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Mick Unplugged is a thought-provoking and inspiring podcast that invites listeners to embark on a transformative journey beyond the conventional concept of 'Why' and into the empowering realm of 'Because.' Hosted by the engaging and insightful Mick Hunt, this podcast is perfect for those who are not just dreamers but doers, leaders, and anyone aspiring to make a significant impact in their personal and professional lives.
Each episode of "Mick Unplugged" delves deep into how understanding and embracing your 'Because' – your core driving force – can turn aspirations into actions and dreams into realities. Listeners can expect to gain practical advice on how to identify their own 'Because,' learn to make it a daily focus, and understand how it can fuel their journey towards success and fulfillment.
Whether you're looking to find deeper motivation, set meaningful goals, or simply seeking inspiration to overcome challenges, "Mick Unplugged" offers valuable insights and tools to help you on your path.
Are you ready to change your habits, sculpt your destiny, and light up your path to greatness? Welcome to the epicenter of transformation. This is Mick Unplugged. We'll help you identify your because so you can create a routine that's not just productive, but powerful. You'll embrace the art of evolution, adapt strategies to stay ahead of the game, and take a step toward the extraordinary.
Intro:So let's unleash your potential. Now here's Mick.
Mick Hunt:Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of the Mick Unplugged podcast where we delve beyond the surface of why to uncover the profound because that fuels our quest and defines our legacies. Today, we're honored to host a remarkable individual whose life is a testament of adaptation and resiliency. From catching passes on the football fields of the NFL to navigating new challenges beyond the grid iron, he embodies the spirit of transformation and tenacity. His journey from all American tight end at East Carolina University to a life of impactful leadership off the field is nothing short of inspiring. Get ready to be moved.
Mick Hunt:Get ready to be motivated by my friend, Karl Lester Crumple junior. Karl Lester, how are you doing, brother?
Carlester Crumpler:Doing well, Mick. And yourself? Thanks for having me on.
Mick Hunt:I'm doing great. Man, this is crazy. Right? So, you know, your younger brother, Algy, is one of my really good friends. I met you when I was at Carolina, and I can say this now, and I mean this from my soul.
Mick Hunt:The first time I saw you, I didn't know a human being could be as big and powerful as Carl Lester.
Carlester Crumpler:I don't know about powerful. I I remembered working out with you guys. I think my brother was a freshman. Dre Dre Bly was there, and I was just kinda doing some laps with you guys. And he said, come on, old man.
Carlester Crumpler:I was just kinda like taking it easy on you guys. And then, decided I would I would turn turn it up just a little bit. You know, it's amazing to see how, a lot of the guys that were on the teams that my my brother played with, how they transitioned once they left Carolina and, you know, played in the NFL and done other great things, both personally and professionally. So, definitely inspiration.
Mick Hunt:You were that for me. And I again, I mean that for my soul, man. You've been an inspiration. You were someone I looked up to when I was in college, you know, listening to you and Algy talk after some of your games and how you're inspiring him, not in football, but just in life to keep going and to always prepare yourself to be the best version of yourself. Those are things that stuck with me.
Mick Hunt:So I wanted to personally tell you thank you for for those conversations, man.
Carlester Crumpler:Well, I I definitely appreciate that. We we've had some big shoes to fill, you know, footsteps to follow in my dad and the things that he did athletically and just in life in general. But, it's interesting how, you know, a lot of our conversations rarely have ever been about football. This is really have been about life, the responsibilities that we have to to show up as men, as husbands, as fathers, as leaders, as servants. And, I think a lot of that just really goes back to the roots that start, you know, with with our parents, but it even goes, you know, far back to our grandparents as well.
Mick Hunt:I love it. You know, on our podcast, we talk about looking deeper than why. Like, I love Simon Sinek's start with why, but I think your because is kinda what fuels us. Right? Like we almost always can identify someone's why, but it's that because it's that driving force that really separates, I'm gonna say, the good from the great and the great from the elite.
Mick Hunt:For you, what is your because or what what's one of your becauses that's fueled you to dedicate your life both on and off the field?
Carlester Crumpler:Yeah. You know, and I appreciate that question, and and I I I love that shift, to take things a little bit deeper beyond beyond just the why. And I think when you get beyond the why into that because, it it really opens you up, not not for honesty and transparency, but actually vulnerability. Right? And there's risk associated with that and and and and allowing people into that space of what drives you and motivates you.
Carlester Crumpler:But, you know, I always kinda felt like like football was gonna be a part of my life. I didn't and it wouldn't wasn't expiring to be a pro football player, but just love the idea of competing and being with my friends. Right? You know, just that competitive drive was forced, you know, in my my early years and, you know, the pickup ball that you play, you know, with your with the other neighborhoods. Right.
Carlester Crumpler:And, you know, you go home with the with the scrapes and you cry a little bit, maybe even got ridicule, you know, some, but I just grew up with such a distinct name that was just, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't Rodney, wasn't Michael, You know? Was it Adam? It was Carl Lester. And, typically, when people said my name, they would stop because of, you know, I'm named after my father. Right?
Carlester Crumpler:And, you know, I think in many ways, just what he represented was greatness in so many different things. And and so for me, it's just really about that drive to to live a purposeful and meaningful life, a life that actually means something. And it's just interesting that, you know, several years ago, I had an opportunity to do a exercise of, you know, what did Stephen Covey say? The second half. It began with the end in mind.
Carlester Crumpler:Right? And the and the exercise is to to write your own obituary. And, you know, I started writing my my obituary with a group of guys, and we were going through this exercise. And when I went back and looked at what I wrote, there wasn't much about football there. It was about the impact and in on people within my domain, my family, my spouse, my children, my siblings, my niece, you know, my my nieces and nephews, but then also the people that I've been fortunate to come across or the people that have come across my path over the years.
Mick Hunt:That's amazing. And I went through that exercise as well, so I know exactly what you're talking about. And when it was over, I always just ask myself, well, what's one thing I fear. Cause I always felt like I never feared anything. Right.
Mick Hunt:But after completing that exercise, what I realized I feared was I don't wanna pass and meet the person I was supposed to be. Since that moment, that's been a driving factor for me. Right? Like and and I know you're very spiritual as well. Does that resonate with you at all?
Mick Hunt:Right? It's like when you pass, like, what if you met the person you were supposed to be? And and that that's what pushes me forward every day is to to be that better version because I don't wanna meet the person I was supposed to be.
Carlester Crumpler:Yeah. Well, yeah, that's the you know, one of the things that, me and my brothers were all going through right now and have been over the past, you know, 5 month 5 months now or 4 4 or 5 months now is just grieving the loss of our mom. I had to write her obituary. 1st draft took me 6 hours, 6 hours. And I I spoke about that, at her funeral.
Carlester Crumpler:I just said, you know, to the elders in the room, I said, do your children a favor and at least write something down on paper, you know, just so, cause that was a task because it's like, you know, how do you, how do you honor the life and legacy of someone who has not only given and poured out so much of herself to her family, but so many other people. When we talk about legacy and impact and influence, you know, my mom's life example, it took on a new meaning for me. And I've grown to a I always love my I've always loved my mom, but and and appreciated what she's done, but I can see where there are some aspects of what she brought and gave that I did not value or appreciate as much. And there's there's lessons that I'm learning today, and and I'm getting it in a way that's really driving me and motivating me in a way that's just different than anything that that has ever driven or motivated me, you know, in in my life because what I what I shared, you know, at at at her her, homegoing service was, my mother was rich in relationships.
Carlester Crumpler:That was her currency. That was her currency. And, you know, there were some guys that you played ball with, you know, my brother did, and they came and visited in Charlotte and in Wilson. I mean, you could just see it on their faces. And it's just like, I didn't know my mom still stayed in contact with a lot of these guys, you know, through text, through email, through voice mail, you know, and everything.
Carlester Crumpler:And she was a big encourager.
Mick Hunt:She was a mom to me.
Carlester Crumpler:Right? I mean, that's who she became known as, and she loved that role, but that role was just who she was. She wasn't trying to do anything. She was just being the fullness of who God had made her to be.
Mick Hunt:That's right. So you've talked about learning some things about yourself since that moment. What are some of the things that you've learned about you in the last 4, 4 and a half months?
Carlester Crumpler:Well, I, I am my mother's son, you know, in, in many ways, but, you know, I've been so driven, you know, big into performing. I think so much about the life of an athlete, and even someone in sales is about performance based acceptance. Right? And that's just something that I've really been challenged by over the years because I just feel like I have to do do do do do. Didn't really know or understand what it meant to just be.
Carlester Crumpler:Right? That that's just different. And, you know, my brother and I had a had a conversation the week that we were trying to get my mom's affair squared away. And, you know, my brother can be pretty tenacious and spirited, but I don't think he's ever seen me as locked in as I was that that week. I mean, even he said that I had done more than enough.
Carlester Crumpler:And, you know, I kinda get emotional when I when I think about it because it was a powerful conversation that just between 2 brothers who love each other, you know, dearly, but we I don't think we've ever had that kind of dialogue with one another. And I just said, look. I just wanna honor mom's life and legacy and make sure that we send her off the right way. And he was just like, you know what? You've done more than enough.
Carlester Crumpler:But the thing that that really sparked that conversation was, Mick, that we went to visit my dad briefly before we we went to the funeral home. And my dad just looks at me, and I'm exhausted. Right? I'm just exhausted, and mentally and emotionally, just exhausted. And he looks at me, and my dad's never called me a name in in my life, and he called me a bulldog.
Carlester Crumpler:And I'm just looking at him, like, just so perplexed, like, what, you know, what is like, what is, and he looks at me and he goes, you just powering this thing on through ain't you? And I go, yeah, yeah. That's who I am. I just power things on through. I'll put the team on my back.
Carlester Crumpler:I'll do whatever's going to take to just put us in the best position to to win or achieve the outcomes and results. But what I realized after my dad said that, or at least several hours later and in the conversation with my dad, there's a level where it could just go a little bit too far and be a little bit too much to where it's taking a toll where you're paying a price that's not worth it to pay. Shortly after that, about a week or two later, and this is, this has just been like just where I am and what I'm processing. You know, I heard this guy say presence is more important than performance. And I just chewed on that.
Carlester Crumpler:You know? And then I went to a men's retreat, and, you know, it was a spiritual retreat. Me and, you know, learn how to to grow and mature as far as our leadership and our service, you know, to our family within our faith and community. And the question was, what's God saying to you? You know, I went for a walk for a couple of hours, came back, and I'm like, man, I didn't hear a thing.
Carlester Crumpler:But then I sit down and we're getting ready to get started and it all came. And what I was hearing God say to me, he reminded me that presence is more important than performance. You no longer need to perform or do. I want you to rest, trust, and be. And so I chewed on that, but I didn't know what to do with it.
Carlester Crumpler:And over the over a series of weeks, it all came together to where presence is more important than performance. No longer need to perform or do, but I want you to rest in God's love for you. I want you to trust God for your life and for the direction of your life. And I want you to be present, be still, be yourself, be strong, and be courageous.
Mick Hunt:I'm getting touched right now, man. Like, this is like, I think I actually needed that message. Oh. I I needed that message. Forget podcasts and all that.
Mick Hunt:Like, I needed that message today. Awesome. I'm I'm getting emotional. Like, I I needed to hear everything that you just said.
Carlester Crumpler:So why why did you need to hear it?
Mick Hunt:You know, so much in an amazing way is happening in my life. Right? Like, you know, I'm, I'm doing a lot with Les Brown. Who's one of my personal mentors. So doing speaking engagements.
Mick Hunt:We're working on an executive leadership mastermind. My consulting business, it's you're in the financial space. Right? So it's conference season.
Carlester Crumpler:Right?
Mick Hunt:So it's ton of travel, but in the back of my mind every day, it's, I still have to be present for those that need me. Right? Because the travel, the late night conversations, the, the working 13, 14 hours a day, there's still people that need me. I have to be present, not for me, but for those that are sitting on my shoulders right now. And I needed, like, everything that you just said, especially the last part, just be.
Mick Hunt:Like, I I needed all of that. My mom's gonna call me in a minute and and yell at me too because she's been calling me, like, every day. And I'm like, alright, my mom, I'll call you back in the morning. I'll call you no. She's about to yell at me.
Mick Hunt:So this this for you, mama. Promise.
Carlester Crumpler:Well, I tell you what, and and just speaking of your mom, like, I'm in sales business development.
Mick Hunt:Mhmm.
Carlester Crumpler:And, you know, 2 years ago, 2022, you know, I had a career year and, you know, felt really good about my performance, my leadership, how I serve, the impact, the influence, and even the recognition was good. But then last year, elevated the performance where it was 6 x what it was in 2022.
Intro:Good.
Carlester Crumpler:6 x.
Mick Hunt:Okay.
Carlester Crumpler:And I was doing what I do, what I've been gifted to do. Mhmm. Like, I didn't I didn't feel like I was acting outside of myself.
Mick Hunt:Mhmm.
Carlester Crumpler:I was learning. I was growing. I was being challenged, leading, serving. You know, it wasn't all about me, but that whole mindset of I need to carry the team. I need to shoulder the load, and I paid a price.
Carlester Crumpler:I didn't make time for my family the way that they needed from me, and I needed them. And so here it is, you know, Mick. The week of Thanksgiving was the first time I had taken time off from work since June. Okay. And that was way too long.
Mick Hunt:Mhmm.
Carlester Crumpler:And I was exhausted to the point where I didn't wanna go anywhere. I didn't wanna do anything. I didn't even wanna go grocery shopping for Thanksgiving. And speaking of moms, my mom, she was kinda like having some health challenges, and she sent a text and said that she wasn't gonna be able to come to Atlanta. Just she didn't feel like she could make that drive.
Carlester Crumpler:And my wife, you know, had mentioned the idea of potentially going to just to Charlotte to visit my mom and just spend you know, just take Thanksgiving to her. But I was just so exhausted. It was just like just couldn't really do it. And then a week and a half later after Thanksgiving, my mom passes away. Yeah.
Carlester Crumpler:You know? I've missed out on an opportunity. I fortunately was able to to talk to my mom, you know, a day and a half before she passed. My brother was with her, you know, different challenge in and of itself. But just the way things played itself out, you know, I just I have a greater appreciation for, like, making the most of the opportunities that are right in front of you.
Mick Hunt:Mhmm.
Carlester Crumpler:Right? And not allowing myself to be too busy for the people that really, really, really matter in my life, especially people that I know are for me.
Mick Hunt:Amen. You're turning the tables on me. Like, all of this is is the message that I've needed to hear, man. Like, you know, recently married. And my wife who I've known for a while, but she knows the work ethic.
Mick Hunt:Right? She knows the grind. And it's a certain thing that you can't kinda turn off. And you you have to take a step back to realize, like, yeah, there's multiple things that I have to be able to do. And there's people that need all of me.
Mick Hunt:And it's just one of me. Right. I know you totally get that, but I needed this today. Like, I have to take time for those that matter. So this is it's personal.
Mick Hunt:So for everybody that's listening that's that's in my circle, Carl Lester's making me take the time.
Carlester Crumpler:You know, we talked about the because I have a purpose statement that I'm still chewing on as far as what does that look like lived out. But the thing that I may be realizing more and more when I have, you know, the conversations with different people is maybe I'm living out my purpose and my calling, but haven't fully recognized it as such. And so my my purpose statement is to encourage, equip, and empower people to take ownership of their lives and maximize their god given potential in order to win back their communities, families, and their personal lives. And a shortened version of it is to encourage and encourage, equip, and empower people to wholeness. But being a man of faith, like, just to cut to the chase, no one can become whole apart from Christ.
Mick Hunt:That's true.
Carlester Crumpler:He has to be the center of. He just can't be a part of. Right. He has to be the center of you know, when you look at people that have things that we think we want or aspire to have or achieve, but then when you see or hear about the insecurity or just the manner in which they operate and how they treat people and talk about people, and you think about who you are and who you and what you wanna represent, it's like, I don't think I really want want that. Right?
Carlester Crumpler:Right. But the thing is, like, in order to transform our families, in order for our families to transform our communities and for our communities to be transformed, it all starts with us. It's not about us pointing the finger to somebody else who will look at what they do. And if they no. We need to make those decisions for ourselves.
Carlester Crumpler:And in many ways, we aren't good enough to save ourselves. We try. Right? You know? And we seek to achieve, and I've accomplished a whole lot of things, but I was just like, man, there's something about fulfillment.
Carlester Crumpler:I had someone ask me, you know, if we're not living to be happy, like, well, what are we living for? And I said, well, don't you think there's other things to live for beyond just being happy? And they thought about it, and I was amongst some colleagues and they were really chewing on it. And it's like, well, what's above happiness? And how about joy and fulfillment?
Mick Hunt:That's right.
Carlester Crumpler:Like that's another level.
Mick Hunt:Correct.
Carlester Crumpler:Joy and fulfillment is in spite of my circumstances.
Mick Hunt:Mhmm.
Carlester Crumpler:Right? And so here it is when I look at the work that you're doing and the impact and the influence that you're having and the people that are within your domain. God has gifted you. You know? He's given you the ability to not only make wealth, but also the ability to lead and serve in a way that has transformative impact and influence on people.
Carlester Crumpler:You're not motivating people. Like, you're transforming people's lives, you know, beginning with their hearts and their minds based on the work that you're doing. And so that's what I really get excited about every time I get a chance to to listen to, you know, a a a podcast. And I'm jealous and envious that you get a chance to spend time with Les Brown.
Mick Hunt:Oh, well, we can make this happen. You know, he lives in your area, so we can totally make this happen. Awesome. Another thing, and I I was writing this down. Carl Lester needs a podcast too because things that you're saying to me, I know I needed to hear this today, and I know there are listeners on this line now that are like, oh, that's what I needed.
Mick Hunt:That's what I needed. It is so powerful. It's so moving. And I said in the beginning, we're going to get motivated and moved because I know how you bring it in. You're like, we need more of you in our lives.
Mick Hunt:And I mean, I really mean that.
Carlester Crumpler:So Thank you.
Mick Hunt:You know, I mean, you've you've hit on so much that that I kinda wanna unpack, but I also know we don't have a ton of time, but you've done something that a lot of professional athletes struggle with, right, which is making the transition from professional athlete to successful. I don't even wanna call it businessman, just a successful person outside of sport. Right? What was that journey like for you? Because you did it, but I guarantee it wasn't easy day 1, year 1.
Mick Hunt:Right? Like, you just had to redefine or refine your because.
Carlester Crumpler:That was hard. And I was listening to the podcast with with Marcus Ogden.
Mick Hunt:Mhmm. You
Carlester Crumpler:know? And he talked about, you know, having been married and divorced. Well, you know, here it is when I was my football career ended. I ended up going through a divorce.
Mick Hunt:Mhmm.
Carlester Crumpler:And it's not something that I've talked a lot about, but it really had a really big impact on me. And I felt like I had a scarlet letter on my forehead, you know, a big d on my forehead because it's not something I ever envisioned for. And my parents divorced when I was in in college, and I just know the impact that they had on me. And I just didn't want, you know, that to be a part of my life. And so that transition, you know, my NFL career ended in the fall of 2000 or training camp of 2000.
Carlester Crumpler:The dotcom bubble burst. I'm going through a divorce. I'm having multiple knee surgeries. I'm needing to figure out, you know, what to to do next, you know, career wise, and figure out how I need to go about reinventing myself. And it was a it was a process, and it took a lot of time, and I got a lot of help.
Carlester Crumpler:And I ultimately went back to North Carolina, went back to ECU, and got my MBA. And that was an opportunity for me to press reset and get the love and support of family and friends because I felt like I had gotten beaten up, chewed up, spit out. But it led me down a path to where I had just followed in my father's footsteps by playing in NFL. Then I transitioned to following in my mother's foot steps by going into banking. And, and so I you know, it's a long story.
Carlester Crumpler:So probably another another discussion, or maybe I can talk it on my own podcast. But you know, that transition, you know, it was hard. I, I got a lot of help. I needed to ask for help, but it's just been a journey. And, you know, I've been learning, you know, new things every step of the way.
Carlester Crumpler:I've been learning more about myself. I've been learning more about, you know, who and what I'm I'm made of, and here it is. If I, you know, had to to use one word to sum up my life, it will be overcomer Because because nothing's been handed to me. I've had to earn it every every single bit of it, but here it is, and it's interesting. Chris Webber's got this new book that's that's coming out, and I was listening to an interview couple of days ago, and he was talking about his book.
Carlester Crumpler:But the thing I'm most grateful for in in in life, Nick, is God's grace.
Mick Hunt:That's right.
Carlester Crumpler:And because God's grace is his unmerited favor. And the life that I have, the family that I have today, the wife and the 3 kids, I don't deserve any of it, but God has been willing to be gracious and merciful for me, and he reminds me that he has a great purpose and plan for me that he wants me to carry out. It's just a matter of me, you know, responding to that that call on a day to day basis.
Mick Hunt:There you go. Well, I will tell you, you do deserve it because God doesn't give us anything that we don't deserve. So you definitely deserve it, brother, for sure.
Carlester Crumpler:Thank you.
Mick Hunt:Alright. So let's get the people out of here on this. What's 2 or 3 things that people can do right now to truly transform their life, whether they're former athletes trying to find that new thing or maybe they're stuck in their business career, and it's like, I don't know where to go or what to do next. What are 2 or 3 peaks of wisdom from Carl Ester Crumpler junior for the for the audience?
Carlester Crumpler:Yeah. Well, for me, my wisdom, my advice, my my account counsel, and I just recognize that in so many ways, we're all prideful people. But here it is, You know? Being a man of faith, there's a scripture that says, god as opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble. And I think to actually get God on your side and not be in opposition to you, everything begins with humility.
Carlester Crumpler:So, you know, every day, you know, I I make declarations and prayers that center around submission and surrendering my will for God's will. And then, you know, allowing myself to be coachable and teachable. Like, that's something that's critically important. So humility, being coachable and teachable. And then there's no substitute for doing the work.
Carlester Crumpler:Right? There's no such thing as a handout that's gonna empower you. And the reason why my my purpose statement has more to do with empowering, it doesn't say enable. It says empower. And when you're empowered, you're able to take something and carry it forward.
Carlester Crumpler:But if you're wise, you see not only responsibility, but also the opportunity to bring others along in the process. Because at the end of the day, it's not about you.
Mick Hunt:Right.
Carlester Crumpler:It's not about it's not about me. And I haven't made all the right decisions. Right? I have made plenty of mistakes. I have made plenty of dumb, poor, stupid decisions.
Carlester Crumpler:Let's just call it what it is. Right. Right? But for some reason, God has been willing to be gracious and merciful to me. And when I think about the grace that's been extended to me and what I have today, everything that I do in response to that understanding is just being done out of gratitude.
Carlester Crumpler:You know, the the whole posture of gratitude. And then, you know, the last thing is, you know, whatever you do, do your work as if you're doing it for the Lord. And that in and of itself is about bringing an attitude and effort that exemplifies excellence. So I encourage my kids to do your best and finish. Mhmm.
Carlester Crumpler:And I encourage my kids to be great today in your attitude and your effort. But here it is. While those are messages that I communicate and convey to my children, they're also messages that I communicate and convey to myself.
Mick Hunt:To yourself.
Carlester Crumpler:Because I need to be the model. I need to be the example. And one of the biggest things I abhor is being called a hypocrite. Like, that is something that I do not. Like, that's offensive to me.
Carlester Crumpler:It's for me to not be a representation of the things that I say or that I encourage other people to do.
Mick Hunt:I love it. So many drops of wisdom on this episode. You better start your old podcast. The world needs this. The world needs this.
Mick Hunt:Or we're gonna co do a podcast together or something, but the the world needs this. I promise you. I've been so touched personally by our conversation today that I'm leaving this episode a better man and a better human being because of your inspiration today.
Carlester Crumpler:That's awesome.
Mick Hunt:And I mean that.
Carlester Crumpler:That's awesome. Thank you.
Mick Hunt:I appreciate you for coming on. And for everyone listening, remember, your because is your superpower. Go unleash it.
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