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The environment around us is a swirling vortex of chaos, but you can navigate it when you have an anchor that can keep you steady. Each episode, Liz Herl dives into data driven strategies and real world tactics with Dr. Tim Caldwell to help you become more grounded and centered in a world that is constantly shifting and changing. Learn to effectively navigate family strife, career challenges and handle the anxiety of the unknown that the news is constantly bombarding us with. Liz is a Licensed Clinical Marriage and Family Therapist and Dr. Caldwell is a retired primary care physician and personal trainer. You can lean on their decades of experience to find stability and peace without having to control circumstances or people around you. You can be anchored in chaos.
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Liz Herl: Hello again.
Tim Caldwell: Liz,
Liz Herl: I was wondering if you were gonna catch up there.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah.
Liz Herl: Hello everyone. Welcome back to Anchoring Chaos Podcast.
Tim Caldwell: Hi. It's good to see you again, Liz.
Liz Herl: Thank you. You say that every time, but that's, I know, I know. I see you every day, but, but it's good to see you here.
Tim Caldwell: It's good to see you here.
Liz Herl: All right, so today we are yet again, kind of stepping into both sides of our houses.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah, we are.
Liz Herl: Little bit more your [00:01:00] side today. Yep.
Discussing Dwayne Johnson's Physique Change
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Liz Herl: But I wanna talk about the mental health components. What brought this to our attention, my attention that I brought it to you is most recently Dwayne the Rock Johnson kind of stepped into the light of how his physique has changed,
Tim Caldwell: thrown in more than, more than anything else.
He's been thrown in.
Liz Herl: Okay.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah.
Liz Herl: And uh, I shared with you it was really. I guess soft for me, I don't know. I'm trying to find the words that I actually wanna use here. I just really, really felt for him in a really compassionate way, the way he kind of spoke to the change of his physique and kind of there was some defensive self there.
Sure.
Tim Caldwell: So, a little backstory. Give him a little backstory. What happened?
Liz Herl: Well, he most recently came out into doing a different movie or a role in, anyways, his, his appearance is drastically shifted. Yeah. From all the very large muscle physique that he generally had. Yeah. And he spoke to it because he wanted to defend self, that he wasn't using ozempic or anything of that nature.
And then [00:02:00] one of the statements he made that I said kind of as a therapist, kind of, I felt for him was when he said The muscles are gone. But you know, how he changed his physique for a role and what have you as a therapist, I heard some internalization of how that must feel to see your physique change after decades of working so hard for something else.
Yeah. And then it shifts. Yeah. And then the mental challenges there. Yeah. 'cause it's a bit of your identity, I imagine. And that he's less maybe in his eyes and maybe in potentially others or. Fans or whatever, and it's not the case. I mean, of course I can say that as a therapist, but as an individual that has that level of compassion we just get, we change, we get older, we realize we have to do things differently.
That's right. And we get tired. And we're gonna address all of those things in this. So it's more about, yeah. Well, I'm gonna say what I think the title of this is, and then I want you to redefine it for what you Sure, sure. Perceive it to be. Absolutely.
Mental Health in Bodybuilding
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Liz Herl: So when the mirror stops defining you and how mental health shifts in the [00:03:00] bodybuilding world, what would you say to that?
Tim Caldwell: Well, if we're gonna speak specifically to the bodybuilding world, this is a topic I've been anxious to talk about for a very, very long time. Correct. I think of it as it's really hard to hang up your cape.
Liz Herl: Yes.
Tim Caldwell: Because I came from the strength world. I came from the coaching world. I came from a professional status as both bodybuilder, a coach and a trainer.
And as I got older. And I became more and more involved in business. And we see this all the time. Now my focus is not always on bodybuilding, so things have to change. Well, with that comes this aspect that I don't have time to train. I don't have time to eat right. I don't have time to do aerobics twice a day and or those fitness steps.
Sure. That seem excessive to most, but they're not. But more importantly is that that transition. To become what I've coined a normal little boy mm-hmm. Is not always easy. Mm-hmm. And. [00:04:00] Every body build. I think I could speak for every bodybuilder or anybody who's ever wanted to be strong, especially males, but females too, is if there's been an aspect in your life where you were the small kid, you were the kid with bad hair, bad teeth, bad eyes, bad, weak, tiny, scrawny compared to your brothers and especially to your peers, you probably.
Love the comics. Mm-hmm. I loved comics, I loved Fantastic Four and The Hulk and all of these guys that when this, when they wanted to be strong, they could just have this emotional thing and there was the strength. Mm-hmm. That type of escapism leads to a really kind of tragic dysmorphia.
Mm-hmm. Absolutely. In the way that we see things. 100%. Yeah.
Personal Experiences in Bodybuilding
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Tim Caldwell: And to dial in specifically to what we see with, Dwayne the Rock Johnson. I wanna say that this is, he's by no means the first victim of this.
Liz Herl: Absolutely. And I was gonna, we, we were looking back at that.
Tim Caldwell: Oh my gosh. We've seen, I was seeing
Liz Herl: Batista
Tim Caldwell: Batista.
Yeah. But you know, it goes longer than that. Arnold Schwarzenegger's [00:05:00] physique change. Dolph Lundgren and Jean claude Vanda. Alan. Rick Stallone. Stallone. Yeah. Yeah. All of these guys that were, the superstar. Unbreakable. Indestructible things based really around their physiques.
But what happened was, as their physiques changed, if they didn't morph correctly. The media was all over vicious. And now what we see with Batiste and what we see with Dwayne Johnson, is that these people are just savage. That he must be ill, he must be, and, and, more to the point too about this whole body acceptance thing is that you're damned if you're overweight and lose weight.
And you're damned if you're very fit and choose to lose weight. Right. And speaks personally to me. Mm-hmm. Dwayne Johnson is a big guy. Alan Richton, they're big guys. Yeah, absolutely. But they train. And if they, you can't fake a good physique, right? People will say, steroids this, steroids that.
I don't care who you are. If you've [00:06:00] trained long enough and hard enough, you're gonna have a great physique. And there'll always be people who are critical. And there'll always be people who are jealous. And there'll always be people who say, well, if I took the drugs you did, I'd be as, oh, yes, it doesn't happen, Liz.
Yeah. Right.
Liz Herl: I right. Absolutely. So
Tim Caldwell: I'm gonna speak in defense very much in defense of these guys.
Challenges of Maintaining Physique
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Tim Caldwell: Is that, everybody has to cross an age barrier at some point.
Liz Herl: Mm-hmm. Absolutely. And
Tim Caldwell: while these guys were young and they were 10 feet tall and they were bulletproof. Mm-hmm. And I don't care if they did drugs or not, they either didn't know the risks or they knew the risks and they were acceptable.
But at some point you can't do that. Mm-hmm. And with me. I'm now over 60. I used to be five five, two hundred and thirty pounds. Mm-hmm. That's a lot of weight for a little guy. Mm-hmm. That's a lot to feed, that's a lot to haul around. A lot to train. My, my blood pressure was too high. So I lost 50, I got down to 200 pounds.
It was good, but you know what? I had a bad hip. And when I addressed my hip, I had issues with blood pressure still. [00:07:00] So that's systemic inflammation. I needed to be leaner. It made all the right choices. Now, my decision, and we will discuss this further as we get down in our topic, but there comes a time when I have to accept the fact as will all of these guys.
That you can't put on muscle like you used to. Now this is about if you want to have a good appearance, look good. You don't have to have 24 inch arms. Mm-hmm. You don't have to be squat 500 pounds. Nobody cares. Mm-hmm. That is juvenile.
Liz Herl: You know, but one of the things really quick, I was gonna bounce back to Yeah, go ahead.
Regardless, and I, I wanna make this broader. We are literally talking about the bodybuilding industry and the physique industry right now, because first off, it's a really hot topic. Not just bodybuilding, but physiques and health and weight, managing your weight and things of that nature, which there's some necessary, components of those conversations. Mm-hmm. And then there's the misguided pieces that are happening in those conversations
Tim Caldwell: Yes. And those people who are the misguide, they're usually the [00:08:00] most vicious. Correct. Right. And, and I'm gonna, I'm not gonna mention this person's name mm-hmm. But there are, there are several people who, first name Greg.
Former bodybuilders and they make their living on tearing down other Yeah. Crucifying, other bodybuilders. Right? Absolutely, yes. Tearing down down other people's physiques. Mm-hmm. Are they natty or not? He's made his entire career on just ragging on people.
Liz Herl: Yeah.
Tim Caldwell: Fact is, is this guy was, this guy was at the bo, he was bottom rung.
He wasn't even middle of the road, he was just kind of a bodybuilder. Now he has a platform. Right. But the whole point is he sounds like Gilbert Godfrey and he s sniffles and, and
Liz Herl: well, it's just his demeanor in its nature, it's is just very unkind. But I find it to be petty and insulting. I was, as I'm sure many other stu to be honest, but when we're looking broad.
At a broad view of this, I'm thinking more along the lines of when you talk about when someone loses weight. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Either you're taking something or you're sick. Right? And it was interesting because as I went [00:09:00] through my weight loss, people ask me, are you sick? And I'm like, no, I'm not sick.
I am working out and eating differently. Yeah. And I, I lost weight, but remember that doesn't matter and I'm no. Bodybuilder by any means, but I was at a heavier size. I became a smaller size, and I was still ridiculed for that smaller size. Right. In a way, not, I shouldn't say use the word ridiculed, but questioned.
Yeah. Are you sick? And I'm like, no, I'm just eating better and I'm exercising more. So it's kind of like the damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of situation that. When we think about competitive bodybuilding or physique or athletes that have to concentrate a lot on their physiques, you spend years crafting.
Your body with precision, right? Like you're trying to make and
Tim Caldwell: sacrifice
Liz Herl: and significant sacrifices.
Body Dysmorphia and Identity Crisis
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Liz Herl: But what happens when that shifts? That something has to change
Tim Caldwell: Yeah.
Liz Herl: By a numerous amount of things. First off, we just, in general, our mental capacity, our burnout, like we're just exhausted from the game, right?
Or is it just life [00:10:00] inevitable, you know? Transitions of your health, of your age, like things start operating differently. Absolutely.
Tim Caldwell: That's absolutely true. And so we have
Liz Herl: all of those factors that we have to come into play. One of the things that I would refer to back to the clip that I really hope is honestly 'cause there's so much AI stuff out there that is being rearranged for people that I hope it did actually come from Dwayne Johnson.
And that is when he said, you know, that, how he has changed in that he had some digestive issues. I bet he
Tim Caldwell: did very frequently. I
Liz Herl: bet he did. You bet. And I, I believe that 100% is true. With those eating habits, I can't imagine like the strain
Tim Caldwell: there are very few great trainers and great coaches. There are some, I can name right off the top of my head, even some historical ones, like Charles Pollin. But it's very frequent. That some of the most healthy and amazing looking bodies are terribly, terribly sick. I know. It's, they're terribly sick.
It's because we've smashed all these extremes and mm-hmm. Size and [00:11:00] vascularity and muscularity into these packages with no body fat. That's not natural. Mm-hmm. Nature o bores that type of, of, of animal. There would never be a 300 pound bodybuilder who's vascular and huge naturally. There are exceptions.
And those unicorns are Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman. These are the people who, man, they were outstanding athletes. They were incredibly strong, they had incredible muscle mass, and you expose them to just a little bit of steroids there, monsters. Mm-hmm. They're unbeatable and, but they are perfect examples of a transition because they are, they are both of those men at literally their peaks.
Their bodies began to fail or they got injured and when they woke up tomorrow morning, their career was over. Now what do I do? Mm-hmm.
Liz Herl: One of the most enlightening, and I probably watched this over a few years ago, was the documentary with. Ronnie Coleman.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah,
Liz Herl: and it was fascinating.
I actually, 'cause I'm not [00:12:00] familiar, this is all very new to me. Yeah. I'm not familiar with the bodybuilding industry or anything of that nature, but I am a big documentary fan. Fan and I, I found it intriguing. And listening. I mean, his strength was incredible. He actually has a really great personality too.
Yeah. He's Very wonderful guy. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, you could see that realism play out in his interviews. And of course he has his famous statement or his
Tim Caldwell: he has a Yeah, buddy.
Liz Herl: He has, yeah, buddy. And then there's another one, I can't remember it, but, but to watch how lightweight, lightweight, go lightweight, baby.
Lightweight, maybe that's right. There it is. But. He, you know, he went through his own health crisis. Yeah. And when it, it's showing the doctors are showing like his body cannot continue to operate this way. And this is the the part I wanna step into around that identity crisis. When these things go away, what do you have left when you have spent your life?
You know, [00:13:00] creating this indi, you know, this physique and you've gone through all these transformations. I mean, you've had where your, your bulking phases or your cutting phases and mm-hmm. I mean that, yo-yo, I can only imagine what that's like, but how draining that is. And then what happens with you when your body.
Says we're changing whether you like it or not. Sure. Well,
Comparing Bodybuilding to Other Life Changes
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Tim Caldwell: I don't, I, I will continue to apply this through bodybuilding standards. 'cause they're extremes. They're really easy to identify. But let's look at women who've had multiple children. Mm-hmm. Right. I've gained weight.
I lost weight. Let's, that's a very good example. Let's say you're an active fit individual. I gained weight and then I wanted to get back my, to my. Physique fine. I gained weight again for another baby, and then after the baby I wanted to get back. You find it's tougher? Mm-hmm. Third baby. I gain more weight.
Mm-hmm. And that weight hangs on longer. Mm-hmm. And it's hard for me to get off. In fact, it's not just hard to get off. It's sometimes impossible to get off because your body is now shifting over to almost this [00:14:00] paradigm that this is my mom body. Right? This is my mothering body, and I don't have the energy or the focus to go back to the gym.
And as a result, there's a whole metamorphosis. Mm-hmm. Good, bad, I don't know. But it could be five or 10 years when they go, I'm tired of this. I want to get back to where I was.
Liz Herl: Right, right, right. Or, but they don't
Tim Caldwell: bounce back like they used to.
Liz Herl: Oh, no one
Tim Caldwell: does
Liz Herl: well, and to kind of share that kind of mentality is, as you met me, my.
I told you, I'm I just wanted to lose a few pounds. Yeah. I wasn't looking to have a physique necessarily. Yeah. Because I told you I've never been an athlete. I've never done an athletic thing in my life. Yeah. Just because that wasn't part of my upbringing. We didn't have those kind of sports and things of that nature
so I'm like, I'm not, don't look for me to be running any big, feats here, but the end
Tim Caldwell: and, and typically just shed a little light. And to be on the truth scope here, you said to, I don't wanna have really big arms. I don't wanna have really big, I have heard that from every woman in my, in, in my entire training career, my traps and [00:15:00] what it was like, I'm not, I'm not gonna have shoulders.
And I told you I don't want women to have giant traps. Right. I've told. All my clients, if they're at any time during your training with me, I don't care how long you've been, you get too big and you're unhappy with the way you look. I'll give you every dime you've ever paid me back.
Right, right. Because that ain't gonna happen.
Liz Herl: Well, and you are. And talking about phase of life, which is what we're kind of going into. Sure. And that's where I was at. And 'cause I was also perimenopause when I was trying to do all this.
Impact of Social Media and Public Perception
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Liz Herl: And so we, there is a lot of conversations right now focusing on perimenopause and menopause for women, but I don't really hear a lot of transitional talk that men actually go through a lot of changes themselves.
Yeah. And women have, you know, I would say more identifiable reaction mood shifts. Yeah. You know, sexual, you know, libido, things of that nature. Guess what? So do men, but I just don't, I think there's just not a lot of discovering that
Tim Caldwell: actually, I actually, I would say men were before women because there was a time when you couldn't get on the [00:16:00] internet or almost every, that's not true.
I'm exaggerating, but the commercials on commercial tele television, if I were an alien watching tv, I would think every male was dissatisfied with the sight of his genitals and that he had ed. Oh, and am I wrong?
Liz Herl: No, I see what you're saying. 'cause
Tim Caldwell: because that went on forever. It still goes on. Yeah. Now I get, now it's on the internet.
Mm-hmm. Now it's on the internet. Now we're concentrating more on the mental. A psychologic and hormonal wellbeing of women. Now we have a new market, right? Are I gained too much weight, I can't lose weight. My libido's dropped. You're, you're getting all the same pitch men got.
And now we've got a whole new market around let's get women horny and in, in bed with men because they, their stuff's working now. Right. Yeah, it's tragic. But the whole point is, is that from the outside view, it's, we're all, you don't, I know you don't like when I say this, but we are all broken. Oh, here
Liz Herl: we go
Tim Caldwell: with that again.
But with, but with us being [00:17:00] broken, we're also repairable.
Liz Herl: That's the, the hope of discovering our broken parts Yeah. Is to re restore and heal. That's kind of where I, I say that when, when I hear that. You're kind of ventured away here, but the purpose of kind of going back into, I'm kind of leading into the identity crisis, so when you step off the stage and you're not a Yeah.
You know, you're not a pro anymore, you're not competing anymore, you're not counting your macros, you're not prep, preparing.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah.
Liz Herl: That's such, I can't imagine. And this goes for, you know, any individual that's done something for a significant period of time, consistently over time that he's created an ident identifying baseline of self and then suddenly.
Yeah, you don't do that anymore. Right. And your brain's like, what is happening? Yeah. It's like I have no purpose. I, you know, your social
Tim Caldwell: circle has changed
Liz Herl: completely changed or abandoned you.
Tim Caldwell: Or abandoned you. Or have abandoned
Liz Herl: you. And, then it's on top of that, I, not only am I [00:18:00] mentally changing be, but I looked down and I'm like, whose body is this?
Tim Caldwell: Yeah.
Liz Herl: And that's tough. I mean, it's, it is very tough. I can say as a woman, not a bodybuilder. During times of being at my heaviest generally after I had a baby. I was kind of like, gosh, man, what's going on here? Like, this isn't my body. But then there was some obviously bounce back from that, but, but when.
That's like my comparison. But if you look down and you're like, you're waking up in this every day, you're looking in the mirror of it every day and you're just, I mean, I can imagine that could be really empowering.
Tim Caldwell: Oh, absolutely. And, body dysmorphia, it's forever. Mm-hmm. People who know me know that you'll never see me in shorts or long, short, I'm working on it.
Short. Say short. I'm despite knowing that I do have a better than average physique, I'm never comfortable. No, I know. Well, by looking at that, I
Liz Herl: know it's called therapy, Dr. And
Tim Caldwell: there's lots of, there's lots of stuff that goes into that, but can you imagine when you were a superstar in the [00:19:00] world?
Like Arnold Schwarzenegger for his physique. Mm-hmm. Now he has the internal gravitas and strength to say, I don't need to have that anymore. I'm big on other things too. I'm big in business and finance and real estate. He's a monster at a lot of things, but like I said.
Guys like Ronnie Coleman and Dorian Yates and even Flex Wheeler who had one of the most beautiful physiques in the entire world. He had, I believe, a diabetic reaction and lost a leg. And if you can imagine what it would be like to be God, you were just revered.
Liz Herl: Well, and that's when I say what happens when that loss of admiration both external and internal happens.
Yeah. Like that's, there's such an uh, very
Tim Caldwell: dark times
Liz Herl: I can imagine it would be because. You've created this person off of a physique. And ideally there's like more to you than that. I think that's one of my biggest things, like, yeah, you have a personality. 'cause we, we've talked about this. There are beautiful men and women out there that are incredibly gorgeous to [00:20:00] look at, but hold, hold a conversation with them.
Good lord, help me. Because Yeah,
Tim Caldwell: no lie. They're just like,
Liz Herl: you have no personality. Yeah. No lie. I always say you have a personality of a wet paper bag.
Tim Caldwell: There no lie that, that we're
Liz Herl: talking about people that have those positive. Personality traits that are really engaging and charismatic.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah. And I, you know, as a bodybuilder and spending over 40 years in, in that realm in power lifting, Olympic lifting strength, a athletes, I can speak all their languages. I understand. I, most of the time people think that you're big, dumb, big dumb animals. Yep. But they're super intelligent guys out there too.
But bodybuilders are rare. They're still rare. They're, I don't know, maybe one out of. Every 5,000, I don't know what the rate is, but body builds are still pretty rare. So a really good physique stands out still. Mm-hmm. But there will always, you know, no matter how fit you are, you are, you're on drugs, you're on drugs for, well, there's ridicule and that's ridicule.
But there's also in this body positivity thing that we have going on, [00:21:00] Lizzo came out and lost a lot of weight. I know I told everyone in my social media, two things will happen. When, when, when she was getting all this attention shade about her weight, two things will happen. She'll either be dead in five years or she'll be skinny.
And she became skinny.
Liz Herl: Well,
Tim Caldwell: and now everyone hates her.
Liz Herl: It's unfortunate. Yeah. Because again,
Tim Caldwell: you're damned if you do, damned
Liz Herl: if you don't. That's right. Because I was representing one area of the population and now to take a better look at my health. Which is the idea than I get persecuted by the even
Tim Caldwell: Adele.
Oh, I know. Biggest name. One of the biggest names. Of all time. Yeah. But well, she lost all that weight and she became everybody side eyed, her like, oh, you're not us anymore. You're not one of us anymore.
Liz Herl: Right. Well, and that's, the give and take. Mm-hmm.
Celebrity Transformations and Health
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Liz Herl: So, so what happens in the mental shift in this
is what comes. What comes to us or what happens in our own mentality. Well, you've already discussed if you didn't have body dysmorphia, it's definitely gonna emerge about this time. You bet. And it's, [00:22:00] I don't say that casually. I think that's very challenging for any individual a significant number of the population have this, we just don't identify with it.
Yeah. Because we have great deflectors of, oh, it's not this, it's this. Versus saying, no, I really critique myself in whatever. I have to wear certain outfits. For instance, I just had pictures with my children and when I got the pictures back, I immediately thought to myself, I shouldn't have wore those jeans.
And I'm like, okay, Liz, wait a minute. Like immediately I was already critiquing, oh, I had a better pair of jeans. I should have wore those jeans. And I'm like, and now I, of course I'm working on self like, well that's ridiculous. Like, this is silly, but. It happens to all of us. We immediately go into kind of some sort of self-sabotage or criticism.
So for this industry alone, it's for having what? An off season, an on season. We know significantly in with celebrities themselves, which I think is [00:23:00] incredibly challenging. Where they had worked in emaciated roles where they've really destroyed their bodies for roles. It's so terrible. But you know, that's what the role called for Matthew
Tim Caldwell: McConaughey, Christian Veil.
Liz Herl: Yeah. Oh, it was unbelievable. And I just think, wow, I always think about the, now that I know the side of the organs like how your heart works there in your liver and all that. Yeah. They're tortured, right? Yeah. But. That's like the call of duty. Mm-hmm. Like this is what you signed up for.
Yeah. This is what you have to do. And so when that all goes away, then what do I do? And who am I?
Tim Caldwell: I've trained my fair share of celebrities, really giant names. And I can tell you one in particular sought me out when I was in Colorado Springs. He had three weeks to train.
He wanted to lose 30 pounds and look like a drug addict. Now this guy's already in shape. But I told him, that would be really dangerous. I'm willing to do it. So I put him on this bizarre thing, and he just was an active, he's just moving around like a shrew all the time, just burning calories.
And, I bailed on him. He wanted to keep going and he did. Mm-hmm. Without me, but he was so [00:24:00] unhealthy. I'm like, this isn't gonna happen. So their pursuit, this Hollywood pursuit to become something that. Isn't real and to read words that aren't there. Mm-hmm. Isn't to be somebody who they aren't.
That's all pretend. But in the real world, when we see these, these are people I'm so lucky and they have great physiques or their physique is being their vehicle, and now all of a sudden we get to become the author and the authority on, well, you're not healthy. Right. We're creating fair narrative that looks terrible.
Mm-hmm. And before you were too big, oh, you look terrible. Mm-hmm. Now you're too small. It damned if you do right. Damned if you don't. But the psychology, right? It is, it becomes a world of being lost. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I say that firsthand is that there are times when you're going through all of this as a competitive bodybuilder, I won my fair share of shows.
I have, when these ding dongs, like this Gragg guy pop up and he talks about these really accomplished bodybuilders who. He just [00:25:00] thinks that he knows, has all the answers. I would always tell them, brother, you want to come shine some chrome? You can come over to my place. Mm-hmm. I got lots of chrome, I got lots of trophies.
I got lots of plaques and swords and some trophies taller than me. I don't want to hear any of your expertise on that. What I want people to understand is that when we step away from all that stuff, it leaves us very. Empty. Mm-hmm. We don't, we're trying to find an identity. And my heart goes out to Dwayne Johnson right now.
The world is so cruel. It is so cruel, so cruel. It's
Support Systems and Mental Shifts
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Liz Herl: incredibly cruel and it's wonderful to know, like the, what are the supportive pieces are when you're going through something like this around your family? Yeah, because it just, you, I mean, I would definitely advise staying off social media and some capacity because, but
Tim Caldwell: they can't,
Liz Herl: I know, I understand.
Tim Caldwell: The one redeeming thing about social media, the general public, they have the attention span of a goldfish on crack. Mm-hmm. In a week no one will care. Yeah. They'll be onto somebody else. Right.
Liz Herl: Which [00:26:00] is terrible. But there's facts to that. Yeah, that's true. And when we go back to like how we handle the mental shift that's happening to us, you know, I imagine the social pressure and the.
Feeling peered at differently mm-hmm. Like looked at differently. Mm-hmm. Or, oh, you look different carrying that kind of weight. You know, like, yeah. It's like, oh, okay. Is that a compliment?
Tim Caldwell: You know? Well, Liz, you've gotten it and it, oh yeah. you've received that type of, gotten it, is that a word?
You've received that, and I, know most my female clients do is when most of, I guess the average age of the people who I work with, there's probably close to 50. I have one in the eighties and some in the thirties. But as a result of changing the way that they look, you'll have people go, man, look at your arms.
Right? Mm-hmm. Well, it's not that my arms got bigger, it's that the rest of my body got smaller. Mm-hmm. Right? My, my proportions have changed, and this is what I put out about men when they're in their fifties, forties, fifties, sixties. I can't guarantee you we're gonna put on a lot of mass, but we can lose a lot of [00:27:00] mass.
That's not being. Used very well. Mm-hmm. Or it doesn't look through proper diet. But if we just keep exercising, it's not, everyone should have nice shoulder to weight RA or waist ratios and nice arms and sure pretty legs and calves, which you hate. You hate doing calves. I hate doing calves. But the whole point about all of those things is those are very visible muscles and pretty soon people go, well you look really pretty, but you're gonna get the behind your back.
You're gonna get that.
Addressing Misconceptions and Body Image
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Tim Caldwell: Oh man, she must be on something. Right? Or you know, she's doing something cheating or she's starving herself. Yeah, she's probably starving herself.
Liz Herl: The understanding the truth in the transition away from that identity is, a constant transition. 'cause you can now open your mindset, which is a healing mindset of self, mentally, hormonally.
That's another big one. Yes. And emotionally, because now I have to realize that not just my body is shifting, but every cellular piece of me is shifting as well. Yep. And that's another hard kind of, you know. Coming into awareness of as [00:28:00] well.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, it is.
Personal Health Journey and Challenges
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Tim Caldwell: And let's say it's just time that you're working against, right?
I'll use myself as an example. May of last May of this year, I had a heart attack. Mm-hmm. And pretty much out of the blue. I didn't have high cholesterol, I didn't have anything. But these experts come out and say, well see, when he got sick it's because he was bodybuilding.
He was 30, 30 years, 20
Liz Herl: years ago. When you're bodybuilding 30 years ago,
Tim Caldwell: I'm getting all kinds of speculation from these experts and mm-hmm. No, that's
Liz Herl: not how it works. Mm-hmm.
Tim Caldwell: And then this dingdong Gragg is telling. Telling the the world that he had a closed off left circumflex artery. And dude, unless you know that stuff, you're just shooting blank.
You're just a big, loud mouth. Well, and they're just, it's harmful and hateful.
Liz Herl: It is. And it's their level of insecurity to it's ridicule. Yeah. It's all
Tim Caldwell: for clicks,
Liz Herl: ridicule others.
Adapting to Physical Changes
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Liz Herl: And so what do we do? When we start looking at our body [00:29:00] differently. Mm-hmm. So that's in itself challenging. Yeah.
Because you may not be accepting the new body you have. Yeah. Which is really, really challenging. And understanding that you're discovering how to eat differently when you've eaten one way, especially if you're actually trying to heal your system. Yeah. Physically heal your system and mentally heal your system.
Yeah. But heal your digestive track. Mm-hmm. Or anything of that nature. What that takes, like I have to. Everything that I've always done, I'm gonna have to do completely different. So give yourself a course, you know, some kindness, humble grace around that. Yeah.
Mental and Emotional Well-being
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Liz Herl: And one thing about, and that's something that you and I letting go of this next piece is something that I don't.
I don't see that You've done very much.
Tim Caldwell: Tell me what,
Liz Herl: and that is letting go of some rigid routines and ex and experiencing some more relaxed moments. Okay. Like I know, I, I know it's really hard 'cause like you're like, we're training at this time and this is when we're training. I'm like, okay, yes, we're training at this time.
And Oh, [00:30:00] I wasn't able to come and something came up. It was like, we are here to train. And I was like, okay. So that's a little bridges. Well,
Tim Caldwell: I mean, it's not like I'm ranting and raving, but But it has been your life. That's a hard thing to break. Yeah,
Liz Herl: that's exactly what I'm speaking to. I really do offer you compassion around that because I know that's your mentality.
You're. It's training time. It's good. I see you like you're in another hemisphere when you're training. At times it, and I realize on like he's in his own means land there. Four
Tim Caldwell: people. Four people, and it's a little unrelatable for people who haven't been that, but.
Reevaluating Rigid Routines
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Tim Caldwell: If you've been a, if it's been part of your life, your whole life, it's my therapy.
Mm-hmm. It's my church. Mm-hmm. It's where I get stuff done. I would gladly have a bad workout than any day of just staying around. Sitting idly by. Yeah. I, I'm not sure how that works, but it's, but what I wanna encourage people to do is
Liz Herl: letting go of those rigid routines. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And exploring a little bit more relaxation. No, [00:31:00] no. And you're, you're right about that. It is hard. It, I, I am being honest in saying that it, I have a lot of compassion. I know it's hard. Then you're so, so as
Tim Caldwell: an example for. Let's say you've been a very fit woman, a very fit woman. Mm-hmm. You've had two or three children.
Mm-hmm. And change of life has come on and hormonal things are changed. And you know, I'm not the one who's going to allow you to just blame the children forever. Well, it's just baby weight and mm-hmm. That was 30 years ago. Mm-hmm. Okay. We need to, any more than I will from, I'll get clients and, you know.
20 years ago, I said, you do a hundred foot pushups and okay, let's try one today. Mm-hmm. Because you're so out of shape. Let's just, let's just, let's re, let's take a new vision on what you are and how we're gonna repackage this.
Liz Herl: Right. So I hear you saying there in that rigid mentality, sometimes that's not beneficial for us.
Tim Caldwell: It's really detrimental to you, especially because it's really hard to establish a. A concrete goal [00:32:00] around what you used to be,
Liz Herl: right?
Hormonal Changes and Their Impact
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Liz Herl: Well, and I can share with you that most recently in the last year where I felt I was at my highest fitness level of my entire life a few years ago, within this last six months, I.
Bottomed out 'cause menopause came knocking. And I became soft very quick. Mm-hmm. And I'm like, what is happening? Nothing changed necessarily in my eating habits in my fitness, but my body just worked against me. And I'm like, what is going on? Yeah. And that's why we've had episodes over that shift that happens for women because, what did I say in that episode?
Absolutely. My whole identity. Was just attacked. Like, how is this happening? I'm not doing anything and everything is softening on me, and I'm not sure. It was very, very jarring. Yeah. And so that internalization that kind of happens there,
Tim Caldwell: which is a good point to be made to people who are, if they haven't glom onto this yet, when age comes a knocking and you and nobody's gonna be, nobody's gonna be safe from this [00:33:00] hormonally, your body changes.
I don't care instantly what you've been in in the past, that's, I don't care how fit you were. Testosterone drops estrogen, maybe rises, estrogen drops, testosterone rises, progesterone, aldosterone, all of these hormones that should be working normally in your body. Now they're wonky, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm.
They're, they're just like. That we've heard of pregnancy, brain, where women who are pregnant, they forget things. I mean, really silly things, but it's pregnancy, mom, the hormones are just raging. Same thing. When those hormones aren't being produced in the right amount.
And this is men and women
Liz Herl: Yes.
Functional Health and Aging
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Tim Caldwell: And this is, when I'm speaking to, as we address this, this is part of the functional health that I have been talking about. I've been talking about this long before it became all the rage. Let's get you back to a healthy, you. I don't really care what you do, but we shouldn't have to struggle to put our shoes on.
We shouldn't struggle to get down on the ground or to get up off the ground. Or are you gonna be okay if you fall?
Liz Herl: Mm-hmm.
Tim Caldwell: Those things all change and,
Liz Herl: but those are, [00:34:00] that's that shift. That's a shift. Very, very hard. Yeah. 'cause I can film in, I would, I share this with people all the time that I think in my.
Mind I am like the 25-year-old Liz. And then my body's like not so much. Yeah, yeah. But you think you are still this very young individual. And then something starts happening and I was joking the other day with a, a client that I went to kick something to the side and I got this jolting pain up my side.
I'm like, oh my goodness. Like, oh yeah. It's like your body betrays you so instantaneously that it's just like. What is happening to you? Yeah, you too. I would say have some comedic relief to it because if you take it all onto Absolutely internally, then it can be overwhelming, but All of these factors we're what we're talking about here, kind of circling around bodybuilding is.
It's widespread in every different dynamic of people's lives. We're just kind of utilizing one area right now. And so [00:35:00] when you're trying to change that understanding with your body, you are able to open up your mindset to creating more relationships reassessing your career mm-hmm.
Because you're gonna have to maybe change some different direction there. That's
Tim Caldwell: right.
Liz Herl: And. You know, learning how to actually rest and really take care of yourself a little bit differently. Yeah. Than
Tim Caldwell: train less, train lighter,
Liz Herl: which is all challenging. Yeah, it
Tim Caldwell: is.
Training Adaptations and Functional Strength
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Liz Herl: And then I really think this is really important, like rebuilding your relationship with your body, not as a project, but as a partner.
Yeah, absolutely. I think I like that, that mentality because it's almost like you're just. There's a acceptance, there's some compassion around that with yourself and your body. That's my mentality around that. Sure. Is. It's very loving.
Tim Caldwell: Sure.
Liz Herl: And not so critical, because we seem to do that a lot.
Tim Caldwell: Sure. Well, in my career as a professional coach and trainer, I'm supposed to inspire you and motivate you, but motivation is fleeting. To inspire you to aspire to other [00:36:00] things. That's really rewarding for me and to see, like I have some clients right now who are in a stage where they're just starting to ramp up.
Oh yeah. Mm-hmm. Their bodies changing, their confidence has gone up. Their strength is, everything's going up. It's really cool to see, but most of it is you know, well, I'm. i'm in my fifties or sixties and my skin's too loose, or I got a belly, or I got, you know what? We all do. And guess what?
Nobody cares about your belly. 'cause they care about their belly. But the whole point is, is we can work on all that you are doing. More people who wanna take care of themselves are doing more than the vast majority of the rest of the world who's just riding the couch, right? They're, they're eating whatever comes across their plate or through a fast, fast fat food.
What we call it fast food. We do
Liz Herl: call it fat food. Um,
Tim Caldwell: But when that stuff comes to them, they're not making. Much of a change. So the psychology needs to be all right. I will use myself as an example. I no longer try to be the strongest. I no longer try to [00:37:00] be the biggest, any of that. What I want now, and this is my own mental image, it's as private and as personal as anything.
Supporting Others and Sharing Knowledge
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Tim Caldwell: Is it when I go into the gym and train and I am in good shape and I am feeling quite well and I am lifting weights and I watch young and old people still. Watch me train because I train pretty intensely. I want them to go, damn, that old man can move some weight. Right? So he just, he's focused or he is intense or that's what you need to have Now it's this different kind of focus and intensity, you know, on
Liz Herl: something else.
Well, I would challenge you that you're still kind of having some considerations of self there, which anybody would. Sure. So I would say the conversation within your mindset goes from how do I look to, how do I feel?
Tim Caldwell: Yeah, that's good. And
Liz Herl: that's hard because. I'm probably looking at how, especially when you're everyone, this isn't bodybuilders.
This is everyone on the face of planet. Everyone is completely judged at, at all times is how you look. Absolutely. At [00:38:00] every given moment. There's no graceful moments. Yeah. There this concept of the
Tim Caldwell: judge free zone, that doesn't exist. It doesn't, oh, by the way, there's a piece of pizza on Friday. That's the, that's the motto for that, Jim.
It's pizza, free pizza on Friday.
Liz Herl: Oh, that's free Pizza Friday. I know. Watch
Tim Caldwell: me get sued.
Liz Herl: What, that wasn't me. I know. Versus what am I specifically training or sculpting mm-hmm. Into what am I supporting? I like that. Yeah. So one of the things that, you know, when we're talking about understanding the different conversations with ourselves and our body.
I speak to this a lot with my clients and with individuals that I talk to. 'cause I think it resonates relatability more for people. When you talk about how challenging it is for people, even just to be able to use the facilities and get up off the toilet comfortably without Yeah.
That's your
Tim Caldwell: independence you're talking about.
Liz Herl: And that's pretty significant. Mm-hmm.
Tim Caldwell: Like,
Liz Herl: I joked about kicking something a little outta the way and shooting up a pain in my leg, and I'm like, well, goodness sakes. You know, like how important it is for our joints and
Tim Caldwell: [00:39:00] yeah.
Liz Herl: Every, you know, I think about our joints, to be honest, but every part of us being limber and stretched.
That's another thing that I've, recently like the importance of stretching. Me too. It's just startling to me how much, that's so much more necessary for me now than it used to be. And so how do we start, welcoming in these kind of mindsets that you've maybe never created or you've had a negative view of like, well, that's like what a WSI does, or that's somebody you know, that's not training, that's, you know, this isn't training and that's gonna be the hard rewrite of the brain there of.
When I go and train how my training looks to what it used to look like. Yeah, right. That's gonna be tough. That's gonna be tough.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah. Right. Well, good athletes who've incurred injury, they all realize that there are exercises that perform just as well as maybe their favorite use to and they make that realization what I.
The average person to know is that you don't necessarily have to do weight resistance training, use your own body calisthenics and just doing those things with your own body [00:40:00] weight is how you're going to make yourself independent. And that functional strength is what's needed to get out of the bathtub, to get off the toilet, off the bed.
Mm-hmm. We're gonna say, but, but it all the proof is in the pudding is if you ever fall, are you gonna be able to, are you gonna survive the fall? Mm-hmm. Is it ain't gonna break. Mm-hmm. Because if you're really large and you come down on an ankle wrong, you come down on your wrist wrong, your collarbone, anything, you can break those things.
Not only that, can I get back up? Mm-hmm. Right. And I've seen more people who are in relatively good shape, but you know, they, they're so specific to what they do as athletes, they don't really have that kind of strength. So. part of functional training in the past with me, it was, I have people learn how to get up with no hands and how to spin over onto their back.
Mm-hmm. And how to you and I
Liz Herl: then the adaptive training we had
Tim Caldwell: that our adaptive training thing where we had to use our opposite hand and you only get to use one hand and
Liz Herl: Yeah. When we were throwing the medicine balls into the wall with Yeah, with your opposite
Tim Caldwell: hand. With
Liz Herl: the opposite one hand. Yeah.
That was. First off, my brain was like, what are you [00:41:00] doing? Yeah, yeah. We don't operate this way. Yeah. And it's, it was fascinating. That's probably having to do burpees with one leg, like one leg. You couldn't use, you just had to kind of Exactly. A burpee. Yeah, a burpee. People
Tim Caldwell: can't do burpees with two hands.
And you're asking me to do it with one hand.
Liz Herl: Well, that, yeah, I know. I had to roll on my shoulder and push myself up. Yes. It was excruciating. I'm like, and I don't like burpees in general. And if you
Tim Caldwell: remember, yeah. We didn't do it. We almost died in that thing. But the neat thing about it was.
The gym was cold, but we left sweat marks all over that mat. It
Liz Herl: was crazy. I was pretty sure I was two steps away from a small stroke. Yeah. Yeah. I was like this. That was a tough one. It was fun though. It was, it was really, it was really humbling and educating. 'cause again, I'm thinking I feel pretty good. I, you know, I train, I eat pretty well, and then this just it right out of me.
I was, yeah. Was just shocking. It's
Tim Caldwell: great. It's, it's great to that, that was designed for us to be able to at least, open ourselves up to the idea of people with disabilities coming in and training at the Genuine Effort gym. Absolutely. Yep. But it was also [00:42:00] because we wanted to go support Emily.
Brock. Thornton.
Liz Herl: Thornton, Brock.
Tim Caldwell: Thornton, Brock, sorry. Out in Virginia. And she's doing quite well.
Liz Herl: Oh, I follow her all the time. She's doing five. Yeah. Shout out
Tim Caldwell: to Emily.
Liz Herl: And so kind of circling back around, so what do individuals do when they're kind of entering into this phase?
Yeah. Whether, again, I wanna make it, you know, not just. Solely focused on bodybuilding, but yeah, no, any life, I get it. Change that you're going through. Any transition. Yeah. Job change. You know, things that really feel like they're your identity. Yeah. One of the things, you know, I'm always going to go here, and that is your mental health.
You need. Potentially someone to go ahead and process that with. Yeah. So I encourage a mental health provider and get some therapy around kind of how do, what are the steps I take here? What does this look like? Yeah. How do, how do I begin identifying me differently than the way I have before.
And being able to really start focusing differently on self is gonna be a bit of a challenge. And then. [00:43:00] I would say that there is factors of how do I look at food and nutrition differently. Right now we have, and I'm not trying to segue, I'm gonna finish out my list here before I segue over here.
But your physical self-care, like how, how are you taking care of yourself, like finding other avenues that find you. You know, you feel fulfillment in doing dancing or yoga or some sort of rock climbing. Yeah. I don't know. My son would love that part. Yeah. Community, find people that are supportive.
And group stuff. Yeah. Tai Chi in the park or Yeah, something. Yeah, absolutely.
Tim Caldwell: Hot yoga or something.
Liz Herl: Yeah. So there's just, you know, I mean, those are just a few little small variety. I mean, I've obviously the mental health support is one of the strong components there, but when we are thinking about.
How we're gonna change all of these aspects of self. That there's just such a timeline that you have to gradually move into it. And we live in a, world where everybody is supposed to quickly shift into something else. Like, okay, so now you're gonna be this person. So you're this person from [00:44:00] now, now.
And it's like, actually I'm trying to catch up from the other person I was
Tim Caldwell: before.
Liz Herl: Like, can I have a few minutes?
Tim Caldwell: Yeah. You know. In retrospect, a lot of the pressure is external and it's not really fair or proper. Since my heart attack, I still have some people view me and still they question not only how it happened, maybe I'd made questionable choices in my bodybuilding or something like that.
No, it wasn't around drugs. That's ridiculous. It's not around. Some catty or questionable lifestyle things happen. But once it happens, oh, now he's broken. He's had a heart attack in the past. Mm-hmm. And they'll bring that up over and over again, guys. It can happen to anybody.
Mm-hmm. For
Liz Herl: multiple different reasons. And it, and if
Tim Caldwell: you want me to throw a real wet blanket on. This little joy fire you're having is you can do everything right and get hit by a bus tomorrow. That's just how things go. We try to do the very best we can, but life is so risky. No one gets out alive.
Right. That's how it happens.
Liz Herl: That is true. So I have a [00:45:00] couple of questions for you. Yeah, go ahead. As my expert in this field, and I do think that this is. Focusing on obviously all the material we've covered today.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah.
Liz Herl: What advice would you give to athletes non-cell? You know, you don't have to be a celebrity for this.
You can just be an individual going through a transition in this nature. Sure. So what advice would you give athletes navigating this change?
Tim Caldwell: Okay. So take real stock in what you have. The old saying is the higher you climb, the higher your fall. It's true, but you know, if you've always been meeting of the kind of middle of the road and all these things, that's fine.
Find another way to be excellent at what you wanna do. Mm-hmm. If it's still a, if there's still something competitive that you wanna do, maybe it's in art, maybe it's in literature, maybe it's in, have you tried riding? Are there any other passions you could put this passion into and still take care of yourself?
Mm-hmm. But most of it is try not to. I try not to be [00:46:00] the heavyweight champion who just keeps going back into the gym and beating your brains out. Just be a commentator, be an expert, be a coach. Be whatever. That's, that's one thing too, is if you really were good at what you did, maybe your coaching knowledge is probably more valuable than all the trophies you ever had.
I think that's true with me. There's probably something very satisfying in sharing the information that you have, but it doesn't have to be around your physique anymore. It can be your knowledge now.
Liz Herl: So that was one thing, the things I was going to mention, I to give a head nod over to you that I hope that you are able to see I have the opportunity to work with you and watch you work with clients in whatever journey and in whatever.
Level they're at in their journey. I know where I was at when we started, but your expertise and guidance and humility around educating people with their nutrition, their understanding of their body, unrealistic ex [00:47:00] expectations is just so valuable that I hope that individuals that have gone through things of, if in this area, I would say.
Take stock in, like what you do know and how do I apply that to others reasonably. One of the things I've talked to numerous people about and I've mentioned multiple times on different episodes, my deterrence of. A professional trainer initially was because of the arrogance and the direction of like, you know, get your fat ass on there and start, you know, running for five miles and it's like, okay, that's not really motivating for me.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah.
Liz Herl: So shaming and putting me down doesn't really do things for me. That's the problem with a little bit in your industry is that there's such a negative feedback of how people are driven
Tim Caldwell: we've seen it.
Liz Herl: Yes, we've, seen it. You I have trained
Tim Caldwell: in gyms together across the country.
Yes. And we've seen people in other cities. You and I will watch a trainer. A trainer. Mm-hmm. Quote, air quotes, air quotes, air quotes, trainer, take a person. [00:48:00] Mm-hmm. Do they have a clipboard maybe. Usually they're just leaning on the machine while you're doing something and they'll talk to you and they go, okay, let's go over here now.
Mm-hmm. And they'll go over there and. That guy isn't inspired. He's not pushed. He's not prodded. He's not, how does it feel He, no information is being exchanged by this. Yeah. It's just pay me. See you tomorrow.
Liz Herl: Well, and I know myself and numerous of your clients that would be listening to this.
Cannot stand, the way you allegedly know how to count because you do not know how to count, and you say eight more, Liz. And then after you're just rounding that eight, you say six more or four more. And I'm like, I'm sorry.
Tim Caldwell: I think it should be a, an amendment for me.
Oh, is it, is that I take complete license that. When I see that you can do more, I don't care if I told you 10, you'll do 20. Oh, yes. I don't really, we're all aware you're gonna do it. It's not to crush you, it's to let you know you can do more.
Liz Herl: Mm-hmm.
Tim Caldwell: Mm-hmm.
Liz Herl: So crawling off the machine, that's a normal thing.
Tim Caldwell: But you know, [00:49:00] as well as I do. people have great, great workouts and I dare say people have trained with me and they'd go, I've never, they've trained a long time. That's right. I've never felt a workout like that before. But the neat thing is, is that I'm not out to crush you. Right.
I'm not out to break you. I don't wanna see you throw up. I'm not just throwing things at you until you break. If I have you do an exercise and I have, you put yourself in a new position and you're having to do a fraction of the weight you used to do. People will go, that's incredible.
Mm-hmm. I didn't know it could feel like that. Well, okay, so do more. Well, I am, I want to go up. You can't do that. Right. Well, right. And that's, my point is, that's right. Let's, I'm gonna hold you to what I see you do until you do it completely Right. And then we'll play with weights then. We'll,
Liz Herl: so, we kind of detoured there a little bit.
Yeah. Yeah. But I, I, the point is, is that, the individuals in this area, like your skillset is very important and knowledge knowledgeable, how you apply it will be very, very crucial and [00:50:00] relatable for people to be, be able to be encouraging. And I joke with the counting with you, but that's something you are very gracious in, is your approach with individuals is not, you know, I'm gonna make you this powerhouse.
You're running outta the building, you know. Yeah. Ready to smash the world kind of mentality that some people just don't find very, and I'm, I'm, I'm not gonna crush
Tim Caldwell: dreams. I'll do whatever you want me to do. Mm-hmm. I can make you big. I can make you strong. I can make you ripped up, but I can't do it all at once.
Liz Herl: Well, and I kind of challenge, I don't think you can do anything.
Tim Caldwell: I, that is a good point. I can't anything. I can't anything. I'm, I had to get you there. I'm gonna be your. I hope to be your Domini Cricket. Domini Cricket. Yeah, that's right, that's right. I wanna ride around. And if for those
Liz Herl: that are too young That's right.
That's a little cricket in pin. I'm, I'm gonna be your
Tim Caldwell: conscience and yeah. Remember the name of my business is Genuine Effort. It came from the very concept, very personal to me, is that I don't need [00:51:00] you to be anything. Superhero. I don't need you to lift incredible amounts or have incredible, all I need you to do is really make the effort.
Mm-hmm. And then incrementally, I will continue to test you until you, until you begin to master those things. And then once you master that, I will change the rules again, and I will test you with a new angle, a new weight, but the important thing behind that is it's you doing the work.
I'm there to support you and to let you know nobody's watching. Nobody cares how much you lift. Nobody. This is all about you. And when you leave the gym, and I, this is a frequent thing that I ask people when they leave, how do you feel? I want them to go, man, that was awesome. That was great. Mm-hmm. I feel great.
Mm-hmm. I wanna make sure that if, if at any end point I have. It's temporary in the gym, but it lasts a whole lot longer outside the gym.
Liz Herl: Absolutely. I had a
Tim Caldwell: great workout, right? And I'm in a, I'm in this, I'm spinning, I'm spinning in the right [00:52:00] direction, and I carry that over into my work. And then the way I feel, I want to eat better and I, Hey, let's take a bike ride later tonight.
Where normally I feel like having a nap. Do all those things. That's, that's important.
Concluding Thoughts and Gratitude
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Tim Caldwell: That's enough about me though. That's,
Liz Herl: In saying that kind of coming to close here. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I appreciate the conversation and I mean, this is, there's more to unfold here and we can look at different avenues.
Yeah. There is, this is just a little bit of a, a little piece of the nugget, if you will.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah.
Liz Herl: And, just knowing that if you are interested in learning more about Dr. Caldwell, you can go over to Genuine genuine effort llc.com. Mm-hmm. Find all about his information. Mm-hmm. And his gym. Well gym information there.
Yeah. I just want people to know that my hope for everyone is, is that not only are our mindsets allowed to change, our body is too.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah.
Liz Herl: We need to be a little bit more graceful in that. And then how we shift our priorities. That's a little challenging. Your self-worth your waistline, your abs, you know, all the things [00:53:00] like, I think that's really important that we kind of be humble and that you are more than your body.
That's a fact. You need to, You need to have a really, I would say, healthy vehicle in your terminology. That's
Tim Caldwell: a fact. Yep.
Liz Herl: But you are more than your body.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah. Well, Liz, thanks for. Let, this is a good topic. This is one that's very personal to me, and I've been dying to talk about this forever because I always talk about hanging up the cape, but that's how that affected me and how I know it affects other people who struggle and they keep trying to come back and get injured and they wonder why they can't do it.
They used to do when they were 20 and made outta rubber and magic, but. What I want people to take from all of this is congratulations and some gratitude for what they do for me too, because that this is, it's very, it's very fulfilling for me,
but it's rewarding too, that people get to they get to discover what's inside them, and [00:54:00] that discovery is what makes us all great.
Liz Herl: Thanks everyone. Always go to our social medias like us, do all the things that you're supposed to do in the social media world.
Yep. Appreciate it. Hip with all that, but
Tim Caldwell: yep, appreciate it.
Liz Herl: Until next time, everyone, take care of yourselves and
Tim Caldwell: thanks Liz. Thanks everybody.