Miracle on 34th Street (1994)

In this cozy holiday episode, host Katie welcomes back regular guest Ryan Rabalkin to dive into the 1994 John Hughes-scripted remake of Miracle on 34th Street, exploring why this nineties update of the 1947 classic became its own nostalgic time capsule filled with Christmas magic. The duo opens a 1994 time capsule with top VHS rentals like Sleepless in Seattle, The Fugitive, and Forrest Gump, iconic commercials like Skittles' "Taste the Rainbow," and headline making events including the Nancy Kerrigan attack, the O.J. Simpson chase, and Kurt Cobain's death, before dissecting the film's cast, led by Richard Attenborough's heartfelt Kris Kringle, Elizabeth Perkins, Dylan McDermott, and young Mara Wilson, its philosophical courtroom drama on faith and belief, comparisons to the sharper original, romantic subplot quirks, and whether it's truly a kids' movie or an adult reflection on the spirit of Christmas.

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Katie Geilenkirchen

Host

Ryan Rebalkin

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Katie: Hello. Hello, I'm Katie, and welcome back to Retro Made. Today we're heading into holiday territory with the 1994 remake
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of Miracle on 34th Street. The version that tried to bring Chris Gringle into the nineties ended up
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becoming its own nostalgic time capsule. So let's dig into the movie as well as the era and why this version still delivers
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some cozy Christmas vibes decades later. My guest today is a familiar face, my regular podcast
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partner in crime, Ryan Rabkin. Welcome, Ryan. Ryan Rebalkin: Thanks Katie.
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It's a pleasure to be here and happy holidays and Merry Christmas and all those things to you and your listeners
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Katie: Thank you. Yeah. At the time of this recording, American Thanksgiving was. Ryan Rebalkin: just Katie: Like a day or so ago.
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Yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, Katie: now it's officially Christmas time. I have a kind of a festive sweater on.
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So yeah, Ryan, you have a full slate of shows and projects going on at any given time.
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So why don't you remind us what, what you're working on these days. Ryan Rebalkin: Let's just keep it simple. Check out the Director's chair network, which of course, your
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John Hughes coverage is on. But if people are interested in hearing other director's works, just Google
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the Director's Chair Network podcast. It'll come up where it's available. It's available everywhere, YouTube and audio.
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And for poops and giggles, check out the worst of the best podcast. That's where Katie's been on before as well. And that's the one where we do a variety of different topics and we
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just pick the worst from the best. And I'm really looking forward to our end of the year episode the dead celebrity
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roundup, which is always our most fun, where we pick the worst celebrity death. And how does that work, Katie? It's, there's two things.
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One. Which one affected us the worst. You know? Which one, which one hurt the worst? You know, the biggest fan that we might've been, and which we think
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is the worst person that died. So we're, we're kind of happy. They're gone. Not in the bad, you know what I mean? But Katie: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan Rebalkin: really like that person, you know? So. Katie: That is a fun episode. I'm looking forward to that.
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Ryan Rebalkin: I'm looking forward to it as well. Okay. Katie: Awesome. Ryan Rebalkin: excited for this. Katie: I think this is the only John Hughes movie that we're
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covering on this season from 1994. So Ryan Rebalkin: wow. Katie: we get into the movie, let's get into the mood from , 31 years ago.
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Ryan Rebalkin: For context, Katie, I graduated high school June of 93.
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Katie: Wow. Yeah. My old, my sister graduated in 93 too. One of my sisters.
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So we are going to open the time capsule and spin. The wheel of retro made categories and see how, I have a feeling you're
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gonna be good at these since you, Ryan Rebalkin: maybe Katie: okay.
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We have commercial countdown. Ryan Rebalkin: Okay. Katie: In 1994,
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There were some notable campaigns. These are pretty good ones.
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Okay. There's an iconic and long running slogan and campaign that first launched in 1994,
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aiming to capture the unique flavors of the candy through a sensory experience.
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Ryan Rebalkin: So you have to keep in mind, I'm also Canadian, so some of your candies products and stuff might Katie: You, this is a, I have a feeling.
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So it's a, it's a, Ryan Rebalkin: m's one? Katie: You're on the right track. It's similar. It's a colorful candy.
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Yes. And what was the campaign? Ryan Rebalkin: Rainbow Katie: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, boy.
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Boy, their marketing works, eh? Geez. Katie: You know, Skittles are really good. Ryan Rebalkin: They're good.
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I do prefer I, I don't mind. It's, it's got that tartness. I'm not a big tart guy. I'm more of a sweet guy.
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I, so I would, Katie: Mm. Ryan Rebalkin: and msms, but Sure. I, I'll eat a bag of Skittles. Katie: I, mean Ryan Rebalkin: me force my hand, Katie.
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I'll eat a bag of Skittles. Katie: Let's find another category that crosses the cultural boundaries of countries.
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Ryan Rebalkin: your Katie: Hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: way. Katie: VHS Vault is the category we've come to. So I have a feeling you're gonna be really good at this
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Ryan Rebalkin: Hmm. Katie: top rented movies of 1994.
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Ryan Rebalkin: This is tricky. 'cause VHS in the time is like, for example, I mean, we're gonna be talking about Mr. Attenberg today, and he was in Jurassic Park, 1993.
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So that came out in 93. So I assume it, see it ran in the summer of 93, so I assume
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it was on VHS rental in 94. So would Jurassic Park be up there for a top rental? Katie: That's a really good guess.
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Ryan Rebalkin: You get what I'm saying? I Katie: yeah, Ryan Rebalkin: out quicker than I remember back then? Katie: Sometimes it's a crapshoot.
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'cause some movies are so big that they stay in the theater for longer. You know what I mean? So keep that in mind.
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Yes. Okay. So I was gonna see if you had any, just off the top of your head. Ryan Rebalkin: I can't remember.
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Katie: Okay. This film was the top video cassette rental, hence our
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VHS vault titled category. It stars, boy, it's gonna give it away.
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My Tom Hanks is the lead star, and then there's another lead woman. If I say her name, it'll
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no. Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, really? Not Katie: It is a romantic comedy.
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They fall in love across the country from each other. Ryan Rebalkin: was then, see, this is what I mean.
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I think Forrest Gump was 93. When was sleepless was that after Forrest? Because I'm 99% sure.
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Forres Gump was 93 94 because it lost to, to pulp Fiction for best pitcher, or sorry, pulp Fiction lost to Forres Gump for best pitcher.
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And that was a big kerfuffle. Boy, this is crazy. I thought Sleepless in Seattle was an earlier films.
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This is Katie: It came out in 93. Ryan Rebalkin: he had two films that
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Katie: Yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: big. Katie: mean, Tom Hanks was, yeah, he was huge at the time, so, yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: that one beat Wow.
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Katie: Well, again, these are video rentals, you know, so think of, you know, your, your strolling with your, maybe your boyfriend or your girlfriend through,
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you know, a blockbuster. Ryan Rebalkin: People Katie: Okay. Ryan Rebalkin: So that, so it came in the theaters in 94, so I guess, yeah, you're
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Katie: That tracks. Mm-hmm. Yep. Ryan Rebalkin: weird. This is what I mean. I get so confused. Katie: This one is, yeah.
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Ryan Rebalkin: 93 and you're rented in 94? Katie: Yep. Exactly. Okay. Now, next one, released in late 93.
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This film was the fifth most rented video of 94 starring Harrison Ford.
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Is that helping you at all, or do you need Ryan Rebalkin: me. Was he doing the Clear and present Danger films then? The
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Katie: kind of genre. He was wrongly, he was wrongly convicted Ryan Rebalkin: yeah, Katie: of murdering his wife.
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Ryan Rebalkin: why is, it wasn't me. It was a one arm man. What was that called? The Fugitive? Yes. Katie: Yeah. Yeah.
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Very good. Very good. Ryan Rebalkin: Oh my gosh. That's the classic meme from Tom Lee Jones. I don't care.
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I love that meme when Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: in the tunnel 'cause says I didn't kill, or, you know, I'm innocent.
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And Tom Lee Jones is like, I don't care. I've, I've just, I'm, I'm ordered to arrest you. Like I let the courts figure this out.
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I just have to arrest you. I love that. Yeah. Katie: All right. The highly successful legal and political thriller that seems like
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very much this time, lots of, lots of that going on at this time. It's based on a John Grisham novel, fourth most rented film of 94.
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It starts Julia Roberts. Ryan Rebalkin: at the Pelican Brief with Denzel Washington. Katie: Yes. Law student who uncovers a dangerous conspiracy.
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You're right, it is the Pelican Brief. Ryan Rebalkin: Denzel one of my favorite actors of all Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: funny with Julia, I have softened with her.
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I don't Katie: I love her. Ryan Rebalkin: I always hardened on her. because remember, I'm a teen when she's a big actress.
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Like her, her stratosphere of stardom was when I was a teenager and I Katie: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan Rebalkin: it was that she didn't, but as I've gotten older, I've gotten to appreciate her a little bit more. That's the same with other ones you've covered on your show, like people like
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Patrick Swayze, we've talked about that, where I wasn't a big fan of Katie: Yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: up 'cause it just Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: like come on, on, you're
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not, you're, you're not sly, you're not Arnold. You do you think you are Mr. Swayze pretty boy.
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And but when I got older I was like, oh, I, I like him. So, yeah. Katie: Well, I'm kind of surprised about Julia because she's very attractive.
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Didn't you think she was at least nice to look at? Ryan Rebalkin: Well, yes, she is a very pretty of course and pretty woman.
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I think it was just her, I don't know. I think it might've been her laugh and pretty woman bugged Katie: Oh, Ryan Rebalkin: and I think it was rubbed off. Katie: I can see that
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Ryan Rebalkin: bugged me. Katie: Oh, I love it. Ryan Rebalkin: I've grown to like her over the years. And I will say we actually shared the same birthday, if you
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Katie: You and Julia Roberts. Ryan Rebalkin: both born October 28th. Yes. So Katie: Oh, Ryan Rebalkin: yearly that we shared the same
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Katie: Very nice. Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah. Katie: Okay. This is wild. This is another, we were just talking about how on fire
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Tom Hanks was at the time. This is another, another hot video rental at this time was another Tom Hanks movie.
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Ryan Rebalkin: Well, that has to be Philadelphia Katie: It is the, are you Cheating Ryan? Ryan Rebalkin: Denzel, Denzel of course, played the the guy who was like.
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I wouldn't say homophobic, but I guess Katie: yeah, Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: definitely in that film and you know, having to help.
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saw that, I believe I saw Philadelphia in the theater I'd just seen it the one time. Just the one time.
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But I saw it in the Katie: Well, it's not a real rewatch, you know, it's the content of it, it doesn't spark.
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Yeah. Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: A, like the feel good movie of the year. I put Philadelphia and Schindler us on every holidays season to get into the MO
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Katie: Yeah. Yeah. So just as a reminder, you guys, Tom Hanks won an Oscar for that role.
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Ryan Rebalkin: in a row. Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: He was a back toback winner for Philadelphia and, for
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Katie: For Gump. Ryan Rebalkin: winner. Yeah. Katie: Who doesn't love Tom Hanks, man. I mean, he's like,
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Ryan Rebalkin: of Katie: this America's sweetheart. Ryan Rebalkin: a lot of people Katie: Well, you gotta be crazy if you don't. Ryan Rebalkin: I love his movies.
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Katie: yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: his movies. Yes. Katie: Last one, Ryan? Ryan Rebalkin: Okay. I, I'm not doing very good by the way.
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Katie: No, actually you are. Because this, I will say again, this category is a little tricky because it's not, you know, it's the rentals.
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So you're trying to figure out like a Yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: I just, Yeah. there were so many.
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Here's the thing about the nineties too. There was, was such a heyday of great films. Like we just talking about all these films was just Tom Hanks, I mean from, you know,
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for gum Philadelphia Super in Seattle. Then he was a League of their own just before that. I am looking at it over here
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Katie: Oh, I forgot they got their own. Yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: yeah, and it's just he had a run, right? And then Katie: Yeah.
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Ryan Rebalkin: then Toy Story. So this guy, and then Saving Private Ryan this guy has a run, you Katie: Y yeah, I mean, he never stopped, to be honest with you.
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'cause he was real big in the eighties, With all those comedies. Ryan Rebalkin: And Toy Story five's being made right now, by the way.
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Katie: Is it, can I admit something? I've never seen any Toy Story movie. Ryan Rebalkin: they're fun.
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Katie: I hear that, but I just, it doesn't draw me in. Ryan Rebalkin: Well, you're a motherless woman,
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Katie: Yes, I am a mother to canine kids,
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Ryan Rebalkin: yes, Katie: that doesn't Yeah. Toy story. Huh? Ryan Rebalkin: actually. Legit. It's great storytelling. Katie: I hear that.
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I mean, I, I believe it. Ryan Rebalkin: and the other thing is too, is I relate to the boy, especially with the first one about him playing with his toys and having
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these relationship with his toys. That was me. I had a relationship with my toys, and so I totally get that storytelling
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of, and then it's about a, a boy who grows old, and that's the thing that, you know, you outgrow your
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Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: heartfelt type storyline. yeah, Katie: I like it. Ryan Rebalkin: yeah, Katie: Maybe one day there's just so much content
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Ryan Rebalkin: there's too much. I know. Katie: Alright. Last one of this category, this action thriller starring Clint Eastwood as
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a Secret service agent haunted by his past third most runs video of the year. What movie is this?
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Ryan Rebalkin: hard to buy. His past was. The one where he protected the president? No.
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Katie: Secret Service agent. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Ryan Rebalkin: With John Kovich? No.
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Okay. He had a few in the nineties too. I love Clint. Unforgiven. He had a in the line of fire was the one I'm thinking
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Katie: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: but it's not that one. Katie: It is that one. It is that one in the line of fire.
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Secret service agent. Yeah. Yep. Ryan Rebalkin: I'll never forget the classic scene. He is right along beside the car. It's just funny. Clint was old then.
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That was 30 years ago, but he wasn't old and like he was, but he was, and he is 60 something, which isn't that really that old, but it's just funny
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to think like, oh, Clint, he's what was an old actor in the nineties, but Katie: he Ryan Rebalkin: something. Katie: He, I mean, that's
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not young. Ryan Rebalkin: It's not young. but it's not like it's I know, but he's still alive. The guy, it's
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Katie: He's very, he's what, mid nineties maybe. Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, he's, he's.
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He's, I think he's just about dead. Fingers Katie: But he is still working.
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Ryan Rebalkin: of the year. No, that's, yeah, he's 95. Katie: Yeah. I, yeah. And he is still like directing things, I feel like.
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Ryan Rebalkin: Bless his heart, he's still doing it. He, well the last film that he starred in was Cry Macho in 2021.
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The last Katie: Mm. Ryan Rebalkin: was juror number two in 2024, which I saw that movie.
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I didn't even know it was him that directed it until I saw the movie. So that was his last film, which is only, I guess a year ago. I don't think he's directing anything right now.
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I think he might officially be retired. Katie: okay. I've, yeah, Ryan Rebalkin: he's got anything on the go right now. 95. Come on, Clint.
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Katie: I swear I saw like a still of him on a set of something. I could be wrong, but anyway.
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Good on you. I mean, keep, Ryan Rebalkin: I Katie: yeah. Betty White worked until she died at 99.
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Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: crazy. That's crazy. Katie: All right. We have one more category. We came to back in the headlines, Ryan,
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Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, Katie: big, news stories in 94. There's a few of 'em that are really well known, so I'd be
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surprised if you didn't get them. Ryan Rebalkin: Sure. Katie: Okay. January 94, the US and the world was captivated by a bizarre incident at
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a figure skating practice session. Ryan Rebalkin: is the what? The, Katie: Olympic hopeful was clubbed on the knee.
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Ryan Rebalkin: no, sorry. Kate Nancy Carrigan and the blonde-haired one. Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: What was her name again?
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Frick. Don't tell Katie: Don't tell you. Ryan Rebalkin: name. Like I, if I saw the name in a fricking thousand
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Katie: Yes. Ryan Rebalkin: I'd pick it out. Nancy Kerrigan. And Katie: her main rival Tanya is her first name.
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Ryan Rebalkin: Harding. Yeah. Katie: Yeah. So yep. The attack on figure skater Nancy Carrigan.
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Ryan Rebalkin: Bat to the lake. Katie: Or was it a baseball bat or some sort of a Ryan Rebalkin: she got hit with a
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baseball bat, but it wasn't, it wasn't Taja that did the blow, I don't think. I think Katie: No, no, no, no.
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There was a whole, and movies have been made and we'll actually talk about it because Ryan Rebalkin: Margo, Katie: of our
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Ryan Rebalkin: Taja. Or I ta or something. I wanna Katie: mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: film. But yeah, I Katie: Oh, you haven't seen it? It's good. I, I, Tanya
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Ryan Rebalkin: is she, she got somebody to hit somebody with a bat with their leg. Right. Or Katie: and her husband. Ryan Rebalkin: Isn't
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Katie: Yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: you? It's such a what a weird, just be better than her.
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Katie: Well, I think she still asserts that she had nothing to do with it, that her husband paid this. And it was like some guy that, but many movies have been made
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about it over the last 30 years. I, Tanya is really good, but a lot of TV movies and stuff, you
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know, remember in the nineties there were a lot of TV movies. Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah. Yeah. Katie: loved it about this kind of stuff. Okay.
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Now this next one, on June 17th, 94, an estimated 95 million viewers tuned in to
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watch live footage of police pursuing a very specific vehicle in the Los Angeles.
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And who was it carrying? Ryan Rebalkin: oj who's innocent? May he rest in Katie: Oh dear.
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Oh dear. Ryan Rebalkin: I honestly, I, I have a, I, you know, what if, put my little tenfold hat on here.
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What will a father do for his son? I believe he took the hit for his son. I don't know. There's a part of me, the, the glove didn't fit because it fit his son, Katie,
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Katie: Well, I sort of believe the conspiracy about JonBenet Ramsey, that the kit, the son did it. Maybe like I, you know, that they covered.
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Ryan Rebalkin: out here. Think about it. Think about oj the reason why he could be so like, like when he did get
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out, like how could he go on Twitter? How could he have this? How? Because he actually didn't kill anyone. His crime was protecting his son.
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If you put that cap on, that's how he could be still kind of the jovial OJ that he was.
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Because if you think about it, he didn't kill his wife and, and the lover. It was the son who was mad at his mother stepping out.
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So there you go. The glove didn't fit. He OJ covered for his son and life goes on. Katie: I don't buy it.
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They were already broken up. It's not like they were still. Ryan Rebalkin: you. Katie: But I like your tin tin hat. Thanks for, thanks for playing conspiracy theories
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with Katie and Ryan. Ryan Rebalkin: Uh uh. Let us know in the show notes if Ryan's off his rocker. Katie: Mm-hmm. Alright, last one, Ryan.
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April 5th. The music world was rocked by the death of the, the lead singer of an
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say again. Ryan Rebalkin: Freddie Mercury. Katie: No. Nope. That was earlier Ryan Rebalkin: that's earlier. Okay. Katie: Lead singer of iconic grunge band.
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Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, okay. Another conspiracy. He was murdered.
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He was murdered by whole singer. Courtney. Courtney. Love. Katie: His suicide
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Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, Katie: at the age of 27. Now there's the conspiracy, you know, there's this whole, like the 27 club.
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Ryan Rebalkin: conspiracy. Look, just Google it. Folks have some fun. All I'm saying, all I say about conspiracy theories, Katie, is
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I don't necessarily subscribe. You've heard my worst of the best Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: I don't necessarily subscribe to them, but they're so,
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they're, they're fun to they examine and talk about like, why did people get there? Katie: Well, some are fun, but some really cause real harm and damage
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to people, like not believing school shootings and stuff like that, or Yeah. But they're all conspiracy theories, so,
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Ryan Rebalkin: the yeah, Kurt Cobain caused the damage himself. I think the damage has been done. Katie: so yes, the answer is the death of Kurt Cobain.
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Well that concludes this portion of the time Capsule on Retro Made. Thank you for playing Ryan.
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Ryan Rebalkin: It's always fun. I'm not very good at it, but it is fun to think those days for me. 'cause I'm old. I'm 50 now and those days it seems like yesterday, like I
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remember when Kurt killed himself. I remember when Nancy got hit with a baseball bat.
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it's just weird. I remember I oj and the, and the verdict and all that stuff. It's just weird that Yeah, the rounds that made the, the,
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everything happened at once. Look at what a busy year, right? Katie: Well, the Yes, the mid nineties really were and
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the thi it so it's 30 also. You're right, it does kind of seem both like forever ago in that these things
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have been pared and joked about so much now that it almost doesn't seem real. But these.
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This really did happen. But yeah, a lot happened, man. Ryan Rebalkin: A lot happened. But you know what else happened?
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Katie Miracle at 34th Street was released. Katie: it was, so shall we get into the 1994 remake of
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Miracle on 34th Street, Ryan,
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this is one of four remakes that we're covering on this John Hughes season.
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Can you think of the other three? Ryan Rebalkin: oh boy. You're putting me on the spot. 'cause I listened to all your episodes, remake.
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So I'd have to go to the John Hughes. Katie: You can't look it up. You can't look it up. Ryan Rebalkin: going to right now just because I, I don't even
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know what necessarily has been a remake to be honest with you, Katie: Well, we've covered two on the show. One has not been released yet.
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Ryan Rebalkin: Okay. I'm just looking to be honest with you. He was, oh, well, I guess 101 Dalmatians. Well, no, he, oh, you're carbon writing too.
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So that was a remake I Katie: Yep. 101. Dalmatians is one of 'em, and that episode hasn't.
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hasn't come out yet. Ryan Rebalkin: Okay. That Hasn't come out yet. Miracle Street's number two. Well, I guess with Dennis and Menace be considered a remake.
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Katie: Yep. Dennis Ryan Rebalkin: and then I'm gonna, I'm just Katie: one more. Ryan Rebalkin: Boy, can I just say how much I love Savage Islands?
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Can we talk about Savage Katie: we will in just a minute. We need to, yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: right. I what's the fourth one?
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Katie: Flubber recently covered. Ryan Rebalkin: Okay. Katie: Did you not listen to the episode, Ryan?
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Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah. Well, I don't, yes, like me though. You listen when you're Katie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Ryan Rebalkin: you don't catch Katie: yeah, for sure.
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Ryan Rebalkin: Flubber. That's right. That's right. Rest in peace is a great Robin. Yeah, but those are remakes, I guess.
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So this is what I mean. I I like, I think Miracle on 34th Street is a true remake 'cause because Dennis and Menace and stuff, it's kind of like based on a comic.
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And I, I get, I know what you're saying, but I would consider Miracle on 34th Street a true, this was a live action film that came out, you know,
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a few decades before Black and white. I believe so. And I, which I did. I have seen that version. Have you seen the 1947
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Katie: I'm glad to hear that. 'cause I was gonna ask you because I actually, Ryan Rebalkin: but I've seen it. Katie: okay. I I actually rewatched it yesterday because, so you
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guys miracle on 34th Street? I'm pretty sure I watched it on Hulu and then the recommended title
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for me that was just queued up, you know, was the, was the original. And so I was like, I honestly don't think I had watched it all the way through, like
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in one sitting, I, I know I'd seen pieces of it, so I watched them back to back. So a lot of my thoughts are comparisons or contrasting the two.
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But you guys, this did come out November 18th, 1994. And Ryan, to your point, what else came out November 18th that
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you and I covered, but in 1983, you just mentioned it.
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Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, sorry. Savage Islands also known as, what was Nate or something? Nate and.
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Katie: Naden Hayes is what it was released in the US under AKA Savage Islands in
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Ryan Rebalkin: love that Katie: Yeah, Ryan Rebalkin: Guys, if you haven't seen Savage Island slash Nate Hayes or listen
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to our episode, go check out that movie. You might have to, I don't know, to some ping site.
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The, I don't know where you, I think that's where I watched It was a ping site. I don't think it's a, I don't know, where did you, how did you watch it Katie: I know. I was just thinking, I can't recall.
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A lot of times if I can't find them, I, and I have enough time, I'll request it from my library, so it's possible.
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That's what I did. Ryan Rebalkin: great library option. I don't really have that where I am, but that's cool that you can do Katie: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan Rebalkin: Sabotage Katie: Yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: Hughes. Katie: Yeah. So these are vastly different movies, you guys.
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Ryan Rebalkin: yes. Katie: but, but also pg I think we were surprised that Savage Island's, AK and Nate and Hayes was rated pg, but both, both pg.
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Yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: 83. The 83 PG is like, yeah. Yeah. Katie: Now regarding its release date, November 18th was its wide release.
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I do wanna note that it had a premiere on the 15th in 94 at Radio City
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Music Hall in New York with a 30 minute stage show with the Rockettes
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and a performance by Kenny G. Mm-hmm. Yes. It was like a really big deal.
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Uh, Ryan Rebalkin: Saxophone player in the world. Katie: is he, Ryan Rebalkin: Well, you know what his net worth is I'll quickly look it.
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It's insane. Katie: it's wild. Ryan Rebalkin: it, it is insane. It'll be, maybe you won't be surprised because I've oversold a little bit, but
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yeah, he is worth a hundred million. I mean, that's not bad for playing the saxophone. Katie: I mean, there's not that many famous sax players.
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But yeah. You know, that jazz, that typical, you know, Kenny G's, Ryan Rebalkin: 69 now. Katie: everybody's old.
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I'm telling you, Ryan. Ryan Rebalkin: I know. So what his last name is, I didn't know this till now.
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Katie: No. Ryan Rebalkin: so I can see why they might have just called him Kenny G. Katie: And that's why someone, if I got famous, I would go as Katie G.
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No, I'm just kidding. Ryan Rebalkin: Kenny G. All Katie: I'm just kidding. The director here, I don't know if you're familiar with Les Mayfield.
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Ryan Rebalkin: I looked him up just to, I think it's a him because I, Les could be a female name, to be honest with you, Katie: It's, a man, and we've covered him already on the show.
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Ryan Rebalkin: That's what I was like. funny how these directors will, Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: movie or whatever it is.
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You're like, what? Like they're, I hate to say they're nobody directors, I don't mean in that, in a, in a disparaging way, but, but he's like, well, what
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else have they done in Hollywood? Like, how did they get this gig? So, yeah, they, he directed flubber.
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Katie: Yeah. That's why, that's how we, so you guys, again, he directed Flubber also, John Hughes written or co-written.
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He got his debut though with Encino Man in 92. Ryan Rebalkin: which is again, Katie: I love that movie.
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Ryan Rebalkin: that wasn't like a small movie. back in the nineties. Like it, I think it did fairly well. Like it was made, I was looking, now it's made for 7 million, made 41 million.
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So it did well for the, the studio, it had Sean, Brenda Frazier, Paul Shore, kind of a, you know, the silly comedy of the nineties.
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So how did he get the gig? That's what I always wonder, you know what I mean? Hey, we're directing this movie with a, with some fun actors
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and , okay Les, you got the job, Katie: This, they know somebody who knows somebody or, you know, they've come across, they've worked with so and so in the past.
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You know, you, you work with people that you like and would like to work again with in the future. And, and, you know.
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Ryan Rebalkin: then it's like, then this next film, two years later of Release is Miracle on 34th Street, which looks and acts, it is a proper film.
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Katie: Are you saying Encino man is not a proper film? Ryan Rebalkin: by that? It's like, it's like it's a nineties comedy
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Katie: Yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: It's a silly film. Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: you don't, you don't have to really put who cares about whatever.
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It's just weird to me. And then he, then he did blue Streak with Martin Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: I didn't see. Then American Outlaws, which is kind of a fun, I love Western.
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So he did that one. the man was Samuel Jackson, Eugene Levy, which is kind of whatever.
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And then another one with Cedric the entertainer called The Cleaner. And that's it. What, but what a weird seven film streak.
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It's like, yeah, I'm done. Katie: Sometimes those people, maybe he went on to, I didn't look up, but maybe he's more of a producer and he didn't, you know what I mean?
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Things like that. Ryan Rebalkin: Wikipedia sparse. It just, that's his last film. But doesn't say why he stopped directing. Doesn't say how he started directing.
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Yeah, it's weird. Katie: Well, there is a through line. All his movies are comedies,
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you know. Ryan Rebalkin: for American Outlaws is sort of, Katie: Oh, okay, Ryan Rebalkin: light, Katie: okay, Ryan Rebalkin: fair Western, per se, but it is a, it's just a,
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it's a western action film, so Katie: okay. Ryan Rebalkin: comedy beats. That's Colin Faroh and it, I, love Colin
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Katie: I don't think I've seen that. But yeah, Ryan Rebalkin: while. 24 years already. 24 years ago. What is going on with time
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Katie: I don't know. I, I don't know. It's a, it's one and the same. It's both. It goes by so fast, but then like at work, the days don't go by slow at work.
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It's just like the weeks due. I like, I live for the weekend and there's not enough weekend, you know?
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Ryan Rebalkin: It's terrible. We, we literally, as the song says, we're everybody's working for the weekend, Katie. Katie: It's true.
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It is. I don't know if you guys knew, I don't think I did until I started the season.
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A lot of movies that John Hughes wrote or co-wrote, and this is one of them, I had no idea.
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Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah. Katie: So he is credited with the screenplay? Yes. Yeah. And a lot, a lot of times when he writes, he also produces yeah.
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That and directs. But yes, this is a huge film. Ryan Rebalkin: When he's the producer, I know he is not directing, I would assume with a guy like Les, it's like, it's almost
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like the producer, as you know, has the ability to fire the director. The director can't fire the Katie: mm. Ryan Rebalkin: the power, that's the power of the
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producer. director can't fire the producer. The producer is the money is the boss.
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It can I always suspect that John Hughes, though he wasn't behind the camera, I, I felt like he could have been a ghost director in this film,
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Katie: It's possible. That maybe Hughes. Ryan Rebalkin: work very well enough to say Katie: Yeah.
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Ryan Rebalkin: lens. This was his, Katie: and it sometimes it's really hard to tell, like we, I talked about in the Flubber episode two, spoiler, I hated that movie.
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And I was like, what is happening here? And, Ryan Rebalkin: you hate Flopper? Come on. It's the Katie: I, I think some of it is hard to tell, like you don't really see.
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The usual, fingerprints of either director or writer because it's a remake, you know?
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'cause there's, you have to kind of stick loosely, at least to the original. But, so, Hughes is credited, co co-writing this the story credit
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reflecting the original concept for the 19 47, , film is Valentin Davies
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and George Seton received a shared screenplay credit, recognized that the 94 script was based on the story and original screenplay by Davies and Seton.
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So we have three players here writing, and just as a quick recap, this is
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a 6-year-old Susan Walker discovers that dreams do come true if you really believe she has doubts about childhood's.
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Most enduring Miracle Santa Claus, her mother Dory, in the original, her name is Doris.
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But in this movie, her name is modernized somehow to Dory. She told her the secret about him a long time ago, so she doesn't
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expect to receive the most important gifts on her Christmas list. But after meeting a special department store, Santa who's convinced that he's the
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real thing, she's given the most precious gift of all something to believe in.
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Ah. Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, Katie: All right. Ryan, are you familiar with Richard Attenborough?
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He plays our Chris Cringle. Ryan Rebalkin: well, yeah, I mean, of course he was, like I said, he was John Hammond Insa Park, which was for Teenage Ryan.
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I was 18 at that time. That was probably my first real to him as a actor or whatever,
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Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: one of the biggest movies of Hollywood at the time. Don't really know him as an actress since or before, don't know his career.
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So when he was in this film, I had to Google him again. I was like, oh, that's him. I didn't even recognize him as the dinosaur zoo guy walking with a cane.
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so, and I had, if I'd, I knew the name, like it's one of those names.
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watched movies a long time, and so you just see and hear names, especially with directors I had forgotten he was a director and he's directed some really
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big films and films that I enjoy. Like IE one of my favorite films is Chaplain with Robert John Jr. I saw that film in the theaters when,
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when I was 17, actually watched Chaplin, the biopic on Charlie Chaplin, played by Robert Donald Jr. In the theaters.
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Katie: Oh, okay. Yeah, he is a, he maybe, but nothing is ringing a bell.
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But he's, he won an Oscar for a directing role, a very famous movie, Gandhi, from 82.
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Ryan Rebalkin: Cry, freedom Bridge too far. These are big, so I don't really know his story.
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This is weird that he's in movies and he's directed again. How did he get these big films? Like how did he get the
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Katie: Well, he is also known for, you know, when he was a younger man in the 1963 movie, the Great Escape and he mm-hmm.
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Ryan Rebalkin: that Katie: He does a lot of directing. I mean, he won an Oscar for GI mean, Gandhi was a huge movie. I will say, if the name Attenborough sounds familiar, and some of you might
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be wondering, is he related to David? Ryan Rebalkin: Mm-hmm. Katie: He is. Ryan Rebalkin: the confusion. That's what I think my brain went to is
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Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, the last name? Yeah. Katie: And so he is the older brother of David Attenborough, who is the only person
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did you know, who has been knighted twice, Ryan Rebalkin: I did twice.
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Katie: twice for his work in conservation. David Attenborough. Yeah. Everyone loves him.
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Ryan Rebalkin: talented family, eh? Katie: Yeah. Yeah. I think they both went to what's like the famous like Ivy League.
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English College Cambridge. Is that the one I'm thinking of? Yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: Sounds right.
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Katie: Now the original Chris k Cringle, the one in 1947,
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Ryan Rebalkin: Mm-hmm. Katie: by Edmund Gwen who received an Oscar for his role in that,
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which I didn't know. Yeah. So the original guy now there's a famous person that I think you like that was considered for this role and it would've been very different.
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I don't know if you're gonna get any guesses. An old, older man, how did you know?
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Did you see Ryan Rebalkin: reading that. I did Katie: Okay. Ryan Rebalkin: that, and I, you know, it's funny. Okay. so let me talk about that.
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So, yes, I, I love Sean Connery. I grew up with him as well. James Bond, of course, other great films that he is been in.
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Great actor. I'm kind of glad they didn't. I, I will say that as much as I love Sean Connery, I would've
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just been watching Sean Connery. I think Richard has the ability to just, like I said, I'm like, who's this guy?
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I think I know who he is. So he was able to embrace and or get into the Santa role me being distracted by him.
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I would've been watching Sean Katie: Sean Connery. Yeah, you're right. I, I fully agree, Ryan Rebalkin: job as an actor.
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He, he can act very well, but dot, dot dot, Sean Connery played that's the Katie: right? Ryan Rebalkin: Is Sean Katie: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
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Ryan Rebalkin: So I thought Richard. Oh, well, I don't want to talk too much about it right now if you're not there yet, but yeah, I, I'm glad it wasn't Sean, just because it might've distracted
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from the movie, but it would've added more to the box office, I'm sure. But yeah. Katie: well, yeah, so speaking of that, so the budget here was 28 million and
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the worldwide gross was 46.3 million. It made money just not a big booming success.
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There was a really crowded 94 Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah. Katie: movie slate. Ryan Rebalkin: movie that with this?
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That might have been a Christmas Katie: The Santa Claus. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: That movie was huge.
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Katie: So they came out at the same time. Ryan Rebalkin: And families, you know, budget, Christmas time, it's kind of like, Hey, we're gonna take the kids to a Christmas film.
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I would've had, I had a young family at that time. I was 19, so I, I didn't have a, I was actually a few years
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away from him, my first kid. Mind you. But the point is yeah, if I was on a budget, I'd be like, well, we can take the kids to one Christmas film.
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You're gonna pick the Santa Claus. It's just, you just kind of know it's gonna be a more fun film for the kids. Maybe Katie: Yeah. Which kind of bums me out because I would argue this is a much better movie
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it's really Christmasy, like old time. I kind of like that stuff. Whereas the Santa Claus is just like goofier, like kids have a small
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attention span, which kind of bums me out be that they can't appreciate. Ryan Rebalkin: I got a good you are right.
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Don't get me wrong. You're right. Every kid's different. Every, everyone's different now. I have 11-year-old twins, as you know.
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And so I'm, I watched this movie last night. I said, Hey, kids, we're gonna watch a Christmas movie. I've gotta do this for the podcast.
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But let's just watch it together anyways, it's Christmas time, let's watch this together. And my 11-year-old daughter was out with my wife shopping,
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so they weren't there for her. So my two other sons were there. My 13-year-old, soon to be 14, and then my 11-year-old.
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And the 11-year-old is an avid movie watcher. Like he's a smart
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Katie: I love that. I love that. Ryan Rebalkin: The Mission Impossibles. We're watching The Thin Red Line right now we're watching that in piecemeal mind you.
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'cause it is a lot. But they're watching the Thin Red Line. So they, they love like deep heavy dramas.
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Like they've watched like The Green Mile, they love dramas and.
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That kind of stuff. So I just wanna make that clear that they're not just Marvel kids. They actually like Katie: Which sets your kids apart.
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I think you, your kids are probably the anomaly. Ryan Rebalkin: They might be, but I'm getting somewhere with this. Katie: Okay.
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Ryan Rebalkin: same kid who loves these types of films that are dialogue, heavy story-driven films, right?
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Half hour into this film, my 11-year-old goes, I dad, I can't, done, I'm tapping out.
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He was bored. So he tapped out. Now my 14-year-old around.
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I think he stuck around, I don't know, just to hang out with dad, I'm not sure. But he watched the whole thing and objectively I could see why my 11-year-old
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tapped out and I could see why the same 11-year-old as much as he likes these very intelligent films, would not have done that for the Santa Claus.
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So that's, that's my long way of saying I get why the Santa Claus was a box off of success with families, but as an A This is, this
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is that's what I'm trying to get at. I don't know if this is a kid's movie. This is an adult Christmas film.
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What are your thoughts on that take? Katie: It's interesting what constitutes. Christmas movie versus Kids' Christmas movie.
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I think back in the day, there wasn't distinction like the 1947 version. I'm very curious, I don't wanna give too much away, but I'm curious what your kids
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would've thought of the original even. Ryan Rebalkin: liked it even maybe more. 'cause I, I think anything to do with Santa, I think the Santa roll parts were
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Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: I think he enjoyed seeing Santa. And, but I think when it get got to the because he never saw the court scene, so he never made it to the end,
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Katie: Mm, Ryan Rebalkin: is kind of fun and engaging. But the idea that there were some parts I will admit where I'm like, I'm watching this
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through my kids' eyes thinking, oh, I get why he tapped out. I'm fine watching this story, but I can kind of see like he gets lost
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what the business side of things. Katie: Sure. Ryan Rebalkin: like why are we worried about one store getting more than another store?
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But I haven't seen the original in such a long time, but I suspect. The original one that I think it's a half hour shorter.
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The first movie is Katie: Let's see. This was. Ryan Rebalkin: was just shy of two Katie: Just shy of two hours.
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I have it up actually, the original was 20 minutes shorter. Ryan Rebalkin: which can be a long time.
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That's a lot of like subplot and who Katie: Well, there, we'll get into some of the differences too. There was much more, they leaned a lot more into the romantic comedy part in
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this remake, the 94, romance or just like the, I mean, yeah, it's a comedy.
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Ryan Rebalkin: This is weird, Kate. Do we see Katie: okay. It is a drama, I guess. Ryan Rebalkin: It's not funny
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Katie: Well, it's just, not heavy. I, I take it back. It's not necessarily a comedy, so the romance, not the romantic
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comedy piece, but the romance part of it, I guess. Ryan Rebalkin: the romance is in heaven. It's okay.
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This is where it's, Hmm. This is my, maybe my criticism is, I don't know what lane it's really in.
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And it's not bad or good. It's, for example Elizabeth Perkins great, by the way, she's 34 in this film.
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I always look up the Actress's age 'cause I feel like she's been in films Katie: You do. Ryan Rebalkin: 34 in this film.
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And Dylan McDermott great actor. And side note, he plays a lawyer in this film, which he ends up playing
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on the practice a couple years later. So when I'm watching him play the court scene in this holy smokes, this guy was born to be a lawyer.
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Katie: He really, he has that look too. So yes. Ryan Rebalkin: How handsome is Katie: Well, you know, Ryan Rebalkin: was he Katie: I,
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Ryan Rebalkin: you? Katie: no, but it's weird 'cause I like dark hair with colored eyes. He is, most people, I mean, he is handsome.
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He's uh, Ryan Rebalkin: speaking, yes. Katie: objectively. I, I just don't really,
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it's, he's not for me. Even though I recognize that he is a handsome man. He is supposed to be, and he's real young in this.
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He and Elizabeth. So, so they're, Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah. they're, actually both age appropriate. They're, in
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Katie: mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: a year younger than her, by the way, Katie: Okay. Ryan Rebalkin: and, Katie: Elizabeth plays Dory and she is Doris, Maureen O'Hara's character
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in the original this high powered executive at the department store. She's
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in charge of the parade. Ryan Rebalkin: Okay. What Katie: mm-hmm.
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Ryan Rebalkin: I was almost like, are they divorced with stranded, his custody of a kid? I thought that was what, what it was at first no,
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Katie: Oh Ryan Rebalkin: she, Katie: no. They've just been dating. Ryan Rebalkin: Have they been dating? I'm so Katie: So
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Ryan Rebalkin: It was such a weird, Katie: in, Ryan Rebalkin: like it didn't seem like they were like even, 'cause he was like, I, I was confused about their relationship.
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'cause Katie: so. Ryan Rebalkin: there and she trusts him completely with the girl and they have a great relationship. They're doing like video messages to them and they're being silly.
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He loves her like his own daughter, but when he asks her to marry her, it almost seemed like this.
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They hadn't had been on a date yet. It was really confusing to me about the relationship. Katie: That was a bit, and she even speaks to it.
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So I can see why you say that. So Dylan McDermott plays Brian Bedford and he is the neighbor.
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He, he's the neighbor. They live in the same apartment. Ryan Rebalkin: each other. Katie: They're in the same apartment building. That's why he was in her apartment.
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Ryan Rebalkin: Do I Katie: the, Ryan Rebalkin: by this stuff? I Katie: the girl, the daughter went to watch the parade 'cause he was like on the other side of the building.
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They live on the same floor, in the same building and it is clear a little bit later. You don't immediately know . But in a, in a little bit, you, you
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realize that there is a, there's an existing relationship there. Ryan Rebalkin: okay. So obviously, but I just felt, I felt it odd that, and it's weird because
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it was one of these films where there wasn't, which is fine, I guess it's still kind of kid friendly.
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They didn't wanna get too like, you know, there's been some kid films where there's drama and the relationships with the adults, but good and bad.
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What I liked is that Dylan McDermott's character, Bobby is his name Bobby, Katie: No his name's Brian.
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Brian Bedford. Ryan Rebalkin: his Katie: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. His name is Bobby in the practice.
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Ryan Rebalkin: Is that what I actually, what I liked? 'cause I hadn't seen this, I've seen this film once before, probably a long time
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ago, but I hadn't seen it in 20 odd years. But I liked about his character was.
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He wasn't a dick. And I was a little bit afraid of that, that the smarmy, that he was gonna be the nonbeliever.
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I like that the guy, I know it sounds cliche, but the guy was the believer, he was the sweetheart of the film.
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That it was the mother who was kind of the nonbeliever. 'cause he usually just the feminine side, a little bit more soft, a little bit more believing.
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And the men are a little bit more maybe not negative, but not as believing. And of course the lawyer, the prosecutor lawyer was that played by JT Walsh
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represented that side of the coin. But the point is, I like that his character was just a good guy. I like that through the whole film.
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character happened to be a good guy. But the same token, because of that, he was such a great guy.
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He's sweet, he's good looking, great to the daughter. I'm like, woman, what is your deal?
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What, what are you, this is where as a Katie: No. 'cause she agreed. I mean, and that's, that's where I think I get
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Ryan Rebalkin: and I was gonna ask you about that here. Let's say you're a single woman. You've got a guy who's intelligent,
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Katie: a catch. He's, he's a, he's a catch. Ryan Rebalkin: and loves your daughter, which is the number one thing in your life, and they, they have a great relationship.
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You're like, oh, but marriage, don't be selling. What are you doing? I go, what are we talk what is she looking for?
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Katie: Well, this is where I think this is why romantic comedy came into my brain because it's a trope in romantic comedies
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Ryan Rebalkin: so. Katie: for no reason whatsoever, the woman is so hurt by her previous experiences
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that she pushes the guy this perfect man away and, and then the guy just keeps
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coming and keeps coming and keeps coming. And that would never happen in real life. He'd be like, okay, fine. I've got a lot of other options here.
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But in these romantic comedies, that's a trope. So she says, it's not as serious.
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And so it was Ryan Rebalkin: That's Katie: he proposes, it's a bit much.
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And then for her to say, she went as far as to say.
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You're, if you put your faith in me, you're a fool. Ryan Rebalkin: Yes. Katie: Yeah.
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Yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: what I mean. It's like, oh, it seemed like they hadn't been dating yet. If I was watching that scene and you say to the viewer, how
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long have they been dating? My answer would've been, they? Katie: There's a few indications that they're not strangers,
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you know, like they've Ryan Rebalkin: She, he, she trust. Katie: mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: And I know people are like, guys, this is a Christmas movie.
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I'm sorry. This is, Katie: Well, in. Ryan Rebalkin: this is the weakest part of the film, is their relationship status is actually confusing to me.
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And then I had a hard time liking her character and I didn't like that. 'cause I felt frustrated by the fact that she was such a,
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I know she loved her daughter. I wanna protect her daughter. 'cause you know, she didn't want her daughter hurt by life the way she's been hurt by life. I get it.
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I get. That's great. But then I just, I guess I'm such a pragmatic person, so I'm like, lady, you got a great guy here.
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Your life could be good. Now, of course, spoil alert, it ends up together. I know. Katie: Again, this is the romantic comedy tropes.
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That's why I keep thinking about that, even though this is technically, but now I will say, Ryan, because you haven't had the the extra help of
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recently rewatching the original. Ryan Rebalkin: No, Katie: this is so the original. It's clear that they are neighbors, but they are not
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dating and he wants to date her. Ryan Rebalkin: see that? feel like they took that and they just made it a little bit more confusing.
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Katie: they, they well, it, Ryan Rebalkin: there, that makes sense. Okay. That's what I felt That's what it, that's what it seemed like, but then
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it's like, oh, there's more there you go. Katie: it's because in this one, they had to set that up, they had to have at
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least been dating a little bit so that a proposal wasn't completely asinine.
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And then. Ryan Rebalkin: in the first one? Katie: No, Ryan Rebalkin: Okay. Katie: they do end up together in the original.
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But so in this one, there's the whole Chris Kringle spoiler alert sends each of them a card on Christmas Eve saying, meet us, you know, meet me at the church.
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Ryan Rebalkin: That happens to both films. Katie: So I'm saying it doesn't, what I'm saying is I think that in this one it was a little bit longer.
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They had to kind of set up and make it realistic that they got married so quick.
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You know what I mean? So she quickly does realize that, you know. Okay, I bet he has a good catch.
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I hear you though. But the original is also the woman is the one, she's the high powered career woman,
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which was extremely progressive in 47. Ryan Rebalkin: that's crazy. That's great. Katie: Maureen O'Hara, who I, I like her a lot.
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She's, yeah, so she plays Doris. And so in the original, again, it's still the neighbor situation.
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It's a different name. It's not the same. Like they play different characters. Let's see, John Payne plays Fred Galey.
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It's, you know, kind of the standin character. Ryan Rebalkin: Right? Katie: So yeah, and it is one thing in the nineties versions I have noticed,
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and I've brought up a few times, John Hughes portrays women that aren't
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married as like really heartless. And there's like, if, if you have a career, you could never they're
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just like heartless bees who, Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah. Katie: you know, he like, it's a thing with John Hughes.
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I don't know if he's got like mommy issues or something, I'm not entirely sure. But Elizabeth Perkins plays that type very well.
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I think she was really good at this. Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, Susan Walker, the character in the original was played
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by the young actress, Natalie Wood. Katie: Yes, the original Natalie Wood plays the plays Susan in
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this one, Mara Wilson plays her Ryan Rebalkin: Right. Katie: and, or maybe it's Mara Maira Mara, whatever.
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But she's also in Mrs. Doubtfire and Matilda. Ryan Rebalkin: right. Katie: she would've just recently rewatched so we could compare.
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Ryan Rebalkin: oh, Katie: guys all know my thoughts about kids in movies. Now this little girl grew on me.
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At first I was like, uhoh, I am not gonna like her. She grew on me throughout the movie, but I will say Natalie Wood as
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Susan in the original is so good. It's like a bazillion times better in my, in my
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Ryan Rebalkin: I'll say she was fine. I don't mean that like Katie: mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: Wilson's young guy young character here.
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I was actually, dialogue was pretty strong, which helps. I actually, I'm not, because,
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you know, I don't hate kids the way you do. So, Katie: You're not, I mean, you're, you know, Ryan Rebalkin: I'm sorry, I like to poke funny a little bit,
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Katie: especially in movies, I'm like, oh God, Ryan Rebalkin: no, I'm the Katie: yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: way. it it is tough. It is tough being a child actor in general.
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So will say she did pretty good. It actually was, she was actually, it Katie: Yeah.
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Ryan Rebalkin: bother me at all. And, and it wasn't overdone and she had the perfect amount of cuteness, the talk.
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And the Santa, I will say it is probably one of the stronger. So the fact that you see Natalie Wood was so good in the original, I'm, might have to
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Katie: Mm-hmm. You will, Ryan Rebalkin: now. Katie: it, it's a better movie. Ryan Rebalkin: But yeah, I thought she was just fine. I thought she was
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Katie: Agreed. Ryan Rebalkin: written well, directed well, and they didn't overdo these, the sappiness of silly, I mean, this
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is a certain degree, but I, this is the thing, I think this is an adult film, but they have the child, the child voice of when you're a kid, you're gonna
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watch that character a little bit more. But I, I felt like a lot of this was a message to adults, not to kids.
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Katie: Okay. Ryan Rebalkin: Why? I think it's, that's why I think it's, it's when we as adults lose the magic of Christmas, when we stop believing
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and when we stop believing in the magic of Christmas, when, and not to take that away from children, let them, there's a part in the movie, I can't remember
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the exact quote or part, but the idea of let her, she says, can I actually, can I just hold onto this a little bit longer?
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Can I just be a kid? Sometimes parents, and I've known some, I won't name anybody. I've known people in my family who will kind of pop the Christmas bubble
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as a way of I dunno, I'm not gonna tell you how to parent your kids. What I'm getting at is let them believe in the magic. 'cause we're all gonna be grumpy adults soon enough.
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We're all gonna be cynical and Christmas. And what I did with my kids was, is that told them that Santa's a character
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the same way Mickey Mouse is a character, or SpongeBob is a character. So it's not real in the sense of like.
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there's a guy in the North Pole, but I said, but isn't it fun to believe in a character that does these? So we always not train, but we raise our kids to understand that Santa
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was a real character the same way Mickey Mouse is a real, like when you
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go to Disney, like what do you see? You give Mickey Mouse a hug and Donald Duck a hug. the whole point. These are characters and let kids, and even when kids go to Disney Land,
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they know it's not really a mouse. It's a costume that nobody's talking, but they, and even the
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adults, it's fun to believe. And I think we Katie: Yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: up in, Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: oh, it's not real.
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Okay, heaven forbid have Katie: Well, I will say I think this is just, I can't prove this, but I think most kids are
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taught and grow up thinking for some period of time that Santa Claus is real. Not the character, but he's a real person.
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That some, Ryan Rebalkin: was the same Katie: yeah, that, so I'm saying most kids do. Ryan Rebalkin: ness Katie: Yeah.
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Ryan Rebalkin: where oh Katie: And even in the court case it's brought up. Oh, so you told your kids this, you, you, you taught your kids that Santa
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was, so it comes up in the court case you know, and, but Dory says she believed when she was a kid, and then it's not really investigated, but clear.
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Like we get hints that. Ryan Rebalkin: heart, whatever it was. And I actually took that as funny enough just as somebody
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who was raised religious very Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: that she talked about when she found out it wasn't true, it shattered her worldview.
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And I guess that, I guess every kid is different. Everyone's experience is different. Same with my very quickly my religious upbringing.
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When I found out it kind of wasn't. Empirically true. Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: taught, it did shatter my
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worldview. So I understand that part of it for sure. So I think there is a little bit of allegory there between, I guess you could
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say, well, they talk about God and God, we Katie: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: God. I, what I liked when they did that at the end of the court case there
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was that even though they brought up God, they like, they said God might not be something we can Katie: You can't prove God either yet.
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It's the government believes in it so much. It's on our dollar. Therefore, Santa is real too.
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Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah. It's an interesting philosophical dis I, I actually found the court scene and the philosophical discussions fascinating.
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I admit, and I don't know if kids would get that. This is what I mean. I don't think this is a movie for kids. I think this philosophical discussions that the adults are having, I don't
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know how much kids are catching. What are your Katie: That's, yeah, I mean, that's a fair point. I think a lot of movies, just like some kids' movies have adult
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things in it because they know that parents are watching it too, and it needs to be you at least need to digest it in some way or, have fun.
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So I think in the same way you're probably right the themes of it. A lot of the dialogue that really pose questions, there's very religious
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overtones too, like comparisons. And when Dylan McDermott's character's like, I am going to prove that there
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is a Santa Claus and that he's you, and he says it in such a way and then you see what he does and you're like, oh, I see what he's doing.
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Yeah. So kids wouldn't get that. But there's also fun elements for the kids too. Ryan Rebalkin: It's the
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Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: that's, if you wanna look at it, if there's Christians out there who enjoy Christmas because of Christ, great believe, enjoy it.
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If you're believing that there's a Santa that makes your family happy, and you talk about Santa bringing stuff, great, enjoy it.
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But just be wary that you don't allow. Maybe that's my soapbox. It's like, just be careful that your worldview isn't shaped around fallacies,
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because when quote unquote hard proof comes out that these are just characters.
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But I could argue that yes, the God, God of Santa or Jesus and Santas, the reason why they're very similar is 'cause if you're good, you're blessed.
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Right? That's the idea. If you're good, you Katie: Well, yeah, there's a naughty nice list. You go to heaven or hell, you know. It's the, it's
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Ryan Rebalkin: I it's the Katie: is Santa Claus. Ryan Rebalkin: Santa sees you when you're Katie: Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: when Katie: It's the same. Ryan Rebalkin: at, knows, when you're looking at Playboys, all that Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: that's the whole idea is like Santa knows, God
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Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: So it's very obvious similarities, but that's what I'm trying to get is let your kids know.
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Well, no, and I tell my kids I buy all the gifts, however, every Christmas, even now, they get a gift under the tree that's from Santa.
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But I'll tell you this much, Santa's gifts are always that cost a lot of money. It says mom and dad, but I admit, but yeah, but they get, the stockings are
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from Santa and they know, but they, it says from Santa, you know, and Katie: Yeah. And mo a lot of families.
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It's funny that you say that. I, I, Somebody that I work with says too, she's like, I don't even know if she puts gifts for Santa under the tree.
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'cause she's like, oh, my kids to know that's from me. It's funny how parents have grown to want more credit.
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Whereas also, I don't think back in the day, kids got, Ryan Rebalkin: off. Katie: kids didn't get as many, you know, parents did too.
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So just times have changed. Ryan Rebalkin: I was, actually middle class back when middle class was was a thing. Katie: Yeah. It used to be a thing.
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Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: middle class. That's how I always call myself. We were never, the what's it, what's one under middle class now?
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I can't remember. Lower class. Is it just called lower class? Katie: Working, working class. Blue collar, I dunno.
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Ryan Rebalkin: no, but my, yeah, anyways, so yeah, so back in the eighties, I, that was back when you could under Reaganomics when two
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working parents you were doing okay. You're back Katie: No, that was before Reaganomics. Ryan Rebalkin: oh, Katie: But yeah, he, he,
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Ryan Rebalkin: were. Katie: started the steady decline . It just took, it took 40 years. Yeah. Yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: Ronald.
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Katie: Yep. Yeah. It started in the, yes. But to your point the thing about Santa and the believing and
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everything, but the, what Dorie says is kind of makes sense though. She's like, you know, I want my kid to know the truth.
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And she gives her kid a test. Now I'm curious what your thoughts are. Ryan Rebalkin: Sure. Katie: Ask Santa for something that you don't ask me for, for Christmas,
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and if it's there, Santa's real, and in this movie that happens.
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But if you. But if a kid watches this, you know, and they ask Santa something at the mall
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and the parents don't know. Ryan Rebalkin: with that parent. This is me. I'm being a parent. I disagree with the parenting. That's just when you say, look, okay, sweetheart.
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what, that's when you say She's a smart kid. That's exactly when I would've come and said, okay, good. You're at, basically, you're coming at me.
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I think that's what I did with the, I've had six kids, so I, I can't remember each journey, but the, the rule was always when the kid asks you to tell the truth.
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And so if they say, is Santa Real? I hear kids at school saying, Santa's not real. I say, yeah, you're right. He's not. And that's when you just say, he's not real.
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As in I'm real. Your father, he's a character that's fun to believe in. So your friends are right at school, but there's something to freak out about.
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and that's the same thing. She should have done that here. She said, okay, sweetheart, isn't it fun to believe? Isn't it fun?
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Isn't it good to be good for goodness sake? Those are good things. It's, but Santa's not real, but the principles of goodness and
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kindness, those are real things. Those are things that we should enjoy and embrace. And Santa represents goodness and charity and peace, or Christ or whoever.
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That's what you have to say. And I, I don't know. I know it's a movie and she's not thinking that way, but she Katie: And it's a remake.
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You have to, you know, they have to kind of stick with the content of the original a little bit and Ryan Rebalkin: of I'll show I'll show you.
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Santa's not real. You're gonna be disappointed when you ask for something you don't get like, geez, like Katie: well, I mean, that's, they needed that in the movie.
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So be because in the movie, Yeah. But that's the whole point of the movie, is that in this movie they're showing
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Santa is real, but my, what I was, Ryan Rebalkin: her wishlist? The what She got like this insane.
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Okay. You'll, you'll, you'll Katie: and he makes it, he makes it happen. Ryan Rebalkin: The rich get richer.
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Because So my wife came in at the end of the film when she came back from shopping and, and to get the wish, so to get the iMac concept, you know, they, they have
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a baby in their belly and she gets her brother in the end, you know, they had Katie: Well, it wasn't ama, it wasn't immaculate because they had gotten married.
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Ryan Rebalkin: It was Katie: They'd gotten married the night before us. Ryan Rebalkin: they got married and they had COAs for the first time. Sure,
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Katie: Yep. Ryan Rebalkin: yeah. Of course. They didn't wear protection, so she's pregnant. And then they, they got the house.
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They were both living in this upper New York City apartment, so who knows what those were worth. And they were nice places.
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And it's like the rich get richer. They get this beautiful big home. Like there's a part of me that's like, oh my gosh, how about
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an embarrassment of riches? I almost felt like that it was almost too much. I, it made, it made me miss it's a wonderful life. That ending.
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It's much more sweeter. Like every time that bell rings angel, that's a much sweeter, more humble ending. This one's like, holy smokes, a lottery winner's won another, the lottery.
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I Katie: Well, again in, in 47. So things didn't use to be as expensive.
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So, now they are well off both of them. He's a lawyer, she's, you know, Like an executive at Macy's or Kohl's in, in the remixing.
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Ryan Rebalkin: apartments in New York City looking over the city, like they're looking over the Macy Day parade. That's not a bad, that's probably a expensive apartment.
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Katie: a, it's outrageous, like the, the house in the country costs less, I would imagine, than Ryan Rebalkin: you're saying.
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Yeah. Katie: in, Ryan Rebalkin: a father, Katie: but in, the Ryan Rebalkin: space and the, home life and, Katie: but it, so it doesn't work in this, they can afford it because
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she got a bonus, but now they have two incomes, one house in the country versus separate incomes each with an apartment in New York.
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Ryan Rebalkin: richer. Katie: But where I'm in the nineties, ver nineties version, but what I'm saying is in the 47 version,
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Ryan Rebalkin: Okay. Katie: they, while they are well off those apartments, were not outrageously like
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a bazillion dollars like they are today. Like a somewhat normal person could still live in the city.
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You can't now, Ryan Rebalkin: No, Katie: you know what I, mean? Ryan Rebalkin: I just thought that was fine. I mean? I, I know it was 2025 goggles and finances, was happy for them, but I
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was more happy they were a family, but I felt like they were really selling the physical gifts too.
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Wow. The home, and it's fully furnished and it has all these who put the gifts under the tree?
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Who are they for? Katie: Well, Chris Cringle, the, the whole point was that Santa did it. Santa did it. Ryan Rebalkin: I'm an idiot.
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Katie: But Ryan Rebalkin: I forgot. He's real. Katie: Santa's real, and the ring we know that he's real
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because there's only one way. The priest, the surprise wedding at the church, the priest has the ring. So the movie, the purpose of this movie, it is a remake.
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So we have to kind of stick with, with some of those the original themes. Ryan Rebalkin: But Katie: didn't, Ryan Rebalkin: about it, that it was
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Katie: oh, go ahead. Ryan Rebalkin: also, there's nothing in the film that you saw that couldn't have been.
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Real life, meaning that's what I liked about it. Yes, he's talking to the deer, but you don't see the deer talk back.
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You see like everything on the surface is you never see him be Santa for real.
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There's like the Santa Claus. You see Tim Allen's character, you know, get fad and talking to elves.
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There's nowhere in this film where the objectively, he could have been a crazy man. I, that's what I loved about it, is that there's no proof that he did any of this.
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Katie: And he, I mean, there's, there's you know, they. Ryan Rebalkin: that? Katie: No, but the reason he can't make the reindeer fly is because
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they only fly on on Christmas Eve, or you know, on Christmas, or Ryan Rebalkin: but that's what I mean. That Katie: there's a reason
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Ryan Rebalkin: there's, it's, that's right. it's like um, Katie: a rationalization for it. Ryan Rebalkin: Street?
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Katie: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: Okay. Remember Staus? Katie: Yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: Nobody saw Snuffle Leus by big Katie: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan Rebalkin: So objectively everyone could just say, big bird. You're crazy. You keep talking about this big elephant creature that walks around and talks to you.
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Nobody saw Snuffle Leus, but big bird was, he was just here. You just missed him. Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: everyone just
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Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: creature. Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: what I mean, this Santa character, everything he's saying, everyone around
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him is like, he's not done. He could just be alerted, man. He could also just be a little bit crazy, but that's what I love about it
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is that the point, is it's the message of Christmas that's real, not the
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actual entity that all these things that happened, the film happened because people believed in the spirit of Christmas.
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Katie: Yes. Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah. Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: did I get, did I get the message? Did I The messages? Katie: done. We're done with the episode.
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No, I'm just kidding. No, that's, that's totally valid. I will say I wanna get to some more of the comparisons with the original.
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But I did think the cast in this, it really stood out to me like for a, because
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I don't really remember watching this. And so, you know, yeah. We talked about Richard, Richard Attenborough, Elizabeth Perkins, di Dylan McDermott,
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JT Walsh plays the prosecutor here. We, Ryan Rebalkin: before he died.
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Katie: he was, he was. And we talked about 'em last season because he was in four Kurt Russell movies.
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Ryan Rebalkin: That's what I, he was in a few good men. Like I, I just, he said actors, like he's everywhere and a poor guy.
1:00:03
Oh. I don't remember how he died, but at the age of 54. Just looking quickly
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Katie: Heart attack or cancer probably, I'm guessing. Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: sucks 'cause he was just one of those working actors and
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Katie: There's Ryan Rebalkin: the perfect where he doesn't have to carry the film, but he is in every film. Katie: he and he's good. He's, there are a lot of those.
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I will say this cast is full of those really solid working actors where you,, they're not the go-to like leading man or woman.
1:00:28
So there's also James Remar Ryan Rebalkin: Yes. Katie: as so, yeah.
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Yes. So he, plays Jack Duff, he's one of the guys. So there's a competing department store, shoppers Express, and we're introduced
1:00:42
to its founder Victor Landberg, I wanna say with like evil music, you
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know, like we, and he's, you know, he's trying to, that's a very nineties, nineties thing he's trying to take over.
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It's, it's Kohl's in this, not Macy's, and we'll get to that. Ryan Rebalkin: Right? Katie: was Macy's in the original, but they didn't get the rights, like
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they didn't bother to get copyright. Ryan Rebalkin: yeah. Apparently they did. The Macy's didn't believe they should do it on the remake.
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They were anti the remake, Katie: They were, Ryan Rebalkin: yeah. Katie: so, they just changed it to Kohl's. So, and that's, that is something that's different that bit.
1:01:15
The, the competing store is not at all part of the original. There's a completely different way that that they're trying to get Chris
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Kringle committed to the mental hospital. So that was really interesting.
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It was like a guy that worked at Macy's who somehow is in charge of, like evaluating people's mental acuity to work at Macy's.
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And, and he was convinced, you know, so he was kind of the evil guy instead. So that was the original.
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So James Remar plays Jack Duff, one of Berg's people. Also Jane Leaves plays the other one.
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So there's two kind of like quote unquote, you know, they're not like bad guys, but they play for the
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Ryan Rebalkin: right? Katie: antagonist, I guess. So Dexter's dad Ryan Rebalkin: Dexter's dad,
1:02:02
and Perry Gilpen, is that her name? No, that's the other actress. Frazier's, Katie: so Jane Leaves plays Daphne.
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She plays Daphne on Frazier. Ryan Rebalkin: And she had a very small role, this, which is weird 'cause I
1:02:14
believe Frazier was out of this time. So I'm 94. Frazier must have been started.
1:02:20
Katie: It might, it maybe didn't get big yet, or, you know, maybe, you know, this came out. She was probably doing both at the same time.
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Ryan Rebalkin: right. Fraser's premiered in 93, but so that year
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Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: the same time. But still she, that, I dunno, that show was always big, I
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think at the very beginning. I think it Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: all that being said, it was weird seeing her in this role playing day, playing a, not a very nice person.
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'cause she's such a sweetheart in Frazier, Katie: Well, I loved her. I don't love Frazier. Ryan Rebalkin: I'm a huge, I'm
1:02:48
Katie: I know you are, Ryan Rebalkin: Okay. Okay. Katie: Jane leaves plays joy in hot in Cleveland.
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Ryan Rebalkin: haven't seen Katie: It's, Ryan Rebalkin: mo Katie: it's very good. It's essentially Golden Girls.
1:03:02
Ryan Rebalkin: Okay. Katie: in, you know, with where Betty White actually plays like a gettis, like it's,
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but it's more modernized. The girls are from la they end up living in Cleveland and joy is sort of the Blanche character
1:03:13
Ryan Rebalkin: Okay. Katie: played by Jane leaves in this. So she's, she's in tons of things. These are, you know,
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Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah. Katie: Yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: I, just, I love seeing this the young the young, because I'm a big Dexter fan, so when I saw Dexter's dad, I was like, it was just weird seeing him like
1:03:27
Katie: Young, younger. Yeah. Well, and he's a, he's another one of those. He kind of did, but a younger version.
1:03:33
Yeah. Yeah, that's true. He has over 200 acting credits too. So he's kind of one of those.
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Ryan Rebalkin: I've said it a hundred times. I don't mind repeating it. That's the, you don't wanna be Tom Cruise, you don't wanna be Katie: agreed. Ryan Rebalkin: you kind of want to be
1:03:45
like, if you're going to like, because you get to be in films and TV and act and have a good time, but you can go shopping.
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Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah. Katie: Yeah. The only reason I'm bringing up Simon Jones, who plays Mr. Shell Hammer, and he
1:03:57
is he's like either the, the manager of the Macy's or the toy department manager. I don't, I'm not entirely certain, but he plays Shell Hammer very specific name.
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Ryan Rebalkin: bigger guy. Katie: No, he's the thin guy with the mustache, Ryan Rebalkin: okay. Yeah. Katie: that
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Ryan Rebalkin: he in? Katie: they, well, he was also credited as playing the same name. Shell Hammer in Matilda, same guy plays the same character,
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Ryan Rebalkin: So Katie: least. Ryan Rebalkin: both universes. Katie: I'm sure I've seen Matilda, but I don't recall anything from it.
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So I don't know if it was just coincidental or if that, you know, anyway. Yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: you recognize a one cameo there by Allison Jan?
1:04:33
Katie: Oh, I couldn't love Alice and Janni more. She plays the woman and and her accent she's just so good.
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She's credited as the woman, but she's the brazen woman shopper where she's Ryan Rebalkin: the Santa or whatever.
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Katie: he's telling us where to get, telling shell hammer. He's, you know, he's telling, and that, that character does
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exist in the original as well. So at first you're like, oh crap, they're gonna sack Chris Cringle because telling people where to get their kids shit that they want cheaper,
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Ryan Rebalkin: Right. Katie: then somehow in this magical universe that makes them
1:05:08
a more loyal shopper, which in real life wouldn't, wouldn't, Ryan Rebalkin: No, Katie: happen.
1:05:13
You'd be like, okay, so everything here is more expensive, but. In the movie world That works.
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What do you like her and what are you familiar with? Ryan Rebalkin: I, I've, it's funny, I never watched The West Wing, which I know I have to watch 'cause I love Martin Sheen.
1:05:24
I love politics. Katie: Same. Maybe we should cover it, Ryan. Ryan Rebalkin: That'd be fantastic. I, I, and I know it's already years
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Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: ended, but the point is, I love I love politics and I, and I love those type of dramas,
1:05:36
but I just never saw it. However, I loved her. I watched the, the Comedy show Mom Katie: Mm-hmm.
1:05:42
Ryan Rebalkin: I love her in that. I thought she was great in it Katie: She's great. Ryan Rebalkin: her, and she was fantastic in that. So I just fell in love with her because that's Chuck Roper, what's his name?
1:05:50
Chuck Katie: Chuck Lori? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: I know it's the Chuck Laurie made show, but it's great.
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She's great in it along with, yeah, her daughter played by Katie: Yeah. I don't love her as much. The blonde yeah.
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Ryan Rebalkin: But Katie: Anna Ferris is her name. Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: the, characters in in Mom, the, the, her, the Friends of Alice and Jan's character are, they're such a fun ca It's a fun
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It Katie: I agree. I like that aspect way more than Anna Ferris's part, so I think they've
1:06:15
really expanded Alice and Janney from the beginning to where it is. But Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Katie: speaking of Tanya Harding earlier in the trivia,
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Alice and Janney plays Margot Robbie's mom. Like she plays Tanya Harding's mom
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Ryan Rebalkin: Full Katie: in that. And she won an Oscar for that role. Ryan Rebalkin: That's Katie: Alice and Jenny.
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Ryan Rebalkin: I have to watch that now. Yeah. Katie: There's a few other like, oh, it's that person, working characters
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that are familiar from things that we, maybe they weren't then, but now rewatching it 30 years later.
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Catherine Arducci is in this just a little bit and she has a very thick, you know,
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like New York Italian accent and that's kind of who she plays in everything.
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Ryan Rebalkin: okay. I didn't recognize her from anything. Katie: She, Ryan Rebalkin: but. Katie: yes. So you'd know her because she played Charmaine Buco in Sopranos
1:07:11
Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, okay. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah. Katie: she's also in like a, Ryan Rebalkin: that Katie: a Bronx Tale, Jersey Boys Irishman.
1:07:17
Like she plays that, that kind of a character a lot. Ryan Rebalkin: And she was, she's a lovely woman, so I, she, it's where
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my brain, when I saw her goes, oh, she looks familiar, but I didn't know if it was just that classic Katie: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan Rebalkin: Bronx, Katie: it. Yep. Yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah. she nails that role very Katie: She does. Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah. Yeah.
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Katie: Then there's Peter Garrity who plays the cop. He's a super well-known character actor, sneaky Pete
1:07:40
The Wire, Charlie Wilson's War, Ryan Rebalkin: Yes, yes, Katie: and Jack McGee plays the drunk Santa.
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So he has a pretty, pretty big role in this I would say.
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And he's another one of those super familiar faces, right? Ryan Rebalkin: Oh yeah. Yeah. He recognized him for sure.
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I, what was he? He was in a TV show called Brooklyn South that I liked that was, Katie: Oh, I didn't see that.
1:08:01
Ryan Rebalkin: plays like a cops. A lot of that type of Katie: Mm-hmm. Yeah. It was the sheriff in basic instinct. Ryan Rebalkin: there you go.
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Yeah. Katie: he, Ryan Rebalkin: there's one scene where He, of course, where they faked the assault or he antagonizes Santa
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Katie: mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: to, assault him in the street. 'cause he, I I, was uncomfortable when he is saying you like kids.
1:08:20
Is that why you're a Santa? 'cause you like touching kids type thing. Holy crap. I don't think that was in the original, was it
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Katie: No, because like I said, the way that Santa is proved to be mentally ill
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and therefore needs to be committed, there is a guy like an antagonist, but he, it's a completely different storyline.
1:08:38
Ryan Rebalkin: Couldn't believe they went there. I know, but I was like, even 20, 25 wise, this is 1994 you're, you're a creep.
1:08:45
You know? That's why you like doing this 'cause you like the little ones or something like that. I can't, he didn't say kids like little ones or little. What did he say
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Katie: I mean, he was implying that, I mean, he, 'cause he, he was, he had to go there to get a rise out of this sweet old man that is
1:08:56
Santa Claus to, for him to be like, Ryan Rebalkin: this is the part where you could argue, if you wanna be, look at this objectively like a lawyer, you know, like reasonable doubt.
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The way Santa, the character Chris Kringle acted in that moment by striking him
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with a cane, even though he was being insinuated that he was a, a molester, a Katie: Mm.
1:09:17
Ryan Rebalkin: I almost believe the real Santa still wouldn't have done that. So that's a case in point where maybe he, I, if you want to be,
1:09:24
that might have been an Easter egg done by John Hugs saying, Hey. If you want to be on the side of the fence that this guy isn't Santa, I'd
1:09:32
think that action is a, you know, exhibit A, that behavior isn't very Santa like
1:09:37
even if he's been called to those things. The fact that, and the way he did act Doty and kind of like weirdly sure,
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whatever you say, a lawyer like say Santa should be smarter than that. He's been around forever.
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Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: fact, it was at that moment Katie, where I thought, maybe he isn't Santa. That's, 'cause that's also the point of this film is that again,
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there is no, Santa isn't real. The reality is Santa is Katie: spoiler. alert guys.
1:10:04
Ryan Rebalkin: Santa's not a real thing, but that's what makes this movie ironically kind of
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Katie: there's layers. Ryan Rebalkin: interesting. Katie: upon layers a little bit. Yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: layers. It's not, it's not as simple as you think.
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'cause you as the viewer like, am I, I just gonna buy that this guy is Santa. So that's, i, again, exhibit A, that this guy may, maybe isn't Santa.
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That's the biggest piece of evidence. The physical assault on your, because even he, he, he trapped me, antagonized me.
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Santa, come on man. You be like, you should be better than that. You should have ignored it. Walk away.
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Don't give into it. Katie: I thought so too. I was like, oh crap, they're gonna get him. Ryan Rebalkin: reaction. Katie: You see it coming like you're, because
1:10:42
Ryan Rebalkin: Sure. Katie: the drunk Santa, you know, James Remar character puts him up to this obviously pays him to do this and you're like, oh crap,
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he's gonna make him do something. And you could argue 'cause it's a little unclear. I do think he.
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Does actually kind of strike him, but you could also argue he just lifts his cane because it's very, in the original, it's less blatant that
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he hits the person with his cane. It's almost like kind of an accidental thing that the person then gets hurt.
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But then, so yes, yes. It's like Santa wouldn't do that, but then he fails the mental test on purpose
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because he's, he realized he did something that puts Santa in a bad light and he
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wants the kids to believe in Santa. Ryan Rebalkin: is such, where it's that when you're crazy sometimes
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you're crazy enough to understand like the character that you're crazy. Like it's not like it's weird, like he's a functioning person.
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It's all, like I said, objectively speaking, all the evidence points to the fact that this man just might be a very sweet, mentally ill person.
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You can be mentally ill and very sweet and functioning Katie: Well, that's Ryan Rebalkin: movie does. Katie: They point to that in the original.
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They're like, he, you know, he's, 'cause he lives at a home for the elderly and the doctor there is like, he's harmless.
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He's like, I don't think he's mentally ill, but even if he is, he's harmless. So he says in the original, but in both, he's charged with people wanting him
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to be committed, taken out of society. And what he does is he thinks he is Santa and the kind of the point
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of the movie that he is Santa, but then he's like, I love children.
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And the idea of Christmas so much that I'm willing for people to, to think that I'm
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not him, me, Chris Cringle, I'm not Santa. So that your view of Santa, the real Santa is is, is not dirtied.
1:12:40
Ryan Rebalkin: right. Yeah. it's, yeah. I mean, Ryan believes he Santa to the film, but
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Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: logical. Ryan could also argue the point that. They did the film well enough that you don't know, and that's what actually
1:12:57
makes the film so good, is you the viewer, get to decide what side of the fence you're on, and that could have changed your enjoyment of the
1:13:04
film or not if you actually believe he's just a mentally ill person. This film could have a different experience for you, but I, of course, I just bought in that yes, he's Santa and the journey wasn't for him.
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It was for the characters around him, for the world around him to believe, again, the spirit of Christmas, but yeah. Katie: So again, having watched both the, this movie hits you
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more over the head with it. At the end, the girl gets all the things she wants. She asks for three enormous things, a brother, a father, and a home, a house.
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And she ends up and we, they clearly show us that she gets all of those things.
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Well, I guess you could argue she's not asking for, for material things. So I think you're not meant to get rich, get richer.
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What you're supposed to get from this is the corporate greed aspect of it. And that she, the child wants innocent things like family, so anyway, but.
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They hit us over the head a little bit more with this. This is Santa, in this movie. Whereas the original, the ending is a lot quieter and more like
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elegantly ambiguous in the original. So it's less big emotional, made to prove Santa more definitively.
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The original didn't necessarily do that. Ryan Rebalkin: Right. Katie: which do you like, feel like it is more in the spirit
1:14:18
of the story or the holiday? Ryan Rebalkin: Well, I mean, I haven't seen the original in such a long time, the way you're saying.
1:14:23
Of course. I think the original probably has that feeling, but yeah, I'm, gee, I wish not, not that you, you ask me to.
1:14:29
It's just funny. I literally just saw, Katie: I just so happened to, I just, so I, I know Les, I was like, oh, I hope Brian's seen it 'cause I wanna, yeah.
1:14:35
Ryan Rebalkin: it's been, I have, but it's funny, I think I've seen the original first before I saw the remake, so Katie: Mm-hmm. Yeah, that makes sense.
1:14:41
Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah. But that being said, I think both just have a different message. I can't really answer that, I guess very well. But I will say that this movie a good Christmas movie.
1:14:50
I should maybe say that this is a good movie. I really did like this movie. My biggest criticism, like I said at the beginning, is just the, I get wrapped up.
1:14:58
I don't know what it is. I get hyperfocused sometimes on things of the, of characters. So I'm like, I'm confused about their relationship status.
1:15:05
And that bugs me. It's like I shouldn't be confused. 'cause I Katie: Yeah. It's like, just let it be, Ryan. Move on. Let's move on.
1:15:10
Ryan Rebalkin: well, I know, but then I think, am I an idiot? Am I just a dumb viewer? Like, why do I care? Like why is it, why is their relationship status so ambiguous?
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But then she trusts him with the daughter and she says, I love your daughter. And she sees him as a father figure, but then the woman's like, do I know you?
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I felt like, Katie: person has their own like little things , regarding that. Ryan Rebalkin: that.
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did an amazing job playing Chris k Cringle. I thought he was adorable. Sweet.
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I hate to say it, but a sweet old man. Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: see how the world was affected so nicely by him. I thought he was perfectly cast.
1:15:44
I I thought he did a fantastic job playing Chris k Cringle. I, I don't know if we spoke much about that, but I thought at the end of
1:15:49
the day, his performance was spot on. I like how they made the film look like a forties film with the lighting
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Katie: Yeah. Yeah, Ryan Rebalkin: had Katie: they, they did very nice. Ryan Rebalkin: And, Katie: The original did that too, kind of.
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Yeah. Ryan Rebalkin: they said they did that on Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: to, and I know, 'cause I know I was watching this, it was high def on my big Katie: Mm-hmm.
1:16:09
Ryan Rebalkin: oh, this looks really nice. So the movie looked really nice and modern. Had a good film called to it.
1:16:14
I mean, a couple confusing plot points, but overall I, I enjoyed this film. I don't know if it's for kids in the sense of like I said, I have a smart.
1:16:22
Kids that like to watch smart movies, but my son tapped out, so what does that mean? Maybe it's just not for him.
1:16:27
Maybe it's just too much girly stuff. I don't know. But he tapped out and he was bored, so I'm
1:16:32
Katie: even this is a 30-year-old movie for him. Do you know what I mean? Like a lot of kids can't watch
1:16:38
things that we used to watch too. So I think there's a lot of it. Ryan Rebalkin: kids do. They do. But I mean, I hear you.
1:16:43
But they do Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: we watch Platoon the other day and they loved it. And that full metal jacket, my, like my 11-year-old, he's
1:16:48
huge into war movies right now. That's his thing. Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: War, which is when I kind of got into war movies when I was 11, 12. So, but that being said, yeah, this don't think I would've enjoyed
1:16:56
this movie as a 12-year-old. There you go. Katie: Okay. Mm-hmm.
1:17:01
Ryan Rebalkin: dramas and big stories. This would've bored me at 12, but 50-year-old Ryan, I got wrapped up in it.
1:17:08
So I Katie: Yeah, Ryan Rebalkin: I think honestly it's an adult film. I don't know if it's for kid.
1:17:13
I don't know. I know there's Santa Chris gle. I would suspect the original probably would be more kid friendly.
1:17:19
Katie: it's not, it's not, it's, it's not, I don't think it's more kid friendly, but, but I do think the original is better.
1:17:25
Ryan Rebalkin: Okay. Katie: and I'm not alone. This movie, the 94 movie has a 6.6.
1:17:33
Yeah, 6.6. Yeah, it is, it's good. It's good. Ryan Rebalkin: It's a c plus Katie: Grading on a curve That's more like a b almost meaning of movies, nobody's at
1:17:44
a hundred, like the best movie is a nine. You know what I mean? Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah. Katie: Im Wise, so 6.6 is like close to seven, so that's, that's pretty good.
1:17:55
That's pretty good. Ryan Rebalkin: yeah. Katie: like very few movies get Into the eights, but the original almost did it.
1:18:03
The original has a 7.9, so fairly, significantly better. And I would agree.
1:18:08
What is really interesting, I don't know if, 'cause I watch subtitles and I know that you do too. Ryan Rebalkin: Yep, I did.
1:18:13
Yep. Katie: And even in the, when I was looking up the research, the 94 version of Chris Kringle is spelled with two S's,
1:18:21
Ryan Rebalkin: Yes, Katie: K-R-I-S-S. And I thought that was a mistake. And then, then when I was watching the movie and the subtitles showed two S's
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and then I immediately after watched the original and it's only one s so the
1:18:35
spellings are different in the movies. Ryan Rebalkin: hmm. Katie: And the reason, again, very similar to it not being Macy's.
1:18:42
Is to avoid legal and trademark complications. Ryan Rebalkin: Oh my gosh. Katie: Mm-hmm.
1:18:48
And also, I guess it could subtly distinguish The versions of the movies I guess a little bit.
1:18:55
I would just say too you're probably right about the adult thing and it's just the reverse of kid films have things in it for adults.
1:19:01
This is, maybe for adults that has some stuff in it. For kids. Ryan Rebalkin: There you go. I think that's a good way of looking at It Yeah.
1:19:06
Okay. Katie: I know we're talking about the John Hughes version but the original feels a little more grounded.
1:19:12
And like very New York, it feels like you're in New York more in the original and especially like the parade.
1:19:20
When I was watching it, the original, I was like, God, that looks real. Well. Then this morning when I was looking up some stuff that was actually real macy's
1:19:28
Thanksgiving parade it's real footage Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, that makes sense. Katie: We talked about Doris being really pioneering as a
1:19:36
career woman in the original. And actually to your point about you are not, I, you are wondering
1:19:42
about the relationship and why Dory is being, like, why is she pushing Dylan McDermott off so much?
1:19:48
Interestingly enough, she's softer. This version of Dory is softer
1:19:54
Ryan Rebalkin: wow. Katie: than than, than Maureen O'Hara's version. The extra 20 minutes you could argue.
1:20:00
Is the subplot, the like romantic subplot? Ryan Rebalkin: Right. Katie: It is secondary.
1:20:07
In, in the original it's extremely secondary. , At the end they do end up at a house.
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The original, the little girl only asks for a home. She doesn't ask for a dad or a brother.
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So those are things that are only in the John Hughes 94 version. The court case is also sharper and more satirical.
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The proof is not the dollar bill in God we trust. The proof is different.
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I don't know if you remember at all. Ryan Rebalkin: I don't remember. Katie: It's more like bureaucratic, it's the, all the letters to Santa that are held to the post office.
1:20:38
'cause they can't it's illegal to not deliver them to, and so they bring
1:20:43
like bags and bags, tens of thousands of letters to Santa, to the courtroom. And that's how they prove,
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Ryan Rebalkin: I think I Katie: that's how they prove that Santa is real in the original versus the, in God we trust on the dollar bill.
1:20:56
Ryan Rebalkin: Okay. Interesting, Katie: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Now Elizabeth Perkins met and married her husband on the set,
1:21:05
Ryan Rebalkin: That's crazy. Katie: cinematographer Julio Mcat. And a nod to recently covered home alone two where Macaulay Culkin
1:21:13
uses a talk boy, and we see it in The Shopper's Express entrance it's
1:21:19
a purposeful nod to this movie. Ryan Rebalkin: That's right. Katie: a talk boy, so that's a purposeful nod to another John.
1:21:25
Ryan Rebalkin: The, the universe you could argue of home alone, Katie: So Mary McCormick has her debut role in this.
1:21:31
She plays the Secretary of Dorie, and I completely missed her. But her character has a name Myrna Foy in this movie.
1:21:41
I guess she's credited as that, which apparently is a clear reference to actress Myrna Loy, who was just a very popular actress of the 1940s.
1:21:52
That was like a purposeful thing they did. The also, there was a character in the original he plays Santa.
1:21:58
What is his name in this? Oh, Alfred, he plays Alfred being like a little protege of Santa.
1:22:04
He works at the store and his name is Alan Greenman in the original, and
1:22:10
in this movie he plays the doorman. Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, okay. Katie: So little crossover there.
1:22:17
Ryan Rebalkin: yeah, that's great. That's, yeah, the John Hug averse, I guess. HU averse. There you go. Katie: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
1:22:23
I liked your thoughts. I don't know if there's anything additional that you wanna add in closing. For John Hughes, 1994 remake of the classic Christmas
1:22:34
movie, miracle on 34th Street. Ryan Rebalkin: Is it a classic? Well, I guess after 25 years it could be called a classic.
1:22:39
Is that the rule? Katie: It's a remake of the classic. Ryan Rebalkin: sure. Okay. Fair enough. Well, look, it's a, I'll say this,
1:22:47
watch as an adult for sure, because I think you'll get into the Christmas spirit. I think it's a great philosophical discussion of both.
1:22:55
God, Santa Claus, all those things about what's more important. There you go, Katie.
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What's more important, the messaging or the messenger? So the idea is, is it, is it terrible to say show love?
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Be charitable. Be kind to your neighbor. Be forgiving whether it's the Christ message or be good.
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Listen to your parents. Be kind to your friends. That's a Santa message now. could say the messengers are fake.
1:23:24
They're not real people, but the messaging is valid. It's good. That's a good way to be in society.
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That's my hot take. I think being a good person is a hot Is is. I know. Isn't that weird? Katie: I mean, nowadays it is a hot take.
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I think, you know, anytime somebody requests that of you, you're woke. Ryan Rebalkin: That's true. So I guess I'm woke.
1:23:41
'cause I just want Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: be Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: people to be nice and fair and kind. I'm crazy. I
1:23:47
Katie: I you it is. It's wild. Ryan Rebalkin: I Katie: Wild. Take. Ryan Rebalkin: if you want to get that kind of, but it's a great philosophical
1:23:53
discussion, but, you know, are we mad at the messenger or the message? So I, I like that idea. So it's yeah, it's actually a lot more, put it this way, I went in thinking this
1:24:02
was gonna be a hokey and knowing kid wanted to believe in Santa's story, I left thinking, oh, there's actually a lot here to take in and to figure out.
1:24:09
So I actually like the philosophical courtroom drama of it. Yeah. Katie: I like it. I, I think I would agree.
1:24:15
There were some parts that were really elevated, like you said, some of the philosophical things, and then some things that just weren't crisp like
1:24:22
it just needed a maybe one more pass. I did wanna point out what Chris Kringle tells Dory.
1:24:27
I, I specifically made a note, Chris Carla says to Dory, I'm not just a whimsical figure, I'm a symbol of the human ability to suppress the
1:24:36
hateful and selfish tendencies that rule the major part of our life.
1:24:42
If you can't accept anything on faith, you are doomed. A life dominated by doubt.
1:24:48
Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah. I remember that one that happened in the film. That's a very poignant moment. That's what I mean. There's a lot of Katie: I. Ryan Rebalkin: here that a kid might hear
1:24:54
them be. Katie: Mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah. Katie: Yeah, he kind of goes on and there's a lot of things like, they point out, oh, I think you've made believers of everyone.
1:25:02
And Chris k Cringle hasn't quite made a believer yet of Dory and the daughter. So there's one last tidbit that needs to be taken care of, and
1:25:08
they do wrap it up perfectly. And this is also a wrap of Miracle on 34th Street.
1:25:16
Ryan, don't forget to remind us about some of your shows. Anything you have upcoming that you want us, that you wanna,
1:25:23
get people excited about. Ryan Rebalkin: I, I dunno if I get anyone excited about anything, but I'll try. The, the Directors Chair Network, again, Google the Directors Chair
1:25:31
Network podcast available on YouTube. You get the visuals, you can actually get the visuals of our discussions,
1:25:36
but if you don't want that, it's also available anywhere you listen to podcasts. And as of right now, I've already got in the bank and you're one of
1:25:44
those episodes that are banked. We're covering Terrence Malick films. That's the next film that I'm covering. And I've already got two episodes recorded at the time.
1:25:51
It's recording. I've got banked episodes of Terrence Malick's journey. I'm really the discussion so far, and you joined me for the first episode of
1:25:59
that season where we covered Bad Lance. Speaking of Martin Sheen with the West Wing. So yeah, bad lands.
1:26:05
I can't wait for that weather to go public. Katie: I am excited about it too. It's a wild ride of a movie and I guess I'm learning more
1:26:10
about myself that I kind of like seventies movies, so that's so we don't cover seventies movies on man, guys,
1:26:16
were strictly eighties and nineties, but Ryan Rebalkin: there's an aesthetic to the seventies and Katie: mm-hmm. Ryan Rebalkin: that in our discussion.
1:26:21
And the next one we covered days of Heaven. That was a big discussion point too, the seventies film. So yeah, check that out.
1:26:26
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1:26:34
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1:26:56
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1:27:02
But I like those two, so please feel free to send an email and thank you for spending a little holiday magic with us.
1:27:08
Until next time, be kind, rewind.
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