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SimmBros Pod is your playbook for winning in your 20s. Join the Simmons' brothers, Chris and Cam, as they break down exercise, nutrition, finance, sports, and life lessons — giving you real strategies to build success, one step at a time.
Chris (00:24)
And welcome.
to the Simbros. We're back. mean, couldn't be more back today. Episode 15. 15. 15. It's a lot. I'm Chris. I'm Cam. And together, we're the Simbros. We're here to help you win your 20s. And people, yes, yes, we are still alive, especially me. We just completed our half marathon last weekend. How did it go? crazy, crazy experience. Honestly, different experience than I've ever had. I've run a couple. Yeah, just because.
The weather, it's just, was a lot of dings. It also started way early at, so it's a long, we'll get into it. It was definitely a crazy experience and one of the most unique half marathon experiences I've gone through. But as your first one, what's sort of your thoughts? So many thoughts, too many thoughts. Extremely high level, still corporate. It was tough, it was tough. I pushed myself harder than...
I've pushed myself in any other situation in my life. I said immediately after, at least in my head, I don't know if I said it out loud, I don't even know what happened, but I said that was the hardest thing I've ever done in my entire I think you said it once, you said it, I did hear 100%, 100%. I mean, looking back, it doesn't seem that bad, but in that moment, no question about it, man. Yeah. I mean, you can't ever mimic it. That's why you love race day and whatever. You can run 11 miles by yourself, but...
It just, you know, when you have to complete it and you can't really, you don't want to stop. We didn't stop running the whole time. We ran the whole time. No, anything. No, and there was a lot of people walking. A lot of people walking. A lot of people splayed out on the sides. That's what I told you. was going to happen. people just, they start falling like flies. But the only reason why you couldn't really do it this time is because like you're on the Golden Gate Bridge. There's no really place to. It was rough, man. To go. Yeah. People walking on the Golden Gate Bridge and you're trying to run to get a good time. Yeah. It's tough combo. Yeah.
That was high level, so let's probably go into all of it. But before, would you do another half? Would you do a full? Would you do an ultra? How are you feeling about the whole running thing? Because usually what happens is people do one, and then they're like, I want to do another one. That's how I felt. I can tell you right now, I'm not doing an ultra for H. I don't think If we're talking about a long time, a very, very, very long time. And a lot has to change in the meantime. Ultra marathoners are...
⁓ different breed we saw them on the the we saw them we had posted about Andy Glaze and that kind of went viral just because people understand that this guy's different built different Andy Glaze is ultra marathon he runs at least 100 miles a week he's run different hundred mile races 200 300 mile races races takes days hundred miles he loses like 20 pounds how long even like driving a hundred miles still takes a while my god driving 200 miles it's like it's not like ⁓ we're still a drop that's that's a significant running you're running that
Think about on foot 70 miles an hour. That's three hours. If you're yeah, and that's if you're cooking. Yeah Wow, unbelievable. Anyway, yeah, let's get into it. Let's dive in answer. Would you do it or not? Oh, yes, I did actually I would do a marathon I would I would also do another half clip that clip that yeah clip it I guess whatever I would do a marathon I want to do a marathon I just I know I need to work on my zone too in the meantime, I think you could also like
There's two ways you can think about it. You can do a marathon, which is more long distance. You can also try to do a 10K or something for actual time. hit that at like six something It's crazy. Those are really different goals. No, no, I know. And people will say that sometimes those 10Ks are actually harder than the marathons because you're running way harder. People always said the hardest distance was the 1,600, I believe. Yeah, which is one mile. was 800. 800 is half a mile. Yeah, the 800 was the hardest because you're full sprint the whole time. have to be. And it's for so long.
Yeah, it's not like it's 400, which is like one lap. is two laps. Two laps. No, and you've got to be sprinting the whole time. Basically on the same speed. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know. I mean, we'll see. We'll run a marathon. I don't know. Not the SF one, because it's just too much. At least, not for time. a lot of words to talk about the SF marathon. First of all, San Francisco, you just got to be better. Oof. We'll get into that. yeah.
⁓ Let's start from the beginning. Yeah, no, should know. Start from all the way in beginning. I don't know how far you want to go. You want to do from the shakeout run or from the night before? yeah, I was thinking night before, but shakeout run is actually probably good. Let's start the shakeout run. So I get back. Yeah. Yeah. On Saturday, the run was on Sunday. So on Saturday, Chris gets back from the gym, I believe, or hooping, basketball.
We went for a ShakeOut run. were trying to figure out what the pace A is going to look like, what our signals are going to be. I still don't think you got my signals towards the No, I was just going. When I did this, sometimes I also do this because I'm listening to music. Yeah, I don't know exactly. You're saying do this, people are listening. Oh, yeah. Like putting my hand in another one kind of motion. Yeah, like keep going. Keep going. Sometimes I'm listening to music and they're like, and I want to know the word, or whatever. And then I'll just do it.
That was our signal for him to speed up. Yeah. Let's back this up. we were the ShakeOut run. So what we were trying to do this whole time was that I was going to be pacing you. Yes. Right. Making sure you stayed on pace. So that's where the whole I'm running a little bit in front. Right. Just to make sure that you are staying on the pace we want to be at. Right. So that was how we started. getting memories. Yeah. That was how so but we never we honestly had never run before ever. Ever.
So it was good that we did this shakeout run just to understand how this would work. 100%. So yeah, we did a shakeout And we were running the shakeout run at about 930. And you were already telling me I was going too fast. Yes, 930 pace. I was like, I know I've practiced these runs before. If I go out anything faster than 930, I know I have no more gas after like mile six or mile seven. And so I was like, got to start slow, then maybe speed up towards it. And he was like,
No, you'll be fine. You'll be fine. You'll be fine. I telling you that race day, it's just different. You will never know it until you do it, but now you understand. Yeah, I do. That it's just different. I already said we were going to be running faster than 930. He's like, well, no, no. I already knew because of the hills. You just have the adrenaline, and it just doesn't matter. You just are running faster just for no reason. And everybody's telling us that the hills are bad. I'm like, OK. Yeah, they're just hills. Whatever. So we're just thinking about it. sucks, but whatever. We do the ShakeOut run.
Alright, done. Yeah, ShakeOut Run was cool. We're good. Night comes, eat heavy carbs, which is great. Also, I don't know you know Mike from work. He said he was going for 700 grams of carbs for the last week. 700 grams. Like all together, obviously. All together. Yeah, exactly. That's unbelievable. If you're really carb loading, if you're really doing it, you do it the whole week. Yeah, the whole week he was doing it.
Like 700 a day for Oh a day? thought it 700 for the week! No, no, 500. He said he had to stop. Wow, yeah. mean... But no, he's in very good shape, so like, I trust Mike. No, of course! And isn't he running, he's the one running 100 miles, right? No, sorry, 50? No, that's 10 or whatever. Shout out Mike, both of them. They're cool guys. Anyway, so that night we're both...
We know we have an early wake up. just didn't want to do it at all. I was so I set my alarm for 430 a.m. What time did you set your alarm for? Like 450. was just like, I was just 450. We were talking about it all night as we were like, dude, I don't want to do And we're going to bed at like midnight. Oh, yeah. I would have been at like 1230. It was just not. Oh, it was so bad. It was so bad. Like this one again, all the races I've done have started promptly around like 8 a.m. Right. Like 630 start is crazy. Absolutely.
Absolutely. mean, like you can't, you can't start that early. And it was even earlier for the full marathon. Five 15. And then for the ultra was 10 15 PM the day before, which is crazy. Shout out Ethan, by the way. Yeah. He'll listen to this. He said he wants to be on the pod soon. He do ultra. And he finished third in his age group under or he averaged around eight minutes per mile or like 803 or maybe even under eight for 52. That's unbelievable. You'll be able to, it's insane. Like I can't even fathom.
I can't, I could never, could never, insane. But, so, you wake up. Yeah, wake up, it was terrible. the funny part is, that I was just like, the difference. You didn't care! The difference, yeah. You just didn't care, which I think you didn't care too much, honestly. Just, like, when it came to the run, like you cared, I actually was doing the run, but the pre, you didn't care, you forgot this, you forgot that. I lost my sunglasses. Yeah, yeah, lost the sunglasses, forgot his bib for a second, which would have been really bad. It's actually not, it wouldn't have been that bad, I just would lost my time.
But yeah, I would have got no pictures, but yeah, fair. They don't let you run though. No, you should. I think, I don't know. I think it's only NYC where they actually kick them But I'm not sure. Okay. Yeah. They wouldn't have been like, no, you can't run. Unless it's like that sanctioned, I'm not sure if it's that sanctioned. Yeah. I mean, you never know. Anyway. ⁓ So in morning you forgot your bib. You had a piece of sourdough toast. You brought a water, but no electrolytes. I knew I didn't even want the water, but I took it anyway. I was just, listen, I was frazzled.
And I'm just going to say what I'm going to say, that this is just another day for me. This was a race for him. So I was just like, I definitely didn't lock in like I was if I was running a marathon and all that stuff. So I definitely didn't do my best that way. But it's fine. It was your race. And this is what we were here to make your first race be the best race possible. I guess that's true. That was my point. I was the support system. Anyway, that is true. Had a bagel. I couldn't even eat it, man. First of all, I was on no sleep. Plus, I was nervous.
This is a bad combo. like, that no bagel just popped a goo right before we get some stretching done, we get some videos in, and then we get to the starting line, man. Yeah. Well, first you were telling me I had to go to the bathroom and you didn't know that. Oh, right. He thought the race started promptly at 6.30 and anyone who's run a race before, again, that's a total honest mistake. Yeah, 100%. But anyone who's run a race before knows that like it only starts when you start. Like you can start at any time.
Like the first corral might start at 6.30, but like you can just go past. I guess it doesn't. Whenever you want. Like it's not like, oh my God, we're going to start the marathon clock now. And if you don't start at 6.30, like that's going to be negative against your time. Your bib has like lasers in it. That's what I thought. And it's able to keep track of your time that way. So I had to go to bathroom. You did too. Might as well just get it done. And then we were off. It was again, we were off. And you know, when you start off on a
Any race, right? It's very congested. So I actually it was so good. in a point where I almost slipped like two minutes. It was very funny. And everyone was like, whoa, I needed that laugh. Some guy was like, I thought we almost lost. I really did almost slip. And I was wearing a tank top and it was things were slippery. So would have been bad. It was on pavement. Yeah. I mean, it was terrible. We didn't even talk about like how cold it was. I mean, it's July and it's drizzling in the whole time. Like it's cold too.
It feels like it's like in the fall or winter time. so foggy and misty. No sun. It's July 27th. I was wearing sunglasses because that's just how I run. Yeah. yeah. And literally when you wear sunglasses in like fog and mist, the glasses get super fogged up and can't see. And then it's like, why is this even happening? Where's the sun?
Again, as your support system, I took your sunglasses and wore them. Thank you. I was just holding them. Yeah, I was like, no, don't hold them. You wouldn't even want to put them I didn't even think about that. was just like, dude, my pockets were also so full with all the goos and the headphones. I shouldn't have brought my headphones, by the way. shouldn't. I guess no, bro, because you know they would have run out of battery. You're also going to put them in the gear check. That's the thing. I asked you. That's what I did. I probably should ⁓
Anyway, but yeah, so mile one everything was like it was good. It was pretty easy. Yeah, it was great They're all telling us about these hills and there was like no hill like it was a little up low down I mean tiny literally time for the first couple like we were pretty much chilling. This is chilling Yeah, you got to take a I mean no one wants to hear from me. Like this is your first one I'll chime in but like take us through how you were feeling. All right, cuz I it was on my job to just like keep pushing I had to go. Yeah So here's actually what?
my recounting of the half marathon. Mile one, mile two, easy. Which I was actually like, you sometimes like when I run the first two miles, you kind of got to ease your way into it. Or it's just like, okay, now like you got to tell your body to realize that, hey, we're running now. Okay.
But for some reason, maybe it just the adrenaline, maybe it was just the vibes, everybody running around me. I was good to go those first two miles. I was cooking. And then we actually saw- were at a good pace too, Yeah, were definitely running good pace. I think it was nine. Yeah, we already running at nine. Nine flat, which is already 30 seconds faster. But here's the thing, I ran nine flat multiple, many times in like the first couple of miles. That always felt good. It's later on, so that's why I was still a little bit nervous. Then Chris saw somebody that he knew.
Random which is also crazy that that happened. There's a one person that he knew like mile one or mile two Either way we kept pushing mile three was the first hill. I Believe was mile three. Maybe I don't remember. I think it my I think was mile three mile three was the first hill and You know that hill like was pretty intense. I remember looking up like dang Like these are the hills that they're talking about. Yeah, you go up it, you know I mean like at least this was the widest hill that we had
On the way up, everybody's walking. Everybody's on the side. It's a tough hill. It knocks some people out. We stayed in stride. We going. I'm always thinking uphill. Right foot. Just put the right foot down and step hard. ⁓ So we got up that first hill, again, that hill probably took about a minute. Yeah, it wasn't that bad. It really wasn't that bad, grand scheme of things. But at the time, I was like, dang. That was actually pretty tough. I'm looking at my heart rate, and it's in the
I mean, my heart rate, if I start running, it's gonna be in the 180s, 190s. But after the Hill, I was at 198 or 199. And I'm telling Chris, slow down. I'm doing the slow down hand motion. And he's like, what? What? And he starts speeding up. I mean, I just was going. didn't know. It's really hard to keep looking back all You actually were looking back a lot. Yeah, I back so many times. No, no, 100%. And it's funny, you looked back the wrong way.
Yeah, and then the people I'm like looking back if they think I'm looking back at them, right? That's funny, but anyway, yeah, so I would tell Chris slow down But anyway what I do love about you know, what comes up must go down the downhill My heart rate slowed down because you're not really pushing yourself as hard You're really just kind of stopping yourself. Yeah falling more than anything So just like that's all momentum boom heart rate gets back down to a normal which is absolutely not normal but for me at the
time was normally like a 184, 186. We keep pushing. keep pushing, mile four, mile five, I'm cooling. I'm cooling. This is the best I've felt. Usually when I'm running, I'm always checking my watch to see how far I've ran. And I get, that's also if you run by yourself, think it's healthy thing. But I'm always checking my watch to see how far I've ran, like seeing where I'm at.
During this race, I really wasn't checking where I was at. I was kind of just like, was checking a Oh, 100%. And like, I mean, obviously when I would see the mile markers, you'd see the mile markers, but from, my, I was just kind of like, oh, one foot in front of the other, like we're going, we're good, we're good. And then mile six. I think I messed you up on this too though. And then mile six. How did you mess me up? Either mile six or something. I said we were halfway, even though we were only going through oh, oh, that was seven. But no, the six was the first hill.
the first really bad hill to get up to Golden Gate. So the SF Marathon gets up onto the Golden Gate Bridge, which is again, if you think about it, that's pretty cool. Yeah. But because of so many people in the Golden Gate Bridge is so narrow, it actually gets super congested. Well, at first I thought at first I thought they were going to close the entire Golden Gate Bridge. Yes. So can run where the cars are driving. That's what I thought. Because that's you do in like a regular marathon. Like all the roads are closed off. Like that's what I assume. That's why I thought it was cool. It was like.
You're gonna leave the roads open? And especially since there was a cutoff time of three hours for the half marathon. That's not crazy. That's not like three hours, what is that? Yeah, no, I know it's like, so, well, I mean, nine minutes per mile or no, 9.30 is two hours, Yeah, so nine minutes is two hours. 10 minutes is two hours. Oh, wait, no, no, nine minutes is two Because we were at 54. So if you go walking, your walking pace is probably gonna be at 18 to 20.
Exactly. So that's not bad. And also it made it seem like they would have the Golden Gate Bridge open because we started so early. Yes. Yeah. Whatever. That's besides the point. Yeah, that bad. So that first thing. We're running on the walking part of the Golden Gate Bridge. So it's not even anything cool. Like I can do this tomorrow if I wanted to. Like it's not even fun. Yeah. That would actually be really cool if you walk on the actual Golden Gate That's what I thought it was. But anyway. Budget cuts. They're cheap. We're walking on the bridge and I think just naturally our pace slowed down just because
I mean, look, we're weaving between people, but you can't weave between everybody. sometimes people are walking. Sometimes people are running really fast. ultra marathoners there, too. There's people running the actual marathon there, too. And also, what I was saying is why this was different than all the other races I've done. Because usually by mile six, you're at a point where you're around nobody. It's just a few people here and there, and there's so much space. Again, I only have a
Like I've only have familiarity running the LA half marathons and marathons, but all of those, like once you get to mile two or three, you're, you're cooling. Like there's a lot of people like dissipated, right? Cause it's so there's the lane, every street is taken down. Like you can run anywhere you want in the street. Like if you're a driver,
the marathon should be the worst day of your life because everything should be closed down. It should be. I feel like nothing was closed down. Maybe that one residential street. Yeah, maybe. That's it. Even where the start line was just there, but nothing around it at all. Everyone was moving. 100%. So that was super annoying. I didn't even really get into it. The uphill to get to the Golden Gate Bridge, that was devastating.
That was pretty bad. That's the Mile 6. All the videos people talk about. Oh, that was the one. Yes, yes. It's straight uphill. I remember that. So all those videos. Yeah, with the sounds. I'm trying to remember. Because this wasn't the one that was so bad. No, I remember the one. I know the one we're talking this Mile 6 was... Oh, god. And so I was just thirsty. I'm popping goose. That's another No aid stations. I'm just wanting some water. We just a video on this.
We'll get into this more later, but the SF Marathon has to be better. It has to be better. It's not enough. It just wasn't working. And maybe it was because of the volunteers. I'm not sure. But there was no- When you put it at 5 15 AM, what do you expect? And you put it at 5 15 AM, you would think you would close something down. Yeah. No, know. You can't it both ways. You think you would be having the Golden Gate Bridge open if you're starting a race so early. Yet it's not. Yet-
You have no aid stations, yet you're also running on the Golden Gate Bridge. like, you have to figure out that there needs to be aid stations in between areas. It was just, it was really bad. didn't drink water the whole time. Like, cause it wasn't even, like there wasn't even water available. Make the time later so that there's more volunteers, keep it at the same time and close stuff down and just have the infrastructure be better. Anyway, digress.
After mile six, was an aid station, or at least there was like a fan cheering section right before you went onto the Golden Gate Bridge, which also was a one by one. Remember like that little turn to the right? I don't know if you remember. was like, I mean, we're talking about super narrow. It was a one, you could maybe get two feet. And so I'm walking and I don't want to be walking because I'm trying to beat the time. anyway, another time I digress. Finally, we're running down the Golden Gate Bridge, which is so long, by the way. I feel like we were walking. It actually really is a long I feel like we were running on that forever.
my god, you knew you had to go back. That was the crazy part. you had to turn back around. Yes, and then so after finally after You know crossing Golden Gate Bridge, which I think was like a mile and a half two miles. Yeah, probably at least that right We meet another one of our friends who again so from Los Angeles so random Yeah, the fact that we even saw each other is absolutely insane
Because you don't know when someone starts. No, you don't know when someone starts, even if somebody's right next to you. you're not looking for them, right? So that was pretty crazy. again, right after that hill, right after that Golden Gate Bridge, you go down a little bit. It's a slight downhill. And I have Freebird going in my ears. I was flying. That was the fastest minute, fastest mile we got. It was like eight, nine, Yeah, I remember you. Because you even pulled ahead of Yeah, what did you see? Well, I mean, we were chilling. Like, I was always ahead of you.
Obviously, I'm trying to pace this and then you just start like pulling ahead of me I'm like wait, what's going on? So I was like, oh we're gonna we're like that right now. Yeah, you said oh, we're like, yeah, that's what I thought I was like, we're good. Oh, we're gonna really like cook. Yeah, but then you're like slow down I had say okay. So I had the free bird the guitar solo if anybody knows if you know, know Yeah, and it was going and I was feeling so good. So we were running like an eight minute mile is slightly down hills
I it was even seven something. remember maybe it was seven something. It was like we were cooking Yeah, and like like for the rest of the time it was like nine Low nines. I think I was being low nines and then we got some seven and then there was one ten Yeah, that was the ten was the uphill. Yeah, but it's okay. Yeah, keep going Feeling so good and then I saw my heart rate was at like 196. I said, okay, we gotta slow down again finally, oh This is okay. So this is how I felt. So 13 miles obviously
⁓ I forgot that we had to go back up to the Golden Gate Bridge. I really did forget. So after the Golden Gate Bridge on that downhill, I'm pushing. I feel really good because I'm like, we're done. So what happens is you go off the Golden Gate Bridge and you go on to like more of this beaten path, And you're going downhill. So Cam thought it was done, right? I thought it was just downhill from there.
No, but I was always thinking in my head like I knew we had to get back up I just didn't know when it was right. I was like, how is this where is this gonna end? We're not gonna end on the ocean. It's like 10 miles. Yeah, we're not gonna end on the ocean That's what I was thinking to myself. I didn't know I didn't know I literally didn't look at the court race course at all So I just had no idea what was happening. Yeah, I told you do you like I want to be surprised I Boy was I surprised. So after after those little sprinting miles that like I think it was mile nine and ten
to go back up and we went back up and that was the worst mile. I think at mile 10 or mile 9 and 10 we were like feeling we got three left like your mom through on the 5k. Right, right. Andy Glaze but I knew we had to get up and we hadn't gotten up the hill yet and then we saw that hill. The hill was actually like not even joking it was it was terrifying. No, no the craziest hill I've ever. It was like when I saw it my my heart skipped a beat because I was like. Did it actually?
You were like, don't know how to do this. No, no, I knew I was going to it. You like, walk or I was just more like, how am I going to do this? Yeah. It was more like, know I'm No, bro. It was really, it wasn't like, no, it kept going. Like, it really. It kept going. It was like a five minute hill. A five minute hill. Five minutes. Five minutes. Everybody's walking. Yeah. Everybody's walking. And we're just going, all we're doing is we're going uphill. And I'm like, and my watch is getting loose, so I can't see my heart rate. again, it had to have been.
High 190s maybe low 200 series. I was like pushing more than I've ever really bad like They call it like there's Boston's Heartbreak Hill. Like I imagine that's probably just as bad. my god. Yeah, mean that was terrible terrible No, it didn't stop cuz you you know when you turn once you go you usually are No, but you get turn like four times. It was a four-minute hill like four minutes You have the time where you start the hill and the time where you end the hill like they show you yeah That's how bad it is. Yeah. Yeah
my god, I'm literally holding on for dear life by the grace of God. I got really ahead of you there. Taylor was making, our friend Taylor was saying you kept looking back trying to find him. Cause normally I able to see you this time. He was way ahead of me. I was like, is he going to slow down? Like I wouldn't be mad if he stopped up there. Yeah. I know you stopped. I was like, is he going to slow down? I literally, I couldn't move any faster. I promised you I couldn't move any faster than I did.
Yes, I was like I was just thinking I just don't want to go slow here. I'm just gonna get up Yeah, I understand. Yeah get up. Yeah, cuz you I mean it was bad No, even bro was definitely it was bad. was bad. It was a bad hill It was not easy. No, I still had to run like it was it kept going It was that was a guy next to me again while you loved the running community. You just like dude. What is this? I said, I don't know dude. This is crazy. Yeah, this is crazy. So anyway, dude, Finish the hill and I'm I'm done. I've guessed that we're at mile like probably 11 points some
Guess what? We got to go back on the Golden Before we even talk about finishing, so when you finish the hill though, there's an aid station, but it's really crammed, right? Remember? Remember? Right. And then everybody has to walk. It's so small that you have to walk. And it's just like, this doesn't make sense. Like this is not how a marathon should be going. You should not have to be forced to walk. And that's why would it, like I get an aid station would technically be there, but it needs to be more space. Like you can't just have it.
There where everyone's gonna pile up right after the hit. That's exactly what happened. Everybody piled up and you're walking, or at least you're running really, really slow. for that time I was like, thank God. But anyway, go back down the bridge, which felt like forever. I don't even know how to explain it, as the music I was listening to, songs I was very familiar with, they just felt so slow. I felt like the songs, I knew, I was like, okay, we're...
about a mile and a half away, that's probably about 15 minutes. That's five songs. That's all I kept thinking to my head. That's about five songs, four and a half, five songs. Why did these songs just go on forever? Time moves so slow because I was just so exhausted. No, it did. Anyway, once we hit mile 12, Chris looks at me he said, last mile we gotta push. Yeah, that was time to go because you were earlier on. I was done.
But actually at start of mile 12, I felt pretty good. No, listen, the only reason why I said that is because I remember talking to you when you're going down the bridge the first time. And I was like, OK, you ready? Like the last three miles we're going to push. And you're like, yeah, I'm great. I'm pulling great. Let's do it now. And then so I was like, OK, good. Yeah, so then I go back to you like, bro, are you ready? And also we were trying to get under like 854 or something, 855. So we had to go. Like we had to go. And I was like, are you ready to go? No.
I should have said no. No, of course you had to push as hard as you could. then yeah, mile 12, I remember you said- Mile 12 was pretty good. Yeah, mile 12 you're like, we have one mile to go. Let's go. And I was like, all Because it was 12.1. I knew we had 12.1. And I was like, oh, thank God. Still one mile takes a- That mile took forever. That was, mean, not like it took us a while to run it. That mile, the last 12 to 13 mile took forever. Like just mentally, I don't know why.
I felt like we were running forever and then you're like, all right, we're at 12.2. I'm like, oh my 12.2, just .1. I'm running forever. We're at 12.5. like, oh my God, we got a half mile to go. It's terrible. Not bad, bro. You were there though. were there. then I think it was around 12.8, 12.9. You get off the bridge. And I was like, where's the end? Yes. Yes. This is another sick joke. SF Baratheon pulled one. After mile 12.8, you get off the bridge.
I'm exhausted. I'm done. think it was even later. I think it was like 12.9 something. Maybe. Yeah, maybe. I'm literally, because I see people, there are people lining, so I'm like, oh, the finish line's right there. Look at this guy, that's awesome. No, but then people keep running. I'm like, why are people still running? Where's this darn finish line? Wow. You got to go back uphill to finish it out. It's crazy. It's die hard. I remember, this is at like 13 miles. It's still a .1. It's not 13. It's 13.1.
I stepped just a little wrong and like it kind of like I stumbled a little bit just I mean like very slightly and I felt my brain like oh your brain is not fully there like you feel a little you're like a little disoriented a lot disoriented I was like oh my god I didn't know where you were I got ahead again this was a little scary cuz I was like okay you're a little disoriented you like I felt that felt that I stepped on so yeah anyway all I'm thinking is
Don't pass out before the run. Just finish the run. And that will stop right there.
And we're back. Took a wrong step, almost passed out. Genuinely. I really didn't know this. Genuinely. Because I can't see you that far. Sorry, didn't almost pass out. I just knew I was super disoriented. Yeah, you were like, where am I? Did I say that? No. ⁓ No, no. Sorry, I'm saying this is how you were. You were like in your head, where am No, it wasn't concussed. It was not like, where am I? It was like, what?
why is my body moving? It was like, I couldn't even think where am I? I knew where I was. It was more just like, I don't feel 100 % here right now. Anyway. Again, I don't know any of this because I just see you moving. No, I'm trying to remember what it feels like. Yeah, I know. Because it's like, it also was like a different me. Anyway, finally, cross the finish line.
Well, we actually before even cross the finish line, like you get up past the hill and there's still like a little bit time left. So I am ahead like looking for you. The reason why the reason why I'm looking for you is because this guy at the start was like, dude, it's going to be great when we get to the finish line. They're going to the video. We do our handshake and it's going to be the best time ever. So I'm like, yeah, I'm down. Like this is before the race even started. So like I could have finished like 10 seconds earlier, but I'm like, okay, let me just wait for him. Right. Let me just wait for him because we do our handshake.
And obviously it doesn't happen because you're pretty disoriented and don't know where you are. see, helpful context, thank you. Not only do I not know where I am, I seriously do not remember crossing the flash.
I don't remember. I don't remember. There was not a thought in my mind that was like do this handshake right now. Yeah. No, you're not gonna do it right in front. The video is gonna get us. It wasn't gonna happen. It was not gonna happen. I could guarantee it wasn't gonna happen. So we finish. Finish the marathon. I don't know where you came from. I just know I also I was running. I drop an air pod. Yeah.
I'm so disoriented. Well, this is funny. So, okay, he finishes the race. Now it's my perspective. I finish first and I go like yell in the camera and then because I like I'm waiting for him because I saw the camera. So I was like, okay, we're to do something. And he just goes to the other side or whatever, not to the camera. And then he's like laying or like leaning on something. And he's like, bro, need you like I need your help. So he needs like me to like help him assist you in walking. So we're like we're right up on this like on this area like
Pretty much like the wall of the race, So like, know, there's a barrier, the railing. Yeah, exactly. And there's like a couple people standing or like near the railing. And you're like, I need a minute, right? And there's a guy in front of us who just has no idea who we are. And he can even see that like you're like a little bit disoriented. I'm not tired. Yeah, like it's past tired. Yeah, because you needed me to like kind of make you walk straight. 100%. So the guy at first is like, you good? And then you drop the air pod.
And I'm like, so I'm just staring at, see the airport on the floor for like three seconds. I'm like, are you going to pick that up? Couldn't do it. So I go pick it up. I remember dropping the airport. I remember also like that might be gone. I might need to get there. Yeah. I like, are you just going to like, cause I let it stay there for like three seconds. Cause I was like, are you just going to let it stay there? Like, are you going to let it go? I, dude, I couldn't pick it up. I, if I, if I went to go, I would have, I would have fallen. And I would have not gotten there.
So I knew, I'm actually glad I didn't go try to pick it up. Thank you for picking it up for I wouldn't go pick it up, but the guy asked you like three times, are you good? What did I say? I don't You're like, yeah, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. And he'd be like, we got away from it. But yeah, you were like, yeah, I'm good. Yeah. And so anyway, yeah. So yeah, he asked you, so he knew people could see. People can see that you might have not been in your best shape. No, no, I mean by far. We also have a few semi-viral videos. Nice. Yeah. On TikTok.
showing exactly what I looked like after I finished the race and the best one is the what is it like the start of the race versus the end? He was so happy at start. was like I got this we're great. He's locked in and then he's hunched over like Jimmy Butler from game five in the NBA finals against the Lakers.
Even to the point where you made me go get the banana. I don't remember being hunched over. You really don't remember? No. I definitely remember trying to take steps and those steps just not being there. It really felt like the only way I can compare it, it felt like I was super drunk. That's right. You looked like you were drunk. Yes. I was walking. was super wobbly. That's the only...
If you're trying to feel like what I felt like, I had no control. I had none. none. I mean, the good thing is that, unlike being drunk, after like five minutes, I was good. oh my God, I couldn't step anywhere. I was holding my arm around Chris. All your friends came up. We also met up with everybody. It was really cool. some of Chris' friends and my friends too, pull up. They're like, is he okay? Yeah, they're like, he okay. And I'm like,
He really wasn't okay. I was not okay. I tried to like, you know, I was like, okay, he's good, whatever. He's still hunched over, but he's fine. Like he doesn't need me. And then I'll go try to film a video and you're like, bro, come back, come back. I'm like, you could just like sit down somewhere. Yeah. You always have me sit down. We were in the middle of the It also super cold. It just wasn't great vibes. But like those vibes weren't great. But when you finish a race, there's actually nothing better. Can I take this I'll let you take, listen, this is what I've been saying the whole time. finally understood.
After I leaned against a tree for about seven minutes, drank some water, ate a granola bar, saved my life. I finally was starting to regain consciousness and I could walk without being wobbly. I am meat like, so we were just, we were just huddled by this tree. This family next to me asked me to take a picture of them. It was like four people, two runners.
I think it was a pregnant wife and then another kid. didn't even see the picture. And I took a picture of them. And as I'm taking a picture of them, I'm getting emotional. I'm like, wait, why am getting emotional? And then I realized this is such a beautiful moment. Was this after or before those two guys?
think it was before. Okay, so good. the couple probably got you. No, actually it really wasn't. Okay. Yeah, it was more like, I was just getting emotional. I don't know why looking at this couple or this family, whatever, particularly got me emotional maybe because they were just so supportive, they're so proud or whatever. I was like, dang, that's beautiful. Like, that's beautiful. And then I started, I literally started breaking, not breaking down, but I was crying for sure. You were crying. Dude, 100%. I wasn't even hiding it either. And I said,
Like I said a lot, I still don't remember 100 % of what I said, but I definitely said, I did it. Like I told myself I couldn't do it so many times. was great. That was good. That got me too. That was like, you told yourself you couldn't do it. Yeah, that got you. I'm glad. didn't cry. I was like- You felt it. Yeah, I felt that That was real. You told yourself I told myself I couldn't do it. I'd never do it. I'd never end up here. I'd never do it. And I did it. And I did it faster than I ever did it before by-
like an average of 33 seconds a mile. That's unbelievable. In the most steep hills, terrible conditions, it's raining. I feel terrible. My stomach is turning right now. And I did it. And I was just like, understood like, this is why people do it, Like during the run, it's the worst thing ever. It's the worst thing ever. Afterwards, it's euphoric almost. It's euphoric. You can't bottle that feeling up. You can't get it anywhere else besides like physically.
pushing yourself to a place that you never thought you could be at. That's the thing. Yes, I was looking around like, none of us are forced to be here. None of us are forced to be here. We're all here by choice because we all want to push ourselves. That's was the great part. Such a beautiful And there was some comment on one of my TikToks where it's like, doesn't matter what mileage you run. That's why running's so cool. cares? The ultra runner's great. Good for you. Good for It's all the same goal at the end of the day. want to run a something marathon. want to run a 10k, a 5k. doesn't matter.
We're all here for the collective goal of just bettering ourselves, doing things that are challenging and difficult, and having the discipline to get through it, even though we don't want to. Absolutely. Even though it's so hard, we still do it. And what was super cool, too, is that I had probably what you don't even understand is that it's life advice. You never know who's watching. You never know who you're inspiring. In life. Right? So some people came up to us, and this has happened to me before, but I didn't expect it to happen this time because
You just never know. And I wasn't all green because I was going like a color. So they came up to me and Cam and they're, I think they came up to you actually. And they were like, we were following you. Yeah. And I said, I was following him. So yeah, they said to me, two, they're just of whatever random couples. Never met them before. Never talked. We were pacing them. At least I was pacing them. Right. They're like, we were just trying to follow you and trying to keep going. And I was like, I'm pacing him. Yeah. Like,
I'm sure he had, he really wasn't, cause he slowed down for me sometimes. I was just like, it's such a beautiful moment. It's just a beautiful never know who's watching you behind, you never know. And there were people watching those guys in front of him. guess what? The people behind us had to match our pace, right? In order to keep pushing themselves. And that pushed somebody else behind them. And that's just a beautiful chain reaction of like,
Hey, you know what, like I could walk right now. I could stop right now. This is, they're not walking. I have to keep going. They kept going. I have to keep going. That's what beautiful. That's life. It's beautiful. You never know who's watching. You never know who you might inspire any point in your life. by you just doing a little bit more, you're inspiring that next person to just do a little bit more, which inspires that next person and that next person. And that is how you build a great community. And that's why the running community.
is so great. it really, there really is nothing better. like, I always, you know, I always post a lot of videos about running. definitely want to be like more of a content creator than just running. like my, the running videos are running so well because everyone is just so supportive. understand it. understand it. It's not easy. It's actually extremely difficult. And no one, again, no one's holding you to gunpoint, right? For most of us, like it's not like, you know, ⁓ life.
or death. Life or death. This is choice that we all make and continue to make. paid money to do this. Yes. We paid money. We woke up early. We're risking or losing sleep. We trained. We practiced. All this stuff. then it all comes together. Culmination. Half marathon, marathon, ultra, 5K, 10K, one mile. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. As long as you push yourself, that's all that we're here for. And we're going to support every single person.
And that's what the running community is about. So we finished the race. get all our stuff. We'll talk more about that if we want to. So we get home. Now you understood how this feels. So for all runners, because when you're running, pretty much all you need or what you're trying to do is just carb. Eat as much bad carbs as you can or goose, whatever they are, like candy. It doesn't matter what it is. Especially during a marathon.
like you'll be people handing out pretzels, candy, things like that. ⁓ souten, nerds, sour clusters or whatever. He loves those. So, but think about that. You're running 13.1 miles and putting all this sugar and just like liquid, fake food into your body. how do you think you're going to feel at the end of it? You give us some, you give us some. I think you went to the bathroom. don't know how many times I did buy one bathroom for like 20 minutes. I just sat in there and just like,
Let it happen. Okay. It's terrible. yeah, all runners know this. Like I just sat in there. I let it happen. You just got to let it out. And I didn't even, I didn't even do much. Like I had a piece of sourdough and some water. You had like 17 goose. This was actually really bad. This is like not even funny. no, no, that's more like, I will say this and I know.
more than running, that is the worst part because you can't do anything about it. It's okay if my body's hurting, but when my stomach is just like, when I can't even sit still. No, yeah, that's really what it was. It was- It was especially when you're stuck in the car too. was, honestly, the car ride back, I was literally back, shower, it was cool. Everything was fine. That's where you were really bad. But then after the shower, I go sit down, I'm like, why is my-
I move an inch to the left, like, my stomach is actually just turning. I can't drink water, my stomach hurts so much. can't drink electrolytes Gatorade. I'm trying to eat a little rice. I literally can't even do That's a pro tip, too. People think after halves and full marathons you can just immediately go eat a bunch of carbs. No, you have to settle yourself back in because you've done so much.
usually just like a smoothie. I had some tea actually just right after just to settle some green tea. Pro hack. But yeah, like rice, anything that's easy to get Sparkling water with a little Gatorade. said diluted Gatorade. That actually really helped me. Oh, I didn't know that. So yeah, go ahead. Oh my god, that was actually terrible. We were watching this. The Dodger Red Sox game was on and made me want to throw up. didn't know that. What? The Dodger Red Yeah, I didn't know. Sorry, like why did you?
What do mean? I knew it was on. it make you want to throw Oh, no, no, sorry. It was just more like, was just like more of like just an association with how I felt like this Dodgers Red Sox game. It was just like a gross game. It was gross outside. My stomach felt gross. I was just up and going to the bathroom. We kept going. I mean like probably every 20 minutes. Yeah. Literally every 20 minutes. I tried to sleep because I'm so tired. I couldn't even lay down because that hurt. After a minute, final.
This Gatorade, sparkling water by the way, Gatorade, fantastic combo. It like a sparkling Gatorade. I mean, there you go. There you go. Sparkling water plus Gatorade is a sparkling Gatorade. Everybody, that is a drink right there. It is a hack. Anyway, after that started to feel a little bit better, ate some rice, ate some chicken. Stomach finally after probably about five, six hours. It's settled. Settled. And now. And then.
Whoa, whoa, okay. We had planned, I think we planned this a couple episodes ago. We knew what we were gonna have after the marathon, which is gonna be our classic Domino's order. I can't, my god. Actually, yeah, hold on, hold We were already planning for this, right? And we're like, yeah, there's a Domino's pretty close to us. Like, we bet it delivers, right? know? Yeah, but four miles. Yeah, it's like three miles. Not even that far. three four. And so I go on there, I see it, and I'm like, it's saying it can't deliver, even though it's like open. And I'm like,
check on the app or whatever, check on the website. You're like, let me see. Turns out it's a Domino's that just doesn't deliver, which I've never seen. It's a carry out only. No, know those. Really? They have those? They're fused in DC. OK, yeah. So you were saying like, terrible. I don't want to go. I don't want to do it. Right? I don't want to go pick it up. And I was like, like, I mean, there's no really better place for I remember you said you were looking. We could get pizza. And I was like,
Yeah, you know, I'd rather not have exactly so then I was just like we wanted this we knew we wanted this it's good Let's just go drive and it was good to get out there We drove good to go get but yeah, like at first we were not gonna get we were not go Thank God we did I think I would did and that was some of the best pizza. my god. Sorry. Yes. Yeah pizza, right? Also with the combo with the wings we ordered a wing sub ranch too like what I tell you and this is not a joke
Like this should be a menu item first of all. Yes. And this should be a collaboration item. Wingstop and Domino's should have this collaboration. This is our goal. Clip this. This is our goal. We want a collab item. The Simbro's slice. Yeah, the Simbro's slice, the Simbro's meal, whatever. Simbro's meal. It's a handmade pan pizza from Domino's and the Wingstop Ranch. They can collab. You get them both at the same time.
When I had the first night and this is not a joke. No, no, really not a the best things ⁓ I remember, like, actually, the ranch with the barbecue, with the bacon and the pepper. Yes. I'm telling you, on the handmade pan, it's like, this is actually a religious experience. It really, it's like, it's not, it's, it's I say, Chris, you're being hyperbolic. You're over exaggerating. Bill Simmons type.
You couldn't be more accurate. I already told you what I was looking at. Yes, yes. It was like a religious experience. I remember what it was for me. I started eating and I was like, oh, this is really, this is really good. And then like, I don't know what happened, but like slice middle slice too. was like, oh my God, this is actually fantastic. Like this is fantastic. I could, I could eat like 17 of these. It was like, Whoa. Like
This is actually so... It was one of the better things I remember eating. It was a perfect way to end off the marathon. Yeah. Perfect way. Wow. then we were back in it. I remember I saw your socks when you were showering. Socks were pretty red right there. Socks were bloody. I lost... I I almost lost two toenails. I'm still recovering. They're so loose, both of them. ⁓
But it is actually feeling a little better each day. was a rough run, man. I need better shoes too, I think. But either way, I just won a Nike gift card at work, so I think at least I think I did. Well, we finished the marathon. ⁓ There's some things to say though. ⁓ go It was a great marathon for you. I'm glad we beat the time. Glad we beat It was good times. we made a video on this, the San Francisco marathon, I wouldn't recommend it to a lot of people.
as your first one. If for me doing it, do and understanding it like I guess if it was your first one, you don't really know anything different. Like you don't really know anything different. I just know it shouldn't be like that. It shouldn't be like that. First of all, like the start time was really early. Again, that's something that's like, okay, whatever. If it has to be early, has to be early. But like you were saying, if it's going to be early, then you have to close the Golden Gate Bridge and allow us to run on it. Right. Like not on the side. I can literally go and run on the Golden Gate Bridge right now if I wanted to.
Like in that same area, it's not any, it'd probably honestly gonna be less people. ⁓ a hundred percent. So like a hundred percent. I don't know what the draw is there. And then second of all, it's just the logistics of everything, right? Like you get there, you don't even really know where you start. Like when you click on the map or on the hyperlink to the start line, it gives you like coordinates. Yes. There wasn't even a dress. Yeah. Tell me where we start or where we end. It just gives you coordinates. Like
I'm supposed to put these coordinates into an Uber? Like, what are you talking about here? How do I get here? What's the address? Exactly. then, so then... Traffic, too. Traffic, yeah, but it wasn't even that bad. We hopped onto the car. Yeah, we did, but I think that was normal. We got pretty far. I would say that traffic wasn't super bad. But there needs to be more signage for the Ubers, like where the Ubers get in. Like in LA Marathon, LA Half, it's like, Uber's this way. You're parking this way, right? There was none of that there. There was no infrastructure available.
The gear check too. So normally when you're running any race, like if you're running a 10 K or something and the race loops around, okay, that makes sense for the gear check to be right near where this finish line is. But when you're finishing a race that's five plus miles away, how can you check a bag and have to go back to go get that gear? Like at LA marathon, the gear check truck goes to the finish. Yes. Like that's what basically what you're saying.
With this half marathon, it doesn't start and end at the same place. Which, you know what? Which makes sense. That's okay. Yeah, I don't think it makes sense, but that is how it works. Yeah, that's how it works. LA Marathon. You gotta bring the gear to the finish line. Yeah, exactly. You have to. And not, okay, if it was an easy like 0.2 mile walk or something, even that is something. What? It was the finish line for the full mile. It was the finish line for the full marathon. so that doesn't matter. Okay.
Okay, the half marathon a lot of people run the half marathon like right there should be logistics at every finish line You should have access to your gear. Yeah, I agree like that is like where you finishing. Yep We're gonna bring your gear to you. So that was terrible. Yes, and then the shuttle afterwards. Oh, yeah Well, we didn't even talk we'll get to the end like the aid stations. Oh go go for it first of all, I think there was like one aid station every three to four miles like that can't happen cannot happen people are saying I'm soft and
People are saying I don't know cups. No, like no cups. You there. First of all, there needs to be more aid stations. And second of all, the aid stations were not properly staffed. There was not enough people handing out water. Cam was going through this situation like, dude, and I know I'll always go back to it it's the only couple of races I've run because I lived in L.A. But all the L.A. races, I never had a problem. There was so many people out there handing out water. So there everything. It was abundant. I never worried about if I was getting enough or
Because even on one of the aid stations, they were just on a table. Like the water was on the table. You're not supposed to stop. The whole thing about these volunteers, they're supposed to hold out the water while you're running so you grab it and you never break stride. That's the key. You had to go stop at the table and go pick ⁓ it Terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible. I missed one aid station because there were no cups and I was like, ⁓ wow.
I'm not going to have any electrolytes or any water for six miles. Yeah. Because there was the three miles to get there and then three miles until the next one. That's crazy. And that's that that can happen. People are calling me soft. Yeah. On on Tiktok. What's wrong with having an aid station at every station every mile? Like not on the ultra. I understand that. you don't want the water, it's fine. Exactly. Don't you like you never know when someone wants someone's on a schedule once every two miles. Right.
They want water on mile two and you want water on mile three, so what? You should have the option to go get it. Or if you want water on one mile, electrolytes on another, you should have the option. When you're paying $350 for a marathon, you should have else am I paying for? And then the last thing, before we even get to the shuttles, there weren't enough medals. Someone on our video commented saying they didn't get enough medal. They finished the race and didn't get a medal. That's terrible. How is that possible? Because people can elect to not.
choose to not have a medal for like carbon reasons. And then they took them in. Yeah, exactly. What are you doing? Terrible. You're trying to look cool by saying you care about this carbon thing and then you're going to take a medal? Terrible. Like what's happening? And then the last thing, you get into it. Like we said, the half marathon finish line was like four miles away from the other marathon finish line. Yes, from the start line. Yeah, and the main marathon finish line. was it. Right, right. Yeah, same place. Terrible, OK?
because we had to go first of all, we're waiting in line after this half marathon. It's what, 8 AM? They also said they were going to have heat sheets for us. It's freezing. No heat sheets. No heat sheets. Budget cuts. I can't feel my Achilles. It's partially torn. And we're waiting in this long line to hop in a yellow school bus. Yellow school bus. Yellow. We just missed the coach run too. For like 14 year olds, right? My knees are in a scraping.
The seat in front of me. Terrible. We also just missed the nice bus. were stuck in this bus. We didn't even move for at least what? 20, 30 minutes? We were in the bus for 45 minutes. And then the drive, a four mile drive took forever. Oh, sorry. We were in that drive for 45 minutes. Yes. So we were on the bus for probably about an hour, 15, hour 30. no, because we left at like 10.
So was even longer. we were there, goosebumps. Everybody had goosebumps next to me. So we're on this bus for like an hour 45 in total. all just to get back to this, to the first start line. All just get back to the start line. And then there were no signs on how to get back. Like where the buses drop you off, there should be a sign that says, ⁓
Marathon finish line this way. Yes. Right. Right. asked the guy like, where do we go? He's like, I don't know. I'm to that nice lady told us where to go. She's like, this way. my God. signage. What?
They just dropped us off in the middle of They just dropped us off. They just dropped us off and said get off and do whatever. It was actually pretty funny because we were coming off the bus and you know in San Francisco there's not many black people so like yeah we were coming out of the bus there was like a couple people just like taking videos not of us but like they were I think they wanted to see like whoever they had like whoever was on the bus they were like family members or whatever yeah it's pretty funny I don't if you saw that. I don't remember. You don't remember that? There was like a couple people just like taking videos waiting for someone to get on the bus and I was like hey this is like we're in the league or whatever. It's pretty funny. you did say that.
You didn't notice it. They were filming. Oh, I was like, you know, we're the only black people on this bus right now So, you know how it goes. Yeah overall I I think it's a positive experience just because of the euphoria and the feeling of pushing yourself to get to a place I highly recommend anybody if you've if you've never ran three miles before run a 5k if you've never ran six miles before run a 10k you never ran 13 miles before run a half if you haven't run 26 run a full
Okay, I think you got every, like pushing yourself and achieving that goal, getting to that point is one of the best things I've ever done. It's such a beautiful moment and I'm so glad that I did it. Yeah, one of the questions I have for you or maybe even a couple. Yeah. Now that you've completed it, what is something you wish you had known before running your first one? Like after running you now you completed it. I wish I told you. I always said I will.
Terminal like philosophical or like actually physically running or whatever it is. So then two things ⁓ And I've mentioned these before but the first one I wish I did more zone to cardio that would have helped, you know lower my heart rate I think my heart rate is just too high. which is why I almost passed out ⁓ So definitely wish I did that but also be I wish I never told myself that I couldn't do anything and honestly I'm I am kind of glad that I told myself I couldn't do it because now I see that I did it
And now anything that I've told myself I can't do in the past, off the table. Everything is free rein, I can do whatever. You can't stop it. Yeah, you can't. I think that's a good one. Question for you. Yeah. Before you, I know you got one more for me, I think. I think if I can remember it. No problem. Which do you think is more likely for you? Sub three.
or sub one half? Sub one half is insane. What are you talking about? That would be like four. Sorry, bro. You should say like sub 130 half. would be really worse. Well, that's half of a marathon. ⁓ That would make more sense. No. So yeah, but like obviously the longer it's not like even. So it'd be like sub one 10. Yeah. Okay. I think 120 because I ran a 128 on my, on the mayor. Right. Because you also knew you. Yeah, exactly. So if you had, if you had to absolutely empty the tank, I would rather do it shorter.
Burst sub sub 115 or sub 3 sub 115 is way hard. Oh my god 115 is hard. Well, which do you think you could do? I would just be more inclined to actually I would be I think I would run a sub 3 marathon rather than a sub 115 half. I just think that's The half is just you have to be burning burning burn, right? A sub 3 marathon is still burning at like 655. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like that's just I guess just ridiculous. No, I'm saying you're gonna do it. I'm so like which is more like
I think it would say that because that's probably 655 like a sub 115 is what like six probably brought six Yeah, I mean six for 13 on flat ground not up. No, course It had to be the right course to even like slight downhill course. Yeah Yeah, so Now that you did it would you have? Looking back would you have rather done a 10k first or a 5k or are you glad you know? I'm glad to the half because I ran 5k's I ran 10k's right and Yeah, exactly. So in my head I was like
You know, I don't need to pay what probably like $200 to get a medal to run six miles me personally I did not need to especially since I was like practicing and training and I was getting six seven eight miles relatively easy 13 was always the the push I mean the most I ever got to was 11 at a very high heart rate and you would have said you would probably have done 13 by yourself first before running I would have oh I also yeah I would have ran I should have ran 13 by myself I think again the most important thing
was just keeping doing more zone two and just like expanding my heart rate. Yeah. Variability, I guess. No, just like capacity. Yeah. Capacity. It's a urobic base. Yeah. You need to make sure to do more of that first as opposed to 100%. And that's what like, and that's what I'm only going to do. Just right now while you're just building yourself. Until marathon. Until marathon season. I don't know when that's going to be. Not for a while. I think, I think
probably the same for a lot of other people. I don't think you should be paying for a 5K or a 10K pretty much. That's not really worth it. For some people it is. Not for everybody. For people who are really trying to push themselves, I really think you could do a half. I've been saying this from the beginning. If you can do a 5K right now, even if you could do, if you could just do a couple miles here and there, if you give yourself 12 weeks to really train,
You'll be surprised at what you can do. Unfortunately, I agree. a spinning image of it. Unfortunately, And people are like, well, I can't. I can't. You really can. You can. You just got to do it. You just have yeah. You really can. Really, really It's a lot different. And then once you do, you start to realize, and everyone has to go through this, where you just realize that, I could have done this the whole time. It's really just a mental thing. Like, mean, my first race, you say I'm insane. I know I am. Like, I didn't run anything. I just ran a marathon. I went straight to it.
That's unbelievable. I just went straight to it. No pre-race. I had no idea what I was doing. Longest I'd ever run was 16 miles, and I was just like, whatever. I think that's dumb. think it's dumb. Pure will, baby. I think it's unsafe, maybe dangerous. I don't think that was unsafe. I don't think everybody should do that at home, but I'm glad it worked for you. I don't think that's unsafe. I think that's like, I at least trained, and I finished in 330, 338. But yeah.
And with that, we're going to take a little break.
And we're back. How you feeling? Good. PTSD at all? Yes, actually sometimes when I see certain clips, when I see clips of me running, I don't feel PTSD, but when I see the trail, that's when I get PTSD. But don't you see the goose in the cupboard? Honestly, not yet. I hate goose because When I taste it, the next time I taste it, it's going to be terrible. I don't even know why you do them. I don't know why you do them. I feel like they give me energy.
I guess I'll do can't I'll do candy next time now, know Andy Lacey's like bro You don't have to do anything. It's just carbs and what tastes better like goo is just terrible. Yeah, it's Oh It's the caffeine. That's I mean, I really think it's more the carbs than the caffeine like I really think that maybe it's a good combo Yeah, either way either way. I'll do some nerds gummy cluster to see what's up with that. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, anyway challenge of the week Do something that challenges you?
Challenge of the week. That's like, but that's what the challenge of the week is. Click. That just clicked. Okay. But do challenge of the week. Think of something that you told yourself you're not good at. Yeah. Yeah. It could be something random. I'm not a reader. I don't read books. I told myself I'm not a reader. I just, I'm not going to read books. I read a book right now because it's something that interests me. Right. Right now.
You used to make fun of me for saying that. Now I like it, Already right. Just watch the team. Come All right, see now you're waiting. Now No, come on. You got off it. You got off it. Anyway. of the week. New challenge. no. So figure out something that you told yourself you're not good at. Maybe you said, I'll never be a computer science guy. I'm not a coder. Take a coding class. Watch a YouTube video about coding. Everything's free nowadays. Do it. Don't tell yourself you can't do anything ever again. Yeah, and remember, that's something...
that will make you a better person. And by you doing that and you pushing yourself just a little bit, someone who's watching you is going to push themselves a little bit harder. And someone who's watching them is going to push themselves a little bit harder. There's always watching. It's a beautiful chain effect. Someone's always watching you. So you might as well put on a show for them, because what's the point if you're not going to? And with that, post-half marathon edition, no sports this week, we got a big month. It's August.
Yeah. Fantasy season. You guys are gonna get tired of sports soon. Baseball playoffs coming up relatively soon. We just got. That's good time. We got some good times. We're gonna go deep into fantasy, deep into the NFL. You're gonna have all things over and under. When the baseball's on, you gotta have a beer. I don't know if I want a beer. I'll get, I'll get, dude, when baseball's on, you gotta have a beer. Why? Playoff baseball. That's how it goes. Can I just have a seltzer? And with that. We'll see y'all next week. Stay locked.