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Nick Loudon (00:00)
Okay, let's do it. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the break room. My name is Nick Loudon, your lovely host, not co-host. These are my less lovely co-hosts, Corey and Zach. ⁓ Today I have great topic.
And it's more of a test for the two of you. I know we've done compatibility tests ⁓ We did like a nerd quiz at one point This test I'm calling it founder or fraud. Okay, I have a list and I use the term fraud very Loosely, you know, it's more just like a term for ⁓
like fake internet guru type people, but I have list of 10 quotes and you have to guess whether you think it's from like a founder or CEO or if it's from like a fake internet guru like, you know, like Andrew Tate or Iman, whatever his name is, or, you know, there's all sorts of different gurus, but. ⁓
Corey Haines (01:01)
Okay, so like a proven
fraudulent fraudster. Yeah.
Nick Loudon (01:05)
Not, no, just like a, not necessarily
Zstvns (01:05)
Yeah, a proven charlatan.
Nick Loudon (01:09)
proven like they're in jail, but they just, they occupy a space of the internet that is like, sure, they might own a business, but they're, ⁓ 95 % of their business is built on the back of their internet persona, which is ridiculous. How does that sound? Like Grant Cardone fits into this internet guru category.
Zstvns (01:16)
unearned.
Corey Haines (01:27)
Okay, I love it.
Zstvns (01:28)
Yeah, go for it.
Corey Haines (01:31)
Yeah, fraud,
Nick Loudon (01:32)
even though he does have a business.
Corey Haines (01:32)
actual fraudster.
Nick Loudon (01:34)
is it? I don't know. Okay, so he would not count as a founder. Sweet. Okay. So we're feeling good about this founder versus founder fraud.
Corey Haines (01:35)
He's both, but he is an actual fraudster. Like he's had class action lawsuits and all that kind of stuff. Yeah.
Zstvns (01:47)
I'm not gonna get many of them right, but go for it.
Nick Loudon (01:50)
That's
fine. Okay, I have 10 quotes and then if we have extra time, I'll throw out some honorable mentions.
Corey Haines (01:52)
think I'm pretty well versed.
Zstvns (01:57)
Okay, let's go through all of them and then you can keep our scores.
Nick Loudon (02:01)
Okay. Okay, I'll
Corey Haines (02:02)
okay, okay.
Nick Loudon (02:02)
do that.
Corey Haines (02:03)
I was gonna say you have to like attribute who said it afterwards so that we know. Not just that the founder of fraud, but also who it is, because I'm curious. Okay. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Nick Loudon (02:09)
Yeah, yeah, I'll have that. Yeah, yeah, I have that. have that. Don't worry, I got it, dude. Chill out, dude.
He's excited. I knew he'd be excited for this. Okay, the first quote. Do you know what my biggest fear is? Waking up a dinosaur. Founder or fraud?
Corey Haines (02:28)
⁓
I see what he's talking about.
Zstvns (02:33)
That sounds like something Bill Gates would say.
Corey Haines (02:37)
I think it's founder. I think it's legit. I think it might actually be like a Steve Jobs kind of quote. ⁓ Like.
Zstvns (02:41)
I'll say that one's legit too.
Yeah,
Nick Loudon (02:46)
You don't have to get
the founder or the fraud. You just have to get if it's founder or fraud.
Zstvns (02:47)
I can see that.
Corey Haines (02:49)
Yeah, yeah. Found
Zstvns (02:50)
Okay.
Corey Haines (02:52)
her.
Zstvns (02:52)
I would say founder.
Nick Loudon (02:54)
Correct, this is Reed Hastings from Netflix. Okay, so you both get one.
Zstvns (02:57)
Okay,
all right. We're in it. We're we're circling around on that you know Steve Jobs and Bill Gates
Nick Loudon (03:04)
Yeah, you guys are great. That's fantastic. Okay, next one. We are going to elevate the world's consciousness.
Corey Haines (03:15)
I do know this one.
Zstvns (03:17)
Yeah, isn't that... Isn't that Elon? Or... No.
Corey Haines (03:22)
Wait,
the world's consciousness. ⁓ this one's actually really tough. Cause it could be like someone kind of ridiculous, but totally legit who we would all know. Or it could be like the humane founders who are just like totally off the rocker.
Nick Loudon (03:28)
I loved it.
Zstvns (03:37)
Yeah.
Corey Haines (03:43)
Elevate the world's, I'm gonna go with founder. I'm going legit.
Zstvns (03:48)
I will also say founder.
Nick Loudon (03:54)
Hardly not. No, it is founder. Yes. The answer is Adam Newman from WeWork. You guys both got it right. ⁓
Corey Haines (04:00)
yes. Okay,
yeah. I
Zstvns (04:03)
does that count as fraud though?
Corey Haines (04:03)
recognize that quote.
Nick Loudon (04:05)
I
don't know. That one's a gray area, but technically he's listed as a founder. And so I'm going to keep it as a correct answer. Okay, next one. Depression isn't real. You feel sad? Go do some pushups.
Zstvns (04:10)
okay alright
Corey Haines (04:11)
Technically, Technically, yeah.
That's entertaining.
Zstvns (04:22)
Okay, is that
David Coggins or Andrew Tate or Alex Hermosy? It's one of the three.
Nick Loudon (04:28)
Okay,
there's no hermosy on this list. You're both saying fraud. is fraud. It is Andrew Tay. Yes.
Corey Haines (04:30)
Fraud. Fraud.
Zstvns (04:32)
fraud.
Corey Haines (04:35)
I knew it. Yeah. That's one of his greatest quotes of all time. I have it right over here
on the, a poster.
Zstvns (04:42)
I have that tattooed on my left ass cheek
Nick Loudon (04:43)
I had to keep some normal.
Corey Haines (04:47)
Yeah.
Nick Loudon (04:50)
Okay, next one. Okay, ⁓ either I have a few kids or I go full Genghis Khan no in between.
Zstvns (05:02)
That
also sounds like Andrew Tate. ⁓
Corey Haines (05:07)
fraud unquestionably. It's interesting though because he said would so that someone without kids
Nick Loudon (05:09)
Pride.
Zstvns (05:11)
No, this
is a curveball. It's gonna be founder.
Nick Loudon (05:16)
Are those the final answers?
Corey Haines (05:17)
I'm still
going with fraud.
Nick Loudon (05:21)
fraud one fraud one founder okay it is a fraud this is Iman Ghazi whatever you may or may not know him you would recognize his face but he is certainly not a founder ⁓
Zstvns (05:23)
Yeah.
Corey Haines (05:36)
What
is he like known for? What is his shtick?
Nick Loudon (05:39)
I'll to, I'll try to find a picture of him and then I'll send it to you guys so you have some context here.
⁓
copy and then I'm just gonna send this to you guys.
Corey Haines (05:52)
The fact that he doesn't have a child
tells me immediately that he's probably a fraud.
Nick Loudon (05:57)
I just put it in Slack so you guys can see. ⁓
Zstvns (06:00)
But Corey, you don't have a child.
Corey Haines (06:02)
Yeah, but I'm only, I'm 30 years old. Like this guy is probably late thirties to forties and already uber successful. Like there's no reason why you shouldn't have a child.
Zstvns (06:05)
I'm
15th.
Nick Loudon (06:13)
Okay, I put his image in slack so you can see what he looks like and you may or may not recognize him he's like the king of Instagram tick-tock and YouTube short form content like he's like Andrew Tate, but not in prison, I think
Zstvns (06:19)
Take care.
Yeah, I have no idea who
that is.
Corey Haines (06:34)
Never seen him.
Nick Loudon (06:34)
I'll find like
a super cut of his greatest quotes and send it to you guys Okay, so Corey got a point Zach didn't get a point because he thought I was slipping him slipping Giving him the business. Okay next one Bill Gates wants to be me
Corey Haines (06:53)
I know this one too.
Yes, it's a founder. I'm pretty sure it's Elon Musk.
Nick Loudon (06:56)
you
Zstvns (06:58)
I was gonna say, yeah.
Nick Loudon (07:00)
You guys are both going founder.
Zstvns (07:02)
Yeah, specifically if it's Elon Musk, do we get double points?
Nick Loudon (07:06)
No one gets double points for any reason. It is a founder. It is not Elon Musk. This is Larry Ellison from Oracle.
Zstvns (07:09)
Okay.
Good job.
Corey Haines (07:17)
yeah, arrival. ⁓
Nick Loudon (07:19)
They had like a beef for a long time, I think. It's
pretty great. Okay, next one. "I don't read books. I write them with my life."
Corey Haines (07:28)
fraud.
Zstvns (07:31)
fraud.
Nick Loudon (07:33)
It is a fraud. Yeah. Any guesses on who this is?
Corey Haines (07:38)
Grant Cardone.
Zstvns (07:38)
Hi, Lopez.
Nick Loudon (07:40)
Tai Lopez, Grand Cardinal Andrew Tate.
Corey Haines (07:41)
Tyler Lopez
has written, like his whole thing was that he read like thousand books or whatever in his garage.
Zstvns (07:46)
I know, that's why I went down the book
route. ⁓
Nick Loudon (07:48)
He it's Andrew Tate. Sorry. Okay, next one. "You sleep like you're rich. I'm up like I'm broke."
Corey Haines (07:52)
it is gonna do tape. Okay, well.
Bars
Zstvns (08:03)
founder.
Nick Loudon (08:05)
under. ⁓
Corey Haines (08:05)
You
fraud, still fraud.
Nick Loudon (08:08)
You're going fraud. This is Grant Cardone. This is fraud. Good. Good try though. Corey's on,
Corey Haines (08:13)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Tony, got a radar for this.
Nick Loudon (08:21)
Okay, next one. "Absolutely nothing happens unless you make it happen. If you're not doing 100 hours a week, you're not even trying."
Corey Haines (08:31)
I feel like I know this one too.
Zstvns (08:34)
Founder.
Nick Loudon (08:35)
Zach's going founder.
Corey Haines (08:38)
Yeah, it's founder and I think it's Elon.
Nick Loudon (08:44)
Oh yeah, cause he always talks about the like, you know, being in the office and all that stuff. It is not Elon. It is a founder. This is Mark from A16Z. Mark Andreessen You know me, I don't follow the.
Zstvns (08:55)
Mark Andreessen.
Corey Haines (08:58)
⁓ interesting, that must be
an old one.
Zstvns (09:02)
That was before he... Changes my...
Nick Loudon (09:02)
Okay.
Corey Haines (09:05)
before he became
Nick Loudon (09:05)
I don't know.
I don't know. Okay. Next one. I read a book a day. That's why I have a good life.
Corey Haines (09:06)
a VC and it works two hours a day.
Nick Loudon (09:16)
Good day.
Zstvns (09:17)
fraud.
Corey Haines (09:19)
fraud unquestionably. I'm just trying to decide if it's Tai Lopez or Grant Cardone.
It's Tai Lopez, pretty sure. No, yes, I knew it.
Nick Loudon (09:27)
It is Tai Lopez, yeah.
Very good, very good work, Corey.
Zstvns (09:32)
I
a book a day. That's why I have such a good life in a Lamborghini.
Corey Haines (09:41)
And then they.
Yeah, yeah.
Nick Loudon (09:42)
"Public hangings are a teaching moment. Every company has to do them."
Corey Haines (09:47)
⁓ that's a good one.
good quote. Public hangings. That's why every company has to do one.
Zstvns (09:53)
Founder. ⁓
Corey Haines (09:59)
Yeah, I'm gonna go founder. I don't know who it would be, but I'm going founder.
Nick Loudon (10:05)
going founder for both. It is a founder. This is Jack Welsh of General Electric. Corey went 10 for 10. That is crazy. ⁓ Zach got eight, which is also very good. I feel like I would have failed. I have some honorable mentions. Can I just read them to you guys?
Corey Haines (10:12)
Interesting, wow.
Zstvns (10:14)
Wow, all right.
Corey Haines (10:16)
Hahaha
Mm-hmm.
Nick Loudon (10:28)
We have ⁓ Andrew, okay, I'll just tell you what he said and then we'll do guesses for that. If you don't have a Lambo, you should sit down and take notes.
Corey Haines (10:29)
Let me try to guess if there's, Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
That's such a great quote.
Zstvns (10:39)
You
Nick Loudon (10:43)
Okay next one. We're all cyborgs already. Your phone and computer are extensions of you.
Zstvns (10:51)
That's a founder quote.
Corey Haines (10:52)
Mm-hmm,
mm-hmm. That could be Elon trying to push into our link.
Nick Loudon (10:54)
Who is it?
Zstvns (10:56)
That,
yeah, that could be Elon or it might be, it Elon? Okay, I was gonna say the guy who did Ian Spalder, the guy who redesigned Instagram, because he was one of the first people to look at the product he made and been like, God, what have I done?
Nick Loudon (10:59)
It's Elon.
Corey Haines (11:12)
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Nick Loudon (11:16)
Yeah.
Next one, we have this quote, which is an older quote. There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.
Corey Haines (11:28)
Ooh, yeah. ⁓ Hold on. ⁓ Yeah, yeah, yeah, that one's founder and it's, there's no reason. my gosh, who?
Zstvns (11:32)
That's an actual founder quote.
Is it, is it Hewlett Packard or IBM?
Corey Haines (11:44)
Yeah, it's like one
of those, ⁓ no, no, no, not IBM. yeah, wait, in their home. ⁓ you're right. It could be IBM actually, whoever the IBM guy is.
Zstvns (11:48)
IBM? It might be.
I it's IBM.
Nick Loudon (11:56)
It is Ken Olson from Digital Equipment Corp, which I don't know some big old company that before computers were people's houses.
Zstvns (12:05)
I
think that's Dell before... yeah.
Nick Loudon (12:08)
⁓ maybe it is.
Corey Haines (12:08)
Right. Right.
Nick Loudon (12:11)
Yeah. I dropped out of school because billionaires told me to.
Zstvns (12:18)
Yeah.
Nick Loudon (12:18)
These are so good, dude.
Corey Haines (12:18)
It's not Andrew Tate because he
wouldn't do anything that someone just told him to do.
Nick Loudon (12:22)
Heheheheh, wow.
Zstvns (12:23)
Uh-uh.
that zuck it's not Zuckerberg no
Nick Loudon (12:29)
now.
Corey Haines (12:29)
Evan
Spiegel maybe? No.
Nick Loudon (12:32)
No, it's
Iman Ghazi, the guy I sent you. Yeah, yeah, sorry, you don't know him. Sorry, these are my honorable mentions. These are good quotes, okay? Next, "the IRS is your business partner, whether you like it or not. The difference is I know how to make them pay you."
Zstvns (12:34)
I was gonna say that some... Yeah. I don't even know who that is.
Corey Haines (12:35)
yeah, it's the fraudster.
Zstvns (12:44)
All
That's a great Cardone quote, right?
Corey Haines (12:53)
⁓ damn.
Nick Loudon (12:56)
It's not Greg Cardone. No, I don't think
Corey Haines (12:57)
Yeah.
Nick Loudon (12:59)
you know this guy. He's a fraudster, but his name's Carlton Dennis. And he basically has all these videos on TikTok and stuff of basically being like, yeah, I write off all this stuff and it's free and then it cuts to some actual tax lady who's like, so you can't do that, you'll get arrested. And she's correcting him. Yeah, it's pretty great. ⁓
Corey Haines (13:05)
⁓ I know him.
You
too good.
Zstvns (13:23)
We gotta tell our
CPA to watch his stuff. Like, hey, you heard of this?
Corey Haines (13:26)
Yeah.
Nick Loudon (13:26)
Yeah.
Yeah. There's so many good ones in here. Grant Cardone. I'd rather you hate me and get rich than like me and stay broke. He also said money follows attention. If you can get attention, can't get paid. Or if you can't get attention, you can't get paid. Kind of true. ⁓ I don't know. There's some good ones in here. But I hope you guys enjoyed this installment. How was the quiz? How are you guys feeling? Post game interview.
Corey Haines (13:55)
Oh man, I mean 10 out of 10, what can I say? 10 out of 10 experience.
Nick Loudon (13:58)
You
Zstvns (13:58)
I gotta start letting
my fraud quotes rip so that I can be on Nick's list for today.
Nick Loudon (14:07)
Yeah. On the list.
Corey Haines (14:11)
I have to say that
some of those were just like absolute bars. Just, you know how like love them or hate them, Donald Trump is like one of the funniest people in the world. I think the exact same thing about Andrew Tate. He's just, the things he says are just unquestionably incredible.
Nick Loudon (14:28)
Yeah, it doesn't matter if they're completely false or not. You must like the things he says. You know what saying?
Corey Haines (14:34)
Yeah, it's insane. It's
so funny.
Nick Loudon (14:39)
I need a super cut of like all the greatest guru quotes. So good. Well, I'm glad you guys liked it.
Zstvns (14:45)
I don't think
I paid attention enough. That's what that showed me.
Nick Loudon (14:50)
You should, yeah, you should poison
Corey Haines (14:50)
Mm-hmm.
Nick Loudon (14:51)
your brain more. That's really what you're missing.
Corey Haines (14:53)
because you're not on Instagram.
Zstvns (14:55)
That's also very true. I'm on LinkedIn. I'm on LinkedIn a lot.
Corey Haines (14:57)
or LinkedIn really.
certain circles, you know,
Nick Loudon (15:01)
Follow him on LinkedIn.
Zstvns (15:03)
I just curate myself so that I'm not exposed to garbage.
Corey Haines (15:05)
Yeah.
you're immune to the algo.
Zstvns (15:10)
Yeah, that's cool. I'm going to make a t-shirt that says that immune to the algo algo algo algo amino compromised.
Nick Loudon (15:11)
Yeah. ⁓
See you on the internet.
Corey Haines (15:21)
You
Nick Loudon (15:23)
Stupid. Okay, thanks for joining us on The Break Room. We will see you next time. Goodbye.