Stole My Line - A Fireside Film Podcast | More INSANE Star Wars Hot Takes

Droids are better than clones, the Star Wars games are carrying the franchise, Disney should have remade the Original Trilogy, and more! The boys dive into EVEN MORE Star Wars hot takes. Thank you all for sending these in, if you want to hear your take discussed, comment it on this episode or email us at stolemylinepod@gmail.com!

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(00:00) - Intro
(02:02) - How This Works
(03:00) - Iwillone’s Take
(06:05) - UncleThoom’s Take
(09:42) - Austin Crenshaw’s Take
(13:28) - andresp.1580’s Takes
(17:22) - TheaterPup’s Take
(21:00) - SnoTangerine’s Takes
(27:03) - ryanshotton1972’s Take
(28:40) - MrBones_INC’s Take
(33:27) - calebmitchell_avc’s Take
(36:29) - parkerburrus289’s Take
(39:34) - WildWestWagyu’s Take
(42:25) - Iwillone’s Takes pt. II
(43:59) - Theworldaccordingtohans’ Take
(46:30) - disqoe1763’s Take
(49:20) - ectochrome’s Take
(52:02) - michaelcaboose8685’s Take
(55:38) - PaperBagProduction’s Take
(58:49) - limberlad’s Take
(01:04:23) - SassyGamesNoRelation’s Take
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# More INSANE Star Wars Hot Takes - Fireside Discussion
# Transcribed 2026-07-22 07:18
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[00:00:00 - 00:00:05] Crazy hot take instead of the sequels. The Disney trilogy would have been better off as an original
[00:00:07 - 00:00:15] Original trilogy remakes not prequel was out of typo because that's no that's that says OT
[00:00:15 - 00:00:17] Original trilogy. I copy and pasted that John Wow
[00:00:20 - 00:00:26] This is raging fire actions. This is the craziest take I may have heard all this series double raging fire
[00:00:26 - 00:00:28] Yeah, we stacked to I'm just gonna make it big
[00:00:30 - 00:00:34] Fire this is probably one of the craziest things I've ever said
[00:00:45 - 00:00:50] Drew this will never end it's true. It's yeah, Star Wars is here to stay
[00:00:50 - 00:00:55] Welcome back to someone line a fireside film podcast. I'm grand. I'm drew talking about Star Wars hot takes
[00:00:55 - 00:00:57] This is part four. So if you want to check out our series
[00:00:57 - 00:01:02] We have a whole series where you can go watch the whole series hours upon hours of our
[00:01:03 - 00:01:09] Love Star Wars and you love hot takes. We got you. We're your guys
[00:01:09 - 00:01:15] Not very niche Venn diagram of things. We have a lot of it. We hit that
[00:01:15 - 00:01:19] For you drew we have another hot take series coming up though
[00:01:19 - 00:01:23] True we do tells about it really quick before we get into Star Wars. All right
[00:01:23 - 00:01:28] I know this might pain some of you to hear but we are gonna pivot from Star Wars emphasis on pivot, okay?
[00:01:28 - 00:01:33] Well, you can always pivot back. We're not we're not saying never yeah, but spider-man's around the corner
[00:01:33 - 00:01:36] So we're gonna do a spider-man hot takes. Yes
[00:01:36 - 00:01:42] So comment your spider-man hot takes or like a Marvel hot takes but try to stick mainly with spider-man
[00:01:42 - 00:01:45] If you have a Star Wars hot take you can send it in it just might be a few months
[00:01:46 - 00:01:50] But we do save them all so don't feel like oh, I can't send anything in
[00:01:51 - 00:01:56] But yeah, we're pivoting to spider-man slash Marvel so that'll be fun have a live-action spider-man marathon coming up
[00:01:56 - 00:02:04] Do so subscribe if you are new to the channel. Yep. Let's just get into Star Wars hot takes drew tell us about the hot takes system
[00:02:04 - 00:02:06] Super super quick. Okay, so
[00:02:07 - 00:02:12] This is we just kind of rate your take on like a hotness scale
[00:02:12 - 00:02:16] Yes, okay, so we have raging fire, which is like the hottest of the hot take
[00:02:16 - 00:02:20] Yep, we have enough for s'mores, which is like you can cook something on it
[00:02:20 - 00:02:25] But like it's not like crazy hot. Yep, and then we have some smoke which pretty self-explanatory
[00:02:25 - 00:02:30] We have only embers. Yep, which is also self-explanatory and then we have died down wet logs
[00:02:30 - 00:02:35] Yep, so it's like a hotness of coldness in a fire sense because we are a fire
[00:02:36 - 00:02:39] Also not a reflection of like
[00:02:39 - 00:02:45] The the validity of your take will say whether or not we agree right take you can have a great take
[00:02:45 - 00:02:49] That's freezing cold. Yep. So we'll kind of judge both of those aspects of it
[00:02:50 - 00:02:54] Yeah, thank you guys for being here. Yep. We're gonna dive into this. Let's get into it
[00:02:54 - 00:02:54] All right
[00:02:54 - 00:03:00] I'm going to open us with one that I am very excited for let me find it. We have these written down
[00:03:01 - 00:03:03] Okay, this is from I will one. Okay ready
[00:03:04 - 00:03:10] I will one says my biggest hot take is that Leia Skywalker is worse than Ray Skywalker
[00:03:10 - 00:03:17] Oh, wow making the princess a late third wheel add-on in the drama between Luke and Vader was unnecessary
[00:03:17 - 00:03:24] Compared to an orphaned scavenger girl choosing a good family over her discovered dark-side bloodline
[00:03:25 - 00:03:27] That's the first take. We'll start there
[00:03:27 - 00:03:29] What do we think?
[00:03:31 - 00:03:36] So it's saying that like the writing of Leia being added later was worse than the writing of Ray
[00:03:37 - 00:03:39] Skywalker being added later. I think I disagree
[00:03:40 - 00:03:42] I mean, that's kind of crazy a
[00:03:42 - 00:03:47] But I do think Leia feels a little shoehorned in
[00:03:47 - 00:03:51] in like six specifically. Yeah of like oh
[00:03:52 - 00:03:54] Now she's
[00:03:54 - 00:03:56] Because like five
[00:03:56 - 00:04:04] She kisses Luke. Yes, right. So clearly this was not planned unless George Lucas is like a weird guy in five
[00:04:05 - 00:04:07] Yoda does say there is another
[00:04:07 - 00:04:11] True so George, so maybe George is a weird guy. I
[00:04:12 - 00:04:19] Don't know but that's that's kind of we can talk through the reasoning there another time, but yeah, it does feel a little shoehorned in but like I
[00:04:20 - 00:04:28] Think the Ray Skywalker thing is worse. I think it's way worse because not even because her one to be a Skywalker is bad
[00:04:28 - 00:04:30] I see where you're coming from. I think that
[00:04:31 - 00:04:37] It it's because it's such a switch up like her journey in nine is such a switch up from the journey in eight
[00:04:37 - 00:04:43] And that's actually what I one of the things I like about the last Jedi is that it says oh Ray is from nowhere
[00:04:43 - 00:04:45] Yeah, I like that aspect of the movie
[00:04:46 - 00:04:47] so
[00:04:47 - 00:04:56] For it's a like basically be retconned into she's a Palpatine and then she is a Skywalker. I think it's more egregious
[00:04:56 - 00:04:58] Yeah, I mean
[00:04:58 - 00:05:00] At least lay is Arcus consistent
[00:05:01 - 00:05:03] relatively ish. Yeah, and like
[00:05:05 - 00:05:10] Logically coherent with the rest of the characters rays is not and also I
[00:05:11 - 00:05:14] Mean in each movie Ray is a different thing. I
[00:05:15 - 00:05:20] Mean, I guess in seven used you like you don't know who Ray's parents are but like in eight and nine
[00:05:20 - 00:05:24] She goes pull her opposites. You're no one and then you're a Palpatine. Yeah
[00:05:25 - 00:05:28] So, you know, I think I disagree here, but I don't know
[00:05:29 - 00:05:36] Actually, I think it's pretty hot honestly. This might be a raging fire. I think it could be I think that's a raging fire take
[00:05:36 - 00:05:38] Thank you for sending it in I disagree
[00:05:38 - 00:05:42] But I see where you're coming from unlike some of the craziest thing that if Ray was a Palpatine
[00:05:42 - 00:05:48] For her to want to associate with the Skywalker's because they are the embodiment of good that makes sense
[00:05:48 - 00:05:49] I can get behind that
[00:05:49 - 00:05:56] I think the movies before that don't really line up with that and that's what makes the delivery back agreed. All right, Drew
[00:05:56 - 00:05:58] Okay, you were up
[00:05:58 - 00:06:00] we
[00:06:00 - 00:06:08] Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. This is crazy. Okay. Okay. We're gonna go with Uncle Thune. Uncle Thune. Uncle Thune. Oh
[00:06:10 - 00:06:12] This is I think this is gonna be raging fire as well
[00:06:13 - 00:06:15] This is kind of an essay so buckle up
[00:06:15 - 00:06:20] I believe the Phantom Menace truly deserves a top five spot in Star Wars in Star Wars
[00:06:20 - 00:06:26] And then he says top three question mark. Oh wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, I'm just bad at reading top three
[00:06:26 - 00:06:31] No, but I believe people view in the wrong way. Okay, the meat and potatoes of the movie is not Anakin Skywalker
[00:06:31 - 00:06:34] It is Qui-Gon Jen. I think this stuff with Anakin while
[00:06:35 - 00:06:42] Integral to the series moving forward should be treated as side information while watching this movie in particular the scenes with
[00:06:42 - 00:06:44] Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are
[00:06:44 - 00:06:48] Where it's at. Now again, this isn't deserving of the top three maybe even tops four spot
[00:06:48 - 00:06:52] But when I heard you say it's hard to get through it. I couldn't believe it
[00:06:52 - 00:06:55] I think this movie is hilarious and in the driest way possible
[00:06:55 - 00:06:59] And obviously the duel of the fates has got to be top three life-saving battles of all time
[00:06:59 - 00:07:04] The Phantom Menace is one of the one of my go-to Star Wars movies from Star Wars. It's just chill
[00:07:04 - 00:07:08] It's just a chill watch because it stands on its own so well
[00:07:09 - 00:07:12] This is not as hot as I thought it was. I thought you were saying Phantom Menace is top three
[00:07:12 - 00:07:16] It's so kind of hot though. I don't dislike this argument entirely
[00:07:17 - 00:07:20] but I have to disagree personally because
[00:07:21 - 00:07:23] Maybe as a movie on its own
[00:07:23 - 00:07:25] It's fine
[00:07:25 - 00:07:30] But it is worsened by what comes after it by which I mean right Qui-Gon's not even a
[00:07:31 - 00:07:34] Character really throughout Star Wars like he isn't Phantom Menace, but like
[00:07:35 - 00:07:41] If we're taking it as a saga if this movie is worsened by what came before it like being made
[00:07:41 - 00:07:45] Before it and then also what came after it chronologically. I
[00:07:46 - 00:07:50] Think I'd strongly disagree here just because I think when you look at the like
[00:07:52 - 00:07:56] Like these were written as trilogies these were written as a cohesive story
[00:07:56 - 00:07:57] Mm-hmm
[00:07:57 - 00:08:03] So like if Phantom Menace happened to be like a Star Wars story or Lycra one or solo and then
[00:08:03 - 00:08:08] Everyone was hating on it. I would kind of agree with you here and be like well it is
[00:08:08 - 00:08:16] It's not like in a trilogy. It's like it's so inside thing. Yeah, but it's not this trilogy is is orbited around Anakin
[00:08:17 - 00:08:19] this movie does a really bad job at
[00:08:20 - 00:08:22] Being the start of that. Yeah
[00:08:22 - 00:08:26] So that's kind of where I'm at. Yeah, I agree with you drew um I
[00:08:26 - 00:08:31] Think maybe maybe get too much hate. I mean I like the Phantom Menace in like a general
[00:08:31 - 00:08:33] I like the prequel sense
[00:08:33 - 00:08:35] But if we're talking about
[00:08:35 - 00:08:40] Ranking all the Star Wars movies, which we have done a ranking in our Star Wars marathon series, which you can go watch
[00:08:40 - 00:08:43] This is bottom tier Star Wars, but it is better than
[00:08:44 - 00:08:48] Rise of Skywalker true. Do we say it's better than Mando and Grogu? I think it is
[00:08:49 - 00:08:52] Better than those two movies. I think it might be better than attack of the clowns
[00:08:52 - 00:08:57] I don't I can't remember. I think we said attack was better, but I think we could flip on that
[00:08:57 - 00:08:59] I could go either way honestly
[00:09:00 - 00:09:02] Yeah
[00:09:02 - 00:09:05] But like yeah, like I guess my question is to you is like, what are you putting it?
[00:09:06 - 00:09:10] Above I don't think the story of Phantom Menace is that interesting like no
[00:09:10 - 00:09:13] I mean we're on Tatooine for a whole lot of that movie
[00:09:13 - 00:09:17] You if you just watch the clip of duel of fates
[00:09:17 - 00:09:23] You're probably getting the best part of the movie sick duel of fates. It's great. It's a top-3 lightsaber scene
[00:09:23 - 00:09:25] I like quite gone a lot like there's good stuff, but I
[00:09:26 - 00:09:28] don't know I
[00:09:28 - 00:09:31] Think this is a strong disagree on this take
[00:09:32 - 00:09:37] Where are we on the hotness scale drew? I'm gonna say enough for s'mores. Yeah, I like that enough for s'mores
[00:09:37 - 00:09:40] There are some definite prequel lovers
[00:09:41 - 00:09:47] For s'mores, okay. I have one for you drew. I'm hit me. This one was actually sent in as a buzzer beater. Whoa
[00:09:49 - 00:09:53] My cousin Austin and I were texting and I mentioned that we were doing this podcast and he had a hot take
[00:09:53 - 00:09:57] He wanted to send okay. Thank you Austin. This is your hot take
[00:09:57 - 00:10:03] This is Jedi mind tricks are morally not reflective of who the Jedi portrayed themselves to be
[00:10:04 - 00:10:10] They are manipulative and can be seen as Jedi praying on the week to get what they need not saying
[00:10:10 - 00:10:14] I'm against them in parentheses. I kind of agree with this. This is not crazy. No
[00:10:15 - 00:10:18] Yeah, these are very deceptive
[00:10:20 - 00:10:21] Yeah
[00:10:21 - 00:10:26] It's like what are you using the mind tricks for if you're using them to slide out of a situation like Obi-Wan did on
[00:10:26 - 00:10:28] Tatooine that's like whatever I
[00:10:29 - 00:10:34] Would argue that for 99% of the time they're probably using them for the greater good
[00:10:35 - 00:10:40] To get out of a sticky situation or um, but they're definitely praying on the week
[00:10:40 - 00:10:43] I mean, I think that's a lore right is like you can only mind trick
[00:10:44 - 00:10:50] Stupid people basically. I mean if you expand the force and like really think about it people
[00:10:50 - 00:10:52] Who are force users can totally just
[00:10:53 - 00:10:59] Rake in a ton of money through gambling and just like sure I'm going to like why gone did in Phantom is I'm going to force the
[00:10:59 - 00:11:01] die to land on this number like I
[00:11:03 - 00:11:05] Think the force can be used for good and evil
[00:11:06 - 00:11:09] And there should be balance. I don't know
[00:11:10 - 00:11:17] Yeah, but I mean like I guess the Jedi creed is like truth justice etc. So I guess on paper. I agree
[00:11:18 - 00:11:21] Yeah, so there's some gray area of like
[00:11:22 - 00:11:24] using it
[00:11:24 - 00:11:26] Cuz like again, and well, I guess when
[00:11:27 - 00:11:31] Qui-Gon tries to use it on wato. That's for the greater good Obi-Wan using us for the greater good
[00:11:32 - 00:11:36] I'm trying to leave a specific situation. I'm like that was probably for bad. I know I
[00:11:37 - 00:11:40] Don't think we see a lot of sith using them all the time
[00:11:40 - 00:11:45] Which is kind of crazy actually is interesting like why wouldn't I've never really thought this intensely about Jedi mind tricks
[00:11:45 - 00:11:49] If I were a sith, I would say they're non-violent, which is
[00:11:50 - 00:11:52] Hypothetically in the Jedi code true
[00:11:53 - 00:11:55] But yeah, they're pretty deceptive I
[00:11:56 - 00:12:02] Would say I am going to agree with the stake actually also. I have a rabbit trail thought that just popped in my head go for it
[00:12:02 - 00:12:04] Why do we not have
[00:12:04 - 00:12:06] force using bounty hunters
[00:12:08 - 00:12:11] Well in the original trilogy, I feel like it made sense of
[00:12:11 - 00:12:13] There's not a lot of force users true
[00:12:14 - 00:12:16] And like you can only be trained by
[00:12:17 - 00:12:20] Basically a sith or a Jedi and like if you don't have training
[00:12:21 - 00:12:27] You kind of can't do it right which is what the prequels implied. Yeah, but then we got Clone Wars and
[00:12:28 - 00:12:31] And then like just Disney Star Wars in general kind of set like well
[00:12:31 - 00:12:34] I blew that up. You can have the force if you want it really bad
[00:12:36 - 00:12:38] I think
[00:12:39 - 00:12:45] Yeah, I don't know it's interesting like why is it just sith and Jedi? I don't know well. It's not but like
[00:12:46 - 00:12:52] I think those factions became so prominent that who who's not a sith or I mean a soca kind of I
[00:12:53 - 00:12:56] Think it's implied that there are force users throughout the galaxy that just
[00:12:57 - 00:13:02] Either barely user powers or never really use their powers and you have to get training to be strong enough to
[00:13:03 - 00:13:04] rule
[00:13:04 - 00:13:08] Other people with the force. I don't know. I don't know either. I think you're right
[00:13:09 - 00:13:13] Yeah, I say agree. How are we feel on the hotness skill for this Austin cringe?
[00:13:13 - 00:13:20] I'll take I'm gonna give some smoke some smoke. Yeah, middle of the road. Yeah, that's probably if this one's more
[00:13:20 - 00:13:27] Philosophical and not like holy crap. That's where are we morally with this? Yeah? I know I agree. Okay, all right some smoke
[00:13:27 - 00:13:29] You're up drew. I'm gonna go with
[00:13:32 - 00:13:33] And
[00:13:33 - 00:13:36] dress and dress dot
[00:13:37 - 00:13:39] 1580 all right
[00:13:39 - 00:13:42] They say you and McGregor is great as Obi-Wan, but
[00:13:42 - 00:13:49] I just think he is too young to play the character considering the Alec Guinness look in a new hope
[00:13:49 - 00:13:56] I watch the Obi-Wan TV show and don't buy us for a second that he's gonna look like out Alec Guinness in nine years
[00:13:56 - 00:14:01] In my mind yin glen could have been a better fit for the character considering the age
[00:14:01 - 00:14:04] I'm looking up in Glenn cuz I don't know who he is
[00:14:05 - 00:14:09] Yeah, that's a weird thing and that's kind of something that the Phantom Menace did of like
[00:14:10 - 00:14:12] The Obi-Wan had to be young
[00:14:12 - 00:14:18] Because he was a paddle one at that point and then they had he and Glenn looks look show a picture to me
[00:14:19 - 00:14:22] Yeah, you're kind of right. I'll put one on the screen right about that that that's good
[00:14:22 - 00:14:26] Is he in Glenn and Game of Thrones? Is that who I'm thinking about the same guy
[00:14:27 - 00:14:31] Anyway in Game of Thrones. Oh, yes, yes, I freaking know who he is too
[00:14:35 - 00:14:39] That is interesting I mean I think if you had pitched this take
[00:14:40 - 00:14:44] When the prequels are coming out, I wouldn't hate it, but now you and McGregor is showing grand and culture
[00:14:44 - 00:14:46] Like he is Obi-Wan. Yeah
[00:14:47 - 00:14:51] But I see what you're saying. Yeah, like age thing doesn't work
[00:14:51 - 00:14:57] I'd also don't buy that from Obi-Wan to New Hope like the Obi-Wan show nine years
[00:14:57 - 00:15:02] I do not buy these those hands were really crazy really wore on him
[00:15:03 - 00:15:06] No, I think this is a I agree with the take actually I don't think that's crazy
[00:15:07 - 00:15:10] I do think I kind of agree that is kind of what makes
[00:15:10 - 00:15:17] Fandomness a little erroneous in existence because like it just shouldn't have existed and made Obi-Wan too young
[00:15:17 - 00:15:19] Yeah, kind of freaked up that timeline
[00:15:21 - 00:15:22] Here's a
[00:15:22 - 00:15:27] Andress for the second take do you want to read that one too? Yeah, let's just don't double up. Ahsoka
[00:15:27 - 00:15:30] Could be a great character. This is crazy
[00:15:30 - 00:15:33] Good what okay when I watch up in the cyst
[00:15:33 - 00:15:40] I just could not buy the idea that Anakin had a paddle on off-screen and that she is in another planet fighting with Maul without even a
[00:15:40 - 00:15:42] Mention in the movie agreed, but also
[00:15:43 - 00:15:45] That's not really anybody's fault
[00:15:46 - 00:15:48] Yeah, it's like a
[00:15:48 - 00:15:53] So because a product of the Clone Wars and the storytelling of the Clone Wars is great
[00:15:53 - 00:15:59] Which is kind of why you need to like watch it chronologically and just like taking cultural context
[00:15:59 - 00:16:03] But I agree if we're talking like straight canonically this doesn't make any sense
[00:16:03 - 00:16:08] Yeah, I mean, I mean honestly if you're talking straight canonically revenge of the Sith doesn't make a lot of sense
[00:16:08 - 00:16:13] Yeah, yeah, I mean in general that is true. I would completely agree which is tragic and
[00:16:14 - 00:16:16] I've probably made a bunch of people mad with that
[00:16:16 - 00:16:19] But just like look at Anakin's character art from Clone Wars for revenge of the sith
[00:16:19 - 00:16:22] And it's a complete character reversion at the beginning of the movie
[00:16:22 - 00:16:28] I mean look at Mace Windu's right your arc like there's or character actions at least there's a lot
[00:16:28 - 00:16:30] That doesn't add up
[00:16:30 - 00:16:32] I think that's not even a crazy take at all
[00:16:32 - 00:16:38] I kind of agree to think it gets hot when you say it's so could be a good character or great character
[00:16:38 - 00:16:43] I think she she's still a really solid character. I think she's a great character. I just think
[00:16:44 - 00:16:46] Like
[00:16:46 - 00:16:50] The writing I mean it doesn't really work. You can't I don't think that's a fault of I think
[00:16:51 - 00:16:55] Lucky a soco would probably be a worst character if she was in George Lucas's prequels because she probably would have been
[00:16:56 - 00:16:58] Done a disservice. I agree
[00:16:58 - 00:17:00] So I don't know
[00:17:00 - 00:17:04] All right, let's go back to the first take hotness skill for that one
[00:17:04 - 00:17:08] I'm gonna say enough for smores. Okay, hotness still for the a soco one as well
[00:17:08 - 00:17:11] I'm gonna say also enough first one. All right. We're doubling up on enough for s'mores
[00:17:13 - 00:17:14] Alright
[00:17:14 - 00:17:16] It's my turn now
[00:17:17 - 00:17:19] Okay, we'll find a good take
[00:17:22 - 00:17:26] Oh, this is interesting this is from theater pup. Oh, I just saw that one, okay
[00:17:27 - 00:17:33] Theater pup says the prequels don't deserve a nostalgia wave and yet or and yet they very much got it and
[00:17:33 - 00:17:37] Likely so will the sequels who also don't deserve it?
[00:17:38 - 00:17:40] Huh HEE
[00:17:40 - 00:17:44] That's what was typed. That's how the soldier often works. Okay. Hey
[00:17:47 - 00:17:51] Do I agree because it is Gen Z that
[00:17:52 - 00:17:54] Gave the nostalgia way for the prequels. I
[00:17:54 - 00:18:00] Don't think the prequels were deserving of a nostalgia wave really until post-column Wars
[00:18:01 - 00:18:05] Okay, and that supplemental material
[00:18:06 - 00:18:11] My water bottle never wants to stay. I'm very curious how in like 40 years
[00:18:12 - 00:18:16] Younger kids will view the prequels. I think it will be like they were viewed when they came out
[00:18:17 - 00:18:20] No, I'm torn you think it'll still be as nostalgia because it is now
[00:18:20 - 00:18:25] I don't know see now people who love them are like they didn't even grow up on them
[00:18:26 - 00:18:31] May I really I feel like it's our generation like we grew up on these movies more than probably yeah
[00:18:31 - 00:18:33] That's probably true the generation before us
[00:18:34 - 00:18:36] and
[00:18:36 - 00:18:42] That's why I mean the reason I like the prequels is 80 percent 87 percent nostalgia
[00:18:43 - 00:18:50] There's another 17 or not 17 13 percent that is a Lego Star Wars the complete saga. Yeah, I mean, maybe it's 5% Lego Star Wars
[00:18:52 - 00:18:54] 87 percent I was a little low
[00:18:55 - 00:18:57] There is quality there
[00:18:57 - 00:19:03] But it is it is a majority of this is my childhood. Yeah. Yeah, I would agree and I do think I mean
[00:19:03 - 00:19:08] This hurts me to say but I asked my cousin I said this on a episode a while ago
[00:19:08 - 00:19:11] I asked my cousin like a long time ago
[00:19:11 - 00:19:15] He's he was like 11 right at the time. I said, what's your favorite Star Wars movie?
[00:19:16 - 00:19:22] This was probably six months ago, and he goes rise of Skywalker. That's just and I was like I cannot believe those words came out of your mouth
[00:19:22 - 00:19:23] but also
[00:19:23 - 00:19:30] Like I understand your brain is not fully formed and you can't process and good story telling good and bad story
[00:19:30 - 00:19:37] So you just look at the good CGI and you're like, no, it looks great. Looks good. There's like 20 cheap moments
[00:19:39 - 00:19:41] So I do think there will be
[00:19:42 - 00:19:43] I
[00:19:43 - 00:19:48] Yeah, okay, there will be a minute wave of sequel nostalgia there will be but I don't think it's gonna be as strong and here's why okay
[00:19:48 - 00:19:53] Why the story the overarching story of the prequels when you said this time and time again podcast?
[00:19:53 - 00:20:01] It is good like the general story that George Lucas was trying to tell was a well thought out story agreed execution was bad
[00:20:01 - 00:20:06] Yep, but that that foundation an original like unique baseline
[00:20:07 - 00:20:11] Really makes the prequels stand the test of time a little bit
[00:20:11 - 00:20:18] The sequels just don't have that true. They just don't and while I think the last Jedi is pretty strong personally
[00:20:18 - 00:20:22] I know some people disagree about whatever it just it
[00:20:22 - 00:20:24] The last Jedi is made worse by its
[00:20:25 - 00:20:31] Companions like it's just not that good the sequels aren't yeah, I mean I agree so I think endings matter a
[00:20:32 - 00:20:36] Lot in storytelling and the in nine is just horrible from a storytelling perspective
[00:20:36 - 00:20:41] And three has some good moments. Yeah, I agree. I do agree
[00:20:42 - 00:20:46] So yeah, um hotness scale and a greenest scale
[00:20:47 - 00:20:50] Oh, I mean, I'm gonna say enough for small issues because there are people
[00:20:51 - 00:20:56] In our comments and in general who love the prequels. Yeah, and we'll fight for them till the day they die
[00:20:57 - 00:20:59] I kind of agree though
[00:20:59 - 00:21:03] All right, you're up. All right. We're gonna go with
[00:21:03 - 00:21:07] Okay, snow tangerine
[00:21:09 - 00:21:11] Okay
[00:21:11 - 00:21:14] Here we go. They say, okay. Not sure if this is a hot take
[00:21:15 - 00:21:21] Or not sure if this hot take was mentioned or not, but it's one I believe pretty strongly the sequel trilogy
[00:21:21 - 00:21:26] Oh my gosh, I this was completely random guys. I promise we'll receive a wave of fan revisionism
[00:21:26 - 00:21:31] All right, let's double down this topic in the way that the prequels have we're still too early for it
[00:21:31 - 00:21:37] I think people denying this will happen are either too young to truly remember the prequel hate or are purely coping
[00:21:37 - 00:21:42] Maybe an insecurity with their love of the prequels has something to do with it. That's hilarious
[00:21:42 - 00:21:46] I think prequel adults have become a real thing if you look at the timeline
[00:21:46 - 00:21:49] The prequels did not receive the mass amount of love into the last few years
[00:21:50 - 00:21:55] By that metric we're still about a decade away from the 2010 kids who will defend the people with their lives
[00:21:55 - 00:21:57] As they come of age
[00:21:57 - 00:22:02] They will see the star the star wars or the sequel trilogy as a complete star complete story
[00:22:03 - 00:22:05] free from fan expectations
[00:22:06 - 00:22:09] We kind of already talked about this. That's hilarious. That was a take take I picked
[00:22:10 - 00:22:13] I do think I still agree with you. I think the fact that
[00:22:14 - 00:22:17] there's a good story under the prequels is is
[00:22:18 - 00:22:21] Why people can fight for it so hard even if it's super
[00:22:22 - 00:22:24] corny at times. Yeah, I mean
[00:22:25 - 00:22:27] There might be people who can argue there's a good story behind
[00:22:29 - 00:22:33] Like a good overarching trilogy story in the sequel trilogy is just not there
[00:22:34 - 00:22:38] I mean in the same way it's just not executed well
[00:22:38 - 00:22:40] From a pure like set up
[00:22:41 - 00:22:43] story-telling aspect, right?
[00:22:46 - 00:22:47] I'll say this I think
[00:22:47 - 00:22:48] You're right
[00:22:48 - 00:22:53] Prequel adults exist. True. We are probably a byproduct of that
[00:22:53 - 00:22:55] Although I would say that we are probably harsher on the prequels than other
[00:22:56 - 00:23:02] Film bro podcasts or so we're called. Yeah, I like that. Um
[00:23:03 - 00:23:06] I think there's good good parts and bad parts. I would say the same about the sequels
[00:23:07 - 00:23:10] I am not going to deny that there will be a
[00:23:11 - 00:23:17] Like nostalgia way for the sequels. Sure. There will be I just don't think it's going to be as strong and also
[00:23:17 - 00:23:22] Yeah, there's not seven seasons of an animated tv show. That's pretty high quality
[00:23:22 - 00:23:27] That you know flushes out the sequels and I mean that also
[00:23:28 - 00:23:30] Added to it because
[00:23:30 - 00:23:34] Like we're not only growing up with the prequels, but we're growing up with Anakin obi one in the soak
[00:23:34 - 00:23:39] There was an immersion in that world. So when Anakin comes in in a movie. I'm like, I know Anakin
[00:23:39 - 00:23:43] I love Anakin. We spent there for me. I love the prequels. Yeah
[00:23:44 - 00:23:47] There's not no one's like. Oh my gosh. I love po
[00:23:48 - 00:23:51] I mean like I like some people are I'm sure but not not in the same way
[00:23:51 - 00:23:53] There's not an attachment that we have
[00:23:54 - 00:23:55] Similar
[00:23:55 - 00:24:02] Yeah in the in the sequels. I think it's a good take. I don't think we are denying that there will be a
[00:24:03 - 00:24:05] I don't know in the soldier wave. Yeah
[00:24:05 - 00:24:09] Okay, and then well, there's another take. Yeah, there's another take
[00:24:10 - 00:24:15] Um, this is still from snow tangerine six. Okay star wars
[00:24:15 - 00:24:18] Has never put on an irredeemably bad movie
[00:24:18 - 00:24:22] Even the right skywalker has that embrace the pulp aspect
[00:24:23 - 00:24:25] To it that embrace the pulp. I don't know what that means
[00:24:26 - 00:24:28] Do you know what that means? Like
[00:24:29 - 00:24:32] Like embrace the bad stuff with the good stuff
[00:24:32 - 00:24:37] Like okay, drink some orange juice and like there's gonna be pulp in it, right? I like pulpy oranges
[00:24:38 - 00:24:40] That's not helping this argument true
[00:24:41 - 00:24:47] Uh, I haven't finished embrace a pulp aspect to it that ensures it will have its defenders
[00:24:47 - 00:24:51] As all things star wars eventually will even when star wars is bad. It's good
[00:24:52 - 00:24:57] I die cannot get behind I can I will firmly disagree with this like I I think
[00:24:58 - 00:25:05] You can argue mando and grogu isn't irredeemably bad. Whatever same with the prequels. Whatever I can say they don't
[00:25:06 - 00:25:10] Do everything right but they have some redeemable qualities, right?
[00:25:11 - 00:25:16] Rise of skywalker is irredeemably bad. I would I said this I think on a podcast recently
[00:25:16 - 00:25:19] I would rather the rise of skywalker not exist and we are left
[00:25:20 - 00:25:24] On a 30-year cliffhanger from the last Jedi then have rise of skywalker exists
[00:25:25 - 00:25:27] I truly think in my heart of hearts
[00:25:28 - 00:25:31] That you would have to be delusional like
[00:25:32 - 00:25:35] Just remove logic entirely from your brain to call this a good movie
[00:25:35 - 00:25:39] Now hear me say if you like this movie and can still say it's bad
[00:25:40 - 00:25:44] That's fine. I don't have a problem with that if you're like, I just like it. I like the CGI
[00:25:44 - 00:25:46] I like the the fun moments here
[00:25:47 - 00:25:51] But I can still see they fly now like I can still see this is a objectively bad movie
[00:25:52 - 00:25:54] I don't care. That's fine. We can still be happy friends
[00:25:55 - 00:25:58] But if you look at me in the eye and you say the rise of skywalker is is a good movie
[00:25:59 - 00:26:02] I'm trying to think of one redeemable quality that isn't composite from
[00:26:03 - 00:26:07] Another star wars movie and I just can't think of it. Yeah, I mean the macguffins in this movie are insane
[00:26:08 - 00:26:10] The plot doesn't make any sense
[00:26:10 - 00:26:14] The driving driver does nothing the plot contrivances are just out of this world
[00:26:15 - 00:26:18] Palpatine somehow palpatine returned they fly now
[00:26:19 - 00:26:21] I'm the spy. I'm like this movie is just bad
[00:26:22 - 00:26:26] It's really bad. So this is the worst movie we've watched for the podcast by far. Yeah
[00:26:27 - 00:26:29] Like I don't think it's close. It's the only movie that we've given
[00:26:30 - 00:26:32] Avoid it all avoid it all costs
[00:26:33 - 00:26:37] Yeah, hey, uh, okay for the first snow tangerine take
[00:26:37 - 00:26:40] Where are we on the hotness scale? I don't know if this is necessarily a hot take
[00:26:40 - 00:26:43] It's more of like an interesting kind of like we'll see where it goes take
[00:26:43 - 00:26:48] So I'm gonna say enough for smoke. No, I blended it some smoke some smoke. That's what I meant
[00:26:48 - 00:26:51] What about the second take raging fire?
[00:26:52 - 00:26:53] Maybe
[00:26:53 - 00:26:55] Yeah, I agree. Okay
[00:26:55 - 00:26:57] I I just have to agree
[00:26:58 - 00:27:00] All right
[00:27:01 - 00:27:03] It's my turn. Yep
[00:27:03 - 00:27:04] Oh
[00:27:04 - 00:27:08] Gosh, I'm I'm speaking the one right beneath it drew, but this one is crazy. This is really good
[00:27:09 - 00:27:16] Anakin should never have been the chosen one period. Okay. This is from this is from Ryan shot in 1972. Yes
[00:27:17 - 00:27:19] Here is my thing. Tell me your thing
[00:27:21 - 00:27:23] Sometimes we get takes here
[00:27:23 - 00:27:27] Where the take of the sentence and it should have been a paragraph and sometimes we get takes that is a paragraph
[00:27:27 - 00:27:30] It should have been a sentence. Yes. This is definitely one of the ones that's like we needed
[00:27:30 - 00:27:32] We need some reasons to back this up
[00:27:33 - 00:27:38] But we don't have any you're saying in universe or the chosen one shouldn't exist. Those are two different things good question two different things
[00:27:39 - 00:27:44] Um, Anakin should never been yeah, we got my my first question is why in universe?
[00:27:44 - 00:27:47] Yes, he should have been at least heralded as the chosen one
[00:27:47 - 00:27:53] I mean, did you watch the mortis episodes? He he's the one that should have brought balance to the force
[00:27:54 - 00:27:56] Should the chosen one exist? I think no
[00:27:56 - 00:28:01] I also think no or I think it should have been different like the chosen one is a mantle of like
[00:28:02 - 00:28:07] This is the you know the jedi the person who's going to lead the jedi who's going to bring
[00:28:08 - 00:28:09] balance and
[00:28:09 - 00:28:15] Take down the sith etc. Etc. Yeah, it's not really conveyed that way throughout the nine movies. And so
[00:28:16 - 00:28:20] It doesn't really matter agreed. I don't know so ryan
[00:28:20 - 00:28:24] Please give us your reasons on why yes, and we will continue this in another
[00:28:25 - 00:28:26] Hot takes episode
[00:28:26 - 00:28:28] Uh, how hot is this take drew?
[00:28:28 - 00:28:30] Oh
[00:28:31 - 00:28:32] Enough for smores
[00:28:32 - 00:28:36] Yeah, fine with that. Okay enough for sports enough for sports. All right, drew you're up
[00:28:37 - 00:28:39] It's okay
[00:28:40 - 00:28:41] Oh
[00:28:41 - 00:28:44] Okay, this is good. This is also one right below the other one. This is a good one
[00:28:45 - 00:28:48] This is from mr. Bones underscore ink shout out to you
[00:28:48 - 00:28:50] spoilers for mando and grogu
[00:28:51 - 00:28:55] The mandalorian and grogu movie is not pointless because den takes out two
[00:28:56 - 00:28:59] New heads of the hut clan and rescues the heir to the hut empire
[00:29:00 - 00:29:03] And he will be working with the new republic as seen at the end of the movie
[00:29:04 - 00:29:09] Opening up hut space to be annexed by the new republic, which is great news for people who live there
[00:29:09 - 00:29:12] It's a great movie to jump back into star wars if you haven't seen it in a long time
[00:29:13 - 00:29:15] Now it is a compared to the original trilogy not really
[00:29:15 - 00:29:19] But for a swashbuckling mandalorian adventure with lowish steaks. It's a great film
[00:29:20 - 00:29:23] Love the podcast. Hope you guys see this can't wait to see the next hot takes discussion
[00:29:24 - 00:29:26] Thank you mr. Bones. Thank you for sending this in
[00:29:26 - 00:29:31] Um, okay, I need I need to go back in the recess in my memory and think about this movie while you do that
[00:29:31 - 00:29:33] I'm gonna start talking if that's okay. Yeah, that's fine. Um
[00:29:34 - 00:29:40] If you are talking like let's say you are living in the star wars universe, right? Yes, I'm sure these
[00:29:40 - 00:29:47] Events have this is the great argument impact within the universe. I will give that to you 3 million percent
[00:29:48 - 00:29:52] Here's what I'm not going to give you. You know who I didn't know who existed before this movie came out
[00:29:53 - 00:29:55] Either of these hut clan the hut twins
[00:29:55 - 00:29:58] um, you know the who doesn't really appear in
[00:29:59 - 00:30:05] The sequel trilogy or have any known significant impacts as of now rod of the hut rod of the hut
[00:30:06 - 00:30:08] Um, didn't yarn. Yeah, I'm groku
[00:30:09 - 00:30:14] So I'm not saying that like the mandalorian shouldn't exist or we shouldn't introduce new characters
[00:30:14 - 00:30:16] That I completely agree
[00:30:17 - 00:30:19] That that it should exist
[00:30:20 - 00:30:22] What I get hung up on is that we spent
[00:30:22 - 00:30:24] A two-hour movie
[00:30:24 - 00:30:28] With characters that the the movie itself the characters don't really grow in my opinion
[00:30:29 - 00:30:32] I don't think we get basically any character growth from din or from grogu
[00:30:33 - 00:30:35] We just have like a fun adventure which is fine
[00:30:36 - 00:30:40] And then rada is rada. Whatever I like jeremy allen white
[00:30:41 - 00:30:46] Yes, I'll give him that but that's insane actually now that we've watched the bear like oh, wow
[00:30:46 - 00:30:48] Yeah, it is kind of insane. I think
[00:30:48 - 00:30:50] The the hut twins dying though
[00:30:51 - 00:30:54] Like it just doesn't feel like it matters at all because
[00:30:54 - 00:30:58] We are introduced to them and then they die an hour later and you're like, okay, whatever like
[00:30:59 - 00:31:04] So it's it's a it's you know net zero. You don't get anything. You don't lose anything
[00:31:05 - 00:31:07] Yeah, I mean I think
[00:31:08 - 00:31:11] When we say pointless or at least when I say pointless regarding this movie
[00:31:13 - 00:31:15] I think you made a good clarification of like in universe
[00:31:15 - 00:31:20] It has a point and maybe in mandalorian season four or mandalorian group two or whatever
[00:31:20 - 00:31:27] It'll it'll continue sure but in the greater star wars universe and specifically for like fans
[00:31:28 - 00:31:33] When you don't tell a super engaging story and your plot is super self-contained. It doesn't really go anywhere
[00:31:35 - 00:31:37] That's when like the pointless allegations
[00:31:37 - 00:31:41] I feel like have a have a pretty strong argument like at least in solo
[00:31:42 - 00:31:45] We know ha and solo go somewhere at least in row one. We know
[00:31:45 - 00:31:49] Oh, this is why the death star plans are important because this is what happens in a new hope
[00:31:50 - 00:31:54] In mando and grogu, none of the characters really amount to much at least right now
[00:31:55 - 00:31:57] And I would argue that solo and rogue one
[00:31:58 - 00:32:01] Like rogue one is a good movie. Yes. It has some great story
[00:32:02 - 00:32:05] It has a good story great visuals
[00:32:05 - 00:32:06] Um
[00:32:06 - 00:32:11] That is an entertaining movie solo is fun. The plot twists are good. The chemistry is great
[00:32:11 - 00:32:16] The acting is solid. He's not Harrison Ford, but that's okay. Yes. I completely agree
[00:32:16 - 00:32:19] And if mando had some interesting plot twists and was fun
[00:32:21 - 00:32:24] Like I it would be fine. And I think mando was
[00:32:25 - 00:32:27] The bare amount of fun
[00:32:27 - 00:32:28] maybe
[00:32:28 - 00:32:34] And visually okay. I mean like it and I mean I would you say is like the character arcs are not here
[00:32:35 - 00:32:37] Yeah, like dinjarin
[00:32:37 - 00:32:40] doesn't really have a character arc grogu kind of does but like
[00:32:41 - 00:32:43] I mean, I feel like you can
[00:32:43 - 00:32:48] Probably let's say season 4 of mando comes out. You could probably skip this movie
[00:32:49 - 00:32:52] Completely yeah, probably and it you'd be fine
[00:32:53 - 00:32:56] You could skip this movie on your star wars watch through
[00:32:56 - 00:32:59] I mean like if we watch star wars chronologically and include mandalorian and grogu
[00:33:00 - 00:33:03] We'd be like, why did we watch that this yeah, this adds nothing it adds nothing
[00:33:04 - 00:33:05] So
[00:33:05 - 00:33:09] I see where you're coming from a little bit, but I just vehemently disagree. Yeah
[00:33:10 - 00:33:12] So hotness guild drew
[00:33:12 - 00:33:15] I'm gonna say enough for smarsh. I feel like I've done that a lot, but
[00:33:17 - 00:33:21] Yeah, I I don't think it's I mean, I think this take is kind of hot but not like
[00:33:22 - 00:33:26] Raging fire. Yeah, I agree. Maybe I should say some smoke. I don't even know
[00:33:27 - 00:33:29] Oh man, dude. I just found
[00:33:29 - 00:33:35] A bang in all right hit me with a bang intake. Are you ready? Yeah, you're not I'm not hot take the separatists were right
[00:33:35 - 00:33:37] Oh, wow, okay
[00:33:37 - 00:33:40] One used droids instead of clones
[00:33:43 - 00:33:49] Number two originally left because the senate gave voting rights to evil corporations despite being a chaotic hell
[00:33:49 - 00:33:53] If a galaxy every political moment is between a rock and hard place
[00:33:53 - 00:33:56] I didn't really fully understand that. I don't know what that means. Yeah
[00:33:56 - 00:34:00] We get the gist, but off rip the planets who tried to proceed
[00:34:01 - 00:34:05] They were in the right. Okay, so the idea is that the separatists
[00:34:05 - 00:34:07] Were a little more morally
[00:34:08 - 00:34:10] Or ethically good
[00:34:11 - 00:34:13] I don't know so
[00:34:13 - 00:34:18] I need to refresh my lore of it's all worse politics
[00:34:18 - 00:34:23] Yes, but if you're saying and if i'm understanding this correctly that when the separatists left
[00:34:24 - 00:34:26] the senate
[00:34:26 - 00:34:30] It's because that the senate gave voting rights to evil corporations
[00:34:31 - 00:34:33] and kind of like
[00:34:33 - 00:34:35] Got corrupt in that way. I agree
[00:34:35 - 00:34:41] But then I would argue that the separatists became a small and vulnerable faction that was easily manipulated by the sith
[00:34:42 - 00:34:43] And at that point
[00:34:43 - 00:34:47] They became evil and no longer right, but then like yeah ethically
[00:34:48 - 00:34:52] Using droids instead of clones while they aren't using droids for good intentions
[00:34:53 - 00:34:57] They still didn't like create copies of humans and then kill them all
[00:34:58 - 00:35:01] Right, but they also used the droids as an army
[00:35:02 - 00:35:04] Yes, I know
[00:35:05 - 00:35:06] But yes
[00:35:06 - 00:35:12] It's all like if if in our country they were invading us with droids and killing much of my friends
[00:35:12 - 00:35:16] I was like, hey, they're using droids though. They're not using clones. Yeah, like they could be using humans
[00:35:17 - 00:35:19] It would be good. Um
[00:35:19 - 00:35:21] I think I disagree here
[00:35:21 - 00:35:23] I think I see where you're coming from now
[00:35:24 - 00:35:26] I do I
[00:35:26 - 00:35:27] hmm
[00:35:27 - 00:35:31] Here's the thing. I think the separatists are probably more in the right than the republic
[00:35:32 - 00:35:36] And now you have to take that with the giant asterisk of
[00:35:36 - 00:35:39] Sidious is manipulating both. Yeah, I mean that's true
[00:35:39 - 00:35:45] And so if like in episode three if we're pitting them against each other the separatists probably have a little bit more going for them
[00:35:47 - 00:35:51] But then the sith are worse than the Jedi so right I don't know
[00:35:52 - 00:35:54] Yeah, I mean I it's kind of like
[00:35:56 - 00:35:59] When you get to two and three it doesn't necessarily matter because
[00:36:00 - 00:36:03] I mean even one Palpatine's just manipulating everyone. So like
[00:36:05 - 00:36:09] At that point, I feel like you have to zoom out and say, okay Palpatine's wrong the Jedi are right
[00:36:09 - 00:36:13] Well, yeah, and again and Obi-Wan and look Padme right? Yeah
[00:36:15 - 00:36:18] So I like this take this. Oh, yeah, I like this is interesting. Yeah
[00:36:19 - 00:36:21] Oh hotness scale drew
[00:36:21 - 00:36:23] Oh, I'm gonna save some smoke
[00:36:23 - 00:36:27] Yeah, okay. I like that. I like that. All right, you're right
[00:36:27 - 00:36:31] We are going to go with parker burris
[00:36:32 - 00:36:35] Parker two eight nine. Okay
[00:36:35 - 00:36:39] Hot take all the upcoming star wars video games are way more interesting than the upcoming movies
[00:36:40 - 00:36:44] I'm about to look up upcoming video games because I don't know if I can name any
[00:36:44 - 00:36:46] Okay
[00:36:46 - 00:36:48] Sorry, I'm pulling up this take
[00:36:48 - 00:36:49] um
[00:36:49 - 00:36:50] Well
[00:36:50 - 00:36:54] It's like repeating. I guess starfighter against whatever games are coming up
[00:36:55 - 00:37:00] Okay, we have coder remake is our what nice to the old republic remake. Is that happening?
[00:37:02 - 00:37:03] I don't know
[00:37:03 - 00:37:05] We have star wars zero company
[00:37:06 - 00:37:08] Which is a single player turn based tactics game
[00:37:08 - 00:37:15] Okay from bit and respawn set during the gritty shadowy era of the clone wars and it's launching on pc playstation 5 and xbox
[00:37:16 - 00:37:20] Okay, cool. Okay. We have galactic racer, which is like a racing game pod racing game
[00:37:22 - 00:37:24] We have star wars eclipse
[00:37:24 - 00:37:26] Okay, I've seen this trailer an ambitious multiple
[00:37:27 - 00:37:30] Character branching narrative game set in the high republic era
[00:37:30 - 00:37:33] Currently developed by quantum dreams. That sounds sick
[00:37:34 - 00:37:36] I've seen the trailer the trailer. It was like a
[00:37:36 - 00:37:38] It wasn't a gameplay trailer, but it looked pretty sick
[00:37:39 - 00:37:43] We do have a nice of the old republic remake. We have a fate of the old republic
[00:37:44 - 00:37:46] an action rpg being developed by
[00:37:47 - 00:37:49] acronaut studios
[00:37:49 - 00:37:52] And then we have star wars jedi
[00:37:52 - 00:37:53] three
[00:37:53 - 00:37:57] Which is a third installment in the respawn entertainment following calcastus
[00:37:59 - 00:38:04] You know what I don't understand about video games. This is just such a side tangent is that like
[00:38:04 - 00:38:08] A studio will work on a game and then it'll just get scrapped. Yeah, it's pretty crazy
[00:38:08 - 00:38:14] Where does all that money go? Like that is wild. It baffles me. You know what I want tell me pretty desperately
[00:38:14 - 00:38:16] Tell me give me battlefront three. I know
[00:38:17 - 00:38:20] Dude, it's just free money. It's free money. You're you're printing money
[00:38:21 - 00:38:24] People are clamoring for it. People are modding your second game
[00:38:24 - 00:38:27] Like who may get better to make it better just
[00:38:28 - 00:38:30] Look at what they're doing and make
[00:38:30 - 00:38:35] I mean even like star wars battlefront two remastered where you add a bunch of mods but make it official
[00:38:35 - 00:38:37] That's sick
[00:38:38 - 00:38:41] Um, but star wars eclipse sounds sick. It does
[00:38:42 - 00:38:48] So honestly, obviously nights of the old republic is one of the greatest games ever made also true. So remake i'm interested in
[00:38:48 - 00:38:51] Um, i'm honestly gonna say yes. I agree with this take
[00:38:52 - 00:38:56] I'd say I am more excited for at least three of those game releases than star fighter
[00:38:56 - 00:38:59] Yep, I'd love to be proven wrong, but I probably won't so
[00:39:00 - 00:39:01] So I agree
[00:39:01 - 00:39:03] All right, I don't even know this take is that hot
[00:39:03 - 00:39:05] Uh, I think I mean
[00:39:06 - 00:39:09] Is anyone I mean again, it's kind of too far out to say
[00:39:10 - 00:39:14] Like if starfighter will be good, but I'm not hearing a lot of buzz around the movies
[00:39:15 - 00:39:17] Well, it's also like any year, but
[00:39:18 - 00:39:24] I'm gonna say this is only embers. Okay. I think that's fine. This is a great take though. Great take. I like this
[00:39:25 - 00:39:28] Okay, I'm gonna pull one up for us. Okay
[00:39:31 - 00:39:33] Um
[00:39:34 - 00:39:40] Okay, oh, this is a really cool one. I meant to get to last episode. Okay, this is from wild west wagyu wagyu
[00:39:42 - 00:39:46] Oh, dude, we just watched the bear. What is this? How do you pronounce this? Wait? Where is this? I can't find it
[00:39:46 - 00:39:53] It's a little further down. Okay. Anyway, I can't pronounce that. Oh wagyu wagyu wagyu. I don't know. Sure. Sure
[00:39:54 - 00:39:56] Say it confidently with your chest
[00:39:56 - 00:39:59] My hot take is this one which is perfect for this podcast this person notes
[00:40:00 - 00:40:04] Star Wars should be considered a as a vast collection of campfire stories
[00:40:04 - 00:40:09] Where the viewer can pick and choose what is canon to them and create their perfect timeline
[00:40:09 - 00:40:12] Okay, think about it this way if you try to get everything in order
[00:40:12 - 00:40:15] It wouldn't make for as impactful of a narrative
[00:40:15 - 00:40:20] Star Wars is simply too bloated and argued over and this mindset fixes it
[00:40:21 - 00:40:26] As a band-aid solution. This isn't that bad. Yeah, it's not terrible. Is it the long-term fix? No
[00:40:27 - 00:40:32] I'm not sure there is a long-term fix. Yeah, so you're I guess you're saying that you can just pick and choose
[00:40:33 - 00:40:36] What you want and then your perfect star wars timeline
[00:40:38 - 00:40:42] So it's like, oh, I don't like acolyte, but I do like clone wars. Yeah
[00:40:43 - 00:40:47] That's not crazy. I mean, I feel like people kind of already do that subconsciously of like
[00:40:47 - 00:40:49] When you really love something
[00:40:49 - 00:40:54] Like I'll take this from clone wars, but not this from phantom menace and this from whatever
[00:40:54 - 00:40:56] I mean, yeah, you think about the way that people talk about
[00:40:57 - 00:41:02] Star Wars movies. They talk about the original George Lucas saga one way
[00:41:02 - 00:41:05] Yeah, and then like oh, but then disney ruined it
[00:41:05 - 00:41:09] Well, even you drew when you talk about Luke Skywalker as your favorite arc
[00:41:09 - 00:41:12] And I asked you do you include the last Jedi in that and you said no
[00:41:12 - 00:41:13] Yeah, that's true
[00:41:13 - 00:41:16] Like we do this and so I don't think it's the worst thing
[00:41:17 - 00:41:19] to say that this should be a
[00:41:19 - 00:41:21] campfire
[00:41:21 - 00:41:26] You pick what you want kind of deal, but also like you get what you get and don't put your fit
[00:41:27 - 00:41:29] I think there is tension here. I I kind of agree
[00:41:31 - 00:41:35] That this is a decent solution to our our star wars problem. I I yeah
[00:41:35 - 00:41:37] Yeah
[00:41:38 - 00:41:39] For right now
[00:41:39 - 00:41:42] Yeah, but one day way down the line and I hate remakes more than
[00:41:43 - 00:41:46] Literally anybody when disney comes to us and says hey boys. You want to remake star wars?
[00:41:46 - 00:41:50] When disney sells star wars and the next company comes to us and says hey and stole my line purchases
[00:41:50 - 00:41:56] And we in all of our grace and our wisdom say yes, we will do this
[00:41:56 - 00:42:00] We will use all of what was made before including legends as
[00:42:01 - 00:42:04] Our source material and make the best star wars movies we can
[00:42:05 - 00:42:08] That'll be wild that would be wild. Um, how hot do you think it's this?
[00:42:12 - 00:42:15] Nowadays this guy'd be only embers. Yeah, I kind of agree
[00:42:15 - 00:42:19] Um, if you were to say this 15 20 years ago, I'd be like whoa, whoa, whoa
[00:42:20 - 00:42:22] But now yeah, no, that's fair
[00:42:24 - 00:42:26] Oh
[00:42:26 - 00:42:31] Got one true. Yeah, this is pretty wild. Okay. I think we've already done this guy though, but that's okay
[00:42:31 - 00:42:33] I will one
[00:42:33 - 00:42:37] Oh, we have we'll we'll follow it up with another. Yeah, these are quick hot take
[00:42:37 - 00:42:40] His first one here is you can skip the phantom and it doesn't hurt the prequels
[00:42:41 - 00:42:46] We agree. Yes, that was already we've kind of said that a billion times. Um, so totally agree there
[00:42:47 - 00:42:52] Crazy hot take instead of the sequels the disney trilogy would have been better off as an original
[00:42:54 - 00:42:56] Original trilogy remakes
[00:42:56 - 00:42:57] Not prequel
[00:42:57 - 00:43:00] Was that a typo because that's no that's
[00:43:01 - 00:43:04] That it says ot original trilogy I copy and pasted that junk. Wow
[00:43:06 - 00:43:12] Um, this is raging fire. This is the craziest take I may have heard all this series double raging fire
[00:43:13 - 00:43:16] Yeah, we stacked two. I'm just gonna make it big and like
[00:43:16 - 00:43:18] It's gonna be on fire
[00:43:18 - 00:43:23] This is probably one of the craziest takes I've ever read. This is insane. I don't think that a uh
[00:43:24 - 00:43:28] In a perfect world all nine movies would be cohesive, right?
[00:43:28 - 00:43:32] So original trilogy remakes are inevitable at some point
[00:43:33 - 00:43:35] I hate that, but it's true
[00:43:35 - 00:43:42] But saying that disney shouldn't have made sequels. They should have just remade the original trilogy. No, that's wild prequels
[00:43:42 - 00:43:47] I can hear an argument for prequels not original trilogy. Yeah, this is this is insane firm disagree
[00:43:47 - 00:43:49] Luda her stake saddens me
[00:43:49 - 00:43:53] Raging fire raging fire onto the next one. We disagree
[00:43:53 - 00:43:57] Um, but thank you for seeing that in yes, we appreciate you. All right. Let me find one for us
[00:43:58 - 00:44:02] Um, this is a fun one while I find another one. This is from the world according to hawns
[00:44:03 - 00:44:06] I love your name. By the way. This is awesome. Um, I like sand
[00:44:07 - 00:44:12] It's not that coarse rough or irritating and it doesn't get everywhere if you don't let it
[00:44:14 - 00:44:16] That's that's the tape
[00:44:17 - 00:44:21] Um, that's hilarious. All right. I want to I want to take this seriously for a second because this is funny
[00:44:22 - 00:44:23] Um
[00:44:23 - 00:44:26] If you like sand, that's great. I like this feeling of sand between my toes
[00:44:26 - 00:44:31] I don't actually really. Yeah. I look at you look like you wouldn't like sand. I don't like the beach either
[00:44:31 - 00:44:36] What I know like mountains more. Yeah, that fits our vibe actually mountains more too. Oh, really? Yeah, totally
[00:44:36 - 00:44:40] You go to the beach a lot. Yeah. Well, I like once a year, but it's just kind of any old thing
[00:44:41 - 00:44:44] Yeah, but we go to a cabin in the mountains like all the time. It's way better
[00:44:45 - 00:44:51] I love in the fall. Oh my god. Have a weekend better by a fire way better. Um, yeah
[00:44:52 - 00:44:54] Okay, it's not that coarse
[00:44:54 - 00:44:59] It is sand is well wet sand. No, it's just nasty. Sand's gross
[00:44:59 - 00:45:02] It's uh, it's not that rough. It is
[00:45:03 - 00:45:06] It's not always that rough, but it it's pretty rough
[00:45:07 - 00:45:14] Or irritating not gonna lie. It's irritating some rashes can happen. Yeah some shaping can happen. Oh brutal
[00:45:14 - 00:45:18] Um, I do like a nice walk on the beach. No, I do. Yeah, like I can get behind that
[00:45:18 - 00:45:23] Okay, you just redeem yourself like two percent in my mind, but I just uh like I don't think
[00:45:24 - 00:45:27] I don't know if I was by a beach just happened stansily
[00:45:27 - 00:45:31] That's a word now. That's a word. I would go walk on the beach
[00:45:31 - 00:45:34] Yeah, I don't think I'm ever going to drive actively to pursue the beach
[00:45:34 - 00:45:40] I like looking at beach sunsets more than I like playing in the sand on the beach. Yes. I love some spike ball
[00:45:41 - 00:45:43] Yeah, but you can play spike ball in a park
[00:45:43 - 00:45:46] No, but diving in the sand is more fun. It is more fun. That's true
[00:45:46 - 00:45:49] Okay, okay, I'm white by the way if you can't tell
[00:45:50 - 00:45:55] Um, this is the last part and it doesn't get everywhere if you don't let it false
[00:45:55 - 00:46:01] It does no matter how hard you try it gets everywhere. Listen. I went to the beach a few weeks ago
[00:46:01 - 00:46:04] I had a beach bag. I got back to my house
[00:46:04 - 00:46:10] Weeks weeks later. I put a book in my beach bag and then I found sand in the pages right from weeks prior
[00:46:11 - 00:46:13] So it does get everywhere
[00:46:13 - 00:46:14] Um
[00:46:14 - 00:46:16] Firm disagree. How hot is this take?
[00:46:17 - 00:46:21] People love the beach. I'm gonna say some smo enough for smallers. Okay, sure
[00:46:23 - 00:46:28] That's funny. We'll go with that. We appreciate the bed. We gave that a lot of thought
[00:46:29 - 00:46:36] All right, true. You just pick one. Okay. We are gonna go randomly here. We're gonna go for disco
[00:46:36 - 00:46:38] It's spelled dis
[00:46:39 - 00:46:41] qoe
[00:46:41 - 00:46:45] Disco, that's kind of cool. Actually, I like that 1763
[00:46:46 - 00:46:50] What are all are these years or just random strings? Is this your birth year?
[00:46:50 - 00:46:52] Be honest shut up
[00:46:52 - 00:46:58] Uh, my hot take disney should outright take a break on modern star wars and just focus on the old republic
[00:46:58 - 00:47:03] I think they should try to canonize some of the eu material that it's out there because some of it is so good
[00:47:03 - 00:47:07] For example, darth raven and the mandalorian wars darth bane and etc
[00:47:08 - 00:47:11] This should be an easy w and especially
[00:47:12 - 00:47:15] Win back star wars fans. It doesn't even
[00:47:15 - 00:47:17] Have to be
[00:47:17 - 00:47:21] One to one and some of that material could help maybe set up some future things down the line
[00:47:22 - 00:47:25] I would love to see the mandalorian star wars on screen and
[00:47:26 - 00:47:29] And origins of charry
[00:47:29 - 00:47:31] Vissal
[00:47:31 - 00:47:35] The mandalorian jedi you guys are awesome. Keep up the work. We appreciate that
[00:47:36 - 00:47:38] Grant what caused the rage?
[00:47:40 - 00:47:42] That's what we've been saying
[00:47:43 - 00:47:45] Honestly, I might just
[00:47:45 - 00:47:50] I might just quit podcasting. It's true. We have been saying this. It wasn't rage. It was more just an outverse of emotion
[00:47:50 - 00:47:54] Yeah, and that's understandable and it's kind of a star wars thing for me to throw chairs every now and then
[00:47:55 - 00:48:00] Um, I like this take I agree with this take. Yep. We agree. I don't know all the characters you just listed
[00:48:00 - 00:48:02] But either way great, but I yeah, I'm sure they're awesome
[00:48:03 - 00:48:05] Um disney needs to lock down what they're doing
[00:48:06 - 00:48:09] Hang out in one area for a little bit. Yeah
[00:48:10 - 00:48:13] I mean grant has cooked up this idea that I think is really good. I think we we both have
[00:48:14 - 00:48:17] Yeah, man. I feel like it was it's originating your brain. So I'm gonna give a credit sure
[00:48:17 - 00:48:23] Um to do like a lord of the ring saying where you pick one director you say hey peter jackson, but not
[00:48:24 - 00:48:29] Here is your time to play around in star wars. Go make a cohesive trilogy and
[00:48:30 - 00:48:33] We out film it all at once and make it as cohesive as he only possible
[00:48:34 - 00:48:35] And I think it could be awesome
[00:48:35 - 00:48:40] And I think the older public like you said disco is a great place to play so much there
[00:48:41 - 00:48:43] So we agree 10 million percent
[00:48:45 - 00:48:47] Yeah, it's all she wrote man. All she wrote on that one disco
[00:48:48 - 00:48:52] I don't think it's hot at all. I think people and that's the other crazy thing is like
[00:48:52 - 00:48:54] People have been asking for this for so long
[00:48:55 - 00:48:58] And yet and yet disney is just shooting themselves in the foot
[00:48:58 - 00:49:00] repeatedly
[00:49:00 - 00:49:02] We only embers or uh
[00:49:03 - 00:49:07] I think this might be wet logs. Let's go wet logs at least from our perspective
[00:49:07 - 00:49:09] But I freaking love the take great take
[00:49:10 - 00:49:12] All right, that's awesome
[00:49:14 - 00:49:17] Um, okay, let me find one. Okay
[00:49:20 - 00:49:23] Okay, this is this is an interesting one. This is from ectochrome. That's a cool name
[00:49:23 - 00:49:26] That is a cool name ectochrome sounds like it's from tron
[00:49:26 - 00:49:28] um
[00:49:28 - 00:49:33] Hot take while isoka is still one of my goats. She has vastly overstayed her welcome and her legacy
[00:49:34 - 00:49:39] Plus the series as a whole would probably be better off in terms of shaving down general bloat
[00:49:40 - 00:49:43] She had died during rebels or clonwurst season five died
[00:49:44 - 00:49:49] Uh, I'm gonna say not during clonwurst season five. She shouldn't have died then her goodbye is more impactful for anakin
[00:49:50 - 00:49:52] But during rebels. Yeah
[00:49:53 - 00:49:55] She kind of should have died in season two
[00:49:55 - 00:49:57] Like she kind of should have
[00:49:58 - 00:50:02] She was saved by a plot device. True. It's true. Um, I kind of agree here
[00:50:03 - 00:50:05] And this is definitely cause of jay flowney
[00:50:06 - 00:50:09] this being kind of his creation as a character
[00:50:10 - 00:50:12] And not knowing when to part ways
[00:50:13 - 00:50:14] from creator to
[00:50:14 - 00:50:17] created
[00:50:17 - 00:50:20] But like I said should definitely not have been a man now
[00:50:20 - 00:50:22] We shouldn't have a show
[00:50:22 - 00:50:24] She's a great character, but
[00:50:25 - 00:50:29] Like I think what made isoka so great is like
[00:50:32 - 00:50:36] She was this blip in anakin's arc and made anakin's arc significantly better
[00:50:37 - 00:50:41] I agree. I don't know if she has I don't know if her own story is worth telling
[00:50:41 - 00:50:45] Well, I think it is in the sense of like discovering the republic's corruption
[00:50:46 - 00:50:49] And like like that through isoka's lens is so interesting
[00:50:50 - 00:50:53] And watching that kind of explode in her face and all that
[00:50:53 - 00:50:57] I mean like the moment with maul where they have like the monologues back and forth is sick
[00:50:58 - 00:50:59] Yeah, you're right. You're right
[00:50:59 - 00:51:02] But like I don't even know if she should die
[00:51:02 - 00:51:06] Maybe she should but even just sail away and like
[00:51:06 - 00:51:12] On another planet somewhere and just exist. I think it's a fine ending for isoka and makes sense for her character
[00:51:13 - 00:51:16] Jury's out on how her character should should end or should have ended
[00:51:17 - 00:51:20] But I think where her character is now impact wise is worse than
[00:51:21 - 00:51:24] Where it would have been or at least it would have been viewed as
[00:51:25 - 00:51:28] If she had died during rebels like killed by anakin
[00:51:29 - 00:51:33] In season two that was that was the end of season two. Yeah, so
[00:51:34 - 00:51:36] We still could have gotten isoka adventures set in between
[00:51:37 - 00:51:41] Uh, close to rebels. Yeah, we could have gotten stuff so
[00:51:42 - 00:51:45] I don't know. I agree with the steak. Actually. I think this is a good take
[00:51:45 - 00:51:46] Yeah, I do too
[00:51:46 - 00:51:50] How hot is this take drew? I think it's gonna be pretty hot. I'm gonna say enough for s'mores
[00:51:51 - 00:51:52] Okay
[00:51:52 - 00:51:56] Feel like I've given 80 of the takes enough for s'mores, but that's okay
[00:51:56 - 00:51:58] That's fine though. All right
[00:51:59 - 00:52:01] You're up, correct
[00:52:01 - 00:52:02] I am all right. This is from
[00:52:03 - 00:52:06] Michael C. A booze eight six eight five
[00:52:07 - 00:52:10] Hot take the fans are the problem
[00:52:11 - 00:52:12] This is interesting
[00:52:12 - 00:52:17] Visionary directors who were inspired to become filmmakers because of star wars are too terrified to take on the project
[00:52:18 - 00:52:21] Because of the fans now the franchise is circling the drain of what came before
[00:52:22 - 00:52:24] prioritizing safety over storytelling
[00:52:25 - 00:52:30] This is interesting. That's not even crazy either. I mean, yeah star wars fans are low key
[00:52:30 - 00:52:34] The worst critics of star wars. I think I still disagree here
[00:52:35 - 00:52:37] Well, I mean I agree with that like I think
[00:52:38 - 00:52:40] Fans well
[00:52:40 - 00:52:42] I don't even know if I agree actually
[00:52:43 - 00:52:44] I have a take
[00:52:44 - 00:52:45] Okay
[00:52:45 - 00:52:52] I think star wars one of its best strengths is how dedicated its fans are true like a good star wars movie
[00:52:52 - 00:52:55] Can be thrust to the forefront of pop culture
[00:52:55 - 00:53:00] And have the most loyal fans of all time even a mid star wars movie can have that yep
[00:53:01 - 00:53:04] At least a well made mid star wars movie
[00:53:04 - 00:53:07] I think solo will have more fans long term than people think
[00:53:09 - 00:53:10] but
[00:53:10 - 00:53:11] Yes
[00:53:11 - 00:53:13] The fan base is so critical
[00:53:14 - 00:53:18] And I say that as like we didn't like mando and grogu and we critiqued it
[00:53:19 - 00:53:21] To where like if this was another franchise
[00:53:22 - 00:53:28] I don't hear star trek fans griping all that much about bad star trek movies. They're like, yeah, it exists. It's whatever
[00:53:29 - 00:53:33] Star Wars is different. I don't know why I can't yeah quantify it
[00:53:33 - 00:53:36] I do think your take of the visionary directors are afraid
[00:53:36 - 00:53:38] I kind of disagree with
[00:53:38 - 00:53:40] um
[00:53:40 - 00:53:42] In the sense of like
[00:53:43 - 00:53:47] I mean would you classify jon favero as a visionary director? I kind of would low-key
[00:53:47 - 00:53:52] Whether you like his vision or not is a different story, but like visionary director is different than auteur
[00:53:53 - 00:53:57] Different thing right, but I mean you look at bill lord and chris miller who were originally on solo
[00:53:58 - 00:54:00] They were removed because of disney
[00:54:00 - 00:54:02] and then
[00:54:02 - 00:54:06] JJ abram was also removed because of disney in the beginning and then they brought him back
[00:54:06 - 00:54:12] So it's like I think the studio interference here is really what a shot star was in the foot of like
[00:54:13 - 00:54:19] Not a clear vision and not willing to take creative risks unless your name is ryan johnson for some weird reason
[00:54:19 - 00:54:23] But they didn't even give him his trilogy. Yeah, but then they didn't they don't have a chance
[00:54:23 - 00:54:25] They kicked him out when last jedi was
[00:54:26 - 00:54:28] like
[00:54:28 - 00:54:30] Mixed and there were views I stood
[00:54:31 - 00:54:36] So I think disney's lack of bravery is really why directors haven't stuck around. Yeah, or
[00:54:36 - 00:54:38] I think it is stuff. I think it's disney brian
[00:54:38 - 00:54:43] Like the fact that it's just kind of been jon favero and dav filoni now like that's kind of it
[00:54:44 - 00:54:47] Who's working on star wars? I'm not saying this bad to have like
[00:54:48 - 00:54:54] Cohesion, but they aren't the ones cooking in hollywood right now either. So I guess now we have shon levy, which is like
[00:54:55 - 00:55:01] The question that just feels like another font of jon favero to me. So yeah, I like chef and I like elf, but
[00:55:02 - 00:55:06] I think iron man one and two were solid. Yes. Yes. Everyone is a great movie
[00:55:08 - 00:55:14] But yeah, I disagree. I think disney's the problem, but overall I agree with his take. Yeah, I think I'm in the same boat
[00:55:15 - 00:55:16] Um
[00:55:16 - 00:55:21] How hot do you think it is? I think people have been saying I'm gonna say some smoke. Yeah, that's fine. I agree
[00:55:22 - 00:55:24] All right, let's keep this thing rolling. Let's do a few more
[00:55:25 - 00:55:28] Okay, part five will happen one day. Yes, we still have more guys, which is
[00:55:29 - 00:55:32] It's crazy that we still have more to talk about so thank y'all for
[00:55:33 - 00:55:37] Dialoging, but I mean we will probably do this series forever at this rate. Yeah, honestly
[00:55:37 - 00:55:45] Um, this is from paperback production hot take cool name. Yeah, it's cool name. Um, star wars would be a perfect
[00:55:46 - 00:55:48] In all caps perfect franchise
[00:55:48 - 00:55:54] If the only in all caps only canon material is andor rogue one and the original trilogy
[00:55:54 - 00:55:58] Andor builds the universe out informs us of the rebellion and what's going on
[00:55:58 - 00:56:04] Then it leads into rogue one where we focus solely on the rebellion and what the empire is as a threat aka the deser
[00:56:06 - 00:56:07] Sorry
[00:56:07 - 00:56:09] And it leads directly into the original trilogy
[00:56:09 - 00:56:12] It would be perfect. That's not that crazy
[00:56:13 - 00:56:15] It's not that crazy now
[00:56:15 - 00:56:18] We wouldn't have as many highs in star wars true
[00:56:19 - 00:56:21] but like
[00:56:21 - 00:56:24] Ignorance is blessing the situation. We don't know those exist
[00:56:25 - 00:56:28] So if this is only if this is the only material we have
[00:56:29 - 00:56:33] I have a couple of hangups one and I think I might be in the minority of this
[00:56:33 - 00:56:37] I don't think the transition from and or season two to rogue one is super great
[00:56:37 - 00:56:39] Dress from like castians arc
[00:56:40 - 00:56:40] like
[00:56:40 - 00:56:44] My biggest problem is that kathian struggles to trust anyone on the whole show
[00:56:44 - 00:56:48] And then up in trust jen an hour into the show when it took
[00:56:50 - 00:56:53] 23 hours to trust luthan of material
[00:56:54 - 00:56:59] I mean even kind of like he didn't really trust luthan, but that's kind of nitpicky, I guess. Yeah
[00:57:00 - 00:57:02] and
[00:57:03 - 00:57:07] Would we call the original trilogy perfect like as as as a narrative?
[00:57:08 - 00:57:14] I think I'm not I don't hate this. I don't hate it either. I would say my critique is that
[00:57:15 - 00:57:22] Andor and rogue one don't get enough into the jedi which are a core part an integral part of star wars, but only because of
[00:57:23 - 00:57:25] What we know
[00:57:25 - 00:57:27] Like pretend you don't right. You're right. No, you're right
[00:57:28 - 00:57:29] like pretend
[00:57:29 - 00:57:31] Yeah, just forget about everything except for
[00:57:32 - 00:57:37] These four or five things. No, you're right. I think I would actually like the transition from
[00:57:37 - 00:57:42] Rogue one and or rogue one into like luke is the saving grace and luke is the jedi
[00:57:42 - 00:57:44] Yeah, I mean that could be sick
[00:57:44 - 00:57:49] Like that would emphasize luke's return so much more because you would have watched all this content without luke
[00:57:49 - 00:57:55] That's not I do think chronologically bringing in the jedi after the grittiness of and or and rogue one
[00:57:55 - 00:58:00] It would be a vibe switch up for sure. You would be like those tones are different from new hope to rogue one
[00:58:01 - 00:58:02] um
[00:58:02 - 00:58:05] But I guess Darth Vader comes in at rogue one. So you like you introduce the lightsabers and like
[00:58:06 - 00:58:08] The fact that there are these greater things. Yeah
[00:58:10 - 00:58:14] I don't know super interesting. I kind of agree. I don't know if I'd call it perfect, but like
[00:58:15 - 00:58:17] This is I think
[00:58:17 - 00:58:19] like raw storytelling
[00:58:19 - 00:58:21] this and or
[00:58:21 - 00:58:23] To return to the jedi is the best
[00:58:24 - 00:58:29] That we have you're probably right. This isn't crazy. How hot does this take drew? Um
[00:58:30 - 00:58:35] I'm gonna say enough for smores. All right shocker. Let's just hot schmoes
[00:58:37 - 00:58:39] Okay, I'm gonna go with you're up
[00:58:41 - 00:58:43] Oh, whoa, I'm into the ones we've already done now
[00:58:45 - 00:58:47] Holy moly we have done a lot of these
[00:58:47 - 00:58:49] and mowing through them
[00:58:49 - 00:58:53] All right, this is a long one. All right. I'm buckled in this is from
[00:58:53 - 00:58:56] limber lad limber lad my goat. Okay
[00:58:58 - 00:59:00] Yeah, this is long
[00:59:00 - 00:59:06] Okay, the star wars games kept the franchise alive and relevant during all the movie dry spells prior to the disney purchase
[00:59:07 - 00:59:10] Okay, so I wasn't really around here. So this will be interesting
[00:59:11 - 00:59:17] Uh, I'll even take it a step further and say the star wars works better as a video game franchise and a film franchise
[00:59:17 - 00:59:21] Oh, that's kind of not crazy. Really? I think that's kind of crazy. Well, I have an argument here
[00:59:22 - 00:59:27] I grew up in the 90s. All I had to go on were the old vhs until the special edition re-release
[00:59:28 - 00:59:33] And then tie fighter on pc came out in 94 and it was incredible and it holds up in its own way today
[00:59:34 - 00:59:36] X wings came out of your prior and was okay too
[00:59:37 - 00:59:44] And 95 dark forces came out introducing kyle cantar and give and gave fans the original death star schematic heist
[00:59:45 - 00:59:46] and
[00:59:46 - 00:59:49] Was launching the the and the launching point
[00:59:50 - 00:59:54] Hold on and was the launching point of a great game franchise that expanded the universe in a fun way
[00:59:55 - 01:00:00] Okay, 96 gave it shadows of the empire an entire multimedia based entry into the star wars canon
[01:00:01 - 01:00:04] We got star wars rogue squadron 98 which helped out flesh
[01:00:05 - 01:00:09] Which helped out flesh out that is how it's written
[01:00:10 - 01:00:13] Uh, some minor characters in the franchise and showed fans planets
[01:00:13 - 01:00:18] We had only heard of in the movies then starting in 99 the episode one and the prequel started coming out
[01:00:18 - 01:00:20] I was around 10 at the time and remember liking this stuff
[01:00:22 - 01:00:24] A 10 year old will like Darth Maul
[01:00:25 - 01:00:32] But even then I could recognize it as a bad movie episode two only made it worse. However during the time throughout the
[01:00:33 - 01:00:37] How do you say that throughout the 2000s the o's
[01:00:37 - 01:00:43] There was banger after banger as far as games go from jedi night series to rogue squadron sequels
[01:00:43 - 01:00:46] galaxy battlefront 2 by the way the og battlefront 2 game
[01:00:47 - 01:00:49] I've probably put like
[01:00:49 - 01:00:52] 200 hours in it's so good
[01:00:52 - 01:00:54] um
[01:00:54 - 01:00:57] Battlefront 2 night to the older public great game and beyond granted
[01:00:57 - 01:01:00] I know the clone was huge and it's really well regarded
[01:01:00 - 01:01:03] But I didn't have access to it at the time as I didn't have cable
[01:01:04 - 01:01:09] Games were far more accessible to me even the modern era star wars squadron has a way better story than any
[01:01:09 - 01:01:12] Then it has any right to and the ea games jedi games
[01:01:13 - 01:01:15] Have some of the best jedi based narratives in all star wars
[01:01:16 - 01:01:22] Hmm. I don't hate this. I don't hate this either. Um, I've got to take you out your word because
[01:01:23 - 01:01:29] Yeah, I wasn't alive playing any of the 90 games really. Yeah, so I've heard great things about some of them, but
[01:01:29 - 01:01:33] It's all hearsay, but I will take you at your word battlefront 2
[01:01:34 - 01:01:38] My dad had and I like as a kid I played on his computer all the time
[01:01:39 - 01:01:44] The games I mean like even recent games have been pretty well regarded overall not every single one
[01:01:44 - 01:01:51] I haven't heard good things about outlaws, but like oh, yeah, I forgot that game exists overall the games have been pretty well regarded
[01:01:51 - 01:01:54] Yeah, so I don't think it's crazy. Here's my take on
[01:01:55 - 01:01:57] movies versus games. Okay
[01:01:58 - 01:02:00] um, this isn't the best comparison also because
[01:02:01 - 01:02:04] I've only read played and watched some of this series, but
[01:02:05 - 01:02:11] Culturally the witcher series guy the games are highly regarded. Yeah, especially you witcher 3 wild hunt
[01:02:11 - 01:02:15] Works great great world to play the game in I've played some of the game. It's great
[01:02:15 - 01:02:20] Um, the books are well regarded as well. I would say star wars would maybe work better as a novelization
[01:02:21 - 01:02:23] If we're like really going there
[01:02:24 - 01:02:26] And not no, I don't know. I don't know if I fully agree with that, but
[01:02:27 - 01:02:29] I don't know if I agree with that. I'm torn on that jury's out
[01:02:30 - 01:02:32] But then the witcher show didn't work
[01:02:32 - 01:02:35] And like maybe it could have worked. I think it might have worked, but
[01:02:36 - 01:02:39] Like the witcher's probably best is a video game book vibe
[01:02:40 - 01:02:42] Star Wars might fit that same
[01:02:42 - 01:02:43] thing
[01:02:43 - 01:02:45] Like I don't even know that's crazy
[01:02:45 - 01:02:47] I agree
[01:02:47 - 01:02:49] with
[01:02:49 - 01:02:51] limberlade here in the sense of
[01:02:52 - 01:02:55] I would argue that the games have been much more consistent
[01:02:56 - 01:02:58] Yeah, even kind of like
[01:02:58 - 01:03:00] Like battlefront one the new one
[01:03:01 - 01:03:04] People kind of clowned on and even the story of battlefront 2 is like only fine
[01:03:05 - 01:03:06] of the new one
[01:03:06 - 01:03:07] um
[01:03:07 - 01:03:10] The story of battlefront 2 the og like the 501st
[01:03:11 - 01:03:13] Really arc so dang good
[01:03:13 - 01:03:19] Um, but even though it's have been like fine and that's kind of like the lowest it gets I feel like other than like
[01:03:19 - 01:03:21] What's the new one outlaw?
[01:03:21 - 01:03:23] That one could be bad. I don't know
[01:03:24 - 01:03:25] But then there are some like
[01:03:25 - 01:03:28] A bit of most star wars movies as we talked about
[01:03:29 - 01:03:33] We're just really inconsistent star wars movies. I kind of agree. It's like
[01:03:34 - 01:03:37] You know a video game can have a mid to bad story
[01:03:37 - 01:03:40] Yeah, it'll be worth your time because the gameplay. Yeah, because it's fun
[01:03:41 - 01:03:46] A mid to bad star wars movie with decent visuals is not worth your time in my opinion. I agree
[01:03:47 - 01:03:52] Like I feel that way about mando and grugu grow goo now had mando and grugu been a game with fun gameplay
[01:03:52 - 01:03:55] I probably would be like out the story's fine. Yeah, that would have been fun
[01:03:56 - 01:03:59] Actually, I actually like where you're sitting number lad
[01:04:00 - 01:04:03] I think I agree. I didn't think I was gonna agree. I'll agree as well
[01:04:04 - 01:04:08] Drew, how do we feel on the hotness scale here? I'm going to say it's gotta be kind of hot
[01:04:09 - 01:04:13] I'm between enough first moors are raging fire. I'm putting down enough first moors because
[01:04:14 - 01:04:18] That's what you were probably gonna say. That is what I was gonna say knowing your patterns. Um
[01:04:19 - 01:04:21] All right, do you want to do one more?
[01:04:21 - 01:04:22] Let's do one more
[01:04:22 - 01:04:27] Okay, this is kind of a recent topic. Okay, this is from sassy games. No relation
[01:04:28 - 01:04:30] No, no interesting name
[01:04:30 - 01:04:32] interesting name, um
[01:04:32 - 01:04:34] Hot take maul
[01:04:34 - 01:04:39] Talking about shadow lord great show should have been a movie. Hmm. Didn't we already do this one?
[01:04:40 - 01:04:41] I don't think so
[01:04:41 - 01:04:43] I feel like we've talked about this on this series but continue
[01:04:43 - 01:04:46] We might have talked about the same topic but maul should have been a a movie
[01:04:47 - 01:04:50] They were trying to do a slow burn story with short episodes that just doesn't
[01:04:50 - 01:04:54] Work as well as they wanted it to is clear in my opinion that Dave
[01:04:55 - 01:05:00] Filoni saw the andor was a hit and worked as a slow burn and tried to mimic that. Okay. Okay
[01:05:01 - 01:05:07] Maul would have been a decent show if it wasn't for the really bad pacing. I thought you lost me. Maul was a great show
[01:05:07 - 01:05:12] I don't care if you're like, oh it mimics and or it's still really really really good
[01:05:12 - 01:05:19] And it might be a slow like it's not even a slow burn. Honestly, it's it's faster than and or it's great
[01:05:19 - 01:05:21] Maul is a great show
[01:05:21 - 01:05:26] The animation is almost worth the price of admission and like yes, it's that good. It is that good
[01:05:26 - 01:05:29] I mean some of the lightsaber fights are like so
[01:05:29 - 01:05:32] But the story is really good. The story is also great. Sam Whitworth cooks
[01:05:34 - 01:05:36] I don't think this would have been better as a movie. We did talk about this before
[01:05:36 - 01:05:39] I don't I don't think this would have been better as a movie. I don't
[01:05:41 - 01:05:43] Yeah, I don't really think it would be either I think
[01:05:44 - 01:05:46] I think the the
[01:05:47 - 01:05:49] I don't know if I like shows better
[01:05:49 - 01:05:54] I think it just depends it really does when you're really trying to get into a character specifically
[01:05:55 - 01:05:58] Shows are just so good at that because you have more time. Yeah
[01:05:58 - 01:06:02] like so when you're trying to get into the head of maul and really get into like
[01:06:03 - 01:06:05] Him expanding his crime empire
[01:06:05 - 01:06:10] This is the way to do it. Yeah for sure. Yep. Um, I mean, maybe you could argue it would give me a maul trilogy
[01:06:10 - 01:06:12] which is like fine
[01:06:12 - 01:06:14] but
[01:06:14 - 01:06:15] like
[01:06:15 - 01:06:17] Maul really came alive in animation
[01:06:18 - 01:06:22] So I think having a another show that is also animated and looks incredible
[01:06:23 - 01:06:27] Is a great way to pay homage to the clone wars, but also just to give us a really dang good story
[01:06:28 - 01:06:29] I think maul
[01:06:29 - 01:06:32] In live action again could work as another villain
[01:06:32 - 01:06:38] Like as a a crime boss villain again in a movie. I think he could work. Okay. I don't think he would
[01:06:39 - 01:06:42] I just don't know if he would translate back to live action super well
[01:06:42 - 01:06:47] So I I'm gonna disagree. I'm sure we will get a maul live action villain at some point
[01:06:48 - 01:06:50] That just maybe I don't know
[01:06:50 - 01:06:52] I mean, I guess they tried with solo
[01:06:53 - 01:06:58] They tried to set it up and I'm sure he would have been in the solo trilogy that was going to happen at one point, but
[01:06:59 - 01:07:01] didn't happen so
[01:07:01 - 01:07:06] This is a good take though. Yeah, it's interesting. How do you feel on the hotness skill for this one drew?
[01:07:07 - 01:07:10] I died. I gotta get more creative, but my gut is enough for smores here
[01:07:11 - 01:07:13] Should I just pick yeah, you pick something else
[01:07:14 - 01:07:16] But tell me enough for smores doesn't work
[01:07:16 - 01:07:22] It's you know what? I'm going enough for smores. I know I think we only had one raging fire today. No, no, we had two we had two
[01:07:24 - 01:07:26] All right, okay
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