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A podcast that holds horror to standards horror never agreed to. Hosts Jeremy Whitley, Ben Kahn, Emily Martin and guests watch, read, listen to, and check out movies, tv shows, comics, books, art and anything else from the horror genre and discuss it through a progressive lens. We'll talk feminism in horror, LGBTQ+ issues and representation in horror, racial and social justice in horror, disability and mental health/illness in horror, and the work of female and POC directors, writers, and creators in horror.
We're the podcast horror never agreed to take part in.
Jeremy: Emily is not going to join it.
So I think it's just just the five of us.
Ben: Oh no.
Only five people on the podcast.
Adam: so intimate?
I don't know if I'm ready
Brent: This feels like a
normal podcast to me, so.
Jeremy: Let me close my pinterest
And my script for Hamlet, which
is up here for some reason.
Ben: Yes, get ready.
I might have some controversial
takes on this episode, on this movie.
Adam: ha ha.
Ben: I might be, I might be defending
some unpopular positions on this one,
Adam: Okay.
Jeremy: Oh boy.
Ben: but in the spirit of Hamlet, I will,
I will bear those slings and arrows.
Jeremy: Good evening and welcome to
Progressively Horrified, the podcast
where we hold horror to progressive
standards it never agreed to.
Tonight, we're talking about the,
I don't even know how to phrase
this, it's like the second relaunch,
only sort of connected to the
remake of the Evil Dead franchise.
But boy is it wild.
It's called, uh, Evil Dead Rise.
I am your host Jeremy Whitling.
With me tonight, I have a panel
of cinephiles and cenobites.
First, they're here to challenge
the sexy werewolf, sexy vampire,
binary, my co host, Ben Kahn.
Ben, how are you tonight?
Ben: Oh boy, the Metal Gear Solid V
of movies, in that I really like it
for what it is, but don't like it as
part of the series it's a part of.
But we'll get into that in
my whole Evil Ted fandom
Jeremy: This could also be called the
Phantom Pain, though, I'm just saying.
Ben: feelings.
If it had just been called that, I
would have been like, oh, what a great
movie, can't wait to dive into this, but
instead I'm bringing like, fan feelings.
I'm just fuckin most noxious of, blech.
Jeremy: Emily is in Portland, uh,
this week at Rose City Comic Con, so
we have three guests with us tonight.
First, a returning guest and friend of
the podcast, comics writer Lan Pitts.
Lan, welcome back!
Lan: What's up?
Jeremy: Lan is flexing.
All right,
Lan: to be here.
Jeremy: flexing to be here.
And, uh, two brand new guests
we're so excited to have.
Uh, both Ben and I have been on
their podcast, so it seemed like
the best time to bring them on ours.
From the Home of Superior
podcast, we have Adam and Brent.
Guys, great to see you.
Adam: Hello, thank you for having us.
Brent: It's great to be here.
Ben: Oh man, th thank you so much
you guys for coming on tonight, it
is so much fun to have you here.
Adam: I'm spooked already, I'm
ready to really dive into my, my
Ben: It's a spooky movie!
Brent: uh, was hoping I could
get bonus points because I wore
my little cleaver earrings.
Ben: Yes.
yes you do.
You we we've instituted a point
system now in this podcast.
You're the first person to ever
earn points, we never had to do
this, but you're now winning,
Adam: Brent is one of the most,
Brent: to me.
Adam: yeah, Brent is one of the most
competitive people looking for nonsense
games I've ever met, so I'm very
excited to see us wrap these up over the
Brent: If I lose any points
during this entire podcast,
I'm going to be devastated.
Ben: I mean, I get it, because I
think my personal Necronomicon is
the rule book to any board game.
Every game night has begun with, No, I
promise, once you understand, you'll have
a fun time, and every time that has been a
Brent: And how much, how
many times do you go?
I'll just take my blood.
Just take my blood.
I don't, I don't care what the rules are.
Just have it.
Ben: would literally rather
be bitten by Dracula.
Brent: Yeah.
Ben: I'm like, really?
I don't have to know what the
fuck a settler or a Catan is?
That sounds colonialist?
I'm not interested.
Dracula, just go.
It'll be quicker.
Jeremy: Uh, yeah, so, uh, this movie is...
It's directed by Lee Cronin, who,
uh, recently directed A Hole in the
Ground, which I think is probably
the best known of his other films
another scary movie with kids.
He also wrote this one.
It is, as been suggested, not entirely an
Evil Dead movie, but it takes sort of like
the concept of the book and the, you know,
scary demon possession and throws it on.
A very different scenario,
which I know to some people is
going to be not their thing.
To me, it was like a welcome change of
pace, especially after I have very mixed
feelings about the Evil Dead remake.
Ben: it's very, I feel like the
premise is almost, what if they played
the Deadites completely straight?
And for maximum horror, which, fair,
but I don't really come to Evil
Dead to see horror played straight.
Lan: Right.
Adam: Well, and this is like an
offshoot of the, of the remake, so
that was also like very intensely
real, not realistic, but you know.
evil, actual evil dead, very, also
the first one, like, I feel like
it was only two and three that ever
really had major comedic elements to
Ben: 3, and then Ash vs.
Evil Dead, which I love, I love Ash vs.
Evil Dead, so like, So again, like, I
don't think that, oh, it needs to be Bruce
Campbell and Ash, like, I don't, like, But
there is, like, a certain horror comedy
tone that, like, I, that is what I love.
So, again, like, Me and
Jeremy, we do this every week.
I'm watching horror movies that take
themselves completely seriously, all of
the time, and that, and those Evil Dead
movies just stand out as this, like, oasis
of wonderful, gory silliness in this self
serious desert of a cinematic landscape
Jeremy: I will say that that kind of
makes sense, because that is part of
what bothered me about the Evil Dead
remake, is that you know, Evil Dead 2
obviously doesn't take itself seriously.
Evil Dead 1 is even, to an extent, fun.
But like, the fact that...
It feels like the identity crisis of,
of Evil Dead movies because they're
like, but what if they were at a cabin
in the woods because one of them was
addicted to drugs and needed to get
out there to get off of that shit
instead of they were just out there
to like be teenage kids and have sex.
Ben: I'll tell you what it feels like.
It feels like somebody wrote a screenplay
for a horror movie about this mom
possessed who attacks her kids or
sister and the studio went, We like
the screenplay, we'll greenlight it
if you can make it like part of this
franchise that we have because IP.
Brent: As someone whose entry point to the
Evil Dead franchise was Army of Darkness,
this feels like a really grounded movie.
This feels so sensible.
I'm like, oh, they live in a
house and not the Middle Ages.
That seems great.
Adam: There's still some, I mean, I
guess to me, the entire movie, the
entire court construct of the movie is
very, it can't, I think it's very gory
and it's played very seriously, but
like, I know Brent, you and I watched
it together and to me, it's, there's
so many moments that are just like
laugh out loud or still squirmy funny.
Like it's such a, it's such
Ben: there's a
Adam: silly nightmare experience.
I mean, a little, a child chokes
on his own brother's eyeball.
Like I don't
Ben: No, I had that moment.
That's my favorite part
of the whole movie.
No, she bites out the dude's
eyeball, and then spits it out,
and another person chokes on it.
That is Evil Dead perfection.
That
Adam: Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Ben: what I That's what
I come to Evil Dead for.
Jeremy: What works about this one is
it has the same impulse, I think, as in
Evil Dead 2, that it's like any other
movie, you would write some of these
scenes and be like, that's too far.
I'm going to scale it back a bit.
And this movie is not
interested in scaling it back.
It is at 11 from like 15 minutes in.
Brent: yeah.
Make a Rube Goldberg out of
eating eyeballs with this woman.
Oh, no, no, no.
Throw them all together.
Make them a giant leg arm monster.
It's fine.
Who cares?
There are no rules.
Evil Dead.
Jeremy: yeah, and I feel like...
It takes that in ways that normally I
would be bothered by, but like, there's
sort of this unspoken horror movie rule
of like, you don't fuck with the kids, the
kids get out okay, and if they don't...
It's, you know, it's a big, tragic
thing, and like, the kids not only mostly
die in this movie, spoilers and also
Ben: I,
Jeremy: but like, they, they get to get in
on the crazy, being possessed, murdering
people, doing horrible things side
Ben: and that's great.
I love that.
I, I love that this movie went that far.
That it was willing to kill kids, have
them be fucked up horror monsters.
Would have been great if I was
emotionally invested in those kids though.
Adam: Well, you didn't like a DJ and
a nondescript middle aged child and
a baby that learns about mommies.
Ben: there's Protester, and there's...
there's fucking, there's DJ,
there's Protester, and there's Newt,
Brent: Yeah.
Adam: Right?
Yes.
Ben: To the point where you can
pinpoint the moment in the movie
where you can just splice in Ripley
going, Get away from her, you bitch!
Jeremy: now, you are forgetting
my favorite child, Stephanie.
Adam: Yeah.
Brent: Oh yeah, look, this kid
is definitely the murderer.
This is like the origin
story for their murder spree.
Like, that kid made a staff
called Stabitha or whatever.
Just ridiculous.
Jeremy: absolutely.
let's get into it, Our cast is, uh,
we have Lily Sullivan, who is Aunt
Beth, our unlikely protagonist.
Uh, Alyssa Sutherland, who plays
the mother, Ellie, who will be
possessed, and deserves every
award she can possibly get for this
Ben: Oh yeah, incredible.
MVP.
Jeremy: Gabrielle Eccles,
who plays Bridget, the, you
know, protester daughter.
Morgan Davies, who plays
the deeply unlikable DJ son.
And, and Nell Fisher, who plays
Cassie, the future murder spree child.
Yeah, so, it is also
great in that we get...
We start with a whole different bit of
story, we've got three characters that are
sort of camping out at this lodge in the
woods, very sort of Evil Dead style Teresa
is sitting out at the, At the docks,
trying to enjoy herself while casual
reading Wuthering Heights as you do when
you're a horrible college kid, I guess.
Ben: I do love the opening shot of that
classic Sam Raimi POV camera, and then the
reveal that it is a literal drone shot.
Jeremy: yeah.
Yeah, the drone is being controlled
by Caleb, who is, we are told,
the asshole boyfriend of Jessica,
who is the connecting piece
between these two characters.
Who clearly hate each other from
moment one, but it won't matter because
they're not long for this world anyway.
I
Adam: want to know what
happened to their friends.
I like love that the entire
time she's like, where are your
friends that you said they were
Jeremy: mean, clearly they've
met Caleb and they were like, no,
Adam: not coming
Jeremy: Jessica is sick
for some, for some reason.
We don't really get details about
this until Tabitha goes to check on
her, or Theresa goes to check on her.
she is clearly writhing and
talking to herself in the bed.
And, you know, if you've seen an Evil Dead
movie, you know what's coming with her.
And she gives a dramatic reading
of Wuthering Heights over Therese's
shoulder as Therese is reading it, as
I was reading it, I was like, oh man,
the English major in me is coming out.
It's like, I know what this is.
I hate that I know what this is.
Brent: So it's a thing, it's a thing in
the Evil Dead franchises for demons to
love to show off this, like, party trick.
Like, I know what you're looking at.
Ooh, aren't I so cool?
It's an Ace of Spades, uh.
Oh, you're reading Chaucer right now.
I remember that.
Ben: what I always liked, what I
Jeremy: I knew him.
Ben: what I realized there was more of
was the shit talking from the Deadites.
Like, there's some of it, but I wish
there was, like, more, like, you
know, that level at the end where,
spoilers, she's just, like, ahead
and she's still taunting the sister.
That's kind of the level I
want, I wish the Deadites were
at, like, the whole movie.
Adam: That I would definitely agree
with, yeah, because they're in the
older versions like they're fucking
nuts and just like constantly screaming,
yelling, and just being annoying.
Yeah,
Ben: because that's a Deadite, so it's,
like, it's not just that they're...
To me, that's what always makes Deadites
both, like, funny, and personality
driven, and kind of terrifying in
their own way, is that they're not just
zombies, or strong zombies, they're
zombies capable of emotional torture,
Brent: Yeah.
They're,
Ben: intentional emotional torture.
Brent: they're decaying
real housewives who are not
pretending that they're decaying.
Adam: hmm,
Ben: Yeah,
Jeremy: Yeah,
Ben: uh, and not that there was
none of it, there definitely
was, I just, I just wish more.
Jeremy: Yeah, I feel like
it's fun when we do get it.
I mean, I think Jessica gives it
to us a lot in this first section.
Uh, she grabs Theresa by the
ponytail and literally scalps her.
Which is,
Ben: aw, that was...
That was beautiful.
Oh, that I love the opening scene.
The whole opening scene
is fucking flawless.
Adam: the title card alone is just
gorgeous, horrifying way that I'm
just like, wow, what a fucking
cool way to introduce this movie.
Jeremy: Jessica as the demon opting
to hit herself in the face with
the drone I think was extremely,
that's extremely Evil Bed to me.
Like, she grabs it and looks
at it and she's like...
Yeah, let's do it.
Just hits herself in the face with
the spinning blades of the drone
and falls into the water and then
straight up decapitates Caleb
as a, uh, a follow up to that.
Ben: amazing.
I,
Jeremy: Yeah, which is followed
by one day earlier a sentence
which you will inevitably forget
in this movie at some point.
And we're introduced to Beth, uh, as she
takes a pregnancy test in the bathroom
at a rock show which is very specific.
I feel like you know
immediately a lot about Beth.
Adam: Someone definitely did their
homework on how to establish a character
within, like, two seconds of a movie,
so I appreciate the setup, but I was
like, man, is this really shoehorned
in about who this character is.
Ben: I have mixed feelings about Beth.
Not that there's anything wrong
with Beth as she's depicted, but
just, and again, this is me kind
of once again judging the movie for
what it isn't, unfairly may I add.
I'm a ba I'm a bad judge,
like I am biased, like this
Adam: I was just about to say, I was
like, it feels like there's a lot of
Ben: this is, it is, this
is not a fair review.
Do not put this shit on Rotten Tomatoes.
I guess just like, what I had imagined
in my head was, this is where like, it
was all on the kids, where like, they
were the main characters, with the mom.
And then Cuz to me, when I heard the
premise, I'm like, ooh, that's very
compelling, especially at this time, like,
hey, I remember a time when, like, your
mother, like, is your whole world, that's,
like, your whole safety net, like, the, if
she's gone, like, your entire conception
of the world is gone, and for your mother
to not only be dead, but, like, this
demonic force attacking you, and you're
just a child, that's some, like, it
chapter one take into, like, next level.
And I kinda just felt like, we've, I
kinda just felt like Beth, not that
there was anything wrong with Beth,
but just that she was just kind of
a ne like, The tension was a little
bit reduced just by having her there.
Just that like, there is an adult
around, who is nominally capable it
just kept it from being that, quite
that, And again, while, sure, she's an
adult, there's nothing she can fucking
do against this fucking demonic force,
But just that, It just made it seem
a little more even than these kids
just, these, like, these fucking little
kids against their own mother, who
Adam: How, how else were they
going to teach you, though, that
no matter what type of woman you
are, you can always be a mother?
It's like, I feel like the
messaging, there's a lot of heavy
handedness going on, but I'm like,
Ben: Oh god, that was the
theme of this movie, wasn't it?
Fuck, I didn't even put
those pieces together.
Ugh.
Adam: hoping at some point she would
save Cassie at the end and just
be like, I'm getting an abortion.
Just be like, cool.
That's your choice.
Amazing for
Jeremy: bringing children into
Adam: Right, right, exactly.
Jeremy: Yeah, I feel like that, yeah,
that's a little, the takeaway of this
movie is a little and I think part of
that to me, my biggest gripe with Beth
as a character, if I have one, is that
Ash, In the first two movies is like,
loser, parenthesis, positive, and Beth
is like, loser, parenthesis, negative.
Like, you know, she is like,
she is like, her sister
Ben: know her own sister is divorced.
Jeremy: as a, she doesn't know her sister
is divorced, and that he has left their
kids behind with her, does not like she
is actually good at her job, which is
good, but also she is presumably sleeping
with somebody in the band, which is
bad and you know, it's, it's, Pregnant
Ben: it could be another
technician she's sleeping with.
Adam: I, I'll
Ben: could be a different co
worker she's sleeping with.
Adam: I'd give some dings on Ellie
though, the sister, because I mean,
when they were like, you were divorced?
You didn't, you should have called me.
And she's like, I called you twice.
And I was like, that seems
like a pretty small amount
Brent: Twice.
You called twice.
You left an an an answer
on my answering machine.
Are you kidding me?
You expect me to check that?
Text me.
Come
Jeremy: Put it in a text, Ellie.
Put it in a
Ben: I am, I am with you on that one.
Yep, I am with, uh, Team Beth
Brent: Hey, can I defend Beth here?
because she's taking a lot of flack.
She's getting a lot of judgment from
people and about her ability to parent.
and I don't think that's fair.
She hasn't even been a mother yet.
I mean, this is like
Ben: I don't think, I don't think
Beth does anything wrong in the movie.
I'm just judging her against
this theoretical movie that
doesn't exist anywhere but in my
Adam: That I
Ben: Again, not a fair assessment!
Jeremy: I feel like there's nothing
wrong with Beth except for sort of the
circumstances in which we meet Beth.
I, I, I would almost rather Beth
just be a stoner and a loser in
the sort of traditional sense in
which women can also be losers.
They don't have to be, they don't
have to have an unwanted pregnancy
from, you know, somebody that
they work with for it to be like.
Oh, then I have to go see my sister and
she's going to like, talk shit about me
because she thinks I'm a groupie and now
I am pregnant from somebody that I work
with, which seems like maybe that's giving
the opposite impression of what I've been
trying to instill in her about this job.
Ben: women can absolutely be losers.
They got, like, four seasons
out of that for Broad City.
Adam: Yeah.
Brent: Can we talk about how Ellie
is just in the absolutely ridiculous
position of being a tattoo artist?
trying to judge Beth for
Ben: I really enjoyed that.
That,
Brent: high roading here?
What are you talking
Ben: that was, I, I'm really glad
you brought that up, because that was
really funny to me, that that was like,
Brent: your customers are my band members.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Ben: and it does appear that
she's like, working out of her
own, like, condemned apartment.
Adam: So, those fuckin units have the
greatest floor plans on the planet.
And yet, like, it's the
most dilapidated build.
Like, nothing, I, yeah,
nothing makes sense.
Like, glass house, for sure.
From Ellie.
Ben: No, my partner is a tattoo artist.
Like, it's a wonderful profession, but
the idea that you, like, you were raising
three kids on your tattoo artist's salary
while fucking high roading your fucking,
like, technical, like, very professional,
career oriented sister is fucking wild.
Jeremy: Yeah, it's, the whole thing is
difficult to separate, cause it's like,
all of this is shitty, but also all of
this is, all of them are fine, except
for that they're shitty about each
other, which doesn't make any sense.
Ben: She could have been, like,
I wonder if there were any drafts
of the script where she was, like,
an accountant, a lawyer, like...
I know, like, a nurse, like,
Jeremy: congresswoman, you know,
Adam: Well, and now?
Ben: again, like, it's just very
weird, like, you're right, it's just
so weird how they do have her doing
this very alternative career path
while judging so harshly someone
also on an alternative career path.
Jeremy: she only does traditional
Christian tattoos, that's, you
Brent: Yeah.
Jeremy: she's...
She's just, she's just tattooing
crosses, that's all she's doing.
Adam: Like,
Jeremy: Virgin Marys, that's it.
Adam: guess if you really wanted to, like,
dive into it, you could put the, you could
put Ellie as like, because she's a mother
and also a single mother now and juggling
her job with kids, like, she still looks
on Beth as a sort of like, well, you don't
have, like, you're not living your full
life or you're not doing the fullest of,
I guess, like, whatever she would think.
Yeah.
I don't know how else you would think to
judge this other person's lifestyle trust.
So like, oh, she's traveling,
she's doing all this stuff.
She needs a dilapidated home with
three children that she can't afford.
That's the way to go.
Jeremy: That's, that's the same
resentment that my parents had
and passed on to me, you know?
Brent: If I was making the charitable
interpretation of it, I think these
demons are conservative Christian demons.
And that what Ellie's character
shows is that even people you love
might not always be on your side.
Like the demons possessing her show how
these demons hate single mothers and they
don't want women to control their bodies.
but that Ellie was already in that
position somewhat to be like judgmental
of other women and their choices.
Lan: No.
Ben: Ah!
Uh, uh.
Adam: It sounded great, but
Jeremy: Sir, Sir Elaine, did
you want to expound upon that?
Lan: Yeah, I mean, this,
Ben: worried we were I was worried when we
didn't have Emily here, but rest assured.
Sorry, Len.
Lan: no, it's fine.
Much like, I would say Evil Dead 2 Evil
Dead Rise, And the Evil Dead Remake.
Evil Dead Rise is not
subtle in its themes.
Any sort of thematic element that it
wants to bring across is not subtle.
It's about as subtle as a
multi armed, lit monster going
into a shredder at some point.
Ben: There really is a point near
the end of the movie where it just
becomes like a reference free for all.
Where it's just like, evil dead easter
eggs for days, here's a shining,
here's the part where I watched Aliens,
hey, y'all remember Human Centipede?
Lan: right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, it's, yeah, it's basically.
I'm going to wear my inspirations of what
I love on my sleeve, and then I'm going
to shove my face into, your face, into
my arm, so you get a better look at it.
Oh, I can see it from here.
No, no, no, you've got
to get in there, son.
You've got to see those pores.
So, that's, that's what I really feel.
Any sort of, like, the whole theme
of motherhood, like it starts, I
mean, the movie, within a movie,
outside of that, like that, that,
the camping intro, you know.
When we get to the credits and everything,
what a great movie that could have been.
But the whole element of motherhood
and are you a good mother, have I,
will I be a good mother, could I be a
good mother, et cetera, like all that.
Know, that, that's as, it's not.
So, I, I, I don't know if it's, I'm
trying to think of the word here because
it's not a very conservative mindset.
I mean, I like how you touched on the
fact about like, oh, these could be
because they are judgmental demons.
I'm like, oh, that almost, I feel like
that hits it because that demon feeds
off her insecurities as a mother, and
then reflects it back into her sister
who's, you know, kind of a fuck up.
But somehow.
isn't really by comparison.
I don't know.
I don't know this tattoo
economy is doing really well.
So yeah, I don't know.
But I, I, I don't, I don't think
any of the themes are subtle.
Ben: know, my partner just texted
me to describe Tattooing Ribs today
as a breathing canvas, and that's
the most Cronenberg as fuck phrase
Lan: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's, that's definitely, um, if
you've ever seen Kronos, yeah if you've
ever seen Kronos, it's really good.
That, that kind of gives the idea
of that to a breathing campus.
Very, yeah.
So yeah, I don't, I don't know.
I, I, I don't think it wears I loved it.
I did actually like this movie.
But I don't think it wears its themes
well, and any sort of idea that it has,
it's not its own, if that makes sense.
Ben: I mean, that's the thing.
It's like, it really does feel like,
I really, again, like, as a movie,
as it's something beyond my hang ups
about the Evil Dead and what I want
from, like, Tone Wise in that series,
I do think this is a good horror
movie that does a lot really well.
Like, it succeeds in a lot of what it's
doing, but it also absolutely feels
like, It is the I maybe have never
seen all of these pieces put together,
but I've seen all of these pieces
in other movies before, and I liked
them better in those movies, I think.
Adam: Yeah, I've, I've,
Lan: sense.
Adam: I've found it a lot as like an
entertaining, like, seven out of ten, or
eight out of ten, where it's like, you're
not gonna overthink it, you're not gonna
run to your friends and be like, you have
to see it, but it's a great way to spend
a Saturday, or like, you know, grab some
popcorn, chill
Ben: it Look, when it The blood starts
flowing, it's great, like, when the
chainsaws start revving, people and like,
you know, little girls start getting
set on fire, Fucking stab staffs, like,
once we finally, like, once we get
someone coated head to toe in blood,
it's glorious, I'm just not sure I want
to wait 68 minutes for it to happen
Adam: see that.
Mm hmm, mm
Ben: Dead movie.
Jeremy: I think there was like,
there's a, there's a problem for me.
I saw this movie first in the
theaters and then I just recently
watched it again for this.
There's a problem for me early on that
like was resolved by continuing to watch
the movie of like the first half of this
movie just having too much breathing room.
It, it, it goes slow.
It takes a lot of time to like drill
in these themes and by the time like
shit gets real and I will, you know,
I will say it when we hit it, the
moment that like, I just like sat
forward in my chair in the theater and
I was like, okay, let's fucking go.
Like, we're on it now.
Lan: is the, that's definitely,
it's not a glacial pace because
of how the opening is, and you're
like, oh, I've seen this movie,
Adam: mm
Lan: where will it go next?
I, I loved again how it's claustrophobic,
like it still keeps it, it keeps it
very minimal space, like a cabin,
but you still have like the woods and
then the woods, I guess the closest
analog when you have like a parking
garage where like everything kind of
becomes exponentially more visceral,
Adam: mm
Lan: uh, but you still have
that minimal space where the
demons can do maximum damage.
Ben: Well, I think it, I think they
did a good job where it's like,
when the protagonists are at their
most helpless is when they are...
In this very enclosed space, you know,
this one hallway with, like, a deaf
elevator and no stairs, or this, you
know, cramped apartment, and then
once we do get to the more open you
know, parking garage space, then
it becomes a little more Aliens vs.
Alien, and it's, uh, now more like
a monster feature, and we got,
like, shotguns and chainsaws galore.
Lan: yeah, yeah.
Obviously, again, there are certain
rules in Evil Dead movies, and
this abides by them pretty well.
I feel, I feel an Evil Dead
movie breaks a lot of the rules.
Like, you don't, like, everyone
doesn't have to be a survivor.
The people who you think are
survivors or will live out, you
know, final person scenario.
No, it doesn't matter.
I, I, I think if you've ever seen the
movie Cube, that kind of takes this, a, a,
a similar role to, to that, where, Oh, XYZ
has to live because of XYZ, you know, they
have to live because of these reasons, and
you know, story flow, like no, actually it
doesn't, Evil Dead can just do whatever it
wants, and it does repeatedly, and that's
fine, that's what we've come to expect.
Jeremy: Yeah, this,
Lan: but what I,
Jeremy: on a, like a real nightmare
logic from the stairs just collapsing
when there's an earthquake to
like the elevator being, uh, sort
of, uh, is sometimes it's deadly.
Sometimes it's not, who knows what's
going to happen with the elevator to
like the, the possession spreading
in a way that like is unpredictable.
Adam: You, the fact that the building
itself was built on top of a 1923
bank is already, like, we're turning,
we're gonna just, everything is crazy
enough to just fuck you over in this,
you know, 50 story or a 10 story
building or whatever it might be.
Lan: right, I mean, It doesn't really
matter the location, but because they,
they didn't go like all throughout like
the different rooms or anything like that.
So I like, again, how they kept it
minimal, but I feel, what I, another
positive note before we dissected or,
or vivisected into, like, the misses.
The hits, when they were going,
Adam: Mm.
Mm
Lan: god damn,
Ben: Oh, yeah, there's
some great fights, like...
Fuckin like, Danny vs.
Bridget is great, like, that whole fight.
Lan: yeah, that whole fight, that
whole fight was good, that whole just,
again, it's hard, you know, to fight
your family, and again, going back
to what I just said, Abledead kind
of breaks that rule, it's like, oh,
well, you can't kill them, why not?
They will die.
They will die.
It's not a problem for us.
So, I think kind of really
hammering in that fact.
Cause, there were just too many kids.
Ben: yeah, my worry,
Jeremy: there weren't enough other
characters to die either, like, there's
not enough cannon fodder in this movie.
Adam: The Peephole Massacre?
Ben: I was definitely worried, though,
there was gonna be a point where it was
like, Oh, we found the third vinyl, and
that has a way of undoing the possession
while leaving them alive, and I'm like,
that would be, I'm like, that would be...
I get, well that would be kind of breaking
the rules of Evil Dead, cause normally
it's just like, Ash did it, Ash fended
it off by virtue of being Ash, but other
than that, it's like, once you're dead
eyed ed, there's no coming back from
Lan: no.
Brent: like, Danny's
like, Oh, you like that?
Uh, you like that demon album?
Wait till you hear this.
Lan: Right, now we're going to
play songs off our new album.
So, yeah,
Brent: bops.
No skips.
I swear.
Lan: heh.
Jeremy: Yeah,
Ben: I mean, there's, no, I mean, again,
like, Well, I do like, like I said, I
appreciate the horror comedy, that is
generally what I want, but as much of
a cinematic icon Ash Williams is, I do
think other characters could still fill
that, like, great memorable protagonist
role without having to actually be, like,
literally, we're recasting Ash Williams.
Jeremy: just like we talked about
with Sydney and Scream, like, I
think for the, if the series is
going to continue, they have to have
somebody who's not Ash leading it up.
Yeah, I mean, we, just to sort
of, like, get some of the setup
stuff from this first act out, is
Ben: Oh, yes, I'm sorry,
we're still in the fucking
Jeremy: no, no, uh, I mean, they, they
find, like, there's an earthquake,
and they find, basically, like, an
old vault with a bunch of, like,
church shit, a bunch of Christian
memorabilia, iconography, various
stuff in there, and they find a
series of old records, and wouldn't
you know it, a book covered in skin.
Danny tries
Brent: saying, you're saying
these are not conservative demons.
A Christian, capitalist, demons
with a book made of human flesh?
Are you kidding me?
It's an accounting book.
Jeremy: this book is also, uh,
it's also familiar with Harry
Potter because it's got teeth now.
Um, Danny accidentally, cuts himself on
the teeth and the blood gets absorbed and
suddenly it will open and there's a bunch
of cool, uh, heavy metal art in there.
Um.
Danny decides to go ahead and play the
recording on his giant sound system,
and like, oh no, it can't be stopped
suddenly, and we get this Raimi zoom of
the, you know, possession coming into
the house, and then, getting his mom
as she's coming out of the elevator,
now she's stuck in the elevator, and...
Thing rips out her earrings and binds
her up, and like, this is a, this is I
think the first like, horror scene of
the movie proper, is, is mom sort of
getting, manipulated by this invisible
force in the elevator which is, is also
maybe the most, I think, ramey horror
section of this as well, because he
does love doing, you know, fun, uh,
Adam: Bondage?
Jeremy: Yeah, fun bondage
practical effects.
Brent: is there, is there a part of the
evil dead franchise that explains why
they need bodies in the first place?
Like an elevator works perfectly well
for torturing and killing people.
Ben: No, I mean, the cabin
is clearly possessed.
I mean, normally, it's just for,
like, tort emotional torture,
Jeremy: Well, I mean, it's
because they're, these demons
are catty bitches, like,
Adam: was I gonna say?
Brent: right.
You're right.
It's for the lulz.
Ben: Oh my god,
Jeremy: do emotional damage to the
person, they can't just murder them.
Ben: that, like, it fuckin possessed
Ash's girlfriend just to fuckin
emotionally torture and also do a
random, like, song and dance number?
Just for the lols?
Adam: Elevators can't
read for Phil, Brent.
That's, so, you've gotta
possess something with a nose.
Brent: I'm just
Jeremy: don't have children.
Brent: It's great to see
Ben: was possessed.
Brent: it's great to see the elevator
from The Shining getting a work still.
Lan: Heh
Jeremy: so yeah, the elevator's toast,
the stairs are gone mom comes, back.
And there's something very wrong with her.
She, she pleads with Beth
not to let it, let it take my
babies and then promptly dies.
Religious boy from next door
wants to come pray over the body.
This is not going to
work out for him either.
Beth is crying over when suddenly a
message from Ellie starts playing on
her phone, which was a nice That was a
nice creepy bit for me cuz like we all
knew she was coming back at that point
Adam: hmm.
Jeremy: and the message says she's
burning inside and then Ellie sits up
and has a horrible fever and they throw
her in a bathtub full of ice and she
this bit where she comes out of the tub
and says Mommy's with the maggots now is
Brent: Okay, dog whistle.
That's a dog whistle.
Oh, she's with the maggots now?
We fucking know where she is.
She's with us queens.
Ben: Oh, I thought you
were saying like a mad guy.
I'm like, Oh, like, where
was she on January 6?
I thought you
Brent: Oh yeah.
Ben: you, I
Brent: Oh no, no.
Ben: this like conservative
Adam: maggots.
Brent: no, yeah, I meant those, those
maggots over there, you know, the ones
who are always, you know, swishing about.
She's with the maggots now.
Like, we got it, conservative demon.
Jeremy: yeah, that line delivery is
gonna haunt my dreams forever, though.
The way
Lan: It's so good.
Jeremy: she says that is
Ben: It's great.
Adam: got great upper arm strength too.
She's like at the top of the tub, just
hanging out, looking around and she's very
Brent: do, you do rock climbing.
I mean, you get that power.
I mean, the fact you had no
Lan: do the tattoos and everything, yeah,
Adam: Yeah, that's right.
Her hands, she can crush
boulders with those hands.
Jeremy: She's on her Ninja
Warrior shit, just, you know.
Yeah.
Lan: the, the, while we're
quickly talking about that line
delivery, which is such an, it's an
automatic, like, iconic line now.
Like, I mean, it's only, this
movie just came out this year,
so it feels exponentially longer.
It's such a great line, but I love
how most of this cast is Australian,
and they pulled off really solid
Adam: would not have guessed that.
Ben: Oh, yeah.
I mean, yeah, I, I mean, I didn't even
realize any of them weren't American.
So yeah, good.
Absolutely.
Yeah, great job
Jeremy: That was, I
Ben: especially the kids.
Jeremy: I think the point that I
figured that out was when I was like,
Why don't I know any of these actors?
And like, went and looked people
up, and I was like, Oh, okay.
That makes sense.
Adam: Alyssa Sutherland as Ellie looks
like she's been in a bunch of stuff,
but I think there's just a lot of
other actresses that may look like her.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Yeah, so they try to
fight off Possessed Ellie.
It doesn't go well.
She stabs Bridget in the face with a
tattoo needle ripping open her cheek.
That's a fun one.
It'll come back.
Ben: the eye when the when the needle
is like millimeters away from the eye.
Okay.
Oh, I, I had to look away.
That gave me the, the
jeebies and the heebies.
Jeremy: She then chases
Beth into the hall.
Beth gets an assist from the
neighbors and peaces the fuck out.
She is just gonna let them die.
I mean, which, like, honestly,
if it was my kid's aunt, like,
that's what I would expect.
Like, let the
Adam: you want,
Jeremy: die.
You gotta, you're supposed to,
you're there to help the kids.
Brent: Can I ask on a scale of 1 to 10,
if you, how mad would you be If your
neighbor's son got you killed by playing
shitty music, like, I'd be furious.
Are you kidding me?
Cause that fucking kid wanted to
listen to a shitty album on vinyl.
Adam: There, there isn't enough argument,
argument going on in the movie, but
also just even talking about the movie
about how stupid the fucking DJ song is.
Ben: Oh, that, that kid.
Adam: You're just like,
Brent: He has some
expensive ass equipment.
Like, you're in destitution, kid.
Sell it.
Adam: ha ha ha.
Um,
Jeremy: those speakers do look like
they fell off the back of a truck
But they're like then they're nice
big speakers Yeah, I don't know
Ben: sometimes tattoos get
paid for in cash, and sometimes
they get paid for in...
Brent: Fair, fair.
Ben: speaker equipment you
don't ask questions about.
Brent: Of course, things
the IRS can't come after.
Jeremy: mean as we mentioned
nice Christian boy gets his eye
bitten out and it's then spit
into his His brother's throat to
Ben: Oh, glorious.
Fucking glorious.
Best part of the movie.
Adam: That was also a good example
of like, progressive kid death.
In the sense that like, especially
when they have the clip where
they're like, knocking on the door
to like, hang out with Bridget.
And they're just like, no, no thanks.
And then you can see him, like,
he's about to knock again.
And then he walks away and you're like,
wow, that person really likes Bridget.
Like what a storyline.
Where will this like
cheesy romance go in it?
Nowhere.
It's nowhere.
He will be dead in
Ben: that was, though, just like the, the
super fucked up Looney Tunes that I...
love this franchise for.
Jeremy: I do also love this chunk
of the movie where like all of the
like Horror with the Possessed Mom
is taking place through the, like,
Adam: People.
Jeremy: of the thing, you just sort of
see her coming back and forth, murdering
people, the, you know, the old neighbor
with the shotgun shows up and shoots
her, and then, you know, Scooby Doo's
back the other way as she comes after him
Adam: It's well done.
The sequences are really well done.
That's, it's, it is amazing that the
like action set piece essentially, like
when it really gets into evil, like it,
it serves evil dead when it comes to
the actual kills and the interactions.
A hundred percent.
Jeremy: yeah, and I mean, this next,
this next bit is, I think, where
I, like, sat forward watching the
movie and I was like, all right, like
I'm, I'm into what it's doing now.
Because like, while mom is wreaking
havoc in the hallway, everybody's
got their own shit going on.
Like, Bridget's bit here, where she's
like trying to cauterize her wound with
the like, with the fire from the stove.
And then like, shit starts coming
out of her mouth, and like, she's
spitting out gooey bugs, and things are
progressively getting worse and worse
for her, and there's like, nobody around
for her to get help from, is, is like,
that's genuinely terrifying stuff.
Meanwhile, like, we've got, you know,
the Aunt Beth, and they're finally
listening to the third record, so they
can find out that, oops, there's nothing
they can do about any of this shit.
Ben: Oops, all fucked.
Lan: Yeah.
Jeremy: Oops, All Fox, yeah.
And then this bit with the mom, like,
singing Hushabye to Cassie from outside
the door, like, so creepy, and it's
Brent: This is the one part
where I thought, why isn't
there, like, a corporate sponsor?
Like, Schlage locks.
Like, keep your family safe with Schlage.
That's not your mother, it's Schlage.
That is a powerful fucking door lock.
Jeremy: Yeah, it's not
letting this demon in.
She can destroy everything else, rip
people's heads off and shit, but like,
she's not getting through this door.
Ben: I do like this subversion of
the trope where now it's the creepy
singing done to the little girl.
Brent: Yeah,
Ben: I mean, god, this movie...
I know we talked about
motherhood, and again, this is
me judging the movie unfairly.
Cause you're right, so much of the themes
of the movie is motherhood, and instead
of really exploring that and getting
into the conversation with the movie,
my attitude is kind of like, Damn, if
I had a fucking dollar for every horror
movie about motherhood I've seen, holy
Brent: the daughter apparently went to
the golden retriever school of trusting
people, like, bitch, stop, fucking stop.
Lan: accredited at a school run by dogs.
I love this.
Adam: I do have, is it lore that
like the deadites basically,
whatever they touch, they can track?
Cause like, I found it really interesting
that the power drill is what caused
Bridget to be like, Affected, right?
Because that's really the only
wound she received from the mother.
Ben: Yeah, there's a thing, you
know, where, like, Ash gets,
like, his hand wounded, and then,
like, his hand becomes evil.
Adam: into Or I know
he has to chop it off.
I just wasn't sure if it was I
thought it was usually caused
by scrapes, bites, whatever,
Brent: Well, she, she did
drill her own face with the
drill and then drilled it into
Adam: of course, yes, the blood
Brent: Duh, obviously.
Yeah.
Jeremy: I mean, at the same time,
we do also, like, all of the deaths
are telegraphed in the pages of
the book that we see early on.
Like, we see her with the, you know,
the, the girl, girl's face with
the ink creature coming out of it.
like, this scene where Beth finds her,
like, on the counter eating glass.
And,
Ben: Oh, that was so gnarly.
Jeremy: she says...
Ben: poking through her
throat on the way down, ah!
Oh, that was some good
that was good horror.
Jeremy: was the moment where I was like
I was I was fucked with this like I
remember in the theater being like Ah
And boy, I would make that that same
sound in motion again a minute later.
first she she says that like She'd
like looks at Beth and says I gotta
kill the creepy crawlies in my tummy
and I was like, oh my god this movie
has so many like line deliveries
like that that just just kill and
Ben: Uh, that one would give me chills.
Jeremy: grater to the
ankle and And that shit is
Ben: Oh!
Oh!
Again, when this mo this movie can be
very creative with the violins, which I
appreciate, and that cheese grater was...
Brent: As someone who loves to cook,
it feels like they listed every fear
someone could have in the kitchen.
Oh, what if someone just takes
a box grater to your leg?
What if you accidentally ate glass?
What if you had a teenager
unsupervised in your kitchen with
the stove just on fire, full flame?
Ben: Well, to be fair,
that was heroic fire.
Brent: Okay, excuse me.
Ben: That heroic, that heroic, that
fire, well, it didn't save lives, but,
Brent: It kinda did later.
Ben: yeah.
It,
Adam: I, yeah, I think whatever you
say about the movie overall, I think,
I'm not, I don't like body horror, it's
actually one of my least favorite type
of like, over horror stuff, but like,
it is really well done in this movie,
and you, like, you were leaning forward,
Jeremy, and once the shit started
hitting the fan, I was like, constantly
covering my eyes, because I can't
stand to see fucking glass come out of
someone's neck while they're eating it.
Jeremy: Like, her eating glass was
like, already, like, bothering me,
but the, like, shards poking out of
her throat, it's just, like, watching
it, I was like, that is something
I haven't seen in a horror movie.
Like, that, that and then the box
grater, those are the two things that I
was like, I have not seen that before.
And that is fucking horrifying.
Ben: Those were new, uh,
horrifying, violent thrills of movie
Jeremy: Great.
Something new to be afraid of.
Ben: Again, this movie, yeah,
this, this movie does do a lot
well, like, for playing horror
straight, like, It's very creepy,
and hopeless, and atmospheric, and...
It makes you feel like these people are
absolutely fucked and have no way out.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Yeah, so Beth decides that she's going
to figure this shit out by listening to a
record with noise canceling headphones on.
like, just be able to hear the shit
coming through your doors, at least.
Um,
Adam: keep it down.
I'm trying to listen to my stories.
It's basically the extent of...
Brent: Kids, the damnation's on right now.
Keep it down, keep it down.
Jeremy: heh heh.
Heh heh heh heh.
Gotta listen to the pastor.
Lan: Yeah.
Jeremy: yeah, it's, uh, So Ellie hears
the cats in the vents and gets an
idea of how to deal with all of this.
Bridget comes back and uh, knives Danny to
the counter and pukes blood all over him.
Danny flamethrows her, but
that is too little, too late.
Ellie comes for Beth.
Uh, oh I, I, we did forget, Possessed
Bridget goes after Cassie and gets
stabbed in the skull by Staphany, the uh,
The spear with a baby doll head on it.
Just
Adam: best, best character in the movie.
Jeremy: She has a hundred
percent success rate.
Stephanie's doing great.
Yeah, Ellie comes for Beth
while she listens to the record.
Which is telling her currently that
there is absolutely no way to win.
The, like, dismembered...
The priest dismembered all of his
other possessed guys and they,
uh, just kept coming at him.
Just their fucking arms and legs and shit.
And we do get the, uh, I'll
swallow your soul here, Millie.
Adam: What I was gonna say with
the cat, this is like a good
example of also a reverse trope.
Yes, because like we were talking about
Alien and it's like normally the pets
somehow help and instead this cat fucked
everybody in that apartment over...
And it also just, literally,
just showed up out of nowhere.
It's like, oh, there's a cat there.
Ben: I'm just glad this cat,
we didn't have to say anything
bad happened to that cat.
Because that cat came on screen,
I'm like, I can handle kid
death, I can handle kitten death.
Jeremy: yeah, I'm assuming since
Ellie didn't have anybody to kill
it in front of at that point, she
was just like, Ah, this is no fun.
Brent: The, the idea that so Beth is
listening to this third recording, and
for some reason, the guy making the
third recording didn't destroy recordings
one and two first, it's infuriating.
Like, I get that, I get
Adam: you can't stop
Brent: Dead, yeah, the Book of
the Dead might not be destroyable,
but certainly a vinyl record is.
Jeremy: At least relabel them, you
know, just like label three is two, and
Adam: this one
Brent: no one would listen to.
Adam: It.
Jeremy: yeah
Ben: Label it church stuff and no
one will ever fucking listen to it.
Brent: Yeah, now that's
what I call Christian hymns.
It's all your favorite
songs sung by children.
But from church, yeah.
Ben: you could've labeled this Christian
Ska, given it to a record store, and
it would've just circulated from store
to store, never being listened to once
Brent: be so fuckin safe.
We would be so fuckin safe.
Jeremy: kids bop.
Yeah, we also get a great delivery from
Ellie here, because Beth tries to...
I don't know, like, Darth Vader, that
shit, she's like, you're still in
there, and the demon's like, Ellie
tells her, right, Ellie waits for hell,
Ellie waits in hell for you and your
unborn bastard baby, which like, really
just driving it home at that point.
Lan: Just really good delivery.
Gets to the point, it doesn't try
to, it doesn't try to overcomplicate,
like, Deadlights have a certain
way, like a certain vernacular,
Jeremy: Yeah,
Lan: and it can either go from like,
1990s surfer dude Shakespearean
peasant, and nothing in between.
Jeremy: absolutely.
Lan: So I, I appreciate at
least kept in tone there.
Adam: I will, I will tag on a little
bit to Brent's earlier analysis in the
sense that like, talking about unborn
bastard babies, talking about how, I
mean, this is Christian conservatives.
Brent: She says, she says, oh, two souls?
Like, bitch, she just
found out she's pregnant.
What, what, it's six weeks?
Is six weeks too late for you?
Come on.
Jesus Christ.
Jeremy: when that bit about two souls
was delivered, I was like, that's a
little, that's a little right wing
there, just like, oh yeah, this,
this, you know, zygote that's like
three cells at this point, like,
yeah, that, that has a soul, sure.
Ben: do think this gets our coveted, like,
main characters are women, passes the
Bechtel test, still somehow not feminist.
Adam: Yes!
Well, cause I, I definitely even like when
they're like trying to tear it out of her.
I'm like, wait, so now the
demons are like, now they're,
now they're pro abortion.
Like, I'm just like, the, when you
like, obviously really try to read
into stuff that isn't there, like
I agree with you on it, it's like,
they're like, no, we just made a movie
about womanhood and mothership and.
All that sort of stuff, but it's like
if you really, you're exactly right,
Ben, it's like when you analyze, you're
like, wait, you could really take a lot
of bad things away from what they're
Ben: And you know what?
I'm honestly not, given the way this
movie just wears Influence on it's
sleeve and just takes from other movies,
like, I'm honestly not sure if they
truly were trying to Like, like, portray
a conservative message, or if it's
literally, they're just like, Well, all
these other horror movies with women
protagonists are about motherhood, so
ours should be about motherhood, and then
they just kind of stumbled into this.
Lan: I don't know if it was stumbling.
I don't think it was.
I definitely do think, as Ben said
otherwise, like the whole evolution of
the script and how it kind of came about.
Again, definitely.
It's sort of like the first G.
I.
Joe movie where It was supposed to
be something else, and then Hasbro
took the script, and like, what if
this is something else entirely?
Because, again, no one will care
about this, but the first G.
I.
Joe movie, Rise of Cobra, was
originally called Accelerator, about
super soldiers who get super suits
that make them super fast and strong.
So, if you remember that,
they get Accelerator suits,
Adam: yeah,
Lan: Nothing in G.
I Joe, ever.
Ever, fucking.
Like,
Ben: I feel like,
Lan: 6 suits?
Ben: I feel like Accelerator also would
have been a bad movie, but it probably
would have been a lot more dumb fun.
Lan: Right.
I mean, I had followed G.
I.
D.
O.
Rise of the Cobra, but
that's neither here or
Ben: Joseph, Joseph Gordon
Levitt was still playing Cobra
Commander in both versions.
Adam: right.
Lan: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
What a world, what a world
that would have been.
So, I, I feel like this definitely had
the right notes and elements to where,
the right ingredients, where somebody
was like, you know what this movie needs.
An uncredited Bruce Campbell appearance
that just ties it into Evil Dead.
And they're like, wow, really?
And they're like, yep.
Bye.
This is what we're doing.
Adam: If, if this wasn't an Evil
Dead movie, what would you have?
What would you call it?
It would be like a, a good title for...
Lan: can't say mother because
that's taken, you can't say
mama because that's taken, you
Ben: Home Alone, also taken.
Lan: home alone, yeah, yeah,
Brent: Yeah, it was
originally a PSA title.
Don't leave stuff around the house.
It becomes a weapon.
Lan: right, right,
Adam: Don't Wake Mommy
could be a good one.
Lan: Yeah cookin in hell's kitchen, that's
always good yeah, I don't know, I don't
know rent control, so, that's definitely
a thing, uh, I'm sure Jeremy will get to
the notes about the actual structure of
the history of the screenplay eventually,
but that's, it definitely plays off,
like, something like that later on, like
there's that whole middle where it's
got nothing to do with anything, so,
And then, after that, you get the Evil
Dead references, you get the chainsaw,
you get the Bruce Campbell cameo, you
get all these other things, I don't
know if people knew this, but he was the
priest warning on the record about it.
Yeah which, there was a popular
theory that it's actually a time
traveled, time displaced ash who's
Ben: That makes sense.
Lan: who's trying to say, like,
No, I can't tell you why, but, but,
Ben: Then, by the time you get,
by the time you get to Ash vs.
Evil Dead, that's just the kind
of thing that happens to Ash
Williams on, like, a Tuesday.
Lan: Right, yeah, that's, that's just...
Ben: That checks out.
Lan: Yeah,
Ben: Now that's in the
unfilmed season four of Ash vs.
Evil Dead.
Lan: right, right.
So yeah, I, I feel like there's a
good chunk of this movie that's not
connected to anything, and it may also
be the best, best parts of the movie.
Ben: Yeah.
Lan: yeah, that's, again, like,
talking about it now, like, I, I
rewatched it for tonight, uh, and
I didn't see it, I didn't see it in
theaters I saw it when it came to Mac.
And just checked it out over the
summer, it was like, I kind of
wish I had seen that in theaters.
It definitely would have been a,
uh, hoot and or holler situation.
So,
Ben: would have loved, yeah,
especially God, when she comes out
of the bathtub and she's just, like,
crawling up the walls and stuff.
Oh, that's just, oh, great.
Brent: And she screams parkour.
Yeah, it was great.
Jeremy: bitches!
Yeah,
Lan: yeah.
Just kick that Rapunzel bitch in the face.
Like, all Samara from the Rings style.
So, yeah,
Ben: Oh, just great.
Again,
Jeremy: it was, it was great in theaters.
Yeah, and I, I think, like, when we get
to this, like, last bit here, where,
like, they get in the elevator, and
then the elevator floods with blood,
and they, they were like, what if...
The Shining just didn't do enough
with The Elevator Full of Blood.
They're like, what if The Elevator
Full of Blood had the people in it and
then like, went down several stories
and emptied out into the parking deck?
I do appreciate that she like, loses the
child in The Flood of Blood for a moment.
She's like, she's still, she's still
there, no, she's there, she's there, good.
Baited.
Yeah, and we get like, the, the three...
Now possessed family members the, the
children clawing their mother open to
climb back into her to form a, uh, a
horrible monster in three parts that
then follows them down to the parking
deck where they get to have a final bas
ba ba yeah, boss battle, where finally
we have, uh, boomsticks and chainsaws.
Because,
Lan: Right, yeah.
Jeremy: before, the old neighbor is
actually, like, a tree service guy
and has a whole, like, tree disposal
truck down there, as well as chainsaws,
and This creature does fucking throw
a chainsaw at her at one point, still
running, and I was like, holy shit!
Lan: These, these last 15 minutes
is just fucknuts insane, and like,
again, obviously you have rules, you
have chainsaw, you have ultimate beast
monster sort of situation, but maaaaan.
When they made, like,
that Rat King, just, yeah.
Jeremy: for this on here just say, this
scene is so fucking depraved, like,
Brent: So I love, I love John Carpenter
style, mutilated, awful monster.
I thought the first time we see it
full formed coming from that kind of
misty, it's a very foggy parking lot.
And once it comes
Jeremy: LA parking lots.
Adam: vaporizing, so it's
filling into the air.
Brent: but did it drive
any of you guys crazy?
I, I, it makes me insane.
Whenever two characters are insanely
close to each other and one of them is
a hulking monstrosity that is somehow
able to sneak around extraordinarily
quietly, it drives me crazy.
Lan: Yeah, you know, that's just,
that's just, that's just demon walking.
Brent: got eight legs.
It's got eight legs
Lan: that's a D& D ability where you
can just sneak around, you scamper,
Adam: Do you even walk him?
Lan: creep.
Yeah
Jeremy: Yeah, I think it
Lan: I mean,
Jeremy: the Deadites as like, you know,
their, their power set includes dancing
while not having a head and shit like
Lan: yeah, yeah, yeah.
The, the Dead Knight rules
are their earner rules.
Ben: they're on if Bugs Bunny
rules, powers were used for evil and
everybody else regular fleshy bodies,
Adam: Oh my gosh.
Jeremy: yeah, it's
Lan: no, that,
Jeremy: they have actually, like, Spider
Ham's abilities, like, cause Spider Ham's,
like, his actual ability, part of it is
that, like, the crazier things get, the
worse things get, the more, like, cartoony
he is able to be, um, so, like, that's,
that's very much how the Deadites, rules
work is just like, the more over the top
it is, the more it's like, yeah, it's a,
it's a beast made of three people who have
clawed out the insides of one of them.
And like, yeah, of course it could sneak.
Why not?
Lan: Uh, I'm gonna be
honest, that kind of rules.
I don't know, I, I, I lived
in Florida for a few years.
Brent: And you'd see those everywhere.
Jeremy: like that's all you need to say.
Lan: did.
That's just, that's just
a flea market visit.
But, I mean, you wouldn't know giant
dinosaurs are creeping around because
of, like, weight distribution.
And, like, there's an actual science
to alligators and crocodiles.
Is there a science to
this sin against nature?
Probably not, but no, I, I don't know if
it took me out of it, but it definitely
Jeremy: too bad we don't have
Bronwyn on here to tell us as the
science checks out here, you know?
Ben: yeah,
Lan: Let's look at the mass and
the weight and the, how does
this actually not make any noise?
Adam: This is now scientifically
horrified instead of progressively.
Brent: Yeah.
Lan: Yeah, I, I think it's, I think it's
interesting how, also how you Brett,
you said you didn't like body horror?
Brent: I do like body horror.
Adam: I do not.
Lan: Oh, okay.
All right.
See, that was my confusion.
Um, cause you're saying,
I love John Carpenter.
And I was
Brent: No, no, no.
I'm not a coward like Adam is.
Adam: I, well, no, uh, yeah.
Lan: horror.
Adam: Monster bodies I'm good for.
It's always, like, human
body, like, torture porn.
Mostly on the torture porn side.
But, like, just, yeah, someone's
body becoming debilitated is...
Unless it's cartoonish and like the old
evil dead ways and otherwise, like some
of the stuff in this was like, uh, it's
too new fear unlocked, essentially,
like we were saying, and it's like.
A little
Lan: I think this was, I think
this was pretty cartoonish.
I think this was total recall level old
school monster movie kind of cartoonish
Brent: I don't know.
I feel like I'm going to have the
same feeling about box graders
now that I have about wood logs
while driving on a highway.
Like, there's a fear that's
just going to linger there even
more so than it did before.
Adam: I guess I think
Jeremy: Destination 2.
Adam: right, well, like to your point,
Brent, a lot of the things that happened
in this movie are things that I've
been afraid of since I was a child.
So like, even seeing a box grader
when I was a kid, I was like,
Beck's gonna fuck your body up
Brent: and you're great and the greatest
fear Adam had was being a mother.
Lan: right?
Yeah it made me think of when
you were talking about the
kitchen, like your biggest fears.
I thought of Jonathan Freaks.
Have you ever felt a box?
Have you ever felt a
grater against your skin?
Have you ever eaten glass?
Brent: Yeah.
Lan: Have you ever just like, Like,
Jonathan Frakes, why are you, I
don't know, it crossed my mind about
thinking that, but yeah, it's such
a good, that was a good scene, too.
But no, like, these last 15 minutes, we,
we, we get, you know, from an aesthetic
level, the stuff that we really associate
a visual cue of what we think of with Evil
Dead, and I think, without it, I think
it'd be a completely different movie.
But I don't know if it
would be for the better.
Jeremy: Yeah, her, her wielding a
chainsaw and saying, come get some, and
then she chainsaws the giant monster
into the tree disposal truck and then it
just, it just shoots blood everywhere.
Um,
Adam: So many places.
Jeremy: everybody is covered in blood.
Ben: when she is literally coded head
to toe, just like, fucking scarlet red.
Adam: Mm
Ben: It is just, aw, that's
that evil dead goodness.
Like,
Brent: like how easy it is to
just turn on a wood chipper and
how ready they are to just be
switched on by a six year old girl?
Ben: yeah, I love that woodchippers
are inherently child operable.
Jeremy: mean, ever since I saw Steve
Buscemi go into one, you know, I've been,
Adam: My, my favorite, my favorite
part about that too was that,
Ben: Children operating woodchippers,
coming soon to a red state near you.
Brent: Yeah.
Lan: Yeah.
Brent: Get them back to work, boys.
Adam: like the transformed Ellie, Bridget,
Danny, like they were literally trying
to grind the gorilla or grind Betha.
Then it turns off and
they're just like, whatever.
Like they don't bother to investigate.
They like had this big
plan and they're like.
Well, fuck it now, I'll just be
a bitch to you all over again.
Until, until, until a tiny child comes
from behind and turns the sucker on.
Jeremy: you know how hard it is
to get your kids together to do
anything and just, like, get them
all moving in the same direction?
Uh, yeah.
Yeah,
Brent: it does, I did like the kind
of vibe of like, Buffy, you know,
oh, you couldn't kill this monster.
And they're like, well, we've had
a lot of time to invent bazookas,
so we're going to give it a shot.
Like, oh, you got, you got
to do complete dismember it.
Great.
We've got wood chippers now.
Let's go for it.
Oh
Lan: Yeah.
Did you read how much,
Jeremy: uh, don't really,
uh, not capable of too much.
Ben: Yeah, like, that priest, he
tried, like, dude, he was like, I
buried him and it didn't work, and
I stabbed him and it didn't work.
It's like, I guess we have no
choice but to dismember him.
And I'm like, yeah, dude,
fuckin Ash figured that shit
out in, like, 20 minutes.
Where you been at?
Lan: Did you see how much
blood the total film used?
Ben: No.
Jeremy: had a...
Lan: It was 1, 700 gallons.
Ben: Holy shit.
Brent: my God.
Ben: That's a lot of blood.
Brent: I wish I had a way
of making that a capacity.
I don't know what that
volume of gallons is.
Is that like eight Olympic swimming pools?
Is it one?
Lan: I'm trying to think,
I mean, if you need that in
Brent: I don't need that.
We'll let the listeners you
know, get in the comments.
Lan: yeah, so that's that just seems
but as you were saying when she's just
soaked That's where a lot of that went.
I mean, that's 1, 700
Brent: Oh, that'd be a
great name for the movie.
1700 gallons of blood.
Adam: I, I am glad you
asked that question, Brent,
'cause I just looked it up.
And guess how, like a swimming
pool has 660,000 gallons.
I was gonna say like, the budget
was like 15 to 19 million.
So the fact that they got so much
going on, but I was like that,
you know, you can only afford so
much blood with even that budget,
Brent: Yeah.
And it's like the, uh, like the
Barbie movie, how the production
of it caused there to be a
shortage of pink paint worldwide.
This caused a blood shortage worldwide.
Ben: They used real blood!
So many people who needed
transfusion died, bud!
Lan: It was just it was it was
just blood that was going bad
Ben: Yeah.
Brent: gotta fill this elevator.
Ben: It was dis It was discount blood.
Yeah, the ex It was coming
up on the expiration date.
Adam: I was gonna say, at least, like,
what, probably 1, 500 gallons had to
just be that elevator, like, shot alone.
Like, there's a lot of blood
and everything else, but my
god, to fill up that elevator
Ben: just like for They just kinda
formed a dunk tank and then just like
And then just like Dipped Danny in,
like, Achilles, like, baby Achilles.
Brent: This feels like one of
those weird, you know, tech
company interview questions.
Like, uh, how many tennis
balls fit into an airplane?
How many gallons of blood
can fit into an elevator?
Jeremy: Yeah, and I mean it ends with
the two of them walking away and then
surviving and then, uh, we do get the
reintroduction of Jessica right here
at the end who is, you know, as we're
reminded the beginning of this movie takes
place like in this day, so Jessica is...
You know, infected here by the, I guess,
by the random blood that she's having to
walk through to get to her car because
the whole parking garage is fucked.
Adam: The most oblivious person on
the Like, the fact that she was just
sleeping overnight, and she's like,
yeah, it was just a really bad storm.
I was like, how did you
not hear anything that was
Brent: You didn't hear a
gun go off eight times?
Jeremy: You didn't hear the
entire stairwell of your building
Adam: film?
The laughing.
Jeremy: Like...
Brent: Three people fused into a monster.
You,
Adam: that's Hey, that's
demon walking, so,
Lan: Yeah, that's true.
That's, those are some good
noise cancelling headphones.
That's a good endorsement right there.
Brent: she walked in, uh, into the
parking garage and said you know, I
just, I, I, it was storming so much
last night, I barely got any sleep.
Well then, bitch, what were you,
what the fuck were you listening
to if you couldn't sleep?
Adam: couldn't hear anything.
Jeremy: Wild.
Yeah, so, uh, that's, that's the film.
Guys, we have so many
questions about this one.
Uh, and I think we've already started
to answer what's usually our first one.
Is this movie feminist?
Ben: No, I don't think it is!
I, I think it thinks it is.
Lan: I think he thinks it is, too.
I, I don't know if it, again, the
motherhood themes subtle as a train wreck.
Subtle as family members
becoming a monster that you
somehow can't see or hear.
I don't know.
I would never, I would never say out
loud or at least recommend like, Oh yeah,
that's a really good feminist production
they did of like, this evil dead.
I mean, It wasn't written
or directed by a woman.
I don't know, that doesn't have
anything to do with anything, really.
I'm glad that Morgan Davies found work.
He's in, uh, the One Piece
live action series as Kobe.
Adam: I didn't know that.
Lan: I like when trans
actors can find work, always.
But no, I, as, as, as Ben, as
Ben so poignantly, And also not
suddenly, but it thinks it is.
But I would never consider Evil Dead
Rises, wow, such a feminist masterpiece.
Adam: Yeah, I would, I
would second both of you.
I would also say I'm like, I don't
think it detracts or like, there's
anything that's like, you're, wow,
you really kind of fucked it up.
But I, I think it's like,
I think it's just neutral.
I gotta, it's like
Lan: Yeah, yeah,
Adam: considered.
Ben: not don't, it's not don't
breathe, let's just put it that
Jeremy: God.
Lan: Ha
Adam: Oh
Jeremy: Oh my god.
Or,
Adam: movie
Jeremy: or, like, my objections to the,
the Evil Dead remake are, are largely
along these lines of like, the, several
of the female characters get possessed
by deadites and the way that you can
tell they're possessed by deadites
is they start pissing themselves and
like, like having really humiliating
shit happen to them and I'm like, oh,
good, that's a, that's a great take.
Lan: Yeah.
Jeremy: but like, I think, I think,
well, it would be disingenuous to, to
say, like, with, with these particular
themes that this movie is feminist,
it does, like, have two very, or
maybe even three very meaty parts
for, like, Actors like this, you know,
this portrayal of Ellie as this like
monster of the main boss of this movie.
She is so fucking scary in this movie.
And it's such a like meaty part
where she gets to deliver these great
lines and do this great horror shit.
That is usually reserved for
like, you know, a white dude and
a large white dude in a mask.
And she like, she really
gets to tear it up.
And as much as.
Beth is not rounded in some of the
ways that we maybe would have liked.
I feel like that part is,
is really good as well.
And as sort of like, she's
a non traditional final girl
Brent: I mean, if I could push back a
little bit on that, that my thinking about
how feminist this movie is, is that it
kind of hinges on Beth's storyline a lot.
And.
She becomes this kind of badass in the
last 15 minutes, but to me, it feels
like strong female character type badass.
Like, oh, you wrote a male and
then replaced it with female at the
end of your script because there's
nothing that leads up to this.
That up to that transition that
felt like, oh, I understand why her
character had some transformation.
Like, there's nothing that
she came to terms with that.
The closest we got was like,
protect a child, which I think
that basically anyone would do.
in that circumstance, whether you're
not, you've had a relationship to it.
And so it kind of just felt like it's
divorced, you know, it's divorced
from having a female specific
character and it's not particularly
interested in her having a larger arc.
Adam: But they were gonna
pull the baby out of her.
Brent, that was her journey.
. She was like, no one's
getting this baby but me.
Ben: It went from I can't, she
went from I can't be a mom to,
like, yes, I will be a mom.
Jeremy: gotta be a real mother.
Uh,
Adam: I, I,
Ben: She's like John Wick,
like, yeah, I'm thinking I'm a
Lan: Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Yeah, and in that tone because of that
sort of progression and her responsibility
is kind of forced on her because, but
I mean, obviously she accepts it, but I
don't think, no, I don't think that, you
know, it is kind of funny because leading
up to this, a few months leading up to
this people were in a riled up state
as they usually get, where shit they
haven't seen before, if people were,
I say people, but they're, you know,
Brent: dead
Lan: like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Ben: mom!
People with air quotes.
Lan: yeah, yeah.
Uh, we're wondering if Evil
Dead had gone full woke slash
SJW because of the women leads.
Adam: Ugh.
Lan: And even then, by principle, it's
like, that doesn't mean anything, because
again, you've lost all meaning of the
fucking words you want to use to describe
something you're not going to like.
I mean, we had, you know,
we had, that's politically
incorrect, that's politi whatever.
End of the 90s.
And now, again, it's just a
word that gets used because...
They can't say a slur.
So, I was ready to defend this movie,
and I'm glad I, like, actually saw it,
just because I'm principled, like, who
cares, as long as it's good, and it is
good, it's a solid, like, if we're giving
this a number scale, if we have to, gun
to head, if Ben came over to my house
and was like, give me a number about this
movie, and I'm like, Jesus Christ, okay
Ben: Which I've been
known to do from time to
Lan: right, right, right,
give me a number, write this
Ben: Watch the Baywatch movie and tell
me if you can give it a numerical score.
Lan: 6.
5.
But this would be like a 7.
5,
Adam: Right.
Lan: 8, 7.
5 to 8, like sliding depending
on like a day, but nothing above.
It's not revo, it's, it's not
revolutionary in any sense.
I mean people would say like, oh,
you can't even say like it's women's
centric horror because Scream did that.
It's You know, 30 years ago, all, you
know, most horror is women centric, but
the fact that Evil, you know, Evil Dead
Rises makes women, the victims, the
heroes, and the monsters at the same time,
that's neat, but I wouldn't say it's, it's
feminist by design, if that makes sense.
Adam: What is it?
I think you're, I mean, I
think, I like what you were
saying, what everyone's saying.
It's, it's almost like a production
quality, like, is it embodying of...
women empowerment in the
creation of the film?
In many cases, yes.
From the content of the film,
is it actually like, you know,
women centric, feminist focused?
Like, I, I think, I think it's like
we keep saying there's, you can tell
there's elements and threads pulled,
and somebody, you know, took a women
and gender study 101 course maybe when
they were writing this, but it's not
as though we're like getting anything,
going back to your, your rating scale,
it's like we're not getting anything new.
from this conversation.
There's no like 102 or
201 of women experiences.
It's merely just what's the base level.
It's typically like when they
make gay movies, like you get
a lot of gay 101 type content.
So it's like everyone learns about
coming out or everyone learns about
XYZ and that's all great, but like.
We really, in order for things to really
be where they should be nowadays, the
story should be more complex than, This
woman's ready to be a woman now, because
she's a mother, and I think that's kind
of the main thread, which doesn't feel
like a great takeaway story for anyone.
Where you just have Barbie, which
is like, anybody can do anything
and be anyone and this and that.
You know, and that's not what Evil Dead
Rise is going for, but, you know, if
we, if we're holding it to the standard
that it didn't, didn't know it had to, I
think that's, like, why it just feels off
Jeremy: yeah, I, I think Interestingly
for me, I feel like usually I'm the person
that's like, yeah, maybe you did this
thing, but like, what about the plot?
And in this movie, I
feel like, fuck the plot.
Like, the plot is not great.
The plot is, is, is, I could
very easily leave behind.
It's really just like, the thing
that this movie, like, that
made this movie for me is Alyssa
Sutherland's performance as Ellie.
Like, she's
Ben: which is fantastic.
Jeremy: She's such
Ben: an icon.
Lan: Yeah.
Jeremy: And
Brent: performance as a non
Australian was just incredible.
Ben: Oh yeah, and then, And when this
movie, you know, is fucking like, Stabbing
people and chainsaws and woodchippers
and eating eyeballs, like, I, like, it
could be a great time, it's just, like
you said, it's just I don't know, it's
got some pacing issues, it's got some,
uh, You know, it's got some issues I think
stand I really think it's big issues,
I think it has some trouble standing
out amongst what's a pretty strong
landscape for horror movies these days.
Adam: I will say, real talk, I do think
the movie probably could have been a 9
or a 10, if they all just had Australian
accents that they normally have.
You
Ben: Oh yeah,
Brent: Oh, I know.
Oh, there's a bloody
Lan: that, that's a, that's a
really good thing, because all the
Brent: us.
Quick, shoot it with your gun.
Ben: and then Danny could have said
time to put a shrimp on the barbie
and then lit his sister on fire.
Brent: Yeah,
Lan: yeah, no, but that would have
been, I think that would have been
revolutionary, because we've never had,
really, like, outside of Army of Darkness,
we haven't had evil dead outside of Yeah.
America.
And to know that the book
can just be anywhere.
doesn't have to be in this one location.
Book has been gone for, when
did the remake hit, 2013?
Okay, so the book's been
gone for like a decade.
it can't just wander
around and be someplace.
It doesn't need an explanation
on why it would be in Australia.
It just travels.
It's a force of nature.
So, I think that would
have been interesting.
Now, I don't think this needs to turn
into a indifferent timeline scenario,
Dead through the ages, kind of what
they were doing in Ash versus Evil Dead.
I think it would be kind of cool.
Ben: Yeah.
Brent: Ash versus Predator.
I like it.
Adam: you
Lan: That was definitely something, right?
No?
Okay.
Adam: Your comment about where,
you know, it's just making me think
of Carmen Sandiego, like where
in the world is the Necronomicon?
My favorite new reality TV show for kids.
It's very dangerous.
That's
Lan: Look, I think that
would be really great.
You have you have Keith David as the
inspector, the commissioner, and you
assign paranormal investigators to
find the book of the dead in the world.
This sells itself, really.
Actually, scrap this.
No one needs to hear about this.
We pitch this tomorrow.
Jeremy: I absolutely feel like Max would,
Ben: this.
This idea's all ours now.
Jeremy: Max would make like four
different shows out of that two
of them being reality shows.
Like
Adam: good, that
Jeremy: you know, every week somebody
finds the book of the dead in the
house that they're trying to renovate.
You know,
Brent: That'd be great.
Like, oh, like the amazing race,
but like they're fleeing the demons
that are trying to possess them.
Jeremy: I was just going to say at
some point, you know, we've got like
the The one of the many couples that
renovates houses, they just, you
know, accidentally unearth the book
and start trying to kill each other.
Adam: perfect.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Lan: I'd be into that.
Adam: I mean there's definitely gonna
be, I'm trying to think of other evil
dead, like there's gonna be an evil
dead cruise ship at some point, right?
Like that feels to me like a good place.
Brent: Yeah, Evil Dead takes Manhattan.
It's all on a boat, baby.
Jeremy: Just do the, the evil
dead burn notice crossover that
everybody is dying for, you know?
Just have Bruce Campbell
meet Bruce Campbell.
Lan: If it goes to
Israel, the evil dead sea.
Adam: Oh, see, that
would actually make sense
Brent: But it's spelled, it's
spelled Evil Dead comma S E E.
It's
Adam: scene.
Brent: the Evil Dead, see?
Jeremy: that's one that
takes place in 20s Chicago.
Thank you for that, Shane!
Brent: watch out for the
Evil Dead, it's Necronomicon.
Jeremy: Okay, I, I don't know if you
guys have anything to say about this,
but I don't feel like this movie has
a lot to say about mental illness or
disability at all nor does it have
anything significant, I think, to
say about race or social justice.
You know, has
Ben: no, but I, I do think it's you
know, worth pointing out that, uh, Morgan
Davies, who plays Danny, is, uh, trans, so
we do have some cool trans representation
in the movie, even if Danny does suck
and end up causing all of the problems.
Jeremy: Trans people can play
characters that suck too, you
Adam: well, that's what I want.
That was like when the movie came out,
there was a big kind of like Twitter push
of people saying like, thank goodness
for like actual trans representation
where people can also be fucking idiots.
Just like any other
kind of representation.
Brent: I
Ben: Yeah.
Lan: Yeah I, I think the thing about that
though is we don't know if Danny is trans.
Adam: Oh, like
Ben: nothing, there's not, there's
nothing indicating that he is in the
movie, beyond just having a trans actor.
Lan: yeah, it's just
a trans actor playing.
So that was something I, I thought
I was waiting to see if they
would actually incorporate that.
They didn't.
And that's, Again, fine, that's
not a staple of the story, but...
Yeah,
Jeremy: it's sort of a question of whether
it's better or worse that they do, right?
Like, you know, if trans people should
just be able to play any character
that's the same gender as theirs, like
it shouldn't be like it has to, they have
to be a trans male character for a trans
male to play them, but also it is nice
to have that representation in a story.
So fuck who knows.
Adam: I'll head cannon it
that they're representing and
there's a character as well
Jeremy: Yeah.
Yeah, I think it's definitely
one of those things that like, if
you want it to work, it can work.
Lan: definitely.
Jeremy: yeah, absolutely.
I
Brent: I think there's
an anti class message.
Uh, poor people deserve bad things to
happen to them, is what the demons say.
Adam: Christian, conservative,
Brent: seriously.
Like, what's the, what's that, the
social, social deification theory?
Like, you're good, you're rich
because God loves you so much.
These heathens who are tattoo
artists, you know, they deserve to
be punished for being single mothers.
Jeremy: mean, I really would like to
see some Deadites killing billionaires.
That is maybe where this series...
really needs to
Lan: already, yeah.
Evil dead of wall street.
Perfect.
Brent: Yeah, evil dead, evil dead
Adam: But it is true, if you do, yeah,
if you want to go, if they would like
to, and I, I agree that I'd like to
see it kind of swing back a little bit
more towards the ridiculously insane
camp, like, then you, yeah, you have to
choose victims that are very enjoyable
to watch die, and as much as I like,
appreciate kid death inside of a movie.
It was sad, obviously,
with all of them dying.
Very, very hopeless, like
you were saying, Ben, so.
Brent: we isolate that quote?
I appreciate kid death and you just send
Jeremy: Because I appreciate kid death.
Uh,
Adam: There goes my office run in a
Ben: that's the Letterboxd review.
I appreciate KidDef.
Five stars.
Jeremy: Yeah I was gonna say we
already really covered the question
of, of LGBT rep in this thing.
There, there isn't any, but
there is possibly implied and,
you know, active representation.
I, I feel like...
The Bridget, the daughter, definitely
could read as queer coded, but
there's really not anything in
the story to like back that up.
Adam: I had the same reaction, like
I was trying to make sure I hadn't
missed anything or forgotten anything,
because I just naturally assumed that
maybe it's the short hair, so that's
probably a biased judgment, not my part.
I was like, she's serving,
she's serving queer, I love it.
Jeremy: They're Gen Z teens, of
course they're queer, you know.
Ben: Yeah
Jeremy: yeah, so I mean, that's, that's
really, uh, the only other question is,
uh, would we recommend this to people?
Do we think it's worth them seeing it?
Lan: Oh yeah.
Ben: I would recommend it to someone
who is looking for a horror movie.
If you're someone who loves,
you know, Evil Dead and Army of
Darkness, but, you know, isn't so
much of a traditional horror fan,
I wouldn't recommend this for you.
But if you just want a traditional
horror movie, absolutely,
you'll have a good time.
Adam: Yeah, it's like if you can't make it
to a haunted forest or house in October,
this is the perfect movie to watch with a
couple of friends and some, like, drinks.
It's like a perfect, like,
entertaining movie and then
you'll never think about it again.
Unless you're on a podcast talking
Brent: I'd probably give it a three
out of eight bodies fused together.
Adam: about it.
So that's technically a nine out of eight
if you count each of those three people.
Brent: Yeah.
Jeremy: Yeah, so I, I would recommend it.
I enjoyed it.
I, you know, wanted to watch it
on here again and talk about it.
I think I would recommend it to
people with like one very notable
exception, that being my wife,
who's like trigger on horror movies
Ben: Oh, yeah.
Jeremy: in Danger.
Um, and this
Ben: handle
Jeremy: this is like
Children in Danger the movie.
It doesn't, it does not give a shit.
It will kill all the children.
Whereas she's like, like the
first time that I've ever.
left a movie like 10 minutes into it was
like When we went to go see Beast of the
Southern Wild while she was pregnant,
and like, 10 minutes in she was like,
child in danger, cannot continue to watch
this movie, up and out in the middle
of, like, 10 minutes into the movie.
And I watched, I remember watching this
by myself, because it was like a weekend,
the rest of the family was away doing
something, and I was like, Yeah, this is
the only time I've ever seen this movie.
There's no way that I'm
watching it with any of them.
So yeah, like, it's, it's incredibly
gruesome, uh, dark in some places,
and, and they will straight up
murder some children in this movie.
But, if you're into that, then it's fun.
Adam: You'll have a great time.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Do we have
Brent: like it's very accessible.
It's very accessible horror, in my
opinion, that if you're like, if you're
not super familiar with a lot of horror
references, if you haven't seen 8
million, if the mother is evil type
horror movies, this is one I think that's
like a nice entry point for anyone.
Jeremy: yeah, it's, uh, can help you rise
through your, uh, horror movie journey.
Um, do we have any, uh,
recommendations for people this week?
Uh, Ben, did you have
anything to recommend?
Ben?
Ben: I would, sorry, I would recommend,
well, if you want to keep just
bad times with families going, uh,
you know, give Hereditary another
spin, we covered it on the podcast,
Jeremy: Yeah, absolutely.
Ben: and then listen to our episode about
it, give us those sweet, sweet downloads.
Jeremy: Absolutely.
Uh, Lin, what about you?
You got recommendations?
Lan: I haven't seen it yet,
so I can't recommend it.
But I hear no one will save you is.
Absolutely killer.
So I'm going to check it
out, I think, this weekend.
I'm excited.
I'm excited when the horror
aficionados in my life are
basically like, yeah, this is it.
But I'm always wary because sometimes
they will hype up something like
Babadook and I was just like, that
is one of the most boring movies
I've ever seen in my life and
Ben: Oh, no,
Lan: me want to not kill a
kid, but like, if something
Jeremy: Not not Kill a Kid!
Lan: Right, like, I
Ben: I love, man, oh,
man, I love Papa Duke.
Adam: did it make you terrified
to flip through a storybook?
Just like the CheesyBoxGrader?
Lan: no, no, no, no, no but, man,
because I'm compiling a list right
now for movies for the spooky time.
I don't know, I'm still
a sucker for, It Follows.
I'm still a sucker for It Follows.
It Follows is so good.
I would say It Follows is feminist.
I would also recommend Francis
Ford Coppola's Dracula because
it's always a banger and people who
don't like that movie are cowards.
Jeremy: Yeah, that, that, I
remember we, we talked about that
movie and, uh, how it should have
won an award for most directing.
Ben: Yes,
Lan: is directed by somebody else.
Jeremy: There's so much going on
on that screen at any given time.
Sometimes somebody, people
might argue, too much.
That's a coward's perspective.
Ben: yes.
We don't, we don't listen to such
small minds, who lack vision.
Jeremy: Brent, did you
have anything to recommend?
Brent: Yeah, so am I just recommending
like a movie or like a horror movie?
Okay, uh, well,
Ben: You could be a nice cookie recipe if
Brent: uh, a horror movie, a horror
movie I really like Pirates of the
Caribbean, Curse of the Black Pearl.
It's
Ben: do love that first one.
Brent: film.
No, if I was going to recommend
something that's related to this horror
and you like dead children check out
Something is Killing the Children,
Lan: Well, yeah,
Brent: something Volume
series by James Tynion IV.
It's fantastic.
Adam: I can jump in.
it's old now, but in preparation
of, I think, what is it, Mike
Flanagan's new House of Usher.
I would just recommend that.
I'm sure it's going to be
amazing, but if you haven't
Ben: that looks great.
Adam: if you haven't seen Midnight
Mass, you should watch it immediately.
It's a really excellent limited series.
Probably my favorite of the ones
that have come out so far, except for
maybe the original Hill House one.
But in general, yeah, I'm just so excited.
He's such a good personality.
He's a great actor.
He really produces the horror
that I enjoy, so I would
definitely check him out.
Jeremy: Yeah, I enjoyed that one as well.
I went on a A Flanagan rampage
about this time last year went to
all three of his Netflix series
Adam: except for what?
Midnight Club?
The kid one is not good.
Jeremy: Yeah, I haven't seen that one.
That's the, that's the
only one I stopped at.
Adam: Way more kid death in it, I think.
I stopped because there weren't
enough children dying on an
Brent: Your trigger,
your trigger is not kid
Adam: I was going to say,
I'm the opposite of your
Jeremy: All of these kids survived.
I hate it.
Ben: Yeah, don't worry, the kid survived,
but uh, the true killer was Netflix.
Brent: Yeah.
Adam: yeah.
Jeremy: Yeah, I am.
I'm watching a bunch of TV shows right
now trying to catch up on some things.
the only thing I'm watching that's very
like horror centric right now is, uh,
we're watching the other black girl
on Netflix, which is, um, I'm sorry.
Yes.
Hulu.
And, uh, I am not sure about that.
Uh, yeah, we were three
episodes in and it's.
I don't know, it might turn it around, but
so far it's low on the creepy, from what
I understand the book is like 75 percent
workplace satire, 25 percent creepy stuff,
and uh, that's basically, it seems like
they just got the creepy stuff started
earlier, and it's just sort of very slowly
building into something creepy, while
mostly just being a workplace thing.
But they do have the actor who plays
Will and Will and Grace as the,
like, menacing, menacing, publisher
character, . And then, so like, if you
ever wanted to see him being menacing
it's an an interesting attempt.
Adam: Well, am I correct, do you
guys watch Slasher on Shudder at all?
I, I swear that he was also the bad guy
in that, and that's why I just think
I'm like, he's now typecast, I guess,
as I'd have to look that up, but...
I'm like, sadly I did
see it and it is awkward.
Jeremy: Yeah, so yeah, I wouldn't
entirely recommend that one.
It's worth checking out.
it has some directors in there
for, like, we've watched stuff
for on here and talked about.
The, what I would recommend that I'm
watching on, on Hulu right now is
this third season of Only Murders
in the Building, which is fantastic.
Lan: always
Jeremy: to wrap up.
But like, taking a movie, taking a show
that's already that good and already
has that good of a cast and adding
Meryl Streep and Paul Rudd to it is
just like, it feels like cheating.
Ben: Oh yeah, it's such a good show.
Jeremy: Yeah, and Meryl
Streep is great in it.
I'm excited to see how
Adam: Well, I'm so surprised.
Ben: sure is.
Brent: Oh, Meryl Streep sucks.
She's terrible in this.
Jeremy: very like, underplaying
in a way that is not very
like, very like Meryl Streep y.
She's, you know, playing a
like, an older woman who's...
She's been trying to break in as
an actor her whole life and, you
know, has, has had little to no
success with it, so like, she's
playing the opposite of her, I guess.
Yeah, that's that's been fantastic so far.
That's almost wrapped up.
And if you haven't seen the first
two seasons, they're all on Hulu.
You should absolutely check out
that show, podcast right now.
Yeah, so that, uh, that
wraps it up for us.
I want to see if, uh, you guys will let
people know where they can find out more
about, uh, you and what you do online.
Uh, Lan, did you want to start that off?
Lan: I can do that.
Google me.
It's pretty easy.
I'm the only one of me.
I'm a Baltimore, I live in Baltimore.
If anyone, has a third eye, uh, regular,
third eye comics regular hit me up.
I'm always trying to find new
comic people out here too.
But you can find me on
Twitter, I refuse to call it X.
Sounds awful.
At Pitsdorf, P I T S E D underscore O F F.
Uh, and then my Instagram is just my name.
Again, I, I'm pretty
much me across the board.
I'm on Blue Sky as my name.
I'm everywhere.
Jeremy: everywhere.
Omnipresent, Lan.
Lan: yeah, yeah.
It's exhausting.
Jeremy: that's over here.
Adam, what about you?
Adam: Uh, yeah.
So my personal handle is Adam dot KU ssa.
I It's for Insta you know,
for Homeless Appear Podcast.
There's, if you loved us, there's
three more of us on our own podcast.
On a weekly basis, where we talk about
the MCU, X Men, you can find us, and
again, I think I mentioned before,
Jeremy Bend, you're on our Critter Crush,
which is where we talk to people in the
industry that are doing amazing things,
particularly in comics, uh, and so,
you know, you can find us on Twitter, I
agree, Lan, we're not talking about X,
but it is HomosapirX on Twitter, and then
it's Homosapir Podcast, on Instagram.
We did that first.
We did that first before Elon
Musk decided to fuck up a really
good social media platform.
Lan: That's such a good name.
Jesus Christ.
Jeremy: and Brent, uh, can you
let people know where they can
find more about you as well?
Brent: Well, sure.
Adam's already plugged our podcast,
Home of Superior, but, uh, if you want
to find me on Instagram, I'm at Mr.
Brent Wingate W I N G A T E.
Uh, if you want to find me on
America's Test Kitchen in the
comics, it's BakesASlut XX69.
Get, get at me.
Jeremy: All right, and, uh,
uh, Ben, you want to let people
know where they can find you?
Ben: Yes, well, in addition to
finding me here on Progressively
Horrified every Friday, uh, you
can find me at BenKahnComics.
com, uh, subscribe to my newsletter, and
also find me on Twitter at BenTheKahn.
And, uh, make sure to go check out
El Cambo Wins Their Weekend, uh,
my middle grade novel about a non
binary 7th grader trekking across
town to meet their celebrity hero,
which is out now in bookstores.
Adam: Grass.
Jeremy: as for me, you can find
me at jrome58, that's j r o m e
5 8, on Twitter and Instagram.
You can find me at Jeremy
Whitley on Blue Sky and Tumblr.
Um, and then, you can find me right here
on Progressively Horrified every week.
And you can also find me in the
bookstore in November when School for
Extraterrestrial Girls Book 2 is coming
out by, uh, by myself and Jamie Noguchi.
And then of course you can
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Thanks again to our guests
for joining us guys.
This has been a ball.
We can talk about this movie
all night with you guys
Adam: I could talk about kid
murder the rest of my day.
Ben: Yes.
Brent: I'll talk about kid
murder long after they're gone.
Ben: Yeah!
Jeremy: thanks as always to Ben.
Thanks to all of you for listening.
And until next time, stay horrified.