Pretty in Pink

Katie and guest Kyle Peterson head back to 1986 to revisit John Hughes’ classic teen romance **Pretty in Pink**. They spin the time capsule wheel for 1986 pop culture trivia (Nancy Drew, Ramona Quimby, Light Bright, mullets, The Cosby Show, Family Ties, Dallas, Murder She Wrote, and 60 Minutes), then dive deep into the film.

They discuss Molly Ringwald’s Andy, the unforgettable Ducky (John Cryer), Blaine (Andrew McCarthy), the class divide, that controversial ending, Iona’s wild style, and whether Andy should have ended up with Ducky or Blaine. Plus comparisons to *Some Kind of Wonderful*, 80s fashion, and why the movie still sparks debate decades later.

0:00 – Intro & Guest Kyle Peterson  
2:00 – 1986 Time Capsule Trivia Begins  
4:02 – Books & Magazines (Nancy Drew, Ramona Quimby)  
6:02 – Fads & Flashbacks (Light Bright, Mullets)  
10:02 – Prime Time Rewind (Cosby Show, Family Ties, Dallas, Murder She Wrote, 60 Minutes)  
22:09 – Pretty in Pink Movie Discussion Starts  
31:02 – Plot, Characters & Class Divide  
37:40 – Ducky, Blaine & the Friend-Zone Debate  
44:47 – Iona & 80s Style Highlights  
55:57 – Steph, Prom & Ending Controversy  
1:26:26 – Final Thoughts & Some Kind of Wonderful Comparison  

Creators and Guests

Host

Katie Geilenkirchen

Guest

Kyle Pederson

What is The Director's Chair Network?

Join Ryan and many featured guests and other hosts as they break down and review a variety of directors and their films!
So far, this podcast has featured films from Edward Zwick, John Hughes, Brian De Palma, and Michael Mann.
Soon, we will feature Edgar Wright, Sam Peckinpah, Paul Verhoeven, and David Fincher!

1:411 minute, 41 secondsKatie (2): Hello. Hello, I'm Katie and welcome back to Retro Made. Today we're gonna head back to 1986 and revisit Pretty in Pink.
1:491 minute, 49 secondsThis is John Hughes class Conscious Teen Romance that gave us unforgettable fashion, so many blazers.
1:561 minute, 56 secondsAn iconic soundtrack and one of the most debated love triangles of the decade.
2:002 minutesSo much so that he made another movie the next year to make it right, depending on if you're Team Blaine or Team Ducky.
2:072 minutes, 7 secondsJoining me today is Kyle Peterson.
2:102 minutes, 10 secondsWe were going to have his teenage daughter as a special guest to give us a perspective of how high school works nowadays.
2:162 minutes, 16 secondsBut she did watch the movie and I think she has notes for us. Kyle, welcome back to Retro Made for our John Hughes season.
2:242 minutes, 24 secondsI think this is the second movie you've joined me on, Kyle: That's right. Yes. I was here for Beethoven I think last year sometime. Katie (2): seems like forever ago. Yeah.
2:332 minutes, 33 secondskyle (2): It does seem like a while ago, but I guess I must have done okay Katie (2): Of course. And you're one of my regular podcast buddies over on one more round,
2:432 minutes, 43 secondsthe Rocky Series podcast, right? Kyle: yeah, that's where I'm in more in my element here. Katie (2): Mm-hmm.
2:482 minutes, 48 secondsKyle: a little bit, this is foreign to me, but it's good to have some, some practice to talk about something that isn't rocky related. Katie (2): It's very different from Rocky.
2:582 minutes, 58 secondsDefinitely. Yes. But in the eighties.
3:003 minutesSo, if you are new to the show, welcome.
3:033 minutes, 3 secondsWe're covering John Hughes movies this season in order to set the stage for that movie discussion. What we do here is some pop culture trivia from the year, that movie was released.
3:143 minutes, 14 secondsSo let's spin the retro made wheel for the time capsule from 1986. Kyle: Ooh, I love me some trivia.
3:223 minutes, 22 secondsLet's do this. Katie (2): Now we did already cover 1986 in the Ferris Bueller's Day off episode.
3:293 minutes, 29 secondsSo if we come to a category where we've already covered, we'll just spin again. Okay. kyle (2): Okay.
3:333 minutes, 33 secondsI'm a little worried because I was only two when this in 1986, so I wasn't up with the pop culture, but you know, hopefully I can get a few, right.
3:443 minutes, 44 secondsKatie (2): I mean, I'm five here, but I think also I'm the youngest child, so that helps me know things earlier than my time.
3:533 minutes, 53 secondsBut we shall see. We shall see. I'm gonna spin on your behalf, Kyle, see what category we come to.
4:024 minutes, 2 secondsOkay. Oh, we have pages of the past and I don't think we covered that already. It's books and magazines.
4:104 minutes, 10 secondsOkay. You might know this one. A huge hit in the 1980s, this popular book series featured a young girl named Nancy,
4:194 minutes, 19 secondswho solved mysteries with her best friends. kyle (2): Yes. My, my sister read a lot of these. Nancy Drew, of course. Yeah.
4:274 minutes, 27 secondsKatie (2): You know it's funny, I am very aware of these. I never read those, kyle (2): Yeah. There was Nancy Drew and then there was like a male equivalent to something boys.
4:364 minutes, 36 secondsI Katie (2): The Hardy Boys. kyle (2): Boys. That's right. Katie (2): I think that was, Yeah. I've heard of that. I wonder if that was older, kyle (2): I feel like they were, I, as a kid, they were like, hand in hand.
4:454 minutes, 45 secondsI think my sister may have read both, but I think she was more of a reader than I was. Katie (2): Oh, okay. kyle (2): she really liked Nancy Drew though.
4:534 minutes, 53 secondsI totally remember that. Katie (2): Very good. See, you knew one. Ooh. In a similar vein, I loved , this book series.
5:025 minutes, 2 secondsThis book series written by Beverly Cleary continued to capture the hearts of readers with the adventures of a certain girl and her sibling bees in the 1980s.
5:145 minutes, 14 secondsWhat was the name of this girl in the book series? kyle (2): God, that, that sounds so familiar. But I just, I don't know. I, I know.
5:225 minutes, 22 secondsAs soon as you say it, I'm be like, oh, yeah. Katie (2): Are you familiar with the Beverly Clery books though?
5:275 minutes, 27 secondsDo you know what I'm referring to? kyle (2): no, But the Beas thing, I was like that. That really rings a bell. Katie (2): I'm curious if your sister read these too.
5:365 minutes, 36 seconds'cause it was kind of the same, you know, not, not a mystery series, but in the same timeframe.
5:425 minutes, 42 secondsThe answer is Ramona kyle (2): Oh, Katie (2): the girls. Yeah, So it's Ramona Quimbee and her sibling bees in the NA 1980s.
5:545 minutes, 54 secondsAll right, let's spin you a new category. Let's see here. Fad.
6:026 minutes, 2 secondsFlashback, okay. This is fair game.
6:056 minutes, 5 secondsIn 1986, this electronic toy sensation captured the attention of children everywhere.
6:116 minutes, 11 secondsIt involved placing colored pegs into a board to create patterns, and was marketed as a way to stimulate creativity.
6:186 minutes, 18 secondsWhat is it? kyle (2): it is.
6:206 minutes, 20 secondsWould it be the light bright, I Katie (2): It is the light. Bright, kyle (2): We had a light bright. Again, my sister had a light bright, but I also liked it too.
6:286 minutes, 28 secondsKatie (2): Super fun. And you know what, I actually bought one like several years ago. For nostalgic purposes. I don't know. I think my niece used it once. But it's like much smaller.
6:366 minutes, 36 secondsA more compact kyle (2): Yeah. We are now in the phase of millennial nostalgia. Like millennials are now in the nostalgia age.
6:456 minutes, 45 secondsLike in your thirties and forties you start, you, you actually have some memories in the bank. You easily remember things from 20, 30 years ago now.
6:546 minutes, 54 secondsSo then you start getting nostalgic about stuff where Katie (2): Great kyle (2): it's hard to get nostalgic in your twenties 'cause it's like everything was so recent, right. Katie (2): Good. That's a really good point.
7:027 minutes, 2 secondsYou gotta be old before you can get nostalgic. Okay. Let's see here. Hmm. Okay.
7:117 minutes, 11 secondsThis specific hairdo reached massive popularity in 1986 where the style was voluminous with a tease top and wild appearance often associated with rock stars.
7:247 minutes, 24 secondsWhat was this iconic hairstyle called?
7:267 minutes, 26 secondsIt was typically for men kyle (2): I Katie (2): party in the front. kyle (2): Oh, on the mullet. The mullet, I'm sorry. Yes.
7:347 minutes, 34 secondsKatie (2): Yeah. kyle (2): That, that was like, that made its way into the early nineties, I feel. I feel like we were still dealing with the mullet at that time.
7:437 minutes, 43 secondsUh, yeah. Well, God, I, that is one thing. I hope Neva comes back.
7:487 minutes, 48 secondsKatie (2): it did come back It has, I've seen it's everything is like in a 30, 35 year cycle it seems.
7:547 minutes, 54 secondskyle (2): was there a mullet back in like the, the, because if you,
7:587 minutes, 58 secondsif you go 30 years back from the eighties was the mullets ever popular prior to the eighties? I don't know.
8:038 minutes, 3 secondsOr is that like the birth of the mullet and then now it's gonna be this thing that haunts us every few decades?
8:108 minutes, 10 secondsKatie (2): I think that was the birth of the mullet, because prior to that long hair on men was, it was like hippie type hair.
8:188 minutes, 18 secondsIt wasn't like, like everyone had short shortcuts. kyle (2): I think you say yes and no.
8:238 minutes, 23 secondsLike in the fifties and st like 20th century, yet 19th century men, like you could have longer hair as a men.
8:308 minutes, 30 secondsLike you see pictures of men. I think it's because necessity. I think it was harder to get haircut back then. Katie (2): Good. That's a good point.
8:378 minutes, 37 secondsLike it was scraggly and kyle (2): Like you see pictures of you know, like Civil War generals or people like that. They had much longer hair.
8:458 minutes, 45 secondsNot like your hair, but Katie (2): Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
8:478 minutes, 47 secondsI know what you mean. kyle (2): like down here or something. But yeah, like definitely like the fifties was super clean cut or even the, like the sixties prior to the hippie era.
8:588 minutes, 58 secondsAnd even then it's like, I feel like just a little bit of a side, but I feel like the sixties will be characterized by hippie stuff.
9:059 minutes, 5 secondsBut there were still a lot of clean cut people back Katie (2): Mm-hmm. kyle (2): you know? So,
9:109 minutes, 10 secondsKatie (2): Yeah, it was, I think it like kind of overtook, like the hippie movement seems like such a big part of culture, but I would imagine if you just asked the average person,
9:199 minutes, 19 secondsyou know, in Wisconsin, you know, were you like, you know what I mean? They probably weren't partaking in that. kyle (2): Yeah.
9:269 minutes, 26 secondsLike a lot of people criticize the boomers for being so conservative and they say, Hey, look like you, you are the hippie generation and now you're conservative like this.
9:349 minutes, 34 secondsBut I think in actuality, a lot of them have been conservative the whole Katie (2): Right, right.
9:399 minutes, 39 secondskyle (2): But, but I'd say though, the seventies, I would say law people did give way to longer hair. Like hair covering your ears was like. Mandatory if you were a younger person.
9:489 minutes, 48 secondsKatie (2): All Sylvester Sloan in the seventies kyle (2): Yeah. Katie (2): to bring it back. Alright, let's do another category and then we'll get into the movie.
9:569 minutes, 56 secondsYou're doing very well considering that you were so young. Prime time, rewind. This is TV shows. kyle (2): All right.
10:0210 minutes, 2 secondsI think I could do okay Katie (2): Yeah, is pretty easy. I mean, I think you'll definitely get some of them. Okay. Number one, show any guesses before I give you clues.
10:1310 minutes, 13 seconds1986. kyle (2): Oh shit. 1986, the number one show. I don't know what would be number one in 86.
10:2110 minutes, 21 secondsKatie (2): I'll give you clues. I just wanted to see.
10:2310 minutes, 23 secondsSometimes people are like, oh, kyle (2): hard.
10:2510 minutes, 25 secondsIt's, I can't because I, I see a lot of these shows through reruns in the nineties, but you know, I wouldn't have known if they were number one or not.
10:3410 minutes, 34 secondsKatie (2): I only do because I do the show. kyle (2): Yeah,
10:3610 minutes, 36 secondsKatie (2): So the, the number one is an affluent man with a fondness for patterned knitwear, dispensed life lessons with humor while his household remained remarkably educated.
10:4610 minutes, 46 secondsWhat was the show? kyle (2): I feel like I should know this. Katie (2): I'm purposely being a little cryptic because otherwise they're so easy.
10:5510 minutes, 55 secondskyle (2): Could you say it again? Katie (2): An affluent man with a fondness for patterned knitwear,
11:0111 minutes, 1 secondthe sweaters, he had a, he had a certain sweater, swag dispensed life lessons with humor while his household remained remarkably educated.
11:1111 minutes, 11 secondskyle (2): God, I don't know. I feel like I'm gonna kick myself over this. Katie (2): The Cosby Show, kyle (2): God fuck.
11:1711 minutes, 17 secondsI was, I was thinking the Cosby Show and I, for some reason I didn't, I wasn't confident in that. Damnit, I should have gone with my gut. Katie (2): You should have.
11:2611 minutes, 26 secondsBut yeah, man, I, kyle (2): educated mean? 'cause they're black. Katie, is that what that means? Because they're, Katie (2): they they, the show really revolved a lot around Hillman and like,
11:3711 minutes, 37 secondsthen there was the spinoff that that Denise went to d what was it called? Another, oh my god, A different world.
11:4411 minutes, 44 secondsBut like the, like the whole family went to these prestigious, historically black schools.
11:4911 minutes, 49 secondsI mean, Hillman was I think that was fictitious, but it was meant to be like it anyway, you know, they're all doctors and lawyers, very kyle (2): Yes.
11:5611 minutes, 56 secondsYeah, they were like upper crust for sure.
12:0012 minutesKatie (2): Speaking of hippies, a former flower child, and her husband never expected their offspring to idolize briefcases business deals and or Reaganomics.
12:1012 minutes, 10 secondsWhat sitcom documented their struggles? kyle (2): Oh my God. Katie (2): It's very early eighties. It lasted a long time, but I think it started pretty early in the eighties.
12:2312 minutes, 23 secondsMichael J. kyle (2): Oh, family ties. Katie (2): Alex p Keaton. Yeah. kyle (2): I never watched family ties to be, to be honest.
12:3112 minutes, 31 secondsI just know he was on that show.
12:3312 minutes, 33 secondsKatie (2): You've not seen any episodes of kyle (2): I, I think that, not really. No.
12:3712 minutes, 37 secondsI think I probably have you know, channel surfing come Katie (2): Mm-hmm. kyle (2): it, but I never got into that show.
12:4312 minutes, 43 secondsKatie (2): You know, I think I am aware of it and have seen a lot of it, but I say never, like it wasn't one of my re watchable for some reason.
12:5212 minutes, 52 secondsAgain, I think maybe because it started so early and I was kind of more into the late, late eighties when I got more TV viewership preferences.
13:0013 minuteskyle (2): It is funny, I was talking to someone at work the other day while like older shows and I feel like there were shows as a kid I wanted to like, but couldn't,
13:0913 minutes, 9 secondsI remember seeing like the beginning of Mash and I'm like, these show, these helicopters and stuff. I'm like, oh, this looks cool. And then I was like, what the hell is this show?
13:1813 minutes, 18 secondsWhy is this guy in a dress? What is happening?
13:2113 minutes, 21 secondsI think I love that show now, but Katie (2): similar. That always came because it was adult oriented.
13:2613 minutes, 26 secondsI feel like a lot of like dads are, like, our friends' dads would watch that show and whenever it came on the theme song makes me like homesick.
13:3513 minutes, 35 secondsFor some reason.
13:3513 minutes, 35 secondsA few theme songs kyle (2): I liked it that that intro was awesome Katie (2): Yeah.
13:4013 minutes, 40 secondskyle (2): Like it made me wanna watch that show and then I was like, once the actual show came on, it was a different story.
13:4513 minutes, 45 secondsKatie (2): I've never seen an episode, so I think I should dive into it one of these days and, and binge mash.
13:5113 minutes, 51 secondskyle (2): Mash is a good example of it's of modern times kind of obscuring the historical aspect.
13:5713 minutes, 57 seconds'cause mash is supposed to be 1950s Korean or, but like the hairstyles and stuff were all like seventies.
14:0514 minutes, 5 secondsLike you have these like army people from the fifties with like hair covering their ears and like longer hair. It's, yeah. Katie (2): in the fifties?
14:1214 minutes, 12 secondskyle (2): Korean War, so it'd be like 50 to 53. Katie (2): Oh my God.
14:1614 minutes, 16 secondsI don't know why I didn't realize kyle (2): I think, well someone at work thought it was Vietnam war. 'cause like Vietnam War and like the Huey Helicopter kind of synonymous.
14:2414 minutes, 24 secondsI don't think the helicopter in Mash was a Huey, but still you don't think of helicopters much with Korea, but you think of helicopters with Vietnam like their, you know, staple.
14:3414 minutes, 34 secondsBut yeah, it was supposed to be the fifties and no one looked like it. They looked like it was the seventies.
14:3914 minutes, 39 secondsKatie (2): Because it started in the seventies Pro, right? Yeah. Okay. kyle (2): So it's like, yeah, seventies and eighties.
14:4514 minutes, 45 secondsSo I get why you don't wanna make it look like the fifties, but it is kind of odd to watch it. Katie (2): I didn't even know that. Thanks for the information, Kyle.
14:5414 minutes, 54 secondskyle (2): I gotta ruin my keep somehow. Katie (2): This one. I gotta keep you around. This one I'll just give you a hint at the front.
15:0115 minutes, 1 secondIt is a nighttime, a primetime soap. Right? One of those, that was very present in the,
15:0715 minutes, 7 secondsespecially the early native sore greed, deception, and sibling rivalries ran as deep as the oil wells that fueled this southern empire named the nighttime soap that thrived on backstabbing and betrayals.
15:2115 minutes, 21 secondsI've never seen it, but it's big. It's, kyle (2): I dunno, I'm not a soap guy. I could name like Days of our Lives or.
15:2915 minutes, 29 secondsKatie (2): that's a daytime soap.
15:3115 minutes, 31 secondsThat's a daytime kyle (2): but I don't know, like nighttime soaps. Katie (2): You'll, I think you'll know it. Dallas, kyle (2): Oh,
15:4015 minutes, 40 secondsKatie (2): of this at kyle (2): I have heard of Dallas, but I've never watched Dallas before. I, Katie (2): Me neither.
15:4515 minutes, 45 secondskyle (2): you know, actually Dallas came to mind when you were saying number one show, because I remember seeing like this, sometimes I've watched these
15:5215 minutes, 52 secondsvideos and it'll be like these, this bar chart that's like changes over time and things are constantly moving and it'll be like number one shows at the time.
16:0016 minutesIt'll be like from the seventies till now and you'll see shows kind of come and Katie (2): Mm-hmm.
16:0416 minutes, 4 secondskyle (2): And I remember seeing Dallas was kind of up there, I don't know if it was number one, but it was like it was in the running Katie (2): Yes. kyle (2): Say the top five or 10 or whatever and, but I was like,
16:1416 minutes, 14 secondsI don't know what Dallas is. If you asked me what Dallas is, I'd be like, Hmm.
16:1816 minutes, 18 secondsone of those seventies shows, or 80 shows, I Katie (2): It was a huge thing probably for our parents' age like it was in newspapers.
16:2616 minutes, 26 secondsYou know, when, back in the day when they could do cliffhangers and you'd have to literally wait a week to see the next episode, and it was like, who shot Jr. That was a big thing in kyle (2): Yes.
16:3516 minutes, 35 secondsI, I know of that phrase, like, I've heard people talk about that.
16:3716 minutes, 37 secondsI was talking to my wife yesterday actually, about how actually I was talking to a coworker about this. I was talking to my wife, how I was talking to a coworker where it was like,
16:4616 minutes, 46 secondsit was the same mash conversation, but we were talking about how streaming is kinda ruined this, where it's like with TV it was like you kind of just had to watch the shows when they were on, and then you had to wait till next week.
16:5916 minutes, 59 secondsSo you kind of had something to look forward Katie (2): Mm-hmm. kyle (2): Like we were talking about how like Thursday was a good TV night. Katie (2): Totally.
17:0517 minutes, 5 secondskyle (2): night was like solid T like you look, Thursday was almost as good as a Friday. Like it was like really solid. The week was almost done.
17:1217 minutes, 12 secondsYou had solid shows on, you had something to look forward to. You could be like a cliffhanger to look forward to.
17:1817 minutes, 18 secondsAnd you get this like weird instant gratification of streaming where you can just binge watch the shit outta something and then it's over and it's not as good that way.
17:2817 minutes, 28 secondsKatie (2): Yeah, it's like anticlimactic. Yeah, I agree. But it's weird because some shows are starting to do that on streaming,
17:3517 minutes, 35 secondsthey're starting to make you wait until like next week before you can see the next episode. Like they've already recorded it.
17:4117 minutes, 41 secondsSo it's a little bit different, but so they're kind of coming back around to that in order to make you keep your subscription kyle (2): yes. They seem to come out in chunks.
17:4917 minutes, 49 secondsStranger Things did that recently where it was like, I think three chunks.
17:5417 minutes, 54 secondsIt was like early December, Christmas Eve, and then the last episode was New Year's Eve, Katie (2): Okay. kyle (2): and I think L is Blind kinda comes out and four or five episodes.
18:0418 minutes, 4 secondsThat's like my guilty pleasure trashy reality show with my wife. Katie (2): so funny.
18:0918 minutes, 9 secondsA lot of my friends watch that and I, it, the premise sounds wild, but kyle (2): Last series was in Denver too, so I Katie (2): Was it? Oh my God.
18:1718 minutes, 17 secondsOkay. I, I should watch it at some point.
18:1918 minutes, 19 secondsI feel like I used to watch Trash TV when it was like Jenny Jones and Ricky Lake and Maury Povich, like after school. Those that, that I was all in on that, but now I don't know.
18:2918 minutes, 29 secondsThere's something that I'm like, I don't partake in any of the house vibes or, or any of those, like love island, those.
18:3518 minutes, 35 secondskyle (2): I don't have much patience for Housewives because I find them so unrelatable, like their concerns and their fights and stuff is I just, it,
18:4418 minutes, 44 secondsit sickens me, but with Love is Blind. It's like weird.
18:4818 minutes, 48 seconds'cause you're trying to make these commitments to potentially get married to someone you really hardly know.
18:5318 minutes, 53 secondsThen you have these people, they start living together and there's like this conflict and friction and they fight and it is a little relatable, the fights they have.
19:0019 minutesAnd so if you watch Leva is Blind with a partner, you could kind of like do color commentary on the fights. Oh man, he shouldn't have said that.
19:0819 minutes, 8 secondsOr oh, I see where they're coming from, or I don't see where they're coming from. Or that's what I find interesting about that show. Katie (2): I can totally see that.
19:1619 minutes, 16 secondsI might have to give it a shot and I'll let you know. But back to 86 though, this one, I don't know if you'll know it or not,
19:2319 minutes, 23 secondsA quiet town, a sharp mind, and an ever-growing list of suspicious deaths. Who knew being a novelist could be so dangerous?
19:3219 minutes, 32 secondskyle (2): Go, God, no idea. I'm really shitting the bed on the TV stuff here. Katie (2): No, no, no, no. You're not. My mom loved the show.
19:3919 minutes, 39 secondsI feel like a lot of moms liked it.
19:4119 minutes, 41 secondsAngela Lansbury, has that given you any kyle (2): Oh, I know that name, but I couldn't, I didn't know anything about it. Katie (2): murder?
19:4719 minutes, 47 secondsShe wrote kyle (2): Oh God. Murder she wrote.
19:5019 minutes, 50 secondsKatie (2): the theme song with her typewriter and kyle (2): Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
19:5319 minutes, 53 secondsI feel like that was like, even my grandma would've really liked that Katie (2): mm-hmm. Yeah. kyle (2): like, I, Matt Locke too, I guess. Katie (2): Yeah.
20:0020 minutesYeah, that does seem like a Grandma Michelle.
20:0320 minutes, 3 secondskyle (2): like gra on The Simpsons, grandpa Simpson in like, all the people in the home really loved Matt Locke.
20:0920 minutes, 9 secondsKatie (2): you know, I never have seen any episodes of The kyle (2): What were you allowed to watch it or you Katie (2): Yeah. I'm sure.
20:1520 minutes, 15 secondsI, I don't know why it just didn't kyle (2): because I feel, when I was growing up, it was like there were the,
20:2020 minutes, 20 secondsit seems like it was like almost half and half like of kids who were, and were not allowed to watch The Simpsons, so Katie (2): Okay. kyle (2): it's like, I didn't know.
20:2820 minutes, 28 secondsMaybe you were one of those families or it's like mom, Katie (2): I doubt that was The case.
20:3220 minutes, 32 secondskyle (2): but Katie (2): I, yeah, I was watching morgue, Povich. I don't know. Like they, yeah. I don't know. It just didn't draw me, I guess. kyle (2): Maury's awesome though.
20:4020 minutes, 40 secondsKatie (2): Mm-hmm. kyle (2): Like you are the father. You're not the father.
20:4520 minutes, 45 secondsKatie (2): I mean, it's like not quite Jerry Springer, but it's right kyle (2): a little freak show esque. There was some stuff on there that was kind of exploitative.
20:5420 minutes, 54 secondsLike they had these like kids that were horrifically burned that were on there. Like little kids. Katie (2): Oh, wow.
21:0121 minutes, 1 secondkyle (2): And I'm like, yeah, I don't like, why is this happening? Or they'd be like, they'd have all these like hot chicks on. It's like, which ones are actually dudes?
21:1021 minutes, 10 secondsAnd so, Katie (2): Yeah, I, the wildest things on those shows, I loved it.
21:1721 minutes, 17 secondsOh, the early that, that's the nineties though, I feel like. But the last one for 86, Kyle, this, I don't know. The show might still be on, to be honest.
21:2521 minutes, 25 secondsI don't know. This long running Sunday ritual promised in-depth investigations, hard hitting interviews, and a soundtrack that ticked down to the truth.
21:3521 minutes, 35 secondskyle (2): I think it's still on 60 minutes. Katie (2): Yeah, kyle (2): I love, I loved 60 Minutes.
21:3921 minutes, 39 secondsLike there it was like I remember watching at my grandparents' place and yeah, like 60 minutes was great.
21:4521 minutes, 45 secondsAnd then you had Andy Rooney's thing at the end where he'd have all his like weird thoughts on stuff, like why did they have stickers on apples?
21:5321 minutes, 53 secondsKatie (2): That's so good and random. I love it.
21:5521 minutes, 55 secondsThank you for playing the time capsule with retro Made kyle (2): my pleasure. Katie (2): Alright, Kyle, shall we get into Pretty in Pink?
22:0922 minutes, 9 secondskyle (2): Let's do this. Katie (2): February 28th, 1986, PG 13.
22:1522 minutes, 15 secondsI assume this is the first time you've seen it kyle (2): Yes. Katie (2): and your, your wife, is this her first time seeing it too? kyle (2): No, she'd seen it a while ago though.
22:2422 minutes, 24 secondsSo she kind of like. Didn't fully remember it, but she did have some familiarity.
22:3022 minutes, 30 secondsKatie (2): I thought I had seen this and it was always one of the ones I wasn't as drawn to of the Hughes universe.
22:3722 minutes, 37 secondsI guess I really liked some of the other ones better and so none of it seemed super familiar and I always conflated it with 16 candles because Molly Ringwald iss in that too.
22:4622 minutes, 46 secondsBut another question because we'll get into some comparisons with this movie, as I alluded to.
22:5422 minutes, 54 secondsEarlier, in the opening that there was another movie the next year that is basically the same movie. Have you seen some kind of Wonderful, kyle (2): Oh, I haven't,
23:0323 minutes, 3 secondsKatie (2): okay, no worries. I'll keep those comparisons brief.
23:0823 minutes, 8 secondskyle (2): In my mind, or I know Molly Ringold from the most is the Breakfast Club, Katie (2): Same. kyle (2): which is, you know, the year before this. Katie (2): Mm-hmm.
23:1623 minutes, 16 secondskyle (2): And it was weird because she's like the popular girl in the breakfast club and it's definitely not in this film. Katie (2): Same note, Kyle.
23:2423 minutes, 24 secondsIt's like literally the opposite. Same note.
23:2823 minutes, 28 secondsWell, so where I was going with this, some kind of wonderful, and it'll be very clear that I think some kind of wonderful spoiler, it's, I think of far superior film and I think that IMDB.
23:3923 minutes, 39 secondsThe rating shows that most people believe that too.
23:4123 minutes, 41 secondsSo, pretty And Pink has a 6.7 and some kind of Wonderful, has a 7.0 and we just covered some kind of wonderful in the last episode.
23:4923 minutes, 49 secondsSo check that episode out and so then we can do a compare and contrast this movie.
23:5423 minutes, 54 secondsSo while John Hughes wrote it, Howard Deutch directed it, and this was actually his directorial debut, and he also did some kind of
24:0524 minutes, 5 secondswonderful, which is essentially the, the redo of this movie because we'll get into the ending is different than what they kyle (2): wanna watch that movie now.
24:1324 minutes, 13 secondsKatie (2): You should watch it. I'm curious what you think.
24:1524 minutes, 15 seconds'Cause it's like gender reversal of this movie kyle (2): Just hold on a couple hours. I'll come back and then we will, Katie (2): Sounds good. Sounds good.
24:2424 minutes, 24 secondsSo Howard Deutsch did both movies. He also did The Great Outdoors, which is also a John Hughes movie. And also Grumpier Old Men.
24:3224 minutes, 32 secondsThat's who kyle (2): not grumpy old men, but just Katie (2): No. Right. Yes. Grumpier. Yeah. kyle (2): Yeah.
24:3824 minutes, 38 secondsI really liked grumpy old men Katie (2): I feel like I liked it too. Yeah,
24:4224 minutes, 42 secondskyle (2): which is weird 'cause I was like this young, young teenager and I'm like, why do I like this story about like old guys? Katie (2): exactly. I don't know either.
24:5124 minutes, 51 secondskyle (2): I've been an old man inside my whole life and I'm just kind of growing into it now. Like I love, I love that I'm in my forties.
24:5824 minutes, 58 secondsI'm like, this kicks ass, like I feel like more myself. Katie (2): I I feel like that too. I've always been a grumpy old lady.
25:0625 minutes, 6 secondsSo John Hughes wrote this and he was unhappy with the ending of it.
25:1125 minutes, 11 secondsAnd he wanted Andy and Ducky like to be together in the end, but they did a screening of this and test audiences.
25:2125 minutes, 21 secondsDidn't like that. That, yeah, that that she ended up with Ducky, like the best friend. So they re-shot the ending so that Blaine,
25:3125 minutes, 31 secondskyle (2): Yeah. Katie (2): she got Blaine in the end. Yeah. Mm-hmm. kyle (2): shocked.
25:3625 minutes, 36 secondsI was shocked because like fairly early on, I'm like, this is, I just out loud said, this is what's gonna happen, Katie (2): Mm-hmm.
25:4525 minutes, 45 secondskyle (2): that she's gotta get dropped by Blaine and she's gonna realize he was a jerk. And then she's gonna duck.
25:5225 minutes, 52 secondsHe's gonna go to prom with her and there's gonna be a spark and they'll end up together.
25:5625 minutes, 56 secondsIt seems like a, I can't list examples, but I feel like it's a fairly common trope Katie (2): Of course. Yep. kyle (2): that that's gonna happen.
26:0426 minutes, 4 secondsAnd then when that didn't happen, I was like, aghast. I was like, really? She feels like very quick to forgive Blaine too.
26:1226 minutes, 12 secondsLike there, she kind of yelled at him and he was just like, eh, like he didn't really have much of a response. He, his little apology thing in the end wasn't much it was, it felt very rushed.
26:2426 minutes, 24 secondsLike Brittany, like my wife and I, and even my daughter thought the same thing. Like my daughter's comment was like, it seems like the ending. The ending prom scene, she was like, that went way too fast.
26:3326 minutes, 33 secondsLike it felt like they like we're almost running outta time and it's like, okay, we gotta get through this, this, this, and that.
26:3826 minutes, 38 secondsAnd then you Katie (2): Well, that's why you're right. It did feel right. Like you can see where where it happened too.
26:4526 minutes, 45 secondsAnd so when they called back, Andrew McCarthy had already cut his hair for some play he was doing. I think so. He had a buzz cut.
26:5426 minutes, 54 secondsSo you can tell in the, the latter, like the ending of the movie, he has a wig on.
26:5826 minutes, 58 secondsIt's very obvious.
26:5926 minutes, 59 secondskyle (2): I'm actually notoriously bad for not being able to spot wigs and two pays and stuff like that. Like I'm very gullible when it comes to people's hair, I guess.
27:0927 minutes, 9 secondsKatie (2): I guess, I think I kind of knew that, so I was like looking for it, but it's very clear whoa, that's not his hair from before. Like it looks completely different.
27:1727 minutes, 17 secondsBut yeah, like of course Stuckey saves the day, you know? And he gives her his blessing though. Like this is all happening.
27:2427 minutes, 24 secondsBlaine tells Andy that he loves her, like this is all happening right in front of Ducky. And I'm like, rude. kyle (2): Yes.
27:3127 minutes, 31 secondsI thought that too, but I, I know guys could be like that though. Katie (2): No, for her, I'm saying, I think Andy was being rude.
27:3927 minutes, 39 secondsLet I don't know.
27:4027 minutes, 40 secondsI felt like it, that whole circumstance, like she could have said, oh, it's just, excuse me, lemme go talk to him.
27:4827 minutes, 48 secondsBut of course Ducky who's been in love with her his whole life recognizes that this is what she wants. kyle (2): That's like true love that he really wants what's best for her,
27:5727 minutes, 57 secondseven if it comes at his own expense.
27:5927 minutes, 59 secondsLike he falls on his Katie (2): exactly. kyle (2): and then he gets this he gets the consolation hot chick though.
28:0528 minutes, 5 secondsLike this, this hot chick is like, like this chick who's like way out of his league just, just comes onto him immediately.
28:1328 minutes, 13 secondsLike there's like just outta nowhere. She doesn't have a date, I guess, which seems like not believable.
28:2028 minutes, 20 secondsShe says like, oh, hey, I don't know you, but I'm into you and now I'm your girlfriend. So it's like, okay, we're telling the audience now.
28:2628 minutes, 26 secondsDucky, ducky was ducky is the Jesus of this moment, and although he's, he's kind of crucified, you know, he comes back to life and everything's all good.
28:3628 minutes, 36 secondsAnd this is like, the way doing it is he gets, he gets some pussy at the end, basically. Katie (2): Exactly, because that situation, you, they had to do that,
28:4428 minutes, 44 secondsI feel like, because otherwise it would be like, that actually happening to Ducky would be so hurtful. kyle (2): Yeah. He's Just ET Malone.
28:5228 minutes, 52 secondsFuck Katie (2): And not uncomfortable. So then, yeah, the con, you're right, the constellation. Now, did you recognize who that actress was? kyle (2): Yes and no.
28:5928 minutes, 59 secondsSo I, when I saw her and I'm like, damn, like she looks familiar, but I had to look her up to, to see what she was on, and I'm like, oh, okay.
29:1029 minutes, 10 secondsI don't, I didn't actually watch any, like she was on Buffy the Vampire Slayer Katie (2): the movie, not the TV show. Yeah. I loved that movie.
29:1829 minutes, 18 secondskyle (2): Then what other thing, what other show was she in? I can't,
29:2129 minutes, 21 secondsKatie (2): She was so, she was also in Ferris Bueller's Day kyle (2): that's right. Yeah, yeah, Katie (2): But yeah.
29:2729 minutes, 27 secondsAnd then similar, I guess he looks at the camera, ducky looks at the camera before he goes to her, like, all off your puer.
29:3629 minutes, 36 secondsDid you notice that? kyle (2): Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That whole ending seems very disappointing.
29:4129 minutes, 41 secondsKatie (2): So, Molly Ringwald kind of wanted the, the ending that we got and as did audiences apparently, but John Hughes really, really hated that.
29:5029 minutes, 50 secondsHe didn't want that to be the case. And so therefore he made some kind of wonderful, where, guess what?
29:5529 minutes, 55 secondsThe best friends get together in kyle (2): Yeah. Which is it's interesting. I wonder if John Hughes himself has been in the friend zone before.
30:0330 minutes, 3 secondsYou know what I mean? Like wonder if Molly ring wall's never been in the friend zone. Because, because as soon as Ducky, as soon as like I saw Ducky in the interactions,
30:1230 minutes, 12 secondsI'm like, oh, this dude is deep. He's deep in that friend zone and that's not a fun place to be.
30:1930 minutes, 19 secondsAnd I was like, I don't know if I've ever, I think I've been kind of friend zoned before.
30:2230 minutes, 22 secondsI have friend zoned people, but it's just it sucks when you like someone and they don't like you Katie (2): Well, this is so eighties now that I, so a lot of eighties movies,
30:3130 minutes, 31 secondsJohn Hughes included, are this way.
30:3330 minutes, 33 secondsIt's like the, it's like they're neighbors and they grew up playing together as children, like they've knew, known each other their whole lives. So this some kind of wonderful, also in Teen Wolf, this happens.
30:4330 minutes, 43 secondsDid you ever see? Yeah.
30:4430 minutes, 44 secondsSo it's very, very eighties kyle (2): yeah.
30:4630 minutes, 46 secondsIt's almost kind of like they see you as a brother or something like that and not a love interest, and you have to somehow like escape.
30:5530 minutes, 55 secondsSomething has to happen to shake things up, to change the perspective or else you're never getting outta that friend Katie (2): Mm-hmm. Agreed.
31:0231 minutes, 2 secondsIn case people haven't seen this, I feel like I saw it, but then I was like, have I seen this movie? Pretty in Pink Falls.
31:0831 minutes, 8 secondsAndy, who's played by Molly Ringwald a creative working class, high schooler, navigating love class divide, which is huge in Hughes movies.
31:1631 minutes, 16 secondskyle (2): huge. Katie (2): Yeah. And social pressure.
31:1831 minutes, 18 secondsWhen she starts dating rich, awkward blame as prom approaches, Andy is forced to choose between fitting in, following her heart, and staying true to herself while her best friend Duckie lurks loudly on the sidelines.
31:3331 minutes, 33 secondskyle (2): Oh, I, I found I found a lot of dynamics of this movie really strange. I found Molly, I found Andy's situation weird.
31:4231 minutes, 42 secondsLike it was like single dad, you don't see single dad a lot. Like single mom is kind of the thing, right?
31:4931 minutes, 49 secondsBecause I think in real life there's way more single moms out there than there are single dads. Like it's usually dad that splits if we're gonna be honest.
31:5731 minutes, 57 secondsAnd I found the dad character really odd.
32:0032 minutesKatie (2): Harry Deed Stanton kyle (2): Yeah, I feel like he was weird. Like he, he's way too nice to be in the situation he's in.
32:0832 minutes, 8 secondsLike you think the unemployed, alcoholic, heartbroken dad would not be so kind and emotionally supportive.
32:1632 minutes, 16 secondsLike you think he'd be like angry all the time and like disillusioned. But he seems like, this leading heart nice dude.
32:2632 minutes, 26 secondsAnd I, I didn't really buy that. Katie (2): Interesting. I, I think it happened quick. I think when we first meet him, he's more what you described.
32:3632 minutes, 36 secondskyle (2): That's what I, yeah.
32:3732 minutes, 37 secondsAs soon as I saw him and he is like, she has to wake her hungover dad up Katie (2): Mm-hmm.
32:4132 minutes, 41 secondskyle (2): like she's kind of in this pseudo caregiver role Katie (2): very much so and very clearly. This is this has been going on for a while, kyle (2): Yeah.
32:5032 minutes, 50 secondsAnd I thought maybe your mom died or something. Katie (2): That's what you assume whenever there's a single dad, it's usually that the mom died.
32:5632 minutes, 56 secondskyle (2): Yeah, because mom I don't if, if are moms who split, but I feel like that's not, I feel like a lot of moms would never do that.
33:0633 minutes, 6 secondsLike they, they feel a greater sense of responsibility and it's usually the dad, like the man who splits Katie (2): Yes. But I.
33:1433 minutes, 14 secondsthink it helped from, it helped give his character the right perspective to kind of give advice and be helpful because he's, his heart was broken, so he kind of understands.
33:2433 minutes, 24 secondsSo I think we're meant to see him kind of grow as a character, like kind of rise to the occasion to be there for, for Andy.
33:3233 minutes, 32 secondsBut yeah, it was kind of quick. kyle (2): You don't, you don't see that huge arc though. He seems like he's pretty chill from the beginning. Katie (2): Yeah. Now, are you familiar with him, with Harry Dean Stanton?
33:4133 minutes, 41 secondsI.
33:4233 minutes, 42 secondskyle (2): I've seen him around I don't know, is a person or is like his characters he's Katie (2): As an actor, like kyle (2): No, I don't, I don't know anything about him. I looked him up on Wikipedia real quick.
33:5233 minutes, 52 secondsKatie (2): well, he, the reason I ask is 'cause he's been in other movies, he played the dad in red Dawn, kyle (2): Yeah.
33:5833 minutes, 58 secondsKatie (2): Jed and Matt Matt's dad, Patrick Swayze and Charlie Sheen. He has over 200 acting credits. So he's one of those guys. He's in a ton of stuff.
34:0734 minutes, 7 secondsAnd I thought kyle (2): a homeless guy or like a Dr. Like he has that look to him where I'm like, I've seen him as like a bum like a bunch of times or something like that in a bunch of films where I'm like, I just can't quite put my finger on it.
34:1934 minutes, 19 secondsKatie (2): Didn't you think he looked kind of old to be playing her dad in kyle (2): I looked his age up because you know, like the, this thing
34:2634 minutes, 26 secondswhere it's like people looked older back then, so I'm like, is this guy my age and just looks way older? But he's not, Katie (2): Same. I had the exact same thing co.
34:3534 minutes, 35 secondskyle (2): he's 60 years old in that movie. Katie (2): He is,
34:3834 minutes, 38 secondswhich kyle (2): he's the same age where he is roughly the, he's like a year different between my grandma and I. Right.
34:4534 minutes, 45 secondsLike Katie (2): Oh wow. kyle (2): yeah he mean my grandma's 98 now,
34:5134 minutes, 51 secondslike, but she would've been 16 or she would've been 16 in 1988.
34:5534 minutes, 55 secondsSo it's like her and him would be very similar and I'm like, yeah, he's like this 60-year-old guy and Molly Ringwald.
35:0135 minutes, 1 secondIt's like 17 or 18 in Katie (2): 18. I think they say. kyle (2): Like just barely, sorry. I was gonna say barely legal, but that doesn't sound right.
35:1035 minutes, 10 secondsBarely an, an adult. Katie (2): I mean, she's still in high school, so Yeah.
35:1335 minutes, 13 secondskyle (2): That would be like if I had a kid now, which I could like it's not like it's totally unreasonable, but it's like, it's weird.
35:2135 minutes, 21 secondsShe's an only child to, you think would be an only child, at least to a 40-year-old dad. There's no reference to any siblings.
35:2935 minutes, 29 secondsSo I can't, Katie (2): Right. kyle (2): if it's not in the film, I'm assuming it doesn't exist.
35:3335 minutes, 33 secondsKatie (2): Right kyle (2): So it's like that's odd.
35:3635 minutes, 36 secondsYou would think someone of that age growing up at that time would have more kids. Katie (2): and have kids younger. I thought the same thing.
35:4335 minutes, 43 secondsI was like, is this a case where he's actually 40 and he just looked kyle (2): Yeah. Does she have a bunch of older siblings who have moved out and are long gone?
35:5035 minutes, 50 secondsKatie (2): So he's not actually, so the actor, Harry Dean Stanton was 60 playing this role, but the clues they give us in the movie make him 54.
35:5735 minutes, 57 secondsSo he's playing a 54-year-old, which is still, she talks about when she was 14, he was 50,
36:0736 minutes, 7 secondsand then four years later, I think they,
36:0936 minutes, 9 secondsthere was a scene at which they say that, but that would still make him in his like mid, early to mid forties when he had her, which is totally normal now,
36:2036 minutes, 20 secondsbut in 86. Yeah. kyle (2): Well, like 14. So that'd be like 1972.
36:2736 minutes, 27 secondsIf you were, oh no, wait, if you're 18 in 1986, so that'd be 68. Katie (2): Mm-hmm.
36:3336 minutes, 33 secondskyle (2): So yeah, in the sixties, having kids at 40 would be like, pretty weird. Katie (2): Exactly. I, I just noted that I was like, God is, he just seemed,
36:4236 minutes, 42 secondsI like him as kyle (2): the mom was way younger. Katie (2): Could be. Mm-hmm.
36:4536 minutes, 45 secondskyle (2): cause guys even now, I think having a, as a woman, having a kid at 40 is a little risky, I think Katie (2): Well, they say geriatric after 35, which is super fun.
36:5436 minutes, 54 secondskyle (2): yeah. Katie (2): But especially in more like, if you live in a city, you're more likely to wait longer.
37:0037 minutesThat seems like demographically so I do see that way more normally now where women are having kids in their forties now, but back then,
37:1037 minutes, 10 secondskyle (2): for sure.
37:1137 minutes, 11 secondsBecause it's like even people getting married, it's like people aren't getting married till their thirties now, and it used to be like early to mid twenties.
37:1837 minutes, 18 secondsYou got married and then you had kids that, you know, that year or a couple years later.
37:2437 minutes, 24 secondsBasically what I did, actually, I'm kind of old school, I guess Katie (2): You, you are. Yes, you are. But that makes you a young cool dad,
37:3237 minutes, 32 secondskyle (2): that's how I Katie (2): you know? Yeah. What did you think about, so John Crier plays Ducky, the best friend in this,
37:4037 minutes, 40 secondskyle (2): Yeah.
37:4137 minutes, 41 secondsKatie (2): he's obviously, we probably know him from two and a half men, is probably where we most know him from, I don't really know him from anything else, aside from this and that. kyle (2): Yeah.
37:5037 minutes, 50 secondsHe's very odd character. Very bizarre. My wife is like, he for sure has a DHD. There's no question.
37:5837 minutes, 58 seconds'cause my wife has really bad A DHD. Right.
38:0038 minutesAnd so does my daughter Actually, my daughter was convinced he was actually gay the whole time. Katie (2): You know, that's interesting that you say that.
38:0838 minutes, 8 secondsMolly Ringwald, that's what she felt like also like that yeah, like she felt like there's no way that Andy would go with Ducky because she feels like Ducky was a closeted gay person.
38:1938 minutes, 19 secondskyle (2): well then that's, that's maybe why she like preferred the, the ending the way it was.
38:2638 minutes, 26 secondsMaybe Katie (2): That is why. kyle (2): best friend. Okay. Yeah.
38:2838 minutes, 28 secondsThat makes more sense than oh, like I don't like that best friend dynamic of turning into a boyfriend or whatever. Yeah. She like my, my daughter.
38:3738 minutes, 37 secondsShe won't mind me saying this.
38:3838 minutes, 38 secondsShe's like, my daughter's like pansexual, so she, I think she has some, some gayar type of Katie (2): That would make sense. Yeah.
38:4538 minutes, 45 secondskyle (2): Yeah, this guy, I, I don't, I don't buy it. You know, yeah. Katie (2): So Anthony Michael Hall turned this down.
38:5438 minutes, 54 secondsIt's so funny that John Hughes want, so he wanted Molly Ringwald to also be in some kind of wonderful, it's literally the same movie.
39:0039 minutesAnd then he also wanted Anthony Michael Hall to be in this, and he already did that was 16 candles. It's like, why are you keep making the same movie? Yeah.
39:0839 minutes, 8 secondskyle (2): find some directors just like having the same actors over and over again.
39:1239 minutes, 12 secondsLike Martin Scorsese's like that, like Katie (2): But it's like the same movie. kyle (2): I know. I know. Yeah.
39:2139 minutes, 21 secondsI wonder if it's like he just wants to like, kind of perfect it or you know,
39:2739 minutes, 27 secondsyou just comfortable in a certain groove Katie (2): Mm-hmm.
39:3039 minutes, 30 secondskyle (2): You know, like Katie (2): John Hughes was really close with Molly Ringwald and Anthony Michael Hall for a few years, and then they both had kind of, famous, like breaking up so to speak with John Hughes.
39:4139 minutes, 41 secondsSo I think he holds a grudge but I did also read that Robert Downey Jr. Was almost cast as ducky and so Molly Ring.
39:4939 minutes, 49 secondsYeah, Molly, Molly said that if that had been the case, it would make sense. She would've liked the original ending that she ended up with her friend.
39:5739 minutes, 57 secondsHad it been Robert Downey Jr. 'cause he didn't give her the brother vibe. kyle (2): Yeah, yeah.
40:0540 minutes, 5 secondsWell that's kinda the thing though, is he kind of has to have the brother vibe, at least at the beginning, to be that friend zoned kid you grew up with. Right. Katie (2): Mm-hmm.
40:1340 minutes, 13 secondskyle (2): My wife and I this morning, we, we have what we call coffee talk, on Sunday we sit down, we have coffee, we just chat about whatever, and we talk about this movie.
40:2240 minutes, 22 secondsIt's a podcast prep, and we were both kind of fascinated by ducky and how you don't learn much about him, his background, you just get this one snippet of where he lives and it's kind of disturbing.
40:3340 minutes, 33 secondsLike he has this mattress on the floor and it doesn't look like a bedroom.
40:3640 minutes, 36 secondsIt looks like, it's like you see the window to the side, it looks like a living room window.
40:4040 minutes, 40 secondsYou see a chair that looks like a living room chair, and then you see like graffiti or something on the wall. There's a spray painted do you live in a crack house?
40:4740 minutes, 47 secondsLike, where do you, like, where do you live? Like you, you're obviously like in the same neighborhood as her, right?
40:5340 minutes, 53 secondsLike you're in this rougher neighborhood, but it's like, what is ducky story? I wanna know that so bad.
40:5940 minutes, 59 secondsAnd that's what I kinda like too, like I like a movie with a bit of mystery where you could kind of make your own story about ducky or whatever, but. Katie (2): That's a really great point.
41:0841 minutes, 8 secondsI kind of noticed that too, and I was like, is this just supposed to show us that they, they live in, like the bad part of town kyle (2): yeah.
41:1441 minutes, 14 secondsLike I actually, when I first saw the movie, I wasn't aware that it was like about class dynamics as much, right. Because I, I didn't know anything about it.
41:2241 minutes, 22 secondsAnd I always, we've talked about this before it seems like in a lot of these movies, it shows like the, what, what is supposed to be like the average American family way more affluent than what the average American family really is.
41:3541 minutes, 35 secondsKatie (2): Mm-hmm.
41:3641 minutes, 36 secondskyle (2): And so when I saw like this street cleaner going through this neighborhood and like this, the street was all fucked up.
41:4341 minutes, 43 secondsAnd it's like her house was like noticeably kind of old and a little bit dingy. I was just like, what, what's happening here?
41:5041 minutes, 50 secondsKatie (2): They're introducing you to where she lives and who they kyle (2): yeah, but it's, it is just, yeah, exactly. It, it just was not my like, usually it's like, you see these,
41:5841 minutes, 58 secondsthese are way more idyllic scenes. Katie (2): Oh.
42:0142 minutes, 1 second'cause you didn't know, like you were hit with it, as a surprise kyle (2): I was just like, what? What's happening here? This is so bizarre.
42:0742 minutes, 7 secondsLike it's not in this movie, it shows like you either are in like this scene or an ultra mansion. Katie (2): There's no in between.
42:1442 minutes, 14 secondskyle (2): There's no, yeah, like just typical. Like her house wasn't even that bad. It was just really old. Like it wasn't kept up.
42:2242 minutes, 22 secondsLike that actually could be a really cool house if it was like maintained Katie (2): Mm-hmm.
42:2742 minutes, 27 secondskyle (2): yeah, it was like obviously in a neighborhood that probably was once fairly nice.
42:3242 minutes, 32 secondsAnd it's supposed to be in Chicago, but it's in la and this is a weird thing, but like you could tell it's in LA 'cause of the streetlight.
42:3942 minutes, 39 secondsThere's they must film in like the same neighborhood in la but there's like all these movies where the streetlights are exactly the same. Like the, like Wayne's World for example, is supposed to be in Chicago,
42:4842 minutes, 48 secondsbut it's also filmed in LA and it's the same fucking streetlights.
42:5242 minutes, 52 secondsKatie (2): In the, in Andy's neighborhood or in the, the well to-do kyle (2): Andy's neighborhood, I think. I think maybe also the Welted.
43:0043 minutesI don't know. I just remember seeing this streetlight.
43:0243 minutes, 2 secondsI'm like, I, I recognize that style of streetlight that's this is a, this is an LA thing because I've never seen it anywhere else. Katie (2): You're right.
43:0943 minutes, 9 secondsWith most John Hughes movies, it's set in Chicago, and I noticed that it said Elgin on the street Sweeper, which it must be like either a suburb or a small town near Chicago.
43:2043 minutes, 20 secondsAnd the only reason I knew it was in Chicago because I was a big fan of the show, Roseanne growing up,
43:2743 minutes, 27 secondsand they live in Lanford, which is supposed to be like, I don't, I don't know, like some within an hour or two of Chicago.
43:3543 minutes, 35 secondsAnd they talk about Elgin Lanford is a fictitious place, but like they talk about going to Elgin a lot in that show. kyle (2): Yeah.
43:4143 minutes, 41 secondsWaynes World's supposed to be in Aurora, which is an actual Chicago suburb. But it's like kind of at the periphery of like greater Chicago. But yeah, I don't know.
43:5043 minutes, 50 secondsIs Hefr, is John Hughes from there? Or is like, why does he like Chicago so much? No one has like Chicago accents, but,
43:5843 minutes, 58 secondsKatie (2): No kyle (2): which is fine.
43:5943 minutes, 59 seconds'cause I think with a lot of movies you don't want people to have like really regional accents unless it's like there's exceptions like Goodwill hunting or something like that.
44:0744 minutes, 7 secondsOr Fargo, where it's like very much regional.
44:1044 minutes, 10 secondsBut I think like the LA accent other than like the Valley Girl accent is fairly generic Katie (2): Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
44:1744 minutes, 17 secondsWhat did you think of Iona, the character Iona played by Annie Potts?
44:2244 minutes, 22 secondskyle (2): This was the, the, the friend that worked at the record store well okay, so she's like, is she a professional?
44:2844 minutes, 28 secondsCindy Lauper impersonator, like she looks like Sidney Lauper Katie (2): It was of that time. I, I don't know.
44:3344 minutes, 33 secondsI kind of got a kick out kyle (2): She really just this whole movie is quintessentially eighties and how could it not be? 'cause it's in the middle of the eighties.
44:4144 minutes, 41 secondsBut she was like such a core, I loved that character Katie (2): Me too. kyle (2): I loved her.
44:4744 minutes, 47 secondsShe was changing her look all the time, and she was just kind of this like person who was just kind of floating around through life, you know, like she has a record store job.
44:5744 minutes, 57 secondsShe lives in this weird apartment in Chinatown. She'd have these like bizarre phone conversations, like yelling stuff out.
45:0445 minutes, 4 secondsLike she's like that quintessentially quirky friend who's just, she's just a little bit odd. And I loved her.
45:1245 minutes, 12 secondsI, I thought she was such a great character. Katie (2): She was the highlight of the movie for me. I loved her. This character, I think I like related to her.
45:2145 minutes, 21 secondsI don't know why. 'cause I'm not, I don't like spike my hair and I never did.
45:2445 minutes, 24 secondsBut based on what they talk about, she must have been like in her early or mid thirties. kyle (2): I think, yeah.
45:3045 minutes, 30 seconds'cause she went to prom in the sixties, 'cause she mentions the sixties and also like when she wore her prom dress and then she had her like wig or Katie (2): Beehive.
45:3845 minutes, 38 secondsMm-hmm. kyle (2): like, yeah, this obvious beehive. So, you know, I would say 1967 ish, she would've been in like her last year of high school.
45:4745 minutes, 47 secondsSo that would put her born around 1950, which would make her like 36.
45:5345 minutes, 53 secondsSo she's probably like mid thirties, early to mid Katie (2): Mm-hmm. Which, yeah, it's funny 'cause she's goes after different, like she,
46:0246 minutes, 2 secondskyle (2): I guess she's not really single, but sorry, go ahead. Katie (2): no, she is single, but she, we see her kind of swap men. Like she throws one to the curb and she's got this new guy and I really like him.
46:1146 minutes, 11 secondsAnd but she was kind of like the older sister, sort of to Andy. kyle (2): Yeah. Yeah.
46:1746 minutes, 17 secondsWell it's like Andy, she works at this record store. She has a car, Katie (2): Mm-hmm.
46:2546 minutes, 25 secondskyle (2): and now it's not the nicest car. Like it has some dents in it and stuff like that, Katie (2): it's really old. kyle (2): it's not a total piece of shit either, though.
46:3246 minutes, 32 secondsI Katie (2): I thought it was kind of cool. kyle (2): Yeah, it's like a it exactly.
46:3646 minutes, 36 secondsSorry, it's all over the place, but I, in my mind I'm always thinking about like, how real is something, like the logistics and I'm like, how do they live?
46:4546 minutes, 45 secondsLike her dad doesn't have a job. Like they, they must be on like food stamps or like welfare or something.
46:5346 minutes, 53 secondsKatie (2): She mentions, I think he must work part-time. She mentioned something about, do you wanna just work part-time forever?
47:0247 minutes, 2 secondskyle (2): oh, maybe. Yeah. 'cause he was like, oh, I got a job. Katie (2): Mm-hmm. kyle (2): And she's oh, I'm so proud of you. And.
47:1047 minutes, 10 secondsYeah, so maybe he works part-time. Maybe she helps out with a bit of a record store money. But yeah, like she, I don't know.
47:1747 minutes, 17 secondsI find that's like a weird tangent, but I just, I kept thinking that when she's working at the record store and I'm like, maybe it's just easier to live in the eighties.
47:2647 minutes, 26 secondsYou can live off Katie (2): I think that's partially true. Yeah, probably partially true. But we also, we see that she's very frugal.
47:3447 minutes, 34 secondsShe has this like very unique sense of style, like eclectic but she makes it, she gets things secondhand and then she kind of makes things her own,
47:4347 minutes, 43 secondswhich she freaking did in 16 candles too.
47:4547 minutes, 45 secondsIt's like co again, John Hughes was like just grabbing ingredients from movies and putting it together. But, kyle (2): if he was poor growing up.
47:5647 minutes, 56 secondsKatie (2): I don't think so.
47:5747 minutes, 57 secondsI feel like I read that he did live in maybe like a suburb, a similar suburb of Chicago or something. And I don't, I, I don't think he was well off, but I don't know.
48:0648 minutes, 6 secondsHe seems really, really focused on the class divide a lot. kyle (2): I think that that's also maybe an eighties thing. Katie (2): Mm-hmm.
48:1348 minutes, 13 secondskyle (2): the materialism of the eighties was a huge theme in this movie.
48:1948 minutes, 19 secondsAnd I feel like from my own personal memory in the nineties, there was somewhat of a carryover in the nineties Katie (2): Yeah.
48:2848 minutes, 28 secondskyle (2): Like where people, I'm not saying people aren't materialistic now, but I feel like it's not as, as bad or not as prevalent. Katie (2): The average person isn't, yeah,
48:3748 minutes, 37 secondskyle (2): yeah, yeah. Exactly. Like I feel like those, those bully high school girls.
48:4248 minutes, 42 secondsI'm like, I know you like I, I, I know versions of you from like my real life because I, I grew up in a suburb.
48:5048 minutes, 50 secondsThat was like generally fairly well off, but I wasn't like, I feel like I related to Molly Ringwald character a bit, or she reminded me of my sister a little bit.
49:0049 minutesKatie (2): Okay. kyle (2): I remember my sister talking about my sister's your age. So we're pretty close in age. Katie (2): Mm-hmm.
49:0749 minutes, 7 secondskyle (2): talking about you know, you could really get made fun of if you had secondhand clothes or you know, if you had a unique style, right?
49:1449 minutes, 14 secondsIt, it was really about like how expensive your clothes could be and like that really cemented your status.
49:2349 minutes, 23 secondsI remember for example, in junior high, everyone wore Nike shoes. Everyone like wore Nike, everything.
49:3149 minutes, 31 secondsThere's this face, remember the tracksuit face? Did you have that in Denver?
49:3549 minutes, 35 secondsLike in Katie (2): Well, I grew up in Nebraska, but yeah.
49:3849 minutes, 38 secondsbut, and similar, I went to a Catholic school so there were, and it was a small town, but four, a small town in Nebraska, like some well off people and Catholic schools, so we wore uniforms, but,
49:5049 minutes, 50 secondsso, but like your shoes it's like, the popular kids, like everybody had the same shoes just in different colors or everybody wore the same outfit, just in different, like different versions of it.
50:0150 minutes, 1 secondAnd so if you grow up in a place like that and you have any actual sense of style and are unique in any way that is punished.
50:0950 minutes, 9 secondskyle (2): It is pun. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
50:1150 minutes, 11 seconds'cause I remember like the shoes kids wore that were popular when I was in junior high in like the mid nineties were like $150 shoes, which like my family would never buy.
50:2450 minutes, 24 secondsLike I just, that was not in the budget. And yeah, I totally agree. If you had your own sense of style and you were unique, you were a target,
50:3250 minutes, 32 secondslike you were the, you know, the Japanese, they were saying like, the nail that sticks out gets hammered. Katie (2): Ah. kyle (2): yeah.
50:4050 minutes, 40 secondsAnd I feel like that part of, that's human nature. Katie (2): Mm-hmm.
50:4450 minutes, 44 secondskyle (2): Like you're, you know, like you're still fighting yourself in junior high and high school and you like, you have a, an urge to fit in and like that,
50:5350 minutes, 53 secondsI think that remains with you throughout your life, but it diminishes like I think with the older you get, like old people especially, do you just do not give a shit
51:0151 minutes, 1 secondKatie (2): I don't, I definitely don't know, but I, I think that's why in a lot of these movies or TV shows, it's like you show an adolescent or teenager that isn't one of those, you know, in the click people.
51:1551 minutes, 15 secondsAnd , there's always someone like the Iona character here, trying to. Lift up that person and be like, just, just wait.
51:2351 minutes, 23 seconds'cause this, this will be rewarded as it when you're grown up.
51:2751 minutes, 27 secondsThose people will be, has beens they peaked in high school, but you, you know what I mean?
51:3151 minutes, 31 secondsSo it's, that seems to be the kyle (2): Yeah.
51:3351 minutes, 33 seconds'cause she's, she's like that, those people are cool once they're in their twenties and in their thirties. Katie (2): Mm-hmm. kyle (2): Yeah. Yeah.
51:4051 minutes, 40 secondsThere, there is kind of, so there's nothing more pathetic than someone who say is like my age and doesn't stop talking about what they did in high school.
51:5051 minutes, 50 secondsKatie (2): Do, do you find that kyle (2): Not a ton in really? No.
51:5451 minutes, 54 secondsLike I, I see it more in media, but yeah, occasionally those people, you could tell, like those people that peaked in high school or peaked in college
52:0152 minutes, 1 secondand you know, they're always talking about, oh, I was like this and I was like that and I could have done this. And I'm like, okay. That's the past. Where are you now?
52:0952 minutes, 9 secondsRight? Katie (2): Mm-hmm. Well, speaking of the class divide and the, the Richies, as she says, James Spader plays Steph,
52:1952 minutes, 19 secondsWho is Blaine's best friend and he's that typical dick guy that like,
52:2552 minutes, 25 secondskyle (2): I had a real Katie (2): the prototype, kyle (2): Yeah.
52:2752 minutes, 27 secondsI actually and this is from the perspective of someone who didn't see this movie coming out, that that I had a hard time with James Spader being this character.
52:3652 minutes, 36 seconds'cause it's James Spader,
52:3852 minutes, 38 secondsKatie (2): you know kyle (2): saw this Yeah. From other stuff. What's that? Show these on, I mean, binge watching this on Yeah. Blacklist. Katie (2): I never saw that, but he's, yeah.
52:4752 minutes, 47 secondsBlacklist. Robert, kyle (2): watched that show for a while. Yeah. Robert California. So see him from Blacklist. Blacklist. He's kind of like, he's this badass, but he is also kind of nerdy.
52:5652 minutes, 56 secondsKatie (2): Mm-hmm. kyle (2): I, I see him as this bald, nerdy type of guy. So when I see him and just his voice doesn't match the character.
53:0453 minutes, 4 secondsLike he, because he sounds exactly the same back then as he does now, more or less. And he, he's actually was quite good looking in this film.
53:1253 minutes, 12 secondsI was Katie (2): Yeah.
53:1353 minutes, 13 secondsBack in the day, James Bader was like, he he played this character. That's who he was.
53:1753 minutes, 17 secondskyle (2): And I was like, but I, I just because of, because I seen James Spader as like an older adult.
53:2453 minutes, 24 secondsIt was really hard to like, accept him even as Katie (2): I can see that. Yeah, I can see that. Didn't you think he did a good job though,
53:3353 minutes, 33 secondskyle (2): he did. He did. Yeah.
53:3653 minutes, 36 secondsI feel like his character, I, that's a character I also want to know more about because he's just like over the top prick, right?
53:4553 minutes, 45 secondsThere's no, there's not a lot of depth to him though. But you kind of get a little hint at his house party that he's not happy.
53:5353 minutes, 53 secondsAnd Katie (2): I.
53:5453 minutes, 54 secondskyle (2): also you get a few hints there, but he has he's like in he's kind of in his bed and I know that what's her name that, that the mean girl that he dates Benny, he's with her.
54:0454 minutes, 4 secondsSo he is probably trying to get laid up there or whatever, but he's just watching. He doesn't seem happy around her. Even at prom. He doesn't seem happy.
54:1254 minutes, 12 secondsHe, he seems like a deeply sad person, which is interesting because like from the outside he seems to have it all.
54:1954 minutes, 19 secondsMolly Ringold drives by his house early in the film, or Andy, and she's I wonder what that's like inside.
54:2654 minutes, 26 secondsThey probably didn't even like this house as much as me, and I don't think he does because his house is empty. Like his parents are nowhere to be seen.
54:3554 minutes, 35 secondsI always find it funny these teenagers have these rager parties and it's like, I could see, maybe say that your parents were away in a ski trip or something. So it's like, let's do this.
54:4454 minutes, 44 secondsBut it seems like he's just bored of this. Like drinking is not a novelty to him. Having money in cars is not a novelty to him.
54:5254 minutes, 52 secondsLike he seems like he's an alcoholic at, at 17 and it's like, mommy and daddy don't pay attention to you.
55:0055 minutesAnd it, it shows right. He seems like he's a burnout adult before his time.
55:0655 minutes, 6 secondsLike it's really odd and I'd like to, I'd like to know more about him, I wanna know more about him. I wanna know more about Ducky. And I realize you can't do that necessarily in these films because,
55:1655 minutes, 16 secondsKatie (2): It needs to be a series to,
55:1755 minutes, 17 secondsto learn those kyle (2): would be like a coherent film, but it's still it is interesting and that I feel like I, I could maybe be more interested in that character
55:2555 minutes, 25 secondsif I knew more about him, but he was just like, yeah, he, he just seemed like over the top antagonistic.
55:3455 minutes, 34 secondsKatie (2): Good point.
55:3555 minutes, 35 secondsI mean, and that sort of was the case in the eighties, but this type of character we see a lot too.
55:4055 minutes, 40 secondsLike he, everybody envys this person because they have it all, but deep down they are deeply unhappy because they've just been fed money.
55:4955 minutes, 49 secondsBut, he's deeply lacking attention and love. kyle (2): You got everything money could buy except what it can. Katie (2): Yeah. Yeah.
55:5755 minutes, 57 secondsWhat is, yeah, he's Blaine says that to her, you can buy everything, but you couldn't buy her. kyle (2): Yeah. Yeah.
56:0256 minutes, 2 secondsLike the, what he, he gets rejected by this person who's kind of a nobody in the school. Right. And he's bitter about that.
56:0956 minutes, 9 secondsAnd he is like, he's trying to sabotage this, his friend's relationship with her not, and he couches it as oh, you know, you can't it's bad for you socially if you're with this person or just just fuck her and get it over with.
56:2356 minutes, 23 secondsBut in actuality, you wanna be with her, you're not gonna be with her. So if I can't have her, no one can have her. Right.
56:2856 minutes, 28 secondsAnd it's it's, it's weird that I would've liked to see maybe him make further attempts to try and get Andy.
56:3656 minutes, 36 secondsKatie (2): We just, see the beginning, the part, kyle (2): a fucking bitch. You're whatever. And that's, that's it. Like he just, he gives up.
56:4356 minutes, 43 secondsBut it it would've been interesting if he was trying to like scheme around and get her a little bit, but that also might've been weird in the sense that she was an unpopular girl, but she, she gets male attention the entire film.
56:5556 minutes, 55 secondsKatie (2): Well, that is really, I wanted to get your thoughts on this because I felt like the true high school experience wouldn't allow for the dynamic
57:0557 minutes, 5 secondsthat is at play here, where both of the rich guys Blaine, who is Andrew McCarthy Saint Almost Fire Weekend at Bernie's, joy Luck Club mannequin.
57:1457 minutes, 14 secondsHe, he was kind of a thing and he was like a brat packer for a while, which I don't get I don't think he's attractive at all, but Blaine James Spader as Steph
57:2457 minutes, 24 secondsand the best friend, all three main characters men are after Andy Molly Ringwald, who is not a popular girl and she's not conventionally beautiful.
57:3757 minutes, 37 secondskyle (2): Oh, I don't know about that. Okay. Sorry. Katie (2): she's not conventional.
57:4157 minutes, 41 secondsLike she's usually the like, really, you know, it's usually some like really beautiful long hair, kyle (2): She, Katie (2): Perfect body.
57:4857 minutes, 48 secondskyle (2): She doesn't fit in in terms of, yeah, her look like she does not look that eighties actually.
57:5557 minutes, 55 secondsLike she does, she's not keeping up with the fats in the eighties and she has these big glasses.
58:0158 minutes, 1 secondShe's the popular girl in the breakfast club, but she doesn't look that different in the breakfast club than she does here. Katie (2): I even brought it up in the breakfast club.
58:0858 minutes, 8 secondsI, I don't think she looks like the prototype of the high school. Pretty popular girl. kyle (2): Yeah, I think she's not bad looking though.
58:1658 minutes, 16 secondsKatie (2): No, no. I, I agree. I think she's very pretty.
58:1958 minutes, 19 secondsIt's just she's not like, you know, and that's maybe more interesting, but I just thought in high school that wouldn't happen.
58:2458 minutes, 24 secondsThe, the two popular guys are not gonna both be after like, some not popular girl when they have the other pretty popular girls.
58:3358 minutes, 33 secondskyle (2): I will say this.
58:3458 minutes, 34 secondsSo guys, though, the status, the social status of your partner is not as important as it is to women. Katie (2): High school.
58:4158 minutes, 41 secondsI feel like at least in this, that we were shown that it kyle (2): say, not as important.
58:4558 minutes, 45 secondsI'm not saying it's not important, but I feel like women value social status and prestige in their partner more than men do.
58:5458 minutes, 54 secondsAnd I think women, they wanna punch up, they want to be with someone who has more than them. Katie (2): Mm-hmm. kyle (2): guys typically is the opposite.
59:0259 minutes, 2 secondsLike they don't maybe it's intimidating or whatever. They want someone to be a little less.
59:0859 minutes, 8 secondsAnd now I do think it's a stretch that maybe they, they all like Andy so much, Katie (2): Mm-hmm.
59:1659 minutes, 16 secondskyle (2): but I feel like also you kind of want what you, you can't have at the Katie (2): Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. No, you bring up a a good point.
59:2559 minutes, 25 secondsI think the men like that though. These, these men that already have status want like a trophy on their arm. I don't think she's like a trophy.
59:3359 minutes, 33 secondskyle (2): I don't think that Steph would've wanted to be in a relationship,
59:3759 minutes, 37 secondslike what I'll call an open, re open, not being like polyamorous, but like open being like socially known. I think he wanted to sleep with Andy.
59:4759 minutes, 47 secondsKatie (2): yeah.
59:4759 minutes, 47 secondsThat's a good kyle (2): I, I don't think he wanted Andy to be his girlfriend. And I think that's another difference too, right?
59:5459 minutes, 54 secondsLike where it's you know, guys like that, they're fine to hit it and quit it and move on, right? But they're a little more stingy with commitment.
1:00:021 hour, 2 secondsI think the status and prestige.
1:00:041 hour, 4 secondsHe wants people to know that he has the hot girlfriend, so he'll want like a shit, I, I forgot her name already. I keep forgetting Benny.
1:00:121 hour, 12 secondsHe wants Benny for show. Katie (2): Yes. kyle (2): he actually likes Benny as a person that much.
1:00:171 hour, 17 secondsKatie (2): No, he doesn't care kyle (2): irritates him, but she's hot and she probably, okay, so my daughter did something that really disturbed me.
1:00:261 hour, 26 secondsShe's getting older.
1:00:271 hour, 27 secondsShe's only 12, but like she's getting at that age and she's like, dad, do you know why those girls are so popular? like, 'cause they're good looking.
1:00:351 hour, 35 secondsShe's like, no. And then she was like this,
1:00:391 hour, 39 secondsKatie (2): your daughter kyle (2): I'm like, oh my God. Katie (2): God, kyle (2): But that's probably some truth to that.
1:00:471 hour, 47 secondsThose like Benny probably puts out Right. Katie (2): yeah. She certainly, she says this much. kyle (2): yeah, she definitely, she puts out, she's hot.
1:00:551 hour, 55 secondsShe's, you, you submit your status by her being your girlfriend. I presume when he was going after Andy, Benny was still his girlfriend.
1:01:041 hour, 1 minute, 4 secondsI don't think he was gonna break up with Benny to be with Andy Katie (2): yeah. I think absolutely. Yeah.
1:01:091 hour, 1 minute, 9 secondsGood kyle (2): But, you know, he, maybe he wants to see if the carpet matches the drapes or something like that. Katie (2): And in the eighties, you know, there was, there was more to see,
1:01:191 hour, 1 minute, 19 secondskyle (2): Yes. Yeah.
1:01:191 hour, 1 minute, 19 secondsNo, you would've, you would've known back in the Katie (2): more carpet. kyle (2): Yeah.
1:01:241 hour, 1 minute, 24 secondsKatie (2): Now I did find really interesting though about people who were potentially gonna play Blaine. Do you know who Jerry Levine is? kyle (2): yeah. I'm bad with names.
1:01:321 hour, 1 minute, 32 secondsKatie (2): Yeah. No, he, he's, it's a little obscure. He played styles in Teen Wolf,
1:01:381 hour, 1 minute, 38 secondskyle (2): Oh, I Katie (2): the yeah. You haven't seen that? kyle (2): No. Katie (2): Oh, it's so good. I mean, it's, it's, it's fun. It's a fun movie.
1:01:451 hour, 1 minute, 45 secondsWell, at any rate, he was considered to play Blaine,
1:01:491 hour, 1 minute, 49 secondswhich would've been a very different, he's really loud and confident in Teen Wolf and Blaine with Andrew McCarthy is very understated and quiet.
1:02:001 hour, 2 minuteskyle (2): I found Blaine to be very unsatisfying character. Katie (2): Same. I I didn't give a shit about Blaine.
1:02:051 hour, 2 minutes, 5 secondskyle (2): I don't mind him being the quiet one, because that kind of does make him like, he's like the, he's in the popular rich kid crowd, but he's lower tier, right?
1:02:161 hour, 2 minutes, 16 secondsKatie (2): she says he's not like all of them yeah. kyle (2): Yeah.
1:02:191 hour, 2 minutes, 19 secondsHe's supposed to be like more down to earth or whatever, but I think he's really lower tier because he's not as confident. Katie (2): Mm-hmm.
1:02:271 hour, 2 minutes, 27 secondskyle (2): Like he's, he's soft spoken. He's, he's kind of more of a pussy or whatever, right? Katie (2): Mm-hmm.
1:02:331 hour, 2 minutes, 33 secondskyle (2): but he does have this quiet confidence, like he pursues Andy quite confidently, like was this weird computer thing, which I thought was odd, but I'm like, by the way, you're not doing that.
1:02:421 hour, 2 minutes, 42 secondsYou're not chatting with each other on those and sending images on those computers from the eighties. Katie (2): What kind of chat?
1:02:491 hour, 2 minutes, 49 secondsPrimitive system, but also super high tech for the time.
1:02:531 hour, 2 minutes, 53 secondsWas that in the library? kyle (2): Yeah, it was non-existent. Like even my, the nineties computers I was on in school couldn't do that shit.
1:03:021 hour, 3 minutes, 2 secondsKatie (2): No, we were playing Oregon Trail with a disc.
1:03:051 hour, 3 minutes, 5 secondsfloppy kyle (2): Exactly. Your 1986 computer isn't doing that.
1:03:081 hour, 3 minutes, 8 secondsLike maybe you could send some text through the network maybe, but you're not like showing someone their picture and then your picture and then doing some visual effect with the picture.
1:03:171 hour, 3 minutes, 17 secondsI'm like, mm-hmm.
1:03:181 hour, 3 minutes, 18 secondsKatie (2): It was as though there was internet and there was no internet. What?
1:03:221 hour, 3 minutes, 22 secondskyle (2): like the, the, you could have had a local area network, but I don't think that school would've, and if you did, it'd be a real pain to send
1:03:281 hour, 3 minutes, 28 secondsa message to someone without there was no interface, like it was just this blank screen with yeah, that was odd.
1:03:341 hour, 3 minutes, 34 secondsBut yeah, he has this weird, quiet confidence and then like he takes her to this party.
1:03:401 hour, 3 minutes, 40 secondsOf course it's the house that she was sitting Katie (2): Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. kyle (2): douche bag's house. And these rich kids are all like degenerates doing weird stuff.
1:03:511 hour, 3 minutes, 51 secondsAnd Katie (2): party stuff though, I gotta say that. That seemed pretty relatable.
1:03:561 hour, 3 minutes, 56 secondsI mean, IWI, that was a very eighties version of it, but that didn't seem atypical of like late nineties kyle (2): I think Benny or whatever, dancing around in her underwear in front of people and stuff.
1:04:061 hour, 4 minutes, 6 secondsI don't think that would be that. Yeah.
1:04:091 hour, 4 minutes, 9 secondsPeople making out, I remember making out in front of my friends and I cringe at that now. Katie (2): mean, kids, kyle (2): teenage bullshit. Yeah. Yeah.
1:04:161 hour, 4 minutes, 16 secondsBut then he is like, people just say weird stuff to him and he just takes it.
1:04:211 hour, 4 minutes, 21 secondsOr he goes up to the bedroom and Steph's in there just watching some tunes, like cartoons I don't know.
1:04:291 hour, 4 minutes, 29 secondsThen he's in bed with Benny and they, they decide to take a seat Katie (2): They're just sitting there watching kyle (2): Yeah. He's like, no, come in.
1:04:371 hour, 4 minutes, 37 secondsAnd, and yeah, Blaine isn't like, no, I'm good. See ya. He's like, okay, I'll come in. Like, he, he kind of gave him an order to do that and he had to comply.
1:04:451 hour, 4 minutes, 45 secondsAnd he's, he's like, put in this awkward situation. And you know what that reminds me of? Former president, Lyndon Johnson.
1:04:541 hour, 4 minutes, 54 secondsused Katie (2): I don't remember.
1:04:551 hour, 4 minutes, 55 secondsFormer president Lyndon kyle (2): he used to apparently do stuff to like, make people uncomfortable, to intimidate them. Katie (2): Oh really?
1:05:021 hour, 5 minutes, 2 secondskyle (2): he used to show his dick to people.
1:05:041 hour, 5 minutes, 4 secondsApparently he had a huge dick Katie (2): Lyndon Johnson. kyle (2): yeah, yeah, yeah. Look it up.
1:05:091 hour, 5 minutes, 9 secondsAnd he used to like his aides, he, he would like make them, give him briefings and stuff while he was taking his shit like wi with the door open type of stuff.
1:05:191 hour, 5 minutes, 19 secondsLike he he just put people in these like really awkward positions just to fuck with them. This is what that reminded me of.
1:05:261 hour, 5 minutes, 26 secondsHe's like, oh, no, no, no. Come in.
1:05:281 hour, 5 minutes, 28 secondsAnd then what's, her face comes out and they're in bed and he's just weird, but and he has this drink that looks like three shots in his glass, and I'm like, who drinks who?
1:05:371 hour, 5 minutes, 37 secondsWhat kind of 17-year-old drinks, straight liquor. Like not mixed with anything.
1:05:421 hour, 5 minutes, 42 secondsKatie (2): Well, these rich guys probably are drinking fancy, like scotch and stuff, you know what I kyle (2): Yeah. That's another thing. Like what, what 17-year-old drinks?
1:05:501 hour, 5 minutes, 50 secondsNeat scotch, you know? Katie (2): Rich guys in the eighties do. It was in weird science too.
1:05:561 hour, 5 minutes, 56 secondsBut speaking of like their date and weird, awkward, I didn't buy it at all. Like she, first of all, I don't know why everybody's after her,
1:06:051 hour, 6 minutes, 5 secondsbecause she seems like a wet blanket. kyle (2): Yes, she does. She's studious. She has her own weird style.
1:06:131 hour, 6 minutes, 13 secondsShe was like, Hey, I, I'm not here to get you off, which I respect that. Katie (2): Yeah.
1:06:181 hour, 6 minutes, 18 secondskyle (2): and, but then it's like when he takes her to these hay bales which you may want to edit this out, I was like, I swear to God, I saw like a porn in the nineties on hay bale.
1:06:281 hour, 6 minutes, 28 secondsThis is a very similar hay bale Katie (2): You are like, I recognize this kyle (2): I recognize these hay bales. What the hell? She's like starts making out with them and shit.
1:06:361 hour, 6 minutes, 36 secondsLike I, I feel like they didn't have that much of a, you never see them have a spark or a real connection. Katie (2): not at all.
1:06:431 hour, 6 minutes, 43 secondsI mean, like even at the party, she's being super uptight.
1:06:471 hour, 6 minutes, 47 secondsShe's not, if, if I'm being honest, I wouldn't wanna hang out with her like at the par like, lighten up. You're, you are finally on a date with this guy.
1:06:531 hour, 6 minutes, 53 secondsHe's actually showing you off to his friends and you're being really, I don't know kyle (2): These are all her bullies are in that house. Katie (2): I know,
1:07:011 hour, 7 minutes, 1 secondbut kyle (2): that look down on her. She also has a massive inferiority complex because like she lives in a shitty house.
1:07:081 hour, 7 minutes, 8 secondsThis is like this mansion she's been fantasizing about. Like she does not feel like she doesn't feel safe there essentially.
1:07:151 hour, 7 minutes, 15 secondsLike Katie (2): That's a good kyle (2): on her, like she feels like, oh, I'm white trash. If I were her, I'd want to get the hell out of there. Katie (2): I would too.
1:07:231 hour, 7 minutes, 23 secondsI guess where I was going with this is like we aren't shown really any indication as to why anyone likes her, aside from Ducky. 'cause he grew up with, you know,
1:07:311 hour, 7 minutes, 31 secondslike she's not fun. kyle (2): She's not fun. She's like attractive ish, but not like incredibly attractive.
1:07:391 hour, 7 minutes, 39 secondsAnd yeah, she doesn't have a good, she doesn't really have a sense of humor or like to go and do fun stuff. Oh, I found, one thing I found weird is they seem to go to a bar all the time,
1:07:491 hour, 7 minutes, 49 secondsKatie (2): Yes.
1:07:491 hour, 7 minutes, 49 secondskyle (2): 17 year olds and like they don't card there I guess 'cause they're getting drinks Katie (2): I know I, what is happening? Ducky doesn't get in because, I dunno.
1:07:571 hour, 7 minutes, 57 seconds'cause he is ducky, but these teenagers are going to a punk rock like club where there are also adults.
1:08:051 hour, 8 minutes, 5 secondsAnd I mean, did you recognize the bouncer though, at the club? kyle (2): No. Who, who is he? Katie (2): It was Andrew Dice Clay.
1:08:141 hour, 8 minutes, 14 secondsAre you fam, are you kyle (2): yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Katie (2): And Dweezil Zappa was one of the kids they show like hanging out with with Molly and Iona with the spiky Harris named Simon.
1:08:261 hour, 8 minutes, 26 secondsHe, I guess was Molly Ringwald boyfriend at the time. And he's Frank Zappa's son.
1:08:311 hour, 8 minutes, 31 secondskyle (2): it is odd because I, I found it kind of cool that at least the main character was a pretty much age appropriate, right. Like she was around a senior high school age at Mother Ringold.
1:08:411 hour, 8 minutes, 41 secondsKatie (2): Yeah. kyle (2): And often you see like high schoolers in movies or like 26 year olds.
1:08:471 hour, 8 minutes, 47 secondsSo it's like, in that sense, I found people like I found Spader looked outta place. 'cause of course he wears suits to school.
1:08:551 hour, 8 minutes, 55 secondsKatie (2): Well, all the rich guys are wearing like, straight up like blazers and stuff. yeah, kyle (2): stop talking about that. The whole movie. I'm like, oh, another blazer.
1:09:031 hour, 9 minutes, 3 secondsThis is like the rich person uniform.
1:09:051 hour, 9 minutes, 5 secondsKatie (2): It is kyle (2): This morning I Googled, I'm like, was that a thing in the eighties? Did people wear blazers?
1:09:101 hour, 9 minutes, 10 secondsAnd Katie (2): like Miami Vice, kyle (2): I got mixed results.
1:09:151 hour, 9 minutes, 15 secondsBut I think normal high schoolers did not wear Katie (2): I know it's hard for me to tell in the eighties because the term yuppie, like they were quote unquote yuppies, but they were teenagers, so were rich.
1:09:261 hour, 9 minutes, 26 secondsWas that actually a thing for teenagers to wear?
1:09:291 hour, 9 minutes, 29 secondsAnd then it was cool with like Don Johnson and like in the late eighties with the Miami Vice, like sleeves rolled kyle (2): Yes, my Brittany was talking about that, the sleeves rolled up thing,
1:09:391 hour, 9 minutes, 39 secondsbut it, it seems like in this film, they're like, let's give the rich people a uniform so they could be identified Katie (2): Yeah. kyle (2): like, oh, you have a blazer, you're a rich kid.
1:09:471 hour, 9 minutes, 47 secondsWhich in, in actuality though, like Spader or Steph in the movie would not be going to that school.
1:09:551 hour, 9 minutes, 55 secondsHe would be in private school. Katie (2): You absolutely. Mm-hmm.
1:09:591 hour, 9 minutes, 59 secondskyle (2): would not be going to this bullshit public school, although I'm gonna say Molly Ringwald or Andy, she's in the office with, I don't know if that's a guidance counselor or a principal.
1:10:071 hour, 10 minutes, 7 secondsI think it's more of a counselor. He seemed to make it like she's being sent to this school,
1:10:131 hour, 10 minutes, 13 secondslike she doesn't belong to the Katie (2): Mm-hmm.
1:10:141 hour, 10 minutes, 14 secondskyle (2): And I know there was programs like that in the US often with African American kids. They would be bused to like better schools.
1:10:211 hour, 10 minutes, 21 secondsLike I know that at the beginning of the movie, the Departed, they showed that.
1:10:261 hour, 10 minutes, 26 secondsWhere it's like they show these kids go being busted these nice schools in Boston, and then the locals are like, protesting it, right? Like, we don't want that in our neighborhood.
1:10:341 hour, 10 minutes, 34 secondsAnd I think, like, I'm like, did Mo, did Andy get sent to the school because she's good at school and like, you know, like, let's take a kid from like the
1:10:421 hour, 10 minutes, 42 secondsghetto and then let's give her a chance by having her in this nicer school.
1:10:491 hour, 10 minutes, 49 secondsKatie (2): It sort of did seem like we got clues of that.
1:10:531 hour, 10 minutes, 53 secondsAnd again, I think we, a lot of that, I, I feel like I see that a lot in like eighties and nineties where a smart but poorer kid would fake
1:11:031 hour, 11 minutes, 3 secondswhere they live to get like their zip code to get into a nicer school district or something. kyle (2): yeah.
1:11:101 hour, 11 minutes, 10 secondsAnd the, the only thing is it doesn't make sense 'cause Ducky doesn't appear to be, there's no evidence that he's a good student. The, there's no evidence he's a bad student either.
1:11:191 hour, 11 minutes, 19 secondsSo I guess you could assume he's a good student, but he lives obviously in a bad area and he's at Katie (2): Actually there is evidence that he's a bad student because she's like trying to help him with his paper and she's like, take this seriously.
1:11:281 hour, 11 minutes, 28 secondsDo you, are you purposely trying to fail to stay in high school?
1:11:321 hour, 11 minutes, 32 seconds'cause you don't know what to, what you're gonna kyle (2): Yeah. So it's like he, it, it is interesting like when she didn't want Blaine
1:11:391 hour, 11 minutes, 39 secondsto take her home and she's like, I, I related to that a bit 'cause I was kind of embarrassed to bring friends to my house growing up.
1:11:471 hour, 11 minutes, 47 secondsKatie (2): mm,
1:11:471 hour, 11 minutes, 47 secondskyle (2): 'cause it's not like I lived in a super bad house, but it was not nearly as nice as any of my friends' Katie (2): mm-hmm.
1:11:541 hour, 11 minutes, 54 secondskyle (2): And so it's ah, that's a thing like that that I, I related that one, that one hurt a little bit to watch, but I did find like that odd confrontation where he was like, why wouldn't you let me take you home?
1:12:081 hour, 12 minutes, 8 secondsKatie (2): It wa yeah, I could buy it.
1:12:091 hour, 12 minutes, 9 secondsAt first I thought they went a little too too hard on it 'cause she, he wasn't gonna come into the house.
1:12:141 hour, 12 minutes, 14 secondsShe's just gonna kyle (2): But it's like he knows it's a shit neighborhood though, Katie (2): yeah, yeah, for sure. I.
1:12:181 hour, 12 minutes, 18 secondskyle (2): because, and that, and that kind of goes along with the idea that she's not in that school district or whatever. Katie (2): Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
1:12:251 hour, 12 minutes, 25 secondskyle (2): I think that's one difference in the United States, like to, to a lot of places is like, schools seem to be funded more in the local level.
1:12:321 hour, 12 minutes, 32 secondsLike if, if your neighborhood's poor, your school's poor. Katie (2): It goes according to your property taxes. So that's kind of what funds public schools here.
1:12:421 hour, 12 minutes, 42 secondsI mean, that's a part of what funds it, so a neighborhood that the houses cost a lot. The taxes are higher, so the school gets more. yeah,
1:12:501 hour, 12 minutes, 50 secondskyle (2): yeah. Like where I'm at, it's on the provincial or like what you would be the state level, like education's funded on a little bit of a higher level.
1:12:571 hour, 12 minutes, 57 secondsSo it's like IWII, it, it does.
1:13:011 hour, 13 minutes, 1 secondAnd now granted, I think some school districts are better off than others because, you know, like you can.
1:13:081 hour, 13 minutes, 8 secondscan fund stuff or whatever, but it is a little bit more like, you know? Yeah.
1:13:141 hour, 13 minutes, 14 secondsLike you wouldn't go to a school where there's no textbooks or, you know what I mean?
1:13:181 hour, 13 minutes, 18 secondsWhere it seems like that if you're on like the south side of Chicago, you're kind of fucked. Right? Katie (2): Yeah, like I've been watching Abbott Elementary,
1:13:261 hour, 13 minutes, 26 secondswhich is in Philadelphia kyle (2): show. Yeah,
1:13:281 hour, 13 minutes, 28 secondsKatie (2): So it's very much they're like, can we get like a special desk for our like wheelchair bound student and they like can't get funding for shit like that.
1:13:381 hour, 13 minutes, 38 secondskyle (2): Yeah. That is messed up. 'cause even if you think it's like, oh no handouts to people, it's like, well, kids aren't responsible for like their financial situation 'cause they're kids.
1:13:481 hour, 13 minutes, 48 secondsKatie (2): Yeah. Like school, like a lunch. It's kind of a big political thing here.
1:13:521 hour, 13 minutes, 52 secondsMaybe we should provide children with breakfast and lunch, because then that would make them better students. If they're hungry, they can't think.
1:13:581 hour, 13 minutes, 58 secondsBut, you know, of course that's apparently like a aw woke ideology to give people food. kyle (2): Yeah. But there's always money for like bailouts or guns or whatever.
1:14:081 hour, 14 minutes, 8 secondsYeah, Katie (2): Send war. There's always money for other things. For sure. kyle (2): yeah. You never, Brittany pointed out, you never see Andy eat lunch at school.
1:14:171 hour, 14 minutes, 17 secondsEveryone else Katie (2): do we see them eat lunch. kyle (2): I guess there in, I thought so. I thought there was like a lunchroom scene. Maybe not.
1:14:231 hour, 14 minutes, 23 secondsBut Katie (2): There's kind of like an outdoor scene, but we, we allude to it 'cause ducky kind of jokes like, oh, I'll, I'll go make a reservation by the window at the cafeteria.
1:14:311 hour, 14 minutes, 31 secondskyle (2): yeah, Katie (2): Now, was prom a big deal for when you were going to kyle (2): we don't have prom.
1:14:391 hour, 14 minutes, 39 secondsThere's I feel like high school in America is more showy.
1:14:431 hour, 14 minutes, 43 secondsThere's more stuff like that, like pep rallies and prom and things like that. I feel like we don't have as much of that, which is kind of a shame.
1:14:511 hour, 14 minutes, 51 secondsIt seems like funner for you guys. Like you have like your big, we call it grad, like your big dance at the end, like when you graduate high school.
1:15:001 hour, 15 minutesKatie (2): Okay. kyle (2): the big, that's the big thing. Katie (2): That's essentially prom, kyle (2): Right? Okay. So,
1:15:051 hour, 15 minutes, 5 secondsKatie (2): like an equivalent of kyle (2): Yeah.
1:15:071 hour, 15 minutes, 7 secondsI didn't really know what prom was, but there's you guys have a homecoming dance or something.
1:15:111 hour, 15 minutes, 11 secondsI don't know what that even Katie (2): Yeah, we do have there's usually homecoming is pretty universal and that's in the fall.
1:15:161 hour, 15 minutes, 16 secondsAnd then usually there's some sort of like winter kyle (2): yeah, Katie (2): snowball, some sort of a wintery thing.
1:15:211 hour, 15 minutes, 21 secondsAnd then at the end of the year is prom kyle (2): I wish we had more of that, to be honest. Katie (2): It showcases in these movies especially in the eighties,
1:15:291 hour, 15 minutes, 29 secondslike prom was such a big deal. And like we see her shopping for a dress and it's $650, kyle (2): Oh, okay. We did look that up.
1:15:351 hour, 15 minutes, 35 secondsThat's about 2000 today Katie (2): yeah, nobody's buying.
1:15:391 hour, 15 minutes, 39 secondsNo regular person is spending two grand on a prom dress kyle (2): right? Katie (2): like. kyle (2): That's yeah, I remember that.
1:15:461 hour, 15 minutes, 46 secondsLike, I find like girls would, I don't know how much grad dresses we call grad dress, but like how much that would cost. I have no idea.
1:15:531 hour, 15 minutes, 53 secondsBut it is like, yeah, it's very similar to prom, I think, where it's Katie (2): It's significant.
1:15:571 hour, 15 minutes, 57 secondsIt's a kyle (2): some money out. You do put some money out there. I have no idea what it is, but Yeah, I know. I, I like guys. We'd rent a tuxedo, Katie (2): Yeah.
1:16:051 hour, 16 minutes, 5 secondsUhhuh. kyle (2): which I think is like a couple hundred bucks now.
1:16:081 hour, 16 minutes, 8 secondsIt's Katie (2): Yeah.
1:16:091 hour, 16 minutes, 9 secondsI have no idea how much a tuxedo kyle (2): 'cause like by the gym I go to, there's like a clothing store that sell suits and stuff, but they also do rentals for tuxedos.
1:16:161 hour, 16 minutes, 16 secondsAnd I think it was like 200, 200 and something Canadians, about 200 American or maybe a little not cheap. That's, but yeah. For, for one day.
1:16:251 hour, 16 minutes, 25 secondsLike your, your prom dress, you could get to keep it. Now are you gonna wear it again? Probably not, Katie (2): No, but.
1:16:331 hour, 16 minutes, 33 secondsTo your point about, we have a lot of those, so essentially.
1:16:361 hour, 16 minutes, 36 secondsMaybe I got rid of them, but most women probably have a closet full of probably let's see, three dances per year, like at least 12.
1:16:441 hour, 16 minutes, 44 secondsLike gown type, like dresses like kyle (2): Yeah.
1:16:481 hour, 16 minutes, 48 secondsYou would think there'd be like a big market for used ones that you could buy, like you could buy someone at prom dress from the year earlier or something like that.
1:16:561 hour, 16 minutes, 56 secondsAlthough if I'm, I'm guessing if anyone found out that you did that you'd be Katie (2): No, it's, you gotta show up.
1:17:001 hour, 17 minutesIt's a place to be seen in the, you kyle (2): Yeah. But you, you would think though if you bought a used one, it's basically new, like someone's worn it maybe once.
1:17:091 hour, 17 minutes, 9 secondsKatie (2): But that's last year's fashion, kyle (2): Yes, that's right. Does it change that much though? I don't know.
1:17:151 hour, 17 minutes, 15 secondsKatie (2): But again, you're trying to fit in, so what you end up seeing is all the girls have essentially the same dress in a different color,
1:17:211 hour, 17 minutes, 21 secondsyou know, or sort of kyle (2): it's big business 'cause like, our big thing here is West Edmonton Mall, which used to be the biggest mall in the world up until like, uh, yeah, yeah.
1:17:301 hour, 17 minutes, 30 secondsIt's like, it's built by the same, like the people who built Mall of America, built West Edmonton Mall. Like, it's like these Iranian guys that live here in Edmonton.
1:17:391 hour, 17 minutes, 39 secondsKatie (2): No idea.
1:17:401 hour, 17 minutes, 40 secondskyle (2): yeah, it's like, and it's still I think it's the biggest mall in North America still, but anyway, it's, it has 600 stores and there's four, four of these dress places, I swear like in a row.
1:17:521 hour, 17 minutes, 52 secondsThere's like a big hallway in this one part of the mall where they just sell ceremonial dresses and these businesses run like year round. Katie (2): Mm-hmm.
1:18:011 hour, 18 minutes, 1 secondkyle (2): And I think it's like they have some of this like Indian stuff too that style, but still like, it, Katie (2): Or for quinceaneras like those dresses are pretty fancy.
1:18:111 hour, 18 minutes, 11 secondskyle (2): But yeah, there is like a big, it is a big market, you know, and you don't like, you don't think about it until you have to. Experience it.
1:18:181 hour, 18 minutes, 18 secondsBut yeah, I I could see Andy like her struggle when she goes there.
1:18:231 hour, 18 minutes, 23 secondsI think she said like early on she got one of her outfits for $15 and then she said they were like six 50.
1:18:321 hour, 18 minutes, 32 secondsKatie (2): She wore to your point, she kind of created her own dress out of a secondhand dress. Um, kyle (2): it her friend's prom dress from the sixties? Is it that one?
1:18:401 hour, 18 minutes, 40 secondsLike that pink one? Katie (2): Mm-hmm.
1:18:421 hour, 18 minutes, 42 secondsThat she, it was really hideous, but we see her kind of make, you know, 'cause that's her thing. She, she sews and she makes, makes it her own.
1:18:491 hour, 18 minutes, 49 secondsBut that was the most hideous dress I've ever seen in my kyle (2): I agreed. I agreed. When I first saw that, I was just like, Katie (2): I think Molly hated it too.
1:18:561 hour, 18 minutes, 56 secondsI feel like I read that kyle (2): one thing Brittany said when I was talking to her about this is she liked that Andy never had to change.
1:19:051 hour, 19 minutes, 5 secondsYou know, like it's not one of those ones where it's like the ugly duckling gets a makeover and is now the hot girl. Katie (2): Yes.
1:19:141 hour, 19 minutes, 14 secondskyle (2): stayed true to herself the whole time. And yes, that dress was ugly, but it's like the important thing was like, she liked it, she felt good at it.
1:19:221 hour, 19 minutes, 22 secondsIt was her style, and she was confident to go there in that.
1:19:261 hour, 19 minutes, 26 secondsAnd I think it would've been disappointing to a degree if she somehow worked this miracle with that dress and it looked like all the other girls' dresses. Katie (2): Great point.
1:19:341 hour, 19 minutes, 34 secondskyle (2): girl. Like she could, she, she would've kind of sold out. Katie (2): Yes. I'm glad you didn't too. I That's a really good point.
1:19:421 hour, 19 minutes, 42 secondsDo you feel like that sort of like class, the really big class divide, do you think that's like a dated thing or do you think that's still in play in high schools?
1:19:501 hour, 19 minutes, 50 secondskyle (2): I don't know.
1:19:511 hour, 19 minutes, 51 secondsI Katie (2): I wondered if Lena had, I wondered if she had thoughts on kyle (2): you know what's interesting? So, the junior high she's in right now.
1:19:591 hour, 19 minutes, 59 secondsIs kind of far from her house because she's currently doing schooling in French. We're pulling, we're we're, she's going to English next year.
1:20:071 hour, 20 minutes, 7 seconds'cause it's like, it's, it's kind of too much. But she's done school in French from like K to seven now.
1:20:121 hour, 20 minutes, 12 secondsWhich is not super uncommon here in Canada because it's like a, it's supposed to be
1:20:171 hour, 20 minutes, 17 secondsa bilingual country, but anyways, so the nearest French immersion school is kind
1:20:241 hour, 20 minutes, 24 secondsof far away and it's in like a really rich area and like, we're not poor, but it's like we're not we're not wealthy either.
1:20:331 hour, 20 minutes, 33 secondsRight. So she's kind of the poor kid at her school and I don't feel like she has much of a chip on her shoulder about it.
1:20:431 hour, 20 minutes, 43 secondsI think she does a little bit. A little bit. And even me, like I grew up where it was kind of more like that. I don't think it was as bad.
1:20:521 hour, 20 minutes, 52 secondsI think this movie is kind of more of an exaggerated, because I don't, I didn't grow up around anyone like stiff, like not that Katie (2): Yeah, it is exaggerated, of course.
1:21:031 hour, 21 minutes, 3 secondsYou know, it's, it's very tropey in that way, but, kyle (2): But yeah, I think, I think it's a little, I'd say it's less like that now.
1:21:101 hour, 21 minutes, 10 secondsI think we're less materialistic now than we were in the eighties. Katie (2): it's just different. It's in a different way, I feel like.
1:21:181 hour, 21 minutes, 18 secondsBut also there are, there were a few things that I noticed about this that really dates the movie.
1:21:231 hour, 21 minutes, 23 secondsDid you notice certain insult terms that they kyle (2): Oh yes.
1:21:271 hour, 21 minutes, 27 secondsMy, my like when they said the F word ending in T Katie (2): the R word kyle (2): yeah, yeah. When they said that my daughter was like shocked.
1:21:381 hour, 21 minutes, 38 secondsWhich is funny 'cause when I was in junior high that, that word is fair game. Katie (2): It was, yeah.
1:21:431 hour, 21 minutes, 43 secondsIt's just, it's wild looking back, like over time we've grown thankfully, but now watch, like that was not, that was totally normal
1:21:521 hour, 21 minutes, 52 secondsfor kyle (2): I, I said that word all the time. Katie (2): Yeah.
1:21:551 hour, 21 minutes, 55 secondsSo kyle (2): the time. Or like you would say, like if something's bad oh, that's gay. Katie (2): Yeah. Yeah.
1:22:001 hour, 22 minuteskyle (2): And I remember my friend giving me a hard time about that Katie (2): Really.
1:22:051 hour, 22 minutes, 5 secondsBut you shouldn't say kyle (2): yeah. And I was like, this guy's so uptight. But he was right. Katie (2): He was right. He was right. kyle (2): I was wrong.
1:22:121 hour, 22 minutes, 12 secondsHe was ahead of his time and I, I wasn't yeah, R word.
1:22:161 hour, 22 minutes, 16 secondsSo if someone dropped the R word in the lunchroom the other day at work and he got jumped on for that, like people did not, people were not having that.
1:22:241 hour, 22 minutes, 24 secondsI, I'm in a fairly left-leaning workplace.
1:22:261 hour, 22 minutes, 26 secondsMind you, I think if I like, 'cause I'm like the oil industry, it's, I live in a fairly blue collar city and I think some of those more blue collar environments,
1:22:361 hour, 22 minutes, 36 secondspeople are dropping the R word Katie (2): Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. kyle (2): slurs still, Katie (2): Yeah. Yeah. I mm-hmm. kyle (2): but I'd say in schools here.
1:22:451 hour, 22 minutes, 45 secondsYou can't be saying that anymore Katie (2): No, no, no.
1:22:491 hour, 22 minutes, 49 secondskyle (2): or Katie (2): not. Also, can you smoke in your schools? Is this a thing that happens?
1:22:541 hour, 22 minutes, 54 secondsThe kyle (2): in, in, in not, not really.
1:22:581 hour, 22 minutes, 58 secondsKatie (2): I'm, I'm joking kyle (2): Oh yeah, we had smoking areas at school. Katie (2): for the students. kyle (2): Yeah, yeah,
1:23:051 hour, 23 minutes, 5 secondsKatie (2): you were in high school,
1:23:071 hour, 23 minutes, 7 secondskyle (2): yeah, Like it wasn't inside the building, but it was like a certain area outside the building was the smoking area that students could smoke in Katie (2): you are younger than me.
1:23:151 hour, 23 minutes, 15 secondsThat's wild to me.
1:23:161 hour, 23 minutes, 16 secondskyle (2): or we had this thing called, okay, so my mom went to the same high school and there was this area called the Pit, and it was literally like kind of like a bit of a pit.
1:23:261 hour, 23 minutes, 26 secondsLike you walk two or three steps down and it was just this big circle area and it was surrounded by just a few steps, kind of like
1:23:331 hour, 23 minutes, 33 secondsthose sunken living room things and Katie (2): Yeah, I can see. kyle (2): but it was quite large. It was like maybe half the size of a basketball court.
1:23:401 hour, 23 minutes, 40 secondsAnd that used to be the smoking area in the school in the Katie (2): That's wild.
1:23:441 hour, 23 minutes, 44 secondsWell, I can see in the seventies, but dude, like kyle (2): but yeah, in the nineties they, they moved that to, to outside. You had to go outside to smoke.
1:23:521 hour, 23 minutes, 52 secondsBut even in my, like I went to a junior high high school, there was a smoking area that was like a designated student smoking area Katie (2): that is so wild to me.
1:24:001 hour, 24 minuteskyle (2): because you could buy cigarettes. I think it's 16 here, Katie (2): you could when, I don't know. I don't think you can now.
1:24:071 hour, 24 minutes, 7 secondsI think it's probably kyle (2): or I think it's 18. I think maybe now it's 18.
1:24:101 hour, 24 minutes, 10 secondsBut I think back then 16 year olds could buy smokes.
1:24:121 hour, 24 minutes, 12 secondsNo Katie (2): same.
1:24:131 hour, 24 minutes, 13 secondsSo we see smoking inside the school, just indoors smoking in the school, and then they, they just step kyle (2): it once in the bathroom.
1:24:211 hour, 24 minutes, 21 secondsLike when, when ducky gets thrown into the bathroom by those bullies,
1:24:251 hour, 24 minutes, 25 secondslike into the women's bathroom, you see a girl smoking by the mirror there, which is like a common. Katie (2): In the bathroom.
1:24:331 hour, 24 minutes, 33 secondskyle (2): where you smoke in the bathroom and that tells me you're not actually supposed to be smoking in the school 'cause other, otherwise why would you be doing that in the bathroom?
1:24:421 hour, 24 minutes, 42 secondsAnd I feel like Steph smokes in the school 'cause he just doesn't give a fuck. Katie (2): That's a good point. Andy's friend does it too though. In the in gym class.
1:24:501 hour, 24 minutes, 50 secondsShe's, her friend is smoking and kyle (2): with like the lesbian gym, gym instructor or, Katie (2): Again, so trophies, so trophy.
1:25:001 hour, 25 minutesI will say what this movie has in its favor, given all of its dated ness, is there are a lot of characters with gender neutral names in this movie.
1:25:081 hour, 25 minutes, 8 secondskyle (2): yeah, I didn't think about that. But you're right Steph. I did find Steph Odd. And Andy I also thought was weird. Katie (2): Andy Blaine.
1:25:171 hour, 25 minutes, 17 secondsBenny, Steph. kyle (2): Yeah, you're right. Katie (2): I feel like there's a few. kyle (2): I knew a, a guy named Lindsay in junior high who was an asshole.
1:25:261 hour, 25 minutes, 26 secondsBut I feel like there wasn't as much a gender neutral names growing up. Katie (2): Yeah. I, I really noticed it in this movie.
1:25:321 hour, 25 minutes, 32 secondsI'm like, okay, you're thrown around the F word, but at least those gender neutral names kyle (2): Do you find now that like our names are considered like old
1:25:391 hour, 25 minutes, 39 secondspeople, older people names like I don't, maybe not Katie, but no one names no kid Kyle anymore,
1:25:461 hour, 25 minutes, 46 secondsor apparently Ashley is like a, the new Karen type of name. Katie (2): really? I can see that though.
1:25:531 hour, 25 minutes, 53 secondsI kyle (2): call like a millennial. Like a millennial. Karen and Ashley. Katie (2): Yep. I, that totally tracks, to be honest with you.
1:26:011 hour, 26 minutes, 1 secondIt's funny 'cause now I can see like my nieces 13, like the, all the kids in her school, like what their names are and they're gonna end up being the, the Ashley or the Karen or the whatever.
1:26:101 hour, 26 minutes, 10 secondskyle (2): Yeah, but it's like we're like now, like the Gertrude and Chester and Katie (2): come back around. It'll, it will come back around.
1:26:181 hour, 26 minutes, 18 seconds'cause they always do. Like Henry is has come like a lot of names like that have come back around. Yeah, I wish you had seen some kind of wonderful 'cause.
1:26:261 hour, 26 minutes, 26 secondsI'm curious what your thoughts are in comparison. I think it's superior. I feel like Pretty And Pink is more culturally famous. Like it's more people have heard of that.
1:26:331 hour, 26 minutes, 33 secondskyle (2): Even I had heard of it. Katie (2): Yeah.
1:26:361 hour, 26 minutes, 36 secondsBut some kind of wonderful has like gained reevaluation over time and I think it probably ages a little bit better. It's more emotionally mature.
1:26:451 hour, 26 minutes, 45 secondsThe version of Blaine in some kind of wonderful is Amanda.
1:26:491 hour, 26 minutes, 49 secondsAnd I think she, to your point about you wanted to learn more about some of these characters, she's, I think she's a better written character in some kind of wonderful
1:26:571 hour, 26 minutes, 57 secondskyle (2): I don't think any of the characters in Purine Pink were very well written there's not a lot of depth to any of them.
1:27:021 hour, 27 minutes, 2 secondsLike I find them all fairly superficial and it, it's a shame like, but what are you gonna do? It's funny 'cause it's like the breakfast club was like the total opposite.
1:27:121 hour, 27 minutes, 12 secondsKatie (2): Mm-hmm. kyle (2): God was his name Bender. Like the, Katie (2): John Bender. Yeah. The. kyle (2): Yeah. Like you, you find out there's depth to him.
1:27:191 hour, 27 minutes, 19 secondsYou find out more about him, like why he is the way he is, like his abusive dad. Like you, you learn about it.
1:27:261 hour, 27 minutes, 26 secondsLike you have these people who are all these, you, you throw all the stereotypes into a room and they learn about each other and there's more to you than just the stereotype.
1:27:381 hour, 27 minutes, 38 secondsKatie (2): That kyle (2): movie, isn't that at all? Katie (2): Yeah, no, totally.
1:27:431 hour, 27 minutes, 43 secondsWell that movie, it is, it's known for its writing and also it's just very dialogue heavy. They're all just in a room, the whole movie.
1:27:501 hour, 27 minutes, 50 secondsLike they don't go anywhere or just basically.
1:27:521 hour, 27 minutes, 52 secondsBut yeah, and ducky in this is sort of unfortunate because he's like more loud and performative and so people for whatever reason seem there's like a division about should Andy have ended up with Ducky versus Blaine.
1:28:071 hour, 28 minutes, 7 secondsWhereas in some kind of wonderful Watts is the, the girl, you know, basically ducky the, the ducky version.
1:28:151 hour, 28 minutes, 15 secondsAnd she's very like reserved and emotionally grounded and very loyal. So I think it's very easy.
1:28:221 hour, 28 minutes, 22 secondsThere's no question that Keith should have ended up with kyle (2): Ducky is annoying. He, he annoyed me.
1:28:261 hour, 28 minutes, 26 secondsI didn't say to me, when I saw the character, it's like he's not a bad person or anything like that, but he's like, this guy would never hang out with him.
1:28:341 hour, 28 minutes, 34 secondsLike he's just way too much for me. Katie (2): Yeah. Yeah. A lot.
1:28:381 hour, 28 minutes, 38 secondskyle (2): And I could see that's why people wouldn't want him to be with her because it's like they didn't feel like endeared to him in the first place. At least I didn't, I dunno.
1:28:471 hour, 28 minutes, 47 secondsKatie (2): What other observations or comments, since you watched it with your wife and daughter what stuck out to you guys? kyle (2): Okay.
1:28:541 hour, 28 minutes, 54 secondsI've said a lot of them, it's I know for my daughter, she didn't super like the film in general. Katie (2): That doesn't surprise me. kyle (2): Like I don't think she find it, found it very relatable.
1:29:031 hour, 29 minutes, 3 secondsShe didn't like the end.
1:29:051 hour, 29 minutes, 5 secondsIt was funny for her to make fun of people's clothes and hairstyles and stuff like that. I found it a little nostalgic.
1:29:131 hour, 29 minutes, 13 secondsIt reminded me of women I would see in my childhood, Katie (2): Mm-hmm.
1:29:181 hour, 29 minutes, 18 secondskyle (2): like the, you know, like my earlier memories would be probably from 1987 onwards.
1:29:231 hour, 29 minutes, 23 secondsBut, so it's like, I remember the late eighties and I remember women looking like this or talking like this. And I found like the. People's cadence was different in that movie than it's now.
1:29:311 hour, 29 minutes, 31 secondsPeople talk differently, they have a different tone. They like, they say things differently and I can't really express specifics on that, Katie (2): Mm-hmm. I know what you mean though.
1:29:391 hour, 29 minutes, 39 secondskyle (2): but like when they talk it's not the same.
1:29:421 hour, 29 minutes, 42 secondsAnd same with like rule, you know, like you have that transatlantic accent when they're talking like this on the films and it's like, there's just something about it. It's like it, things change over time.
1:29:501 hour, 29 minutes, 50 secondsAnd you know, I felt like overall though, I wouldn't say the movie aged poorly.
1:29:581 hour, 29 minutes, 58 secondsI'd say I didn't find it that cheesy. And I find like a lot of eighties movies are really cheesy. Katie (2): Mm-hmm.
1:30:051 hour, 30 minutes, 5 secondskyle (2): I just found although it didn't age poorly, I don't think it was that good when it came out.
1:30:101 hour, 30 minutes, 10 secondsKatie (2): I kyle (2): I don't think, yeah, like it's kind of like the American cheese of movies. Like you can eat it, but it's like, it's nothing special. You know what I mean?
1:30:191 hour, 30 minutes, 19 secondsKatie (2): I agree. I totally agree.
1:30:221 hour, 30 minutes, 22 secondsI don't know why it's so known, like culturally known, but I find very few people love it. You know, it's, everyone always points to the Breakfast Club or,
1:30:331 hour, 30 minutes, 33 secondsor Ferris Bueller, you know, for, in terms of John Hughes, so kyle (2): that is interesting.
1:30:381 hour, 30 minutes, 38 secondsI don't know, maybe like parts of it, maybe the cost divide speaks to people or I think also Molly Ringwald is just like kind of, she's likable.
1:30:491 hour, 30 minutes, 49 secondsPeople like her, they like the stuff she's in.
1:30:521 hour, 30 minutes, 52 secondsAnd I think maybe because it, it's adjacent to something like the Breakfast Club and it like when I, when you said it had suggestions for movies for us
1:31:001 hour, 31 minutesto review, I hadn't seen any of them, so I had to pick one I think I would like, and I think the reason I picked. Pretty in pink.
1:31:081 hour, 31 minutes, 8 secondsIt's 'cause it was a Molly Ringwald film close to in time, to the Breakfast Club. Katie (2): Yes, kyle (2): And so it's like, okay, I'll, I'll give this a shot.
1:31:171 hour, 31 minutes, 17 secondsAnd I think maybe, maybe that has something to do with its popularity. Katie (2): well said.
1:31:241 hour, 31 minutes, 24 secondsYeah, it is her third movie in a row that is very similar with John Hughes.
1:31:291 hour, 31 minutes, 29 secondsBut yeah, she, she definitely was a, a part of the culture in, in the mid eighties for sure.
1:31:361 hour, 31 minutes, 36 secondsAlright, Kyle thank you so much for joining me on Pretty In Pink and you did pretty good on the trivia, I gotta be honest.
1:31:421 hour, 31 minutes, 42 secondsConsidering for 1986 you have any final thoughts or where can we find more of you? Hint, hint.
1:31:501 hour, 31 minutes, 50 secondskyle (2): Well, my, you can go to, to, to Kyle at night at OnlyFans. That's where my it's only 3 99 a month to subscribe. I think it's pretty reasonable.
1:31:591 hour, 31 minutes, 59 secondsKatie (2): It is pretty reasonable. kyle (2): I'm very interactive.
1:32:011 hour, 32 minutes, 1 secondI'm very friendly or not so friendly, depending on what you like, but uh, not really. One more round, the Rocky Series podcast.
1:32:091 hour, 32 minutes, 9 secondsthat's where you can see Katie and I, and this, this guy named Ryan. He's, he's all right. that's, that's pretty much my only online presence, though.
1:32:191 hour, 32 minutes, 19 secondsto keep a low, my only fans in one more round is really all I do. Katie (2): That's quite a bit. I mean, I bet your OnlyFans keeps you quite busy.
1:32:281 hour, 32 minutes, 28 secondsBut yes, teasing aside, yeah, Ryan puts up with us every other week if you like the rocky movies that you can fight it on YouTube
1:32:351 hour, 32 minutes, 35 secondskyle (2): And if you don't like the Rocky movies, reevaluate Katie (2): yeah.
1:32:391 hour, 32 minutes, 39 secondsWhat are you doing with your life if you kyle (2): if you think it's just a dumb boxing movie. Look again, look more carefully. One best picture for a reason people. Katie (2): It did.
1:32:471 hour, 32 minutes, 47 secondsThat is our look back at Pretty and Pink, a movie that's equal, part style angst, and oh so eighties.
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