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TBPN is a live tech talk show hosted by John Coogan and Jordi Hays, streaming weekdays from 11–2 PT on X and YouTube, with full episodes posted to Spotify immediately after airing.
Described by The New York Times as “Silicon Valley’s newest obsession,” TBPN has interviewed Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Mark Cuban, and Satya Nadella. Diet TBPN delivers the best moments from each episode in under 30 minutes.
Huge news over the weekend dropped. Mark Gurman dropped a massive scoop right after we got off on Friday night. Friday afternoon, Mark Gurman broke the news that Apple is suing OpenAI. Apple and OpenAI are going to war. The Wall Street Journal called it thermonuclear echoed past attacks, calling back to the jobs era.
Speaker 1:We'll get to that. But first, the accusations. Apple is suing OpenAI, accusing it of stealing Apple's trade secrets. Apple Inc. Sued OpenAI for trade secret theft, accusing the artificial intelligence startup and its hardware chief of engaging in a coordinated campaign to steal information about upcoming products.
Speaker 1:The iPhone maker said in a suit Friday that OpenAI encouraged Apple employees to share information, components, drawings, and other materials related to upcoming products. So, like, the robot? What are the upcoming products from Apple right now? Part of efforts by the AI company. The lamp.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Lamp.
Speaker 2:Smart like. The cobra lamp.
Speaker 1:The AI company developed its own suite of devices. I feel like rumors around the devices have gone back and forth. Is it a phone? Is it is it headphones? Is it something else?
Speaker 1:A pin? We're having Mark Gurman on the show today to break it down for us. He's coming out at 12:45.
Speaker 2:The funny thing is I bet Gurman knows more about OpenAI's devices than we do because That's we specifically why we're having a lot. Didn't wanna be read in anything Yeah. Device related because we knew there was gonna be so much speculation that we just said like, yeah, we're we're gonna be in the dark. We'll
Speaker 1:find out.
Speaker 2:We'll find out, like
Speaker 1:From the timeline. Everyone. The timeline. So the center of the lawsuit is a former Apple employee named Chang Liu, who left for OpenAI and allegedly kept his Apple laptop for weeks after he left the company, downloaded proprietary Apple files and encouraged other Apple employees to do the same. Yeah.
Speaker 1:If that happened, that's a big no no. When you leave a company, you gotta leave your device on the day you leave, usually. I mean, I was remembering back to I mean, we had a very graceful transition to this business from from Founders Fund. But, you know, I had, like, emails from in Founders Fund from, like, people that went to Heredicon, people that make a good guess. And I was like, I'm not even gonna export that.
Speaker 1:I'm just gonna, like, leave that and I'll reestablish those connections to people, cold email them, find find their information independently. Just don't take any files. Leave them with the other Standard practice. Yeah. It is standard practice.
Speaker 1:You know, some people can make mistakes. Also, these are just allegations. None of this is confirmed. And this lawsuit will be going on for, like, months, if not years. We can go through some of the other historical examples that are sort of interesting to sort of set the the the table on what might play out here.
Speaker 1:So Apple's filings also spends quite a few words on the fact that OpenAI has poached more than 400 employees from the company in recent years. That's not going to make anyone in Cupertino happy. They hate poaching. There's the famous Steve Jobs, Adobe, back and forth. Tang Tan left Apple in 2024 to co found the AI hardware startup IO with Johnny Ive, which OpenAI acquired in 2025 as part of its consumer AI device effort.
Speaker 1:Tan is now OpenAI's chief hardware officer and he's leading the consumer device effort there. In his lawsuit, Apple says Tan systemically solicited sensitive information from Apple employees who were interviewing for roles at OpenAI. A lot of perspective on this flying around the timeline, but Ben Thompson and Rolf Winkler in The Wall Street Journal both had interesting angles here.
Speaker 2:Wait. They have a Ben Thompson at The Wall Street Journal?
Speaker 1:No. No. No. Ben Thompson, Estrate Hecker Okay. And Wolf I I said that wrong.
Speaker 1:Brandon got it correct in that newsletter. We can read a little bit of what Ralph said in the journal. He says, open Apple's OpenAI suit echoes past attacks. Steve Jobs declared thermonuclear war. If you're trying to fire up your staff and you're going to battle, even if Monday going to battle.
Speaker 1:Even if it's just for, like, will the next device have 12 gigs of RAM or 32? That's boring. Thermonuclear war is exciting. You gotta fire up the the staff. The troops.
Speaker 1:So he declared Steve Jobs declared thermonuclear war on Google, on Google's Android operating system in 2010 calling it a stolen product. Now his successor is going to battle against Apple's most most dangerous rival. In one of his last acts as Apple's chief executive before successor John Turnis takes over, Tim Cook fired a missile at OpenAI. In a lawsuit filed Friday, Apple alleged that senior OpenAI executive who once sat atop Apple's own product design team was involved in a months long campaign to steal Apple trade secrets. OpenAI's replied at this point and said, we have no interest in Apple's trade secrets.
Speaker 1:But Ralph continues. He says, although it isn't clear yet what evidence the company has to back up all of its claims, the suit lands before OpenAI has released a product. And as the technology industry races to build artificial intelligence powered devices that can move society beyond the smartphone era, and there's a whole debate to be had for, you know, where that goes and the value of devices in a world where the agents are just kind of off working and you can maybe just text them or send them a message on Telegram. There's a whole debate over what the is the is the future of devices at more devices and different devices, or is it just no devices? But OpenAI has clearly been working on devices as we know from the IO acquisition.
Speaker 1:The winner could dominate the future just as Apple's iPhone ruled the consumer market for the last twenty years. Quote, I am not afraid of Apple, but I have tremendous gotta flip to a six. Let's see. Tremendous respect for them, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman posted on x Saturday.
Speaker 2:And he said s tier company.
Speaker 1:Yeah. He said, oh, that didn't make it into the paper. Maybe the Wall Street Journal readers aren't familiar with a proper tier list. They think s is down at the bottom when in it is above a. Big tech rivals have long tried to supplant Apple, but so far, Google, Samsung, Meta Platforms, Microsoft, and amazon.com have all failed.
Speaker 1:It is crazy. People think, you know, okay, Android was successful but captured captured like like one one tenth of the actual value because the margins on Android devices are so much lower. But you forget that Jeff Bezos stood on stage and said, we're launching the Amazon Fire Phone and we're gonna win. And then Microsoft had the whole Microsoft Phone and they were really pushing that. And Facebook, Chamath was at Facebook working on the Facebook phone.
Speaker 2:Sort of a rite of passage.
Speaker 1:It is a rite of passage. It it it it's a it's an ultimate long shot as a as an up and coming hyperscaler to every it's a rite of passage to go and and challenge Apple. Now OpenAI is emerging as a new threat. It has it has built powerful AI models and is working to toward an unspecified family of devices, interesting to hear that, to run them, devices that could supplant Apple's. Company observers say this to slow poaching of Apple staffers, for instance.
Speaker 1:So this could just slow the the the poaching that's happening. Friday's lawsuit has echoes of one of Apple's the ones Apple's filed against various Android ecosystem players beginning in 2010, a legal battle royale with hardware makers producing rival phones that played out over eight years. The central allegation then, as now, was a rival stole Apple's innovations. Apple said Samsung slavishly copied the iPhone with smartphones it was already selling by the millions, which Samsung denied. The company settled in 2018 after a long costly battle, eight years.
Speaker 1:In AI years, that's like a million decades. Wow. At the center of each case Apple has pursued was perceived breach of trust trust. So Google's then chief executive, Eric Schmidt, sat on Apple's board as his company developed Android. So there was, like, you're you're on the board of Apple saying, yeah, we should definitely
Speaker 2:Kind of similar to the Krieger, Figma dynamic.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Very, very tricky. I'm going to destroy Android because it's a stolen product, Jobs told biographer Walter Isaacson. Apple alleges in its new suit that, quote, at every level, OpenAI has been stealing Apple's trade secrets. A more junior employee appeared to cross the line by using an Apple employee's login to access Apple servers, but Apple has also accused OpenAI's hardware chief Tang Tan of soliciting trade secrets from its employees in interviews for jobs and encouraging them to bring, quote, actual parts from Apple for show and tell sessions at OpenAI.
Speaker 1:Tan worked at Apple for twenty four years, rising to vice president of product design. But bringing parts to an engineering interview isn't unusual, say people familiar with the tech hiring process. That was shocking to me. It does feel unusual to me. Interviewers want candidates to talk through their work.
Speaker 1:The question is whether the parts were sensitive, something Apple doesn't offer evidence of and is seeking discovery to determine. A spokesperson for OpenAI said, We have no interest in other companies' trade secrets. We remain focused on building innovative technology that empowers everyday people everywhere. Tan and a more senior employee, Chang Liu, didn't respond to requests for comment. At Apple, Tan worked very closely with Johnny Ive, its famous industrial design chief.
Speaker 1:Ive left Apple to build his own design firm, later poaching Tan. OpenAI bought that company, IO Products, in 2025 to spearhead its own device development efforts. Bedfellows can quickly become enemies in tech. OpenAI made the IO acquisition, revealing its intention to wean customers off smartphone screens a year after announcing a partnership with Apple to integrate ChatGPT into some parts of the iPhone. The Wall Street Journal has a content licensing partnership with OpenAI, of course.
Speaker 1:Bigger companies have so far failed to dent Apple's dominance. They talk about Amazon's Fire Phone, Microsoft Windows Phone. Mark Zuckerberg also tried to do an end run around the iPhone with the metaverse that never fully disrupted the iPhone, of course. Elon Musk has also chafed at Apple's control of the digital economy. A unit of SpaceX is suing Apple for disadvantaging its AI app, and the company is now prototyping its own smartphone like AI device.
Speaker 1:Apple has said that its App Store relies on algorithms and expert curation and doesn't suppress rivals. The irony of Apple's case against OpenAI is that Apple itself has so frequently been accused of stealing others' companies' ideas that it has spawned a new verb, Sherlocking, which is a reference to a an app for the Mac that allowed you to hit, I think, command space and get a finder window to search everything across your entire desktop. That that that that eventually became the spotlight feature baked into Apple, but it was not very good for the company that was running Sherlock. And so Apple this is the same, like, you know, the labs will steamroll this or this. These many companies just got put out of business by this company.
Speaker 1:And sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It just sort of depends. Apple recently tried to Sherlock Partifull, but it seems like Particle is doing fine. And so it sort of depends on the actual product. But
Speaker 2:the Flashlight app haven't gotten a single invite from Apple's
Speaker 1:True. True.
Speaker 2:Trinvite
Speaker 1:system. At the same time, when was the last time you paid for a Flashlight app? Probably never. Right? Because all of that stuff's baked in.
Speaker 1:Apple's trying
Speaker 2:to catch up I saw someone actually go pretty viral on Instagram with the world's most expensive flashlight app. Think it was like a 100 it was it was like $5 to turn the light on and then a $129 to turn it off.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. That's great. Genius. I like those Ben
Speaker 2:Thompson read through the filing as as he as he would. He says, You can read Apple's filing here and almost everything you need to know is actually on the first page in the first four paragraphs. Paragraph one is a succinct introduction to the case. This case is about Apple's former employees stealing trade secrets for the benefit of OpenAI. Apple brings this suit to put a stop to it.
Speaker 2:Paragraph two recounts how Apple has spent a lot of time and money building products that delight customers. Paragraph three basically says that everything they do is a trade secret. And paragraph four introduces Chang Liu and spends the next page and a half recounting his crimes. Ben Thompson says, Liu is almost certainly guilty and an idiot to boot. Not mincing words there.
Speaker 2:Apple has a lot of details about Liu's behavior including dozens downloading dozens of proprietary Apple hardware related files and encouraging other Apple employees to do the same because he did it on his Apple issued laptop. And furthermore logged on to Apple servers for weeks after he had already left the company. Ben says Apple security says, as depicted in this case, is shockingly poor. First, the company lost track of the fact that Lou didn't return one of his laptops or disable it remotely. Second, due to what Apple claimed was a bug, Lou continued to have access to the company's internal servers for weeks.
Speaker 2:He talks about how, you know, Tan is is the point person for the 400 people that Apple says that OpenAI has hired away from the smartphone maker. That is no crime, of course. Although, one does get the sense Apple sure thinks it is.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. The funniest moment in here is where he says a couple quick points. A few weeks ago, there was a bit of hubbub about meta capturing keystrokes from employees in order to train AI. What confused me was people surprised that a company had this level of access to company issued hardware in the first place. Moreover, while that access may very well be theoretical for a lot of companies, at Apple, it has always been a well known fact going at least as far back as when I was an intern there, Ben Thompson was an intern there sixteen years ago, that the company could and would go through everything if you ever cross them.
Speaker 1:And so it's it's yeah. Everyone should know this, but somehow it it at least Apple alleges that it was not known or or just a terrible mistake or brazen, you know, brazen mistake. He does he does talk about a little bit of the the the motivations for why you're going to thermonuclear war. He says Yeah. AI era has sucked for Apple.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So he says, Tan is the face of Apple betrayal. OpenAI is the face of AI generally. And it's hard to escape the sense that Apple just really hates AI. And why shouldn't they?
Speaker 2:Go back to 2022. Apple had it all figured out. They had a lock on the premium end of the smartphone market, which they continued to slowly expand, even as they had figured out how to earn services revenue from every iPhone user basically forever. Business was good. AI, has ruined all of that.
Speaker 2:Suddenly, Apple has to make existential decisions about whether or not to compete in the model game. They totally embarrassed themselves with the twenty twenty four new Siri introduction, had their most prominent blogger declare that something is rotten in the state of Cupertino, had to completely overhaul their software and services teams, lost their position as kings of the supply chain and most favored customer of TSMC to the point where they had to enact an emergency mid cycle price rise, and then worst of all, have to actually wrestle with the possibility that AI is such a paradigm shift that it might actually threaten the iPhone. And then on top of all that, they lost they lose 400 of their best employees recruited by the lead hardware engineer for the iPhone in partnership with their most famous executive outside of Steve Jobs, and have to know that all 400 of those employees are getting hit up by their former colleagues looking for a job as well. The AI era has sucked for Apple even if they aren't necessarily doomed and even if they relaunched new Siri ends up working out, their position is still more fragile than it was.
Speaker 2:And everything about life is worse. Given that, how sweet it must feel to suddenly have a smoking gun in the form of a seriously dumb employee blatantly lifting documents and to use it as a cudgel to exact revenge on the company that represents everything that is making your life miserable. The perspective does make one wonder if that phrase run to its core was projection in the end. AI is changing the world and Apple's contribution is to deliver two year old technology differentiated by exclusive date access to data it won't share. It certainly has no interest in delivering on a new AI driven paradigm that endangers its iPhone franchise in any way.
Speaker 2:Any of its employees who wish to do exactly that, meanwhile, are being told loud and clear that Apple doesn't just just think it owns your laptop, but also your mind and knowledge. I think it mostly stinks, but then again, rotten things usually do.
Speaker 1:It's thermonuclear.
Speaker 2:For Tino.
Speaker 1:But it's not the first
Speaker 2:Go sign up for Stratakery. Read the whole article. There's a bunch of context. And we're gonna come back to the story With my german. The germanator.
Speaker 2:Rohan in semaphore says Paramount weighs leaving California over Warner Brothers rift. What's going on here, John?
Speaker 1:So this is on the basis that California is trying to block the Paramount the Paramount acquisition of Warner Brothers Discovery. Rohan says, I'm told that if the states do choose to sue, they would have to assume the damages stemming from that action chiefly. 600,000,000 to 1,000,000,000 1,200,000,000 in ticking fees would potentially be paid out to state state taxpayers. So if if they leave, those those fees would not be paid to the state. Paramount just issued this response to the state AG lawsuit.
Speaker 1:Brian Stelter is breaking it down, saying the complaint distorts settled antitrust law and is based on misrepresentation of competition in the in in the entertainment industry today. So Paramount is weighing whether to shift major operations out of California after attorney general Rob Banta and 11 other state attorneys general, I always get that wrong, filed today to block its $110,000,000,000 acquisition of Warner Brothers Discovery. This story was back and forth. Well, Netflix get it. Paramount wound up with the highest bid, the most cash offer.
Speaker 1:It got approved. Huge windfall for David Zaslav over at Warner Brothers Discovery, but a very controversial acquisition. All the shareholders? Yeah. Everyone did very well.
Speaker 1:But people were very worried because they own two two historic studio lots in Los Angeles. Would they need both of those? Would they convert one to apartment buildings? This was sort of the the the the nightmare case for fans of Hollywood filmmaking that it would become a more agile, lean, globally distributed studio. Would they be making less films?
Speaker 1:Would they change their pattern? Because as they are two separate buyers of intellectual property and scripts that come to Hollywood, they can pay higher prices. There's less competition. Potentially, the the price of the the that the industry becomes more monopolistic and there's less buying activity. So the proposed deal was the and is the largest merger in Hollywood history.
Speaker 1:It would combine two of the five major film distributors and give the resulting company control of roughly 27% of US film distribution and basic cable channels. Of course, anyone who's in favor of this was arguing that, well, people are watching Instagram and YouTube all day long and listening to podcasts and livestreams. You can't look at Hollywood in isolation. It's okay if there's a little bit of consolidation in an industry that's facing incredible pressure from a new disruptive industry. We saw this play out with the Shutterstock Getty Images question where you have immense pressure in the stock image market from an entirely new outsider technology.
Speaker 1:Consolidation makes a lot of sense usually in those scenarios. But if you're just looking at it, if you're just defining the industry as only Hollywood studios, then yes, this is this does represent more consolidation. Friends and advisers to Paramount CEO David Ellison had reportedly been urging him to reconsider the company's California footprint in the event that California sued over the deal. Previously, Paramount had offered to keep both of its historic studio lots in California open and released 30 films annually, was basically just adding the fifteen and fifteen that were made from both studios, I believe, something like that. But executives have privately complained that Bonta refused to negotiate.
Speaker 1:Worth noting that the Justice Department has already cleared the merger while China and other international regulators have raised no comparable objections thus far. So from a antitrust perspective, it looks like the merger can go through, but the state of California is potentially trying to block it now. So Paramount says California's complaint distorts settled antitrust law and is based on misrepresentation of competition in the entertainment industry today. It'd be very interesting to see where they actually go if they do leave California. There's been so much so much movement to Texas and Florida.
Speaker 1:But in terms of filmmaking, Toronto, London, Atlanta, exactly, so maybe Georgia. I don't know. I'm sure every other state is gunning for this because bringing in bringing an industry to town is is almost always a good move. More jobs for your local economy, more more tax dollars going around. There will probably be a competition, but we'll see we'll see where this where this develops and we might have someone from the media analysis industry come on the show later this week to discuss.
Speaker 2:There is a new letter. Mhmm. New letter just dropped. We are hoping for a new billion dollar PDF. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:But we got another letter. More than 200 researchers and economists including Jack Clark, Jeff Dean, Dome Brown, Tyler Cohen, Sholto
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:John Schulman, Eric Schmidt, Dean Ball, Yoshua Bengeo. Yoshua Bengeo. Eric Schmidt. Signed a statement urging governments and institutions to act now to prepare for AI's economic impact. They start the Pretty simple by saying AI may become radically more powerful over the next ten years.
Speaker 1:They don't This isn't like the start. It's just three statements. The entire
Speaker 2:But they're signing
Speaker 1:They're saying we all agree with these three statements.
Speaker 2:They agree that AI could possibly become radically more powerful over the next ten years.
Speaker 1:Which feels very conservative. That's like
Speaker 2:an incredible you're you're not committing to anything at all.
Speaker 1:No. I mean, there are plenty of people that are saying that AI will go away in the next ten years. Like, it's it's useless, you know.
Speaker 2:No one's really saying that.
Speaker 1:And Zidtran's saying that and like a 100,000 people are liking his post when he says that. So, like, there are a 100,000 people out there that are like, it hallucinates. It's dumb. It's it's not useful. Out
Speaker 2:of billions
Speaker 1:I'm just saying gonna
Speaker 2:go away.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying there there are people that don't believe this. But, yes, this does feel like a like a like actually an easier statement to agree with than the short timelines of fast takeoff in two years, recursive self improvement. Anything that's coming out of basically any lab is much more aggressive than this. Elon's timelines have been solving new physics in two years, stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Point one, AI may become radically more powerful over the next ten years. Point two, this could drive an unprecedented transformation of our economy larger than the industrial revolution, but unfolding over a vastly shorter time frame.
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:It could bring risks including large scale job displacement as well as opportunities such as major gains in living standards. And three, economists, policy makers, and technology leaders must act now to understand the economics of transformative AI and to build the incentives, guardrails, and institutions needed to steer AI in a direction that complements humans and benefits society.
Speaker 1:So that last one's not a probability. Yeah. One, it feels like you can sign if you're at 1%. Right? 1% chance that it gets more more radically more powerful over the next ten years.
Speaker 1:1% chance that it drives an unprecedented transformation of our economy. But as long as you agree that economists, policymakers, and technology leaders must act now to understand the economics of transformative AI, you sign this. So so Yeah. Three is really the strongest the strongest the the most strongly worded bullet point.
Speaker 2:Well, it's interesting because the people signing Yeah. This are technology leaders. So they're really saying
Speaker 1:Not not the actual top leaders, interestingly. So if you look at who signed this, you have a ton of people from OpenAI, Anthropic, Stanford, Meter, like every Harvard, like every lab. Bam Arjera,
Speaker 2:I think you said?
Speaker 1:No. No. No. Google, Jeff Dean. Like, you have people from top from top institutions, but not the CEOs, not the investors.
Speaker 1:Like, there's been other there's been other I mean, I guess Reid Hoffman and Jan Tallen and who else is I mean, Eric Schmidt's on here. But notably absent are Sam Altman, Dario Amade. I don't believe Demis is on here. Is he on here?
Speaker 3:Yeah. But you you have Jack Clarke, Sarah Fryer.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So but what's interesting is that it's it's sort of like the proxies. It's the it's like the right hand men and women of the AI leaders that are signing. And so you have to imagine that that Dario, Sam, Elon, Demis, Sundar, Satya, like, got the message. This was received to them and they were like, you guys can solve this, but we you can sign this, but we're not signing it.
Speaker 1:Because this doesn't feel like something that happens behind the scenes where Sarah Fryer doesn't go to Sam or or Shalto doesn't bring this up to Dario. Oh, there's a new letter. I'm thinking of signing it.
Speaker 3:Like
Speaker 1:Yeah. It feels like it's So
Speaker 3:what was the like that that big pause letter Yeah. That Elon did sign at one point.
Speaker 1:A lot of people signed it. All all and and that one, every lab leader actually did sign. And this one isn't even a pause, but somehow didn't rise to the aura level. And maybe that's deliberate because then it gets clipped and turned into headlines where it's like blank lab leader, fill in anyone. It's gonna be a it's gonna be
Speaker 2:Beers at x y z
Speaker 1:Yes. Labs. It's gonna be head of blank lab. If you're the first one to jump, if you're Sam or Dario or Demis or Elon, they just said that it could bring large scale job displacement. So you you're you're gonna have that headline tag next to you as opposed to if it's like someone at a lab who is not the CEO of that lab says it can bring large scale job displays.
Speaker 1:Because right now, it seems like at the very top, a lot of the lab leaders are sort of backing off of the near term job displacement worries.
Speaker 3:Yeah. But I I think this still feels much more like the the AI doc than like AI twenty forty. Right? And that, like Yes. It the the the message I got from the AI doc was like, we all gotta talk about this, you know, let's get everyone in a room and like figure something out.
Speaker 3:We don't know Yeah. At all what it's gonna be. We gotta figure something out. Yeah. Where AI twenty forty is like, okay.
Speaker 3:We have this. This is our our plan a. Yep. We should be doing this specific set of of, you know, policies, tasks, whatever.
Speaker 1:Yes. It's like This is much more like Specifically we
Speaker 3:we all gotta talk rules about
Speaker 1:with China. Like, US and China, like, nuclear level negotiations on how things slow down. It's it's it's it's a global slowdown of large scale AI training runs, essentially. And this is very yeah. This is very, very different.
Speaker 1:So much easier to sign, but AI 2040 didn't have signatories. I mean, it had people that helped out with it in general. And then they did poll them as to, they polled some of the authors to say, which one do you think is most likely to play out? But I I guess by any I guess everyone implicitly in the AI twenty forty, if you contributed to that document, you're sort of alongside advocating for is it plan a? Because it's the fourth one that they offer.
Speaker 1:Think is it plan d?
Speaker 3:I think plan a is is what they
Speaker 1:Plan a. Okay.
Speaker 3:Those are just plans and then I
Speaker 1:think Okay.
Speaker 3:Like, in the order on the website, I think it is the fourth one. But that's Yeah. Like the arbitrary.
Speaker 1:AI twenty forty. I'm trying to load the site, but it's not loading. Anyway, we can come back to that. We must act now. I I like this.
Speaker 1:I like I like the idea of of more economic research, more policy making research to understand these things. It it it's not like it's hard to get wrong because the end result is just more information, more studies, more conversation and proposals. It's not anything specifically. Like, if it was like large scale job job displacement is coming next month. We need to, you know, print money and do economic stimulus broadly like we did during COVID.
Speaker 1:I would be like, I I don't know that that like, what if the job displacement doesn't come up and we just create a bunch of inflation? Like, I don't I don't know if we should do that. But we should be ready for if we hit 10% unemployment, 15% unemployment, that we do have stimulus in the back pocket. And I think we do with where interest rates are and with the with the history of how we've dealt with employment shocks in the past. So I think we are, like, set up pretty well if that happens.
Speaker 1:Doesn't seem like it's happening at this moment.
Speaker 2:But Yeah.
Speaker 1:Tell us about
Speaker 2:the critical the critical view on this is the people building the technology say that we gotta do something about this. Mhmm. Like like, it's kind of a discontinuation of, like, that we gotta do something about this and maybe you just need to do a new letter every single month forever. Maybe. But I
Speaker 1:don't know.
Speaker 2:Speaking of our previous conversation
Speaker 1:Yes.
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Speaker 2:Is a
Speaker 1:Every video is going viral.
Speaker 2:Voice actor. I think she's a
Speaker 1:she's a real she does voice acting for for radio ads, but of course, making fun of the tech industry, I I think.
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Speaker 2:It's part Very talented. The funny is she's saying every voice over script right now, which I would assume that this kind of like audio is like AI is really good at. Yeah. But but I think some of the AI companies are LARPing and they don't know how good the the voice models have gotten, so they haven't
Speaker 1:hire a voice actor to read the most AI laden script of all time?
Speaker 3:Yeah. So so I like, sometimes I listen to the radio on the way it work Yeah. And I hear ads like this and they're always by these, like, big legacy companies.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:So I assume that's why they're not using, like, actual cutting edge technology.
Speaker 1:Bullish for voice over artists, I guess. Reading AI for business ads.
Speaker 2:Last video of the day. Yeah. Did you see this? There's a clip from
Speaker 1:This is SpaceX's new launch site. It looks like Dune. It actually looks like Dune. I'm pretty sure SpaceX accidentally built a transformer. At least that's what it sounds like here.
Speaker 1:This is designed to to hold all the rockets so they can launch them, I think, every hour. The engineering that goes into this, just so thinking so far ahead, like, I think this is designed to launch a Starship every hour. Yep. And it's like
Speaker 2:They said that something like an Olympic swimming pools worth of water that they use to
Speaker 1:Cool everything? Yeah. The This is crazy.
Speaker 5:Thousand gallons per minute. That's approximately in the range of about, like, one entire Olympic swimming pool being drained in the course of a minute.
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