The Why Distance Learning? Podcast explores the transformative power of live virtual learning and its role in shaping the future of education. Hosted by three seasoned distance learning experts, this podcast delivers insights, promising practices, and inspiration for educators, content providers, and education leaders integrating live virtual experiences into teaching and learning. Each episode features interviews with content creators, industry professionals, field experts, and innovative educators who are driving engagement, equity, and innovation through distance learning. By challenging common perceptions and uncovering the realities of live virtual education, Why Distance Learning highlights its true impact and explores how it continues to evolve in an ever-changing educational landscape.
Hosted by Seth Fleischauer of Banyan Global Learning and Allyson Mitchell and Tami Moehring of the Center for Interactive Learning and Collaboration.
Seth Fleischauer (00:01.463)
Hello everyone. And welcome to why distance learning podcast that challenges misconceptions about live virtual education. I'm Seth Fleischauer. And today we're doing something a little different. Instead of me interviewing guests or my co-hosts, I'm the one in the hot seat. Alison and Tammy are interviewing me about the work we do at Banyan global learning and specifically the design and purpose behind global learning live our experiential global learning program that connects students across continents through virtual field trips.
global collaborations, and showcase moments. And now I'm going to hand it off to Tammy for the rest of the intro. Hi, Tammy.
Tami Moehring (00:36.984)
Hello, Seth. We're going to talk about what inspired the creation of the program, how your longstanding partnership with Saiging School helped bring it to life, and what this experiential cycle actually looks like for students and teachers. We'll dig into the impact, how many students you've reached, what transformations you've seen, how empathy and culture competency shows up. We'll dig into the impact, how many students you've reached and what transformations you've seen, how empathy and cultural competence show up during live sessions and what authentic global learning really requires from schools today. We'll also look ahead to where this work is going and because this is why distance learning will share your golden moment and why Seth believes distance learning is essential now more than ever. So let's dive in and recap, remind us Seth and our listeners of Banyan Global Learning in your quickest elevator speech.
Allyson (01:39.419)
You got it. It's okay.
Seth Fleischauer (02:07.605)
I have been working with Banyan global learning for like 20 years. So I've had like 150 different iterations of what I'm about to say, but this is my latest one. Banyan Global Learning is a distance learning company that specializes in the teaching of global competence. And what we mean by that is a combination of live virtual learning, live virtual field trips and international student collaborations, especially with the ability to put English into context. So a lot of the schools that we work with are learning English as an additional language, but we also connect them to schools that have native speakers. So.
You know, the name of this podcast is why distance learning? And I'm realizing we've got, this is a long elevator ride. but the name of this podcast is why distance learning. And we've had to answer that question over and over again. Right. And with our program, we have this English program that we teach, daily. have the live virtual field trips and we have the international student collaborations. The answer to the question, why distance learning is basically always about creating opportunities where there.
would not be opportunities if you didn't have this medium. And for us, that really means those live virtual field trips and the international student collaborations. They have a lot of value for native speakers because you're building global competence, but they also have an additional value for students who are learning English as a foreign language or additional language because they're able to actually put that English into context. That is a huge deal.
They don't get to do that when they're just in their classroom. But if you use this technology, then you are going beyond your classroom. So that is what we do. And I think we're on the 80th floor now of Taipei 101. We just got off. Um, so thank you for all that time on the elevator.
Allyson (04:20.551)
That's exciting because the bigger the building, it's more exciting to see the view. So, yay, exciting to ride up on the elevator with you. Yes, my gosh, absolutely. Or the roof that I used to like go and hang out on when I used to live in New York City. It was the solarium is what it was called when you went up there. But back to our purpose here.
Seth Fleischauer (04:28.393)
Observation deck. Yeah.
Allyson (04:43.699)
So can we talk about the start of everything? Because you're going to be launching something, you're doing a pilot, which is so exciting. We always love everything that's happening at Banyan Global Learning. But Banyan Global Learning is about to do a pilot, a new experience after 20 years, as you said. You've had so many different opportunities to talk, see different iterations. So your new program is Global Learning Live. Could you tell us,
What helped bring this to life? Was it the partnership we talked about before? Was there something else that was ruminating in your mind? Let us know. How did this all start, this new program that you're about to embark on?
Seth Fleischauer (05:22.155)
Yeah, thank you. So most of the work that we do comes out of our first main project, which was in collaboration with Tsai Hsing school in Taipei, Taiwan. And that was the daily distance learning program. kind of hinted at in my first answer, which is combining, live virtual learning on a daily basis for English lessons with live virtual field trips and international student collaborations.
These experiences were so popular amongst the students and families at in Taiwan and at Tsai Xing for a lot of different reasons. from a student perspective, it had a lot to do with like, lending a purpose to what they're learning. Where I think that when you learn English as a subject, you can kind of lose track of why you're even doing it. It feels like it's any other subject.
especially if you live in a country where, you're not necessarily like, like immigrants coming to America, they're learning English. course they see the purpose. They're outside every day using it. But if they're living in a country where they're not using it every day, then that purpose can feel elusive. And when you connect students to the real world and see how English fits into that, especially as a lingua franca to communicate, not just with native speakers, but with anybody, it really drives home that purpose piece.
and for teachers and administrators, think there's, this like sense of responsibility that we feel as educators to not only prepare our students to be successful, but also prepare them to make the world better there. And so you, kind of have, there's like a values piece that comes along with a lot of the decisions that are made, by educators, administrators who are.
Allyson (07:07.57)
Hehe.
Seth Fleischauer (07:17.835)
choosing which programs to put in front of their kids. So of course there's an element of success, and wanting to prepare them for a world where they, the only constant will be change. And, and so giving them some of the tools that they'll need in order to be able to navigate that change. English being one of those big ones for students who, who live in other countries. but there's also this sense of like building cultural empathy, one student at a time.
Is making the world into a more just understanding and tolerant place. And, and so there is a sense of like wanting to, to, to save the world with your work, through the kids that you're empowering to go out there and, and make that impact. and then there's the, parents, right? The parents are also a part of all this. And it's funny because especially in East Asia,
Allyson (08:00.035)
Yes!
Seth Fleischauer (08:13.975)
We don't really think about this as Americans who are nuclear families kind of split up, but in East Asia, or least in Taiwan, lot of parents actually live with their kids when they get old, right? And they help take care of the kids when the adults are off working. And so there's a stronger kind of family unit, and the parents are literally investing in their kids because their kids are going to take care of them when they're older.
and so that success piece is, really critical, right? So, being able to, prepare any given kid to be, to succeed in a world where, the best opportunities are often international, again, a mindset that we don't really have from an American perspective. that's, that's a huge deal. and I think that for native speakers, it really is that middle piece of like global competence is good. we are developing skills that are.
Not only adaptive, but, but we'll push the world in a direction that we want to see it go. and so all of these things, when we, we, we've done some like deep reflections over the years and really understanding why our work exists and what we're, what we're trying to achieve. so naturally when we have this impact, we wanted to see how we could expand upon that and provide opportunities outside of the,
the network of schools that we work with in Asia. And then the big question is like, how do we package that in a way that is like small enough that it's easily inserted into a school schedule, but large enough that we can actually have that impact and it's not just a one-off.
And so that's been the real challenging piece along the way is trying to figure out that packaging and we're still iterating, still learning from pilots that we're running. We've got one pilot we're running this fall that's closed off, but we've got another pilot that we're running in the spring that, we're still receiving applications for. And these are free. We're just, what we're doing is providing like a four week engagement where we come in and teach one period each week.
Seth Fleischauer (10:31.577)
And we're offering a live virtual field trip in addition to an opportunity for students to collaborate with a cohort. And after the live virtual field trip, they're applying some skills or knowledge that they learned during the live virtual field trip to create some kind of artifact. And then they're sharing that artifact with the network, receiving artifacts from the other schools in their cohort, responding to them and having an asynchronous virtual exchange in that way.
what we are hoping we will find is that this is something that is low overhead enough that it fits into a school schedule, but high impact enough that there's a purpose for doing it. so that's what we're running right now. We've got some initial excitement around it and that's really cool to see.
schools on like four continents right now that are signed up for it. And, you know, that diversity is definitely something that's going to strengthen the experience. And we're looking for more. We really want to learn as much as we can about whether or not this fits in what, what, what class period it would fit into for your school, what would make it most valuable. We are in this iteration process. I do believe it's a challenge of just like
packaging, cause it's not only, you know, schools need to pay for stuff, but really, think almost a bigger deal is, giving up the time, to, to do a program like this. It's easy when it's a one-off, but it's a much more involved when it's a, it's a series, but again, you get that deeper impact. So, these are some of the things that we're, thinking about as we launch this thing.
Allyson (12:18.355)
Okay.
Tami Moehring (12:19.732)
love all the details. went really big and give the heart and then you went down to the nitty gritty. I love logistics. So it's kind of following along that same kind of going bridging the two of them. You've connected students in Taipei to New York. Do you know how many students participated in Banyan Global Learning and what kind of transformations have students, what has the transformation of students that you saw that inspired you to do global learning live?
Allyson (12:26.067)
Yes you do!
Tami Moehring (12:49.838)
Give us a little bit, expand the background a little bit.
Seth Fleischauer (12:49.985)
Yeah. Yeah, thanks. I like thinking about like student out, student hours. That's what, that's what I like thinking about the most. And it's something like, I dunno, 300,000 or something like that. Like it's, it's a, it's a lot. actually it's gotta be more than that. Maybe that's student. That's student. Anyway. hold on, let me back up. You know, I have this information. Can I pull it up real quick?
Tami Moehring (12:57.432)
like that.
Allyson (12:58.322)
Yeah!
Allyson (13:14.385)
Yeah. Hi Lucas, we're so appreciative of you.
Seth Fleischauer (13:22.861)
Let's see if I, oh yeah, here it is.
Seth Fleischauer (13:28.543)
Okay. So I like thinking about this in like student years, right? Cause like some of the students that we have have been through our program from like kindergarten all the way through eighth grade. And so like one student in our program for an entire year, is a, a student year and they're, working with us like six periods per week. So it's a lot. we have taught.
Allyson (13:36.039)
Yeah.
Seth Fleischauer (13:57.486)
42,000 student years. that's like an ice age, you know, over the course of the last 18 years. what's really cool about that is that my fifth graders in 2008 are now like 28 years old. And I'm thanks to Facebook, which I used to be more active on. I am still in touch with some of them and I get to talk to them about what
Allyson (14:03.237)
Yeah!
Allyson (14:21.521)
Mm-hmm.
Seth Fleischauer (14:26.689)
the impact of the program was and more than anything, they talk about the confidence to express their own ideas in English, no matter what the circumstances are. And I really, really love that because it's a, it's a huge deficiency of a traditional education, education system for students to be able to like come up with their own original ideas and express those.
traditional education can be a lot about like just memorizing and answer. And that is something that is still very, very popular and widespread in East Asia. So when our students tell us that they have that confidence to express their own ideas, that's when I hear that they are able to like go into any room, whatever the room is, whoever is in that room and actually show up and have a conversation. When we look at this,
particular impact of live virtual field trips and, and international student collaborations, we started thinking about like cultural competency. so one of the things that the students also talk about is this idea that they never really thought that these people and places like really existed, like they were an idea. And then you connect them live via video conferencing and.
Allyson (15:40.083)
Mm.
Seth Fleischauer (15:46.688)
suddenly they're real. And what that in turn allows you to do is to take perspective. And so it's one thing when you're taking the perspective of someone who is very much like you raised in your same culture, in your same class with you. And it's quite another thing when you're taking the perspective of someone who is way outside of your geographic bubble.
And that is kind of the foundation of global competence, being able to, take perspectives of people who are very different than you and, practice the curiosity of trying to understand why and how they might perceive things differently than you and where the common ground is. So being able to do that without leaving the classroom, of course, there are amazing in-person experiences that you can have, but they're expensive. They take a lot of effort.
Uh, being able to do that without leaving the classroom, building it into your, um, your, uh, school program. Uh, that is, that's what we're after, right? Um, it's, it's, uh, it's, it's a way to get this, to do this at scale, not just for kids who can afford a, you know, three weeks in, in Europe over the summer.
Allyson (16:58.931)
Well, I mean, it sounds like you're thinking about all of the different experiences. Also, how exciting that you get to have fifth graders that now get to be full grown adults or working towards full grown, excuse me, working towards full grown adulthood to be able to really show your impact, be able to talk to you about that.
And I wonder, like one of the biggest challenges in education today is creating authentic global learning experiences. And that seems to be what you have been doing at Banyan Global Learning, talking about building empathy and cultural competencies. So I wonder just if you could tell us a little bit more about how do those qualities show up, just like a little bit more about how those qualities show up during live sessions.
But also if you are a teacher that wants to get involved in your programming, what advice or what preparation would they need to get, like what they need to have to start integrating global learning into their curriculum? Because it sounds like you're able to talk to language learning, but there's also a number of interdisciplinary topics that you're able to touch in on in the experiences that you're setting up.
through this module pilot that you're putting on, but also just ingrained within Banyan Global Learning.
Seth Fleischauer (18:27.915)
Yeah. So, the first part is how, how do these things show up? And it really depends on what exactly we're doing. asynchronous student collaborations are one thing. it's awesome when you can have synchronous, student connection, obviously time zone dependent. but for example, we've got an afterschool program in Taipei that lines up with the morning of East coast and America.
And so for the fall pilot, we're going to have like a town hall kind of thing. and you know what kind of like the episode we did with shared studios, what you find a lot of the time. You think that you're going to like sort of expose these like interesting cultural differences between people, but really what happens more than anything is they discover how the same they are, and how a lot of culture right now is global culture. And, and that.
Allyson (18:55.142)
Yay!
Seth Fleischauer (19:23.917)
kind of leads me into the question of how a teacher can bring this into their classroom. First of all, sign up for our spring pilot, please DM me on LinkedIn or yeah, go into the show notes or to our website. That's one way it's free. But another way is to
Allyson (19:36.115)
Yes, links in show notes.
Seth Fleischauer (19:48.194)
think about how to use live video and video curation in your class in a very personal way. We think about cultural competence as something that needs to be across clear cultural lines, but there are cultural lines that exist even within a class. And so of course, you're not going to have maybe as stark a difference when you are
venturing outside your geographic bubble. And that is where we come in to really provide those, those, far away places and people. But you can also consider how to capture things about your own life or your own experience that might, require the students to take a different perspective, than they would if they were not exposed to that. so I talk a lot about just,
exposing students to your life as a way to build trust and relationship, but also as a way to practice that cultural competence piece in a way that's much more accessible because you are from the same geographic bubble. You do share the same physical space a lot. So I think that that's, that's the advice that I would give.
Allyson (21:08.851)
I love it. It makes me think of the book Same Same But Different, which is like one of my favorite children's books. When I worked in an archaeological and anthropological museum, a big part of it was cultural competencies and the idea that like we are human. So there are going to be opportunities to connect, but it's great to hear how you're bringing this medium in to literally say you don't need to theorize. You don't need to read the book.
It's right here. It's during this town hall. It's multiple perspectives. So it's exciting to hear about all the future plans and all the things you've already been doing.
Tami Moehring (21:45.218)
Yes. Speaking of which, the future. Seth, if you were to do your elevator pitch to the next generation, because you've already had a generation through your doors in 20 years, what does Manian global learning look like? mean, how would you describe what's going to change? What are you hoping to accomplish? What's that all entail?
Seth Fleischauer (21:45.271)
I would thank you.
Allyson (22:06.237)
What are you doing 20 years from now?
Seth Fleischauer (22:06.583)
So, yeah. So these international collaborations, we've been lining them up for a long time now for the schools that we work with. It's been mostly partnerships. And I guess one of the pain points that I didn't talk about at the top here is that it's really difficult to be in a collaborative partnership and have the collaborative partner drop out. And it's something that happens.
Tami Moehring (22:08.549)
Hahaha
Allyson (22:33.053)
Yeah.
Seth Fleischauer (22:34.169)
and it's, it's the, would say it's the largest frustration for people who do this regularly. And so one answer to that is to have a larger network and to build cohorts instead of partnerships. we think of our cohorts as like a number of students, where we're putting like a hundred students in a cohort. And, that allows you to have like some buffer for.
If, if students, if some classes drop out of the, the collaboration, which is, is somewhat inevitable, it happens, you know, life gets in the way. and if you put that out on like a network scale, then what you've got is the ability to be very thoughtful about your, cohort creation.
where you're able to satisfy some of the curiosities and needs that any given school community might have in terms of who they would like to collaborate with. And when I think about where we're going, I think about that broad network. There are a lot of collaboration opportunities that are out there. Many of them are focused on building partnerships and making it so that
Uh, uh, like coil, the collaborative online learning, um, that is for, uh, teachers coming together and building their own collaboration. That's a, that's a, that's great. It's an awesome experience, but it's a, it's a tough lift. Um, there are other, uh, uh, collaborative platforms that build cohorts, but they don't necessarily.
adapt what they have for English language learners. And so as much as you'd like to create cohorts that have broad, diverse partnerships within the cohort, a lot of English language learners are kind of aced out of that because there are, they don't exist, exist supports in there for the students to, access the content, but also then be able to share.
Seth Fleischauer (24:48.043)
their ideas in a way that's going to be received and reflected upon by their native speaking partners. So that's part of the service that, that we're providing. And then there's also, not many collaborative platforms that also build global competencies. So like, like, directly. So the thing, the things that we are doing in our live virtual field trips, where we're exposing them to all these different places across the world.
Allyson (25:06.931)
You
Seth Fleischauer (25:17.517)
And the activities that, they do to create their artifacts. Those are practicing global competence skills that are also part of this entire ecosystem and experience. so when I think about the future, what I see is a, a collaboration network that goes across the world that has, enough volume of participation that.
people can be really intentional about who they are collaborating with. And the each of the students that are participating are building global competence in a way that's not only going to make them more successful when they walk into that room and need to share their original ideas, but also make the world a better place for, for practicing empathy, perspective, taking all those critical skills of the future. so one
Allyson (26:14.428)
Hmm?
Seth Fleischauer (26:16.225)
But additional part of that was it probably be some type of, of bespoke platform that we would create. right now we're leveraging tools that, schools already use and that's great. it's, it's easier and easier to build a platform, but it's very hard to do one that is FERPA compliant and, like protect student data. So that that's the big hurdle there. but, that would be a part of that, ecosystem.
So can imagine a platform where someone shows up. We'd have like super, inexpensive experiences that, a teacher could opt into. We'd have, more school option, a district option, and all of this is happening across cultures, across languages, across the world. that, that is, that's the vision. That's what we're building.
Allyson (27:06.407)
Hmm.
Allyson (27:09.979)
Yes, my goodness, build it and they will come. So it's exciting. You already have such a great group of individuals connected to you. So it's great. And also, Tammy and I have both experienced a great team that's connected to you as well, which, you know, once you have a team that's in that type of synchronization that cares as much as what you're talking about with all of the students and the global learning opportunities.
It's just exciting to think about all that will happen and your elevator speech that will be in 20 years from now. But we do have to ask because like any guest on the Wide Distance Learning podcast, we have two questions. So Tammy, if it's okay, I'll take the first one. If you want to take the next one.
Tami Moehring (27:53.582)
Happy to do that, but did we kind of do that at the beginning a little bit? Sorry? Lucas?
Allyson (27:57.726)
I don't know if we officially called out the golden moment. I think we jumped right in.
Tami Moehring (28:05.418)
Yes, guess so. Sorry. Sorry.
Allyson (28:06.801)
Okay. Sorry, Lucas, we appreciate you so much again. Sorry. It's the evening. So, Seth, all of this is so exciting. There are so many people that you've worked with. There's so many future plans that you have. There are so many people that support the work that you're doing on your team. So we wonder specifically for the pilot.
that you are putting on Global Learning Live. And again, the fall and spring, you can find all the links. You'll be able to sign up for the spring edition. But we're wondering, what is the golden moment that inspired you to say, this is it? This is why we need to take this moment to build out the experience we want to put in front of others as the next building block in Banyan Global Learning.
Seth Fleischauer (28:57.931)
Yeah. I mean, I teased out the, the why a little bit before of like why we do this for all these different stakeholders in an education. you know, when I'm thinking about a golden moment, I'm thinking about all those times that a class goes, Whoa. Right. And, that feeling of like, yeah, I just, I just connected these kids to something that they were never going to see if they didn't do this.
Allyson (29:13.788)
Yes!
Seth Fleischauer (29:28.185)
And I think about, some of the, one of the things, the videos that we've collected for this global learning live fall pilot is, the Renaissance fair.
Allyson (29:39.525)
Yes, my gosh, one of my favorite experiences to do in life is the Renaissance Faire. I speak it fluently, I love it.
Seth Fleischauer (29:46.828)
Yeah. And just, you know, like the, like kids across the world, most, most kids across the world have never seen a giant Turkey leg being eaten by someone in a pointy hat. You know, like it's just, it's, it's a little weird. but it's, it's a cure. It's a curious cultural phenomenon. That is something that you can't experience unless you've experienced it. Right. and, I think about, was doing a, a trip the other day with some students, on the bridges of Portland, Oregon.
Allyson (30:00.707)
Amazing.
Seth Fleischauer (30:17.351)
And, I do this trip where I like, I hop on a bike and I go in the course of a 45 minute period to like five different bridges along the Willamette river. And we were lucky enough for the steel bridge, which is a vertical lift bridge. There was a boat coming underneath the bridge as I was standing there on it. and I had to like run off the middle section to like go, hold on kids, the alarms, malaria blaring, you know,
Allyson (30:40.637)
You
Yeah!
Seth Fleischauer (30:46.117)
and you know, so that those, like those types of live experiences, like you never know what's going to happen when it's live. Right. So, those are just some of the examples over the 20 years. but those, those, whoa, moments of like awe and wonder. I, I live for those.
Allyson (31:01.009)
Yeah!
Allyson (31:07.195)
And just FYI, you can schedule your own Bridges of Portland live virtual field trip if you'd like to outside of this experience with Batmian Global Learning. We can also include that link for that program scheduling if you'd like. hopefully you will, yes, I was gonna say, but also hopefully you don't have to run off the bridge in the middle, but like that would, I would have been so excited. Is he gonna make it? What's happening? There's alarms.
Seth Fleischauer (31:21.728)
at cilc.org.
Seth Fleischauer (31:34.461)
And I'm just going to anticipate the next question is why distance learning and.
Tami Moehring (31:38.526)
You got it because I think you've said it a couple of times in the past episodes, but Seth in this moment, why distance learning?
Allyson (31:39.621)
Yeah!
Seth Fleischauer (31:45.101)
Seth Fleischauer (31:48.781)
Access and opportunity. That's it. Simple. It provides opportunities that you wouldn't otherwise have. That's why it's beautiful.
Allyson (31:56.753)
Mmm, so beautiful.
Seth Fleischauer (32:00.682)
Well, thank you for interviewing me today, you guys.
Allyson (32:04.583)
Thank you for giving us your time and your insights.
Seth Fleischauer (32:07.669)
Of course, for our listeners, if you appreciated this episode, please do leave a rating, leave us a review, tell a friend. Thank you as always to our editor, Lucas Salazar. If you want to look up any of the things that we mentioned here, such as the Global Learning Live Spring pilot, please sign up that link and links to CALC where you can see some of our programs.
Allyson (32:23.015)
Thank you.
Seth Fleischauer (32:35.661)
those will be available in the show notes. Otherwise we always end with something along the lines of why distance learning. And the answer is cause it's awesome. We'll see you next time. Thanks.
Allyson (32:45.146)
Yes! Bye!