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Welcome creatives! These are discussions, thoughts, case studies, interviews, and lessons about how our creativity relates to life. The host, Mr Benja, is a former video game programmer / designer for Rockstar Games, Sony Santa Monica, The 3DO Company, and others, as well as a fine artist. -- Be sure to check out the website for more.
Benja: Hey Creatives, this is a
podcast I recorded with Natalie
Freeman, an accountant and a
creative that I know and love dearly.
Hope it provides some value for
you and I I think you'll find
some good information in this one.
Let me know what you think.
Today, I have a special guest,
very good friend of mine who I
never expected would be on this
podcast and who I never expected.
I'd be talking to.
We have Natalie from freedom
enterprises international.
You know, I, Natalie is here.
I, I don't even know if I got
your proper introduction, right?
I mean, I don't know if you wanted
to be called Natalie or freedom
enterprises or how you want
introduce yourself a little bit.
Natalie: surprise.
First of all, I made it on your podcast.
Yes.
But yeah, I'm Natalie Freeman
and freedom enterprises is good.
It is a part of my
entrepreneurial works, so yeah.
That's good.
That's good.
Here I am.
Thanks for having me.
Absolutely.
Benja: So listen, my my podcast is
usually we got a bunch of computer
nerds and art geeks and people
like that, jumping on this thing.
.
Natalie: Well,
Benja: cool.
I'm leaning on with the cool people.
Yeah, exactly.
So what I'm gonna have this
time is somebody different
and I like to keep it fresh.
So Natalie is into accounting.
Trust me, this is gonna be an exciting
podcast, but she's into accounting
and we're gonna make this a thing and
you own your own accounting practice.
Natalie: Yes, I did actually.
And y'all, I'm not boring.
I promise.
Keep listening.
So yes, I did.
I was an entrepreneur for 12 years,
but just recently I transitioned
into the financial advising space.
So I'm now technically a
licensed financial advisor.
I help people strategize to
make sure they have enough
money to do what they wanna do.
Benja: You know, who needs
that kind of strategy?
artists and creatives
Natalie: here for you all call me.
All right.
So and the cool thing is, you
know, I want to be free to create
and you know, you don't have to
worry about the finance part.
That's what I love about working
with everybody I work with.
Well, you know what, a lot,
you don't have to worry about
Benja: this stuff.
Just call me, just call you.
Okay.
Good.
Cause a lot of people, they do the
first part where they're like, I'm not
gonna worry about finances and then
they have problems, but they didn't
get the second part, which was to call
Natalie: yous a step one.
Don't step two, call me.
Maybe we should change that around.
Maybe step one, call me.
So step two, you don't worry.
Benja: There we go.
All right.
So I'm gonna kill the video right quick.
Cause it's it's distracting me
from the actual conversation,
so don't worry about that
Natalie: people.
Okay.
Should I do the same?
Benja: Yeah, probably good.
Hey
Natalie: done.
Cool.
See, I follow instructions.
Well,
Benja: incredible.
You are clearly not a starving artist.
Natalie: okay.
So love it be a balance in the universe.
That's right.
Benja: So really quickly everybody,
we Natalie and I go way back to
high school actually, and I'm not
sure exactly how or why we kept in
contact because there are people you
fall out and just lose contact with.
But Natalie was always a.
Good friend very
knowledgeable about things.
And, , I like to keep people who are
knowledgeable, who have their head on
straight and who are getting things done.
I like to keep those people in contact.
So Natalie definitely stayed on the radar.
And recently I found out
she was starting a podcast.
And, , I started a
podcast a long while ago.
Back when you had to, call the website
provider and call your hosting service
and actually tell them, your file transfer
protocol, you know, numbers and settings.
And it was, it was stupid back
when I started it was . Yeah.
So now I'm like, okay.
People who aren't tech
nerds are into podcast now.
So what got you into this, Natalie?
Why'd you decide to start.
Natalie: I know, like you were definitely
speaking Greek to me a few seconds ago, so
I'm like, huh, what whatcha talking about?
So yeah, the whole podcast thing.
So this is a secret, Ben, you're ready.
I'm gonna share it on your podcast.
Do it.
There is a creative inside this nerd.
this?
Yeah, man.
She's in there.
She is.
She's in there.
She's way down deep.
And I'm trying to pull her
out really as the short of it.
So I've always been a nerd since
been met me in high school.
And I went into finances.
I love finance my passion because it just
has to make sense at the end of the day,
that credits have to equal the debits.
That's just how accounting works.
But you know, they think most
of those people are stuffy
and truth is most of them.
But, but I love to write, I love to talk.
I love to sing.
I love spoken word.
And just in that space, you don't
always get a chance to do that.
And so a part of my marketing strategy
was to do something where people
would get a chance to know about me
and my personality in hopes that that
would make them want to work with me.
Cuz I not the typical financial advisor,
I'm not the typical accountant or tax
preparation specialist or whatever.
And so during the pandemic,
I'm also single by the way.
So during the pandemic though, I just,
you know, it was just like, I was sitting
there thinking, cuz you know, we had a
lot of time to sit home and think and eat
and all the other stuff that we were doing
during the pandemic, didn't the height of
the pandemic, I guess we're still in it.
Right.
And I was just like, why am I single?
And I'm just like, no, like really?
Like why am I single?
You know?
Cause everybody has this
hope, this dream that.
You're gonna be married or whatever
you're gonna be doing at least have a
friend that you can call and go out to
eat with or whatever, by a certain age.
And I didn't in the
middle of the pandemic.
So I was just like, okay, like,
no, but like, why am I single?
Like really?
And I really started thinking
about that and I was like, you
know, I know tons of single I'm in
groups with thousands of singles.
Like, why are they single too?
And the podcast came just
outta all these thoughts.
Cause I started asking other
people, I started doing polls
and jumping into people's DMS.
Like, you know, not to get some booty.
I was just wanting to see
what they was thinking about.
Like, why are you single?
Like, what are your thoughts about this?
You know, and people started responding
Uhhuh , you know, they started responding.
They really started sharing their
thoughts and their feelings with me.
And I was like, you know what, I'm
gonna have these people on the show.
We're gonna start a podcast.
So that's how successful, but single
was burst because outta all those
stories, people are still doing some
phenomenal things like Ben and I want
to have them on the show and there you
Benja: go.
Okay.
So, so you're connecting with these
people, just you know, asking them.
So it was a personal kind of,
you know, I want to know what's
you know, what's on their minds
or let's talk the situation out.
Is that what that, what it was?
Natalie: Yeah, let's talk it out.
Let's see if we can come to a conclusion.
Let's see if we can encourage each
other because in society, people tell
you, like, you know, like if you're
single, something's wrong with.
Right or you're cute or you have money or
you seem like you have it all together.
So why don't you have a man or
why don't you have a woman or,
you know, people ask you dumb
questions like that on a daily basis.
But, you know, and I felt like if I
was thinking these things over, because
it starts to get in your head after
a while, but I was thinking if I'm
thinking these things, other people
are probably thinking these things too.
Okay.
So, but can, can we have another side?
Can we have a community that's
just encouraging each other?
No matter what way you are on a roll, if
you're successful and single and you're,
you know, boss is be, be okay with that.
Or if you really are wondering, and
you do wanna be with somebody at some
point, but be encouraged to know that
you're doing what you're supposed to
be doing right now and you know's cool.
Yeah, definitely.
Benja: It is.
And did you, did you say bosses bay?
Natalie: Yeah.
Cuz some people, you know, okay.
No, I, they don't really care about,
they care about just being a boss,
so they're just doing their okay.
That's part of tagline by the way.
I like it.
People.
Benja: So wait, this you, so you've got
this thought, you've got this idea, this,
this community you're thinking about.
What made you actually say, I want to
record this, encapsulate it, make it
a thing as opposed to, well, let me
just get a Facebook group or let me
just call people on the phone every
Friday and talk to them personally.
What made you actually decide to package
it into something that is a podcast?
Well,
Natalie: I love to run my mouth and
I guess you can do that in a Facebook
group or just calling one person or do
a group chat every Friday or whatever.
But I really wanted to create a
worldwide community because I felt like
people just needed some encouragement.
Because again, you get these
dumb questions all the time.
Like, why are you single?
It's like, you.
Are you trying to help me find a man or
a woman, if not, like, why do you care?
You know, people are thinking about these
things and they wanna be encouraged to
know that they're doing what they're
supposed to be doing right now.
Or maybe, you know, they need
to some more encouragement or
just to know that I am okay.
Sometimes people just need a little
affirmation in one direction or the other.
And so I just felt like other
people were feeling this way.
And I felt like if other people came
on and shared their success stories, it
would encourage people to write that book.
It would encourage people
to start their nonprofit.
It would encourage people to finish
their artistic projects or start
their artistic projects or get
some support, financial support or
more exposure for their financial
projects or their artistic projects.
Right.
Yeah.
So I just want other people to hear
the stories of others and be like, man,
you know, if Ben is doing it, so can I,
Benja: That's very cool.
So a as you're connecting with
these other people, do you.
Do you talk to a lot of creatives?
Natalie: Well, not really.
, which is so cool.
It's like, I would like to
expand and talk to everybody.
I don't want the people just to look
like me to be entrepreneurs or, you
know, grew up in Tallahassee or, you
know, cuz that's where you start.
Right.
But I want them to introduce me to all
their friends, you know, the creatives.
The sea captains, everybody,
I really eventually wanna talk
to people in all walks of life.
You know, you just kind of
start where, you know yeah.
And hopefully it'll grow from there.
Benja: Definitely.
And the reason I ask is because
I, you know, obviously when you're
starting a podcast or starting a
creative venture, the first people you
start talking to are the people that
are pretty much in line with that.
So when I started doing the, a
D experience, I started talking
with video game developers and
people connected to gaming.
And these are the people that
I had talked to the most.
But you know, like, like you said, I
had a shared, we had a shared desire
to have a community and create,
and I was like, you know what?
I need to have Natalie
on my podcast so we can.
Because it's, it's about their
creativity, not necessarily your
job title or anything like that.
So,
Natalie: absolutely.
And you know what, I think this is
helping me let out my inner creative.
I mean, I absolutely know nothing.
, you know what I mean?
And I say that in quotes about
what I'm doing, but it's fun for
me to learn about, you know, highs
and lows and all these things.
I mean, sometimes it's fun sometimes
I'd rather like talk to one of you
all and like, can you do it and just,
you know, I'm glad you kinda merged me
into this space because one it's going
to help me grow more in this area.
But then of course it may also widen
my circle that I can collaborate
with people who can help me be
better and help me grow my team.
And I E eventually do it
because it is so big and bad and
worldwide, you know what I mean?
Benja: Yeah, definitely.
So okay.
Successful, but single that
was your, that was your topic.
And it, I, I, I didn't
know where it came from.
And the reason I was so interested in it
is because, you know what I knew about
you in the financial arena and doing
the financial advisory, the accounting
and all that, you know, suddenly when
you see a different side of somebody
pop up, it's always kind of interesting,
like, oh, they're into doing that.
Was that, was that kind of stepping
out of your comfort zone at all?
Or did that feel weird to
you when you first starting?
Or was it just something
you hadn't shown people?
Natalie: Absolutely.
I mean, first it's weird
because you know, everybody.
Feels like you should
be able to do a podcast.
And I was just like, man, it's not as easy
as these creative speak it seemed like.
So I love a challenge, you know?
So it kind of got me doing things
that I'm not used to doing.
However, like I said, there is an inner
creative in me and I think not, I think
in 2021, I wanted to release every facet
of me to the world that was possible.
Hmm.
And so you may see more, you
know, there are books in me.
There's definitely spoken word,
you know, like I said I actually
entered a a portrait contest in
Tallahassee in February and I won it.
yeah.
and they put it on the radio.
I was like,
Benja: oh, nice.
Natalie: You know, I mean like people
from like black on black rhyme where
the judges, these like, you know, real
people, real artists, real creative.
I'm like what?
So that to me was a great honor, you
know, and I was very encouraged and I'm
just like, you know, it's time to show
this side of the side of me to the world.
So
Benja: very awesome.
I like that.
And I don't wanna gloss over the fact
that you you mentioned Tallahassee,
so I'm in California right now.
San Pedro long beach area and
you're in Tallahassee, Florida.
Natalie: I'm not I'm in Tampa, Florida,
Benja: Tampa, Florida.
I'm sorry.
You mentioned Tallahassee twice.
I'm sorry, but you're in Tampa.
Natalie: Cause I did.
I answered the contest in Tallahassee,
Benja: Florida.
Okay.
Okay.
Natalie: The contest was in Tallahassee.
I saw it on LinkedIn or something.
Benja: No, see, this is, this is
what I, I, this is what I like here.
And what I, what I really appreciate is
that you had a, a vibe, a, a thought,
and, you know, you hear about a contest.
You know, you hear other people doing
podcasts or that this podcasting thing
exists and you just kind of jump into it.
And I think a lot of people who aren't
creatives and even creatives have problems
with this, you know, they're waiting on
permission to do something, you know?
So when, when I was asking you, you
know, what made you make that jump?
I was like, I'm thinking to myself, well,
how does somebody, who's not tradit, who's
not traditionally in a creative role.
How do they perceive the whole
giving themselves permission
to try something new?
Mm-hmm
Natalie: mm-hmm . I think that's like the
risk taker in me again, you know, that's,
it's not been buried because I've done
some things that, you know, kind of living
on the edge, I guess, for my industry
or whatever, but it was just, again,
20, 20, 20 was pivotal for a lot of us.
Like I saw a lot of people start
businesses that I thought never would,
you know, we just took advantage of
opportunities based on the crisis.
that was, you know, in front of us all.
I think it made a lot of
people think differently.
Like I don't have to beg people
now to do a financial plan.
You know, people were dropping off
left and right in 20, 20 mm-hmm it
made people very serious and think
a lot about their mental health made
them think a lot about their game
plan for the rest of their life.
And I started doing the same.
I was like, man, I have dreams
in me that I haven't even.
you know, that people don't
even know there's a side of me
that people don't even know.
And is that fair?
Is that fair to me?
Is that fair to the world?
You know, here it is, here I am.
This is me.
Benja: So would you have done this at all?
If the pandemic hadn't happened?
Good
Natalie: question Ben, because when I was
on the radio station that day and they
were interviewing me after I won this
contest that I entered in on the last
day of entry, you know, I told 'em, I
have spoken words, that's been written for
years that nobody has ever heard mm-hmm
And so, you know, I wanna say eventually
I would've given myself permission, but I
think sometimes life happens in such a way
that you just, you just let you just let
Benja: go.
Definitely.
So this is where I, and
Natalie: I think that's
what happens for me.
Okay.
Benja: I think with And this is part of
the thesis behind the, the add experience
is that whenever something happens not
necessarily to you, but around you because
of you even in spite of you and something
just happens and you're left with a, a
gap in your normal series of decisions,
you know, mm-hmm, like, let's say you're
going to, you know, cook something and
you're like, oh, I don't have any rice.
So all of a sudden, all of your thoughts
about, you know, a chicken and rice
combo or, you know, pork fried rice
or whatever you're thinking about
with rice, all of a sudden that's out
of the window and you can't do that.
Mm-hmm or, you know, the oven
breaks and it's like, okay, now
I've gotta do everything on top of
the stove instead of in the oven.
You've gotta, you've gotta
you've got a deal, right?
Yeah.
Some people will just go, go out
and get something to eat, but then
there's another creative aspect.
That's like, okay, what can I
create out of this situation?
Where mm-hmm where can
I develop something?
And I mm-hmm I've been so interested
in how people were developing that when
the pandemic happened for me, I was
like, okay, we've kind of played around
with this before, but now I definitely
wanna make sure I'm getting people on
to talk about how they've taken any
situation, not necessarily the pandemic
itself, but any situation mm-hmm and
decided to create something out of it.
Natalie: Yeah.
So that's yeah, go on.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, you're, you're right.
I mean, like you said, are, are we
gonna take the lemons and make lemonade?
Or, you know, are we just gonna take
the lemon zest and , you know, make a
treat or, you know, what are we, what
are we gonna do with what we have?
And I think that's kind of what I did.
So that sounds
Benja: so cliche, you know just in
general, make lemons outta lemonade
and mm-hmm mm-hmm but what's the,
to you, what's the difference in, in
just coping or just accepting a bad
situation and saying, well, I gotta
make lemons outta lemonade and actually
saying, and actually flipping that.
Energy into a positive direction that
says, you know what, I'm going to actively
use this situation to propel myself.
How does that mm-hmm how does
that work in, in your head?
Like when you see a challenge or an offer?
Oh, that is
Natalie: so good.
Ben and I, and I love that you
just kind of keep rephrasing and
repackaging the question to kind of
make me dig deep, which is great.
Thanks.
So I mean, so yeah.
I do exactly that.
I go and look at the situation.
It's like, okay, am I going
to let the situation rule me?
Or am I going to rule the situation?
And I say this a lot, kind of like in
my space, my motivational videos and
just things like that that sometimes
we, we hone in on the trauma or the
crisis of a situation instead of
zooming out to know that that's only
one piece of your total life experience.
and if you allow that one piece
to just shake and wreck your life,
you know, it can mess you up,
cuz that's all you're looking at.
You're looking at that one, you know, bad
situation and you know, never to negate
or undermine or even be little or make
light of somebody's terrible situation.
But sometimes if you just zoom out for
a minute and you look at the thread
of your life and just see how, when it
came and what happened, it's usually.
You know, it's usually a
jump start into something.
Awesome.
And for me, since we were using the
pandemic, if you don't mind me going
back there, mm-hmm , you know, it just,
while I was home, I was thinking, I
was thinking a lot and there were some
painful moments during the pandemic,
not necessarily because of the
pandemic, but my dad died last year.
You know, like during the pandemic
I was switching careers and I
was, you know, doubting myself.
I'm like, you've been
an accountant 20 years.
Like, why are you switching
careers now in your forties?
Like, you know, is this midlife crisis?
You know what, you
know, what was going on?
Like you talk, you know, on my podcast,
which I about relationship successful, but
single like, you know, relationship ended
in a way that I didn't thought it was
going to, I'm just like, what's going on.
Like, you know, some faith
based things in my life ended.
And I was just like, okay, I'm literally
like, metamorph, my identity is changing.
And so I used all of these things.
To just propel me to the next level.
Like there's, there must be
something else, then let's find it.
Let's explore it.
Let's let's, you know, develop it.
And that's what I did.
And a lot of that thought process and,
you know, going through all of the
emotion that you go through when you're
in transition, came out of my writing.
So I started writing a lot.
I started writing things down a lot.
Again, that's kind of where
the podcast came from.
And my spoken word was actually
rebirthed during the pandemic as well.
I started writing again and instead of
it being cliche or being, you know, just
a bad situation, cuz that's what people
looking at it as I turned it around,
like one of the pieces I created during
the pandemic was called 2020 is my year.
You know, instead of looking at it,
you know, in a negative, like let's
use all this crazy and figure out
what we're supposed to learn from.
It let's go.
Benja: Hmm.
It's powerful.
And I, I don't know if it's appropriate
or inappropriate, but I dunno if you
could hear the ice cream truck outside.
Natalie: Oh, I do.
I thought that was my
ice cream truck in Myers.
that's ice.
That's my ice.
Everybody got ice, California.
Yeah.
We, I guess this is the ice cream time.
yeah.
It's cause he
Benja: circled that.
Good, good.
That we didn't have the
Tamali man around this time.
Oh, y'all got a Tamma man too.
Yeah, only California.
The Tamali man.
He's he's got a very loud voice.
I would've had to pause the podcast
and go outside if he showed up.
But
Natalie: no, that is too funny.
By all means.
Please pause and go on out there please.
Benja: No, it's fun times.
But no, that's very, that's very
powerful what you were saying.
And I do, I, I think people.
It's a weird thing, like trying to not
focus on the negative, but using the
negative or the trials and tribulations
or any type of contrasting energy to, if
not propel you in the direction that you
want, at least give you a compass towards.
Okay.
I don't wanna go this way, but
so, so that's informing me on
where I do need to go and what
I do need to create for myself.
Absolutely.
You know, and that's one of the things
that makes that made technology so
exciting for me because there are ideas
that we couldn't push forward until
people were willing, willing, or forced
to let go of their previous notions.
That's right.
So, you know, I mean, how many people
really thought that they would be live
streaming you know, or doing pod come
on or, you know, just working from home
even, you know, it's like all of these
concepts that existed, but weren't
put into practice are now possible.
Yep.
Natalie: And almost
the norm now, you know?
Benja: Yeah.
Totally.
On my other podcast, we've been
talking about how, how theaters
are trying to make everything go
back to the way it was before a lot
of people were streaming movies.
But if, you know, if you knew about last.
Last year's black Friday and holiday
sales, the number of large screen
TVs that sold was astonishing.
And that bet it was because every room
had to have a screen, a TV, some type
of device to get you on the internet.
All the cable providers and internet
providers were, were swamped with request.
And I mean, mm-hmm, pretty much
every neighborhood you go into,
somebody was out there, you know,
beefing up the, the data lines.
Natalie: Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
So it's funny.
Cause, and I don't think
we're going back, Ben.
I mean, I don't know what you think
about it, but I just don't think we're
going back to that world anymore.
Of course there people are
just tired of being home.
We're gonna go back out.
We're gonna wanna do things
mm-hmm but I don't know.
Like what do you think?
Benja: Well, this is a situation
where what do I, what do I think?
I usually don't try to put out
predictions like this because no
one knows what's going to happen.
I'll just, oh, I'll, I'll
just speak on what I see.
And I think you've opened, opened
the door to a lot of technological
possibilities that people just
weren't considering before.
Like, there's, there are
people that I know who weren't
really buying stuff online.
It's just not something they did.
Yeah.
They were that's right.
They'd make a list and they'd
say, Hey, listen, it's Saturday.
Going down to my local target or
the shopping center or whatever,
and I'm gonna get all these things.
If it's not there, then
I'm just gonna go home.
I had people contacting me saying,
you know, Hey, listen I went to your
website and you know, I wanna buy
something and I'm thinking, oh, okay.
And.
They this one person said
they wanted to buy something.
They asked if they asked if they
could just send me the money
and I drive it out to them.
and I was kind of like chuckling
because I'm like, wow, this person,
they still want that, that kind of in
person mall connection or whatever, but
they're not gonna go out to the mall
with all the, you know, with all the
people, the closings and everything.
But it was kind of, it was kind
of pulling them the, the situation
was just kind of pulling them
through the use of this technology.
So mm-hmm, the, the technology
adoption curve is crazy right now.
And being able to sell people on new ideas
via this technology or in conjunction
with it is is a great opportunity.
And I'm glad to see that.
You're using it and other
people are, are hearing you.
And they're like, okay, well now we, we
can talk about relationships on a podcast.
I didn't even, you know, I didn't
even think podcasts were worth
talking about now, you know,
Natalie's out doing it, you know?
Natalie: Yep.
Come on out and grandma's listening.
It's like, everybody's, you know me?
It's like you said, so many techn, so
many opportunities have come, you know,
for technology, you get what I'm saying.
It's like, you know, grandma wasn't
online, but now grandma's online.
And now only is she buying online.
She's listening podcasts.
She knows how to get on the zoom.
You know what I mean?
She, you know, knows how
to get in on a group chat.
Yeah.
It, she knows how to send the
link to the podcast, to her
friends, like check it out.
My baby's own doing a podcast.
Benja: I, I love that.
People contacted me out of the
blue, like you know it's funny.
I, I have a certain internet
decorum that I've built up.
You know, what gets talked
about, what doesn't, you know,
setting up your privacy for.
And mm-hmm every once in a while, it's
like on Facebook, I have new family
members who are, who really never got
on Facebook, but now they're like, okay,
this is a valid communication platform.
Let me just jump on here.
And oh, he made a, he made a video
about, you know, creating a podcast.
Let me, let me put, put
this in the comments, like.
You know, dear Benjamin.
Thank you for your information.
Hey, listen, don't forget.
Your insurance form is still
getting mailed to your aunt's house.
Like, wait, what?
This is not how online conversation works,
Natalie: you know, about internet
decor, but they, you know,
they're still working on it.
I love it.
Benja: Yeah.
That's funny then.
Yeah, exactly.
I'm teaching people I'm
actually, but thankfully we can
Natalie: go and edit and
delete comments if necessary.
Yeah.
And then you can call them and
say, Hey, thanks for responding.
Benja: Yeah.
Has it?
So what's been tough for you.
If, if anything as I said, I
take this for granted because I
was a, I, I was a tech baby that
didn't wanna talk to real people.
So, you know, mm-hmm, you
remember that from Mr.
Ford's class?
I would just run to the
computer and do my thing
Natalie: right.
But I always made time to talk to Ben.
Like, Ben, you gotta talk to me.
You gotta talk to me.
Benja: That's right.
So yeah.
How was what difficulties have
you found in this new era?
Natalie: Everything
It's it's it's plus out here in
these tech streets, you know?
Okay.
It's I wanna do it.
And I'm one to step up to a
challenge, but like I said,
y'all make it look really easy.
Hmm.
But there are so many components
and, you know, are you doing audio?
Are you doing video and audio?
Or if you're doing video too, like, you
know, what's your lighting look like?
You got a background, you know?
I mean, just, you know, what's your
distribution channel for this podcast.
And I mean, , you know, sound effects
and loops and intros and outros.
And I'm like, oh my gosh.
You know, and if I think about
it too much, I will stop.
I'm like, you know what, forget it.
I'm just gonna go back to my
office and talk about finances.
But at the same time, it's fun.
And it's a little raw and
messy for me right now.
You know, I have sound
engineers listening to my stuff.
I'm like, okay, Natalie, you gotta
work on that, but I'm out there.
You know, some people just say, You
know, get your first failure over with,
get your first trash podcast over with,
just get it done, get it out there.
And there's always room to grow.
Not definitely.
And so there's still a
lot I need to learn.
I mean, what I'm out here
now, you know what I mean?
And I'm gonna do it.
So I,
Benja: that, that's a good point.
I think what people need to a, as far as
the, you know, coming from the development
side of things and the art side is that
the being comfortable with presenting
something bad, you know, mm-hmm , and
it's fun as, as software developers,
we're used to just like, you know, the,
the idea of creating a product that
works comes from the old industry where.
You had to create something that
that was completely functional,
that didn't mess up anything.
Like if you, if you, you sent out a
bottle of, you know, you know, Cola or
whatever way back in the day, when Cola
first became a thing and somebody died
from it, they may not even died from that.
They may have died from something
else, but just happened to have
drunk a Coke before then all of a
sudden the word of mouth goes around.
It's like, well, you know, Jimmy,
Bob, from down the street, he
drank a Coke and then died.
It's like, you know, and suddenly your
entire livelihood's gone, but, you
know, cause it is just word of mouth.
And then the information got out there
and it stuck, but mm-hmm with the,
with the internet and the way things are
changing now, it's like, I'm watching.
You know, literal you know, billionaires,
we're talking about Elon, Musker
whoever you know, Kanye west Kim
Kardashian that whole crew, the amount
of mistakes that they make is enormous.
Yeah.
And a friend was telling me, he's
like, Hey man, you know, you need
to fix X, Y, and Z and whatever,
before I get on your podcast.
And I'm like, dude, we're trying to, I
was like, I, I got what you was saying,
but that little bit of, you know, let me
hold back and make something just right.
I got over that and now I feel free.
You know what I mean?
Mm-hmm so mm-hmm, it, it it's just
that, Hey man we can put this out.
It'll be fine.
We'll learn from it and go on the next
thing, because you know, if we're trying
to hold ourselves to a standard that.
That ultimately holds us back,
you know, that's just gonna,
we're just gonna get passed by,
Natalie: Yeah, right.
Is everybody's doing their thing.
Like you're still gonna be
standing there marking time.
And you know, I think personally it's
helped me develop because back in the day,
you know, I was such a perfectionist and
you know, in that industry of finances
and everything, you have to have a
certain look, you have to be just so
you know, you almost have to be stuffy.
You know what I mean?
To get some notoriety of respect
but you know, as I'm watching that
Benja: person that person's just not
stuffy enough, get him outta here.
Natalie: Right.
You know, like he could
not manage my money.
She can not manage my money.
You know what I mean?
You know, so, but it's true.
It is so true.
Like perception is everything.
But during the pandemic, you know, you
saw people like that, Elon Musk, and like
you said just all these different people,
Jay-Z everybody, you know, they were
doing videos from their home, you know,
no makeup and all this stuff, and they
showed us it's okay to, just to be raw
and just come on out with it, you know?
So I think it, again, it gives you
permission, you know what I mean?
Mm-hmm you were asking me for the
impetus or the motivation, just to give
myself permission to get on out there.
And it was things like that.
And there was even an
article I read on LinkedIn.
It was just talking about that people in
the professional services industry, like
financial advisors, attorneys, blah, blah,
blah, you know, they were moving from
the more starch, you know, starchy, you
know, tweaked, airbrushed, head shots.
To just, you know, a regular old,
casual picture of them or you know,
something not as polished because
people really wanna see the real you.
And I think that was another reason that
I did the podcast too, just so people
could, you know, see that, you know,
I'm successful, but single it's okay.
You know, you don't have to be
single, you don't have to have the
2.3 children in the picket fence,
you know, to be okay with your
Benja: life.
Yeah.
I, it's definitely a, it's definitely
a changeover in, in mindset.
And what what's funny is I think
people that were just messy by
nature, you know, are all of a sudden
able to shine because P I'm messy
anyway, I'll just put whatever out.
And all of a sudden, all of a sudden
they're like beating the brakes off
of people who are a perfectionist.
Absolutely.
And, you know full disclaimer I'm,
I'm not a perfectionist, but I'm very
particular about a lot of things.
Mm-hmm and in the past year, two
years or whatever, that I've been
putting my personal brand out, I've
just started letting go a lot of, some
of that stuff and, Hmm, it's great.
It's like someone said, Hey, I thought
you posted and said this and that, that,
Hey, I say a lot of things online next
it's it it's phenomenal.
I don't think people realize how
amazing this changeover is to society
and we're not gonna it's free.
Right.
Natalie: It's what I said.
Benja: It's freeing.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I wasn't sure if you said
freeing or frightening.
Natalie: It could be a little bit of
both , but I definitely said, you know,
you know, there's a freedom now, I think.
Benja: Do you ever get afraid of getting
caught up in online drama or like the
whole idea of not getting canceled?
I don't know if you're saying
anything that's that wild out there,
but do, does it ever, do you ever
get afraid of saying anything?
Nope.
Whoa and
Natalie: well, you know, like, you
know, I'm, I'm still a bit nerdy,
so I'm still, you know, I'm, I'm
learning the color outside the line.
So, you know, it's still pretty
structured chaos if you will.
Mm-hmm cause I'm still working on content
and, you know, just likability and just
stuff that people really wanna hear, but
It's crazy out there.
And it's amazing, like even on your,
just regular Facebook posts, you know, I
can put my dog out there and, you know,
people love it, their comment, and I
can do something that I think is just
as cute and people will tear me apart.
Mm-hmm you know?
And so I and so it's, , it's like, you
just never know what people, I think a
lot of times when people, you know, when
people come for you, if you will, I don't
think people expected that to happen.
You just doing you you're you're
being you, you know what I mean?
And should we get punished for BS?
Sometimes it does happen.
Right?
Cause you've seen, you've seen you've
seen TV show hosts get canceled, you know?
Yeah.
For something they thought
they were just doing it's okay.
I mean, that's been
happening recently, right.
Especially with the whole, you know, black
lives matter movement and everything.
So it's a possibility, right.
When you put yourself out there, it is
just possible that anything happens.
Am I gonna care about it?
Hmm, I do, but
Benja: I don't good.
Good.
I, I, I like see Natalie,
this is why I rock with you.
You got yay.
I love that.
You just dropped at Nope.
I've not I keep doing my thing.
Y'all can talk about whatever y'all
want over there, but I'm over here.
We're good.
I love it.
We're good because you know what?
I like I, I, I've been on this
kick with with my, with my personal
Facebook and you've noticed
over a while that I pretty much.
You know, one or two short sentences
with no links and it's not always a it's
not always a direct kind of statement.
I am, I speak in riddles a lot of times.
And, yes you do.
And the reason I started, because
Natalie: I was frustrated
Benja: by here's something that
I think there, and I would see
people take sides extremely quickly
and start this big argument.
Mm-hmm and it got tiring for me,
because if I say something like,
like, like, you know, I, I used to
go to, I used to go to bars and clubs
and social gatherings or whatever,
and I made it a point to bring up.
You know, the things you're not supposed
to bring up, you know, race sex, gender.
I love it.
Politics, you know, I would
make it a point to bring those
up just to have interest.
I mean, interesting conversations.
Exactly.
And as social media started building
up, you know, one time I posted
something and I thought it was rather
innocuous guy gets in my DM, who I
was friends with for a long time.
And he's like, Benjamin, I don't
know what, what you're doing.
You're you keep on posting this blah,
blah, the cynical business about, and
I'm like, it might being cynical or just
putting, you know, an idea out there.
And he took it as cynical.
And it really started happening enough
where I started worrying about like
losing friends and losing connections.
And I have to be honest.
And I don't.
Yeah, it's, it's something that I
really wonder about in this new era.
And I, I don't know, maybe I, I, I
don't know your perspective on, you
know, how people should try to get
over that or work with being themselves
while not endangering their SOC you
know, social interactions, I guess
Natalie: it it's man.
How can I answer that?
Benjamin I've learned that especially
being an entrepreneur, especially
being financial space, there are people
who are gonna like you, and there are
people just gonna not, and I don't
care how much you do to get the people
that you want to like you, they still
may not and it's amazing the support.
The following the, you know, just the
friendships or business partnerships or
relationships that develop from people.
You just never would've guessed.
Like I've gotten friends off of
Facebook that, you know, amazing.
Benja: So you met through
Facebook, you mean?
Natalie: Oh yes.
Okay.
I'm sure that came.
Yeah.
That I've met through Facebook.
But then people that, like you
said, that have known me forever.
It's like, oh, and all, I didn't
know that you know, that you felt
like that, or I didn't know that you
supported that or he is like, I'm out.
I'm like, well, okay,
guess you gotta be out
and I'm learning to be okay with that.
Now the ninth grade, Natalie, you met
the Natalie in college, the Natalie,
when she first started her business
bin, would've been like, oh no,
I'm not gonna have any supporters.
I'm not gonna have any clients.
I'm gonna be broke.
And I'm gonna have to go back home
and let my parents, you know, I
worried about a lot, but I've learned
a lot in these years out here.
And I feel like if I'm doing
what I'm supposed to do, I hope
people will respect that there
are different facets of Natalie.
And I don't have to look like you.
I don't have to act like you.
I'm not gonna be you, cuz I gotta be me.
That's the only way I'm gonna succeed.
That's the only way I'm gonna be free.
That's the only way I'm gonna lay
my head down at night, knowing that
I've done what I'm supposed to do.
And I'm okay with that.
And yes, it is hard and it
took me a while to get there.
And sometimes it's hard for
different people, you know, but
every season or so I gotta shake
out the old and, and keep rolling.
Benja: That is so appropriate to
where we're where we are right now.
I think I, I forgot who I heard it from.
It was a powerful businessman.
And it's, it's one of the.
It's one of the tenants of
powerful business people somewhere.
But they BA it basically says,
you know every so often you
should take a very good idea.
That's gotten you far and get rid of it.
Hmm.
And, you know, I started thinking about
that in terms of like, when people know
me and they understand me and I've gotten
to a certain point and then I start
to do something a little different,
or that may you know, confuse upset
enrage or whatever, somebody it's like.
Mm-hmm yeah.
That, the way I was thinking
about this got me this far, but
I really need to keep going.
So I have to let that go.
And that incl letting go, I
mean, it sounds easy on paper.
Just let go.
But yeah, you've got the
people that are, yeah.
Gonna attack you for, for changing
cuz anytime you make it yep.
A change that's substantial in
any way you will get attacked.
Natalie: Absolutely.
Or if it attacks their connection to
you, , you're gonna get attacked some
more, you know, because that was their
connection to you, that lifestyle or
that mindset, you know what I'm saying?
Mm-hmm and now they've, they've
gotta relinquish that they've
gotta change when you change.
Like they've gotta change
and people don't like that.
Benja: Yeah.
It's it it's, it's so bizarre
just to, to watch all this
play out kind of in real time.
Mm-hmm because one of my.
One of my best friends online,
you know, it's like every time
you make a post, they, they thumbs
up and, you know, they're all
in the comments like, yep, yep.
Right on.
And then you're on their,
you're in their comments.
It's like, yeah.
Yeah.
That's it, man.
Recently they've been talking
about a black Superman, right?
mm-hmm if you follow my show versus
business podcast which is where
we talk about creative and finance
you, you may have heard this, but
we were talking about black Superman
and I was kind of like, man, we
don't need to see a black Superman.
Why don't we have, you know, and I started
bringing up all these other characters.
And man, that friend of mine who was
rocking with me, he just stopped, just
stopped cold, please hurt you all.
And , you know, I may not be
on the right side of history
on the black Superman thing.
It's like, but it's whatever.
I didn't think it was
that serious, you know?
Right.
But yeah, it's, it's this, it's this
friction of change and you know, we're
not used to connecting with all these
people on all these different levels.
So now we've got all this
friction coming about.
Mm-hmm mm-hmm so in terms of
like, you know, getting back to
just, just being creative, there's
a definite courage about it.
And I don't know if you understand
how courageous what you're doing
is have you ever like sat back and
realized like, wow, I'm, I'm kind of.
I can do this.
I it's one of those talents that I
don't know that you know, that you have.
Wow.
Natalie: I never thought about it quite
like that until you said something.
You know, like I said, in 2021, I
wanted to do some things that I've
always wanted to do that I just
either never had time or never.
I'm just so everything's gotta be
perfect and I need to know everything
about it first and then I'll do it.
But 2020 taught me.
It's like, we don't
have that kind of time.
And, and somebody, somebody may
be missing something if you don't
get out there and do it, you know,
that's why, you know, I admire you.
Like I said, I I've been
watching the evolution.
And it is inspiring.
And so, you know, maybe somewhere down
the line, you know, just watching news
inspired me or whatever, you know,
I, I never thought of it as courage.
I just thought it was like,
Hey, let's just try it.
You know?
Yeah.
And sometimes a lot of me, you know, still
wants to compare and like, oh my gosh, you
know, like, why can't I do it like that?
Or I'm looking at somebody else's podcast.
Like I would love for my show
to look like that sound like
that taste like that, you know?
and it doesn't yet.
Yeah.
But you know, I'm still
gonna do it anyway.
So I guess that is courage.
So thanks for pointing it out.
Absolutely.
Benja: Now this courage you, you
have a connection with people.
That's a, a certain benevolent connection
and it's not where I come from.
I come from a, okay.
I think I come from a different
angle in terms of helping
people and working with people.
But what drives your desire to.
Help people get their, their shit together
or just, kind of working with people
on a self productive level, I guess,
Natalie: at the simplest form of who I am.
I just love people and I always
want the best for everybody.
And I think everybody has an opportunity
to do better when connected with
the right resources, the right
motivation, the right timing, you know?
And so
I just, you know, so I wanna just,
I feel like if I can be a part of
your success, if I can be a part
of your power team, it's what I'd
usually love to call it a lot.
I wanna be that person, if I
can help you go from a to Z,
cuz that's where you want to go.
Anyway, let's go.
How can I get on board?
There were a lot of people
who got me into this space.
Like when I first started my business, my
mentors just used to give out my number.
It was almost like that pushing the
Eagle out, the nest thing and my phone
would just ring and it was like, you
know, such and said, told me to call you.
And I'm like, oh, okay.
And I stopped being shocked about it.
They saw something in me that I
didn't see in myself at the time.
Okay.
And I wanna be that for other people.
Hmm.
I really do.
You know what I mean?
Even if I don't know anything about
you, any, even if I don't, you know,
understand, you know, everything about
you, if there's something I can do to
contribute to your success, I'm in.
Benja: So we have we, we have, I, I should
say I, I shouldn't say we I'll say a lot
of people have a certain view of, you
know, the financial arena and people who
are always trying to sell you something.
And a lot of people, I just, a
lot of that you see me trying to
say we, or some people instead of
you just say instead of me, right.
But I have this, I have hangups
with a lot of financial people.
Yeah.
And I think you're very genuine
with your wanting to help people.
And that's what makes
you special and unique.
So how can, how can, how can
creatives you know, work with their.
Their finances work with trying
to actually get the help they
need without feeling like they're.
How do they get over the hangups
of, I don't wanna deal with
these financial people basically.
Natalie: Right?
Such a good question.
Yeah.
Just come on out and say it.
Benja: I'm I'm trying to formulate
the questions in my head because I
have these feelings, but I'm like,
you know, I've never actually said
this like this, but anyway, go ahead.
I know, right?
I feel
Natalie: you, I feel you.
So, I mean, let me just say this.
It's somebody for everybody, you
know, and there are, you know,
lawyers you wanna work with.
There are lawyers don't wanna
work with, there are nurses
you don't wanna work with.
And in the financial space, you know,
there is an aspect of sales, but
what we don't realize is even as a
creative, there's an aspect of sales.
You have to convince people that
what you're doing is valuable.
and it's something that they want
either to put on their wall, to, you
know, put over their head and wear
it on their chest outside every day.
You know, like the Louis Vuitton
analogy you gave me before, just,
you know, you know, just, you know,
this creative piece on, on wheels,
you know, just this storage space or
whatever, you know, there's an appeal
that we have to create for all people.
And I hope my angle is that I
appeal to the everyday person.
Benja: Okay.
So,
Natalie: and that includes creatives
and, you know, everybody needs an
opportunity for somebody, you know,
to help them align their lives, but
not have to sacrifice what they love.
And in most financial spaces, people work
with eight to fives or people who are used
to getting that every two week paycheck,
but there is a space for you to, you
know, be able to still do what you do love
what you love have, you know, maybe the
uncommon platform to generate income, but
still very much need to have somebody help
them create mm-hmm , you know, a plan
for you to still be able to live dreams.
Benja: Okay.
Now supposing they they don't
know supposing they don't come to
you or they need some specialized
service from somewhere in general.
How do people avoid or how can
people avoid financial shysters?
This is, this is a, this is a fear
from developers and creatives.
It's like, you know,
Natalie: absolutely.
That's a fear for everybody.
A lot of people actually know your
worth, know what you bring to the table.
Don't be afraid to ask questions.
Don't be afraid to sit back and watch
them you know, referrals and people
can, you know, you can ask people about
people but you know, they're gonna
give you their aspect of them based
on what they know and what they like.
And you know, but that may not
appeal to you all the time.
So really get to know people,
ask the questions, ask what,
you know, how you know.
See how you connect even
on a personal level.
That's kind of why I
started the podcast too.
I wanted people to know me
outside of that financial space.
Hmm.
In hopes that they would just like me
as a person , you know what I mean?
Or know that I wasn't the
typical financial advisor or
the typical accountant or the
typical, anything for that matter.
Right.
And if you connect with me on that level,
you know, let's, let's work together.
And if you don't find somebody who
will cuz your finances are important
Benja: Yes.
And it it's, it's becoming more important,
I think now in terms of just having
that knowledge and understanding on
your own because of where we are right
now, mm-hmm mm-hmm I think so many
people are involving themselves in.
In their own affairs and their own
finances comes along with that, right.
Natalie: To their detriment.
We have a thing that we say in
the financial space, Ben mm-hmm
we, we, we don't mitigate risk.
We can't avoid risk.
Okay.
But we can't help you manage the risk.
Benja: I like that.
Natalie: And that's everywhere.
That's everything like you take risk, you
know, when you create, you take risk, when
you go to a new restaurant, you take risk.
you know what I mean?
When you travel outside of San
Pedro, you know what I mean?
But we learn how to manage those risk.
Huh?
Cause the world is just full
Benja: of risk.
Yeah.
I, I think that's, you know, that's
one, that's one reason why Yeah,
people, it, it just feels like so, so
foreign people and people don't get
a lot of the financial education they
need in school, which is one thing.
Absolutely.
Nobody really teaches you a lot of the
entrepreneur side, the financial side,
the you know, you may have gotten a
lot of life planning by osmosis through
the family and the people around you,
but there is no mm-hmm , there is
no, you know, expected curriculum.
That's, that's offered to people like,
Hey, once you graduate from high school,
we're gonna put you in a two month
program on how to get your life together.
There is, you know, I, I
just never ran across that.
Maybe there is in some places,
but I don't know of it.
Mm-hmm so I, I like the fact that
you're, you're out there filling in
at least one piece of that puzzle.
And we didn't I, I meant to do
this at the very beginning, but.
You know, where can people find
you specifically for financially
Natalie: all over?
So professionally you can find
me@wwwdotedwardjones.com Freeman.
You could find me on my YouTube
channel, Natalie Freeman.
My podcast is called successful,
but single intentionally that's on
most places you can find a podcast.
Audible, Spotify, iTune, SoundCloud.
Think I'm on apple.
Benja: Wait, you think you're on apple?
Natalie: No, I said,
I think I'm on iHeart.
Oh, okay.
iHeartRadio I'm I am on apple for sure.
Yeah.
Benja: I listened to you earlier on apple.
Natalie: Thank you.
Yes.
That's where I was.
And I was listening to
you earlier on Spotify.
Oh, I'm on Spotify too.
Yeah.
Ah,
Benja: wait, what, what
were you listening to?
Show versus business?
Cause that's one I've been talking
about recently show versus business.
Okay.
Mm-hmm yeah.
What, what do you think of that?
I've actually arrest anybody.
Outside of my normal circle,
Natalie: I used to be quite honest.
I've only listened to bits and pieces.
Right?
Cause I'm usually running around trying
to figure out how to do my own stuff.
Mm-hmm but what I really loved about it
again, like you all were just enjoying
yourself, you know, you're just having
fun talking about, you know, what you
were talking about, but you included.
So, you know, I love that it's current,
but you, you know, but you weave in
your pass, like, you know, y'all will
go back to Tallahassee in a minute.
And I think the one I was listening
to earlier is where you were talking
about how you all stood in line all
night to go to the the wrestling.
Yes.
To be on the wrestling show.
and I just love it, you know,
like, you know, that you all
just kinda weave in everything.
And so I was just like, man, you know, I,
it made me really like, you know, I was
like, I need to make time to listen more.
So I apologize that I haven't
listened a lot, but like I said,
I'm out here trying to, you know, do
my, th do my thing without a ring.
So but I was just like,
man, this is really cool.
Cause they just really like enjoy,
you know, talking to each other and
just sharing their views about things.
And even like I said, weaving their
past and their kids into, you know,
what they're doing and just love it.
It was just like, great.
So,
Benja: yeah.
Okay, well, thanks for that feedback.
The the idea of behind that
podcast is we were, we were friends
for, for many, for decades now.
Oh God, I don't believe
I'm saying decades.
Yeah.
We've been friends.
Oh, I know.
Right.
We've been friends for decades.
And we always talked
about this stuff anyway.
So, you know, with the way the world is
now and just being open and sharing, we
were like, you know what, let's record
the conversations we have anyway, put some
structure to it and put it out there.
So I love it.
And you know, I'm more of the show side.
He's more of the business side and
mm-hmm , so that's where we kind of
come from and show versus business.
And it's it's been really fun,
you know, it's like at first we
were, we were kind of hesitant.
How do we talk about the stuff that we
normally talk about and formalize it?
And we didn't formalize
it to my earlier point.
We just started putting stuff out
there and messing up and mm-hmm Hey,
let's see if we should, let's see
if we call call this guy, see what
happens, you know, and you get a third
guy in on the call and it just got it.
It just got better.
I love it.
So we're still working it out.
Natalie: Yeah, well like I said,
it kind of drew me in and I, like
I said, I, now it's something I
really wanna, you know, make sure
I make time to get in more often.
So
Benja: yeah, I, I, I want to
create it where it's not a, yeah.
It's not a job.
It's not a responsibility
or an obligation.
Cause I don't like the idea of
social media as an obligation.
We got into it's supposed
to be social, right?
Yeah.
You know, we got into the discussion
about, mental health briefly very
briefly another time we talked and I,
I don't like the idea of something so
pervasive as social media and standard
communication being this thing that
starts to feel like an obligation starts
to feel like if I don't make this post
or if I don't make my video look a
certain way, then I failed because that's
a recipe for, just internal disaster.
Natalie: Yeah.
Yeah.
Cause, and I think that's
kinda like how life should be.
Like how can you know, it just be fun.
So it's not an obligation and
that's kind of why I'm thinking
of like, bringing on a production
team and, everything like that.
Mm-hmm because I wonder always be fun.
Like I always wanted to be my go-to,
it's also an outlet for me because
you know, the financial services
industry can kind of be overwhelming,
you know, I take your for it.
So it yeah, take my word for it.
You know, and so it it's kind of an
outlet, but like you said, when you
gotta like, you know, should I post
this, what time should I post this?
I gotta worry about the comments of the
feedback, you know, from what I post.
And like you said, it does
kind of take the fun out of the
social aspect of social media.
So, you know, it's a balance, but
Benja: yeah, well, it's, it's
weird and it's, it's weird and
we're all working through it.
I am just glad that one
of my great friends from.
From my high school and college days is
still out there doing awesome things.
And I'm so glad to have had you on today.
Now is there anything else that you
wanted to make sure we covered or knew
about what you were doing or any awesome
notes of life that you'd like to put out
Natalie: there?
Well, first I just wanna
say thank you for having me.
I feel like it's an honor that I
got a chance to cross over into the
creative space with the creatives.
Like I said, I really feel cool.
Now you should feel honored.
So thank you.
thank you for affirming me in your space.
Thank you.
And I just wanna leave what
people just do it, just do it.
One thing I've always admired about
creative is that you just do it
or, you know, that's what it seems
like from the analytical side.
But it's, it's freeing, it's fun.
It's it's, you know, It's okay.
It is okay.
It is.
Okay.
Very awesome.
So, yeah.
So thanks again for having me again.
I love that we can reconnect
after all these years.
Benja: Oh yeah.
They'll, they'll be more
recordings here and there and
we'll definitely cross path again.
Sure.
Natalie: I hope so.
I hope so.
Benja: Yeah.
All right.
Natalie: Well thank people.
Need me holler at me.
Absolutely.
Benja: I am gonna put up all
your information whatever
links you'd like me to put.
I'll put that at the, in the, in
the show notes and it'll be all good
and lovely and dandy, and we will
definitely be posting this up sometime
this weekend or early next week.
Natalie: Sounds good.
Sounds good.
Thanks again for having me Ben.
All right.
Proud of you, man.
Benja: Proud of you too, Natalie.
And thanks again.
And this has been Mr.
Ben's D experience with
the awesome Nat free.
I will talk to you later.
Woo bye.
Natalie: Bye.
Benja: Hey Creatives, this is a
podcast I recorded with Natalie
Freeman, an accountant and a
creative that I know and love dearly.
Hope it provides some value
for you and I think you'll find
some good information in there.
I think you'll find some
good information in this one.
Let me know what you think.