.
This movie nails the New York setting
so hard and doing stuff like the
alleyway scene, the bodega massacre,
the fucking subway scene later on.
Bodega Daddy with a
Bronwyn: shotgun was high key great.
Ben: There's some really great...
very specific New York set pieces
that I really appreciate this movie.
Like this is the New York like scream,
which is something I also disliked about,
or not disliked, but was a little bored
in five by was that was our then third
movie out of five, 60 percent of the
series that took place in Woodsboro.
Yeah, and I was a little and I
was getting bored of Woodsboro.
So honestly, such a breath of
fresh air the New York setting.
Yeah, and I like the fact that
they kept looking at me like
how dare you insult Woodsboro?
The most perfect little murder
town this side of Silent Hills.
Bronwyn: But I love that they kept
it kind of low key New York, like
it wasn't all Statue of Liberty
and the Empire State Building.
This was like bodegas and subways, like
Ben: you say, you know?
That, again, and that's what I want.
Like, I want the horror that I
can imagine, you know, in my day
to day life in New York City.
I mean, and that
Jeremy: is also because it's
filmed in Montreal, but you know.
Bronwyn: Look, don't yuck my yum, Jeremy.
I mean, they
Jeremy: can't, they can't fake the
Statue of Liberty in Montreal, but
they can show a scary alleyway.
Ben: Exactly.
They can build a bodega on a soundstage.
Bronwyn: Oh, one other thing I do
want to say about Sam's character,
one of the things I did love about
her is her delivery of like, some
of the like, scathing lines that she
had, especially at the brat party.
I was howling.
Like, I, oh, but it wasn't just her,
it was just core four in general
with the scathing lines, but what.
One of them was the tasing of the balls,
which was hilarious and I love that,
but the other that I really enjoyed
was I am spectacularly uninterested
in knowing anything about you.
Like that frat guy was the worst.
And I mean, that's amazing because
like, we've all met one of those.
And we don't even have frats
in Canada particularly.
But what I
Jeremy: appreciate with Chad is that
he is not a dude that left directly
into the punching, but the moment
that he throws a punch is the exact
same moment I would've thrown a punch.
like when you're, when he's trying
to talk to Tara about coming
downstairs and the guy like grabs
her under the arm and starts
hauling her backwards up the stairs.
I was like, Nope,
Ben: it's on now.
Yeah, I'll, that is when punching starts.
That is the moment that, is it Chad?
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Like.
Chad really proves in that party
that he is the true, like, himbo
that you didn't know Scream needed.
Bronwyn: I love him, top to bottom
in that, although I gotta be honest
with you, I desperately thought he
and Ethan were a thing at that party.
TJ: That would have been great.
Like, I really did,
Bronwyn: like, they're, I, like, at one
point, and then they start, like, they're,
they're doing their little, like, dance
together or whatever, and I was like,
Ben: ooh, that was not the
big, small relationship dynamic
this movie is going for.
No,
TJ: Ethan just has big
Ben: twink energy.
Oh, because he does!
He does!
Looks like a twink that'll steal
your wallet on the way out.
Oh my god.
TJ: So we were talking about the bodega
scene, and for me, that scene makes me
think about how like, all the trailers
really use that scene as the, one of the
set pieces of the film to get you into it.
And it's such a big scene that like when
it came up in the movie for the first
time, I was like, Oh, we're already here.
And then it just, you know, the movie
just keeps going and going and going.
And so for me, so quickly, like,
so my point here is like, I love
so many things in this film, but
one of my main things that I'm
really into with it are the pacing.
And I just think once the scene
hits, like it doesn't lit up, the
movie just flies by so quickly.
Ben: Yeah.
Oh, you've got the.
You know, the great, like, Central Park,
you know, phone call, the high rise.
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
Though I will say, they get that fuckin
phone call in Central Park, it is midday.
They're still like, oh no, Ghostface is
at 96th Street, quickly, to Gales, we
need to drive 6 blocks, and then New York
traffic is such a motherfucker that by the
time we get to Gales, it is night time.
Look, I've driven
Bronwyn: in New York, that tracks.
Ben: That was 3 hours to
get 6 blocks, amazing.
You're better off running
is all I'm saying.
Anyway, before Bodega, we also
heard that Terrence had totally
got a thing for each other.
We're doing a romance.
And also, there is a hunky
neighbor from across the street
who is Lance from the other two.
And Sam's like, Oh, I can't talk to him.
He's just a hunky guy from a different
building who I see through my window.
But then it turns out that they've
all, they're already dating.
They're secretly banging him
TJ: so hard.
I thought that was in her head
at first when she grabs him.
I was like, oh, this is like
a cut scene, like dream.
And I was
Ben: like, no, it's real.
You're Wyatt's to see why she's
keeping the banging a secret.
Everyone reacts.
very positively when
they find out about it.
Oh, you
Bronwyn: know, it's the
Ben: trauma.
Yeah,
TJ: it is adorable.
For they all find out.
And they're all like,
Ben: nailed it.
love that.
But yes, oh man.
But yeah, so after that, we've got
Tara, who we, you know, so after the,
after the, what I'm calling the Bodega
Massacre Ghostface leaves behind a
mask, and ooooh, it's the Ghostface
worn from the Scream 4 killings.
My favorite.
There we go.
The, the, what's her face?
Alice Roberts.
Gil Roberts.
Gil Roberts.
Meanwhile, good news, Kirby's here.
She survived Scream 4, and she's an
FBI person, and now Gale's here, and
she's like, What the fuck, Kirby?
You're a baby.
Kirby's like, I'm 30 and
Gale's like, Oh no, time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Which then I looked at and I'm
like, Oh no, I'm in my 30s.
Ah, time.
Jeremy: I do appreciate we get the
like classic time to punch Gale moment.
And, uh, the first one misses, but then
here it comes through with the follow up.
Ben: So yeah, foundational
beats while offering something
new or twisting it enough.
Like, oh, that was good.
Oh man.
And we also get Gail just
explaining that, lol, Cindy's fine.
Yeah!
TJ: She deserves a happy
Ben: ending.
Cindy's called to tell
you she's not coming.
Yeah, like, Cindy is not here.
Cindy has taken fucking, like, Patrick
Dempsey and the off screen kids and just
like gone to a fucking cabin somewhere.
Yeah.
I love that Patrick Dempsey has survived
all the way past Scream 6 just by
never appearing in the franchise again.
TJ: Maybe Scream 7 will be what
Sydney was doing during 6 and
she was getting attacked as well.
I
Ben: love to imagine just like a
day in the life of Sydney and it's
her just hanging out like four
different ghost faces in a day.
Yep.
Yoga instructor was a ghost face.
Uh, the girl at the smoothie
stand, she was another ghost face.
Bronwyn: No, I want to see the first
time one of their kids come back with
a Halloween mask and they're just like,
this is what I want to be for Halloween.
And she's like, no.
Ben: Subcolon Sidney Pistol Whips a child.
What did you
TJ: guys think of the
punching scene with Gale?
Ben: Loved it.
Loved it.
It was
Bronwyn: deeply
Ben: satisfying.
Later when Tara's like, I'm sorry,
and Gale's like, no you're not.
No,
TJ: I'm not.
Yeah, the Sam Gale
relationship is really good.
Ben: There's an almost maternal aspect
to their dynamic, which I really like.
Yeah, I really enjoy that.
Honestly, As much of a hubble as it was,
and as much as Neve Campbell absolutely
deserves the money she has earned,
I kinda think it's to this movie's
benefit that Sydney isn't in the movie.
Agreed.
I think it's what really lets
the core four come into their
own and truly carry the torch.
TJ: Like, as much as I would've
loved to see Sydney in the shrine,
it didn't need her, it worked without
Ben: her.
Okay, I'm just imagining they get to the
shrine in Sydney, she's like behind one
of the glass cases, being like, Hi guys!
I'm stuck!
Jeremy: You know if it was Sydney,
she would have overreacted and
burned everything right there, like
the whole thing would be on fire.
She'd be like, nope, nope, nope, nope,
Ben: nope.
Sydney, of course I have
a gun to press, Scott.
Look,
Bronwyn: no judgment, man.
After everything, I'd burn
it to the ground, too.
So, you know, the difference between
Sydney and Sammy, and because it always
has to be, you know, like there's a
little bit of a, you know, passing the
torch, but you have to make it your own.
Sydney, shoot, burn.
Sammy, I It's, you
Ben: know, variety is the spice of life.
We, and we really do get,
and we learned something.
Particularly, I think, tragic about Gale
was that despite her best intentions
and promises at the end of the last
movie She was unable to resist the
temptation of just writing another
Todd Tree book about the murders.
And was unable to honor Dewey the way even
she would have liked, which I think says
a lot just about Gale's character and just
the tragic elements that are always there.
Yeah.
TJ: People were pissed when that,
it leaked ahead of time, maybe
by a couple weeks that she wrote
a book about the murders and the
fandom was like, this is horrible.
This writing sucks.
That doesn't make sense.
But then, you know,
Ben: I think it makes sense.
It's a heartbreaking
element of Gail's character.
TJ: Exactly.
She's flawed.
Jeremy: Yeah, well, I mean, also, like,
after five, she has nothing, like.
She has nothing left.
So like,
Ben: what is she going
to do with her career?
Yeah,
Bronwyn: that clearly keep her happy,
TJ: because woohoo!
Ben: But again, emotionally,
yes, she has nothing.
But I do want to say, this woman
is fuckin living in a penthouse
apartment in fuckin upper, in
like, the fuckin Upper West Side.
Yeah.
And
TJ: getting railed by this beefcake.
Ben: And getting RAILED by a beefcake!
Yeah.
Who is In between trips
to the Botox store.
TJ: Yeah.
There's worse ways to mourn.
Ben: Yeah.
Like, like There are, yeah, like Tia said,
there are worse ways to have nothing.
Yeah, exactly.
if this is Gale Weathers
born again, Daredevil wishes.
Daredevil wishes he was not living
in Hell's Kitchen and getting railed.
Yeah,
TJ: yeah.
Ben: God, anyway we check back in
with terrible fucking psychiatrist
who, as we discussed before, just gets
murdered, like just stabbed through
the nose and left behind is the mask
of Roman Bridger from the Hollywood
Killings, who I love Kirby acknowledging
him as the only solo ghost face.
Just like,
TJ: respect, respect the
Bronwyn: ambition.
Jeremy: Also, the shittiest
ghost face, I have to say.
Yes.
Yeah.
Ben: I
Jeremy: mean, he did manage to
kill somebody with a fax machine.
But,
Ben: yeah.
You put some respect on that name.
And then you faxed that name.
Ha!
Like, I do appreciate them, like,
being like, Yeah, Scream 3 happened.
It counts.
It's canon.
You d Sorry fucking super serious
fan people, you don't get to
sweep the campy one under the rug.
Jay Jay and Silent Bob
exist in this universe.
Deal with it.
TJ: I always forget until you bring it up.
Ben: I will never not bring it up!
It's the craziest fucking thing
I've ever seen in any movie!
TJ: Even after Bride of Chucky?
Yes!
Okay.
Ben: If J If J The only thing
that I would have said, like, yes,
that's Grazer, is if Brian and
Chucky had had Jay and Silent Bob!
oh my god, and they should
have been the killers.
Oh my god, that's so false.
It's not too late.
Yeah.
Amazing.
Jeremy: Mean, really, if they want
to follow the, like, trend of being
a franchise, then the next one has to
be, like, the crossover one, right?
Where it's Ghostface versus
Michael Myers or something,
Ben: Ghostface versus 21 Jump Street.
Bronwyn: When I was at FlameCon,
I went to the Chuck Tingle
panel, and it was amazing.
I was, I can't, that was so glorious but
one of the games that was played as sort
of like the introduction to the, the
whole panel was slasher dating profiles.
Swipe left or right on the
slasher dating profiles.
So he introduced all of the different
slashers with their pros and their cons
and their kinks and what, you know,
what are the, what's the high points of
dating the slasher and the low points.
And everyone had to vote on who the
ultimate slasher date would be and.
Flame Kahn crowd really voted
and we ended up in a polyamorous
triad with Ghostface and Kinhead.
Jeremy: That is the most Flame
Kahn answer I have to say.
TJ: Yeah, that tracks.
That, you
Ben: know.
Absolutely.
Bronwyn: I was, happy with that.
So if you're going to do a
crossover, I feel like that
would be a good place to start.
Jeremy: Both, both characters
who are gender ambiguous in this
case, male and female ghost faces
and male and female pinheads.
Ben: Exactly.
But we've got, uh, yes.
Meanwhile, back at the apartment where
we have the dubbing of the core four.
Which does feel a little rude given that
there's other people there around, but.
It is a pretty fine line that like you had
to have survived at least one ghost face
before you can be family, which, how they,
how they actually had the line were family
and they didn't get sued by Vin Diesel, I
Jeremy: don't know.
Maybe that's the crossover.
Ben: Like when she said that, I'm not
the only one that just it felt like
her voice just suddenly got dubbed
over by Vin Diesel, like we're family.
Yep.
TJ: I was waiting for the
Jeremy: Corona.
I'm saying Scream Fast, Scream
Furious is not a terrible title.
Get in the car, Tara!
Ben: We gotta outru We
gotta outdrive Ghostface!
Oh my god, yes
Bronwyn: please!
The Ghostface car heist.
Yes!
Ben: Oh, at the apartment.
Ghostface is there.
Haven't gotten in, don't worry about how.
With only Danny across the street
being able to watch helplessly as
Ghostface kills quotation marks Quinn.
Quinn!
And, not quotation marks, kills
Quinn's fuck buddy, um, And
Jeremy: seemingly very viciously, there's
a lot of blood in that shower when they
TJ: run in.
She must have hated him.
Ben: She had some shit to work out.
That guy is very dead, and terrorizes
Sam, Tara, Oh no, Tara and Chad get
out get down the street, While Mindy,
Sam, and Annika are terrorizing her at
the apartment, With Annika Just fucking
brutally stabbed in the stomach and oh
god, do they linger on like how did she
TJ: survive that?
Okay,
Bronwyn: so yeah, all right.
Okay, so I'm gonna bring my science brain
into this a little bit Cuz we're gonna
talk some about the survival statistics
in This movie in general because
Ben: damn, okay But Bronwyn have you
considered that Chad put all of his
EVs into HP and physical defense?
Bronwyn: You know what?
I'll give you that one.
TJ: I'm just
Jeremy: convinced they just hit
all the scar tissue from last
movie when they stabbed Chad.
Right?
He took a lot of damage last movie
Bronwyn: too.
So like, but with Annika, they like
literally linger on it going into
her stomach and then coming up.
Like she's
Ben: being eviscerated.
It's the coming up part that makes it
just like, she's being disemboweled.
Yes, and this is it.
Literally disemboweled.
So, on the one side,
Bronwyn: gut ones really do
take a long time to kill you,
depending on what they are, right?
Like, you can hit something and bleed out
internally, you can get sepsis, it's all
these things, but they don't That's what
Ben: Reservoir Dogs is about.
Right?
It's
Bronwyn: not necessarily
immediately fatal.
Can be, if you hit the wrong,
artery or something like that.
There's absolutely arteries in there
that would do that, but for the most
part It's going to be a long few
hours, and they're not going to be good
Jeremy: ones.
But she follows several stories
off of a ladder and this is
Ben: it.
Bronwyn: That I actually struggle with
less her survival and more her ability
to crawl without losing her intestines.
Yeah.
Did she didn't even try and
like wrap something around.
That was
Jeremy: my only objection is like, she
seemed to have stuff coming out and like.
Nobody just was like, That's the
Ben: alternate take.
She gets up on the ladder and then
all of her guts fall out and so
she just shrugs and walks away.
That's
Bronwyn: what I was waiting for
because like, okay, I've been first
aid certified for like 20 plus years.
So, you know, everybody knows you got
to wrap something wet around the guts
so that they stay wet and inside.
Like, that's the thing you got to do.
TJ: Yeah, my thing with the movie,
you know, one of my main complaints
is like, alright, if this had happened
once in the movie, I still would have
been like, yeah, I don't believe that,
but whatever, it was one time, but it's
Mindy, Chad, uh, who else, Gale, like
all these people that should be dead.
Okay, not
Bronwyn: just them, every Ghostface.
Every Ghostface takes at least
one solid whack to the head.
Ben: Prepare a fucking tank, a
knife to the spine, it doesn't
even get medical attention at the
TJ: end.
You know, right?
Oh my god, okay,
Bronwyn: okay.
And can we talk about that beautiful
chef's kiss of a walk away scene?
With the three of them just
walking off into the distance.
They just...
Murdalized a cop among all of
that carnage, and they're not even
being taken in for questioning?
Ben: It's fine.
I mean, they do have a
Bronwyn: pocket FBI agent, but
she actually went to the hospital.
Because she's down like at least
Ben: 10 percent of her body mass.
They're going to get a
bacon, egg, and cheese.
TJ: I mean, that tracks.
My thing is, the people that survive
these really bad injuries, like, I don't
know, I feel like in the previous movies,
if you got stabbed two or three times
in the gut, you were presumed dead.
And now it's like, I understand
this is a new cast, maybe the new
directors, writers have new roles of...
You know what you can
survive in this franchise.
Everyone
Ben: was playing with invincibility mode.
Right, but it's too
TJ: many.
Someone should have died is
Ben: all I'm saying.
Mindy was, you knew Mindy was
going to be okay because she was
making wise cracks like last week.
TJ: And then once she made it, I was like,
all right, no way she would have lived.
But if she's alive now.
Chad's gotta be the one to get
Ben: that.
Chad's death, Chad not being dead is
like the most comical over the top,
like, like you said, Jeremy, it had
to have, like, they just happened to
have hit all of the old scar tissue
and didn't know of additional damage.
I believe that more than anything.
Bronwyn: When this is it, like,
okay, okay, you're gonna sell me
this insane story that Chad survives.
All right.
He hit, they hit, they managed, because
I mean, they know so much about.
These people that they literally
intentionally hit every
single one of his old wounds.
So he has been
Ben: stabbed.
Again, don't forget
about all of his HP EVs.
Bronwyn: Obviously he's min max, but,
Ben: but
Bronwyn: how is he conscious?
Like, okay, alive, sure.
But he's chatting, he's like, Carrefour!
Carrefour!
Right.
Aw,
Ben: honey.
Cause you can't stop that himbo energy.
Well, and this is it.
This is it.
Look, cause Broadway, I'll tell you why.
I'll tell you why.
Cause he's got that dog in him, and
that dog is the golden retriever.
Yeah.
Look,
Bronwyn: I bring the himbo
energy to the table, okay?
I speak himbo thoroughly,
Ben: but He's too pretty to die.
Bronwyn: He's way too pretty to die.
He's too pretty
Ben: to die.
I do
Jeremy: appreciate Mindy running up
at the end and being like, literally
running up at the end and being like,
I thought she was in the hospital.
And then her being like, Oh yeah,
I'm on so many drugs right now.
I can't feel anything below my shoulders.
Okay.
All right.
Ben: Yep.
TJ: Fine.
All right, I'll give you that.
That's good.
That is clever.
You should be able to do it.
If Chad or Mindy had to
go, which one would you
Jeremy: pick?
Chad.
100%.
Final answer.
TJ: Final answer, Chad.
Yeah.
Bronwyn: I hate that because I love
me a himbo and he's so sweet, but
Mindy brings more to the table.
Ben: Yeah, like, like, you're
not like, you can't ask me to
kill off Jasmine Savoy Brown.
Like, I just won't do it.
Jeremy: And the first actually
canonical queer character in Scream.
Exactly.
Despite all their previous attempts.
TJ: I go back and forth where
I'm like, Oh, going into six,
I was like, I don't know, Mindy
might be going like Kirby's back.
And she had the same movie
trivia thing going on.
We don't need two characters with
Ben: that.
Another great another great Mindy t
shirt, uh, strong femme character.
Bronwyn: Yeah, I loved that.
She was great.
She was great the whole way through.
I love her.
But yeah, I don't know.
I, I love that.
And of course, Laura is like,
Oh, yeah, whole character
TJ: now to
Ben: there.
I mean, this was when they became the
new, like, Sydney, Dewey, Gail, like,
this is, they None of them can die until
they become grizzled mentors in Scream 12.
TJ: If no one dies in the next movie,
I'm going to be very irritated.
Ben: I think that the four
of them should be ghostface.
TJ: One of them.
Bronwyn: Oh, core four or nothing.
Jeremy: I would have been okay with
Gale dying here too, because she
goes out on the line like, That
tells Sydney he didn't get me.
Line is like, that's
a great final line for
Ben: Gale.
Yes, it is.
It is, but does it fully work if
she is actually killed by Ghostface?
But I think
TJ: that's
Bronwyn: even kind of
funnier, to be honest.
Ben: I like the idea of Gale just
having too much spite to die.
Yeah,
TJ: there is that.
Yeah, I don't know.
I feel like it was, it would have
been the best send off for Gale.
So the fact that they didn't do it now,
I feel they missed the opportunity.
So now they are not
allowed to kill her ever.
Ben: Yeah, she
Jeremy: gets a great fight scene.
I mean, we're not, I guess,
you know, we should finish, we
should get to it in the recap.
TJ: Good luck to you.
Ben: You're as bad as them now.
First on Annika dying which is just an
absolutely brutal death as she cries
and begs and pleads as to how much she
doesn't want to die and how scared he
is and it's just like real vulnerability
and fear in a way we don't often see it
just like so plainly stated and it is
just so tragic seeing this young woman's
life snuffed out as she is knocked off
the Like, off the ladder, where she
screams up until her face just smashes
against a dumpster on the way down.
And that was
TJ: a choice.
Bronwyn: Like, this whole movie
is all about overkill, you know?
Every single kill has some
element that, it's like, you
know what, we could have just
Ben: not.
So, as we said, this movie is really
into pulling its punches in, except
for when it extremely doesn't.
Jeremy: Yeah, and that one was
like, oh, she, she, damn, she real
Ben: dead.
No, she real
Bronwyn: dead.
That was the only time you
actually get to see, like, a head.
A head impact that
really had actual impact.
Ben: So I think the scream 4 rule
needs to be adjusted to at least
one queer character survives.
If there's multiple queer characters, ugh.
All bets are off.
Were you released?
A lesson we learned with The Invitation.
Remember that, Jeremy?
How the one random queer character
survived even though he had like...
This is the supporting character who
gets killed off and all over him?
Yeah, I
Jeremy: mean, and you know, technically,
that rule, uh, is accurate to good ol M.
Night's cabin there as well.
Ben: No.
We do
Jeremy: have one queer
character that survives.
Ben: So after that, Gail, uh, is great
at her job, so she finds this crazy ass
Brooklyn, uh, like, this theater that
has been turned into a ghost face shrine.
Yeah.
Again, I feel like you could just straight
up open a ghost face museum in this
world and it would do, like, good money.
Bronwyn: I think it would do good money.
And also, who is paying
for that real estate?
Jeremy: Apparently he's
rich kids from Atlanta.
Ben: Yeah, all we're told is rich
kids from Atlanta, which, okay,
I'll suspend my disbelief movie.
TJ: A poster came out before the movie
released and it had something about
Stab the Musical being in New York.
And there was this rumor going around
that the shrine was gonna be like...
Part of the musical like, uh,
something people could come in and
look at or props from the show or
And so I was a little disappointed
that the musical wasn't in play
Ben: Cuz anyway, I probably that would
have made more sense than like Yeah.
A police salary slash rich kids
from Atlanta secretly bought
a condensed beater, like.
TJ: Just stab the musical, what a
mis I, talk about missed opportunity,
that's, I think that's the biggest one.
Oh my
Bronwyn: god, tell me though that we
are going to get a musical episode in
this franchise, because legitimately,
that's, like, that's gotta be next
TJ: on the docket, right?
That should have been the opening kill.
Bronwyn: And I still maintain, this is
a hill I will die on 100 percent that
every piece of media is made better
by a weirdly aggressive dance scene.
Ben: You're not wrong.
All right.
Now we get our Gale sequence as
they try to do a scream too and
trace the call in Central Park.
But Ghostface is like.
Lol, nope, I'm gonna kill Gale, and then,
I guess it's, this apartment building
is a walk up, Bill, because that is
the only explanation for why the phone
call happens in day, and then Gale
is in attack until the dead of night.
Presumably, Gale lives in a
penthouse on a fucking walk up.
Alright, so
TJ: now we're at the
Ben: Gale scene.
Now we're at the Gale scene.
We get the call.
Oh, how great is the call,
where he's just like...
Fuckin torturing her over Dewey's death.
I don't think we've ever spoken before.
Isn't that weird?
It was so good.
This is Gale at her absolute finest.
When she fuckin stars 69's his ass, then
just starts, like, immediately shooting.
TJ: That was actually glorious.
Yeah.
I just love the, like, Sydney was
the final girl hero, Dewey was
the fan favorite, who were you?
Or what, and she's like, oh,
the brains on the sex appeal.
Like, I just The,
Ben: the perfect gay ally.
Yeah, so
TJ: perfect.
Jeremy: And her putting him on
hold before, before she starred
69 Simmons was hilarious to me.
And he's like, wait, what?
Like, just
Ben: You can do that?
TJ: Fuck!
Yeah, that was very much Sydney's
I'm bored from the last movie.
Yeah.
Did you think
Ben: they were gonna kill her?
I was at the edge of my
seat, I'll tell you that.
Yeah,
Jeremy: great.
She legitimately like she has a good ghost
face fight scene because there's, there's
a few of those throughout the series and
she really like she gets her shots in.
I thought they were going to kill her.
I like you were saying, I think
if they were going to kill
her, this is the place to do
Ben: it.
I guess they may have just wanted
to avoid this sense of like, Ooh,
we're going to kill off one of
the legacy trio, every movie.
Yeah,
TJ: Yeah.
When she went on the balcony,
I got real nervous just because
of the Scream 2 scene with Sarah
Michelle Gellar and she gets thrown
Ben: off the balcony.
I loved the boyfriend, the boy
toy, just getting killed, like,
in the background out of focus.
Oh my God.
TJ: I was going back and forth if they
would kill her or not, but then once
she gets in the safe room, and she has
the photo of her and Dewey, which is a
photo of them in real life, and it was
in, it was Dewey's background on his
phone, so when he dies, he's looking
at that photo, and the When so I'm you
know in this scene now, I was like, oh
my god She's really gonna die cuz she's
gonna die looking at this photo just
like do we so they really had me going
Bronwyn: Yeah, I they honestly
they had me going for that one too.
Like she had this glorious fight She
was just all the snappy repartee.
It was very very
TJ: very like
Ben: I just was like, again, with
Gail, it's like, I don't want to
see Gail lose to a ghost phase.
Like, after everything she's been through.
Yeah, I mean, and then
Jeremy: she survives and
then bleeds out afterwards.
For me, that would have been fine.
Like, that she, you know,
she gets through the fight.
They, chase him off and
she dies afterwards.
I would have been like, yeah,
that, that works for me.
The wild thing to me is That, that
boyfriend gets dispatched so quick, and
that's gotta be Quinn, in the match.
Are
Ben: you right?
Like,
Jeremy: she just that little
redheaded girl just murders
the shit out of this big dude.
Yep.
Because, yeah, the other two were, the
other two were with the rest of the crew.
Oh
Ben: yeah, no, she, she
confirms that it's her.
TJ: Yeah.
Yes, somehow, it was Quinn.
I
Ben: feel like the writers It's the
same way that fuckin like, High school
girl Amber is able to just like, Lift
fuckin Dewey like, Dewey off the ground.
Right?
With knives.
This grown ass man.
Look,
Bronwyn: if biology has
gone out the window,
Ben: we are not even talking.
By fucking, by fucking Amber.
Yeah.
Is like 90 pounds wet.
TJ: The writers, to me, it feels like
they didn't even know if Gale would
live or not, cause like, Her fate's left
up in the air, and then we don't even
see her again by the end of the film.
We just get like this offhand, Oh
yeah, Gale made it, at the end, and
it's like, Was this a pick up line?
Like, did you, did you know?
Was
Ben: this like to test audiences?
Did they do it as a death scene
and then test audiences hated it?
That's what it
TJ: feels like,
Ben: but who
Jeremy: knows?
I do wonder maybe if like, there's
been a lot of talk as to like, Sydney
chose not to come back in this one.
Like she decided she wasn't
going to do it because they
weren't offering enough money.
And I wonder if there's a version
of the script where she is in
this movie and Gale does die.
Um, I don't know.
I really did like that as Gale's
closing line though, the like,
tell Sidney he didn't get me.
Like, yeah.
Worked for me.
Yeah, it wasn't
Ben: I think the directors talked
about wanting this woman to kind
of be both darker But also kind
of have a like be like the ending
where all the characters you like
make it out like this one time Yeah,
TJ: yeah, I give it a pass for that.
Yeah, and that's what I wanted to
Ben: do.
Yeah, I wouldn't want that I wouldn't
want this level of characters surviving to
be a recurring feature Like, I, with the
exception of like, Sidney, nobody should,
and I guess, and you know, and Gale, I
kinda, no one should have full plot armor.
TJ: Yeah, I agree.
It feels like they pulled their
punches here and but again, I've read
something the director said which
was like Oh, you know, we've really
wanted to make this feel good movie.
They were all gonna live We always knew
that and I was like, okay, I'll give you
a pass this one time But I'm next one
Bronwyn: with what I did with the movie
Ben: I again I would find if Chad
just get stabbed like fucking
14 times a movie right at this
TJ: point I'm
Ben: fine with that And then like
by like fucking stab to a screen 12,
they're just like brain aneurysm.
Chad, we were doing a change.
Chad just died brain aneurysm.
That was it.
Bronwyn: Right.
Like I am waiting for that.
Like, you know what, when Gail did
say, tell Sidney, he didn't get me.
I'm.
I need that to, at some point,
translate into somebody running
from Ghostface, somebody, you know,
having this epic fight scene, doing
Ben: something, and getting hit by a bus.
You don't kill me, you don't
kill me, I kill me, and then
just stop in their own heart, and
TJ: they're like, shoot a whale.
Roll themselves off the balcony.
That would be a real gale death.
Yes.
I'd
Ben: be into that.
Oh my god.
So now after that, they're like,
so after the, that craziness, they
decide that they're going to try to
trap Ghostface in the theater, but
together they need to go on the subway.
And then we get this movie's other
big kind of signature sequence, the
subway scene, which is fantastic.
The group is separated
into multiple trains.
Ghostface could be standing
right next to them.
You don't know.
There is a horror Ghostface
characters everywhere.
There is horror costumes galore.
You don't know who's just wearing
the mask, who's actually the killer.
You could be
TJ: the twink right next to you.
God,
Ben: when Ghostface starts coming
closer and closer to Mindy on the train.
That bit is so good.
That
TJ: whole
Bronwyn: scene is glorious.
Like, I remember when they were
going down to the subway, I was like,
TJ: Okay.
Okay.
Bronwyn: I get it.
Like, it's New York, so we
have to have a subway scene.
But can we talk about this?
Like, you guys know you need to stay
together for, like, plot armor purposes.
You have this whole thing.
Take a fucking cab.
Like,
TJ: walk.
Honestly, that
Ben: would have been better
TJ: to take a cab.
I should've got a party bus Uber.
You know,
Bronwyn: like, this is what I'm like,
Why would you put yourself in this?
I don't know, I Like, anyone
who's ever been on the subway
Ben: I will say this, it would've
been a while if I could see it though,
like, hold on, I'm getting an Uber
And then like, the car pulls up and
like And Ghostface comes out of the
TJ: car Now that would be great Cause
it's like a clown car, you know What if
he's just driving the car It pulls up
Jeremy: Why did you get
Ben: a share?
TJ: Even in the app it says
ghost face is arriving.
Jeremy: I love that in the subway there
are all these like horror characters.
There's at least one Chucky,
there's a Freddy, there's
a Jason, there's a Pinhead.
TJ: There's the twins from The Shining.
Jeremy: The twins from The Shining.
They've got the clown, like, uh,
the kid with the balloon from IT.
TJ: And Samara Weaving from Ready or Not.
Mojo Jojo's in there as well.
Yep.
Oh yeah, because that's Roger L.
Jackson.
That is a
Ben: Mojo Jojo.
Yeah.
TJ: Ghostface.
Ben: Fucking amazing.
That would have been
Jeremy: great if...
If it was the guy in the, uh, the Mojo
Jojo costume that was Ghostface, just...
Ben: How meta.
Didn't
Jeremy: see that one coming, did you?
Ben: It's me, Mojo
Jeremy: Jojo!
I'm the
Ben: killer.
That is a great Roger Jackson deep cut.
So yeah, on, so yeah, onto the
train ride, it's very spooky.
In the end, Mindy is stabbed.
TJ: But only like once in the show.
Somehow she survived.
Bronwyn: She only got stabbed once.
I'm telling you.
You
Ben: just need to get
some medical treatment.
It didn't get moved.
She didn't get disemboweled like Anika.
The knife didn't move.
It was like a, it was like a meme
poke by this movie standards,
like, she, she takes one stab to
the gut and like, it's practically
TJ: a love tap from, yeah, she's
Ben: got to get off the train, but like,
she's just making wisecracks, like,
she's like, she's telling jokes as she
exits the movie for the, for X Ray.
Why
TJ: did Ethan not finish her off?
I'm like, why did they let her live?
Yeah, that I don't get.
And even then, like, they had
enough time, the person could have
stabbed her, like, a lot more.
Yeah, they let her live and it's
like why it doesn't make sense.
I'm guessing
Jeremy: because she was out there in
public With, Ethan, so like, I don't
know, I guess maybe it was, they felt
like it would be too compromised to
TJ: finish it off right there.
That would be his alibi.
Yeah, exactly, like,
Bronwyn: Ethan was the only one there
with her, so if they were maintaining
that he, that it had to be somebody close
to them, part of their group, the whole
thing, that would really narrow it down to
Ben: him.
Yeah.
Meanwhile, at the theater Kirby is
like, I'm the only one with a gun.
Deal with it.
And Ghost Billy is like, yeah,
that's not gonna work for us.
Get a knife.
TJ: Good choice, honey.
Here, take my knife.
Did you guys think Kirby was in on it?
Briefly.
Jeremy: Yeah, briefly.
No, I never bought into that.
Ben: I was worried.
Well, again, there was that
sense of like, cause again, I was
pretty strong on the like, I think
Geno, I thought it was Terra.
What is the killer?
So I did really the sense of like, Ooh,
what if it is a previous survivor, but
I picked the wrong previous survivor,
TJ: but I
Bronwyn: didn't want it.
I was invested in it being Tara.
Like I wanted
TJ: it so bad.
Ben: I really thought it
was Tara and the detective.
TJ: Yeah, I thought,
Bronwyn: no, I, I, It took me a
long time to get to detective dad.
I was about like.
I don't know, halfway through the
movie maybe, before I was like, oh
yeah, Detective is probably in on
this, but like the minute, I clocked
Quinn from minute one, I was like, yep.
Ben: That's good on you, because I was
like, yep, Quinn's dead, okay, that's,
I'm not thinking about her anymore.
TJ: Oh yeah, no, when
Quinn died I was like, I
Bronwyn: was like.
Oh god, but Quinn's the killer.
How is that?
Oh, no, she's just faking her death.
TJ: Obviously.
I had dad and Quinn pegged right away,
which I was a little disappointed I
got it because when Quinn has that
scene where she's like, oh, my dad
moved here because my brother died
and it was like this so long backstory
and I was like, okay, obviously this
is going to come back into play and.
It's gonna be important.
So when she died, it was off screen
and I was like, that's suspicious.
We didn't see her die.
And then it got to the point where I
was like, okay, it has to be the dad,
something with the brother motivation.
She has to be alive.
So I had those two called, but Ethan.
Ethan came out
Bronwyn: of nowhere for me though, because
like, as I said, like, I was like it
could be Ethan just because, I didn't
make the connection to the brother,
you know, I didn't make the connection
TJ: to the family.
Yeah, that's the one thing I didn't get.
It's
Ben: the Scream 2 influence.
This is like Scream 2 is about...
Taking family, taking revenge, a
parent taking revenge, this is a parent
TJ: taking revenge.
Scream
Bronwyn: is the horror Fast and
Furious, it's all about family.
Like it's the core four family,
it's the family killer family,
it's legitimately all about family.
Holy shit.
Ben: I don't got victims.
I got family.
Right?
Bronwyn: It's hilarious.
But like, the family that
kills together stays together.
Oh, I should have just gone with slaves.
That really was a missed opportunity.
God
TJ: damn it.
Ben: Um, you know, Ghostface's attack
both Kirby and Dermot Mulroney show up
accusing the other of being Ghostface.
Uh, suppose it's Dermot Mulroney.
Kirby is not Ghostface.
Or Kirby.
TJ: I wanted to really be with Kirby
more, but I guess you can't do that
when you're trying to confuse me.
Right, and they want us to
think she could be in on it, so.
Exactly.
Ben: It's a, we get the classic screen
finale, knives go through brain stems,
gun people get shot in the face, Dermot
Mulroney gets stabbed like eleventy
million y times, uh, it's pretty
spectacular Chad survives despite
being a fuckin pincushion again.
TJ: Here's your pinhead.
Jeremy: you know, we have the whole fight
scene and that ends with, the dad being...
Dad coming off the balcony with
her and, uh, waking up to, like,
them doing a full Sidney where,
like, they're the ghost face now.
Getting ready to kill him.
They don't impale anybody
with an umbrella this
Ben: time, but...
It does seem like Sam could
have just, you know...
Killed him while he was still passed
out instead of staging a whole ghost
phase thing, but hey, you do you.
Samu made for a good climax.
I
TJ: feel like she just really wanted to.
It was like scratching that itch for her.
Bronwyn: Exactly.
By that point, she was feral Samu.
Ben: She was It's definitely a lot
less cinematic for her to just go
like, Oh, well, he's unconscious.
All right, cool.
Stab, stab, stab, stab, stab,
stab, stab while he's unconscious.
TJ: I definitely want the next one.
If you want him to know.
Sam's next movie, I want Sam, like,
to be eager for someone to come after
her so that she can do this again.
And her just start, being a, taking them
out real quick throughout the movie.
Bronwyn: I kind of want Sam
to be like, talking to Tara,
you know, it's just like, so
TJ: that guy was really rude to you.
You
Ben: know, she just dropped the ghost
face mask on the ground, showing
that she has chosen the family
of the core four over the family
of Being a third generation mass
TJ: murderer.
Legacy doesn't
Bronwyn: have to be a bad thing.
Exactly.
She made her choice.
She chose Terra.
She chose them, whatever.
But now Terra is going to lead
the Core Four into murder.
TJ: You could have had both.
She could have picked both.
A part of me is like, why'd you drop it?
You should have kept it.
Come on.
Ben: And that, ladies and gentle days.
Is Scream
TJ: Sex.
Yes.
Woo!
Loved it.
Thought the killer reveals
were a little weak.
Uh, and the acting with
the killers I thought was a
little bland to disappointing.
But besides that,
Ben: Not as fun as, Jack
Quaid in the last movie.
Ah, so
TJ: good.
For sure.
And Feral Sammy was
Bronwyn: much, much more exciting
as a psycho than any of the killers.
You said
Jeremy: a lot about Feral Sammy, but Tara
hitting that chick in the face with a
brick and making her spit her teeth out?
Ben: Yeah!
I'm telling you, Tara
Bronwyn: as the killer!
Ben: Ethan wished he had, like,
Timothy Elephant scream to unhinge that
TJ: invitation.
He was trying so hard.
Talk about weakest link.
Okay, I love the twink.
I think he's real cute.
Uh, his acting here, I was like,
Ugh, he was really struggling.
No,
Bronwyn: he was born to be a himbo.
When he had to make the switch over to...
TJ: Psycho, he did not, he
didn't understand the assignment.
Right.
He could play innocent himbo very well.
But besides that, not enough bandwidth.
Yeah.
And then oh my god, when Tara
gets him, what does she say
to him when she kills him?
Ben: Oh, God.
Die you fucking virgin.
Yeah,
TJ: die a virgin.
Yes, die a fucking virgin, yes.
Jeremy: I did appreciate
the, you lost another
Ben: brother.
Yeah, Sam's very good.
Oh, damn.
TJ: Ah, glorious.
Top tier Sam.
Oh,
Bronwyn: God.
I know, you know what
though, I really want is...
A slasher doesn't have to be screened,
but at some point in my life, I want a
slasher movie, like in the slasher genre
with all of this fun slasher stuff, but
where the slasher motivation isn't stupid.
Like, I know, I know, I know, but
like, bear with me because, okay.
Are you
Ben: saying that make a better
reboot to their favorite
film franchise isn't a good?
This is a dumb motivation.
No, what I want is.
It's a very dumb person motivation.
But, I love that.
You know, they're like,
Bronwyn: you killed my family, so what?
I'm going to, I'm going to
kill, I'm going to kill you.
So, wait, no, let me figure this out.
He killed a bunch of people that I
love, trying to kill me, so I killed
him in self defense, but I'm not allowed
to kill him for killing my family.
Because he's your family.
Wait, what?
No, so like this that
TJ: whole like
Bronwyn: You killed my family.
Well, yeah, but he killed my family.
Didn't he deserve to die
by your own logic like
TJ: that?
Hmm, I do,
Jeremy: you know, I do wonder how
involved Kevin Williamson was in the
plotting of this movie Because the
climax of this movie is very similar
to spoiler for a completely different
movie sick which is the one that the
motivation for this family of people
trying to kill this girl Is, uh, she
had COVID and gave it to their son
at a party, and their son died of
COVID so they decide to go kill her.
TJ: It's the same motivation
of Scream 2 as well, which
he also wrote, let's be fair.
Ben: Yeah, the plot, the motivation
is, how dare you defend yourself
from being killed by my child?
TJ: Right?
Bronwyn: Like, and you kind of, you
get that a little bit in, like, Just
with the whole kind of, like, people
putting themselves in a position to
judge other people by doing the thing
they've judged as wrong, like, that
sort of cognitive dissonance in the
main villains, I always, like, it's
fun, it's entertaining, it's great, but
I would really love to see A slasher
with a motivation kind of more on the
Magneto end of things than on the like,
TJ: like Jill, she just
wanted to be famous,
Bronwyn: like, and I just know I want
somebody who like, is legitimately out
there killing for what they think is
a very solid reason and they can make
an argument for it, but they're not,
TJ: they're not,
Ben: they're not judging,
you don't like Michael Myers
motivation of because he can,
TJ: that's better.
No,
Jeremy: I will say.
We talked about it a few months ago.
I don't know if you watched
it, but did you watch Sissing?
TJ: No,
Ben: I haven't watched that one yet.
Oh, Sissy's so good.
Go watch it.
Jeremy: Okay.
Yeah, because that is similar in a
lot of ways to what you're suggesting
of like, yeah, I can see that.
Bronwyn: Yes, because I just, I find
those, I find that more challenging as
a viewer and it's very entertaining.
TJ: We talked about.
Like this is
Bronwyn: like this, I love this.
I love this.
So this is not to say
this doesn't have a place.
This was fabulous and.
Loved it.
I just...
In addition.
TJ: Yeah, definitely.
Jeremy: And sometimes you
can root for, you know?
TJ: Right, and we haven't really had that.
In this franchise yet.
So I think it would be neat.
That's how I feel about Sam.
Make her that ghost face
that I'm rooting for.
Exactly.
We talked about how much we loved
the opening because of how it really
changed the format of what we had
come to expect and it really raised my
expectations of the third act here so
when we got to this, you know, it just
kind of felt like the same rinse repeat
finale that we've had a few times.
That's fair.
Not, not that it wasn't well
done, you know, the killers again.
Ben: It's very much a scream finale.
Right, I, so
TJ: I wish they, you know, I always
wanted to change it at this rate and
just, Have someone get away with it.
We, you know, we find out at
the end, like, oh my gosh,
there's still one out there.
Lead into the next sequel.
So I was a little disappointed that
they didn't follow through with changing
the script like that with the end,
like they did with the beginning.
But then I'm like, oh, well,
they could do that with seven.
And then that could lead into eight.
Ben: I mean, I talk a lot
about how well this movie is.
New York as a setting.
Yeah.
But I do think one of the crucial
missteps this movie really did make
was at no point having somebody say,
Hey, I'm ghost facing over here.
Jeremy: Yeah.
I feel the same way.
I do, think it's funny that it took six
more movies for them to finally pull
the trigger on a third ghost face, which
like was everybody's theory on the second
TJ: movie.
Okay, to be fair, that was
something where I was like, they
need to change up the formula and
do a third or fourth ghost face.
So I'm glad they threw in a third
one, but it felt very inconsequential.
Ben: Plus we got that amazing
shot of like the two ghost
faces like cleaning their noses.
TJ: Yeah, that was great.
I loved that.
Right.
I wish they'd done
Ben: more with that.
Visual poetry.
TJ: Yeah.
Bronwyn: Yeah, Ghostface as the twins
from the Matrix, only not terrible.
Ben: I do love fucking Chad just like
smashing people over the head with
a fucking gumball machine and shit.
Yes.
Jeremy: So I do have to ask TJ,
have you seen this story from Kevin
Williamson about about Kirby coming back?
Probably.
TJ: Which one are you talking about?
Apparently, like, it was a plan
Jeremy: for her to come back, and it
took longer than they meant to because
they couldn't find Hayden Pantieri.
Oh, yes.
Because Hayden Pantieri doesn't
have doesn't have an agent, and
so like That's fucking hilarious.
Pushed it ahold of her, and finally
like He was filming something in
Nashville and met her producers from
the show in Nashville and was then
able to get in contact with her.
Yeah.
Does he have an
TJ: agent?
Yeah, so Kevin didn't intend for her to
survive the fourth one, but he departed,
like, way early into production.
So a lot changed after he left.
And then the fifth one, of course,
they got new writers, directors, and I
think they right away were like, Okay.
We wanna bring her back.
How do we get in touch with her?
So him as the producer, you know, I
think is what he's talking about there.
But then if you ask Hayden
Panier, she'll tell you that she
was the one that reached out.
So yeah.
So they're both saying, oh, I
reached out to them to be a part.
You know what I mean?
So I think she was trying and
they were trying, and then finally
they got in touch together.
And she gave permission for in the
fifth one to for them to use her
photo in that easter egg and but it
was so late in production that they
couldn't like do a cameo or anything
Ben: like that.
So I'm really glad it paid off
with her full blown return in six.
Also, I really need to just highlight
one of the greatest fucking lines
of the whole series goes really
telling Sam get our murder on again.
TJ: Like, I'm sorry, but Ghost Billy
Bronwyn: is the best dad
in the whole franchise.
Best dad!
TJ: Best dad Billy!
Ben: It's great!
TJ: Instead of Bubble Butt
Jeremy: Billy.
Ben: Um, yeah.
I'm so glad this franchise
gave us Ghost Billy.
It's, it feels like it should be a Jump
the Shark moment, but I love it so much.
TJ: Well, now that it's happened
in five and six, it has to
happen in every movie with Sam.
That's all I'm saying.
Oh
Jeremy: yeah.
Oh, do love that.
They, they paid lip service to stew in
this, of like, oh, you know this, this tv,
this is the TV that killed Stew Mocker.
Oh, if you believe he's really dead,
like, I love actually kill somebody.
I was like,
TJ: alright, it's making me not
angry, but I'm getting there where
I'm like, if they keep bringing it up
and you know, it's like fan service.
But at the point now where they
keep bringing it up, where, like,
you have to follow through with it
eventually, even if you're not gonna
bring him back from the dead, like...
Do a voice cameo through
a voice changed thing.
You know what I mean, but it's like
they keep hinting at him coming back in
some form and I'm like, I don't know.
I just feel like they have
to follow through eventually.
I really just hope
Ben: they have like Matthew Lillard
just comes back to the franchise
as a completely new character.
People go like, hey, you look a
lot like Stu and he's just like,
yeah, I've gotten that before,
TJ: you know.
Yeah, actually, that would be brilliant.
Bronwyn: I was thinking
like they could do like.
They have a new voice modulator and it
sounds like Stu instead of Ghostface.
TJ: Yeah, my problem, my pitch for a
screen movie is when it's the last one,
do the voice changer again and just have
them, the person, be changing their voice
to impersonate different Ghostface killers
from all the films and be like calling,
call Kirby as Jill, call Sidney as Billy,
you know, like, that's what I want.
Ben: I do appreciate when You know,
fucking Kirby and Mindy are doing
the, like, I'll show you mine if you
show me yours, with horror movies.
When they are like, Candyman, original
or reboot, and they're like, both.
Correct.
TJ: Correct answer.
The only one I have to
Jeremy: take any sort of argument
with is the, uh, Friday the 13th one.
And I can see four.
Which is Kirby's answer.
Four is pretty good.
I hate two.
I think two is terrible.
I know there are some people,
the same people in a lot of cases
that really like Texas Chainsaw
Massacre, but like, two is just not,
Ben: not my thing.
Also, when Quinn was revealed
as the killer, did anyone
else have in their notes?
And they were roommates!
TJ: The, the Kirby Mindy scene when,
when they talk about the thing you're
talking about Jeremy and Kirby's like,
Oh, I had a crush on Corey Feldman.
I was like, Oh, a man.
And then I looked him up and I
was like, Oh no, that tracks.
Yeah, that's a compulsory
heterosexuality right there.
Yeah, I was like,
Jeremy: Oh, I was like.
He's a boy in that movie.
Yeah,
Ben: especially.
TJ: When his long, his androgynous vibe.
Oh my god,
Ben: Mindy, Mindy hears
that and goes like.
Okay, I see what's
TJ: up.
Yeah, it's like, oh,
you're fucking gay, okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ben: So, Sam's character arc in this
is she needs to learn to let go of
Terra, which becomes incredibly literal.
TJ: I know, I'm howled.
And
Ben: I guess Terra's character
arc is admitting that she's
not okay, and that's okay.
TJ: Yeah.
Some people were shitting on the
literal, you have to let me go scene,
but I thought it was really well done.
It could have been really
corny, but I thought it worked.
It was, I think it was
both corny, not it worked.
The
Ben: knife space.
It, it worked and it was corny as fuck.
Yes.
Yeah.
But it screamed.
It could have been bad.
I do not mind the scream
franchise being corny.
No, exactly.
Like this is a,
TJ: you get the
Bronwyn: whole idea
through the whole thing.
It's like
TJ: we, we see you.
Ben: Like that there is this whole family
of like these, all these characters from,
from one, from four, from five coming back
and that we care about them like this is
a very character centric film franchise.
Like this is like much more like
if every other the one thing that
really truly does that scream
apart is if every other slasher is.
focused on the killers.
Scream really does stand apart as
a series that's focused on surviv
TJ: on the survivors.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's really cool actually
when you put it like that.
Jeremy: I think so.
And I do appreciate also that this movie
remembered that they like That they
had already done the scene with the
tracing the call and that it was, in
fact, their uncle that died during that
Ben: scene.
Right.
Yes, uh, I love that.
This
Jeremy: didn't work
TJ: last time either.
Right.
As the Kirby stan here, I was like,
because it's Mindy saying, You should
remember this is how our uncle died.
And I'm like, Kirby forgot that
like, you know, I was like, uh,
I guess Kirby wasn't around.
That was two movies before Kirby,
but she was a huge stab fan.
She was, uh, that's true.
So I was like, I saw in my mind.
I'm like, Kirby has distanced herself
from horror films because of her trauma.
And I respect that.
Jeremy: I mean, and she also
has the, I can, you know, I
can trace call him 15 seconds.
And to her credit, she
is able to trace it.
It just doesn't do them any good to trace
TJ: it because he's not there.
They're just sitting in that Randy van.
So can we talk about predictions
for the franchise going forward?
So the things we know about 7 is it's
happening, it's the director of Happy
Death Day and Freaky, and supposedly,
I know right, it's gonna be gay er, and
apparently Nev Campbell was in discussions
to come back before the strike.
So that's all we know.
Ben: I want Patrick Dempsey return slash
TJ: death.
I don't want him to die though.
I mean, I guess he could, I wouldn't
care, but yeah, I just want to see him.
Ben: I just feel like you need something
big to get Sydney back in the plot.
Yeah,
TJ: that would do it.
That's fair.
Ben: And like you said,
I don't want to do Galen.
It's like, I feel like we can
sacrifice Patrick Dempsey.
It was been off screen since Scream 3.
Yeah.
Jeremy: Like I'm okay with.
Her not coming back with Sidney being
done, because I feel like if she does
come back, then this feels like...
Oh, we just couldn't get her.
We didn't want to pay her the money, not
we're moving forward with the franchise.
We're following these new characters.
These are the characters that matter.
Now,
Ben: I like the idea of Cindy just showing
up and having revealed that she dealt
with her own screen, like an entirely
different screen movie that happened
TJ: off screen.
Bronwyn: I actually, I think
we could work with that too.
And then you could have like a, Cameo
esque, like, maybe a bit longer than a
normal, like, just a short little thing,
but with something like that where you
have multiple, multiple ghost faces,
because it's not just multiple ghost
faces in terms of, like, oh, there are
two killers, or oh, there are three
killers, but in this case there's, like,
multiple ghost faces active at the same
time, and then we get Terra and Sammy
as ghost faces hunting the ghost faces.
Like, that
TJ: would be super meta.
That's your hope.
Jeremy, I agree in that if we bring
back Sydney and make it the Sydney
show, it's going to take away from all
the progress we've gotten in this film.
So when I heard we had a new
director, because I look at Sam and
Tara in the core four very much the
director's babies at this point.
So the fact that they're not coming
back had me worried at first.
And, you know, I think it would be good,
even with this new director, because I
like his stuff, but, I was like, well,
you know what, the, and the directors
are doing something completely different
right now with Melissa Barrera, so
she's also busy, and it's like, well,
what are they gonna do with Seven?
And in my mind, I'm like, Do a Sydney
movie with this new director, have it
be a Sydney movie, and then let the
other directors come back for eight
and do another Samara movie, like they
don't have to be in each other's movies
and do a Kirby spinoff movie for nine.
I just, you know, I'm like,
just whatever's, just gimme all
Ben: of 'em.
I just hope whatever's done, I hope
it isn't a return to Woodsboro and
we keep seeing like interesting,
unique locations for the series.
I agree.
Give me scream at burning man.
TJ: Oh, my God.
Yeah.
Yeah, I
Jeremy: think that's, that's the biggest
thing for me and my worry with any sort
of bringing Sydney back is I love it
when franchises like this step up and
do something different and then expand
the world rather than retracting.
Unfortunately, I feel like we've seen
that sort of retraction, both with.
Star Wars, Jurassic Park, like these
things keep sort of pulling it back
cause like, the end of the, I know a
lot of people really have, really hate
like Jurassic Park Fallen Kingdom, but
the end of that where the thing is like,
oh yeah, they're just fucking dinosaurs
everywhere now, like they're out in
the wild, they live with us, that's
something we're gonna have to deal with.
Being like the set up for
the next movie, I was like,
TJ: Do they deal
Jeremy: with it?
No, they immediately are like, We're
gonna bring back all the old characters
and we're gonna send them again to a
park where there is an enclosed amount
of space with them and dinosaurs.
If only
TJ: that was my only
issue with Jurassic Park.
I'm so
Ben: glad these are the movies that make
a billion dollars every installment.
Y'all is scream sex
TJ: feminist.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Agree.
Yo, good.
Ladies can
Bronwyn: murder
TJ: too, you know.
Good discussion.
Ben: I mean, like, it's screaming,
it's always centered women characters.
You've got Sam, you've got Tara,
you've got Mindy, you've got Gail.
TJ: I think the only one we maybe
questioned was 3, is that right?
Ben: 3, 3 just has
Jeremy: the issue of it, the whole story
being a Harvey Weinstein story produced
by Harvey Weinstein, um, and that was
just like, as I was, as I was watching
it after the Miramax logo came up, and
that was the story, I was like, what,
TJ: what?
The stuff with her mother in
that film was, It's just like,
Jeremy: imagine being Harvey Weinstein
reading this script to this and
being like, hmm, sounds like an
interesting concept for a film.
Like, not at all my life.
Like, fucking imagine.
I don't know,
TJ: man.
It's making me make this face.
It was wild.
Jeremy: Yeah, I mean, four is a
little, I think, weaker on that
respect as well, but I think, one,
two, five and six are pretty solidly.
Feminist.
I concur.
Ben: Yep.
Now then Queer rights and gayness,
we, we continue the reign of
Minty as all things wonderful.
We do love Arm, Andy, we,
we do not get onscreen Kirby
gayness, unfortunately, A less,
Bronwyn: although there's
definitely, it's subtext.
Yeah, there's no text for Kirby, but
there is some deep, deep subtext there.
TJ: I agree.
And it was there in the fourth movie,
and I feel like they could've easily
been like, oh, I have a husband at
home, or some bullshit like that.
But the fact that they left it
ambiguous and gave us that energy still
and those lines and that pantsuit.
Yes, so I'm like, you know what, Mindy can
be the textual for now, and Kirby can be
Jeremy: subtext.
She's desperately trying to be Dana
Scully, and it seems like, which
if there's any, if there's anything
TJ: more queer than that, I don't know.
If you think Dana Scully I don't
Jeremy: know.
If there's anything more queer
than trying to be Dana Scully,
I don't know what it is.
Yeah,
Ben: right?
Extremely
TJ: fair.
Yeah.
I think Kirby wants to
be Sydney really bad.
I
Bronwyn: think Kirby wants
to do Sydney real bad.
TJ: Oh yeah, in 4, she's like,
she has scars everywhere.
She had a huge crush on her.
So I want Sydney and Kirby to meet so bad.
Oh
Ben: she's so gay in 4, it's crazy.
I want
TJ: Sydney to be like, you're
Ben: me?
Blonde.
So yeah, I, I think, yeah,
Jeremy: I think Mind Mindy is incredibly
and unapologetically queer, uh mm-hmm.
, oh, yes.
In, in ways that feel real and
earned and not in ways that are
like, yes, I am the gay character.
Ben: This is me.
Oh, and this is like, I mean,
she feels very authe authentic.
Yes.
And yeah.
And again, she's not, her queerness
feels very front and center in
her identity, but in the way.
I know lots of queer
people do not in a Exactly.
Straight person making a token
TJ: person.
Exactly.
Mason Gooding said he's down for By Chad.
I'm just saying.
Hell
Ben: yes.
Hell,
TJ: I thought so.
Frigging
Bronwyn: flirting with God.
Ethan, like I'm just saying,
I There was chemistry
TJ: there.
Uh,
Jeremy: both.
I will say both of the twins.
feel like they were
written by queer writers.
Whether Chad is supposed to be bi
or not, he feels like, you know, a
queer writer's idea of a good He's bi
TJ: energy.
He has deep bi energy.
And I will stand on my hill of
the friend group, entire friend
group in Scream 5 was all gay.
They were all queer.
It's a queer friend group.
Sam can be the one heterosexual.
Okay,
Bronwyn: Sam just doesn't
know yet, is all I'm saying.
Been through a lot, she hasn't figured
TJ: her shit out.
Ben: Yeah.
And then I think in terms of
class, all we get is, Rich kids
in Atlanta bought the theater!
Don't look into this anymore!
Bronwyn: Rich kids in
Atlanta are facilitating
TJ: murder.
No
Ben: further questions.
And then, yeah, I mean, I think Jeremy,
I think you really hit the nail on the
head when, uh, you, you talked about the
diversity in this movie, how, you know,
that it is very good to see this level of
diversity amongst the cast, how some of
it is represented more authentically than
others, though, in the script and story.
Jeremy: Kirby and Gale are the
only white people who aren't
killers in this movie, so.
Yeah.
Bronwyn: Oh, can we have
a conversation though?
I think that is really interesting.
Spawned by what both you guys said.
Actually I think all three of you touched
on, cause Ben you just did as well.
With...
The idea that, you know, we have these
main character groups, we have the
core four, and none of the core four
are white, so we have a comparison
here of sort of, authentic race
representation, which I think is a
really fascinating conversation to have.
I think it's important to have those kind
of conversations, but hey, can we take
a second to appreciate that we have an
opportunity to have that conversation?
TJ: Because we have a core
Ben: four.
it's kind of a good problem to have.
Yeah.
TJ: Yeah, exactly.
Bronwyn: That like, certainly
when I was growing up, that's
not a problem we would have had.
And we sure as hell would not have
had three of those four be women.
I just rewatched Flatliners.
And you know what?
It was still fun, but
TJ: we got a one woman in
that and that was all you get.
Ben: That's not enough women.
You need more
TJ: women.
There
Bronwyn: was, there was not even
an opportunity for a Bechdel test
because there was no one else
for Julia Roberts to talk to.
You
TJ: can watch the remake.
I have not seen the remake.
How was it?
I have not seen it.
I just know it exists.
Bronwyn: But as far as 90s
films go, it wasn't terrible.
So I'll take it.
But, oh, wow.
Wow.
Does it highlight the
TJ: difference?
I'll tell you that.
Yeah,
Jeremy: I think like the, the
queerness feels very authentic.
And I think they lean more into that with
Mindy's character than her blackness,
which I, I, you know, I do think is there.
And I, I think some of that is, is due to
the acting but yeah, I think it does feel
like a little bit of a missed opportunity
to have two sort of Latina leads in this
story and not even sort of acknowledge
it, like, I don't know if it's I don't
know what the best way to do that is,
but it, it does feel like it's not a
thing that, It's written into the script.
It's like a coincidence almost.
Yeah,
Bronwyn: I mean, like, I, and I don't
know how I feel about that to be
perfectly honest, because while, and
like, because I'm not sure, I'm kind of
speaking off the cuff, so I haven't had
an opportunity to really examine where
I'm coming from when I say this, so
forgive me if it doesn't come out right.
But, like, we don't expect to
have it sort of outlined in
the script if people are white.
So, you know, it's kind of nice to
not have it necessarily outlined in
their character description or their
whatever and have them still be Latina.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, to have that just be who
they are and not be a critical part
TJ: of the character itself.
Yeah.
Kind of like with queer people, right?
Like,
Bronwyn: queer people are
everywhere doing all of the things.
It doesn't have to be the
central part of their character.
TJ: Right.
I think we need all types of stories.
Speaking as a queer person, you need
all types of stories where it, you know,
where it is a huge part of the character
and a part of the story, and then you
need ones where it's just really casual
representation, where you just happen to
be that thing on top of everything else.
And I feel like, This is 1 of those types
of representation and maybe it's not what
some people want and maybe it could be
better, but we need that type as well.
I would say this is my opinion.
Bronwyn: Yeah.
And, like, I, as I said, I am not in
any way, shape or form sort of in a
position to make that determination.
It's just.
My initial off the cuff thought about it.
Jeremy: Yeah, yeah, I don't know there.
There is some something interesting to
me about none of the fact that Being
a seemingly fairly well off Latina kid
living in Northern, California and then
moving to New York and living alone
there for the first time would be a very
different kind of experience I don't
know, it feels like there's something
there and that it's not necessarily
something that anybody needed to hang a
lampshade on, but it is something that I
think could benefit from having somebody
in the writing room that is That has
experience that has those experiences
that, you know, can make, make a person.
TJ: Definitely.
You can have those little things
and still not make it be about that.
Exactly.
And that is missing here.
You're totally right.
Ben: Yeah.
And that's, uh, is that, is
that, does that, uh, bring to a
head our discussion of Scream 6?
I think it might.
the most current and currently
last movie in the Scream franchise.
TJ: Hopefully not forever.
If it was the last, I would be satisfied.
For now, until
Ben: Netflix decides
to start paying people.
TJ: Yeah.
Yeah.
Come on, Netflix.
Get your shit together.
And if we never saw Sydney
again, I'd be satisfied.
But I do hope to see her again.
Jeremy: I'll be interested to
see where they go from here.
Ben: I want to see Nev Campbell just
do in character, like, web series where
she's just like, Here's Sydney's Instagram
account of her not dealing with Ghostface.
TJ: Yes.
Jeremy: Just watching news
reports and being like, man,
that sounds like it sucks.
TJ: And it just changes the
freaky director, I'm like...
I, I'd be down for a Sydnee movie where
it's literally just all campiness.
Oh, and like, like as you're
saying, Ben, just her taking
out Ghostface is left and Right.
No care in the world.
Oh my God.
The multiverse of Ghostface Ben says
into The Scream Averse isn't on it.
Yes.
Into the Scream Averse.
Ben: Yes.
Again, I think, again, bring Luke Wilson
back as the killer who's so tired of.
Having played ghost face that
he now must be ghost face.
That would be
TJ: really good.
I like it.
So the six everyone's second
favorite now, and I mean, yes, it is.
Ben: Yeah, you know, I
Jeremy: feel like I feel like overall,
I like this movie, probably better,
like, start to finish than one, but.
There is no moment, I think, quite as,
like, fun and unhinged as that, like,
reveal scene with the two killers in one.
Like, the two of them just really
chewing all the fucking scenery and
laying on top of each other bleeding.
It's just, it's so good.
TJ: And somehow
Bronwyn: the queer coding in one is
stronger than the actual queer rep in
TJ: six.
Like, I'm sorry, but I could,
I could maybe stand by that.
Those killers.
Bronwyn: Oh, they were banging.
They'd
TJ: be banging.
Yeah.
You know, I'm a, I'm a Scream 4 lover,
so 4 and 6 are kind of tied for my,
my second place right now, but the
OG is still, still number one for me.
I'm gonna go
Bronwyn: back and forth on that one.
Jenna
TJ: Ortega's a strong pull.
Yeah,
Ben: yeah, she's good.
They didn't know what they had in 5, but
they definitely know what they have now.
Yeah.
I think
Jeremy: it's 1 and 6.
And then four and five and then two
and three, um, like three, I can
appreciate for what it is, but it's
not a particularly strong entry in
the street in the screen franchise.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jay and Silent Bob are in a
horror movie is a great phone.
Um, what it is, the, the ending of
that, especially with, you know,
who, who produced it really makes
that one a hard one to swallow
TJ: for me.
Yeah, I will say there's a
Someone leaked a scream 3 cut.
It's called the assembly cut and it has
like 20 extra minutes of footage So if
anyone wants to watch it, it's out there.
Is it better?
Do you recommend it?
I haven't watched it yet
Saving it for a rainy day
Jeremy: That is definitely the one
that feels most like there's a lot of
stuff left on the cutting room floor
Cause three, it's just, it's just,
things just happen in that movie.
Yeah, it's a bit unhinged.
All right.
So it sounds like everybody
recommends this one.
Do we have anything else we wanted
to, uh, recommend to folks this week?
Bronwyn, Agara.
TJ: Watch She Hulk.
Yes.
That
Bronwyn: shit is incredible.
Oh my god, what is that
Samara Weaving movie where
TJ: she gets married?
Ready or Not?
Yes.
Written by
Jeremy: the writer of this movie.
One
Ben: of my
TJ: favorite movies we've
ever covered for this podcast.
There was a costume cameo of her
character in the subway scene.
Yes, exactly.
So,
Bronwyn: that is my
recommendation, Ready or Not.
I love that movie.
Holy crap.
TJ: So good.
Glorious.
Glorious.
DJ, what about you?
I might have recommended this
before, but we were talking about...
Scream and how it talks about race or
doesn't talk about race, and I know I
said the TV show sucks, but Season 3
of the Scream TV show is a standalone
miniseries that tackles issues of
race and horror with black characters
in high school being attacked by
Ghostface, and it does have Roger L.
Jackson as Ghostface, so there's that.
It isn't particularly good.
But it does talk about these themes, and
it is Scream, so you could check that out.
And if you're looking for something
that puts Horror Slasher in a really
specific location like this movie
did, Chucky Season 3 starts really
soon, and it's about Chucky in the
White House killing the first family.
So, I think it's gonna be fun.
Oh my god, okay.
Yeah.
What about, uh, you, Jeremy?
Jeremy: I am gonna recommend a video
game because when I first started Spider
Man Miles Morales, Spider Man colon
Miles Morales, the semi sequel to the
Spider Man PS4 game that is on PS5,
I thought, this sounds great, but why
on earth would you choose the Tinkerer
as the villain for this, uh, game?
And what they do is reinvent
the character of the Tinkerer.
As Finn Mason, who is a, a, teen girl who
is fighting against this sort of company
that is taking over her neighborhood.
You know, she is a, a brilliant
teen inventor who is Miles's
friend, who is fighting against
Roxxon to save her neighborhood.
But doing it with terrorism and, uh.
Blowing things up and is played both
voiced and I think done some of the
motion capture by Jasmine Savoy Brown
and it's a short game compared to
the PS4 Spider Man, which is a big,
sprawling game but like, it's incredible.
The story is so well done.
She is so good in it.
And it's like, It takes a
character that I have never given
a flying shit about, the Tinkerer.
Even as somebody who likes obscure
Marvel characters and reinvents them
in a way that I was like, Yeah, shit,
like, I would watch a whole, series
about just this character, like,
Bring her back, do more with her.
That was before I even really
knew Jasmine Savoy Brown.
Bronwyn: I didn't make that connection.
I didn't know that through that.
I did not know that was her,
TJ: but I love that game.
That was really good.
Jeremy: Yeah, it's really solid.
That game is so good.
It's so good.
They capture New York.
Incredibly well, and in particular
parts of New York in ways that a
lot of games don't try to do, and,
uh, She is a really incredible part
of that as a character who is, who
is like what we were talking about.
We wanted a ghost face we can cheer for.
She is a bad guy who is blowing shit
up and doesn't care if innocent people
get hurt because she's, fighting this
giant evil corporation that killed her
brother and is taking over her town.
She has
Bronwyn: understandable rage.
Jeremy: Yeah, she's great.
That's everybody, right?
We all got that in?
All right.
All right well, as we, uh, wrap things
up here, TJ, did you want to let people,
uh, remind people where they can find you
online and, and listen to your podcast?
TJ: Yeah, you can find me all over, on
all the social medias, at Troy Finn 2,
where I talk about books, queer things,
Batman, all sorts of things, Buffy, I love
Buffy and you can listen to my podcast
Gotham Outsiders, at Gotham Outsiders,
where I co host with my friend Chris,
and we talk about Batman, and make it
really gay and really feminist, more
than it already is, Gotham It's fabulous.
Awesome.
And confirm.
Jeremy: And what about you Bronwyn?
Tell us about your podcast with
TJ: Chris.
Bronwyn: Uh, I also co
host a podcast with Chris.
It's called Thirsty on Tune.
It's on the Talking Comics feed.
So you can find us on the
socials at Thirsty on Tune.
And where, yeah, if you
don't make it gay, we will.
Uh, but you can find me on all
the things social at shinybabybee.
Jeremy: Fantastic.
And, uh, Ben, you want to remind
people where they can find you online?
Ben: Yes, you can find
me at BenKahnComics.
com.
Subscribe to my newsletter and make
sure to pick up Elle Campbell Wins
Their Weekend out now in bookstores
TJ: everywhere.
So good.
I absolutely loved it.
Thank you, TJ.
Both of you, Jeremy2DogNight, and both
of your books, just, I'm putting together
a list for summer reading at my library,
and I have both of those on there.
So hopefully we'll make the cut,
but I really hope they will.
Ben: Both excellent.
Aw, thank
Jeremy: you.
Yeah, and uh, as for me,
you can find me on
Tumblr at jeremywhitley.
tumblr.
com.
You can find me at bluesky, where I'm
spending much more time than I am at
Twitter now, at, uh, jeremywhitley.
And, uh, bluesky dot, what the fuck
ever, just Jeremy Whitley is fine.
Uh, you'll, you'll find me.
Yeah, and, uh, of course you can
pick up my book, The Dog Night.
It's in stores now.
We are currently, as you're listening to
this, a month away from the second book
of School for Extraterrestrial Girls
coming out from me and Jamie Noguchi.
Which, if you're listening to this, you've
probably heard us talk with Jamie just,
uh, I think last week about Godzilla.
Nice.
yeah, and of course, I've also got,
uh, Instagram, Brain Brainstop.
Yes.
Instagram.
I'm also jrome58 and, uh,
you can find me there.
And more, more books to come next year.
we're getting ready to
wrap up scary movie month.
Uh, this is the fourth of
our updates to old movies.
We've got one more coming up next week as
we will be talking about Evil Dead Rise,
the latest in the Evil Dead franchise.
Uh, boy, that's a brutal one.
So, uh, I look forward to talking
to y'all about it next week.
Until next time, stay horrified.
gonna have to have an
assembly cut of this podcast.
TJ: Alright, I have
Ben: somebody to run to, uh,