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Stories That Stick. Skills That Scale.
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Hook
the power of no can change your life. And it's, it, it is the, it is the single two letters in our English language that
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📍 teach us how to stop and how to start.
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📍 📍 My dad used to drive carpool with an iron in his hand.
No.
So he would drop us off at school practicing the Marcel iron. Wow. I never
📍 we don't really have a labor shortage as much as we have a talent shortage.
Mm-hmm. And working for a man who
📍 always pretty standard. And that is, um, when it stops being fun
is when I'll stop.
Is when I'll stop.
📍 uh, and I'll leave you with this, please. You always wanna spend major time with major people and minor time with minor people.
📍 if you're chasing just the dollar, you're chasing the wrong thing.
The dollar comes when you chase what you're great at and what you
enjoy. Yeah. What you enjoy and what you
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Conversation Starts
Hello everyone and welcome back to the podcast Conversations That Count. Today I am joined by an amazing guest, Candy Shaw, a legend in her field, her industry, and I'd say an amazing person. But before I over introduce you, okay. Candy, can you tell us a little bit about yourself and, and what you do
Well, um, I am a salon owner of.
Gosh, been at the chair 45 years. I am a second generation hairdresser. My father was a champion, world champion hairdresser, and I own a 50 chair salon in Atlanta. Amazing. I have an academy where I teach French cutting in balayage, and by the grace of God, I started a product line 12 years ago called Sunlight, and so I really stay really busy just giving back to the industry.
That's what I really love about what I do.
I love it. You give back and not only was your father an award-winning salon mm-hmm. Stylist, but he was the first. World champion, right? If I understand
it. Well, he was the first American to ever win the World Championship for the Marcel Iron, which is a curling iron to the, to today's world.
Um, and he took the coveted award from the, um, Europeans back in 1960 in Amsterdam. And back then they used to do these extravagant hair pieces that were so huge. They had to be carried in coffin boxes. Some of them
what they
were ginormous. Some of them were as much as four and five feet tall.
I can't imagine showing up to see hairstylists work and everyone's walking in with coffins.
Well,
I would think I'm in the wrong place. I'm like, wait a minute.
Yeah, well, I, you know, that's just sort of an expression, but they were, they were pretty remarkable back then. And you know, that talent has been carried on in different kinds of muses in different kinds of ways now. It's not like it used to be back when they would just go do these shows every single weekend and just do these huge competitions.
Now the competition we have is on social media, right? Yeah. It's on show. Show or you know, it is on the show floor of course, but Sure. Uh, but mostly it's just, it was a different generation back then.
I actually love that you say that. So that kind of kicks me off to where I'd like to start with you.
You're in a unique place because you've seen the industry of cosmetology grow from. The birth, you came out as a baby, probably with a set of, you know, scissors in your hand. Mm-hmm. Um, yeah. But what, what do you feel like has been some of the biggest transformations you've seen from the, like when you started and when your father was working to now?
Yeah.
Well, just to sort of add to who I am, I never went to college and I never went to beauty school.
No.
So in Georgia you don't have to go to beauty school so you can actually apprentice. So I apprenticed under my father. Okay. Uh, which was an incredible way to learn. Yeah. And back then the disciplines and the things that we had to be taught and the ways that we had to, uh, do everything from great customer service to really honing in on our skill levels.
Was just really, really different than it, yeah. Than what it is now. I mean, now, um, I was saying to you earlier. You know, I always thought of my career as just that, a career. Like I could go anywhere I ever wanted to go. I could get anything I ever wanted. I could live wherever I wanted. I could drive the car I wanted.
And now, you know, hairdressing has really changed. It's morphed, you know, whether it's been COVID or whether it's just been social media in general. Yeah. You know, I get a little frustrated by the fact that. You know, our skill level is, is has kind of dropped. Like I I was saying to you earlier,
Why We Have A Talent Shortage, Not A Labor Shortage
we, we don't really have a labor shortage as much as we have a talent shortage.
Mm-hmm. And working for a man who was so talented Yeah. Was sort of a godfather in this industry, it's kind of hard to, to see people just dial it in and just sort, sort of have drive by skill.
I'd say rather than when you got to see, I mean, you came up seeing people who are so committed and dedicated to their craft.
Mm-hmm. To now see where it's like, oh, this is a hobby and I'm going to go do three other things that are all hobbies. Right. And this is, these are my jobs.
Candy's Story And The Marcel Iron Legacy
Yeah. My dad used to drive carpool with an iron in his hand.
No.
So he would drop us off at school practicing the Marcel iron. Wow. I never knew my father not practicing, you know, not doing things, you know, about, you know, figuring out a new way.
It was like we were all. Back then, they were just such incredible entrepreneurs in a different kind of way. Like they, they would always find the solutions to the problems. I mean, we didn't have the resources of Google and yeah, you know, YouTube where
it's
at your fingertips,
it's, you gotta
figure it out.
We didn't have that, I mean. My father one time was in the garage sawing off the ends of scissors 'cause he was a barber in the military and he was sawing scissors down to make them half the size because he had seen a hairdresser cut hair with a little tiny scissor.
No
way. And he didn't have the resources to find them or get them.
Yeah. So he just tried to make his own. So it's, you know, those stories, those vast histories of the people of how they built companies. And how they did the things that they do are really something we should never forget in our industry. The forefathers of foremothers that really did great things. And you know, to your point about a hobby, you know, not to really, you know, get, I don't know, sometimes I get a little down on it.
I'm gonna be honest, David. 'cause you know, I, I feel like. We should, we should really lift our industry and not be embarrassed by it, you know? Mm-hmm.
Stop Apologizing For Your Craft
Being a hairdresser should be a first choice career for sure. It an incredible place. You're learning that love hanging out. I love it out with all of us.
Right. It you're learning that the beauty industry is, is. There are some really brilliant people in it. We're not just starving artists.
And it's a multi-billion dollar industry as well. I mean, and it's worldwide.
Absolutely. And everybody, there's reason needs a hairdresser or a barber. Everyone aesthetician a nail artist.
Mm-hmm. We all, y'all need us. I mean, don't tell us that we are not essential. Okay. You
are. You're an essential worker. When COVID happened and I couldn't see my barber,
yes.
I thought I was gonna die. Yeah,
exactly. You were offering up a lot of money for that haircut. I
would've done whatever it took to get my hair cut, and so no, I, I think you're, you're so right, and kind of based on what you're telling me too, it almost seems like, like hearing the way your father was trying to create his own tools mm-hmm.
To improve his craft and he was always practicing his skill. It almost seems like two people lean so much on the fact that technology has come so far. Mm-hmm. The tools are so much more accessible. Mm-hmm. They're like, well, if I, it's okay if I don't have the skill because I can just get the tool.
Well, let's face it, everybody has an iPhone now, so we're all a photographer.
Yeah,
right.
It is a fact.
And so I do feel like, you know, how do we trust, where is that trust in somebody who's really great at their craft? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And someone who is just maybe mediocre or average, and you know, so going into the classroom, getting into education, which has been a part of my branding and part of who I am.
It, it's just, it's. It's absolutely means everything to me because I wanna elevate this career and this, this path. And I want people to realize that it's in a wonderful place to be in.
It's beautiful.
We didn't, we didn't, we're not just all, um, beauty school dropouts as some people. Maybe you saw that when you watched, uh, whatever that movie was.
Greece, you know, they talked about the beauty school dropout. We had a bad reputation for a long time. Hm. Listen, my father used to tell people he was a consultant and lie really, that he wasn't in the beauty industry. When we would go on these wonderful trips or we would do these great things together as a family, people would say, oh, are you a doctor?
And he'd say, no, I'm just a consultant. And it was almost like he was embarrassed to say that, you know? Yeah. He was putting rollers in hair and he was, you know, doing these. Things back in day,
even though it offered his family a great lifestyle.
Oh. And we had the greatest life. Yeah. You know, because of it.
And so now I'm just, I guess I, I sort of cheerlead how proud I am of our industry, how far we've come, the things that we've been able to do and how we're respected,
you know? And I think that that's something beautiful too, that you've taken. I know you're a second generation, um, and you've kind of grown what your father has built, but you've also grown a lot of your own
mm-hmm.
Through that as well. And I, I was looking at like the curricula you're building mm-hmm. For the French cutting, the balayage. And I think something that you're trying to do as well is help people build those skills and talents mm-hmm. So that they can do more with less as well.
Right.
So it's like, yes, it's cool if you have hobbies.
It's like, granted you can live your life, but. You still need to make this your passion if you want to do it right.
And by the way, being more efficient, working smarter, not harder. Mm-hmm. You know, doing, doing what you love, you know? Mm-hmm. I get to get up every day and do what I love.
I can tell it radiates from you too.
No,
and when I saw it, I'm like, she is, she's in love with what she does.
Oh yeah. No, it's, it's. So true. I mean, my husband was a, a very high powered attorney in Atlanta. We've been married for 37 years and I, one day he rolled over in bed and he said, I am so tired of you getting up, being so dang happy with your job.
You know? And you know, 'cause I go to work every day and get in a courtroom and listen to people scream at each other, you know? Yeah. And so now he works within my company and I actually have a third generation. Son is in the business. My, my daughter-in-law is in the business and I hope that my grandchildren will be one day too.
And that's something that, 'cause you hear about a lot of people where generations and trades like die out like that.
Mm-hmm.
Because parents don't cultivate that level of love and passion of what they do. Mm-hmm. Where it's like you're on the exact opposite hand where it's like everyone in your family, even your husband, who was fine doing what he was doing was super successful, had chosen that path.
It was like, I just haven't met anyone who's as in love and is passionate mm-hmm. About what they're doing is you, how can I get a piece of that?
And you know what's really funny? He's more passionate about it now than even No, stop it. I mean, it's crazy. I mean, he, you know, he'll, he comes up with these incredible vision ideas and he loves the industry.
And, and by the way. It doesn't hurt to sleep with counsel at night. Um, because when you're running a product line and you have to get all your, you know, your is true stuff, uh, approved by the FDA and you've got trademarks and you know, you're in to worry about a whole nother level. So when you start to.
Manufacture something, you know, it's not as easy as it looks. You know, we're mm-hmm. You go from Etsy to, to like, uh, to being
in stores
and like Yeah. Yeah. To having Com competitors trying attack you. And it's, and, and, um, um. Forklifts, you know what I mean?
Employees who are moving it, it's, it becomes a lot.
Yeah. So it's, but it's great because when you get up and you do what you love every day.
Yeah.
Uh, it's, you don't go to work a day, you know, you really do love it. And, and, and I've been asked the question, are you gonna sell sunlight? You know, are you, are you ready to, to do something else? Have another venture.
Yeah. And my answer is always pretty standard. And that is, um, when it stops being fun
is when I'll stop.
Is when I'll stop.
Yeah.
You know, doing it. So, but right now I'm still having a ton of fun. I'm still traveling with my family. Mm-hmm. My family is here, you know, I enjoy that. And that's to. A lot of people don't have that kind of thing when, when they get, most
people don't have that.
No. Yeah, so I, I love that part of it. And by the way, the Hare community is my extended family. And you'll learn when you come to these shows that you have your road family, like you won't see each other from city to city. You know, you're like a bunch of musicians, you know, bringing in your stuff and your roadies and you're, you, you set up, you break down, you go hug your friends and then you don't see 'em again until the next whatever.
But they're we're thick as thieves.
I've noticed that in like, even, I was only here once last year, haven't seen anyone for a year, and I come here and I feel like I've been welcomed with hugs by anyone I even interacted with. They're like, oh my gosh, I'm so happy to see you. Mm-hmm. They remember my name, everything about me, and I'm like.
Are you trying to make me cry right now?
Yeah,
because this is, it's a lot of love
and it's, it's real.
It is.
It's authentic and it's real. I mean, that's the one thing, you know, when we get out from behind the phone mm-hmm. And we get out from behind the FOMO and the facade And who is who and what is what?
I just sat in the press conference. You were there, uh, recently right here with a BS show.
Yep.
And it's real. The tears are real. The the camaraderie is real. It's, the hugs are real. You're really proud of people. That's the one thing I love about the beauty industry, is we celebrate each other. You do. We really celebrate your successes.
It's not Yeah, sure. We're competitive. Sure. That, that kind of breeds in any, any industry. Right?
It should. Competition is
healthy. You want to, because that's what makes you better, right? You wanna be a better version of yourself. But each and every one of us, it's, it's real. If somebody gets an award or gets nominated or wins or beats you or whatever,
yeah.
You know, you really do feel that your family supports you.
Right. You know I something I really want to ask you, K, because you're in such a unique place and position, how do you cultivate that passion and love for what you do even on the challenging day? Or like the days where you're struggling. I don't get me wrong, I know you love to do what you do every single day.
Sure. But all of us run into challenges. Oh, yes. How do you, how do you fight through it? Like how do you keep the main thing, the main thing?
Right. Well,
Sleep, Silence, And Closing The Tabs
a couple things that I don't negotiate. Okay. And that is sleep. And I know that might just sound very, you know, not a big deal. Okay. Sleep. But if you travel like a road warrior that I am, I am at shows every I, I'm gone.
You know, two to three weekends a month. Oh, wow. I work at the chairs still a couple days a month. I work on my business as well, in my business as well. I sit on boards. I, I'm very busy, but I love, I love, you know, being a part of the community and I don't want to give that up, but let me just say, big trees fall hard too.
You know, I wake up, you know, completely outta gas. Completely uninspired, you know, what is gonna happen next? Not knowing what's lurking around the corner. And when I travel and do that, I always know that I just have to get quiet. You know, silence is a really beautiful thing and we don't do enough of it sometimes, you know, we just get busy being busy.
Mm-hmm. I, I have a lot of sayings and one of them is, you know, sometimes I, I have too many tabs open. You know, it's just like my brain is like tab, tab, tab, tab. And you give have a
million thoughts. Projects
running. Exactly. And who's following through with all that and who's policing all that? Sometimes I just have to say to myself, candy, you gotta close some tabs down.
You gotta refocus. You gotta get back to basics. You gotta get back to your fundamental reasons of why you started this company or why you took over this company of your father's or your legacy. And I really kind of go back to the heart and, and the soul and the nucleus of why I started. Yeah. Um, you're gonna have, you're gonna fall.
You're gonna, there, there is no doubt about it. You know, I say a lot that entrepreneurialism should be called entrepr. Manism because you have to waller in a lot of stuff You do.
And
you just have to know how to separate the treasure from the trash. And you just have to know how to, uh, give yourself grace and give yourself permission to go down when you need to go down.
Mm. See, I think that that's something that probably everyone struggles with more now than ever too, because the beauty of, like your father had, right, is he didn't have so much stimulus hitting him all the time. So it's like the
noise
he could, the noise, the constant, to your point, the tabs, the messages, the dms, he could really dial in on his passion.
Mm-hmm. And it's like that was all the dopamine he needed.
Mm-hmm.
But now we have so much stimulus. It's like you try to shut down for 10 minutes and you're like, well, let me. I probably have an email that I missed, or I probably have this DM I need to respond to, or like, something's happening with my employee here.
Mm-hmm. When at your point, there's still the same amount of beauty and just the silence. You're human,
you know, silence and shutting it down is s silence is, is it can be a killer. Yeah. And it can also, um, be a really wonderful thing to put into your arsenal. Uh, and, and again, the permission mm-hmm. To say no, which is a powerful word that is.
Sometimes underused, if I can be honest, because people are trying to get somewhere. Yeah. Sometimes I ask people, like friends of mine that are over committed and overdoing and they're stressed out and they're, where am I gonna do, oh my gosh. And I say, you know, what are you chasing? You know, because really the this is, this is a marathon, not a sprint.
Mm-hmm. And success doesn't come in a form of a rocket ship. It's not, it, it, you know it, it comes and goes. Sure. Like ebbs and flows. So solely what you have to focus on is just your happiness, your relationships that you surround yourself with, not feeling, you know, what do they say? Comparison is the thief of joy.
I've been saying that so much lately too. You're so right.
You know, and I, you know,
Be Your Own CEO And Protect Your Joy
don't take away your own joy. And be your own. Be your own CEO, whether you're running a company or not, it does not matter. Protect your company, which is you, your brand, your health, your wellbeing. '
cause without that, you don't have a company anyway.
It all falls apart
or, uh, any ideas, I assure
you.
Yeah. Yeah.
Wow. Actually, I hope I didn't ruin it already by asking so many questions, but I want to ask you, I know you told me this was gonna be about the power of no, but can you tell me Candy, about a time you had. A conversation that really counted, maybe you impacted someone, maybe it impacted you.
Well, it's a really powerful question because I think everyone has, uh, a conversation that they have loved that has enlightened them. And the good news about the beauty industry is I have broken bread with so many incredible people. I could go on for hours about the illustrious and incredible, uh, conversations that I've had with those that might have been small little, uh, turning points in my career.
But I think the biggest moment that was very marginal in my, uh, uh. Just learning curve, if you will, was
The Power Of No: Candy's Story
the time that I thought I was going to go into a partnership with someone really. And I was building my brand and I deci, I woke up with a sick feeling in my stomach, you know, heart irregular palpitations.
Yeah. And I really knew in my heart of all heart, I was making the wrong decision. But I was too far down the road at the moment mm-hmm. To have the guts to like, stand up and, and cha, you know, change all the course of, of what I had just built.
Yeah.
And I sat on it silent for quite a while and then I finally got the nerve to say no.
And I always say to everyone, you know, no, doesn't mean never. Right. No, doesn't mean no, just means not right now.
Yeah.
Uh, no can even mean maybe
it can, that's true.
Right? Right. I
might, I'm a no now I might be a yes later in the right circumstance.
You're, but the power of no can change your life. And it's, it, it is the, it is the single two letters in our English language that teach us how to stop and how to start.
Hmm. They, it teaches us how to turn, twist, and how to turn. It teaches us how to, um, uh, just accept or not accept.
Yeah.
And that is like, that's the line that we draw in our, in our lives that is important. And when we are not, when we're too afraid to cross over and, and just be strong and stand up and be confident in our convictions.
Mm-hmm. We can end up doing a lot of things that we don't really want to do in our heart of all hearts. That's true. And that moment, or that conversation that I had with that person and that moment was the pivotal turn when I got the courage to really stand up and go on my own. And it's been the best decision I ever made.
Yeah.
Wow. That was overwhelming. Just 'cause it was amazing.
Thank you.
I actually had a similar uh. A similar situation too, where I was gonna start, when I was gonna do the podcast. I was gonna start with a good friend of mine who I'd gone to high school with, known him for I think two decades now. And I was talking to my mentor and I was like, Hey, I'm, I'm on the fence.
Should like I do it with a co-host or should I just do it myself? And he was like, co-hosts are never a good idea. It never works out because if one of you're busy or something's going on, the whole show falls apart. And you also have to ask yourself, is this something you really want to do or is this just another hobby for you?
Hmm.
Interesting.
I know it comes full circle. And I sat down to your point. I actually went to, I asked my sister, I asked my brothers, I asked my grandma, I asked everyone. I knew their opinion. And to your point, it was because I, the only reason I even wanted a partner was 'cause I was scared to do it on my own.
Yeah.
And I said, can I even handle this pursuit by myself? Mm-hmm. And after I sat down, I said, well. If not now, then when? And do I really wanna leave my future in someone else's hands?
That's right.
When I could already tell like, and I love him to death. I actually told him this exact same thing, but I could tell he felt like this was more of a hobby and it was like a cool thing that friends could do together for fun.
It's like I didn't just want a hobby. I wanted something more that I could be proud of and
Absolutely. So a body of work.
A body of work that I could reflect on and say, I did that, I enjoyed it and I gave it everything I had.
Right.
Um, and,
and that's, I love it now and look at you now, right?
That is good.
That's right.
It's, it's all worked
out
amazingly
and that, and that is so true. And, you know, being proud of that body of work and, and having the confidence to do it. And look, there's plenty of people that have great partnerships and do great things together, but I think you just have to ask yourself those hard questions.
So you asked me what is the conversation that I had. It was with myself mostly it does, and I think a lot of people use others as a leg up because they see weakness in themselves and they think, well, maybe if we do it together, two is better than one. But, uh, my father never went into partnership with anyone, uh, other than his own family.
Yeah. And I think that, um, really stood the test of time. And you will do really great things being on your own. You don't need anybody else. David, you're doing a great job.
And Candy, thank you. You're gonna, I'm gonna tear up if you're not careful.
Uh oh. Well, no, I love that.
Um, I, no, you're, you've just told me so many beautiful things today.
I'm overwhelmed and with like, in knowledge and, and wisdom. I guess my other question I have for you, Candy, is how do you. I actually talked to someone about this earlier, but I'd love your take on it. You know, I strongly believe there are four pillars to life.
Mm-hmm.
You have health, you have wealth, you have relationships, and you have like fulfillment.
So like that personal mm-hmm. Self time that you give to you. How do you balance all of those and like, and hold it together? So that you can remain passionate. And I know you said sleep is huge.
Yes, of course.
But, but how do you balance all four?
Well, it's, it's simple. So you surround yourself with people who are smarter than you to handle the things that you're maybe not good at.
Okay.
Because when you are our face of a brand, or when you are the heartbeat of a brand, or whether it's a podcast or whether it's a product company,
sure.
You sort of have to protect your visionary spirit. And you just can't be all things to all people. And you have to, again, surround yourself with people who can make great decisions.
And you have to use, as my daddy would say,
Two Ears, One Mouth, And The Push Gas Pump Brakes Rule
you have two ears and one mouth. Yeah, 100%. And you need to use them in direct proportion, meaning twice as much listening as talking as speaking. Yeah. And so there's a lot of times that I do a lot of listening. You know, I do a lot of listening and that helps me stay inspired.
I love that. You know, and I, I, I try to listen with the intent to learn. You know, every room is always filled with a great story and somebody who's got a, uh, a great idea.
Mm-hmm.
And I also try extremely hard to not reinvent a wheel. You know? I'm okay. Yeah. If you've already mapped out that plan, I mean, ideas are only other people just.
Reworking them and removing 'em for sure. Right. I mean, they, it is like a Ouija board, you know, it's just a little Ouija board that we just all continue to take the same types of ideas and turn 'em into, just
rework them,
make them our
own every
time. And if you, you know, people will ask me all the time, you have three companies, what, how do, how do you stay inspired?
How do you, how do you continue to focus on them? And I would say I've put the energy in the place that I know that I need to win in the moment. For sure. You can't put the same amount of energy into everything at all times. Okay. So right now I'm focused really solely on my salon business and my salon growing.
'cause we just had a massive renovation, but next month it may be putting all my weight and love behind sunlight. And then after that it'll be teaching and you know, so I, I try to recognize when to push the gas and when to pump the brakes.
Right. Okay. You're really good at prioritizing.
Mm-hmm.
I love that.
Some days and then I'm married. Well that helps.
Yeah. Yeah. And he helps you keep it together too. Get, '
cause
who knows you better than your
Yeah.
Your other,
yes. I mean there is absolutely, I have a role reversal in a way, you know, where my husband was always helping with raising our three children and going to the games and cooking the meals and helping that way so that I could continue to follow my passion and my dreams.
You know that that was a really smart decision. And quite frankly, I think it's the smartest decision you can make in your life is, is your partner.
I, I've heard a lot of that. It's like your, your partner will decide your future
Absolutely. Or your past, which might not be very pretty.
That's so true.
I'm gonna sort of lay that one down on the
table.
I dunno, that
was a
mic drop.
No, I. Candy, I've, I've taken so much from this. I want to try, I wanna try to recap
Okay.
In the most succinct way, what we talked about.
Okay.
And you tell me if I'm missing anything.
All right.
And I can do better. So a lot of what we talked about is, I don't even think it's just in the beauty industry.
Mm-hmm. I think it's in every industry we have an overabundance of labor. Labor and a short shortage of talent. Mm-hmm. Of true passion and people who are willing to be dedicated to their craft. Mm-hmm. And. One of the things that you are pioneering and really trying to push is helping people fall back in love with their passion.
Mm-hmm. And reminding them that if they really give something their all in your case, beauty, whether it be hairdressing, whether it be products, whatever it is, give it your all. You can be the best at it. You can make a great life and a great living. For you and your family if you truly strive to do it just like your father Jamison did.
Yeah, it's so true. And that's, I, I remember one time reading an article in, uh, the New York Times about a, a taxi driver that was making $200,000 a year, and this is. 15 years ago.
Oh me. That's wild.
Okay.
And that's where it's like, probably
worse double. It's because he had the passion.
Yeah.
You know, I mean, you could do anything.
It doesn't, nothing. Just having doctor, I have a son that's a doctor, but just having a degree or a law degree to make you go, it doesn't necessarily, you have to have passion for it. You, you have to want to take care of people or you have to want to practice law or you have to want to cut hair, or you have to want to do a podcast.
And if you really put your weight behind it and you fall in love with it. You'll never go to work. You'll always, you know, the flower will bloom and the bees will appear and the money will just start dropping on you without having to think about it. You know?
Chase What You Love, Not The Dollar
'cause if you're chasing just the dollar, you're chasing the wrong thing.
The dollar comes when you chase what you're great at and what you
enjoy. Yeah. What you enjoy and what you love and what you're, what makes you, which fuels you, you know? And if you continue to do that, you know, great things are always in your future.
Love that. And I think something else you mentioned that is very underrated.
Two things. One, the power of no.
Mm-hmm.
Oftentimes we overcommit ourselves and we say yes to too many things. Mm-hmm. To your point, we say yes to too many hobbies.
Mm-hmm.
That we think are important and they're really not. We need to prioritize and what matters in this moment. Mm-hmm. And I think something else that was really the mic drop moment that I still think needs to be repeated.
Be careful who you choose. In your partnerships, whether it be in your business or in your life. Mm-hmm. Because to your point, they're gonna decide your past. They're gonna decide your future.
Absolutely. If
we're not careful,
uh, and I'll leave you with this, please.
Major Time With Major People
You always wanna spend major time with major people and minor time with minor people.
Hmm. And that's part of the relationship building. If someone is not, if someone is a serotonin sucker in your life and they're taking that, that out of your soul, you need to get away from that. Yeah. You need to disconnect from certain relationships and places and friends that aren't pushing you to your best purpose.
Mm-hmm. And helping you become and be the best version of yourself. Mm-hmm. You know, I wanna be, I wanna be able to walk down these halls at a BS and know that. I don't have to be in the room to protect myself. Mm-hmm. Because how I carry and live a life full of trust and love and gratitude. I know when someone talks my name, it's all a good thing.
They're speaking good things because kindness is, is two ways it's, and
if
you give it out, it'll come back to you.
I love that Candy. And last thing I always leave everyone with when we end the episode. And you can help me with this as well, if you think I could do better. I always leave everyone with a challenge.
Okay. Challenge
something. They can go challenge out there and do a challenge, right? So the challenge I'm getting that I think would make the most sense, based on what me and you talked about, I'd probably say ask yourself.
Try This Tomorrow
Ask yourself this week, what is your true passion? What is something you believe in wholeheartedly?
And figure out how much time are you committing to that passion. Every day or every week. And what I'd say set aside, if it's a passion of yours, maybe even 10 hours a week, just focus on perfecting that passion. Let's start, give yourself 10 hours next week to perfect your passion, where you're only committed to studying that.
Mm-hmm.
And let us know how it goes. Reach out to either myself or Candy and let us know the good news. Speaking of which, I almost, well, how do you think of that challenge? Is that okay?
I think that challenge is great.
Okay.
Because when you think of screen time that you spend on your phone, sometimes it's disgusting.
It's disgusting.
I look at it 'cause my phone will tell me and I'm like, what have I done Uhhuh? I know I haven't got enough done
then on my phone. Don't tell me you can't commit 10 hours out of, out of a, out of a, a very, a long week to just give it back to you. Yeah. I love that.
Love it. Alright, and now how can we connect with you Candy, and see more of you learn more from you?
Where should we go?
Well, I live in Atlanta, Georgia. My Instagram is at the Bali lama, you know, because I teach the Bali Lama, but also I have an academy in Atlanta, and that's, you know, Facebook, it's Candy Shaw, and you know, on the show floor in a classroom. Okay. Uh, on YouTube. I mean, you're everywhere. Is there anything else?
Actually, it's funny, you know, I, I, I just turned 61, so I'm sort of in this place now where I'm like, oh, no, don't bring me another platform. I just, I just figured out how to work this one. Now, you know, it goes from, you know. Snapchat to, you know, Facebook, Snapchat. Oh, there's so much no TikTok. And I'm just like, okay, no, no, I can't now.
I just went to a conference last weekend trying to learn all about ai. Oh
yeah.
You know, and I'm just, and
that's a new thing.
Oh, that's gonna be my challenge. Just committing my 10 hours
to my AI
learning that
it's worth it too. I, uh, I use, we use AI in a lot of what we do from creating our clips to.
Helping do our research, studying, figuring out, oh, I've heard
Riverside. I'm already,
it does
much,
I'm already looking at all these little apps that kind do the editing and take all those things. Mm-hmm. It's great, isn't it?
Cap cut's really good too. So we that that's great.
Yep.
Um, so I, I digress, but AI definitely something good.
I'm trying to learn more about it too. Right.
So I'm with you. Well, that's my challenge to you.
I got you. I'm actually in a course right now where it's, uh, marketing with ai, so I'm, I
love it.
I'm with you. I'm in the game.
I know. Well, I can't take one more, so this is it for me. Okay. I just want you to know, so
this is the last
one.
I'm, I'm drawing the line here. I do not want another digital platform ever anymore. I'm just too old to try to figure all this out and remember all this and do all this.
No, I think you're gonna do fine. I think you got it. I think AI needs to be ready for you.
Yeah. As
far as I'm concerned.
Well, thanks. Out of your mouth to God's ears.
I love it. All right. Now we'll wrap up, but. I love this Candy. You are amazing.
Thank you.
I hope everyone else knows. Kand is amazing too. You need to check her out.
Thank you.
All of your links to make it easier are gonna be in the description. Well,
thank you.
So everyone will be able to find their way to you.
Thank you.
With that being said, everyone, complete the challenge. Don't be soft. Don't give up. Let's go out there. Let's win. Let's have some fun. Now let's have a blessed week.
That's right.
Thank you all.
Thank you, David. This was a pleasure.
Candy. This wasn't pleasure for me. Is it okay if I give you a hug? I enjoyed this so much.
Honey.
Are you kidding? Heart to heart.
This was
amazing. That's it. That's it.
Thanks. Wow.
Yes, it's okay.
It's fine. It made it more lively. It made it more real.