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This season,
we're talking about The Acolyte,
probably one of the more
controversial shows since Obi-Wan Kenobi,
funny enough.
But it's been a fun ride.
This week, Justin, unfortunately,
had a weird mishap with the schedule,
and he's not going to be here tonight.
But that's okay.
We wish him a very happy
trip to wherever vacation
destination he is going.
We do, however,
have our good friend Phil here today.
Thanks for being here, Phil.
Good to be here, as always.
If you ever, like,
forgot that your flight was
indeed today and not tomorrow,
would you live through the night?
No.
No, I would not.
I just...
Yeah,
I wish Justin the best of luck with
his endeavor.
Yeah.
But I'm glad that you didn't
forget any trips or
anything and that you're
still here with us.
Or the time being.
Yeah.
How's the Ren Faire going?
Ah, you know, it's not going too bad.
We're just over halfway through,
and we are heading into
Pirate Invasion weekend
this Saturday and Sunday.
Oh, that's got to be a good weekend,
right?
It's the best.
It is, unfortunately,
also supposed to be the
hottest weekend of the
whole festival so far.
They're talking like...
heat warnings like triple
digit heat warnings up and
down the front range so
gotta stay hydrated like I
was just actually like
water hydrated yeah yeah
because you're gonna be in
that crazy costume and like
it's gonna be hot as hell
So I wish you the best of
luck on that and definitely
stay hydrated.
And people that are going to
the Ren Faire or doing
anything out in that heat, stay hydrated.
And like Phil said, with water, not booze,
it's not the same.
Drink water.
Speaking of drinking water,
we have a very wonderful
friend of mine on the show today.
He actually was on the
second ever episode of the
Twist My Arm podcast.
You can go all the way back
in the Twist My Arm Classic
episodes and find him.
The episode here with Mr. Nate.
Thanks for coming back, sir.
Josh, it's absolutely great to be here,
man.
It's crazy.
I know you came on the Rocky
Mountain Sports Room.
We got to have you on there as a guest.
Steve, Ben, our other hosts,
if you're listening,
I'll just say it was really
nice to have somebody on
the show that actually
knows something about basketball.
Hopefully we can have you
back because I'm tired of
listening to those guys.
talk football and then pivot
over to thinking they have
an opinion that weighs in on the Nuggets.
But now that I've started that fight,
which wasn't intended to start, yeah,
I mean, it's great to be here.
Excited to talk to Star Wars.
Phil, it's nice to meet you.
Likewise, man.
I would not go to the Ben's
Fair this weekend with that
heat if you paid me,
if I did not have to dress
up like a pirate.
It's been hard to pry me
outside in the 90s.
Hey, that's fair enough, man.
It's all good.
Yeah, there's no way.
I have a hard time just
going outside right now.
I mean, it's humid as hell in Nebraska.
So with the heat,
you add the humidity and
it's pretty rough.
But like, man, going to the red,
just going out at any point
in time during a heat wave
like that does not sound
like a good time to me.
Yeah.
Yeah, but thank you guys for being here.
I am excited to talk about this week.
You know,
I watched this episode the other
day and I was having a
really bad toothache.
And I was kind of medicated
and fell asleep.
I was falling in and out of
sleep during the episode.
And from what I saw,
I literally just thought I
was watching Episode 3, Destiny.
um which is why I called
this episode the director's
cut destiny the director's
cut because it seemed like
it was just when I first
did the whole thing named
the episode and everything
it was like well it's just
like episode three but with
10 minutes of extra footage
so it's like a director's cut but
Upon second watch,
I actually had a lot more
fun when I was coherent and awake.
This episode was actually really,
really good.
So I do have some qualms with it,
especially that music at the end.
Why?
I'm just going to bring it up now.
Why?
Why vocals?
Why?
Just the pop aspect in general,
that's never been a thing,
especially like, you know,
English language pop music.
And not in any universe.
yeah kind of thing I
listened to the whole song
the second time through I
listened to the whole thing
I gave it a good old
college try and I just
can't I it was very out of
pocket I think for star
wars did you guys listen to
the whole thing song and
like any credits of this
one or something yeah yeah
all right because I told
you I just watched this one
like not today but last night
I guess I skipped bits for
the first week correctly.
I did not catch that.
I'm going to go back.
That sounds ridiculous.
It was a choice.
Is this as bad as suddenly
busting into a pop song at
Jabba's level of music?
No,
it was just a little jarring given the
tone of the ending of things.
It just didn't seem like it
lent itself to a happy, like,
pop song ending.
Yeah, no, it was... No, and thanks, Jesse,
for being here.
Oh, shit.
He says, unfortunately,
that song was solid.
And, I mean, for a pop song,
it's a cool song, but, like,
I just... You know?
Are we talking Hayley Swift?
Not to be that guy.
He also says not to be that guy,
but Star Trek actor has a
single called Twin Flames.
I mean, that's normal.
Star Trek also had a musical episode,
which was groundbreaking,
and it was really good.
But, like,
they're a little more
experimental over there,
and Star Trek always has
been a little more experimental.
Star Wars has always kind of
stuck to a certain formula
when it comes to, you know,
their scores and their soundtracks.
And so it just...
me I don't know I just don't
think uh no and he's right
it's not a he says just oh
no happy song it's not it's
about like the episode
basically it's very very
sad but um just the fact
that it's a pop song was
weird to me so let's go
back and check it out I
know it I might be coming
back around tomorrow josh
what are you talking about
that's the track of the year
It threw me a little bit.
I will admit it threw me a little bit,
but I did appreciate it
more on a second listen through.
I mean, okay.
That's fair.
Again, it's a good song.
I just don't think it was
really meant to be there.
It was weird.
Anyway, we'll move on from there.
We are seven episodes deep.
Thanks, Jesse.
um so we're seven episodes
deep now and we have one
episode to go and we got
pretty much all the answers
um from previous episodes
except for like chimera we
didn't get any answers
about chimera or anything
like that but that was to
be expected with a
flashback episode yes um
nate what have been
You know, actually, before I get into that,
I'm sorry.
I need to start.
I'm getting too far ahead of myself.
You've always liked Star Wars,
for the most part.
Oh, yeah.
What got you into Star Wars?
I really can't remember the
first time I saw Star Wars.
I know that, you know,
there's a lot of cool
things about growing up nowadays.
The kids have and everything like that.
But something that they
won't have is like a huge...
cabinet of totally legally
recorded tv movies right
and so just going through
all of those tapes and
finding the one that star
wars like you know empire
strikes back I turn to the
jedi and just watching them
and fast forward to the
commercial breaks and like
I don't think I actually
saw the theatrical cuts
until you re-release in
theaters I saw them out
like I didn't see the you
know a new rope until I had
already seen empire strikes
back like 50 times as a kid
So, yeah, I mean, I've got,
I think I've gotten into a
more visible spot,
but I'm not sure what I'm
thinking right now.
Somewhere up there in the
background of crap that
might be going behind me,
I've still got the, like,
eight VHS tapes left, and six of them are,
you know,
the original trilogy and the
director's cut.
Yeah.
Right, so, been a huge Lifetime fan.
You know,
I think one of the times we
talked to Star Wars on a podcast,
you know, it might have been
back in the beginning days
of twist my arm and you
guys are like okay so
you're like a purist when I
was saying I didn't really
recognize these new star
wars movies they didn't
feel like star wars and
I'll take the prequels and
all like star wars this
really has been my first
like re-engagement with
star wars since the
skywalker trilogy kind of
just pushed me away and honestly like
was to turn on the fence
about watching it.
And then you said, hey,
would you plan on watching it?
We'd love to have that come on the show.
And I thought, hey, all human humor, Josh.
It can't be worse than Solo, right?
Actually, it's a bloody surprise.
It's not, you know,
blowing my mind or anything like that.
But we talked about before
we started shooting, right?
Like,
I'm surprised that if anything Disney
has created,
if anything's going to create
backlash and have fans saying,
we don't like this,
this one would be the last
one I would expect.
That confuses me more than anything.
Like, again,
it's not the greatest thing
they've ever made,
but I've been pretty
confident this season so far.
Yeah.
So, all in all,
you've thought the Acolyte has been, like,
solid?
Like,
are you excited for the season finale?
I'm excited, and I'm worried.
Like, I was worried... Oh, my God.
I mean,
we talk about it a few different times,
and I was worried during the series.
A lot of us around Carrie and Moss.
But he's dead as long as we
don't flash back again.
So I think we should be OK.
I was worried once we got to
about episode five or so, like, OK,
you guys only have eight episodes.
Did you write yourself into a corner?
And then, you know,
this last director's cut of episode three,
right,
where we got to see what really
happened 16 years ago.
That was awesome.
But all I could think the
whole time I was watching it was crap.
I think there's only 45
minutes left to wrap this up.
And I know it's not a movie.
It's a show, but season two isn't a given.
And wherever they're going with it,
it's just,
I hope they're able to pull it
all off in like 45, 50 minutes.
And I'm really hoping they
don't cop out because, you know,
I think there was some
serious cop out in the
Captain Kennedy trilogy.
And I feel like so far
they're leaning into some
of that darker side of the
force type stuff and the
fact that not everybody's perfect.
And I'm hoping that that leaves it.
I hope this season ends
leaving me wanting more of
feeling like some dark
times might be ahead, you know,
and not falling into that
trap of wanting to wrap
everything up and make
everybody feel good.
Yeah.
I'm enjoying it.
I'm excited for the finale,
but I'm worried they're not
going to stick the link.
Understandable.
Yeah, that's a very fair assessment.
I do love the dark side
aspect of this show.
That's been my favorite part.
That's been the biggest draw
to this show since they announced it,
was that it's going to be
more of a dark side story
and less of a heroic,
triumphant Jedi story.
And I do agree.
I would like this show to
end with a little bit more
Jesse Says question.
Will the show end on a cliffhanger,
angling for a second season?
And I think there's already
cliffhangers going on right now.
The Senate wanting to do an
audit on the Jedi is a pretty big...
like storyline that they
could run with in the
second season um now with
this episode we have a
character that's missing
that could show up in the
second season with a story
arc um and who knows what's
gonna happen in the season
finale like we could be
left with a ton of questions so um
yeah this episode was really
good it it got us through
like brendak finally that's
like been our biggest thing
is I just wanted to know
what happened on brendak um
my synopsis for this was
and again I wrote this
like a while ago and it's
it's in the director's cut
of episode three we get 10
minutes of never before
seen footage we finally get
to see what happened all
that time ago on brendak
but was it satisfying or
were we left with more
questions and answers see I
wrote that before I watched
it again but then after I i
watched it again I was like
well it's just too funny I
gotta leave it in so
We did actually get a lot of
questions answered,
but we did get a lot more
questions kind of thrown at us.
So we'll get into those as they arise.
But, Phil,
what were your impressions of Episode 7?
What were your thoughts after watching?
overall uh I well we got to
see the same uh we got to
see the same director uh
koganata was back uh
directing this which only
made sense since he had
directed the uh previous
flashback episode right um
it's kind of interesting
because like outside of a
lot of south korean film
work most of his stuff is uh
like done a supplemental videos.
Like he does essays and
things to go as extras on
criterion collection releases.
So he's got an incredible
eye and it was just fun to
see him kind of show off as
a director a little more.
But I think it was necessary
to have him back behind the
camera for this episode in
order to make that whole
structure still feel like
the same time period,
to make it feel like the same event.
And to be fair,
I bet he just directed both
episodes at the same time.
Probably.
Yeah.
But regardless,
being able to have him have
that perspective on both of
these parts of the story.
Yes.
And have that eye for that
perspective to tell the
story that he did was pretty well done.
And to be able to set it up
and frame it so that we got
enough of a different perspective,
enough of a different bit
of story with this.
I do like how much of the
same kind of stuff we saw in the overlap,
but getting it from, you know,
not the same exact same camera angles,
not getting all of the
exact same elements.
It definitely,
I think it definitely nailed that whole,
the whole Rashomon effect
that it's been going for,
that the series has been going for.
Okay.
That was one of my questions, actually,
was where do we stand with
the whole Rashomon thing?
I think it was well done.
All right.
But I've also re-watched
Rashomon fairly recently,
like within the last few months,
to just kind of have
that... Not even
specifically because of this,
but honestly just because I
like Kurosawa as a filmmaker.
So...
well but it does it does
help kind of gives you a
better idea of I should go
I need to go back and watch
that so I can actually know
where they're pulling their
you know inspirations from
because yeah I like talking
about it but of course I'm
like oh I've only read you
know the synopsis of the
movies and like I just have
never had access to that
kind of stuff so yeah
I'm sure with the internet now,
I'm sure I could find it pretty easily.
Yeah, I enjoyed it.
And I can almost guarantee
you I'm going to rate this
one higher than you.
Probably.
My rating has already gone
up a lot since the second watch of it.
But I also know I...
I'm coming into this,
as I do any of these stories,
I'm coming in with an
English major's perspective
on narrative structure and
things like that.
And with that perspective,
is it living up to what it
was kind of putting down?
Yeah, no, I mean,
it's hitting a lot of the
pretty consistent story beats.
I think it's actually being...
I think it's being better paced.
I honestly think that we could get,
we could have gotten some
more characterization.
Jesse mentioned Torben again here.
We,
we see a lot from him in this episode
in a very few scenes.
I think we got solid
characterization out of everybody.
It's,
Fascinating to see the
conflict in the Jedi's
motives throughout this episode.
Yeah, absolutely.
Nate,
what did you think about after this
episode?
What were your thoughts as
far as how the flashback
was handled and stuff?
I thought it was really good.
Honestly, I'm a fan of show, don't tell.
If you want to write a book, write a book.
That's awesome.
I can't tell you how loud I
cheered when she died like
10 seconds into the show.
I was like, thank God.
Oh my God.
I did not want to have to watch her.
Probably really not.
Watch the matrix.
Tell me her best scene in the matrix.
We're not just saying Neo.
She's terrible.
She was decent.
Whatever.
Not my point.
It was a lot better than I
thought it would be.
It honestly was.
I was worried, like I said, pacing-wise,
that they don't have time
to go back and retell that
part of the story.
But it was visual storytelling.
So much of it was subtle.
They could have easily come in and said,
oh, this part's different,
or really made sure to call
your attention to it.
And, you know...
as we sit here and talk about it more,
I'm realizing I really does
deserve at least a second viewing, but,
um, just the, the slight differences,
right?
Like why they were there,
the actual motives of what
brought them there and what
they actually saw and what actually, um,
you know,
the actual decision that's all
made in terms of actually saving or not,
uh,
not pay and what that meant and
everything.
And just the, the fact that,
They kind of just let you
watch it and internalize
what didn't jive with the
version that you were told before.
I thought very well into the
kind of ending of just like,
we're not telling the
council what happened.
Like,
want to make sure everybody knows that.
Yeah, that was interesting.
I feel like Indara is just kind of like,
I don't know,
she really likes keeping secrets.
There's one big thing that I
think she's kind of keeping
a secret about later on,
but we'll get into that.
I did want to just kind of
talk about the very beginning.
They've been on this island
or whatever this planet for
seven weeks and they're
just now noticing the witches are there.
I don't... Are they that inept?
Like,
is that... Are the Jedi just not that
good right now?
Are we supposed to believe that?
Or were they really... See,
I guess going back and thinking about it,
were they more just, like,
exploring the entire planet
and now they're just
finally running into these witches?
I don't know.
That was my kind of impression,
was that they'd been
assigned to Brendock and
had been there for a while.
Just given Torben's level of patience,
it didn't seem like that
was the kind of...
stress that would have built
up after like a week long
camping trip to go do some
surveys um but my guess is
they had been elsewhere on
brendok and just ended up
near the uh the coven at
the wrong time or the right
time I mean we'll we'll see
yeah and that's another
theory and yeah actually um
but it's hard to say if
that would make it more you
know harder for them to be
found by non-jedi
definitely but but you
think jedi would be able to
sense that either way right
if there's suddenly a big
gap in the force
just like a void somewhere
I'm thinking about that
myself in the sense of the
prequels right they all the
time mention that the dark
side has kind of clouded
their vision or it's tough
to see and those types of
things and I was kind of
thinking maybe it was
something like that but
like you know even are they
like they're force
sensitive but you can't
really classify them as
Sith or Jedi they're like
primal force users I don't know
exactly but to me I i agree
with you I think they've
been there for a while and
eventually just stumbled
across them so there's uh
leslie headland actually
talks about that um there's
an interview that she talks
about the witches and
they're not fully night
sister but they're like
kind of in between
um so there's there's more
like I have a pretty fun
piece of that interview
later on about one of these
witches and uh it it kind
of leads to a another
thread that could be filled
up in later seasons and
even later on in like canon
you know what I mean if
gosh I guess at the
beginning it's basically just introducing
all of the jedi and how and
how torben's an impatient
whiny little uh and and
indara's like the leader
kalnaka's you know the
muscle and it seems like
yeah the tech guy you're
right and the metal
detector guy that's weird
but soul is like this very eager to please,
but also like wanting to like wanting,
he gets ahead of himself.
Like, you know,
he's talking about his Padawan or how,
you know,
there's an instance where Indara
and him are talking and she's like,
that's why I have a Padawan
and you don't.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that's actually part of,
that's my one-chimer.
I'm going to do this like we did last week,
and I'm actually going to
play my segments as they appear.
So that is my one-chimer,
and I'm going to play it right now.
I was disturbed.
I'm balanced.
You were disturbed.
Do not confuse Torben's
feelings with your own.
I do not tell him answers to
ease his mind I teach him
to seek the answers for himself
so that to me just proved
how much of a leader indara
was in this whole um
scenario this whole scene
and like how much better of
a jedi she is than soul at
the moment um because right
after that is basically
when you know she's like oh
you disagree and he's like
you know and then she says
that's why I have a padawan
so that kind of also gives
us this idea that soul is
you know like he wants that
kind of padawan and that
leads in later on with osha
and how like it's kind of a
weird obsession I feel like
it's such a nice it's such
a nice parallel to kymere
they they both just want an
apprentice they want an acolyte mm-hmm
So we have that kind of dark
mirror there for soul.
And I'm sure that that is
probably the most
terrifying thing about
Chimera's existence to him is very much a,
that could have been me.
Yeah, man.
See,
and I want to know Chimera's backstory
more than anything.
Was he there?
Because we didn't really see
how May survived.
So what happened with that?
But this actually getting
into Soul and his obsession
with these girls.
He finds the girls.
He stumbles upon the girls in this meadow.
That's actually Justin's
Sarlacc killer scene at the
5 minute and 44 second mark.
Um,
where he walks into the meadow with that.
What tree is that again?
Uh, the Boonta tree.
Okay.
So yeah,
he's like stumbles in the Boonta
tree and here's the little
girls playing and he starts
kind of watching them and
gets all worried because
coral shows up and kind of, she's like,
Oh, you're breaking the rules.
Blah, blah, blah.
What were your like,
impressions of of soul now
what is it is he like
slowly in these scenes
changing your mind about
him because by the end of
this episode I feel like I
respected him a little less
oh I i think we're
definitely supposed to see
this as kind of a um he'd
been on a pedestal and now
we see that that pedestal is broken
yeah um we had so much of
just kind of osha's uh and
uh arguably even uh jackie
and yord's opinions of him
uh shaping so much of what
we saw um we saw the
repentant uh old man we
didn't see the impulsive um
kind of reckless Jedi.
So, yeah.
So we see him now and we,
we see him arguably make a
mistake from the beginning that,
that none of this ever should have,
you know, really spiraled the way it did.
Nate, what about you?
What did you think about
Saul's character in general?
On our show, he's been kind of a staple.
We've really enjoyed him as
a character and as an actor,
but I think this episode, for me at least,
it kind of, like I said,
I lost a little respect for
the character.
Yeah.
And I can get that.
I can.
I mean,
I will say coming into this episode,
Firmly my favorite character on the show.
And not necessarily because
he was this pillar beacon of light.
I just love his character.
I think the gentleman who's
acting is fantastic.
I was playing him.
So that didn't change per se,
but it's maybe bringing him down a notch.
Kind of.
here's the thing is it was
16 years earlier, right?
If this was cutting to two
years ago or months ago or
something that happened the
week before the show
started and stuff like that,
that would have impacted it a lot more.
And like, I liked what you said there,
Bill, as far as it being like,
we've seen the repentance old man,
like if anything helped
gave me just more insight
into what probably is more, uh,
cautious and, and, um,
stoic and those types of
things at the time that we
see him in the show proper.
We heard about that 16 years ago,
but we still use a 15 and a
half or 16 year time gap basically there.
That's what happened after
that until the show started.
And for a parallel, even within Star Wars,
we have prequel Obi-Wan
versus original trilogy Obi-Wan.
We see him
making mistakes with his own
padawan and you know
dealing with the
consequences they're in
yeah I mean honestly you
think about it we don't
really see that many uh uh
jedi like power when they
were younger seemed to just
be calm and cool and not
have anything like you know
I mean even yeah um may and osha
you know,
whatever force sensitivity they
are further developed.
They're neither of them like calm, cool,
collected.
Oh, not by, not by any means,
but they are also children
who are growing up in such
a drastically different force tradition.
They're, they're still,
they are still growing up with the force,
much like any of the Jedi
growing up at the temple would be doing.
They're still growing up,
being trained in ways to
manipulate the energy around them.
But throughout that whole thing,
we see just kind of the
differences between those
two styles of force manipulation,
of force utilization.
I lost my thread there.
No, you're good.
You're good.
It all just kind of comes
back around to Sol being a
bit of an asshole.
Yeah, no, I mean, a little bit.
Especially towards the end
when he chooses one.
And it's all kind of his fault.
It's a mix of...
Torben and his fault.
By the end of this, I'm like, oh yeah,
this is definitely painting
the Jedi in a terrible light.
I think it's showing that
they never were all-knowing.
That they've always been...
They were never infallible.
They've always been just...
regular people who have some, you know,
need to build.
Everyone has issues.
Yeah.
Um, back to, to finish up Justin's, uh,
starlight killer scene.
Yeah.
So his.
Yeah.
Yeah,
and I just wanted to make sure that I
got his comments out there.
Yes.
He says,
Phil did a pretty cool action shot,
so I did a cool wide shot of the forest.
Reminds me of my happy place,
sort of like South Carolina
wilderness with a twist of Colorado.
A cozy forest retreat.
And it's very true.
It does look like a nice,
cozy little area that you
could set up camp in.
To finish up, Jesse says,
I like that we get a really
good reason for Soul to be
reluctant to use his
lightsaber these days.
And yes,
that is probably one of the
coolest scenes that we will
get to in a minute.
Right now,
Soul is talking to the twins and
he kind of like stalks them a little bit.
He follows them and like
does all the thing.
And this actually gets us to
Nate's Sarlacc killer scene.
which comes at the 8 minute
and 13 second mark with
soul scaling up the wall of
the I'm just going to call
them as they are the night
sister castle um why did
you pick this particular
shot for your scene nate I
mean I definitely thought
it was beautiful in terms
of just capturing like the
the planet and how sort of
natural and wild it is but
then also there's a
structure here that really
has that feeling of I don't
want to say permanence but
it's been a very very very
long time um and just I
don't know that was a
beautiful shot and just the
anticipation of like what
is going to be seen and
what's going to happen once
he actually climbs up to
the top and gets in there
and um just I know they
used a lot of g uh
throughout this whole thing because
where I felt like they put a
lot of effort into making
it look plain and that's
not a compliment in most
faces but just there's
nothing really flashy even
on there it's just like
beautiful shot of this
castle as you put it right
just there in the midst on
the planet and it captures
the whole vibe of really
that that whole planet just in one shot
Yeah, for sure.
And it's a nice wide shot
for Phil because Phil loves
his wide shots.
I do love me my establishing shots.
Yeah,
and I really like the whole castle scene.
It just looks so Star Wars-y,
especially when he's
walking up to the gate of it.
It's a super cool castle.
And even the inside,
we get such a good look of
the inside of that castle as well.
And later during the battle
when the witches are all up
with their bow and arrows and stuff,
it was pretty cool.
um great pick for sure uh
speaking of knight sisters
man we're just blowing
through these segments
right now um the the next
one chimer that we kind of
get to and we'll we're
gonna discuss it a little
bit because um there's some
implications here but
justin's one chimer is this scene
A force called here.
I think they're witches.
Night sisters.
We do not have all the information.
Besides,
night sisters don't raise younglings,
let alone train them.
So this is right after Sol
kind of sees all the
witches and what's going on
with the girls and stuff.
And they just blatantly
bring up Nightsisters.
And Indara really drives it
home that Nightsisters don't have kids.
They don't do that kind of thing.
So I really,
really like this because I've
said it from the beginning
that they're Nightsisters.
And, you know...
The magic scenes kind of prove that,
I guess.
It's like early stages of
Nightsisterism or something.
Nightsisterhood.
Yeah,
and I really like that they bring
that up and actually talk about it.
And it looked like Kelnaka
was pretty worried when they bring it up.
He's like, what?
What do you mean, Nightsisters?
I can't handle that kind of shit.
What did you think, Nate, about them?
Do you know much about Nightsisters at all,
other than... I don't know
a ton of the lore about them, no.
I mean, is that fully, like,
affiliated with the dark side?
Because that's unusual.
Kind of.
It's more like Ra's al Ghul
type of stuff where they're like rogue.
They use the force in their
own way and they like to
resurrect people from the
dead and that kind of thing.
They were in Clone Wars, big in Clone Wars,
had some good things in Rebels.
Um,
and then they were introduced a little
more in live action in Ahsoka.
So, uh,
definitely the idea that they would
be from the sense of, you know, such, uh,
hey, they're not like, because they, it,
I guess bringing up the fact
that they wouldn't train
their younglings like that
as proof that they can't be Nightsisters,
to me, rang more as proof.
It was like, okay, well,
clearly you don't know
everything about them.
You know what I mean?
Like, well, they would never do that.
I mean,
you're just reading from a textbook
that you read in Coruscant forever.
Like, you've never actually met them.
Whoever wrote that book may
never have actually met them.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like,
they're operating on a lot of
assumptions.
Yeah.
They did use a lot of crazy
Nightsister magic, though.
For instance, Coral disappears at the end.
She just fades into dust.
And we never see her again.
She just disappears.
And so one thing about the
Nightsisters that was really cool,
Leslie Hedlund had this interview.
I got this from Nerdist.
And she does say that, and she quotes,
what I will say as a tease,
if we are able to explore this story more,
her species, talking about coral,
will tell you a little bit
more about where she ends up.
So her species is a Zabrak, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, Zabrak,
which is Darth Maul's species, right?
And his brothers,
they were that same species.
And Zabraks were heavily
affiliated with Nightsisters.
And they were on Dathomir.
They basically resided on Dathomir.
And so the big theory is
that she will end up on
Dathomir and kind of be a
Zabrak Nightsister.
Kind of establishing the
order that we later see on Dathomir.
yeah so that I like like we
were talking about earlier
that could be a really cool
thread that they could talk
about going into later
seasons you know especially
if if any of these
characters survive osha or
may or you know chimer or
whatever um they could go
on a on a hunt for coral to
see you know see if they
can find her then they you
know and it'd be it'd be a
fun story so um
it was a good pick for
justin thanks justin I hope
you're having a good flight
right now and and I hope
you're still alive sir um
they they kind of go into
like discussions about more
discussions about why
they're there and um they
discussed a virgins
So this is the whole reason.
This is the biggest part of
the show right now that
everyone is freaking out
about is the virgins of the Force.
And that's why they're there.
Back to, I guess, my one-chimer.
Was that my one-chimer that I just played?
I can't remember.
But back to my one-chimer.
Sol tells Torben about the virgins and
And people are really upset
because they think that
Anakin was the only one
that should have had a
vergence when these twins
were another vergence.
Phil,
do you think they ruined Star Wars
with this?
Do you think Anakin's soul
has been ruined with this?
Not by any means.
Not at all.
That's literally as much
time as you really want to spend on it.
Because I am in the same boat.
It's a big galaxy.
And it's not a true vergence.
It's a vergence created by the witches.
It's like Thanos snapping
his fingers and creating
that big cosmic blast that they see.
A man-made or a being-made cosmic blast,
whereas an actual star blow-up
to give that kind of cosmic
blast that would be natural.
So in the same sense,
the birth of Anakin and his
virgins would have been a
natural one that,
if we get into more stories
of Plagueis and things,
was kind of caused by their...
dealing with the dark side
but in at a surface level
anakin was like the natural
virgins whereas the twins
are a more man-made one so
I think the word the
ruining star wars uh bit is
a little tiring
They're now just kind of
looking for things to bitch about.
And so, like I said,
I just wanted to ask you
what you thought about that really quick.
Nate, what about you?
Do you think... I think they
brought that up a few times
throughout all the movies, right?
And just so it stands to
reason that even long before, you know,
back in the old Republic era,
they still would have been
going around looking for those instances,
right?
And that
when it's it's clearly not
something that is a new
idea when like obi-wan
brings it up about anakin
in front of the council for
the first time and uh you
know mace windu's I believe
it was mace windu very
suspiciously like you
believe this is centered
around a person like that
that in and of itself make
an incredibly incredibly unique self
Just the fact that they
stumbled across one and
these twins are a part of
it does not immediately
elevate them to that level of like, okay,
then they're saying they're
as powerful as Anakin or
anything like that.
But also in the point of the
big galaxy and it's hundreds of years.
I mean,
I'm probably screwing with the
timeline of people's
far enough removed that like
any of these characters
that are living in the old
republic era are myths by
the time we get to the
actual proper canon era of
star wars so I don't see it
impacting it but we talked
about it before we started
recording right like some
people just they have that
head canon and something
violates it then it's just
zero out of ten you killed
my childhood you know stop
ruining star wars
Yeah, agreed.
And I'm glad that not
everyone's a hater and that
not everyone's making up
excuses to hate the show.
Excuse me, I swallowed my water.
I'm telling you, man,
five minutes into the show,
I thought I was going to
have to come on and be like,
so do you want me to tell
you how I really feel or do
you want me to keep talking
and listening?
I honestly thought it was
going to be a lot of just
I don't know.
The first 10 minutes or so
didn't give me the best first impression.
I know what they were going for.
It probably pulled a lot of
the younger audience.
But for me,
it put me on the fence and told
me to actually kind of sit
down a bit and started telling a story.
And I was like, all right, I'll sit down.
I'll invest my time.
Yeah, for sure.
Jesse says,
I don't think Anakin was made
by a vergence.
Wasn't there more of an
intent behind his creation?
I mean, according to the comics and stuff,
there was like Plagueis and
Sidious were messing with
the dark side and trying to
create life themselves.
And the Force kind of
responded and created life in Shmi.
Although there are a couple
comics that kind of imply
that Palpatine created
Anakin through the Force
and basically put her in Shmi.
So there's... I mean,
there's weird things out there, but...
essentially anakin was like
in episode one when he's
talking to mace windu you
know he says you believe
the virgins is this boy
yeah when they were talking
when qui-gon was talking to
me in episode one right uh
he writes just says there
was a father right I feel
like we've got an almost
exact copy of that line from
the witches when they were
asked what their father was, right?
Yep, pretty much, yeah.
And I love the idea with May
and Osha that they may have
initially been, that you know,
the intent may have
initially been to create
one powerful being split
into those two bodies,
but the twin aspect of
things was intentional.
yeah and on the subject of
twins see this is perfect
this is actually phil's it
brings us into phil's one
chimer so I'm gonna go
ahead and play that really
quick someday those noble
intentions you all have
will destroy every jedi in the galaxy
So their noble intentions
are to come take the twins
because they're the virgins in the Force,
and they're supposed to
take this virgins back to the Council.
But as she says,
their noble intentions will mess them up.
Phil,
why did you pick this particular line?
I just thought it was good
foreshadowing because we as
viewers know that these Jedi are doomed.
at least three of them anyway.
So probably two.
And we know that further down the line,
we run into the Clone Wars
and Order 66 and the Jedi
being wiped out.
And
how much of that was because
of the altruism because of the,
the attempt to be, you know,
the noble Jedi, you know,
because of all of their
well-meaning intent to go
save this young slave boy
from his life of poverty on Tatooine.
Now, suddenly everything's blown up.
Yeah.
But yeah, that was,
that was why I picked that one.
I was like, that's,
it's a nice bit of build up
to the inevitable fate of
the Jedi down the line.
Yeah.
It's, it's like you said,
it's really good
foreshadowing and it's just a really,
I like that actress a lot.
She delivers that line really well.
She's so good.
I think she did really good.
She did really well in this entire,
like her few scenes that she had,
but yeah,
i really yeah I really liked
their whole discussion
there um and you can
definitely see the
difference between coral
and mother anasea like yeah
you know one wants peace
the other one just really
wants to rip their heads
off so that's a zabrak for you though
let's see we did okay we did
kind of find out a little
later on just on this topic
of twins that they were
split they might have been
one being that was split
into two and that might
have been the virgins that happened and
i mean technically speaking
that's what happens with
identical twins anyway but
but they made it they made
it seem like identical like
it would have some some
differences yeah these
twins had zero differences
at all yeah I mean they
were we can see that one of
them's taller than the
other one but like that's
that's just me um it'll be
illusion for me josh
it's uh it's just it was a
strange kind of tidbit I
don't really know how to
take that like is that
supposed to make them even
more special or does that
mean that one of them's
expendable or can they not
exist not both of them yeah
that would that would be
the direction I'd go with
the imbalance if they're not both alive
Okay.
Like a dyad, kind of?
Yeah.
But unable to survive without the other.
I guess it'd be stronger
than a dyad because in Star Wars,
Rey was able to live after Kylo Ren died.
But that would actually be
kind of interesting to see.
Maybe they lose their powers
or they gain strength
whenever they're around
their sister or something.
Who knows?
Power of one, power of two.
You know,
if it's not being like this night now,
maybe they're both... They
both seem to be equal parts
light and dark,
as far as when you look at them, really,
once you've gotten through
a few episodes.
So maybe that's part of
what's keeping them balanced, right?
And if that goes out,
then May or Osho or whoever survives,
I don't see them both being
alive after the next episode.
I think one of them will be,
but I don't think they'll both live.
Interesting.
Well, on that note,
we're going to split this
episode up a little bit.
And we're doing things a
little differently over here at Quest Me.
We've been having a lot of
fun talking about Star Wars so far.
It's been almost an hour
talking about the Acolyte.
So I figured we could take a
short little trip
To a bar far away,
where Phil tells us what
we've been drinking tonight.
All right.
So tonight's cocktail is The Power of Two.
This is... What a segue into this.
I know, right?
Right?
Oh, yeah.
No.
So the power of two is a bit
of a riff on a gimlet or a daiquiri,
more of a riff on a daiquiri.
It's rum, lime juice and syrup.
But in this case,
I went with Black Magic Rum, because one,
it's thematically just always fun.
And two,
it's kind of my standard bar
staple for dark rums.
So an ounce of Black Magic Rum,
an ounce of Deadhead Rum,
which is one that I've
utilized in a few different
tiki-inspired cocktails,
another just different
style of dark spiced rum.
An ounce of lime juice,
a half ounce of Demerara syrup,
and a half ounce of elderberry syrup.
The elderberry syrup I
actually got from one of my
coworkers at the Renaissance Fair.
So I didn't make it, but it is homemade.
But it is just...
Now we can say you smell of elderberries.
Yes, exactly.
But it is just gorgeous color.
Yeah, look at that.
Oh, my God.
I say it every week.
They're always just so freaking fancy.
It's a fun hobby.
Yeah, I love it.
But yeah,
it is kind of tart because of the
elderberry syrup and the lime.
But it's balanced really
well with the flavor
profiles of the two different rums.
It's delicious.
Please drink responsibly.
Yes, as always.
Excellent.
Thank you, Phil.
We'll have the rest of you
in the show notes.
Yep, as always.
To kick things off for the
second half here, Jesse asks,
do we think either twin
switches sides now that
they have more perspective
on what happened?
Osha feels angry.
Maybe Mae is more understanding.
That's actually a good
question that I had written
down about the two.
um I don't I actually think
osha is gonna switch sides
and more agree with may at
this point that they're
gonna kind of take over and
maybe even both of them
team up to kill soul and
that was the vibe I was
getting from the very end
of uh last week's episode
when uh when osha puts on kymere's helmet
yeah yeah there's and I'm
out of okay are we gonna
see her actually like I i
think we will see her at
least pretend to switch
sides though how much of
that is actually her
feeling that way and how
much of that is just kind
of getting revenge on
chimera for what he's done
to kind of turn her sister
uh down the path she's on
Yeah,
and I wouldn't blame either one of them.
After seeing that story and
what actually happened, I definitely,
I'm kind of like, yeah, Mae,
do what you got to do.
I mean, those guys kind of... See,
Mae knows that happened, right?
Osha still doesn't know
that's what happened.
Exactly.
And while Mae's been
learning all this truth,
or at least what we're
letting her believe is the
truth from Sol...
Osh's head's been filled up by time here,
right?
That's how you say it.
Time here, yep.
I was like, just call him a stranger.
That was easier, right?
But, God, switch sides?
I don't know.
I mean, my only question would be,
would they end up on the
same side as each other at the end?
Or did they both end up flopping?
I'm with you, Phil.
That's where I start to have
slight worries that they might cop out.
I got a little bit of vibes
of where it's like,
not to bring up anything
salt in the wound type thing, right?
Where it's like, oh my god,
Rey might actually just
join Kylo Ren and join the
dark side and how dark would that be?
And then they totally went
in the opposite direction.
I'm kind of hoping they go
somewhere with this whole
OSHA dark side potential type thing.
But
I mean,
we'll see when you start to say that,
though, then, because at first you said,
like, Sol's not going to survive.
He's the best character he has to.
We started talking about this,
and I'm like, hey, he's dead, you know,
over or under in the first
half of the episode.
Yeah, like, and I mean, I would think that,
personally,
I would just get rid of all of those Jedi,
and let's focus on a story of Chimere,
Osha, and Mei.
And, like,
have them going around the
galaxy and kind of finding
new little Sith, you know what I mean?
And then you could introduce
your Plagueis and do all that stuff.
But I do like this thing of
if Osha turns against Sol,
do the sisters join Coral
and start the Nightsisters on Dathomir?
um that is a possibility uh
just because you know the
twins were slated to run
the coven and so if they
were to you know go who
knows maybe one of them
dies and the other one ends
up bringing them back to
life and they're like holy
shit there's something to
let's let's start a
religion over it you know
there there could be some
major event that sparks
that and I would be all about it
them on the run trying to
find a planet for them to live on,
you know, and by the end of the season,
they get to be on Dathomir.
But I don't think it's going
to go in the Nightsister
route because this is about
a Sith acolyte.
It's supposed to be more
about how the Sith infiltrated, you know,
the Jedi, basically.
Because...
They did.
I mean, they got Count Dooku.
They had Sifo-Dyas.
They got their hands into a lot of stuff.
So I think this is kind of
the beginnings of that.
Beginnings of the Nightsisters.
They could do a cool spinoff
with Coral where she goes
to Dathomir and you see that.
I liked Coral.
I liked her character and I
liked the actress.
She did a really good job.
Especially this episode.
Her battle scenes with Sol
were super cool.
right after right after soul
kills mother anasea oh my
god she like turns into
that like smoke plume
that's funny that's my
starlight killer scene um
but she turns into that
smoke plume it's at the 28
minute 46 second mark and
like the jedi just kind of
freak out they have no idea
what what the fuck's going
on uh because this suddenly
turned into an episode of
lost and jj abrams wasn't even around
See, I never watched Lost,
so I have no idea.
It was interesting to see
Soul just whoop out his
lightsaber immediately and
go for the kill.
His combat instincts are top-notch.
Well, and at the beginning of the series,
and basically the whole series,
he's been all about not
pulling his weapon.
Do you think this has
something to do with that?
I would absolutely say that
this is why he is so
reluctant to draw his
lightsaber later on.
Yeah.
Yeah, same.
I just got to have somebody
else clarify that for me.
I think it's definitely a
strong possibility.
I think it's the strongest
contender we've got for why
he is relatively pacifist
at this point in his career.
right um but yeah just this
this whole 10 seconds of
the episode was really
really cool um the effects
on mother anisea were
top-notch with her like
turning into like a weird
demon and then coral like
getting into her fight
stance getting ready to
just mess things up and
then get into that little
scuffle with soul the
choreography on that was really cool um
And when the random
explosion happened is when
he finally disarms her and
gets her kind of off his back.
But that's that's one of my
qualms with this episode is
the random explosion.
Like,
I assumed that we would get an answer
for how that happened.
Like,
why there was those giant... Why
there were big explosions
in the building just from a
small fire that May had lit.
Did the fire really get that big?
I don't... Did the candles
burn hot enough to melt steel beams?
Did we go in on that route?
It...
It was very clearly more of
a kerosene lantern,
a kerosene lamp kind of thing.
I did notice some oil on the ground.
Yeah,
there was fuel that had spilled all over.
I actually love that we got
to see that portion of
things from Mae's perspective.
Yeah.
And just realize, oh, you know, yeah,
she wanted to burn her sister's book,
but she was not intending for it to...
She was very clearly caught
off guard by how quickly it burned.
Yeah.
Leading her to drop the lamp.
It just seemed fishy to me
that it was just kind of
one of those deus ex machina.
It's like, here's a big explosion.
But I mean,
back to just the May aspect of it, though,
it makes more sense in
character for what we knew
of May at the time.
It makes more sense for it
to have been an accident
than for her to suddenly just be like, no,
if I can't have you,
I'm going to kill you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
I don't know.
Just kind of proves that
Mae's kind of a little dick.
I'm not saying she's a great person,
but... But she was
influenced by Coral pretty
heavily on that.
Oh, yeah.
Like,
really got into her head and was like,
go stop your sister.
Go keep her from getting out.
So, I mean, she's, you know, what,
10 years old or something.
So, of course,
she's heavily influenced by her mom.
And she was doing whatever she could.
To me,
it just didn't seem like that was
very plausible, I guess.
It is space.
It's Star Wars.
I can't...
i can't go down that road
it's it is what it is it's
made for kids and some
things are not meant to
really be explained so and
the explosion did kind of
kick off everything else so
you know all right we'll
move on from that and get
to the really fun stuff the
fight scenes um
These were some of the
better fight scenes of our
Star Wars live action Disney Plus series,
for sure.
The fight with Chimera.
This is the second best
fight scene of the series.
Don't get that wrong,
because the Chimera fight
is by far the best fight in the series,
if not in all of Disney Plus.
But this one is a very close second.
And it was a lot of fun to
finally see the Wookiee.
We have been waiting.
Phil has been waiting very,
very patiently.
After seeing those scenes in the trailer,
we've been waiting almost
two months to see Kellogg in action.
yeah and he finally did and
it was wonderful um he's
he's taken over by the
witches and he's you know
doing his his wookie thing
and phil's starlight killer
scene comes in during this
scene with one of the
coolest shots for sure it's
at the 32 minute 36 second
mark and it is soul dodging
kel naka so go ahead phil
take take it away
this,
this whole sequence within this fight
was so, so well choreographed.
Um,
it was just watching Kalnaka fighting
so hard to protect himself, but also not,
you know,
watching soul fight so hard to
protect himself,
but not to kill Kalnaka in the process.
Um, very defensive for sure.
Incredibly defensive.
Uh,
Especially when faced with
an opponent who is not only
physically much larger and
stronger than you,
but is also at least as
skilled in force and is
able to utilize all of
those abilities against you.
I mean, if this were a video game,
this would be the boss
fight you'd be dreading.
you know yeah you're not
wrong um and I think I i
mean was he being
controlled by all of those
witches all of them were
connected to him yeah I
mean that was that was the
power of many at work and
did they all die like I i
don't that was the the vibe
I got from it was that they
were so in tune for this
that the feedback uh caused
when indara you know broke
kilnaka free uh at the very
least incapacitated all of
them whether or not they
were actually dead who
knows but they were as they were
they were not functional
they were they were not
conscious and it explains
why I mean it explains why
we see them all drop like
as a you know drop the way
they did uh because we
talked you know a few weeks
ago we talked about the
potential for them to have
been poisoned with the bunta tree
With the leaves for the Bunta tree.
And just the idea that all
of them would have reacted
within the same rough time
period across age and species,
that all of them would have
reacted the same way to the
Bunta is a little weird.
It's not how poison works.
Yeah.
And I just, it was,
I don't feel like they all
died right there.
I feel like the,
what killed them was the
castle collapsing.
Yeah, no,
I think it was more likely that
any of them who did die
outright died because of
the fire and the castle collapsing,
not because,
but they were very clearly
incapacitated by Indara
forcing them out of that control loop.
yeah it seemed like I mean
it was a kind of a brutal
neck snap I feel oh yeah oh yeah
Maybe that was something.
It was such a force.
The neck snap was so strong
that it killed them all.
That was just kind of weird to me as well.
They didn't really go into
great detail about that.
Maybe that's on purpose.
Maybe some of them survived
and they're with Coral.
It could be that the only
one who actually died that
night was Mother Anisea.
Yeah, that's very true.
I do have to say that fight
was pretty awesome.
I was a little worried it might be silly.
Like, I don't want to hate on Yoda.
I love Yoda.
You always hear that he used
to be an amazing swordsman.
But like,
one and two is swords fight
especially the one against
dooku which is kind of
silly looking I mean it
honestly kind of is like
and I thought they did a
really good job I was like
okay cool like that's like
a wookiee jedi like
fighting that's what I
would expect to see um you
know I did think it was a
little bit funny when soul
like managed to disarm him
at one point um or when he
gets disarmed at one point
just because it was like
perfect.
That's exactly what you want.
Now you're in a hand-to-hand
fight with a wolf.
That's much better.
I loved the other shot I was
considering pulling for
this was the one of Kelnaka
grabbing Torben and pulling
him up off of the ground
with the force in order to
slam him into the wall.
yeah I mean torben deserved
everything he got in this
episode but like he did get
pretty beat up yeah I did
like his uh great shot by
the way great pick for that
shot thank you um I did
like his scene with uh when
they showed mother and say
you're getting into his
head and like what and
seeing what he saw yeah
yeah no that was like spectacular
And she really played on his like,
I want to go home thing.
And I mean, they got to go home.
It was not the way they went
back to Coruscant.
Wasn't the way they really
intended on going back to Coruscant,
but he did get to go back home.
I think he was like really upset once,
you know,
they sent him off and then they
didn't go back home the first time,
you know, he was like, God,
damn it she promised me that
we'd go back home I just
want to stop eating these
porgs or whatever um so
yeah the the fight though I
mean all all the way
through like even with the
bow and arrows with torben
deflecting all those things
that's a night sister thing
too you know having the the
bow and arrow oh yeah it's
very very close
And Torben's combat skills
were not anything to sneeze at.
I mean, he was good.
Yeah.
Especially for, you know, a Padawan.
Yeah,
I like when he tie-boated up when he
went double time.
Right?
And started spinning the
blade way faster to block all the arrows.
Like, that was a really cool scene.
And just all around,
even when Indara shows up and, you know,
saves the day, basically.
And...
I know you were hating on
Carrie Ann Moss a little bit earlier,
but she was pretty good in this episode.
It's not just emote.
I just want to see her
really have an argument with somebody.
She can raise a voice.
If you watch every movie she's been in,
whether she's telling
someone she's in love with them,
whether she's telling
someone she's worried or
they need to panic,
it is the same monotone delivery.
I'll give her a little bit
of a pass for two reasons in this.
One,
she's playing a Jedi who's kind of
supposed to be that way.
And two is they got the same
exact type of performance
out of Liam Neeson when
they asked him to play.
So I just, I'm not a fan of her.
So I was really happy to see
that she's kind of
relegated to like a supporting character.
I think another reason for that too,
and I could just wait,
I touched with like who's
hot and in popular stuff
that is and everything,
but like the rest of the
cast is not really anybody
where I'm pointing at them and be like,
Oh, it's the guy from that.
They're like, Oh yeah,
I've seen her in this.
Like it's, I mean,
you would get lost in your character.
Yeah.
So, you know, that being said,
he did do pretty good in
this episode compared to, um, you know,
Again,
when they very initially first sort
of showed her in the show,
when she had those first
few dialogues before getting killed,
I was like, oh, God, no.
But...
Yeah,
I feel like I'm the only person that
got hooked by being like, whoop,
she's dead.
That's why.
I've never heard of anyone
hating on Carrie Ann Moss.
But I see it.
I see where you're coming
from now that you bring
those things to light.
It makes sense.
But I loved her interaction
with Sol in the very end of
this episode when she grabs him.
I think that was her
strongest acting in the season for sure.
And you can tell she's like,
I should punch you so many
times in the face right now.
But I'm just going to tell
you that I'm going to cover your ass.
Yeah, when she told me,
that's not for her.
Basically, at this point,
you've created such a mess.
Now you have to drink it.
I really did like all of
their performances in this.
Torben being a whiny little
girl the whole time about
wanting to go home was great.
Kel Naka,
I mean... What do you think
Torben's feelings are on sand?
I bet he thinks it's coarse
and gets everywhere.
It is irritating.
Yeah.
um yeah and kelnaka was
great uh he yonas uh yonas
what's what's suetama yeah
thank you yeah he played
chewy in the later episodes
he's played chewy for a
while now so he always does
a good job um and yeah I
loved I love the wookiee
roar when he's charging
during these fights and
like jumping and getting
all crazy so wookiee with a
lightsaber man it's horrifying
Yeah, very, very fun, fun battle scene,
though,
and a good way to wrap up that
initial story from episode three.
We did get a lot of
questions answered on this.
There were a couple.
new questions though I feel
like I mean last week I
kind of went back to last
week's note notes and we
the biggest question I had
was what the hell happened
on brendock so we got that
answer that was the biggest
one the other question was
who's chimer and where does
he come from that will
hopefully come in the next
episode at least maybe give
us a little bit of insight
um but now we have you know
where's coral where did she
end up going because she just disappeared
And even Leslie Hedlund in
that interview said, no body, no death.
So she's clearly still alive somewhere.
What did they actually tell the council?
This is where I get into the
Indara's secretive side,
because what did they
really tell the council?
And are we actually going to see that?
And then the third question
that that brings up,
and this goes back to right
before they go attack the castle.
And Indara's like, go out to camp.
I'm going to talk to the council,
and we'll see what we're going to do.
Did she actually talk to the
council right there?
Did she actually call them
and get in touch?
Or did she just tell Sol, you know,
we're not going to mess with these girls.
We're not going to take them.
We're just going to sweep
this under the rug and
leave these people alone.
Because to me, with her later cover up,
it seems like it's a lot
easier to cover something
up that wasn't mentioned before.
Do you think, like,
I think she might be a
little bit more secretive
than she kind of leads on.
I think what they tell the
council is going to be a
lot closer to what we saw
in episode three, right?
In terms of that sort of
distorted version of events.
And part of why Osha
remembers it the way that she does.
If that's the version she
was hearing the whole time
that she was training under Sol.
yeah that's fair it just
seemed I don't know it
seemed fishy her just kind
of digging into her a
little bit and it kind of
makes me think maybe she's
still alive at the same
time because if she's
really good at keeping
secrets and doing that kind
of thing what's who's to
say she's not still alive
yeah all right you're right
you're probably the only
one you asked where where's
chimera come from who is he right did i
Did I just read this as a fan theory?
Did I invent this myself?
Or imagine a scene in there?
Haven't we gotten some
indication that he was a
Padawan at some point?
Some indications, some hints,
but no official confirmation.
I think the biggest theory
right now is that he was
Venestra Rose's apprentice
a long time ago.
The green lady with the whip.
I think that's the going theory right now.
Which is, it's funny you bring that up.
So, Nate actually, his one-chimer,
I allowed this to happen
because he's never been on
Quest Me before.
And I always like to ask
people how they've liked
the entire episode.
And we went through that earlier.
But...
um nate's one timer is
actually chimer from last
week and so it I was like
it has to be really good if
you know if we're pulling
from another episode
another episode and I was
like this is great so let's
play this one really quick
and then we'll talk about
it if you keep me here soul
comes to you he's found me
before and his strength in
the force is very powerful
do you think that his strength
That's your strength in the Force, Osha.
Yeah, right.
And I think he goes on to
say they probably should
have told you that or
someone should have told you that.
Like,
the fact that he was able to find her
was not because Sol was so
powerful with the Force and
all those things.
It's because he is so
powerful with the Force.
That's actually how they
stumbled across her in the first place.
And like that, to me...
When I say, like,
maybe she flips sides and
that type of thing,
I kind of hope that she does.
Like,
that in combination now with what her
sister knows about what
really happened that night,
it just undercuts, like,
so much of what she's
probably built her life and
her beef around his soul, this, like,
savior who's so powerful, this and that.
It's like, no, no, no,
you're the powerful one.
Like,
he found you because you were
flashing like a lighthouse.
And just like that also,
I think maybe that's where
if it wasn't ever expressed these days,
like in that scene,
I very much got that feeling of like,
he sounds like a jaded Padawan,
like a former, a jaded former Padawan.
Yeah.
I'm really glad that you
bring that up because God, you know,
I just this has been a great episode.
But because one of my last
questions of this was,
was sold that bad of a
master that OSHA failed?
And I think it kind of
correlates with Sol being
so gung-ho to get a Padawan
and doing it a little bit
early and kind of failing
Osha more than she failed
out of the Jedi Academy.
And I bet a lot of that is
because she is so powerful
and he didn't really know
how to handle that.
so yeah I i like that I like
that line a lot especially
for you know this episode
because it does kind of
prove that they were there
for the twins and for that
virgins the virgins was
basically them and so you
know if they weren't as
powerful in the force I
mean you even saw may
defend herself against
coral like coral started
swinging on her and she like
blocked her her blows and
kind of pushed her back and
that's when coral was like
yeah go get your sister
you're a badass you know
you can do this so they
were powerful in the force
like from the get-go and I
think you're right that um
that chimera is kind of
getting into osha's head
there and and I don't even
know if he's lying to her
by saying that is the thing
right no he's not I love this so much
And it also felt like in that moment,
if she heard it,
that she probably felt a
tinge of her ability to
relate to what maybe she
must have learned from him
and heard from him and how
maybe he's not just this
evil person who corrupted her sister.
Maybe he has some truth.
And I don't think he is lying.
I think that, like I said,
he's just getting into her
head and bringing more
stuff to light that she's
thinking about that she
never thought about before.
Or at least from different perspectives.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
To wrap that up, Jesse asks,
do you think soul lives
through the next episode?
No, I do not.
I think that all four of
those Jedi are going to end
up being gone by this.
And I think we're going to
have more of a Vernestra
row story moving forward.
And we also got to make room
for Yoda moving forward if
they have another season
because they got to bring Yoda in.
Right.
Come on.
Come on.
He's alive.
He's there.
Let's do it.
um and talk about kalnaka
did we not talk about
kalnaka I thought we did
that was that yeah that was
like a 15 minute old post
before oh okay okay my bad
yeah god I'm sorry nah nah
that was that was jesse's
talking asking us to talk
about kalnaka when we were
talking about oh okay oh okay
um so yeah like I said there
was that one question was
sold that bad of a master
and then finally we still
don't know how may survived
or where chimera came from
I'm pretty sure we're going
to get those answers here
in the next episode at
least partial answers so um
I believe that's all that I
have for my notes did you
guys have anything else
that you wanted to cover
before we get into the ratings
We talked pretty good, man.
I'm glad we've been able to come on.
Like I said, if I had to follow an episode,
I'm glad it's one not like episode three,
where I said as much as I liked it,
I don't know what they're doing.
It was a lot of questions
after episode three, that's for sure.
Yeah, no,
I think we've pretty solidly
covered stuff so far.
Cool.
Well, then let's do this.
Let's get on to the last segment.
It's the Tusken Raider,
the part of the show where
we rate each episode.
Excuse me.
So let's see.
We're going to rate this
episode out of 10.
What?
What should we do?
10?
Kel-Nok?
No.
10 Wookies?
No.
I don't know.
10 Ghosts.
10 Force Witches.
I don't know.
10 Porgs.
Let's rate it out of 10 Porgs.
Whatever.
1 out of 10.
Nate, if you had to rate this episode,
what would you rate this
episode out of 10?
probably give it a good
solid seven I think if it
hadn't been for the fact
that it followed what I
think was the strongest
episode in the entire
season by far I thought it
was really good it was
definitely in the better
half of you know what we
had seven episodes so far
I'd put it in the top three
it's just that was episode
six was a tough one to
follow I thought that was
pretty much perfect so yeah good seven
All right.
Phil, what about you?
I got to agree.
It was a very last week's
episode was a very,
very tough episode to follow.
That said, for the Rashomon aspect,
for the combat sequences,
for the for the answers and
for those new questions,
I'm going to give it an eight.
All right.
That's fair.
I started this episode, like I said,
I was so in and out of
sleep during the first watch.
And what I saw during the first watch,
it was very,
so I started it with a five
because I always do my initial rating.
And I started with a five.
Then as I started kind of
like thinking about it,
I brought it up to a six
and then I watched it again
and I brought it up to a full on 7.5.
So,
and I think for all those same reasons
that you guys talked about,
the one thing that keeps it
from being an eight or
higher is that damn song at the end.
I still don't think it needs to be there.
And just, you know,
the random explosions and stuff.
It's just, I don't know.
I would have liked to see a
little bit more of like, I don't know.
Those are my dumb little qualms.
But other than that,
I did really like this episode,
and I'm extremely excited for the finale.
I'm not as excited for Quest
Me to kind of go away for a little while,
but I believe the next
thing we're talking about
is probably going to be Skeleton Crew.
We might have a few little
episodes sprinkled in here and there,
some book club episodes, but...
yeah this is uh next week we
have what aaron aaron's
gonna be on she's it's
gonna be a tough one for
her that's a that's a big
episode for her so I'm sure
she's gonna bring the heat
though it'll be good she's
excited to come back yeah
um so nate why don't you uh
go ahead and tell the the
listeners where they can
find your podcast and kind
of what you guys do yeah so
uh rocky mountain sports
room or you might see abbreviated rms
You can find us under that on YouTube.
You can also find us there
on TikTok as well.
It's a quiet time of year as
far as YouTube longer
format content goes right now,
but currently trash talking
all 32 teams in the NFL in
the run-up to the playoffs.
the nflc I'm not saying
we're getting any death
threats but I've been
getting a lot of insults
about my looks so it's a
wonderful series it's a
wonderful series like each
they go through each team
and it's like the miami
dolphins are trash why
here's why yeah we had to
record a few times because
he was like you're
screaming why don't you
turn your mic off and do it
again right but uh so we
talk local sports we uh you know
Definitely going to be
breaking down every single
Nuggets game this season.
Going to be talking a lot
about things as far as how
that team moves forward.
You know, as I said before,
I'm a huge Nuggets fan,
so we've talked a lot about
Nuggets on there.
As I said,
it's kind of the low part of the
season right now,
so if you're looking for us,
I would look on TikTok.
You can find us on Facebook
under Rocky Mountain Sportsroom as well,
which links to all that same content.
But as we get into the season,
we'll have a more longer format
you know podcasts kind of
breaking down the games and
what went well and you know
trying to make sense of why
we're 5-12 I do not have
high hopes for these Broncos
No, no, me either.
I'm right with you.
I still love my team, of course,
but I'm right with you.
Of course,
all those links are in the show
notes and I will try and
link some fun little TikTok
videos in those show notes
as well because those
little trash videos are a good time.
I really had fun coming on
the show and talking
basketball and sports with you guys.
I'm a big fan of sports.
Anytime you want me back,
just give me a call.
I'll be there.
Vice versa.
um thank you again for
coming thanks phil for
being here it's always
great to talk star wars
with uh with um we're gonna
try and do a little bit of
a sign off here and then
I'll play the closing video
so basically what we do
nate is is I point at your
screen and you go I'm nate
and then that's it I think
I know right yes correct so
for quest me I have been your host
I'm Nate.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
So for a quest me, I have been your host.
I'm Nate.
I'm Phil.
And the second take is
always the best take.
Of course, my name is Josh.
Thank you all for checking
out Quest Me this week.
Thanks,
Jesse and everyone that was in the chat.
It's always fun to hang out with you guys.
As always, we will be back next week.
May the force be with you.
Thank you.