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"Mining the hearts and minds of unorthodox teachers"
For the life-long learner who wants honest, human conversations about how we grow, heal, create, and understand ourselves. These are longform dialogues with artists, thinkers, authors, meditators, psychologists, musicians, creatives, leaders, philosophers, healers, and everyday people with something real to teach.
Each episode offers a perspective, story, or insight that tends to lands exactly when someone needs it most. Thoughtful, curious, and quietly life-changing, this show exists to help us live a better life by understanding our own inner world more deeply, through the perspectives of one another.
The Junkyard Love Podcast - for a better life.
What is awakening?
00:00:12:04 - 00:00:37:00
Speaker 2
Well, I think we've not been told, the right. I don't want to say that we've been told a lie, but we've not been told really the the exact, way in which there's a process to awakening. We tend to in the West. To edit out process for product process is more feminine. Product is more male.
00:00:37:00 - 00:01:05:17
Speaker 2
So because of the fact that we have this patriarchal, political religious mindset in the West where people have product, we want things to just happen. But really, when you go into the great teachers, even Yeshua Jesus, why would you call him? He said, I'm the way. And I think they cut out the way. You know, there's at 18 years missing in the Bible that nobody wants to talk about in Christendom.
00:01:05:19 - 00:01:39:13
Speaker 2
Like, okay, that wasn't important. Even saying thing for 18 years. Maybe you need to know. But I think that 18 years represents the process and the way that's kind of been cut out of Christianity as we know it today. So I think that, there's a process that's missing in the fact I think we're being told that somehow awakening a, is a, an event rather than an unfolding, and that we can just wake up in Paradise and bliss and all.
00:01:39:13 - 00:02:11:15
Speaker 2
That's kind of the new age, idea. Now, I've been very part of New Thought, New age metaphysical for decades, but I'm finding myself at a place where I'm really evaluating a lot of that teaching. Not that I don't believe in, didn't serve, but I think there's a shift, a paradigm shift that's going on. And I think we all need to stop and take a pause and kind of look back at some of the things that we've all taught and influenced people with that actually has not brought forth the fruit of what we have said.
00:02:11:17 - 00:02:40:03
Speaker 2
And that's where I am after decades of research, and doing what I'm doing is like, okay, what I've what I've taught, what a bottom line thing that is basically kind of happened. So I really kind of see this idea of, awakened mind is, is a, a process of moving us into seeing first what we call the illusion of the world.
00:02:40:05 - 00:03:03:18
Speaker 2
I don't think that awakening is a bypass around it. I think it's through it. And I think that people need to be empowered as to how do we navigate through this time of breakdown. I was asked by my higher self, I guess you can say, but the words formed in me in the, about 20, 25 years ago when I started my business was Foam Energetics.
00:03:03:18 - 00:03:24:14
Speaker 2
This, vibrational tuning fork work. Do I want to try to fix what's breaking down or. I don't want to work with what's breaking through? I didn't even know what that meant 25 years ago in my intellect, but something in the cells of my body. So I want to work with breakthrough. And now I have to realize that there is there's a higher frequency.
00:03:24:14 - 00:03:55:06
Speaker 2
I call it five D just for communication reasons. But, the dimensions in our 3D, 4D world, I think is, breaking through new information, new data, new direction is coming in. And of course, the reason I know it's breaking through because the old is breaking down. And so rather than trying to fix people, I've tried to awaken people to the fact that the path that they really are on should be the path to no path.
00:03:55:08 - 00:04:17:06
Speaker 2
In other words, I don't think we're in lack trying to get something we don't have. I think we need to realize what we have forgotten. You know, and and we've kind of lost ourself in the what Americans calls the dream, the world of insanity. It's called many different things. The the Maya, the illusion, world of appearance and all of that.
00:04:17:08 - 00:04:38:24
Speaker 2
And I think we have to wake up from that and to wake up from that, we have to see it for what it is first. So waking is not an immediate experience of I'm in bliss now and everything is wonderful and great. I think that actually we find ourselves a little disoriented at this time, and we're in a, we're in the midst of this state of chaos.
00:04:39:01 - 00:05:00:20
Speaker 2
So I'm awakening up to a lot of things that I've been taught and believed that I'm reevaluating what I've taught and believe. So I'm in a great transition period, for myself, in where I am. And I think a lot of people are kind of in that place and don't realize it become. And we're not telling people that's okay, that's okay.
00:05:00:22 - 00:05:19:01
Speaker 2
This is probably the most spiritual times to be alive on the planet right now, but it doesn't look like the best time is kind of like the idea of the best and the worst happening all at the same time. You know, the, the, the idea of, the best of times and the worst of times is happening, at the same time.
00:05:19:01 - 00:05:42:08
Speaker 2
Or there's a scripture that says the great and terrible day of God. So I think we're in the most terrible day. But the great day spiritually, the people are waking up and realizing that all of this that's going on in the world politically and not just politically, but in every system is not new. We just haven't seen it.
00:05:42:10 - 00:06:07:23
Speaker 2
We have stuck our head in the sand, and a lot of us who have been spiritual, new agey type people has offered people all this euphoria, blessed and everything is great and ignore it. And I think we stuck our head in the sand, so to speak. And I think people are beginning to realize, no, I'm here to look at it for what it is, but see it from a higher state of consciousness and start raising the vibration of consciousness.
00:06:08:00 - 00:06:20:09
Speaker 2
So we need to be working in the in the collective level. Anyway, I could go on and on about this, but I'm I guess I'm just sharing with you an experience that I'm going through at this time of my own awakening that's taking place.
00:06:20:11 - 00:06:39:10
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. As it's an active awakening. It's not it's not that. It's only something you you had an awakening experience and now you're this, you know, just this person now this different, this different person. It's an active thing. Ken Wilber talks about. I'm sure you've looked at the Ken Wilber and his legal theory, but he talks about this maturation maturation process.
00:06:39:12 - 00:06:59:13
Speaker 1
And I feel like when I was first listening to him talk about it, it was so simple and so profound. It was a little bit like kind of one of those remembering things that you are you're talking about is like, oh, yeah, I kind of know this, but it seems so obvious when he when he points it out, basically, you know, we go through puberty in the physical body, when we become a certain age and that's an obvious thing.
00:06:59:13 - 00:07:21:11
Speaker 1
And it's, you know, it's not necessarily an arrival. It's an active through a few years. And we change and we develop into, you know, not only a societal different version of ourself, but, you know, our physical body has transformations, male and female. But also there's an active, like, psychological self version of maturation, puberty that's going on.
00:07:21:13 - 00:07:44:07
Speaker 1
And, and it's, it's almost like it's happening at a more rapid pace, not only just to more people, but, we're covering more ground at once, like, you know, just through the internet and just through knowledge and books and exchanges like this, we get to consume so much amazing information also very quickly, and it can expand all of our consciousness at it.
00:07:44:08 - 00:07:48:08
Speaker 1
We essentially can mature faster these days, as it seems.
00:07:48:10 - 00:07:51:19
Speaker 2
Yeah. You're seeing some really good things there that I really like. Yeah.
00:07:51:19 - 00:07:53:02
Speaker 1
Feel free to jump in.
00:07:53:04 - 00:08:18:24
Speaker 2
Yeah. I think that, that things have intensified with information. We are in the age of information, no doubt about it. And I think people can get overwhelmed with that. You know, there's a place, in the text that says that knowledge can make one weary. And I think people sometimes get so bogged down with all this, that's on the, the media, on computer, on YouTube.
00:08:19:04 - 00:08:50:08
Speaker 2
I know I can go down that rabbit hole and I hear one and the other one jumps on, I go, I that's good until I just, like, want to shut down to it all. But one thing that I've tried to teach to people or to remind people, I'm really not a teacher, I'm a reminder. Nice. And to remind people that all this knowledge is coming to you from outside, whether it's in a book or whether it's on a podcast or where it's coming from, it is your responsibility to see what of that data.
00:08:50:10 - 00:09:13:01
Speaker 2
Our knowledge resonates with your own innate intelligence. I don't think there's anything that we need, in the sense of what we don't have and gathered outside of ourselves. So when you take things like what we're doing today as a podcast or what I do is doing lectures and, and all that I do in that type of thing, I'm very clear to tell.
00:09:13:01 - 00:09:38:01
Speaker 2
People don't believe everything I say just because I say it. Don't follow me and my teachings because I'm going through a process. I'm just doing it publicly and letting you hear it. And, I tell everybody to take because you hear something, somebody may hear us today and go, that was really interesting. Now, I don't know what I think about it, but that was interesting.
00:09:38:03 - 00:10:00:04
Speaker 2
Although it was interesting, it caught your attention. Therefore you hold it and contemplated in a neutral state. Don't judge it right or wrong, good or bad, to just hold it. Now, if it is for you, it will resonate your own innate intelligence and you will have your own moment or your own epiphany. And that carries your own.
00:10:00:04 - 00:10:24:15
Speaker 2
I am code or signature to it, because we don't want other people's. We want self-knowledge. And I'm talking about the gnosis self, not the self we think we are, but the true self that's waking up so that we have direct knowledge with God. I don't know if you've been much into Gnostic ism, but it has changed so much for me to study that in some way.
00:10:24:17 - 00:10:28:20
Speaker 2
So anyway, that's kind of the way I want people to, to see it from my point of view.
00:10:28:22 - 00:10:37:16
Speaker 1
Yeah. So, so in Gnosticism, do you mean, like studying the self and what the self is and changing your, how you view yourself?
00:10:37:18 - 00:11:09:21
Speaker 2
Yeah. Well, you know, Gnosticism is pre-Christian. The first two centuries before, Oh, yeah. Before we took and organized it into religion. In Nicaea, when it became a national institutionalized religion, there were those that were called the heretics, which identified with the heretics? Yeah. More than I did the the, those who organized it and made it into dogma and doctrine.
00:11:09:23 - 00:11:32:15
Speaker 2
But if you really read back at that time what they were all seeking was gnosis in the Greek, which is direct knowledge, not knowledge through a preacher, a priest or a rabbi, or through a church or a religion, but direct knowledge. And of course, that became at some point a threat to what was organizing. So they had to shut that down.
00:11:32:17 - 00:12:03:20
Speaker 2
And, that's where I think we get those who were seeking that way begin to take what they were learning and begin to write it and put it. And that's what we found hidden in the caves in 1945, was the Nag Hammadi, library. Right. The Gospel of Thomas and all of that, that didn't make it into the Bible, but now it's showing up because I think they were wise enough to know, you know, what, they're going to come along, they're going to suppress this, and they're going to change it.
00:12:03:22 - 00:12:24:23
Speaker 2
So let's let's leave a trail for those. But that generation that will come, and I think that generation really is the generation of after World War Two, around 1945. Then you have a couple more years later and you have the Dead Sea Scrolls. So you're starting to see a lot of suppressed knowledge and information. Begin to show up.
00:12:25:00 - 00:12:45:13
Speaker 2
But again, it's not to be made into another religion, but it is to be used as a tool to resonate our own innate intelligence. And that's what I love when some when I speak, the greatest compliment I can get from somebody who's waiting at the back of the of wherever I am, and they'll say to me, thank you for saying that.
00:12:45:15 - 00:13:01:21
Speaker 2
I was trying to. I was already getting that, but I didn't know how to say it. That tells me that what you got came from you, not me. I was just able to help you to, to bring it into your consciousness on an individual level.
00:13:01:23 - 00:13:19:00
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah, it's it's certainly a remembering, it reminds me of Ram Dass. You would talk about how it has these, you know, hypnotic audiences, and they're just listening, falling for 45 minutes. And then he would almost kind of break the barrier and go, how? Why are you guys all nodding? You know, how do you know this stuff?
00:13:19:03 - 00:13:32:08
Speaker 1
You know, and it's a lot of it is. That's how it is. You know. It is a remembering. It's it's it's almost, clearing the small stuff out of the way so that, yes, the bigger self, the bigger you, the bigger God, whatever it is, is shining through instead, you know.
00:13:32:10 - 00:14:05:11
Speaker 2
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That that's that's what I'm trying to that's the relationship I try to have with an audience of any kind. And, you know, even Buddha said, don't believe anything the first time you hear it. And I think we have to be careful about what we qualify as information into a belief system. And one of the things that I taught through my energy work and through my vibrational sound work, is that whatever you qualify into your belief system is the blueprint that fails.
00:14:05:11 - 00:14:21:02
Speaker 2
Read as they replicate themselves. Well, yeah. So people's got to change the blueprint. It's not just changing the knowledge, but it's what you qualified into your into your etheric blueprint that that's going to make the difference.
00:14:21:04 - 00:14:36:02
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah. So that reminds me, it just sparks, you know, Bruce Lipton in the epigenetics, conversation. So, I would love to explore a little bit of that. How do you understand epigenetics and, like, how certain genes express versus not expressing?
00:14:36:04 - 00:15:04:15
Speaker 2
Oh, that's my subject. Yeah. This all started with me in the 80s, around 86 and 87. I was, in a deep silent meditation time in which I was really, opening myself up to receive some direction where I was to go. And I heard formed in me the words doc, deoxyribonucleic acid. Well, and I still don't know how to say it.
00:15:04:17 - 00:15:25:04
Speaker 2
It just shows it wasn't in my intellectual at all. But I knew it was DNA. And, I won't go into the whole story, but but, the story is that after I heard that, I didn't know what to do with it, and it was kind of at the time that we were, cracking the code for the genetic, genome.
00:15:25:06 - 00:15:54:11
Speaker 2
And I remember President Clinton at that time getting on, say that we're very close now to having the genome completely completed. And I thought, that's interesting. That started about DNA. And then we went through the, the trial of, I can't think of his name, the football player and, and O.J. and constantly we heard about, DNA, at the DNA, work was going on, you know, with the words DNA was just everywhere.
00:15:54:13 - 00:16:19:01
Speaker 2
And I thought, oh, this is entering the collective consciousness somehow. So I just said, well, I don't know anything about it. I'm not a geneticist. I'm not a scientist. So that probably has nothing to do with me. Well, it wasn't a couple of weeks that I got this conference about unheard of in years. And so, David, I was told to call you and tell you that there is a teacher out here in California that's teaching DNA activation workshops.
00:16:19:03 - 00:16:23:15
Speaker 1
What do you mean? They were told, did they have they had like a, they heard something to you?
00:16:23:17 - 00:16:24:18
Speaker 2
Yeah. They were like.
00:16:24:18 - 00:16:25:13
Speaker 1
Like an intuition.
00:16:25:15 - 00:16:46:20
Speaker 2
Yeah. They just had this. I came up to them after all these years and, it was, Doctor Robert Gerard who was doing this while I thought, what? You can change DNA. I thought that was him. Stone. Yeah, but I got on the internet and they were having an intensive workshop in Scottsdale, Arizona, and I called a friend out there.
00:16:46:20 - 00:17:13:15
Speaker 2
So can I stay with you? And I went out there and took this intensive workshop, about DNA. And so we learned a lot about DNA. And several days it was an intense thing. And then we were given these, at that time, CDs that had these sounds that had been done by people who has observed people doing energy work from Reiki to whatever and DNA.
00:17:13:19 - 00:17:40:05
Speaker 2
And so we were, we were taught to go around and do DNA activations using these sounds in the background. Well, that's what started it with me. So at that time, I was, exposed to six different frequencies that had been taken out by the church in the 17th century called. So Fazio, which was sung in the chants of the church.
00:17:40:07 - 00:18:01:20
Speaker 2
But they were so powerful that they took them out, and they took out like the word. The first one was to point waxes in Latin, and they changed it with doe, and doe became a deer. And you have Julie Andrews, you know, with that kind of thing. So these frequencies had been brought back where one of them was five 28Hz.
00:18:01:22 - 00:18:23:14
Speaker 2
Now, you may have heard of that one because it's pretty popular and it's the heart love frequency of the so Fazio frequencies. And so I was going around doing these little DNA activation workshops that I had learned, and I thought, man, I gotta have that five 28Hz. Because I read that the gene as we're using it to repair DNA.
00:18:23:16 - 00:18:47:24
Speaker 2
And I thought, I've got to have that. Well, 528 to the brain, which generalizes would sound like a C, above a C on the piano. But that's not 528. It sounds like it, but it's not 528 it's a different frequency. So I thought, well, that won't work. Because something was telling me that to have exact frequency, you can't have a generalized frequency.
00:18:48:01 - 00:19:14:04
Speaker 2
So that's when I learned about this. So Fazio 528 and I thought, well, there's no instrument that plays that. We have nothing in the West at all because Western music is called 12 tone temperament, which is C to C, which is a closed octave, closed octave. So most of our music boxes are in, rather. And that's why we tend to go to eastern music for meditation or whatever, because it's not boxed in music.
00:19:14:04 - 00:19:38:03
Speaker 2
Right. So anyway, I got another call from somebody I hadn't heard of in a long time. And in the conversation they said to me, did you know that you could have any frequency made into a tuning fork that you want a tuning fork? All I know about a tuning fork is my folks had a piano, and they had a little guy come out with a tuning fork and, every year and would, you know, change it.
00:19:38:05 - 00:20:05:17
Speaker 2
But anyway, at that time, I learned that that 528 was a part of five other special frequencies and something that just order them all. And I'm telling you, it changed my life. When I got those sparks, I didn't know what to do with them. But anyway, the 528 was about DNA. And, when I got into the theory idea, I thought, wait a minute, we have ancestral DNA, but we also must have enough theory DNA above it.
00:20:05:19 - 00:20:37:10
Speaker 2
Well, I didn't know. Above in Latin means epi above, epi is above. Well, and then when I was so ready for Bruce Lipton, it was like, oh my God, thank you. Because everything he was doing was coming alive in me. And I thought, I'm tapping into epigenetics. So, you know, our ancestral affects is about 50%, but the other 50% is our choices, our attitudes, our thoughts, our food we eat.
00:20:37:15 - 00:21:10:19
Speaker 2
And that's epigenetics that we have this ability, to take responsibility of that type of thing. So anyway, I ended up getting down loans and how to teach, etheric DNA work with tuning forks. And I was blessed in Stanford, University to find a bio, genetic guy who was ready to give me the frequencies of all the all the DNA letters, of the a CGT alphabet of the DNA.
00:21:10:21 - 00:21:32:21
Speaker 2
So for 25 years, I've taught DNA activation, work. I still do it. I've taught people how to. I can go back and say that there is six generations back that is affecting some of the things you don't understand about yourself, because it's not yours, it's theirs. So we go back and rewind. That was generations back into that.
00:21:32:23 - 00:21:56:20
Speaker 2
Now I've sold that company. I don't have it anymore, but I still do the my, you know, my own work. But I sold it a few years ago to another couple that's carrying it on, but it's still me, you know, teaching all this stuff. And so I'm energetics. So then I ended up here in Charlotte with, as a leader of a spiritual community, a heart light spiritual community, as their spiritual leader.
00:21:56:22 - 00:22:25:03
Speaker 2
And now I've started this academy, and which is all my teachings that I've been doing all along. Now, you mentioned something while ago that I really, really want to visit, and that is the fact of adolescence and all that I've been teaching for years, that there are three stages of our spirituality babes, adolescents, co-creative adults. Okay. And I really got that from my Bible background.
00:22:25:03 - 00:22:54:15
Speaker 2
You know, I've spent years on the Bible, I wasn't a good fundamentalist at all. I was a rowdy one. I was always taken up things. But I remember that talks about and the babes in Christ, I'll give the sincere milk of the word. And then it says, I. When I became an adult, I put away my childish things, and then it says, until we grow, into the fullness of the stature being no more children, being tossed to and fro by the wind up doctor.
00:22:54:16 - 00:23:13:04
Speaker 2
But growing up in love, I thought, that's the thing that's been missing. As Christianity have never taught us growth. It's just get saved, wait for Jesus, go to heaven, blah blah blah. And again, they've taken out the process. So I start, I'm going to step in and be the process guy.
00:23:13:06 - 00:23:30:13
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. Wow. Okay. Do oh wow. What a great way to, to to like, zoom in on that. I really like that. I think that's brilliant. Yeah. They, they don't seem to teach growth. So what? Okay, I, I thought this for some time, and I've heard other people say it on, on podcasts and stuff, and it really makes me contemplate.
00:23:30:15 - 00:23:53:04
Speaker 1
Do you think that, there used to be some form of, tradition or coming of age, like, there's a lot of speculation that, back in the day, these people would do psychedelics, they would have some sort of ceremony and they would, you know, you by doing psychedelics, you lose connection with your old self. And you, you know, you have a new identity shift inevitably.
00:23:53:06 - 00:24:14:02
Speaker 1
And so, like, maybe there's a large portion of the Bible or what we call Christianity that's missing this whole section of maybe this ceremony, this religious tradition, this, we drink this ergot, or we take this psychedelic and we have some sort of journey, some sort of experience that brings us coming of age as a man or something.
00:24:14:04 - 00:24:18:20
Speaker 1
Do you think anything like that could be could be true, or have you stumbled upon things like that in your research?
00:24:18:22 - 00:24:41:16
Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, in my religion I was raised in, which was extremely fundamental Pentecostal. Right? I mean, really, I never fell for it, but I was raised in it. My my own aunt was my pastor. My uncle was the overseer of the, the denomination. So I was right in the middle of it. I was in it, but I wasn't other.
00:24:41:18 - 00:25:02:19
Speaker 2
But anyway, and our we taught is 12 years old. Is the age of accountability. And I think they got that probably the fact that Jesus was around 12 years old when he was in the square. Astounding. The physicians. But and this is the craziest doctrine because it meant that the minute I turn 12, I need to get saved.
00:25:02:19 - 00:25:29:10
Speaker 2
I'm going to hell up to 12, I'm covered now. That's what they believed. A little scary. Yeah. So that was that was the ceremony they went through is come down. Give your life to Jesus gets saved at 12 years old. That's the ceremony. Now, if you go back into more Catholicism and those kind of churches, they they you baptize the baby immediately because the baby can go to hell if it's not baptized.
00:25:29:12 - 00:25:57:20
Speaker 2
So everybody's got some kind of a traditional way into the kingdom. Oh, God on earth, that's different. And of course, indigenous people had their own ways, but it seems like it's innately in us to have this moment of crossing over from being a soul to being a soul in the human body, in the human story. So it's something that doesn't seem to be learned, but I think it's innately in people to do that.
00:25:57:22 - 00:26:38:05
Speaker 2
But again, I'm not sure it's the outer age or all of that. I think it's stages of consciousness that we're really dealing with here that people are missing. And I think people's been in Christianity for years and and never left the baby stage. They're still babies. And I think there's people that got stuck in adolescence, and I think there's very few that have grown up to take co-creative responsibility to realize that the creator is not going to do everything for me, but I'm going to work with creator to create a new heaven, a new earth, a new realm, a dimension on this earth.
00:26:38:11 - 00:26:47:10
Speaker 2
And that's why I think people are beginning to awaken to is new responsibility of entering into the process of destiny.
00:26:47:12 - 00:27:16:12
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah. I mean it really is this constant, you know in, in, in Zen or in Buddhism they talk about the beginner's mind. You know, you have to have those life experiences that bring you into the beginner's mind. And that's really what, what the awakening is, you know, the the fancy flashy awakening that we hear about of like, the initial like, whoa, I had this sudden kind of realization, which isn't the full story of the awakening as we've already discussed, but that is kind of like the, the, the recognition that pulls us out into recognizing that we need to go on a different path.
00:27:16:12 - 00:27:33:06
Speaker 1
We need to start listening to this different intuition. We need to make changes in our life that, that sort of thing. So you've probably come across a lot of people, in my notes, I had written down, kind of some different terminology of awakening. So I wrote, I think you had you use the term cellular awakening.
00:27:33:11 - 00:27:45:08
Speaker 1
And then I also just kind of wanted to bring in both spiritual awakening and Kundalini awakening. So are these would you treat these as different things, or are these all kind of like the same thing happening? We just use different language for.
00:27:45:10 - 00:28:18:08
Speaker 2
Yeah. Very good. When I say cellular awakening, what I believe is, for, for decades we have been very, attached to the within message. Go within meditation. Go within. Everything has been within, within, within. I think in the 80s, Shirley MacLaine made it, a big, impression on people who began to meditate. TM kind of made a revival from the 60s and people began to really rise.
00:28:18:08 - 00:28:47:03
Speaker 2
It's within. It's within. And you still hear that within. But I think that which was within is beginning to find frequencies and vibrations to not stay within, but begin to come out. In other words, I have had wonderful experiences by going deeply into myself. But you can do that through meditation. You can do that through certain drugs, or whatever, you know, that are available out there.
00:28:47:09 - 00:29:22:19
Speaker 2
And there's many ways that you can have these wonderful experiences within yourself, but that's not helping the world. Right. So what I think is people are beginning to have the experience of what's within them. Start coming out. And when they do it enters the cellular level. And therefore I've seen people, I've seen people I know in my group right now, they're having a real issue because we're starting to see a demonstration at the cellular level.
00:29:22:21 - 00:29:51:23
Speaker 2
In other words, we're not so about quiet all the time, but it's like people want to do something with their hands or their arms are even. There's a certain dance that is coming forth and people are moving and they're saying, what's happening to me? This is not me. You know, I thought serving God was required in our thing, and all of a sudden they're feeling all this where they live in the in the cells of their body.
00:29:52:00 - 00:30:14:00
Speaker 2
And I'm saying, because this is the coming of Christ, the other Christ is in me, Christ is in me. The divine is in me. The divine is in me. But when it comes to where you live, it starts changing all the frequencies, all the patterns of your humanity begin to change themselves. And that's the change that we're in.
00:30:14:05 - 00:30:42:16
Speaker 2
And unfortunately not, unfortunately. But fortunately, when that happens, we don't understand what's going and we get misdiagnosed. We think something's wrong with us. We run to the doctor and the doctor says, sometimes you're fine, but. But I'm not sleeping at night. Or my eating habits have changed, or I don't know where these addict moods are coming from, but what's happening is what's inside.
00:30:42:16 - 00:31:05:10
Speaker 2
Both not so good and good is coming out right? And people are experiencing it right where they live. And there's a place and, where it says that Jesus said, which maybe he did in the book of Thomas, he says, when the inner becomes the outer and the outer becomes the inner, up becomes down, down becomes up, male becomes female, and so on, so forth.
00:31:05:10 - 00:31:27:15
Speaker 2
Then you shall behold my kingdom upon the earth. So we got, we got. I keep teaching people, let this come out. Don't keep going in and visiting, visiting it. But once you've been visiting and enjoy inside of yourself, wants to manifest itself. And the church is called at the coming of the Lord, the coming of Jesus, the coming of Christ.
00:31:27:17 - 00:32:01:05
Speaker 2
But it's what's coming is inside of ourselves. And our cells are changing their frequency and their vibrations. The expanded, the electron is changing, the molecules are changing. And when the molecules start changing, and the science is quantum science has proven that if you watch a certain atom, like a, a hydrogen atom, and it's going to change into a lithium atom, that the first thing that it does, it's become unstable at the molecular level.
00:32:01:07 - 00:32:28:04
Speaker 2
And it goes into chaos. But and disorder. But what disorder? That was order. Because it can't become the next thing until it has lost the old pattern. And then they observed through the telescope that were out of that, chaos. One molecule comes over here and leaves all of that and becomes still. And then two.
00:32:28:06 - 00:32:55:03
Speaker 2
Now when two molecules come together, they create something greater than the sum of the parts, and they activate the law of attraction. So two becomes four, four becomes 16, and critical mass is reached. And when critical mass is reached, then it jumps to the next level of its evolution to become the next thing. Now, if that happens at the molecular level, what's happened at the human level?
00:32:55:05 - 00:33:17:24
Speaker 2
The same thing. So transformation begins with chaos. And I want people to understand that this is not something's wrong. How did I fail? I thought I thought serving God was going to be a wonderful experience. It's exactly what it's supposed to be. And you're here for that and you've been equipped for that to go through that.
00:33:18:01 - 00:33:43:03
Speaker 1
So. Okay, so what is it about the human experience? What is it about? Like, you know, us with this ego thing that, you know, a caterpillar, you spoke about caterpillar becoming a butterfly before it becomes absolute must in the in the cocoon. It just becomes complete mush. And, you know, as we're in the process of becoming complete mush and becoming a butterfly of our version, why is it that we hold on so tightly?
00:33:43:03 - 00:33:53:09
Speaker 1
Why do we like this? A there's a caterpillar into a butterfly. I have this no, I don't want to become mush, I refusing it, I want to stay the same. You know. Why do we have that?
00:33:53:11 - 00:34:23:06
Speaker 2
Well, it's it's it's something in our evolution. The thing about evolution that has served us to this point is our ability to adapt and survive, which we have done. We have survived, about 5 or 6 extinctions on this planet. We're in the sixth one right now. And we have gone through wars and famine and racism and slavery and and genocide and all that, and we've made it through that.
00:34:23:12 - 00:34:51:17
Speaker 2
Now, here's the thing. There's a line. I don't know where I got it, but I really like it. But it says, what blesses you in the beginning can betray you in the end. So what's happened is we become so accustomed to adapting, to things as they are that when something tries to change, it's not familiar to us, and we begin to resist it.
00:34:51:19 - 00:35:15:02
Speaker 2
And even though we say, I don't like where I am, I want to be somewhere else. When that starts happening, we tend to go back to what's familiar to us. And that's what I think is kind of the push and pull that is going on with with people right now. Now, I always make the statement that old caterpillar doesn't go through what it went through to be an enlightened to caterpillar.
00:35:15:04 - 00:35:42:19
Speaker 2
Yeah. And while we're going through is not to remain an enlightened homo sapiens which is an adolescent human, but we are to become the next level of our evolution. And therefore it takes that breaking down to happen. And I think that this is right on. I think people are asking who am I, where am I going with it?
00:35:42:22 - 00:36:05:18
Speaker 2
And these are very spiritual questions, I think, for people to explore, with themselves and to find out what what is going on. So I love the caterpillar thing. There is one place in the Bible I really do like a lot. And it says we shall not all sleep, but we shall be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye.
00:36:05:20 - 00:36:34:14
Speaker 2
And that word change in the Greek is metamorphosis. So it's not talking about changing something. It's talking about a complete transition and transformation into something completely different. Like the caterpillar becomes the butterfly and the word moment there doesn't mean in a moment, but it is the Greek word atomos, which we get the word atom from. So it says we're going to be transformed all the way to the atoms of our body.
00:36:34:16 - 00:36:58:09
Speaker 2
This thing about the Bible, you've got to break it down. It's not English. One of the first awakening points I had when I started ministry at 17 years old was nobody in the Bible spoke English. I thought, where did that come from? Because I thought the Bible, God spoke English, Jesus spoke English, and I thought none of them spoke English.
00:36:58:09 - 00:37:25:05
Speaker 2
So what did they say? So I started looking into Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew and finally Sanskrit. And I said, this is not what they said at all. What the Bible says. So I started talking about that and people started listening to me, and I kind of developed a little following of people who wanted to know and whatever. So that was, an awakening point for, for me.
00:37:25:09 - 00:37:44:09
Speaker 2
Well, of course, that awakening point was a bliss because I thought I had it all figured out in my belief system. I thought, because the Bible said this, I believe that. And then when I looked it up in the context of the language and the culture, it didn't say that at all. So I had to change my whole belief system all over again.
00:37:44:11 - 00:37:47:09
Speaker 2
And so I've done that many times, by the way.
00:37:47:11 - 00:38:17:10
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, I always find it interesting when I have kind of new, you know, I, I elevate my wisdom or my way of looking at the same thing that I used to look at in a different way. It's I was like, man, how did I how did I believe that for so long? Or, and then you kind of observe other people, you're like, wow, you have a whole you have you react in your life to, you know, a an incorrect belief system, so to say, like, I, you kind of wonder, how did you get that out of reading that, you know, it's very ancient.
00:38:17:10 - 00:38:35:14
Speaker 1
And then I also kind of, I, I don't really understand how people could just trust, like, all right, I read it and it's been translated through all these different languages and through these different people and through word of mouth for a lot of it. And then they just read it like it's just word for word. Every single word that's translated to English is, is like God's Word.
00:38:35:14 - 00:38:54:06
Speaker 1
And so I yeah, I don't know, I don't get how you it's very exciting for me to read those and want to explore them more like okay, what did that mean in that time, like you said, what did that mean in that language in their, you know, in their history. So yeah. Okay. So, I would love to kind of zoom, zoom a little bit back, if you will.
00:38:54:06 - 00:39:17:02
Speaker 1
David. I would like to go. So we've mentioned a few times already that you spent a lot of your years as, in ministry. So I would love to kind of jump back and ask you kind of about your young years, in spirituality and, and kind of what your experience was like young and then maybe leading up to your kind of awakening into changing there.
00:39:17:02 - 00:39:59:14
Speaker 2
Yeah, sure. I consider myself someone who, I could really get into some things that I'm going to try to hit the right points. I like to say I had a different rapport with time and space from the very beginning, and it was something I didn't learn because what I was learning in my tribal first chakra family was not at all what was happening inside of me, but at a very young age, I knew that I had somehow a different direction of life than what I was being shown at that time.
00:39:59:16 - 00:40:38:22
Speaker 2
I questioned everything, why did I do that? I ask my higher self, whoever won the lesson. And they said to me, because there is a critical mass of souls who have been born consciously. And I thought, what does that mean? Well, this got pretty deep into there. But what I said is there is a certain amount of souls who have incarnated through a different portal than the portal that most people incarnate into 3D world, and oh my gosh, this took me back to the beginning with the Elohim.
00:40:38:23 - 00:41:00:13
Speaker 2
You know, when it says in the beginning, God, there's no word. God there in the real translation. That's from the Greek. That's from the German word for good. Good that we got this word God good was too gradual for us. So we said, God, but it's really the Elohim which is God's little g male. And it was a group.
00:41:00:15 - 00:41:18:04
Speaker 2
So this group came down out of the sky and, and, began to mess with DNA and all kinds of I'm not going to get it all that. But then it gets there's a whole story there. If you look deep enough into the Bible. That's key to for don't fool the Bible. Well, because it's coded. We haven't even understood it yet.
00:41:18:04 - 00:41:58:04
Speaker 2
Why do you want to throw it away when it's so coded deeply? But you got to get past all the many translations and man's insertion of this doctrines and doctrinal dogmas to get to it, whatever. But when these algorithms came, they were the true representatives of the creator, let's say. But as creator changed its frequencies and got more dense and more dense and got to Earth as representatives of itself collectively, it when it hit the Earth.
00:41:58:06 - 00:42:02:18
Speaker 2
The thing about the Earth, it's a free will planet.
00:42:02:20 - 00:42:36:06
Speaker 2
That's why it's some of the hottest real estate that's in the galaxy. And the universe is the Earth, because it's free will. And when they got here, they chose to not represent the true creator, but to become the creator. So they usurped the creator to become it. And but not all of them. Part of them says, we are not going to follow the darker Elohim, and therefore they were banished from the earth into the star systems like planets and so on.
00:42:36:06 - 00:43:18:10
Speaker 2
So which is in the Bible, ladies and all that. Orion is in the Bible, and we know that 80% of what makes up our atoms is star stuff. Anybody can look that up and check that out. But you're made of star. We're starseed people. So they were banned out of the planet until 2000 years ago. One of the light yellow kings made it into the planet called Yeshua our Jesus, and created a new way and portal for us to incarnate and not be dumbed down by the technology that was being used on the earth to dumbed down people so that they didn't get it while they were still in the physical body.
00:43:18:12 - 00:43:19:18
Speaker 2
I know this it gets crazy.
00:43:19:18 - 00:43:20:17
Speaker 1
I'm very interested to.
00:43:20:17 - 00:43:47:04
Speaker 2
Hear that that that's the story that I'm for. It's there for anybody. If you want to dig into it and look into it. So I believe that a lot of us have incarnated, without being dumbed down, that we come in with some memory. This isn't right. This world as it is, is not my home. I don't fit here.
00:43:47:06 - 00:44:07:14
Speaker 2
Right? And I guarantee the people out there that's listening to us, that are part of that are feeling that they may not understand it, but they're going, that's me. I've always been the weird one in the family I never followed, what my siblings followed are my my parents. That's a good thing, because it shows you that you're here with purpose to be here on the planet.
00:44:07:16 - 00:44:28:20
Speaker 2
All we have to do is just remember who we are and reach that critical mass. You know, the 100th monkey story style thing. So when we reach that, we will we will call this cause this shift to take place. But I do believe that when Jesus said, I'm the way he's telling my teachings is the way, not me.
00:44:28:20 - 00:44:57:05
Speaker 2
Don't serve and worship me. The man, he didn't come here for that. He came here with a message that hadn't been dumbed down. And that message is the message of gnosis and and the church is so busy worshiping him that they really don't get into his teachings. And they took out that 18 years of his teachings, that is part of our process of getting back to where we can remember, why am I here?
00:44:57:07 - 00:45:00:02
Speaker 2
What is my purpose? To be here?
00:45:00:04 - 00:45:04:13
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I always wonder the 18 years you.
00:45:04:13 - 00:45:04:24
Speaker 2
Asked.
00:45:04:24 - 00:45:19:06
Speaker 1
Me. Yeah. Hey. No, I love it. I it's very wonderful, very interesting. I feel like there's a million other things that I could ask. Okay, so you you certainly were, you know, born awake, born conscious, as you say. Right? Is that we say born conscious.
00:45:19:08 - 00:45:20:21
Speaker 2
So, you know.
00:45:20:23 - 00:45:40:18
Speaker 1
So at what point did you start, you know, because I'm sure there was a good amount of, at least through your young years that the, the teachings that your family and the, the, the, the Jesus things that you were learning around you probably did make sense. What was kind of the changing point for you, where they started to like the teachings in that book, just match.
00:45:40:19 - 00:45:41:05
Speaker 1
I love that.
00:45:41:05 - 00:46:02:03
Speaker 2
Question. Thank you. Yeah. First of all, when I was five years old, I would go visit my grandma on the farm, right. And I found myself preaching to the cows. Nice. And I would preach the old Bessie and I'd say, Bessie, get that lipstick off or you're going to hell. Now that's what I'd heard in church. See, that's all I knew.
00:46:02:05 - 00:46:31:03
Speaker 2
And Bessie would look at me and go, no, like I'm not a sinner. Don't be putting me in the hell. And it planted something in my mind. Maybe we're not the sinners they said we are. Maybe we learn to be the sinners that they are. But what actually happened to me was around 17 years old, and I was, drawn to, an event that was happening in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
00:46:31:05 - 00:46:57:11
Speaker 2
It was a literally a movement that happened. It was an eight week revival that was going on down the street from my church. And I would pass there and I thought, what is going on in this place? I mean, there was cars everywhere every night. And, so I went and snuck into this place. Now, I did not want to be known because I was known as my aunt's nephew of the piano player.
00:46:57:14 - 00:47:17:23
Speaker 2
So I kind of got in the back, and this preacher was preaching 90 miles an hour and carrying on, and my neighbor and there was maybe 800 people in there. It was huge. And all of a sudden he just stopped, walked down the aisle and looked right at me and says, God just said to me, he sent you here today.
00:47:17:23 - 00:47:43:11
Speaker 2
Do you want what God has for you? And I'm going around, who is he talking to? And I realized it was me. And I said, well, yes, sure. He said, we'll come up here. And I started down the aisle and I never made it to him. Something came over me and knocked me on the floor. It was like 220, hit a 110.
00:47:43:11 - 00:48:17:19
Speaker 2
Bobby couldn't handle it, and I laid on the floor on that floor. And I won't go into all of it. And some of this is in my books. But I laid there and got three visions that changed my life. Now I went down a skinny, introverted kid dealing with a lot of issues of my difference. But when I got up, this voice boomed out of me and people started listening to me and asking me to come to their church and to all these things.
00:48:17:24 - 00:48:49:01
Speaker 2
And I began a ministry at 17 years old, where I pastored my first church when I was 19, in Montgomery, Alabama, during the race riots of that time. And that was about 64 years ago that I started that. And I've never stopped and I've continued to grow. I've continued to challenge a lot of traditional religion with love because I know where people are, I know where they need to be, and they need to be there until they're not.
00:48:49:03 - 00:49:11:14
Speaker 2
So I'm not out to convert people to anything, but I think there are those that are a level to hear this message that, I and others are really bringing right now, to do that. But that's how it started. And to this day, I can just open my mouth and get up. And I don't organize sermons, I don't prepare, I don't rehearse, I just get up.
00:49:11:14 - 00:49:36:08
Speaker 2
And spirit just speaks through me. I just constantly channel. But I call my higher self. And it's been a very good, successful thing that I do now on the Academy. For instance, we have Bible 101 classes, so I try to meet people where they are and teach them what does the means? Thin. What is hell? Me first book I ever wrote was Hell yes or Hell No.
00:49:36:10 - 00:49:59:20
Speaker 2
So I've tried to meet people there and then I've got other things for people that are more adolescent. They're out of that, but they're not quite into the more mature teachings, and they're kind of in between there. So we're trying to meet everybody along my path that I've made that might be kind of looking to find, support, you know, on the path that they're on in that, in that way like that.
00:49:59:24 - 00:50:24:17
Speaker 2
But yes, 64 years ago I started being a full time minister, and I need to write a book. I've had a lot of experiences. I've never joined a religion. I've never joined an organization. I've never been a part of a denomination. I have totally just walked and trusted. God universe, whatever you want to call it. And it has been with me right to this point that I am today.
00:50:24:19 - 00:50:45:00
Speaker 1
Wow, that's so fascinating. I didn't I didn't realize that story. I didn't know about that. That is so cool to hear. Oh. What an incredible, you know, invitation into the into the life that you've lived. I mean, really kind of a an initiation into into purpose. That that was one of my questions for you was, kind of like, what is purpose in in, like, how are you living through purpose?
00:50:45:02 - 00:50:48:04
Speaker 1
And I feel like, like you've already answered that question.
00:50:48:04 - 00:50:51:13
Speaker 2
You know what I mean? It's up to you, but it's living me. I'm not living it.
00:50:51:15 - 00:50:52:23
Speaker 1
Living through you like.
00:50:53:03 - 00:50:54:07
Speaker 2
It's living through your name.
00:50:54:12 - 00:51:09:22
Speaker 1
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Okay, so I'm really fascinated. Curious. Have you heard of the. There's a spiritual teacher. He's pretty popular on YouTube, but he is an author. He's written a book. His name is Aaron AB Ki. Have you heard of his name?
00:51:10:00 - 00:51:11:12
Speaker 2
I don't recognize that name around.
00:51:11:17 - 00:51:32:09
Speaker 1
So he was, He was a pastor's kid from a young age. And he was teaching ministries from a very young age. And then, he started having some questions and then started reading some more eastern, eastern psych psychology, started exploring different theology outside of just like his one religion. And he had kind of these awakening experiences.
00:51:32:11 - 00:51:53:18
Speaker 1
And now I find that he bridges, I feel for me, he's helped me bridge a lot of the Western and Eastern ways of understanding things like, oh, yeah, they're talking about the same thing. And this is just another brilliant way to put it and all that sort of stuff. And it's in on top of that. I'm really drawn to, you know, Alan Watts did a great, great work of bridging those two gaps in that sort of stuff.
00:51:53:20 - 00:52:11:04
Speaker 1
So I guess I kind of curious where you see that that bridge happening. Not only in like, your own teachings, but just kind of in the, in the modern times, like this, this connection between Western and Eastern like arena pop out on the other side with just a, an understanding of kind of the whole thing or.
00:52:11:06 - 00:52:13:04
Speaker 1
No. Where do you see that going?
00:52:13:06 - 00:52:34:24
Speaker 2
Okay. You just ask the right questions. Thank you. Okay. A scripture that comes to mind. In fact, it's one of my slogans that I use at the center is who shall stand in the gap and make up the hedge? Oh, now we're living in a world that's dying, but a world that is not falling stabilized itself.
00:52:35:01 - 00:53:11:03
Speaker 2
The 3D systems are all like the caterpillar going to mush. It really is. I don't care if it's financial, educational, political, religious, medical. Everything is like the caterpillar going to mush and and going into a state of disorder. But the new systems that are trying to come in which the Bible calls the kingdoms of this world, you know, the kingdom should be systems of this world, has not really stabilized itself.
00:53:11:05 - 00:53:51:05
Speaker 2
So we're living between two worlds. That means we've got to have those who are instructing us, empowering us and directing us. Who are in between, and who will stand in the gap. And the names that you were mentioning are those. And I'm trying to do the same thing. That's why I still use the Christian language. I still will throw in Scripture while I'm talking Buddhism, I will talk and Kabbalah, but I'll use scripture because I tried to bring everybody back to where they've been at the same time, where they're going, but where they are right now in this gap between the worlds.
00:53:51:07 - 00:54:11:23
Speaker 2
So I really admire those who have not totally cut the past out, because a lot of people need to be reached who are in that level. So, that's that's my intent is to be able to use the language of three D with A5D vibration, our frequency to and.
00:54:12:00 - 00:54:29:11
Speaker 1
Yeah. Nice. Okay. So I do want to go back towards, so I want to go back towards tuning forks and frequency and those sorts of things. So a little bit of my background just to fill you in, I've been a pay DJ for 14 years. I do a bit of musician myself. So I have I'm an audio engineer.
00:54:29:13 - 00:54:51:08
Speaker 1
So, so I, I have my levels of understanding with, with music and frequencies and, you know, we have this thing, in one of the programs I use is called the Camelot Wheel. And, it's essentially like a different wheel of keys, and it's, you know, it's the color wise, it's the same hue, like, you know, your hue color selector and any old thing, it's the same sort of thing.
00:54:51:08 - 00:55:11:02
Speaker 1
And it correlates, you know, the different keys hit this different color, which correlates to the different emotional loads of things. And I bridge the gap with, you know, our chakra systems, you know, our different color chakras systems simplified. Not always like, you know, you play the red one, it always activates, root chakra feeling in you. But there is some, some truth in that.
00:55:11:02 - 00:55:38:07
Speaker 1
And I've, I've witnessed it on dance floors that I've, I've built hour long journeys and those sorts of things and, and, you know, I've brought people in dancing and ecstatic dances to places 45 minutes in that, like they just couldn't have gotten there without this, this bridge. So to say, I guess from starting from the very beginning, you know, and when I'm building those sets, you know, I'll be at home when I'm just trying to gather ideas and get samples and songs.
00:55:38:09 - 00:55:58:15
Speaker 1
And I feel very, very intuitive when I'm building those sets. It's almost like, projecting myself into that room, like, what do these people need? Who's going to be in this room? What's going to work through them? It's it's really fun. I mean, it's such a oh, I love it. Yeah, it's it's such a fascinating experience. So I think I, I kind of wonder to throw that back towards you.
00:55:58:17 - 00:56:24:14
Speaker 1
I kind of wonder. I don't know if you see yourself as, like a, an artist or a musician much, but, I kind of see you as that way. I wonder, like with your tuning forks, do you have an intuitive kind of, like, thing that comes through for you? That's like building something for other people? That's kind of, using these found in these frequencies as ways of like, okay, like, I guess what do you see yourself as a bit of a shaman in some sort of ways at all.
00:56:24:14 - 00:56:26:01
Speaker 1
When you when you use your tuning fork.
00:56:26:05 - 00:56:55:10
Speaker 2
I'll take that. All right. Yeah, yeah. Call me what you will. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's that's an interesting thing. I think I'd like to start with the fact that, when I was a young man, I mentioned my aunt was my pastor, and she had this wonderful kind of bluesy, jazzy voice. Oh, nice. And she would take me over to the African American church on Saturday night when they would do these radio broadcasts, and she would sing.
00:56:55:12 - 00:57:25:09
Speaker 2
And when I would listen to the singing, I thought, one is different. The way they sing amazing Grace, and we sing it as white people. Yeah. They were using more black notes, more, more dissonant type notes, and it just resonated with me. And I sat there and I thought, I want to know this. So, I, I hired a little girl from Paradise Baptist to come and teach me.
00:57:25:11 - 00:57:45:15
Speaker 2
Now, I was playing piano for my aunt by ear. I had no lessons but one. One Sunday, my aunt, who was up preaching and then lost her piano player, spun around on her six inch heels and pointed to me. I was ten years old, said David, you're going to be my piano player. And my dad had taught me A, B, F, and G.
00:57:45:16 - 00:58:14:13
Speaker 2
That's all I knew. And I went to the piano. I loved her so much she started singing When the Saints Go Marching In and my fingers start flying. So I learned to play that kind of gospel. But the, the, the black gospel thing really caught my ear. And I learned to play enough of that. That very church hired me as their organist for for $25 a week, which in 1962 wasn't too bad.
00:58:14:15 - 00:58:21:13
Speaker 2
And by the way, this church was in Tulsa, in Greenwood. If you know the Greenwood Massacre story.
00:58:21:15 - 00:58:22:11
Speaker 1
I'm unfamiliar.
00:58:22:11 - 00:58:52:09
Speaker 2
Yeah. 1901 was one of the worst massacres of Black Wall Street was in Tulsa. It's hardly talked about, but it's now coming out. What went on? And there I was in the middle of all of that. Well, so I became very interested, in that kind of music. To make a long story short, I ended up traveling with Mahalia Jackson, who was the you're young, but she was the gospel queen of, gospel music, back in those days.
00:58:52:11 - 00:59:15:14
Speaker 2
And so I ended up more in that culture of music and liked it. I still am, I still do it. Still, sometimes it just comes out in me, and I do those those kind of, things like that. So I have no training in music whatsoever, but I play by ear and I just can do what I do other than I don't do what I do.
00:59:15:20 - 00:59:22:21
Speaker 2
But as I said earlier, the thing about Western music is called 12 tone temperament. Are you familiar with that?
00:59:22:23 - 00:59:24:17
Speaker 1
A little bit a little bit, okay.
00:59:24:22 - 00:59:51:17
Speaker 2
All right. If you go all the see to see white black note, you go 12. So, full octave is 12, and then you box it in, you close it. Well, what's happened now that's so fascinating is we've gone back to Pythagoras. Who said and and looked up into the heavens and the skies and said, how do I get to heaven, to earth, speaking of the stars and whatever?
00:59:51:19 - 01:00:02:10
Speaker 2
And it came to this genius idea. Let's not close the octave. So when he didn't close the octave, he found the spiral.
01:00:02:12 - 01:00:29:03
Speaker 2
Of the. Yeah, the atmosphere of of everything. And we know now that, NASA has found out there that's not empty space, but it is sound coming off of moons and planets and whatever, that everything is connected by vibration and sound out there. So he brought heaven to earth in the music of the spheres, it's called. Anybody can look it up and find find his work.
01:00:29:05 - 01:00:40:04
Speaker 2
So he's a great player in a lot of this new idea of using more dissonant sounds than just linear.
01:00:40:06 - 01:00:41:24
Speaker 1
A, B, c, d, c.
01:00:41:24 - 01:00:59:09
Speaker 2
D, e, f, g. But he began to put in these unusual sounds that was bringing in higher sounds of planets and and whatever. Well, that fascinated me, and I connected that to this. So, Fazio, have you heard of. So Fazio?
01:00:59:11 - 01:01:00:16
Speaker 1
I've heard of. So. Fazio. Yes.
01:01:00:22 - 01:01:36:13
Speaker 2
Yeah. Okay. So the. So Fazio to me are bridge between Pythagoreans. Comma. Pythagoreans comma is the space of the overshoot of the octave, in which there's a little bit of space there, and it's in that space that we find the spiral. Because the universe is a vortex and spiral. That's why we are attracted to chakras, chakras, because they spiral and they connect us to the bigger spirals of the universe itself.
01:01:36:19 - 01:02:07:12
Speaker 2
They are many universes in us that we can deal with. I mean, the Tuckers are taking too much. You got to really realize the power of chakra are amazing. It's an amazing thing. So, anyway, unfortunately, Western music, like, everything, came along. Rockefeller in them and all of them, they change the 444 to 440 a and they did it on purpose.
01:02:07:12 - 01:02:34:02
Speaker 2
I hate to say it, but they did it for the fact of keeping people limited and boxed in through the music. And that's what happened to me when I heard the black gospel music. It wasn't boxed in music. Now I'm shooting forward later and getting into more new agey whatever. And I started meditating. I could not meditate to Western music, but if I heard something that was eastern.
01:02:34:04 - 01:03:03:05
Speaker 2
I could do it. And most people do. If you think about it, go in New Age, go more toward eastern time, sounds more Hindu more or whatever. Now the idea of the Kundalini just merely means that we have not used the supply of energy that we've been given for a lifetime because we stay in survival mode, and therefore that energy has been pulled down through the crown and ends up at the coccyx.
01:03:03:07 - 01:03:30:11
Speaker 2
And that's one thing that I was given to teach people through tuning forks. I had three frequencies of tuning forks to activate the coccyx, to connect people's personal energy field to a universal energy field. So it was like taking there because I I'm teaching a class right now called in a jazz currency. So sometimes we don't have enough beyond survival to manifest what we want.
01:03:30:13 - 01:03:54:04
Speaker 2
So I marched people down to the world Bank, central bank, where all the money is, and we withdraw it. And then through the chakras we distributed into the energy anatomy body. And this gives us more abundance of energy to, to work with, to create and to manifest with in that way. So that's what kind of leaning is kind of means to me.
01:03:54:07 - 01:04:02:23
Speaker 2
I know that's an eastern term, but actually it is about the energy that is at the coccyx level that we have not used.
01:04:03:00 - 01:04:20:21
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, I like your emphasis on it, on it having been stuck in it. Like when it comes out, it's the Kundalini experience. I was kind of curious if you can. I was thinking of, you know, if anybody's listening or watching that is kind of unfamiliar with any sort of energy work or Reiki or, you know, maybe even they don't know much about yoga or any of this sort of stuff.
01:04:20:23 - 01:04:43:12
Speaker 1
Could you what is it like when you, I mean, you've now passed it down, but when you were the person doing these, these healings and you're actually using your forks and you have them in your hand and things like that, what's going on? Like person to person, you know, I've seen videos of, you know, bodies moving around and people having, you know, tears coming down and that sort of thing.
01:04:43:12 - 01:04:45:09
Speaker 1
Is it a bit like that?
01:04:45:11 - 01:05:15:05
Speaker 2
It can be everybody's different. Everybody responds very differently. But I'm working totally in the body. I never touch the physical body. Physical body is totally a fact I'm working in cause I'm working in that blueprint. And that's the thing that's beautiful about energy work like that, that people just don't get is that we know now that every disease that's coming into the physical body is in the authoring blueprint, nine months to a year before it gets there.
01:05:15:07 - 01:05:40:00
Speaker 2
So I've taught people how to use the tuning forks and listen to them and feel where there's blockages in certain aspects of the body. That's connected to that chakra. So let's say it ends up in the first chakra. Well, that means something from conception to 6 or 7 years old has not been balanced somewhere in that person's unconscious part of them.
01:05:40:02 - 01:06:04:10
Speaker 2
So we we intuitively can find that by, by experience and learning, you, you know, it's not just going to a workshop and learning something. You got to practice it. You got to cultivate it. It becomes an art to you. And I've taught people all over the world, we had teachers all over the world. They're still out there, that, that teach this, this method.
01:06:04:12 - 01:06:34:18
Speaker 2
But if it's already in the physical, then we can find where the root of it is in the theory part of the body that's connected to that chakra. So then we go in with these combination of special frequencies and learn how to create an environment where the person, if they're ready to release, if we don't make people release things that are not ready for, but we create the environment for them to let it go.
01:06:34:22 - 01:07:02:08
Speaker 2
If it's not serving them any longer. So I never disempowering anybody by saying I'm the healer. I'm the one out here doing this. I'm just facilitating what inside you that has gotten stuck and that you're not connected to. And this is the the wonderful thing about vibration. I think tuning forks is the perfect example of pure vibration. It has no emotion to it.
01:07:02:10 - 01:07:27:04
Speaker 2
You know, I hear songs and I have an emotion. I'll thank who I was breaking up with, who I was falling in love with, who were not a tuning fork. You just hold a tuning fork and it's just pure raw vibration. And I see them as keys to the kingdom. When Jesus gave Peter the keys, David played the keys that drove the evil things from Saul called the keys of David.
01:07:27:06 - 01:07:46:17
Speaker 2
I believe this is aphasia where the keys. And that's why the church took them out by the 17th century, because it was the key to open us from mankind to God, kind of our own identity as the divine made individualized in the human story. Wow.
01:07:46:19 - 01:07:57:22
Speaker 1
Wow. Okay. What is. Yeah, I know, I feel like I've sparked with so many fascinating questions about amazing, what are the what are the tuning forks made out of? Actually, what's with this? What is the material?
01:07:57:24 - 01:08:19:04
Speaker 2
They're mostly alloy, which is very important because there's a lot of cheap ones out there that are tinny and they're not alloy, but, alloy actually came from another planet, so it's one of the most strong, wonderful things for pure vibration that there is in my research of that. So it's very important. We had the best, we pay a little bit more.
01:08:19:04 - 01:08:37:07
Speaker 2
We were more expensive than others and others have got China's got a bunch of them down. Now, when I started with, there's very few of us that had it, but now they're everywhere. You can get them from other countries, but they are so cheaply tinny. Whatever. So you want the best? I think. Which is alloy.
01:08:37:09 - 01:08:41:06
Speaker 1
Right? Yeah. I'm sure at this point, if you hear a cheap one, it probably really stands out.
01:08:41:08 - 01:08:42:12
Speaker 2
Like and like.
01:08:42:14 - 01:09:02:10
Speaker 1
Yeah, I definitely, I was so I would also love to ask a little bit more about, the spiritual community that, that you live in. Just for, for, for a quick intro on that, my, my curiosity comes from, I've been a meditator for probably eight years now, and I've had an opportunity to go to a good handful of meditation retreats, and I just I just love them.
01:09:02:10 - 01:09:16:16
Speaker 1
I mean, they're just, who doesn't love meditation retreat. Right? But, just being around so many people where you can have spiritual discussions and you're kind of away from the hustle and bustle and, you know, typically when I'd go to retreats, you know, I've, I'm on some sort of vacation from work. So I've set aside that time.
01:09:16:16 - 01:09:25:06
Speaker 1
So it has that too, and of course too, but to I would love to just kind of like learn more about your, your spiritual community and kind of like what, what life is like for you guys. There.
01:09:25:08 - 01:09:54:11
Speaker 2
Yeah. Heart light, spiritual center. If anybody's interested to check it out, it's heart light. Charlotte.org. We have a beautiful place. I took it over eight years ago. I was brought in as a speaker, and the minister said, you just got to come here and be a part of this. We want you. And so I moved from Columbus, Ohio, to Charlotte, and it did not work well working together.
01:09:54:11 - 01:10:21:01
Speaker 2
It was just didn't work out. So she bowed out and I ended up with it. And so I redid the whole place and redid everything and started over again and made it heart light. Spiritual center. It's it's we have Sunday morning services at 11. It's a very diverse group of people. Everything is diverse. The music is diverse, the teachings are diverse, and a lot goes on there.
01:10:21:01 - 01:10:49:19
Speaker 2
That's that's wonderful. I do a Wednesday morning class every Wednesday. We do qigong, and, we do that. We also just built an oasis with a heart shaped collaborative tent, meditation gardens and whatever. And so there's just a lot of my teachings on there. And if anybody's interested in heart light charlotte.org, you can get all my on my videos and things like that there.
01:10:49:21 - 01:11:14:22
Speaker 2
But I'm really trying to direct people to the, Spiritual Awakening Academy Academy for spiritual awakening, because that's where the teachings are that I'm trying to leave as my legacy. I just turned 80 years old, and, I've been a great for 80. Thank you. For 64 years, I'm, like, thinking you know, things in the next year or 2nd May.
01:11:14:24 - 01:11:25:01
Speaker 2
May change. And I want to settle down and probably just do work online. I want to get my own podcast. By the way, how do you like this? Name a podcast from Cindy's, then?
01:11:25:03 - 01:11:27:08
Speaker 1
Oh, I like it, I like that. That's good, I think.
01:11:27:08 - 01:11:44:23
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. Standards. And so, that's kind of my plan. And so I want to leave this legacy of all my major teachings that I have on the Academy, and there's a lot on there that's free that people can get if they want to check, check it out. Okay. That'd be great. And we'll give you all that information.
01:11:44:23 - 01:11:47:01
Speaker 2
So you'll. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
01:11:47:03 - 01:11:54:01
Speaker 1
Anybody, anybody listening right now or watching, you know, that those links are down below. I've included those in the Bios so they can just click on that wonderful.
01:11:54:01 - 01:11:56:06
Speaker 2
Thank you so much for that I appreciate yeah.
01:11:56:06 - 01:12:17:19
Speaker 1
Of course. Okay. Well, so here's a here's a strange question for you. What do you have got? So if someone is interested in your academy, what what would be kind of your, your elevator pitch on it. Like, say they they didn't know much about you and they hadn't just listened to this whole conversation between us. What what is it and what do you have to sell, you know?
01:12:17:21 - 01:12:45:17
Speaker 2
Well, first of all, again, it's my legacy. And I think that people who are on a path I've been I've been there. So I think they'll find their where they are on the academy. So I want to support them where they are. Maybe they're not, you know, I have some pretty far out stuff on the academy, but maybe it's somebody that's just come out of religion in the church, and they're still wrestling with some of the dogma that's still in them that they haven't quite figured out.
01:12:45:19 - 01:13:16:00
Speaker 2
Maybe they stay. I don't believe in hell, but deep down they're wondering, well, maybe. Is there still one? So I'm trying to give people the knowledge to understand, because the truth will make them free. Right? And sometimes people say they're free, but they've come out of religion, but religion hadn't come out of them. So before you get into chakras and you get into this deeper, it's varied stuff I'm talking about, you might find yourself there that some people are way down the line somewhere, so there's something for them.
01:13:16:03 - 01:13:41:23
Speaker 2
So I'm kind of leading my, my footsteps that I've taken, that maybe others might find a way that I can be a blessing to them, because I didn't sometimes have anybody some of the things I've been a real pioneer. I'm a true sagittarian, but I am a hi there. I've just gone out there with nobody to support me, nobody to say, yeah, you're right or whatever.
01:13:41:23 - 01:14:08:15
Speaker 2
I've just launched it. And so I think it's important if you stop and think about, inner states. At one time they were just pathways and they were dirt roads and they were on there. But thank God for those who went before us and made a way so we can do things easier. And that's my desire of the academy, that people will find it easier to grow and to mature and to get some, maybe answers to some of the questions that they still have that's holding them back.
01:14:08:17 - 01:14:28:14
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah. Brilliant. Wow. That's so good. Yeah. It reminds me I have this, this line from a poem that's, like leader. A leader catches cobwebs in his mouth and says nothing. And then I was also thinking about, like you're saying, you're a pioneer. Oftentimes, I feel for myself. I resonate with that a little bit. I, I call myself a bulldozer sometimes, you know?
01:14:28:14 - 01:14:45:15
Speaker 1
Yeah. Not in a derogatory way. Times. Yeah. Sometimes I do feel like, I'm out there with the machete, and I'm just like, I don't really know exactly where I'm headed, but I got to trust it. And you'll see, I think. I think we'll see. You know? Yeah. So I think there's people at the edges that are trying to, like, guide people into something that intuitively feels right for them.
01:14:45:15 - 01:15:01:16
Speaker 1
And, you know, I really like what you said about, you know, they'll find something on their path within all this, all these years of work and all this information, this wealth of knowledge that you have to offer. I think it's it's pretty likely to say there's probably something in there for anybody who's kind of poking their head into this.
01:15:01:18 - 01:15:19:16
Speaker 2
Oh, my books are on there. You can get my books. There's just a lot of things to look at. So anybody just interested, there's kind of a free, thing of, samples that they can they can just check it out and maybe, you know, maybe it's for me. Maybe I should know more. Maybe not. So.
01:15:19:18 - 01:15:39:15
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah. Well, amazing. We are getting up here in time, David. I will again. I'll click all of those links and everything down below, and everybody will know where to, where to find it. And they can stay in touch with you if they'd like to. As we turn the corner and we, we come to turn the page, I wanted to ask you if there's anything that feels left unsaid.
01:15:39:15 - 01:15:45:13
Speaker 1
Is there anything at the tip of your tongue or anything that you kind of wanted to mention today that comes up that you'd like to throw it?
01:15:45:15 - 01:16:11:22
Speaker 2
Yeah. Well, if we ever do this again, I'd like to get on contracts and agreements made previously to your incarnation, because there's, a great, activation going on right now. Contracts we have forgotten that we have made. That's going to change and transform people's lives. So that's, an area that I think people can understand more what's happening to me.
01:16:11:24 - 01:16:30:22
Speaker 2
You know, I'm sure that old caterpillar goes, what in the world is going on here? You know, I've been nibbling on this leaf and now there's I've eaten all my resources. I have nowhere to go but what's happening inside of me. I don't know what's happening. And I think people don't understand what's happening to them. And they're not victims to God.
01:16:30:22 - 01:16:56:05
Speaker 2
They're not victims to it. They've already, co architect this change that we're going through, it's already in them. We've just forgotten it. But I think that it is time to some of these things. When I work with individuals, I will find out that, I had somebody last week, and I found out that in October of 2027, a new contract is going to be activated in them that they made.
01:16:56:05 - 01:17:12:18
Speaker 2
That's going to change their entire life and the trajectory of their world. Get ready for it, because you're in for some real changes of direction that's getting ready to happen to you. So that's kind of what would be on my mind or another time maybe, or something like that.
01:17:12:18 - 01:17:28:05
Speaker 1
We can, yeah, I know I don't want to invite us to another 30 minutes of contracts, but I'm now I'm really interested to, I will leave it up to the listener to explore more on what contracts sparks with that. There you go. They can find more info in okay. In your work.
01:17:28:07 - 01:17:30:19
Speaker 2
Well, this has been great. So great talk.
01:17:30:19 - 01:17:46:00
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, likewise. Thank you again so much for your time. David. This was so great. And honestly, you know, just just thank you for your work. Thank you for your life's work. This is really cool stuff. This is, like I said, you know, I'm really drawn to kind of these that, that in between that, that bridge, you know, I love learning about it.
01:17:46:00 - 01:17:52:10
Speaker 1
I love to have these conversations with people about it. And so, Yeah. Just think. Thank you for your work. Mans is awesome.
01:17:52:10 - 01:18:13:19
Speaker 2
Oh. You're welcome. I am a bridge. I'm. I appreciate what you're doing to give us a platform to be on here. And and, you're a great, a great voice that's out there. And there's so many right now that are joining into. Yeah, the book is to awaken so many people that are ready.
01:18:13:21 - 01:18:20:16
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. I, as I say, probably too much on this podcast, but has around us as we're all just walking each other home.
01:18:20:18 - 01:18:22:16
Speaker 2
That's right, I like that.
01:18:22:18 - 01:18:43:12
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah. So, All right. Man. Well, let me let me end this recording. Listeners love yourself. Drink some water. As I always say, if you haven't drink any water today. Come on. What are you doing, man? Stretch a little bit. Yeah. Hydrate. Stretch. Love yourself. And, click down below. Check out more David's or David's work, and, we'll see you next two.
01:18:43:14 - 01:18:54:19
Speaker 1
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