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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Wholehouse. So, of course, I like covering the, you know, the news of the day and what's happening with, you know, whether it's Trump or, you know, more importantly, I think that the bigger picture of the globalist takeover of the world and the indications that whether it's a pandemic tree or the next COVID pandemic or whatever it is, but I also love delving into the topics that make you scratch your head and say, there's a lot of very broad implications if that one's true. And that's exactly what today's story is. So I'm interviewing today, a guest named Ashton Forbes, who maybe you've seen, but he has blown up on Twitter in the past, say, six to eight months or so as this guy who's been researching what actually happened to the Malaysian plane.
Seth Holehouse:Think it's MH370, if I remember correctly. The plane has disappeared. Well, there are these videos that came out. Actually, I'll go and play one for you real quick, because this is interesting. This is, this sets the sets the stage.
Seth Holehouse:So there's these videos that emerge, and here you go to show one to you, of and these videos were released, like, back in 02/2014, but then they're everyone said they were quickly debunked, and everyone forgot about them. But he's come back to them, and this is reemerged. And so basically, what it looks like is he's there you see the plane disappearing, is that everything points to that this was some sort of military operation to capture and seize this airplane using advanced technology. And so he's he's gonna explain it really well, but this the real story is not necessarily what happened to the plane, but the real story is what technology is this? Who's in control of it?
Seth Holehouse:Who's controlling the satellites that are watching this? What are the bigger picture implications of this? So this is gonna be a fun interview. He's a very, very smart guy. Very well spoken.
Seth Holehouse:I think you're gonna really enjoy it. So folks, please enjoy this interview with Ashton Forbes. Hey, folks. I've got a quick message for you. So I'm sure you've heard a lot of people, myself included, talking about the importance of buying precious metals, gold and silver.
Seth Holehouse:But what's really behind that? Is it just a thing of, hey. Buy this gold. Buy this silver. Right?
Seth Holehouse:Or is there something deeper that we should be looking at? So I recently came across some figures about house prices. So in 1930, the average family home was approximately $4,000. Fast forward to 02/2023, the average family home is just over $400,000. You have to ask yourself, why is that?
Seth Holehouse:Is it because things have just gotten more expensive? No. It's actually because the dollar has lost 99% of its value since 1930. Right? When people talk about the collapse of the dollar or inflation, this is what it means.
Seth Holehouse:Now let's take a look at gold. So in 1930, if you wanted to purchase your home in gold, it would take approximately 200 gold coins. So 200 gold coins would purchase the average family home in 1930, about $4,000. Now if you instead of buying a home with that gold or cash, you set those aside. If you set aside $4,000 in cash in 1930, it would be worth $4,000 today.
Seth Holehouse:What can you buy with $4,000? Can you buy a family home? No. You can't even buy a a crappy used car. But if you set aside $4,000 worth of gold coins in 1930, which is 200 gold coins, 1 ounce coins, that would be worth approximately $400,000 today.
Seth Holehouse:And this is the key lesson about precious metals. It's not about getting rich. It's about putting your money into an asset that protects you against inflation and against the destruction of the currency, which is what happens to all fiat currencies, especially now. We're in the end days of the dollar. And so that's why it's important, maybe not all of your money, but a portion of your money, a portion of what you have, I highly recommend putting it into precious metals of gold and silver.
Seth Holehouse:Because what it's doing is it's protecting you. This is an asset that has stood the test of time, not just stood the test of time since the nineteen thirties. We're talking about the rise and fall of civilizations. Gold was used to buy houses back in ancient Rome. It's still around.
Seth Holehouse:It's an asset that will forever have its value. So folks, if you want to do this and you need someone you can trust, there's no person I can recommend more than doctor Kirk Elliott. He's a very good friend of mine. He's a strong Christian patriot, and he's out to really help people to protect their savings and what you've worked for against the destruction of the dollar, not to mention also protecting it against the dangers of a central bank digital currencies. So to learn more about this, go to goldwithseth.com or call (720) 605-3900.
Seth Holehouse:Again, that's goldwithseth.com or (720) 605-3900. Both those places will allow you to set up a quick appointment where you can talk to a wealth adviser that will help get you started on this path. Again, goldwithseth.com, 7 2 0 6 0 5 3 9 0 zero. Ashton, it is great to have you on the show. Thank you so much for being here with us today.
Speaker 2:Thanks, Seth. I'm glad to be here and glad to be here with your audience. Appreciate you guys.
Seth Holehouse:Absolutely. So it's funny because, you you know, we we all remember, most of us probably do, when the mysterious airplane Malaysian Air. It was Malaysian Air. Right? Is that the airline carrier?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Malaysian Airlines flight 370.
Seth Holehouse:There you go. Disappeared. And it was there's always conspiracies about it, but like most things in the news, give it a little bit of time. Everyone forgets about it. And I've forgotten about it until I started seeing you everywhere.
Seth Holehouse:And these videos of you everywhere talking about how there's these videos that surface on the Internet of these UFO looking orbs making the plane disappear, and it was wild. But like, I've I've I've gone down these rabbit holes before, so, you know, I I don't I'm I'm very difficult. It's very hard for me to look at something and say that's retarded. Not gonna look at it. I always say, okay, what's there?
Seth Holehouse:I dig into it, and I think you've done that to like the the x degree. So let's just let's just dive in because I think that from what I'm seeing, you honed in on this disappearances aircraft in these videos. But through that, you've unlocked, like, massive doors and understanding hidden technology, forbidden technology, you know, secret government space operations. I mean, this is just open Pandora's box. So how about we start just with the video of the plane and what and and the basis for where you're at with it.
Seth Holehouse:What will you explain, like, the basis of the videos so people understand what we're talking about and then where where it goes from there.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So as a quick overview, the m h three seven zero videos had reemerged on social media back in August, early August. They date back to 2014. They've been shown to date back on the way back machine. Many people have testified having seen them back in 2014.
Speaker 2:I actually would testify having seen the drone video in 2014. And back then, nobody thought this is possible to be real. It was just too far out there. No one even knew what we were looking at back then. We had no basis to even understand what we were looking at.
Speaker 2:But when the videos reemerged, I remember seeing the drone video, and it kind of triggered little deja vu in my head and went, wait. I I remember seeing that. Is that like, you know, I I hadn't seen that in ten years. And then these I saw the second video, and people started pointing out they're in perfect synchronization with one another, the satellite video and the drone video. And this is when a lot of people's interest got piqued, including my own.
Speaker 2:And people started doing very detailed analysis on these videos. I just posted some of the earliest detailed analysis that was done by somebody who had experience with satellite imagery that had computer experience with computer modeling and programming as well as they were a pilot. And they showed that the satellite video is consistent with real satellite imagery. And in their opinion, they believed that it must be real. It might be edited, but must be real.
Speaker 2:And and I think the biggest thing for when I got invested was when people showed that the mouse that we see come on across the screen means that the video is consistent with a remote terminal Citrix session. Meaning that somebody was logged in to a remote database, presumably the spy satellite database. And I had already figured out they were doing a screen recording. Because when I was analyzing the videos myself, I realized it wasn't somebody with a camera like you see with a lot of leak videos, somebody filming a screen. It was It was an actual screen recording, and you could tell that the mouse comes in from the top right and goes off the bottom left, which indicated they were cropping the field of view as well.
Speaker 2:And so when I saw that it was consistent with a Citrix session, the frame rate of the mouse being different than the background, I thought, woah. That's right alone proof that this is nothing like any other hoax videos. And I don't think there's ever been any hoax videos that have two different perspectives, completely different perspectives and perfect synchronization with no discrepancies on a single frame of either video. And that's when I started to report on basically all the analysis that I saw on social media. The there was a VFX comparison that came out, which just recently, the last two days.
Speaker 2:We have proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that this VFX comparison was fabricated and planted on the Internet back in January of twenty twenty three, '8 months before the videos reemerged. This shows malicious intent of somebody having found an asset that has a similar shape to what we see in the drone video and planting that comparison on the Internet to be found later on in case these videos were ever to reemerge. That comparison, which was posted by a one day old Reddit account that needed manual permission to build a post, that was promoted by Mick West, the Corridor crew, the Lore Lodge, others, objectively does not match. And this is the comparison that shows. This was used to ban all discussion of the videos going forward.
Speaker 2:People were authenticating every aspect of the videos on social media, and it had to be stopped because what we see in these videos with the orbs floating around them, The science behind them is real science that has been suppressed from everybody in the world that shows antigravitational technology as well as space time manipulation technology that would imply free energy for the entire world. And this type of technology, like you pointed out, I think you could classify it as forbidden technology. Technology that the governments of the world cannot let the peasants like us have access to. It would give us unlimited freedom from the government. If you don't need energy anymore.
Speaker 2:And it shows a level of deception and cover up that I think that many people in this world are not ready to accept. The idea that the, governments of the world, the United States government can disappear an airliner, commercial airliner in 2014 with all of our surveillance capabilities and employ all the medias, the Western media to lie about it to people. And everybody just accepts a fake story of some ridiculous pilot suicide that has literally no evidence to support it. And and take that information, and then the deception of how far this technology goes back is potentially decades that I've dug into. So in my opinion, this is the biggest verifiable conspiracy in the history of the world.
Speaker 2:Beyond just 239 people being potentially kidnapped or whatever happened to them, the technology behind it as well, you could argue, is a crime against humanity that we might be living in a golden age right now if we actually had access to this technology ten, twenty, or more years ago. So that's why I'm an advocate for these videos. I have never asked anybody for money. I have never sold any books or anything related to these videos ever. I didn't make the videos, and I'm not any type of government agent or disinformation operative out there.
Speaker 2:My only goal has been to spread the evidence around m h three seven zero to the to the world and to get the science out into the public so that people can begin to understand what we're really dealing with.
Seth Holehouse:Which is really important because my for through my research and my belief of how the world works, I think that we've been the reality that we see I mean, mean, you know, Plato's allegory of the cave, I think, perfectly describes how much of the real world we're we're being shown, you know, technology, medicine, even religion, spirituality. We've been we've been kind of funneled into this very limited view of how things work, and what I think that what you're doing represents is a chink in the armor. It's it's that crack in the cave maybe that someone saw through it, and there's some light coming through. It's like, wait, there's something out there. They don't want us to see.
Seth Holehouse:And so basically, I wanna pull up these original videos. So as as I understand it, these videos were released back around 2014. Someone dumped them up onto, you know, a forum or something on the online, and they're quickly dismissed, forgotten about, but then they reemerged. So it's almost as if somebody was on the inside, They knew what really happened. They took a video of what really happened.
Seth Holehouse:They anonymously put it out on the internet, hoping someone like you would come along and do enough research to verify this. And thankfully, have Twitter, you know, which you've blown up on, so we can get this information out there. So I'm gonna play should I play this with the stereoscopic or the thermal video first?
Speaker 2:Yeah. And we you can play this one. And we've identified this leaker as lieutenant commander Edward C. Lynn, who went to prison in 02/2016 and got a nine year sentence. The government was afraid of the case going to trial because they were afraid that they might have to release what the information was that he leaked.
Speaker 2:And the defense argued the classified information in question was available on the Internet. I think he thought the media would pick up on these videos because in the bottom left, it says NROL 22, which is the first launch of the SBIRS system in 02/2005, maybe 02/2006. Apologize. And there's coordinates. The coordinates are extremely damning.
Speaker 2:The coordinates are the real location of MH 370, and this video was published on 05/19/2014. But the raw telemetry data wasn't made available in a 47 page report until 05/27/2014, '8 or '9 days later. This means that this the hoaxer would have had to been psychic to know where to put this plane or just made a completely random guess and guessed correctly to and I think that the person that leaked these videos knew that that was a % proof, but they didn't realize the United States government controls the media, and the media was never gonna touch this. So this that video that we saw there, we see these cumulus clouds in the background, which indicate there's a very low altitude that this plane is flying at.
Seth Holehouse:Folks, I have a quick message for you. Look. The twenty twenty four election is do or die for the globalist and communists that had infiltrated our country and are currently running it. And they either have to win or they're going to destroy America so nothing is left either way. And if you're the person that's watching this show and following this information, unfortunately, you have the weight on your shoulders of making sure that your family is prepared, especially as we head in to this next year and this next election cycle because unfortunately, I think it's gonna get rough.
Seth Holehouse:And one of the ways I know they're going to target us is through our food supply. You can see all the food factories burned down, you can see the warnings of coming famines and food shortages and everything like that. And food is one of the number one ways totalitarian regimes have always used to control the populations destroy the food supply. So if you don't have at least two, three, four, five, six months worth of stored food, I highly recommend you take that very seriously. Because look, as I mentioned, if you're the person that's watching this, you're the person that carries the burden of making sure your family is prepared.
Seth Holehouse:I would recommend at least six months, if not a year of storable food. So if things go haywire, whether it's grid down or terrorist attack from what's coming across the border, that your family can safely stay in place and you can feed your family. So folks today, go to heavensharvest.com and make sure you get your storable food that'll last for up to twenty five years. Just in case things go south, you know that you have what's gonna take to feed your family, which is so so critical for us to get through this next stage of history. So go to heavensharvest.com today, order your food that'll last up to twenty five years and use promo code Seth to save 15% on your entire order.
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Speaker 2:The plane is potentially descending. So not only do we have these videos with these orbs circling the plane, but there was a witness there as well. We have identified a fire event, which explains the smoke coming out of the back of the plane there. And the there's also a Mayday call. It was only reported in China Times that said that this plane was attempting an emergency landing and disintegrating.
Speaker 2:So we have actually have three sources of corroboration that what we see in these videos is consistent. The witness who was in a boat, well, actually, was in that area and saw the plane saw the plane glowing orange, which is consistent with the bromine from the Halon fight thirteen o one fire extinguishing gas releasing sorry. 13 o one releasing bromine, which is an orange halogen gas, And she saw it descending as well with black smoke coming out of the back of it. So we have all this corroboration of the video potentially being real. I think that the only thing that's really holding people back is this idea of, well, what's going on with these orbs?
Speaker 2:Can we? These orbs are defying gravity. They have no g forces at all. And that's where the second video comes in. Is that the second video says, received 06/05/2014 and published 06/12/2014, which is a couple weeks later.
Speaker 2:It's in perfect synchronization with the first video, and it shows it from a completely different perspective. And in both videos, we can see very highly detailed volumetric clouds. And yes, in the satellite video, the clouds do move. They actually evolve naturally. It's been proven multiple times over.
Speaker 2:A lot of people don't realize what clouds would look like at a very long distance over a short period of time. This requires a full three d rendered environment in order to pull this off, which would be practically impossible in 2014 given the short time frame. And once again, there's no discrepancies. We've refuted all the debunks, attempts that have been made on these videos. Are no jittery contrails.
Speaker 2:What you're seeing is accurate camera shake as as the camera is zoomed in on the plane while somebody's manually controlling the camera. We've identified the camera as a Westcam MX 25. We found a video that has the exact same capabilities that we see here. These these videos are filmed at nighttime as well. This is night vision that we're seeing in these videos.
Speaker 2:Can even see the nose of the drone in these videos. And then the video goes on here to show in super slow mo the orbs, which are a plasma field around a smaller object. This is consistent with an Alto University paper that was only published in 2015 about magnetic topological monopoles and exotic vacuum objects, which at the time, the science was completely unknown in 2014. When they zoom in even further, you can see that heat signature is spinning on the axis there as well. That heat signature is also consistent with that science of exotic vacuum objects potentially extracting energy from the environment.
Speaker 2:We see these dark lines in front of the orbs as well, which is actually them using space time, pulling space time around themselves, consistent with the Alkyl Berry drive, expanding space and retracting space around them, pulling the space around them. That's why there's no gravitational forces at work upon them. And then here, you see the plane, the orbs converge. This is consistent with Coulomb's law, where as they converge, the electric force increases exponentially due to the equations of Coulomb's law. And this is what's allowing them to achieve energy densities that are so high that they can actually break through what's called the Schrodinger limit, where when you get beyond that limit, space time becomes nonlinear.
Speaker 2:This is essentially equivalent to the idea of puncturing a hole through reality to get to the nothingness or the ether that's behind it. And this is what we need in order to produce negative energy, to get the negative energy we need for a wormhole. The only thing preventing wormholes from being real is how you would get the energy the negative energy required to produce them. And some people now even recently have argued that, you know, for stuff like warp drive, we don't need negative energy, that we can produce warp drive with positive matter and positive energy. And there may be multiple ways to pull it off.
Speaker 2:So truly what I'm actually saying here is that we can produce a wormhole that is a puncture point between two points of space time. We can produce a warp drive capability, like Star Trek warp drive, which I think is what we're seeing with those orbs as they pull space time around them. You can see this dark line in front of them, which I've never seen any videos like that ever in my whole life. I don't know how anyone would ever come up with that. There's no frame of reference for anything we see in these videos.
Speaker 2:And we can also produce something called EM drive, which is this idea of just pushing off of the vacuum itself, which is propellantless propulsion, which Charles Bueller for who's a NASA engineer, was actually just in a lot of news about because he had argued that they've been able to prove that it's possible. And then the big implications here, the really, really big ones, is the idea that you could this this is free energy. This proves that free energy is possible. If there is an ether with unlimited negative energy, which is proven by the Casimir effect, this idea that you put two plates next to each other, and there's a repulsive or attractive force that comes from them, that idea proves that negative energy is possible. And if you can then achieve negative energy, it's just a matter of tapping into it, and then you can achieve unlimited.
Speaker 2:Thomas Bearden talked about this thirty eight years ago that this was possible. So all this science, like, I've I'm not I don't have a background in science. I've just been studying it since November of last year, almost every single day reading scientific papers. And what I've discovered is it's just all out there in the open. We've just been ignoring it.
Speaker 2:There's half a dozen defense intelligence agency papers sitting out there talking about warp drive, manipulation of extra dimensions, dark energy, negative energy, traversable wormholes, and stargates. And people just ignore it and think that, oh, it's just some silly thing that we made. And it's like, no. This is plausible deniability. These papers were written in 2010.
Speaker 2:So if this stuff ever comes out, people go, well, why were you hiding this? And then the government just goes, we weren't hiding it. We wrote all these papers about it. We just had classified the weaponry because it's an issue of national defense. And one last point I'll bring up, because people may question, well, stuff about the Defense Intelligence Agency papers.
Speaker 2:Well, let me tell you this. The former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, his name is General Flynn, he follows me on Twitter. So, you know, there are a lot of generals that follow people who are doing investigations and hoax videos. I don't think so. I don't think a lot of people out there have generals that follow them.
Speaker 2:Just pointing that out.
Seth Holehouse:So there's a lot that comes from this, but one question I have that I think is okay. So if we establish the basis in this discussion that this isn't a hoax video, that this is real technology, and that, you know, through these videos, we've witnessed some sort of technology that we're not being shown being used. The first question I come to is, is this technology that is being controlled by us in our military industrial complex, or is it technology being controlled by some sort of alien life form? So what would your answer to that be?
Speaker 2:Yeah. My opinion is what we see there is 100 us. Whether that comes from some other exotic source, I've wondered that almost every single day I've been looking into this. If you had asked me six months ago before I started digging into the science, I would have said this definitely is reverse engineered technology. Like, we found some craft or, some craft crashed like Roswell or something and would have said we figured that out.
Speaker 2:We started reverse engineering it. It, you know, took sixty or seventy years, but eventually we figured it out. But the more I looked into it, the more I saw it, man, we don't even need aliens for any of this to work because this stuff goes all the way back to the Philadelphia experiment nineteen forty three before we even dropped the bomb. I think that's when we first accidentally figured out that if we use very powerful electromagnetic fields, we can actually bend space time. And it turns out that the equations in science the way the way that's been suppressed is that Maxwell's equations were correct.
Speaker 2:And when Oliver Heaviside came in and reduced them, we lost the scalar potential. The scalar potential is the stress in the medium. The stress in the medium of space time is gravity. And this is why all the textbooks in The United States are wrong, is that they all teach Oliver Heaviside's reduced equations as opposed to Maxwell's original equations. It still allows for all the electromagnetic stuff that we're using right now, talking in the microphone, the video cameras, streaming, everything everybody's watching.
Speaker 2:But we lose the most important aspect, which is gravity manipulation. The manipulation of the medium itself. And the other person as well is that Thomas Bearden. Thomas Bearden has been talking about this idea of the scalar potential, the same exact potential, explaining all this that I'm saying right now. And he died a couple years ago, but he was talking about this in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2:We have watched multiple videos in 1985 where not only is he explaining the scalar potential and gravity manipulation and free energy, he literally explains what we see in the MH three seven zero videos. He talks about using a phase conjugate pump waves in a zero point system. So his zero point system is something like this, but he also says it can be something like this, an equilateral triangle. What do we see in the MH three seven zero videos? An equilateral triangle, three orbs spinning around the plane in a perfect 120 degree three phase electrical engineering system.
Speaker 2:And he explains that what you need is you need to create that zero point system, the pump waves, and this is macroscopic phase conjugation. And those pump waves are what's producing that force. And then you take another wave and you shoot it at that wave, at at that that interferometry zone as it would be called, and it creates a phase conjugate reverse wave. Now if you imagine that the wave we're talking about is a gravity wave, now you have the idea of having your object go from one location over here, slingshotting over here, essentially equivalent to a wormhole. The only question I have is it is it truly a wormhole that they're going through as a shortcut between two points in space time, or is it a situation where the plane itself is reverting to a wave function where it's some kind of inertial mass reduction effect, which is similar to the double slit experiment.
Speaker 2:Where in the double slit experiment, we have this particle wave duality. And when we observe the phenomenon, the wave function breaks down. Imagine rebuilding the wave function, where now you go from a deterministic point in space and time to a probabilistic one where you can be potentially anywhere. That's the only question I really have left in terms of exactly what's happening to the plane in those videos. But all the science has been out there the whole time.
Speaker 2:So I would argue you could argue that the the whole alien phenomenon has just been a cover because congress and everybody else, all these UFOologists, all talk about aliens all the time. That's all they wanna know about. Right? Nobody talks about the science. Nobody.
Speaker 2:Like, I'm one of the only people out there trying to dig into exactly how it works, except for some very other prominent physicists and engineers that are trying. And so you could say that maybe it's just distraction from it, but I'm not ruling anything out. I mean, there's so many options when it comes to nonhuman intelligence that are out there. You know, ultraterrestrials, cryptotraterrestrials, future humans, even that I'm putting on the table as well. Like, that somehow, you know, because when you start to get faster than my travel, you start to wonder about time, like whether or not you can actually travel through time.
Speaker 2:So could it even be possible that future humans have sent this technology back to the past and we're manipulating our own future? So it's funny is that the more I've looked into it, the less I know. The less certain I am about the origins of it, but the more certain I am that the science one hundred percent checks out.
Seth Holehouse:Which and I think that's honestly that's the the mark of the truly educated man. And I think that I forget which which great person had that quote that basically it was, the more I know, the more I realize I don't know. Right? And and I found that too when you when you because I do I do a lot of interviews. I've done a lot of debating with people, and you find that the people who know the least are the most rigid about their opinions.
Seth Holehouse:They're they're so convinced that they're right. Whereas people I know that that are the most intelligent. So what do you think about this? And they're like, you know what? I've studied it for like eight years, and I actually don't think I really understand it that well.
Seth Holehouse:And and like that's that's I think the that's the idea of I think true intelligence is gonna look at this and realize the more you know, the more you realize you don't know. And so another question that comes to mind with this though is the actual the videos of this. Right? So I'll I'll pull those up not to play again, but, like, this video right here, what took this video This video
Speaker 2:is incredible.
Seth Holehouse:Right? Like, so what took this video? Where were they at? Who was controlling this camera? And then also the other one, the stereoscopic satellite, of course, YouTube's recommendations there.
Seth Holehouse:So this video as well, this looks like it was made from some sort of Google Earth type thing or so Yep. Because I think that I would imagine the technology even of the videos themselves and how these videos are taken can help you uncover a lot of the intentions and maybe who's behind this. Right? I'll I'll I'll hand it back over to you that explain.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And these are United States military assets. And this is why we hide all this stuff. This is why we don't show any satellite capabilities ever. Because just from two one minute videos, we've been able to do some more about the spy surveillance capabilities in The United States than I think anyone ever has in the public realm ever before.
Speaker 2:You could even argue, this sounds a little bit egotistical, but I think it's true, is that I might be the number one citizen, you know, investigator that knows the most about our spy satellite surveillance capabilities on the Earth right now that are not affiliated with the military defense contractors. The quote, yeah, you were thinking of, at least the one I think of, is JFK. I think about his moon speech almost every single day. And he says, the greater our knowledge increases, the greater our ignorance unfolds, which I think is a very profound quote that we should consider all the time. With respect to the assets, we've identified the drone to be an m q one c gray eagle that has a signals intelligence payload.
Speaker 2:Signals intelligence is like the network of all these things to communicate with one another. These drones are unmanned aerial vehicles. And there's another video that I believe I sent you as well that goes through all this, basically proves the capabilities. But, yes, back in October, we had identified the satellite system, SBIRS, as using potentially some type of Google Earth playback and some kind of computer rendering that pulls data from satellites all the time. And as it pulls the satellite data all the time, you can produce the video playback of anywhere in the whole world anytime you want.
Speaker 2:So what I did just a few days ago, somebody actually did this secrets of The United States satellite surveillance, and I went ahead and edited down to just the significant bits here. And if you play this video for the audience, it pretty much confirms everything that we had to do is back in October. That that's exactly what's happening. We even identified the exact satellites that were in the location that could have sent this data with consistent resolution of what we're seeing in that video, which is USA 229. So if you wanna play that, I think that would help.
Seth Holehouse:Okay. It's about a minute and a half.
Speaker 3:The US has by far the largest and most capable network of satellites and space capabilities of any nation on Earth. In fact, many of the drones flying missions in The Middle East have been directed and coordinated in real time from over 10,000 kilometers away in Nevada. The newer space based infrared system can detect much smaller and shorter range missile launches like Iskander and even track them in real time and provide not just the precise impact point, but also relay it to missile defenses to try to intercept it. The latest series of satellites being launched are the beginnings of networks that will take it a whole step further to detect and fully track hypersonic weapons and assist in shooting them down. Also, speaking of the current space based infrared system, they likely also carried a payload for the Trumpet Helent or electronic intelligence satellites.
Speaker 3:Helent is just a subset of SIGINT or signals intelligence. Today, virtually every aircraft and satellite has some form of SIGINT sensor onboard. Also, The US has another SIGINT class called NOS, and those are typically used for detecting ships at sea.
Speaker 2:There's the exact satellite.
Speaker 3:Declassified history of Gambit where it mentions better than four inches or 10 centimeters. The weird thing is if you go look at this document today on the NRO's website, they actually went back and redacted this part. Only through the way machine can you actually see the original. But better than 10 centimeters is about the limit possible due to atmospheric distortion. And from Trump's tweeted image, it's about the same as they can achieve today.
Speaker 3:As for today, The US really doesn't have many optical imaging satellites. There's likely only five or six k h elevens remaining.
Speaker 2:So the main takeaways from that is that we have very few optical imaging satellites. People think that all of our satellites are optical. They're not. They're mostly using infrared and radar, And this implies that you're not looking down through satellites anymore. That's old school nineteen sixties technology.
Speaker 2:The way it works now is we send sensor data to ground based computers, and they can play back in real time or in in retroactively, you know, what tracking mechanisms for aircrafts, boats, missiles, anything that we need to be able to track that's out there. All satellites out there are signals intelligence, which indicates that they can all do this type of transmission of data that we use constellations of satellites now because one individual satellite is, potentially vulnerable. If have a whole constellation of satellites, then you've, have some kind of risk aversion, or risk mitigation there. Early on, you saw there that we found a quote that says, officials from the four hundred and sixtieth space wing confirmed that SBIRS provided technical data to the intelligence community to help solve the mystery of MH 3 7 0. That's a pretty damn weird quote because we never found the plane, and we never found one piece of it in the location that the satellite data supposedly indicated it should have crashed.
Speaker 2:The naval ocean surveillance satellite, that's USA Two Two Nine. We looked up every single satellite. We looked at the old trajectories of them. They don't can't move them around significantly. And it was sitting there right in the Malacca Straits, staring right down at the coordinates we see in the satellite video that indicate the Nicobar Islands, the real location of the plane around eighteen forty UTC.
Speaker 2:We also, at the end there, pointed out that it shows the Trump satellite picture that is one of the last optical telescopes of remaining, USA 224, which gives us some idea of the very advanced capabilities because we don't see any atmospheric disturbance at all or interference when we look at that image. And that satellites in the sixties already had the capability of seeing less than four inches in resolution, which is very it's pretty small, man. That's only like this big. So, you know, satellites up there are seeing resolution this small. So we have some extremely powerful capabilities.
Speaker 2:And the next generation that's coming out in 2025 that's gonna replace SBIRS is gonna be made for tracking hypersonic weapons, which I would argue those orbs that we see there, the United States military's most secret weapons that are out there that I call hypersonic superconductive harmonic orbs. So hypersonic has to do with the speeds at which they can achieve. We see them coming in at nearly 2,000 plus miles an hour to intercept the plane. Plane is not outrunning these orbs. Superconductive.
Speaker 2:Superconductivity in semiconductors is one of the main aspects to make this stuff this technology work, which is small microchips that can allow electrons to flow freely and create coherent matter waves. That's how we can achieve these antigravitational effects. And then harmonic has to do with this three phase 120 degree sinusoidal pattern, where if you map out the the movement of the orbs, it's a perfect sine wave, which is consistent with what you would expect from electrical engineering. And even if you do the right hand rule, which takes your magnetic curl vector and your electric curl, you find that the vector potential travel of the plane is backwards. Now this is interesting because the plane is traveling to the east based on the coordinates that we see and how they shift because the screen shifts seven times.
Speaker 2:We can track the coordinates. So if it's going backwards into the wormhole, then this would imply that this plane is getting slingshot backwards to the west. This is very important because there's a b triple seven fire suppression device that washes up in The Maldives, which is West of Nicobar Islands. It had to be empty because otherwise, the wind floated. It gets reported on as a bomb.
Speaker 2:There's 20 islanders on a small island that don't see jumbo jets that all report seeing the plane, seeing the red and white stripe of Malaysian airlines on it. And they see this plane going from the West down to the South towards Diego Garcia Military Base, they all get discredited as well because they say, well, it's not possible for it to have come from that direction. So we have some evidence that this plane literally did travel to the West. Some people may say, well, what about this debris that was found? I'm gonna go ahead and just dissolve the disinformation around the debris.
Speaker 2:This scenario is the only one consistent with the debris. The debris washes up in Africa, not in Australia, Africa. This they'd have this plane supposedly crashing in the South Indian Ocean, which is near Australia. If you go look at the ocean currents, the ocean currents actually flow to the East down there, not to the West. The debris 100% should have washed up off the Western Coast Of Australia, and yet not one piece does.
Speaker 2:However, if you go look at where the debris is on our map, and I posted one online a few days ago, you'll notice that if the debris went into the ocean near Diego Garcia Military Base, it's 100% consistent with where the debris washed ashore in the Reunion Islands, as well as down in South Africa, which there's a piece of engine cowling with a Rolls Royce logo on it. Literally impossible no matter how you look at it for that debris to have gotten from South Indian Ocean to South Africa. There's no way it's even physically possible. And this goes to show the level of disinformation. The media doesn't point out any of these facts.
Speaker 2:They say, well, somebody did a model, and it explains how the flaperon could get to the Virgin Islands. And then they just ignore everything else, and they ignore the fact that the model has the flaperon sticking out of the water like this, which is good because then the wind can blow it. But when they go look at the flapper on, there's barnacles all over the part that's supposedly sticking out of the water. And it needs to be sticking out of water for it to float that far. And then they look at the barnacles and they realize the barnacles only have four months of growth on them, which means that there's no chance it could have only floated that far in just four months, like 1,800 miles or something like that.
Speaker 2:So people just need to use common sense, and they'll realize very quickly that there's no chance this plane crashed in the South Indian Ocean.
Seth Holehouse:So here's a question for you. You know, planes crash all the time. Why so if this plane had some sort of onboard fire and some sort of emergency, why not just let it crash? Why go through the process of, you know, using this technology, making it disappear, all the media coverage of it? I mean, if they just would have let it crash, they would have found the wreckage.
Seth Holehouse:They, you know, it would have been a case closed story within probably a couple of weeks of it disappearing, and that's it. Mhmm. So why do you think why do you think they actually brought out this technology? And do you think that they were involved in even the cause of crashing? Like, is is that related?
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's a great question because the debunkers and the skeptics who would claim the videos are fake have no comprehensive story that fits with the facts. And I can answer every single question whether or not I'm right or wrong. I can answer every question with a logical answer. And so this, I I believe that there's only two theories that make sense and fit with evidence.
Speaker 2:Is that one, that this fire was accidental that happened, and that we were trying to rescue the plane. Maybe the rescue attempt went poorly, and that we had to cover it up for whatever reason. Maybe there's a VIP onboard the plane that called in their rescue me button, and that they, you know, we they said, hey. Send the orbs in. I'm I'm on VIP, and you gotta save me here.
Speaker 2:But I I I think that's a low probability. The higher probability is this was espionage from the beginning, counter espionage potentially, related to the 20 free scale semiconductor engineers because semiconductors are literally the technology that allows and enables for this. Go look up the stocks of semiconductors. Look how much China is investing in semiconductors. They are what enables magical technology like what we see here.
Speaker 2:Very small microchips, potentially superconducting microchips. There's an NSA security report from 02/2005 that talks about commercial emergence of superconducting microchips that names the free scale semiconductors in it nine different times. There's 20 of these people on board the plane, way too many. Eight of them are Chinese nationals, and 12 of them are Malaysian nationals. They all work for an American company.
Speaker 2:That's the number one target for intellectual property theft and espionage. So there's no way it's a coincidence in my mind. Joseph p Farrell even had an interview where he early on had put all these pieces together. He just didn't realize that semiconductors are what enables the magical super weapon technology. Because he had argued this is a show of force.
Speaker 2:This is a message from one government to another. This was us showing China and Russia and all the rest of our adversaries. This is what we can do. Do not mess with us because they're the only ones who will get the message. The public is gonna have no idea.
Speaker 2:You try to tell people that you can we warped an aircraft away, everyone's gonna think you're crazy. But if you're the other intelligence communities and you know that we can do that, you look at that, you go, holy shit. United States can zap our plane. If you're Vladimir Putin, you get on an airplane and you know that The United States can take your plane down at any moment and anytime they want, that's just saying, who's your daddy to you? So I would argue you're right.
Speaker 2:If there was a fire on board, they could just let this plane crash. They don't have to do anything if you wanna wipe out the plane. There's also a lot easier ways to destroy the plane. That's why I think there's less than a 1% chance that this was an annihilation event. This was an event where we were working this plane somewhere else on Earth, which is indicated by the phones that were still ringing.
Speaker 2:Didn't go to some other galaxy or anything like that. And this is a we were sending a message here to our adversaries that we wanted them to see this, and there's actually evidence. China hacks the Malaysian government the next day. They're trying to find out information about what happened to this plane. And then that pretty much shows that they were not the ones responsible.
Speaker 2:If you you're not hacking the other government to find out what happens if you're responsible. And then the the thing about it as well is that China also posted some satellite images five days later. And I think this was spycraft, and the only one is reported as spycraft. We actually see three objects around something else. It gets reported in Western media as debris in the South Indian or South China Sea, but they search and they find nothing there.
Speaker 2:But if you are the people, the perpetrators who sent the orbs out there, you know what you're looking at. This is China saying we saw what you did.
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Speaker 2:Based on all of the evidence out it seems to indicate that this is potentially an espionage slash counter espionage mission where we were sending a message using our most advanced super weapons to let our adversaries know we're not messing around. And while that seems pretty difficult to believe, you know, that's the only story in my opinion that really fits the best with all the evidence that's out there. And people may say, okay. Well, where'd they go? Where are the people?
Speaker 2:And did any of them live? And, of course, I can't know with certainty. But based on those eyewitnesses sightings, based on a picture that was posted on 4chan that was supposedly of Philip Wood, has coordinates to indicate Diego Garcia Military Base, that's the most logical location to hide an aircraft. I don't think that all the passengers would have lived due to the fire events as well as this macroscopic phase conjugation event. I have no idea if they could survive that.
Speaker 2:I think that it's possible. But I don't know what you do with them. They would essentially become wards of the state if they had lived. Maybe go to witness protection or something. That's the best case scenario.
Speaker 2:So that's what I like to tell people, and then I like to say as well that, you know, I have the utmost sympathy for the families. I I want the families to get closure on this. And people some people will say, well, you're hurting the families by talking about this, which is the most dishonest argument you can ever make. It's like taking a cold case and a murder and then blaming the person who's trying to solve the cold case of the murder. You know?
Speaker 2:These people got no no closure whatsoever. They know that they're being lied to. The official narrative is that they don't know what happened to the plane. There's families like Sarah Sarah Bach was a girlfriend, partner of Philip Wood, the American passenger, literally on CNN saying that she doesn't believe any of the official narratives that the plane was abducted by somebody. The French father, who lost his wife and kids, was told by a mister b, this is on the Netflix documentary, that the Americans know exactly what happened to the plane and that there was two AWACs in the area as well.
Speaker 2:So at some point, people just have to listen to what the the families of victims were saying. You know, they weren't just in distress. They weren't in denial. They already know the truth, which is that they've been getting lied to.
Seth Holehouse:Actually, I'll I'll pull this up. Here's a
Speaker 4:Sarah joins me now from Beijing.
Seth Holehouse:This is Sarah Wood. I'll I'll play this because this is really interesting, actually. So this is Sarah Wood who you say was missing
Speaker 2:is her last name. She was they weren't married, but she was her his
Seth Holehouse:Oh, okay. Okay.
Speaker 2:A filth lady.
Speaker 4:Sarah, obviously, there's been these reports that they picked up pings. They have been unable to reconfirm or reverify those pings they picked up this weekend. Do you think this could be the plane?
Speaker 5:Could be. I mean, we still don't know anything that we didn't know a month ago, but I think the general perception amongst the families is that the timing of these things is awful, awfully coincidental with the batteries wearing out. All of us pretty well agree that until there's the bulk of the plane and the bulk of the bodies discovered and the black box intact, won't believe that it's final evidence.
Speaker 4:You and I have spoken a few times and last week you said that you believe the plane is still intact. That was the specific word you used, which obviously could mean a lot of things, but what leads you to believe that? Do you still believe that?
Speaker 5:I still believe it because there isn't any evidence to the contrary. Actually most of the circumstantial evidence, I believe, points towards an abduction of this plane. I don't know why and I don't know by who, I'm I'm convinced that that plane was taken by somebody.
Seth Holehouse:And Interesting.
Speaker 2:Didn't know. She she nailed it. I mean, it was the plane was taken. We we took the plane. The five eyes covered it up.
Speaker 2:That's the only people that cover this up, that could lie to the media, have all the western media lie about it, have some CNN fake phone expert jump on and tell people that 19 phones can still ring after they've been submerged under the water in the middle of the ocean. You know? I I can't believe people believe some of the bullshit that gets pushed on CNN. But one thing, she mentioned a couple of really interesting aspects there. One was these pings.
Speaker 2:So, like, a month after this plane disappears, all of sudden, this story about finding some pings. Here's the thing. They knew those were not pings from the black boxes. The black boxes transmit on a very specific frequency that cannot be mimicked in nature, that cannot be misinterpreted. It turned out that those pings ended up just being some malfunction with one of the devices that they put in the water to look for them.
Speaker 2:And that was potentially delay intentional delay effort to begin to build more of a story to potentially fabricate the satellite pings that were needed to implicate the South Indian Ocean, which didn't get released for months. Because, again, they they hadn't they knew right away that that was a fruitless endeavor, and that actually delayed the search when that happened as well, which I I don't think was a mistake. The the White House was calling, Malaysia every single day afterwards, which White House doesn't do that normally. You would have, like, the state department do that. They were they were coming up with a cover story because they needed to figure out this is why there was so much obfuscation about where they were searching, especially in the early days.
Speaker 2:And like she said, you know, a lot of people ask me, what would it take for you to believe that these videos aren't real? Well, first of all, find the hoaxer. Where's where's the supposed hoaxer? We had a hundred and $50,000 real bounty for the hoaxer to come forward with evidence that they made these videos. Nobody came forward.
Speaker 2:There's no hoaxer. We would need the full body of the plane with ten years of growth on it and the bottom of the ocean intact with black boxes and bodies inside of it. That's never gonna happen. The CIA better be throwing pieces of b triple seven down in the ocean with a bunch of barnacles and stuff growing all over it at this point because that's the only way these videos are going away at this point. And even the families knew that as well.
Speaker 2:Planes don't crash into the ocean without breaking apart in giant debris fields, especially in the water where then the debris is gonna go all over the place. Like, there's literally no chance this plane crashed in the South Indian Ocean. We had 40 planes and 40 boats searching for it. They can see for potentially hundreds of miles while they're searching for a giant debris field tens of miles wide. We didn't find one piece of the plane anywhere down there.
Speaker 2:You know, even the searchers, I think it was Peter Warren, who was an Australian Navy guy, did an interview for the ten year anniversary. And he's talking about they were all having these doubts about, like, are we searching the right place? Because it's just basic common sense of logic, but stated, you can't miss a huge debris field. So even they knew there was nonsense. I found another pilot that admitted that the media was lying to people, that they were searching to the West, western West off the West Coast Of Malaysia while the media was saying that they were searching in the South Indian Ocean or South China Sea, which is to the East side, where it was later revealed, like, five days later that they had these radar pings that indicate that the plane turned back over the coast.
Speaker 2:So what was happening in the behind the scenes versus what was happening to the media was completely disjointed as well. You don't ever do all this obfuscation and stuff unless there's a literal cover up at play, which I know is, like, you know, hard to believe. But that's why what we're dealing with here is a real conspiracy, potentially the largest conspiracy of all time.
Seth Holehouse:Which it's crazy to just to piece it together that there's these individuals, you know, 20 some odd individuals, most of their, you know, Chinese Malaysian on the plane that work for an American company, that work within semiconductors, which even from the business perspective has massive implications. Not not even getting into the advanced tech perspective. Right? The military industrial complex perspective of of the role of semiconductors. They're on this plane that and and so that the plane disappears magically.
Seth Holehouse:Right? Makes you think maybe it was shot down intentionally, or maybe there's a fire that was caused intentionally to slow it down or to do something like that. But then that the technology is used potentially our own US military or, you know, military industrial complex or who knows, you know, five eyes, etcetera, use this, you know, very advanced technology that that is so far away from being something that's being revealed to the public to capture and kidnap that plane, potentially drop it into some military base hidden somewhere. My guess is the people that were on that plane they didn't need ended up being vaporized somehow. Right?
Seth Holehouse:Whether they're, you know, in the bottom of the ocean or cremated or, you know, who knows what because, you know, they gotta cover their tracks. This is this is criminal operations stuff that's going on here. But then someone within this, right, this guy you mentioned is lieutenant, that someone leaks this video of what really happened. It goes dormant on the Internet for almost a decade. It comes back up.
Seth Holehouse:It reemerges. There's this massive massive effort to discredit this information, because this video the videos and the analysis that you've brought forth reveal the the tip of the iceberg in terms of the potential capabilities and technologies of the military industrial complex. And that's where that's here we are right now, which is it's kind of a crazy to put that timeline in, like, that really simple step by step, it's pretty wild. And so for you and from your perspective, what's next? Like, what's next for you?
Seth Holehouse:What are you focusing on? Where does this where does this take us?
Speaker 2:Yeah. And from the the passenger's perspective, the only thing that I would I don't know if I disagree with, but maybe ponder about is whether or not we would really have, you know, military personnel, like, execute people. If they did, it would be a situation, I think, where you put something, like, something in their water or something in their food, you know, and they just go to sleep, which is also pretty damn dark, man. I I really hope the US military isn't doing that and not having our our service members do that. I think that to me, the more logical situation would be that something went wrong or that the fire took out people that they didn't expect, and then you have a really sticky situation, you know, where how do what do you do with the people the few people that survived or something like that.
Speaker 2:But again, it's it's unknowable for me on that front. I think we've dug into more evidence than I think we would even need. Like, I think I can prove in a court case beyond any doubt that this is what happened even despite the fact that we're looking at orbs zapping the plane away. That's just how much overwhelming evidence there is. I've presented this evidence to AARO, the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office.
Speaker 2:They're the ones that look into, like, UFO stuff. Mostly just because not because I think it's aliens, but because I think we're looking at defense contractor technology that is being shielded from the public, because they're protected with FOIA requests and things like that, which is why all this congress stuff will never bear fruit at all. Like, we have to be going after the private companies, the defense contractors to get this stuff out. And the ARO, they started ghosting me now. Initially, they they called me back in January.
Speaker 2:We had to go on. I don't think they thought that there would be this much evidence. They said that they could look into the videos, see if they're authentic. They could look into the cyber system, see if that's what it looks like. They could look into Edward, lieutenant commander Edward C.
Speaker 2:Lin, the the person who I believe leaked the videos beyond almost any doubt. I've been saying his name on I don't even know how many podcasts at this point. And, they could find out what the information was that the government was afraid that would get to the public, that the defense argued was available on the Internet. And I think they found that because they replied back to me with this I'll paraphrase and say that they found something about The United States' search efforts after the plane disappeared from radar, which a plane disappears from radar eighteen minutes before we think this plane is getting zapped away. So I don't know what they would have found because if there was some search effort that's been hidden from the public, it probably should have been made publicly available considering we saw not found nothing in the South Indian Ocean.
Speaker 2:And I thought that was a very telling reply. So since then, I sent them that was over a month ago on April 11 is when I received that email. And, of course, I'm gonna talk about it in every podcast until especially because they're being quiet. The only reason why they would need to be quiet to me is that they don't know what to say. Because I have so much evidence.
Speaker 2:There's no lie that you can tell me related to this. We didn't find a plane. There's no hoaxer in these videos. If they found out that's what Edward Selin leaked, then how do you you can't can't admit that. What do you do?
Speaker 2:You know? So, you know, this is the reason why I think that they're not they're not coming back to me right away even though I've been sending them by four emails since then. Called a couple times as well. No callbacks. Very interesting stuff.
Speaker 2:So what do we do? How do we take it from here? I'm just trying to ramp up and get to a situation where it's so awkward for the government that it becomes self evident that they're hiding something, which I think should be apparent based on the FOIA request denials. Like, even a FOIA request into the NCIS' case of Edward c Lynn, they rejected it in total for the interest of national defense and foreign policy. I'm pretty sure there's not a lot of cases where they just won't give you anything because they're too afraid that you're gonna be able to piece the put the pieces together.
Speaker 2:And that's not even the only one. Like, there's a NSA one as well about MH three seven zero also rejected in the interest of national defense and foreign policy. There's clearly clearly something being hidden about this plane from the United States government. I think we've already gotten this thing into the zeitgeist where now, you know, people are talking about. They know there's something there.
Speaker 2:I've tied myself to it. There's, you know, there's this undeniable connection now between my investigation and these videos and this plane that's out there. And that's really what I wanted to do. And so that no matter how long it takes or how long or long this goes, you know, the science will be proven to be real. At some point, more and more about our surveillance capabilities will get into the public, and it'll corroborate what we see from these videos.
Speaker 2:And that will prove the videos to be real. And and that's kind of my plan right here. The longer the United States government stays silent about this, given the accusations I've directly accused the intelligence community, the military, and president Barack Obama of being implicated in this and knowing about it. The longer that they ignore this, the more guilty they seem. You know?
Speaker 2:Like, the news stations will talk about some kid seeing aliens in Las Vegas in his backyard. They just did a thing about this, like, a couple weeks ago. But they won't talk about a guy that's got done more investigative journalism than all mainstream media combined over the last year. It has a, well, it seems incredible, but a a pretty solid case for what actually happened to a disappeared airliner that has no official resolution. You know, I think that as time goes on, I'm gonna be vindicated on that.
Speaker 2:So to really answer your question, my goal is to really prove the science is real and get this suppressed science out to the public. Thomas Bearden and his, scalar physics, as he talks about it, the scalar potential, get that out to the public, explain to people that Maxwell's equations were incorrectly reduced by Oliver Heaviside and that were being taught incorrectly. And this is how we can manipulate gravity, that free energy is real, and that people who look into it, with the right skill sets and the and the right knowledge can produce real free energy devices. I think that getting that information out there is what will wake people up, and we don't have to wait for the government to tell us. The beauty of these videos is that we can reverse engineer the science based on watching the videos.
Speaker 2:And I'm proof of that because I'm not a PhD in physics or anything. I'm a business major that works in health care IT. And in just six months since we last talked, I've learned more than I ever thought I would in my whole life. And it's getting closer and closer to the point where, like, I feel like I can stand up and debate against real PhD physicists that have dozens, if not hundreds of scientific papers under their belt about the idea of the ether being real, that the can explain dark energy, negative energy that we need, and that we can reinterpret, if not rewrite the laws of conservation of energy and thermodynamics, which is wild to say that on a podcast, but that's how much we've learned and how much I've learned about the science of electrical engineering.
Seth Holehouse:It's it's pretty incredible. I think it also highlights the role of independent media. Like, you know, you'd never see Ashton Forbes on CNN as, hey. Here's here's a potential reason where as to what happened to the airplane. No.
Seth Holehouse:You're not gonna see that. But you've had this boom in independent media because people are turning off the TVs or turning off the cable TVs, the satellite TV, and they're going to, you know, rumble and to independent places, independent shows like this, Twitter, etcetera, to learn. So, Ashton, it's been such a pleasure speaking with you. I hope you stay safe. You know, maybe you might wanna occasionally wanna put that note up there saying I'm not suicidal.
Seth Holehouse:Right? So
Speaker 2:Once a week, I do it.
Seth Holehouse:There you go.
Speaker 2:Safe side. Exactly. Yeah. Real quick on that point. Yeah.
Speaker 2:The alternative media thing is is is great. Like, early on, if you go back and look at my stuff that I posted in, like, August, I said, you're never gonna find me on CNN. And I've lived up those expectations. Mainstream media has never reached out, not one time. But alternative media has made this all possible, which is why I think this is a movement that other people can replicate when it comes to other cases and things like that.
Speaker 2:Crowdsource investigation. Be your own hero, you know, in terms of pushing the information out there. Use alternative media. Alternative media is the future. That's where people go to now for the truth as opposed to the bullshit that we're getting, you know, taught and fed on on CNN and other mainstream media out there.
Speaker 2:So this is where I think they underestimated me and all of MH370X is that they never expected anything like this to happen, that they would be able to keep these videos under wraps for as long as they needed to be, and that nobody would ever come forward and do this much in-depth research and get this much exposure. And, you know, it's just been incredible. I just wanna thank all the people that have been following along. Because without everybody out, all you guys out there watching, it would not have been possible, all the podcasters like you as well, Seth. So thank you.
Seth Holehouse:Absolutely, man. Well, I'm sure we'll be doing an update show at some point. So until then, stay safe, and we'll keep in touch. Thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 2:Sounds good. Thank you.
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