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A podcast that holds horror to standards horror never agreed to. Hosts Jeremy Whitley, Ben Kahn, Emily Martin and guests watch, read, listen to, and check out movies, tv shows, comics, books, art and anything else from the horror genre and discuss it through a progressive lens. We'll talk feminism in horror, LGBTQ+ issues and representation in horror, racial and social justice in horror, disability and mental health/illness in horror, and the work of female and POC directors, writers, and creators in horror.
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Emmanuel: Alright, how
is that audio level?
Emily: Sounds great.
Jeremy: think it's good.
Emily: Yeah,
Emmanuel: I can hear y'all, am I here?
By whatever the word for the
things on the side Here's!
There we go.
Emily: the ears.
Yeah, that's the one that you hear through
Jeremy: Yeah.
Yeah.
Emily: depends though,
unless you have synesthesia.
Emmanuel: Alright, I'm
ready when y'all are.
Jeremy: All right.
Ben: I prefer to call them
sound orifices myself.
Emily: Yeah, ear balls.
I like ear balls.
Jamila: Well, that's good.
Jeremy: It's my sound nose.
Let's jump into this.
good evening and welcome to
Progressively Horrified, the podcast
where we hold horror to progressive
standards that never agreed to.
Tonight, we're talking about the
incredible Spanish found footage horror
movie with huge amounts of ACAB energy.
It's REC or REC or record.
We couldn't really come down to
say the name of this movie is,
Emily: riggedy rick!
Jeremy: to search.
Yeah.
your host Jeremy Whitley and
with me tonight, I have a panel
of cinephiles and Cenobites.
First, they're here to challenge
the sexy werewolf, sexy vampire
binary, my co host Ben Kahn.
Ben, how are you tonight?
Ben: Local news taking, if it
bleeds, it leads, to new levels.
Jeremy: Absolutely.
And the cinnamon roll of Cenobites,
our co host Emily Martin.
How are you tonight, Emily?
Emily: I've been spoiled by so many of
these, uh, what we do in the shadows type
mockumentaries that, uh, I was surprised
when, like, this wasn't full comedy.
It's almost refreshing, actually.
Ben: extremely not a comedy.
Emily: Yeah,
Jeremy: Barely a comedy at all.
Emily: yeah.
Jeremy: And our guest tonight,
first returning guest, English
educator, Emanuel Lipscomb.
Welcome back, Emanuel!
Emmanuel: Thanks, I'm glad to be here
and excited to talk about this wild movie
Jeremy: Yeah, and, uh, first time guest
tonight, the now Ignatz nominated
comic writer and editor, Jamila Rowser.
Jamila, thanks for joining us!
Jamila: Thank you.
I'm so excited to be here and talk
about horror and found footage
is one of my favorite genres.
And this one's one of my favorites too.
Ben: And congrats on the Ignatz
nomination, that's amazing!
Jamila: you.
Thank you.
you know, I hoped it was gonna happen.
. I gonna be like, this doesn't happen.
But I was still very excited.
Jeremy: Ignatz is a really hard
one to guess at, I feel like.
They're,
Jamila: Yeah.
yeah.
I got the Eisner, so I'm like, I
didn't win it, but I'll take a nom.
That still sounds, looks
nice in whatever bio I have.
Emily: I can say Heisner nominated.
I think it's just as good.
Ben: Oh, I ride my nominations
for all they're worth.
Emily: Oh yeah.
Jeremy: Absolutely.
Ben: put that glad award
nominated in all them bios.
Emily: I
Jeremy: Eisner is very
much like, is it very good?
Yes, they'll probably
nominate it for something.
Ignatz is like, is it weird enough though?
Is it like something they've never seen
Jamila: yeah.
Um, yeah, you never know.
Emily: think I found a new goal in life.
Jeremy: Yeah all right.
Ben, did you want to recap
this one or should I do it?
I know you had planned on it.
Ben: I can do a recap.
I can do a super duper, super
speedy recap so we can dive right
into this movie and all of the
fucking crazy shit that happens.
Emily: recap?
Jamila: Oh,
Ben: Oh, I see what you did.
This movie follows reporter
Angela Vidal and cameraman Pablo.
Pablo, played by Pablo Razo, the
movie's actual cinematographer.
Emily: Nice.
Jamila: What?
That's so cool.
Jeremy: I mean, sort
of by necessity, right?
Like, it's all like, done so literally
found footage y, it's kind of got to be.
And this, this one I think
opts for like realism.
In the found footage rather than
making things pretty in a lot of cases.
Jamila: sure.
Yeah.
Ben: Extremely so.
They are the news team behind While
You're Sleeping, a very creepily
titled local news segment, uh, where
they just kind of follow people
on night jobs and report on it.
Tonight they're covering a firehouse
They don't show you what the firemen eat.
I really wanted to see what
Spanish firemen eat, but
they don't show it to you.
Emmanuel: Very disappointing.
Jeremy: paella
Ben: Oh,
Jamila: I know, I was gonna say that too.
Emmanuel: all
Ben: Man, I could go for
some fireman paella, like,
Emmanuel: that a euphemism?
Emily: Yeah, right.
Jamila: Oh,
Ben: I could go for it both
euphemism ly and literally.
Jeremy: get that paella
and then ride that pole
Ben: I love paella.
It's delicious.
It's rice, it's got calamari,
shrimp, mussels, it's great.
Now I want Spanish food.
Thanks a lot.
Emmanuel: And the firemen have muscles.
Emily: Yeah.
Muscles on those firemen.
Ben: yeah they do.
Any
Jeremy: able to slide down the poles can't
do that with a camera by the way It's
Jamila: Yeah,
Ben: How long do you think they figured,
they tried to figure out how they could
do it with a camera before they gave up?
Jeremy: I imagine like they got to
that point and they were like, I, uh,
I can't go down this with the camera,
and they were like, Just, just say that!
Just say that in the movie!
Emily: Yeah.
There you
Jamila: Add it, in there, perfect.
Emmanuel: I like to imagine they
shot it, but they had to cut it
because the camera guy kept giggling.
Like he was just too gleeful.
Emily: Yeah, he
Jamila: It's like,
Emily: really slowly went down.
That's the thing about those polls is that
Jeremy: What is the
thing about those polls,
Emily: Oh God, I've
Ben: Emily, please tell
us about the polls.
Jeremy: Start that sentence,
Emmanuel: Alicia put in
some theme music right here.
Emily: um,
Ben: bow bow.
Emily: have more traction than you think.
That's true, though.
Emmanuel: say that friction is important
Emily: Yeah, friction is,
Jamila: Is it similar to stripper poles?
Emily: no,
actually, like,
Jamila: pose.
Oh,
Emily: exotic
Jamila: I know those spin
too, which I didn't know.
Emily: yeah,
Jamila: Yeah.
Emily: um, the dancer poles are
smaller and usually they have,
the dancers are prepped for, like,
you know, working with the poles.
Ben: Only the fireballs in Teton can spin.
Emily: Yeah, that was another thing.
I was, getting some flashbacks.
But no, fire poles, they go
down slower than you think.
That's what I'm trying to say.
Is that they don't
Jeremy: You don't see a lot
of firemen just sort of...
You don't see them sliding
upside down with sort of their
legs wrapped around them.
Ben: Watches one European
firefighter movie.
Yes, did it have vibes, or was it just,
they both have European firemen in them?
Emily: I think, well, I think both
of them have firemen named Manu, but
Jamila: That's a menu.
Emily: Yeah,
bless
Manu.
Nice.
Yeah,
Ben: so they get the call, a woman
is being all bitey and creepy and
definitely not a zombie, so they get...
Sent to the apartment to check it
out, but, bitey things happen, so
people get their faces bitten off.
They all head out to try to
get into the hospital, but oh!
The European paramilitary police
are here to, uh, lock it down.
Because it is a quarantine, which,
again, like every pre pandemic movie,
now post pandemic, just carries
all sorts of new connotations.
Jeremy: Oh, yeah.
Ben: Uh, so, so now we get the movie,
where we are trapped in a relatively
very narrow and tiny apartment
building, that is slowly being more
and more taken over by zombies.
Uh, we get some, you know, some
police, we get some people that just
fall off things, some bodies hit the
floor, lots of face biteys a little
girl will give you the best damn jump
scare you've seen since The Descent?
And pretty much everyone in this apartment
building, except for Angela Pablo
and Manu the firefighter, end up just
completely fucked up and zombie eaten,
but they come up with a plan to get the
key and get out through the basement.
Until Manu becomes a zombie, and then
it's like, Well, fuck plants, let's
just get upstairs to the penthouse.
Which, we were told earlier, was
owned by just some guy from Madrid.
Don't worry about it.
I'd forgotten about it, and
I was like, oh shit, right.
I should've known that was gonna matter.
But then they get inside, and it's
horror monster creepy as fuck.
Emily: they walk right into Resident Evil.
Like, they were in Resident
Evil, but then they like walked
into
the
Jamila: Let's look at the same
Emmanuel: Including creepy little girl.
Emily: Yeah, yeah,
Jamila: Yes, the footsteps in the ceiling.
Ben: Oh my god, when that little girl
just fuckin turns and starts biting her
mom's, like, face off, like, fuckin wild.
Jamila: I laughed, honestly.
, it just seemed so funny.
Ben: That's really the turning point
where I think this movie becomes,
like, 70 percent just screaming?
This is a very screamy movie.
Jamila: it
Emmanuel: To be fair, that would
be me also in that situation.
I would be like, well, like,
what do I think we should do?
Like, I'd be screaming, like, I'd be
Ben: Yes, but they're all very screaming
and as part of the, found footage
genre, they aren't using the best
audio equipment in the movie either.
So,
Emily: that
Jeremy: Ah!
Ben: at many points during this movie,
my partner had to go, like, stop and be
like, What the fuck are you watching?
Emmanuel: When they used a lot
of distortion too, like, it, the
sound would like cut out and like,
Ben: oh Yeah, very effectively done.
Emily: yeah.
Ben: But this apartment, holy shit,
you got newspaper murder wall, you
got just fluids, and you got, for
me, the creepiest thing of all,
fucking crucifixes everywhere.
You
Emily: because the Vatican
was involved somehow.
Ben: If I'm in a zombie apocalypse,
and I walk into an apartment fucking
wall to wall of crucifixes, I'm
taking my chances with the zombies.
Jeremy: I love the implication of this,
in that like, they're like, alright,
there was a girl that was possessed,
and they brought her here, like, they
stole her from the hospital, and brought
her here to exorcise her, they couldn't
exorcise her, so they were like, let's
kill her, and they couldn't kill her,
Ben: Because it's the T virus,
and she's clearly mutating.
She becomes a Resident
Evil enemy by the end.
Jeremy: yeah, she's, she's got a case of
like, a devil that you can catch, like,
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: Gotta catch em all, Devilman!
Jeremy: devil's communicative.
Emily: We watched that anime though.
Ben: I know!
Emily: Devilmon.
Ben: One of our most
popular episodes, Devilman.
Emily: Really?
Ben: It is.
Jeremy: they, uh, he's trying to look
in the attic to see what's up there.
And so he's sticking the camera
up there and we see a creepy
little kid, swap the camera, take
Ben: Who was that kid?
That kid is never fucking explained.
Jamila: The girl that woman's kid.
Ben: That kid looked like
he'd been in that attic for...
Jamila: And then how, and
then where's the priest?
Like was he completely consumed?
Emily: he was consumed.
Jamila: cause we don't see a body.
Jeremy: Now the priest
sealed the place and
Emmanuel: I think he dipped, he's
like, can't fix this, not my problem,
Jamila: This is not working.
Jeremy: that tape implies that
he was like I tried, didn't work.
They were like, kill her.
I tried that, that didn't work.
So I got the fuck out of here
and I just sealed the door.
I was like,
Jamila: leave her in an apartment building
Emmanuel: God'll take care of it.
Ben: All the lights are out, and Pablo
and Angela are now trapped in with,
like, Stretched limbs, immortal zombie
demon possessed Resident Evil boss,
Emmanuel: Complete with melee weapon.
Jamila: looks so cool.
Ben: a hammer!
Who goes full stop hammer
time permanently on Pablo.
Jamila: That was great.
Ben: Like, she's just smashing,
like, this thing is monstrous enough
on its own, and then it's like,
oh shit, it's got, like, hardware.
Jamila: a weapon.
Emily: Yeah, this one, he uses a weapon.
Emmanuel: Imagine you're Pablo, like, you
thought you were gonna shoot this little
B segment where you see some cute firemen,
Jamila: A boring thing to say.
Emmanuel: you go to whatever, and you get
murdered by a hammer wielding whatever.
Emily: Pablo's a real one though,
like he is devoted to the craft.
Jeremy: Pablo and Angela both, like,
Jamila: were both like,
did you get the shot?
Did you get that?
I'm like, oh my
Ben: Well, for a good chunk of the movie,
Angela is an absolute ghoul of a human
Jamila: yeah.
She's the real monster.
Jeremy: she also, though, like, she
doesn't give a fuck, the cop gets
in there and starts trying to take
control of shit and telling people to
shut things up, and she's like, fuck
you, we're not shutting shit up, get
out of my way, cop, like, she's like
Jamila: like the, the
public needs to know.
And I'm like, oh, now
you're this like activist.
And this is why you've been
accused and start filming.
Ben: Yeah, she's like, we're serious
journalists, like, lady, you're doing a
local news buff piece on firefighters.
Yeah.
Jamila: She's trying to get a promotion.
That's what it was.
Emily: Listen, Pablo's
a serious journalist.
Ben: yeah, Pablo's a fucking
war correspondent, Angela's
there to sell calendars.
Jamila: He was in the field
Emily: He's fucking
Wolf Blitzer over here.
And then she's like, Hi, um,
oh, look, it's the firemen's.
Jamila: the worst questions.
They're not even good questions.
Ben: uh.
So, at the very end of the movie, it's
dark, Pablo's been hammered to death
by a literal zombie demon monster.
And you're probably thinking to
yourself, wow, there's no way
out of this for Angela, is there?
And you're right!
The end.
Emily: That's the credits song though.
Emmanuel: Wild.
Emily: Fuckin slaps.
Emmanuel: Yeah, it.
was dope.
Emily: I had to look up that song.
It's
Emmanuel: Did you look at the lyrics?
The lyrics are also wild.
Emily: I've, I heard some of the
lyrics, but I didn't look them up.
Emmanuel: the label.
Emily: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let me look that up
who's the director and
Ben: This was directed by, it is credited
to, oh my god, please tell me there's
a pronunciation on the Wikipedia page.
Oh fuck, no, the pronunciation's in
Catalan, that, that doesn't help at all.
Juan Balaguero.
And
Paco Plaza.
And it is written by Paco Plaza, Luis,
and uh, Luis Berdejo, and Juan Balaguero.
Jeremy: Yeah, there's a bunch of folks
in it, but most of the time in front of
the camera spent with Manuela Velasco,
who, who plays Angela who is great.
Like,
she's
really good in
Jamila: was
Ben: Oh yeah!
Jamila: very believable.
Ben: I get why they brought
her back for like all four
fucking movies in this series.
Because she is a absolute scream queen.
Jamila: I, cause I didn't watch the rest.
I'm like, Oh, but you know, we didn't see
Emmanuel: Is she playing
a different character or
Jamila: dragged off into the dark.
Emily: I think she just made it because
I see her like on the card for rec three.
She's got like a chainsaw or something.
Emmanuel: Maybe she was just
like, no thank you, no hammers.
Ben: think the plot of 2 is that,
like, now the demon's in her.
Emily: Oh,
Jeremy: involves some priests.
I, I've seen enough of the
stuff for that, that, yeah, two
definitely involves some priests.
Three involves a wedding
for some reason so,
Emily: well, there was that
was projected from, like, all
of the weird wedding photos.
Like, I don't
know what
Jamila: hmm.
That's weird.
Emily: that whole apartment
was his own movie.
Ben: Uh, I was hoping that was just a
crossover with My Big Fat Greek Wedding.
Emily: Um, they did
mention that, you know,
Ben: Or Mamma Mia!
They could go to Gre Why are there no good
zombie apocalypses on
beautiful Greek islands?
Emily: because everyone's
too happy and chill.
Jamila: Zo and just chilling
Emily: they just disinfect
the zombies with oozo.
Ben: Oh my god, y'all,
Mamma Mia with zombies.
Do not interrupt the singing or the
search for the dead at any point.
Jeremy: Mama Mia and the Apocalypse.
Jamila: With
Ben: At the Tell me, tell me Mamma
Mia 2 wouldn't have been improved if
fuckin Zombie Meryl Streep came out
and did a whole fuckin musical number.
You can't You know that would
have improved the movie.
Emily: Sorry, now I'm looking out through
all of the, uh, the cast and everything.
So, I swear to, no, no, no, of
this movie, um, oh, thank you.
I swear I've seen Carlos Nassarte as
the guy who plays Cesar, the racist.
I've seen him in a whole bunch of stuff.
Ben: Yeah, I've seen him in every As
every fucking Greasy man in every Cartoon.
Jeremy: He's a,
Emily: swear.
I,
Jeremy: right?
Like, He's
Jamila: Oh Yeah.
Oh, for sure.
The dyed hair.
The
Ben: straight out of Central Casting,
Emmanuel: He just shows up like that.
Jamila: Oh yeah.
Ben: This character is greasy.
His slick back balding hair is greasy.
His forehead's greasy.
His mustache is greasy.
His soul is greasy.
Emmanuel: It's John
Waters Mario, mario, like.
Emily: Yeah, yeah.
Jamila: yes, that's what it is.
Ben: This character has like,
what, three lines before he starts
being like, explicitly racist?
Jamila: take long.
Emmanuel: And he's like,
hating on the camera guy at one
point, like...
Jamila: What I loved when he
was asking, Oh, are you rolling?
And I thought it was, he was
going to be upset because he said
something racist, but he's like,
Oh, I have to wipe my forehead.
I'm like,
Emily: Yeah.
Jamila: Okay.
Emily: Holy shit, this song, though.
Emmanuel: No, the lyrics are wild.
All I could catch was a rocking baby
and so I looked it up, because, I
mean, obviously it's in Spanish, but...
The snake peeks out over your shoulders,
your fangs peek out the window, your
principles have not yet been forged,
discover me artificial paradises.
It's like, what is happening
here?
Emily: Listen, when you, when you shake
that experimental little ass, I'm like,
Emmanuel: This ass was built in a lab.
Emily: yeah, I mean, it's not
little, but I'll take experimental.
Jeremy: level of metal, it
doesn't have to make sense, right?
Emmanuel: So yeah, there was a lot
going on beyond that rocking baby.
Jamila: This seems like a curse
if you like say it backwards.
Ben: You know what, I do like that the
what truly exemplifies the spirit of
this film is just straight out cock rock.
Emily: in your bowels,
the devil asks for advice.
The educational system
Emmanuel: this is the
ring video in audio form.
Like if you watch this and you don't show
it to other people, you die in seven days.
Ben: In your bowels, the
devil asks for advice.
I'm like, I don't know what the devil's
asking for, but you need Pepto Bismol.
Emmanuel: Now imagine
Pitbull singing this.
Jamila: I'm like, you
need to go to a doctor.
I don't, this
Ben: If the devil is in your bowels for
four hours or more, please consult your
Jamila: More or more.
If it's less, it's fine.
Ben: Yeah.
Emily: devil lives in
my
bowels.
Jamila: b s like
Emily: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Devil's like, um, can I have
some, I don't know, calcium?
Ben: So this is one of those movies
that It's going for visceral more than
it is narratively ambitious, I think.
And it wildly succeeds at being a
very shocking, visceral zombie movie.
I mean, this movie made me, like,
actually, like, physically in, like, gasp.
And way more often than I do
most of these movies we watch.
Emily: are a lot of wound close ups, and a
Jamila: yeah.
Emily: trauma,
and
Emmanuel: needle into the
face wound?
Yo.
Ben: in the...
Emmanuel: Gnarliest thing
I've seen in a minute.
Ben: But the best part, the best
part, is the internet coming out,
facing the camera and being like,
Yeah, I don't think it's good.
Seems bad.
Emily: Well, and with the whole, like,
Resident Evil thing going on, like, I
mean, honestly, I preferred the movie
when it was 28 Days Later, and then when
it got into, like, the fucking Vatican
shit, I'm like, this is a different movie.
They've walked into a different movie.
You know, I'm interested in, like,
the demon element, but, like, I don't
know, it feels like a little too much,
Jamila: yeah.
Ben: We went from survival
horror to stealth horror.
Emily: yeah,
yeah,
Emmanuel: there with the
dog or whatever, like
Emily: yeah,
You didn't
Emmanuel: aspect?
Emily: you're
Jamila: Oh, yeah.
yeah.
yeah.
I,
liked the difference of like,
oh, you just think it's a regular
zombie thing, it's an infection.
But then you go in this room
and there's all this like paper
clippings, Vatican stuff, possession.
And I'm like, so is this a possession?
Is this a zombie position?
And the zombies would like, Manu when
he cracked the neck and the zombie like
died and then strangled one and like seem
to die and maybe they come back later,
but I'm like, that's not usual zombie
killing methods like I was so confused.
I'm like, are they not dead?
Like, I just have all these questions, but
I like that they don't give us that much.
so
we're kind of like, I don't know.
Ben: definitely one of those
movies where I don't need answers.
Like, I'm fine
I'm fine With everything, all of the rules
and the explanation being vague, like,
because all that matters is just being
so fucking up close as humanly possible
to just the most chaotic, nightmarish,
unsurvivable situation possible.
Jamila: out,
period,
Emmanuel: I love that they make their
way all the way up to the top, they
think they've gotten in a safe house,
and you get in and it's all this like,
fucked up shit on the walls, you're like,
oh no oh it just got worse, like, and
then you
get
Jamila: like, it
Emmanuel: in the attic and...
Jamila: has to be something
better than that room, like, go to
the old
lady's room, like,
Emily: If it's the penthouse, you
should be able to go out on the roof.
Jeremy: She's got those reporter
instincts, she's like, There's
lots of evidence here, let
me see if I can
Jamila: go through folders, there's
footsteps on the ceiling, and then
they're like, okay, well, let's play
some recordings, I'm like, there's
something else you should be paying
attention to, like, something is,
is existing in this room, but let's
be an investigative reporter.
Emily: Yeah!
I
Emmanuel: As someone with ADHD, I get it.
Sometimes you're running for your life
and you get distracted like, Ooh, facts!
Jamila: Yeah,
Emily: I
Jamila: it's
Emily: would I would get ADHD'd out
in that room and be like, Oh, hold up.
this icon from?
Emmanuel: is What's he gonna say?
No, I agree with Jamila.
I've been crouched in like a safe
house in a bioshocker, like, but
I am gonna play these audio logs.
Like,
Emily: Yeah,
Jamila: go through every
piece of paper because it's
Ben: You're right, that
was very video game y, that
Jamila: very much.
Ben: out audio log.
Emily: And that's what I'm saying.
As a Resident Evil, like, Okay,
everyone keeps trying to make
these Resident Evil movies.
You don't need a plot.
You don't need a plot for
a Resident Evil movie.
You just make it found footage.
And it's even, it just
make it one of these.
I mean, that's what
playing the game is like.
Ben: This was the best
Resident Evil movie ever made.
Jamila: Honestly,
yeah.
Jeremy: clean 78 minutes.
Like,
it
Jamila: Yeah,
Jeremy: it's out.
Jamila: it was good.
it just, it did what it needed
to do, didn't, and that was it.
I loved the lady at the end and like
the long limbs and that, of course.
Night vision comes and you're
like, Oh, shit's about to go down.
Like things are, I am so scared.
Like I was the most
terrified at that moment.
Cause I just, I don't know.
And then you barely see her.
And I'm like, I don't like
this shape, but I love it.
Cause it's cool.
I'm very scared of, Oh, and you are using
the hammer to like figure out where to go.
Oh my God.
I was, I was terrified.
And Angela was breathing too loud.
I was so scared.
Ben: That was so scary, like, that
was terrifying that, like, she's just
responding to any noise with smash
everything in sight, like, smash
everything at arm's length.
Emily: Yeah, it seemed very,
like, 28 days later to me.
Like, it was, it had some good, and,
you know, there is something to be said
about, like, what if there was a guy
who thought that the virus was, like,
a demon possession, and so he was doing
experiments because it was the same sort
of thing, and he was like, oh, it's demon.
Like, I was, that's a cool idea.
They didn't really, like, commit
to it, but at the very end of the
movie, I was, distracted like them.
I was like, wait a minute, hold
up, this movie has been one way,
and now I'm like, what the f
there's a girl in a wedding dress?
What the fuck?
Like, is and they have, like, a reel
to reel, like, nobody in this movie has
ever seen Evil Dead, apparently, because
that, once that reel to reel comes
out, you do not want to fuck around.
Um, at least they didn't
throw, like, what's this book?
It's got weird leather.
Jeremy: Let's read it out loud.
Emmanuel: Yeah.
Ben: a face on it?
I
Emmanuel: Yeah.
Watching this made me think of Barbarian,
which I don't know if any of y'all
Jamila: Oh, I
Emmanuel: year,
Jamila: so
Emmanuel: like, it's like Barbarian
but up instead of down, like,
Emily: Yeah.
Emmanuel: you get upstairs and
Jamila: Yes.
Emily: I wish
I wish
Jamila: lady,
Emily: the Barbarian Creature was more
like, like was less defined, like the
Barbarian Creature, like Barbarian
I, I watched that movie at theater
with my friend and I,
Jamila: I love it The tape measure.
Emmanuel: But, Justin Long
is great at it.
Jamila: Perfection.
Ben: Long's character was supposed
to be based off of Max Landis.
Jeremy: uh, yeah, that
makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, I, you know, that's, this
movie is very much like the
first half of Barbarian.
Like,
if it just ended where they cut
to Justin Long, then like, you
Jamila: so great.
Jeremy: sort of thing.
Jamila: Just him as an actor
appearing in that movie is like, what?
been?
I'm happy
to see you, but
Emmanuel: I mean, he's a scream queen.
Emily: he is kind of a scream queen.
That's true.
Jamila: It was like a nice surprise.
It was, it felt like,
what, three movies in one?
And it felt like it worked so well.
Oh, there's so much gross.
Ben: Shows up, it's like,
Justin Long of Die Hard 4 fame?
Jamila: Oh my
Emmanuel: Yeah!
He was the hacker guy.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: Timothy Olyphant was the villain!
And when they asked why, Timothy Olyphant,
Why were you in all these bad movies?
He literally said, I bought a
house and Deadwood got cancelled.
Emily: Yeah,
Jamila: Well, there you
Emily: mean,
Emmanuel: It's the Nicolas Cage
problem, like, I'd have to make
more movies to pay for my expenses.
Jamila: Then we'll get Mandy every
Emily: and you know, have fun with it.
Yeah,
Jamila: fine.
Emily: still have to do Mandy.
I,
Emmanuel: Mandy was good.
Mom and Dad was also good.
Jamila: Oh, it is.
It is.
was, yeah, that was
Ben: That's the one with um, uh,
what's her name from Hellboy?
Emily: what
mom and
dad?
Emmanuel: it's the parents, it's
the movie where parents get the
rage virus but only for their kids.
Ben: Yes.
Emily: I haven't seen that one yet.
Ben: That's a really fun one
that we absolutely need to cover.
Jamila: Selma Blair?
Is that?
Yes, there we go.
Oh yeah, that was great.
I had no idea what the movie was going
to be about and it was a great ride.
Emmanuel: I love any movie where
they let Nick Cage go full Nick Cage.
Emily: Oh, absolutely.
Jamila: Oh,
it's so
Jeremy: do a whole month
of Nick Cage stuff in
Ben: We should do a
Emily: Absolutely.
Why are we
Jamila: so great.
Emily: Well, there's reasons why
we're doing that right now, but you
know, Nick.
Jamila: outer
Ben: We're covering crazy
terrifying Spanish horror movies.
All right.
y'all, did y'all fucking like, get
startled out of your seats a little
bit when that fucking fireman,
when that body hit the floor,
Jamila: Oh,
Emily: Alex.
He was so cute too.
I was so sad when he died.
I saw him and I'm like, he's dying.
He's too cute to
live in this
Emmanuel: Alex shirtless,
I'm like, he's gonna die,
like,
Emily: Yeah.
Emmanuel: no,
Emily: Yeah.
Emmanuel: this isn't
getting consummated, like,
Jamila: Too, too pretty to live.
Jeremy: I will say on the, on the
ACAB front though, this movie was very
much like the police fucking suck.
Firemen are cool though.
Like,
Jamila: Yeah.
Ben: hundred
Emmanuel: Nerds, Fireman
will snap a zombie for you,
like a Slim Jim.
Emily: Absolutely.
God bless
Jamila: I like that.
Emily: He especially here
in California where I'm
Jamila: Yeah.
Oh gosh.
yeah,
We fuck
with firemen, police.
Jeremy: There's several points in
the movie where the, the surviving
cop is like, all right, everybody
fucking listen to what I say.
And we're going to do
exactly what we want to do.
Fuck you.
I hate you.
Whatever.
And the cop, the fireman
is like, whoa, chill.
We're all going to do this thing together.
It's going to be all right.
Jamila: Oh my, he was
like very stereotypical.
I'm the boss and I'm going to be annoying.
What I loved was when
he was getting bitten.
Was it the girl?
I don't know who it was, but he was
still trying to get Pablo to stop
filming and he's like getting like
Eaton his face and he's like, no, no.
And I'm like, you are dedicated
to shutting this camera down.
Emmanuel: If someone were tearing
off my good side, I would want
them to stop filming Alpha.
Emily: Yeah,
Jamila: to die, my guy.
Like, it doesn't matter.
Apollo's like, I'm listening to nobody.
Emily: yeah, Pablo Pablo was
like, I'm going to go up these
stairs where there are zombies.
Like, I'm going to continue
to shoot all of this.
Like, this is another thing is I could
never be a journalist because I know
with real emergency scene journalism.
You got to stay on the camera and
I'm like, I couldn't, like, I give
somebody a hammer or something.
He's like, kick something.
Ben: Oh, well yeah, at what, at
what point do you start using
the camera as a melee weapon?
Emmanuel: seconds in, final answer.
Emily: yeah,
Ben: Yes.
Emmanuel: Oh, is that a zombie?
Emily: Yeah, like a camera that if he
was where he had 1 of those TV cameras
and certainly the battery pack on
that thing must have been like, hefty.
Jeremy: Yeah, given
the way he's filming, I
Ben: He went up so much stairs.
How much gear did he have
while going up those stairs?
Emily: Yeah, I mean he had the
camera,
Ben: Pablo.
Ugh.
Emily: The camera definitely had a
main mic I don't know if it was attached
because it seemed like whenever the
sound cut out, it was like, it may
have gotten loose, so we heard some
of the sound, but not all of it.
It had a spotlight on it
that was an attachment.
Yeah, had night vision, which
like, a lot of cameras do, but,
Ben: That's an expensive camera.
Jamila: For that kind of show.
Well, I guess if it's dark,
like it's a nighttime show.
I
wonder how many viewers there are
for that show.
Emily: yeah, it's
Jeremy: you gotta, you gotta love that the
scariest people in this movie are an old
lady and a little girl, though, like that.
That little girl, like, they've been
playing it sort of through the whole
movie of like, Oh, you know, the husband
went out for, uh, you know, medicine.
Oh no, she's just got an
ear infection or whatever.
Yeah, she had tonsillitis.
She's fine.
And she keeps talking, like, they
bring up the dog is it the vet?
And like, it's, they just
sort of plant these clues.
And of course, of course, the
racist slimy dude is like, oh,
it's definitely the Chinese.
Brought some kind of thing, which God
that's that's seeing forward a few years.
Ben: He jumps to that immediately.
Emmanuel: I was gonna say that, that's
another thing in modern context that, oof.
Emily: Oh, yeah.
Jesus.
Ben: Big Oof.
Big Oof on that
Emily: Ufa.
Ufa.
because I, at first I was really
like, it was cool to see, that they
actually had like a diverse set of
people living at the apartment complex.
Like, I thought that was cool.
Um, I'm still not sure, like, where the
representation
Ben: one girl is Colombian, but I don't...
not
Emily: is in Columbia.
But, yeah,
Jeremy: the one that comes
Jamila: Yeah.
Jeremy: out with a chunk bitten
out of her in the old lady's
apartment
Emily: when they shoot, it's cool.
Yeah.
Jeremy: early on
Emily: I will say this movie has a
remarkable, is the word I'm going
to use number of zombie panty shots.
Ben: Okay, but old lady zombie panty
shots?
Jamila: not in a sexy way.
It
Ben: not sex.
These are not objectified zombies.
These are just like...
Old ladies wear panties.
What do you want from us?
Jeremy: This
Emmanuel: They're just Donald
Jamila: woman.
Emmanuel: apocalypse.
Ben: Yeah,
Jamila: Yeah,
Jeremy: an extremely good job of like this
was a normal night and shit went bad all
of a sudden like everybody's just Sort
Ben: I will say if
I have to be a zombie, like if I have to
go through the zombie apocalypse in one
outfit, I think I want to Winnie the Poht.
Emily: would definitely
Ben: just being chased by a zombie nude.
From the waist down.
Waist up, oversized Ghostbusters t-shirt.
No,
Emily: I mean, I could, I think
I would rather my nethers be
girded than my, uh, I mean.
Ben: no, I'm gonna eat so well as
a zombie, survivors are gonna take
one look at me and go like, What
the f I'm sorry, what in the fuck?
And in those precious
seconds, I'mma get him.
Emmanuel: Oh, so your plan is to get God.
My plan is
to get away.
I'm like, I need like support and like,
Emily: Yeah,
Ben: No, this is me being like,
well, I didn't want to get bit, but
I have, so, Time to start planning
for my new life as a zombie.
Emily: if I'm gonna be, if I get
bit, I'm gonna fucking go all
out.
I'll fucking do my
Jeremy: the apartment and
getting all the knives and forks.
Like,
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: I'm gonna need
this in a little bit.
Emily: Yeah, I'm gonna get a
Jamila: my god.
Emily: bit.
Emmanuel: tape this hot sauce to my hand.
So,
Jamila: Oh my, yo, that has to be
in a zombie movie, like a comedy.
That would be so, like,
oh, this doesn't taste good.
Ben: have a hot pot?
What the
fuck?
Emily: Yeah, there's a fucking Tabasco arm
Jamila: That would be great.
Jeremy: Hit him with the soy sauce.
Yeah, I, I gotta say, I was impressed
Angela survived so long running around
with like, no sleeves, like completely.
You
know,
Emily: hot in there.
Jeremy: she's, she's wearing half
of a shirt and pants and is like,
well, this is not, that's not a great
choice for being in a zombie movie.
But
if I were her, I would have gotten
in somebody's apartment and be like,
I need a motorcycle jacket, right?
Ben: yeah, you definitely want like a
real thick leather jacket and stuff.
Oh yeah, 100%.
You want you definitely want something
that like, you want something on your
forearm that's like tanking a human bite.
Emily: I feel like Manu, I mean,
Manu certainly lasted as long as
he did because he had the gear on.
Jamila: Yeah.
Emily: Um,
Jeremy: And Manny doesn't
mind hitting somebody
Jamila: He
Jeremy: ax
Ben: Man who's got a goddamn
Jamila: it.
Ben: Quinn mallet just
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: faces.
Jamila: was punching, like, not
afraid to just get in there.
Like, you can
get bit, but he just doesn't care.
I was so
Ben: so badass.
Jamila: I was so sad.
I'm
Ben: Well
Emily: else
Ben: When, When, he turned,
I feel like when he, when he was alive,
there was like, okay, there might be
a shot out of this, and as soon as he
turned, I'm like, oh no, they all fucked.
Emily: Yeah.
Emmanuel: You lost your tank,
your party's going down.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: oh yeah.
Jeremy: He gets got off screen too.
The rough part is like,
Jamila: a
Emmanuel: My understanding with
that is they show him kill that
last zombie and his face is covered
in blood and so I guess the theory
is like,
Jamila: about that too.
Emmanuel: mouth or what have you.
Like,
Jamila: I was thinking
Ben: I do love how being turned,
the speed at which you are
turned is very plot relevant.
Like, I know they say like, oh,
it's blood type makes a difference.
The little girl is unzombified
for days, apparently?
Emily: I think,
Ben: seconds.
Emily: yeah, well, she obviously
had, like, AB or something, like.
Jeremy: well, like the little girl didn't
actually get bitten, but it's, it's
passed through saliva, so like, the dog,
the dog is what passed it, because the
dog wasn't, so they kind of hinted at
it, it's, it comes from the apartment,
it came somehow through the dog, and
the dog went nuts at the vet, which
is why they locked the house down.
Ben: It's probably a good thing demon
possession is involved, because that's
honestly like, oh, this is a demon
zombie, is more believable, and this
entirely scientific, biological thing
passed from human, to dog, back to human,
I'm like, that is one fucking hell of
a virus that's pulling off that trick.
Emily: I mean, yeah, and like, it could
still just be a virus like we did, you
know, it's in, in the certain perspective,
certainly it can be like a demon
virus or demon from hell or whatever,
but,
Jamila: mm
Ben: I'm just saying, scientifically,
it's more probable with the demon element.
Thanks for watching!
Emily: yeah,
Ben: to bring in Broadwin.
Broad
Emmanuel: that is a wild sentence.
Like, say that sentence again.
Jamila: hmm.
Emily: it's more probable with the
demon element, is that what they said?
Ben: Yes, that's what I'm saying.
I'm just saying, other than just
being like, I am the greatest virus of
all time, I can transfer to whatever
species I want, whenever I want.
Emily: COVID passed from
bats to humans, so, like,
Ben: that's a one way trip.
But, and then we're
Emmanuel: No,
Ben: after that.
Emmanuel: got it too,
Emily: dogs and cats
could get COVID.
Ben: That's true.
Emily: I don't know if they could give it
to people, but like, yeah, the, I think,
I don't think the dog bit the girl, but
I'm sure, like, the dog just threw the
saliva, like, you know, gave her doggie
kisses and, you know, now, now it's sad.
Now I'm
Jamila: hmm.
At the vet, they said the dog attacked the
other animals, but it didn't say peoples.
I'm like, do they just attack their
Ben: I don't know.
But can we just address that Emily
scenario was one of the saddest fucking
things I've ever heard in my entire life?
That a dog led just like, Did doggy
licks and loved a little girl human
until, like, the dog killed her?
Emily: Indirectly.
Ben: ever heard in my life.
Emily: Yeah.
Why didn't they have that on the
wall instead of, like, weird photos
from, like, demon possession?
Jamila: Oh, and her mom, the
way her mom went out, oof.
Ben: Dog's love killing
a child might be...
Yeah, that might that's the worst fuck!
Emily: That's worse
Ben: That's horrible that's
Emily: The devil.
Ben: That's so much
Jamila: Source of the
devil.
Emily: That's worse than the devil
in my bowels asking for advice.
That's what
Jamila: Oh my god.
Emily: Hey devil, down there, hey, you
know what's, you know what's fucked up?
Dogs killing humans with love.
Ben: A dog's love killing a
child might actually be...
Jeremy: The saddest thing
that's happened on this
podcast.
Emmanuel: We don't get to see
her off camera, maybe she's a
Ben: Fuck!
Emily: Yeah, maybe she
is a terror profile.
Jamila: a bitch.
Jeremy: Yeah,
all children
Ben: That makes you know,
what, I like That That makes That
makes me feel better than that makes me
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: thinking that this
tiny child deserves it.
Emily: Maybe
Jeremy: what I love about this movie?
What are the firefighters names?
Emily: Manu
Jamila: just know my new mom.
Jeremy: What are the
police officers names?
Emmanuel: He's
Ben: officer.
Emmanuel: Hoven,
Jeremy: Yeah, it's, it's Policeman
Young
and
Ben: haven't yet.
Young
Jeremy: their,
Ben: police
Old police who is on screen for
what, all of three or four minutes
before he gets like a big chunk
of most of his face bitten out?
That was so gnarly, the face biting.
Holy shit.
Jeremy: Yeah,
Jamila: That was nasty.
Emmanuel: both cops,
Jamila: Yeah, oh, that was gross.
Emmanuel: the two cops, and the, not
CDC, like the health doctor person,
they keep turning their backs on these
people that they think are infected
and whatnot, and I'm like, and I get,
it's a horror movie, it's intentional,
it's building tension, but I'm
like, are you trying to get bitten?
Emily: Yeah,
Ben: He was so bad.
He was supposed to be, like, the
expert, and it's like, well, whoopsie.
Jamila: They probably were like,
let's not send our best guy
because he might not come out.
We'll need, we'll need
the best ones for later.
Oh gosh.
What I
liked about the, the, zombies was like.
especially when we first see the older
lady, she, it's not the immediate,
let me attack every human I see.
She's just like chilling, being weird.
Then she screams and then she attacks.
And like the little girl, there's a lot
of like pauses and not this immediate,
like, I'm going to attack you kind
of zombie stuff that we're used to,
which may like, it was very, there's
a lot of different things with those.
zombie demons, I don't know, then I
expect from most zombies, which I like.
Emily: there's certainly, like, a
Emmanuel: it's,
Jamila: Yeah.
Yeah.
Ben: And I know you're saying the
Neck Snap doesn't follow, like,
zombie rules, but I liked doing them
and it was just so fucking awesome
Jamila: Oh,
yeah.
Oh, for
Ben: neck that So I was like,
aw shit, I can't survive
when that's
Jamila: cool.
Ben: much coolness.
Jamila: It was really cool.
Emily: fireperson school?
Like, do you learn in fire,
like, when you fight fire?
Jamila: just,
it's
him.
Emmanuel: firefighters.
Emily: Spanish
Jeremy: some, he's got some, like,
Emily: the fire's neck.
Ben: Look, sometimes, yeah, sometimes
you'll be, sometimes you'll find
yourself in a fistfight with
the fire and you gotta break the
Emily: you gotta punch the fire out.
Hell
Jeremy: You get the feeling that's not
the first person Manu's had to kill, like,
Jamila: no, no, no, not at all.
Ben: Look, when, when, when Superman
is saying that, like, the fire, the
emergency workers, the firefighters
are the real heroes, it's Man of
Steel Superman and he's talking
about this moment specifically.
Emily: Manuel, you're gonna say something?
Emmanuel: Oh, no, well, talking about
the, you know, there's these sort of
quiet moments, I think a lot of zombie
movies are over excited and they're like,
Etern, he's coming, he's gonna get you.
Whereas this one is, we all know
what's going to happen, but they wait.
And they wait.
And you're just, you're watching
these people mill about and argue
with each other in the background.
It's like, that person's being weird.
You should turn around.
Maybe now is the time to
pull the gun back out.
And he's like, no, I'm just
going to expose the juicy
part of my nape to this woman.
be a
Emily: Yeah.
Emmanuel: neck, basically.
Emily: Those of you who have cats.
When they were trying to give Jennifer
the zombified Jennifer the needle, did to
Emmanuel: Trying to pill a cat.
Emily: Yeah, it might
Ben: What was
Emmanuel: Yes.
Ben: supposed to do?
Jeremy: I'm guessing it's supposed
to be an anti viral, you know,
Emily: have been a, cause,
Ben: Homer
Emily: uh,
Ben: was the CDC that already
has, like, Spanish CDC that
already has the anti zombie drug.
Emily: Well, I think they have, Yeah,
they think it's an anti zombie, I
don't think it worked because Alex
was up, cause they gave it to Alex.
Jamila: Oh, yeah,
Emily: And then they were
like, oh, and then he got up.
He absolutely got up when the police
officer gave, like, right after
the police officer got up and he was like
Emmanuel: didn't even the rest of
you wonder why, if you've got this
antiviral or whatever, why not put
it in like a tranq gun or something?
Like, why are you all up
trying to do injections
Ben: just hose the building down,
Emily: I, I don't, maybe it's like an
amount, like, you can't get as much of
the tranq in the, tranq gun or whatever.
Maybe it
Emmanuel: Put it in a fireman's
hose and spray them in the face.
Emily: Yeah, I don't know
Ben: because,
Emily: supposed to work.
Ben: because that antiviral is just like
chicken noodle soup and ground up Advil.
Emily: Yeah, that's, they're
like, it's vitamin C.
There's just emergency on them.
Like, I hope,
Jeremy: Pussy!
Emily: please.
Jamila: What is it?
Air?
Airborne is the,
that one.
It works.
Ben: I wonder what it would have been like
if they'd gotten to the basement, like,
would it have turned out that there's
also a completely separate super creepy
conspiracy happening in the basement?
Emily: That's where they
have all of the, uh, vaccine.
The vaccine is all in the basement.
They just went the wrong way.
Emmanuel: Yeah, everything's
chill in the basement.
They barricaded that long ago.
They're like, y'all are obviously
on some other shit upstairs.
Emily: Yeah, this is why
you don't run upstairs.
Well, I mean, if they got to the
frickin if they got to the roof,
like, they were at the penthouse,
so they couldn't, like, if they were
at a penthouse, They were able, I
would assume, to exit the penthouse
Ben: Well, we know there
was an attic above them.
And in that attic was a creepy
Emily: planet.
Yeah,
Ben: who scared the shit out of me
when it just swatted at the camera.
Emily: that was a, um, what was the
movie that we did, the Zoom movie?
Jamila: Oh, was that dead
Ben: Host.
Emily: Host!
Jamila: Oh, that scared me a lot.
Emily: Yeah, yeah.
Jamila: the shit out of
Emily: That was, that was a host moment.
Although, he wasn't, he
didn't have a selfie stick.
He was just, it was him, it
was fully him with the, camera.
Ben: REC 5 is just gonna be Angela
running around with a selfie stick.
Emily: Yeah, there we
Jamila: good.
Jeremy: I was going to ask, uh, looking
at our questions on here, I feel like
this movie did a lot to deal with class,
Emily: Oh, yeah.
Jeremy: you know, mostly is like set
up for, I mean, just the location
and how they get locked in that
the government is willing to turn
Ben: I mean,
Jeremy: like so quickly.
Emily: Mm hmm.
Ben: it seems like this is a building
full of, like, people that are on,
like, the lower end of the economic...
Spectrum.
I mean, these don't seem like, you
know, immigrant families, people
living alone, or limited employment.
But, that doesn't really factor into
the story once zombies just start
Emmanuel: Right.
Jamila: Yeah,
Emmanuel: Even your doctor is
like an intern, not a full MD and
Ben: Also, I think I know part
of the reason that the pre
scientist failed to stop it.
Because at one point on his recording
he says like, This is like the flu.
And, no it's not!
It's
Emily: No,
Ben: not like the flu.
Emily: no.
Unless, like, I didn't see any, like,
genetic, testing equipment in there.
I mean, he had a fucking
reel to reel deck.
Like, not even a
Ben: laboratory
Emily: no,
Jamila: Oh my God, it's disgusting.
Emily: Yeah, he
was
like, thoughts and prayers.
yeah.
yeah.
Jamila: with the...
Ugh,
Emily: It was like the
basement from, uh, Breathe.
Got
Jeremy: He had a lot of different
sizes of crucifixes though, like
Jamila: A whole lot.
Jeremy: with,
Ben: Oof.
Jamila: I don't know
if he thought he was...
that was protecting him, but...
Ben: But, unlike the unlike,
Jamila: so many questions.
Ben: unlike the basement in,
unlike the basement in Don't
Breathe, uh, this penthouse only
made me like the movie even more.
Because I'm
just like, this is dark, it's
mysterious, it's creepy, it's throw me
for a loop, this is just good horror.
Emily: pretty sure there were
no sexual fluids, uh, that were
being distilled in that weird lab.
Jamila: You know, there's that kid.
got questions about that kid,
Emily: Oh, well, that's the thing
is that at first I was like, is
that the kid is the same as the,
like, crazy, like, girl zombie boss?
Like, is it the same creature?
No.
Emmanuel: I don't think
so, because the creature in the
attic looked like a small boy
Ben: Yeah.
Emmanuel: six foot tall woman.
Emily: Yeah.
Jamila: is that, is like
Ben: Oh, that was just
Jamila: baby?
Ben: fucked up shit the
priest had going on.
Emily: Yeah, or it was,
Jamila: part two
.
So many questions.
Jeremy: I don't know.
It seems like part two starts, like,
picks up right from after this movie
and follows a group of, uh, I guess, the
scientists and cops or paramilitary or
whatever they are as they come in and
investigate what the fuck's going on in
this building after they've lost contact
with everybody because they all died.
Ben: Also, the official title of, of,
brackets, dot, rec, end brackets, squared.
Jamila: They're doing
a lot
Ben: the, yes, pronounce the full title.
Emily: There's, but is
there a red circle in
Ben: Yes, there is the red title in
the, there is a red title in the,
in the title.
Emily: red circle outside or, or
inside of the bracket?
Ben: circle is inside the brackets.
Emmanuel: red circle
Emily: bracket,
red circle, R E C, close bracket, squared.
Ben: Yes, that's the official title.
Jamila: Oh, when I
Emily: squared?
Jamila: WA Oh, math.
Emily: Sorry, continue.
Jamila: when I was watching this, I was
thinking, like, how many like, I feel
like everybody who gets possessed in
movies are women, like, I don't remember
seeing a movie where a guy gets possessed.
I feel like
Ben: one movie, One movie
where a guy gets possessed,
kind of, comes in mind.
Uh, oh that's a good, yeah.
the one that certainly
comes to mind for me, and it's,
Jamila: on there.
Ben: oh.
So, I'd say the one example I
have, but this is definitely more
sci fi than religious or horror,
is D'Onofrio in Men in Black.
Emmanuel: Oh yeah,
Emily: mean,
Jamila: Or Event Horizon,
Jeremy: Oh yeah,
Jamila: like, horror, right?
Oh, I love that movie.
Jeremy: space mad is kind
of up for debate, but Yeah.
Sam Neill goes real space man.
Jamila: Oh, I love
Emily: It's same, it's the same.
Like, he was
Jeremy: it might be one, then the other.
Emily: real estate.
Ben: like I said on that episode,
I'm always a fan of the concept that
hell is real and it's an outer space.
Emily: We're in outer space.
Emmanuel: Yeah, you could, that
would be your elevator pitch and
be like, I'm in, let's do it.
Like, how much money do you want?
Emily:
UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Ben: Yeah.
It works for Dune, for Dune, it
works for Doom, it works for Event
Horizon, it works for Dune.
You give me space, hell?
I'm in.
Not like Gravity Spiles, space is
true neutral and it will just kill
you if it's in existence, like, no.
Give me, like, hell that is
actively evil and weird and fucked
up, exists, and it's in space.
Emmanuel: Oh, that planet?
We just don't go there.
Emily: Yeah, like there's
gotta be the Hell Planet.
I mean, if the Mormons are right, there's
gotta be, if you get like, When you,
Jeremy: like that
episode of Doctor Who where they show
up on the asteroid and they're like, oh
yeah, the devil is locked up in here.
Like the literal devil.
He's
Jamila: Doctor Who.
Emily: That's some fucking
original, I know, right?
They're just like, fuck it, whatever.
Fuck it, we ball.
Like,
but,
Jeremy: I think that's
a two parter.
Emily: isn't that, wasn't that an
episode of the animated Star Trek
series where they have a wizard's
duel with the actual real devil?
And
then they like, tell him, but
Emmanuel: a fiddlin duel?
Ben: metal.
Emily: it's not, I'm
pretty sure it wasn't,
Ben: I can definitely see Peter Capaldi,
like, just fuckin shootin lasers out
of a fiddle he's playin to defeat
Jamila: Oh,
Emily: But this was an episode of the,
original series Star Trek animated.
Ben: Fine, I can see...
Emmanuel: a
lot
Jamila: interesting.
Emmanuel: title.
Ben: Hmm.
Emily: well, I'm saying it out of order.
Ben: made an animated Doctor Who show?
Emily: No,
this is
Star
Trek.
Ben: Ohhhh.
Oh, I know about that
Emily: Who's, but they're
Ben: know about that
Emmanuel: who?
Emily: Dr.
Seuss.
Dr.
Seuss?
Oh.
Ben: one.
What about the episode with Giant Spock?
Whose skeleton would later
show up in Lower Decks?
Emily: was that in Doctor
Ben: No.
Emily: in Doctor Who as
Ben: Spock was not, why would Spock be
Emmanuel: This is who's on
first,
Jamila: been around for a long time.
So
Jeremy: Doctor who's on first.
Um, okay, this movie I'm feeling
definitely has something to say about
like social justice and race and racism
and I mean, a lot of it is said by
the guy that you're like, well, that
guy is horrible than going to die.
But you
Ben: Yeah, it was not sad to see
him die because he stood right next
to the door where the zombie was.
Jamila: yeah, it was, it was one of
those things where I'm like, well.
There be racist people
Ben: Yeah.
Jamila: and, and them talking about like,
they leave their door open and their food.
So I'm like, there's so much like
xenophobia with the cultural things
that they do that he doesn't like.
And so he's been making up a
lot of, he's been talking a lot
of shit before this, I'm sure.
But he got it blank.
Emily: yeah, he was,
Jamila: that was nasty.
Emily: He was clearly reprehensible
like that character was was
Ben: oh yeah,
Emily: the worst.
Ben: speaking of characters who aren't
necessarily the greatest people, I, this
is my segue into the feminism talk and
Angela, because while she is our main
protagonist, she spends the first movie.
Just being a ghoul of a person,
like, before she realizes how fucked
things are, she seems downright,
like, that there are dead bodies.
Jamila: yes,
Ben: she is so happy that there's,
like, gore to film, and then she
spends the second half just screaming.
Emmanuel: Right.
Jamila: still a
Emily: really bad.
Jamila: did you get this?
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: then, yeah.
Emily: And her inter she's
trying to interview Jennifer,
who's
Ben: Oh my god.
Oh, when she's interviewing, when
she's interviewing the little
kid, and the mom goes to answer,
and then she goes like, No, mom.
Emily: Yeah, she
Ben: Not you.
You don't talk yet.
interviewing her.
Jamila: God.
No, she's trying to get this
sympathy angle, asking questions
where the answer is just yes.
Like that's why you have this late
night show that nobody watches.
Ben: Oh, that one bit where they're
going up the stairs, and she just
kind of pretends that she got bit?
For, I don't know, attention?
Emily: I think she just thought she
was bit because like, her arm hurt.
Yeah, like, I don't know if she pretends
she got bit, but I mean, she's not, like,
again, she's not like, a model citizen.
Like,
she's not a model.
Emmanuel: When it feels to me like she
has this, not unimportant show, but
it's not the show she wants to be making
as a journalist, and then she realizes
she actually has a scoop and this could
mean career advancement or what have
you, not realizing how much of an awful
catastrophe, these are real people, you
should probably be empathetic or helpful.
Ben: Look, there is a, look, we
are introduced to Angela as...
A career driven young reporter woman
unsatisfied with her current lot in life.
There is a version of this movie where
that is the setup to a romantic comedy.
Unfortunately for Angela, she's
not in that version of this movie.
There is a
version, there is a version where this
is reporter, like, you know, Type A
reporter meets down to earth fireman.
And they fall in love
Jeremy: I mean, she's definitely in at
least one Hallmark movie where, like,
she goes to interview somebody about,
uh, like, operating the Christmas store
or whatever, you know, and then she
falls in love with him about, about
Christmas, falls in love about Christmas.
Yeah, I really like her.
I like that we get this transition of her
from, like, unsatisfied, hoping something
will happen to sort of, like, ghoulishly
excited to then, like, Legitimately
being like no, this is important.
We have to like film this
because otherwise nobody's
gonna know what happened.
The government's just gonna cover this up.
To being like, fuck, we're gonna die.
Like, we gotta, we gotta do something.
We gotta get out of here.
Emily: no, but I, I agree, Jamila, like, I
feel like the, I like that the fact that,
you know, we can support women's wrongs in
this case, like, she's not
a horrible, horrible person.
She's just like
making
some bad
Ben: she's regular horrible.
She is, She is, the horrible, She is
the horrible that exists in every office
in a, like, that you've ever worked in.
Jamila: It's like a realistic, horrible,
not like very extreme and not believable.
I felt like a lot of the things
that happened were very believable.
Like even when they go into the apartment
and like all the neighbors are downstairs,
of course there's nosy neighbors.
Like everybody's going to
want to know what's going on.
Um, I liked that because.
Who's not gonna do that?
And you can see all the different types
of characters, like, oh, there goes the
old couple, there's mom with the kid,
there's, yeah, so, that was, there's a lot
of tropes, but it, it worked, like it, it
wasn't like, ugh, that didn't really land.
Um, yeah, I like the old
couple bickering, they were
Emily: yeah, the old couple bickering.
And like, I did love how,
I mean, they were so good.
Like, they were so, like, they felt
like real people and they didn't feel
like they were, like, angry bickering,
but, you know, they were, it was like,
they're just being together for that long.
And just the, you could see
their relationship there.
I'm sad that they'd be, I hope they're
like the zombies, like the love zombies.
In the various movies where
the zombies fall in love, like,
Emmanuel: the Christmas one?
Emily: uh, The Annie and the Apocalypse.
Emmanuel: Yeah!
Emily: Yeah, and I think there
Ben: Do we classify,
Emily: in Wild Zero as well.
Oh,
Ben: do we classify the movie where
the little kid finds all, like, the
naked Santas and turns them into,
like, A commodity to sell to malls?
Jamila: What is this?
Ben: movie?
Jamila: I've
Jeremy: Uh, you're talking about, uh, Rare
Exports.
Emmanuel: rich quick scheme?
Emily: rare
exports!
Jamila: Rare, I need to see this.
Ben: That's a wild one!
Emily: That was a, like,
you
Jamila: Christmas tale.
Oh my
Jeremy: They end up being,
what, Krampus elves, basically?
Emily: Yeah, there were Krampus's
little Binions, but they were all like
weird old Danish guys running through
the snow and like, I mean, don't
know what's more Danish than that,
Jamila: This 89.
Oh, rotten Tomatoes.
Okay.
For a who?
Wow.
Oh my goodness.
Jeremy: a, it's a wild film.
Emily: there's a lot of
old man dong in that movie,
Jeremy: Yeah.
Emily: Ding Dong, Bells of Christmas.
Jeremy: Yes, there's a lot of,
there's a lot of naked old man
penis in that movie for what is
essentially, what is eventually
a Christmas
story.
Ben: is.
There sure is.
Jamila: Wow.
Jeremy: I was gonna ask about LGBTQI
representation, but I think the only
potential representation there is, uh,
old Cesar, who's just the fucking worst.
Jamila: Mm-hmm.
Ben: worst.
worst.
Jamila: looking guy.
Like
Emily: Yeah.
Headcanon, and Manny were a couple.
Yeah.
Ben: nothing in the movie to actually
support that, so don't watch this movie
if you're seeking representation, but I'll
go with you there, Emily.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: To
Emily: Yeah.
I mean, go
Emmanuel: Sometimes cute firemen
kiss, like, we just have to accept
Jamila: Oh,
Ben: true op Oh, I was thinking, you gotta
write just the absolute heartbreak scene
of Manu standing outside the apartment,
being bit, knowing he's gonna turn, just
thinking about his heartbreak of Alex,
as,
Emily: have a love zombie experience.
Ben: what, like, the end of Anna
and the Apocalypse, where the two
teenagers who are in love are still
holding hands, even as zombies?
Emily: Yeah,
Jeremy: Yeah, we, I mean,
we don't know who bit Manu.
You know, how exactly he got turned.
Maybe Alex bit him.
He just couldn't hammer Alex in the
head with his fire mallet, which
I guess is a thing, a fire mallet.
Emily: It's a sledgehammer.
That's
what
Emmanuel: just bonk the fire on the head
Emily: Yeah, that's when you
Jamila: that's how you put
them
out.
Jeremy: out of that fire.
Emily: Yeah,
Jamila: The most effective way,
Emily: in
Jamila: a blanket or water.
Emily: Bartholomew.
The Spanish, they just hit, the
Spanish mallets just hit different.
There we go.
Jamila: Hey, that's good.
Oh, what I liked too in the
beginning was like, all these
people thinking of these things that
we know are not going to matter.
Like the mom, she's
like, I'm going to sue.
I'm going to sue the
fuck out of this place.
And I'm like, ma'am, your girl
does not have tonsillitis.
Like, you know, this is like, you
got other things to worry about.
Emily: Yeah.
Jamila: gosh.
Emmanuel: And also, like, if we're doing
headcanons, I like the idea that the
dad who's just stepped out is the only
one with genre awareness who's like, I
am not sticking around this apartment.
Emily: Oh yeah, he knew.
Emmanuel: She
is clearly about to turn,
I'm getting out, like,
Jeremy: He got a call from the vet just
after he walked out and he was like,
Oh,
Emily: Yes.
Jamila: gosh.
Emily: Oh, the dog is a zombie.
Well,
Jeremy: And that vet is a narc.
He did not call the, he
did not call the house.
Jamila: He
didn't tell the family.
yeah, that's weird.
Jeremy: That vet was like,
Emily: vet.
Jeremy: that was like, do I call
the people to let them know their
dog is both a zombie and dead?
Or do I just call the
government to be
Ben: zombified the other dogs!
Jamila: Poor girl
Emmanuel: He went to a big farm
where he can run around all day.
Emily: Yeah, he went to
Jamila: Mm.
Emily: farm upstate.
Jamila: When, when they find out too,
and it's like the mom and daughter
just all by themselves standing.
They're like, no, tonsillitis.
And the girl looks worse.
I'm like, oh, she is,
Emmanuel: The girl's lips
Jamila: This is,
Emmanuel: chapped in the meantime,
Jamila: I,
Emmanuel: is like crusty,
Jamila: is so
nasty.
And then she bites her
face.
It just seems so funny to me.
'cause of the timing, like.
died laughing because
she's this little girl.
She's not that scary, but she's like the
little scream and I'm right up the stairs.
I'm like,
Jeremy: And I can only figure from the
amount of blood that she must have vomited
blood on the mom while she was doing
this and Yeah, that little girl is
great And like they do a lot of little
tricks with the sound to like make you
go in and out but then there's like the
sounds that the zombies make in this are
Frightening.
Emmanuel: Yes.
Emily: animal sounds.
Jamila: weird.
Yeah.
Emily: Yeah.
Like they're actual
like real animal sounds.
Jeremy: Yeah, like all the zombies
like scream before they attack people.
But that, uh, like the creepy thing
in the apartment just like has this
like banshee whale that's just like,
Oh my God, what the fuck is that?
That's because they keep
hearing it from upstairs too.
They're like, oh shit, hold on,
Jamila: I really liked their scream.
Like, I mean, they're yelling
all the time, but I'm like, Oh,
that sounds weird and different.
Like, and I think they were all
different screams, which is like, Oh,
they got their little personality.
They're still themselves.
Oh my
Jeremy: Yeah, that old lady, um, Mrs,
uh, Izquierdo, I think is her last name.
The scream she does before
she comes down that, that line
at the at the police officer.
I was like, damn.
I don't think she would
have made it to me.
I would have been out the door as soon
as I, as soon as she made that noise.
Jamila: They were very, like, they
were very trusting with these people.
The girl that just attacked
her mom, like, guy, why?
Why would you do this?
Like, just lock her in a room and go.
And the old lady, I'm like,
she's covered in blood.
I don't, maybe that's not
sanitary, like, I don't know.
Emily: there's so much blood
being expelled in zombie movies.
I'm always like, just wear
it, like, wear a mask.
If you're gonna be killing zombies,
at least wear a mask, because like,
if they're gonna bite you, if it's
through saliva, I'm sure blood
is worse.
Jamila: it's getting
in your mouth and nose.
It's like
Emmanuel: No.
As a teacher, we have to do Bloodborne
Pathogens training every year without
fail and it's like, wear a mask,
wear gloves, cover your eyes,
even if it's just a little thing.
Some kids squirt, you don't
want it, like just cover, like,
Jamila: Oh
Emily: yeah,
Emmanuel: don't want to be in a
zombie apocalypse because I was
too cool for a mask or whatever,
Jamila: my god.
Jeremy: watches wrestling here, but
like, When it, when you can tell,
like, occasionally a match in a e
w, like they'll bring people out and
there'll be a shot of the ref, and
the ref is wearing gloves already.
And it's like, well,
somebody is fixing to bleed
.
Like, you just, just put gloves on.
Huh?
All right.
Emily: I mean, that's what I,
I only teach one day a week.
And when I do, and when I do, I
absolutely wear a mask every time.
Like, I'll, I won't wear a mask at
Taekwondo anymore, I'm fine with that,
even though there are, you know, there
are kids there, but like, when I'm in a
small room, with a bunch of kids, and they
don't have masks on,
Jamila: all the time.
Emily: God, like, that's the thing, is
that that girl with tonsillitis, like,
with her, like, weird chapped lips and
everything, like, I've seen kids sick,
they could all, like, just stare and
then bite, like, not even with zombie
virus, they could they'll bite anyway.
Jamila: Oh my gosh.
Jeremy: Oh, yeah.
I mean, I, you know, I, I gotta
give props this last weekend.
I I mean, actually not this past weekend,
but the weekend before I, I did, uh, my
little pony show up in, uh, Seattle, and,
uh, they hadn't masks, like masks were
mandatory inside the vendor hall, and, um,
you know, panels and stuff they weren't,
but in the vendor hall it's like you had
to have a mask on the whole time, and I
was like, hey, somebody's still doing it!
Emily: Yeah,
Jeremy: I
Emily: I'm still doing it.
I can't not like,
Jamila: I'm like,
Jeremy: like having a little
backup from the, you know, the
facility or the event or something.
Jamila: there's all these people
Emily: speaking of, um, of health
health and wellness when we talk
about our, uh, our depiction of
mental illness and things like
that, I don't know, like, there are, I
feel like there could be something to
be analyzed about the old woman, um,
who is the first zombie is like kind
of going crazy and stuff like that.
But I feel like the old couple that's
there kind of balance that out.
But I do think that, you know, I think
especially if some folks have dealt with,
um.
The, like, relatives with
extreme dimension and
stuff like that, that's something that
you might want to
be aware
in the movie.
I'm not going to hold it against the
movie because just, it was just so weird.
Jamila: Mm hmm.
It's one of those things
that they do often.
I like in movies with older folks is
like, Oh, it's dementia, Alzheimer's.
And then it's like, No,
it's something evil.
Um, yeah, but yeah, but I think
because they have the other
couple that like balances it out.
At least it's not she's the only one.
Emily: yeah,
Jamila: yeah, that's definitely true.
Emily: And the, the other older
couple are very, very canny.
Like, they're, they, we don't see them
turn into zombies, thank goodness.
Jamila: I know.
I'm so glad.
Oh, and then the there was the
father of the Asian family's dad
was in the room in their apartment.
Emmanuel: I assumed he was already
infected though because they
kept saying he was laying down and he's
Emily: sick in bed.
Yeah.
Jamila: okay.
Ben: take a second to see,
like, zombie old man show up.
But, uh, we didn't count him.
Emily: see
him.
Ben: Yeah.
Emily: Is he a bonus feature?
Jamila: Bonus feature.
Emmanuel: I'm just,
Jamila: Oh gosh.
Emily: his zombie virus
made him age backwards.
Maybe that was why he was
Ben: Yeah.
Emily: had Benjamin Button disease.
Ben: He
Jamila: my gosh.
Ben: Buttons, oh no!
Emily: I mean,
Emmanuel: Every year they get faster.
Jamila: Oh, that's, good.
Uh, one thing I expected, uh, when I
first watched this, when she, when it,
what is her name Angela, when she goes
into the, like, mess hall with all those
firefighters, like, that is a long table.
I was like, wow, like, there's this
one woman and a whole bunch of guys,
is this gonna be some sexism stuff?
And it was like, no, they're all
playing basketball, and like,
it's just super chill, like, okay.
Emily: Yeah.
Jamila: that, I'm glad.
Ben: Oh, the firefighters
were fucking great, though.
They were all, they were all chill dudes.
Emmanuel: On the heels of
that, go ahead,
I don't know, just she tries to
talk to the women at the desk and
they want nothing to do with it.
They don't talk to her.
They just walk off camera.
And in my like notes, I just have
like, does this pass the Bechdel test?
And just cause they're
just like, Oh, you want it?
No, I don't know.
Thank you.
Jamila: The screaming at the,
like, the zombie at the end, the
lady at the end, and all this.
Emily: Yeah I don't think,
actually I think it does pass
the Bechdel test because the
Jeremy: Angela talks to everybody.
Jamila: The mom, yeah,
Emmanuel: Mom
and Jennifer and.
Jamila: who wants to sue
Emily: yeah,
Emmanuel: that moment, prior to
seeing all those characters, I
was like, Hmm, that's interesting.
Emily: The, yeah, the
firefighters were very chill.
Um, and again, like, I think that there's
a lot of depiction there, you know, the,
the women's wrongs and then, like, the
kind of neutral depiction, you know, they
didn't really have to deal with sexism.
That counterbalanced the excessive
amount of panty shots that, like,
again, it's like zombie panty shots.
The the Japanese wife, apparently she's
Japanese wife, the Chinese husband.
which sometimes I'm not sure if
that's because I see I've seen
conflicting reports in some of the, uh,
Ben: I think it's just be, yeah,
I think it's just coming for,
I think they're just going with
whatever nationality the casting is.
Emmanuel: I thought they were
a Japanese family, but it was,
what's his name, assuming they were
Jamila: Yeah, he was like,
he's like, I don't know.
I was like,
Emily: because on the, on the Wikipedia
it says he's Chinese and then
in IMDb, it says he's Japanese.
Ben: Well, I think it's just they
went with it seems like, you know,
the, uh, the actor's, uh, the woman's
name seems, uh, very Japanese and
the man's name seems very Chinese.
So,
Emily: and apparently she was
speaking Japanese at some point.
And, of course,
the, the.
Ben: Goto and Chen Min Kao.
Emily: Yeah.
And the, uh, the racist old man
was assuming Chinese, like a lot of
people, whenever they see an Asian,
you know, like a lot of white old men
Jeremy: Yeah, at one point he says
Chinese, and then later he says Japanese,
or Chinese, or whatever, it doesn't
matter,
Jamila: yeah, he doesn't care.
Ben: Oh, also, one last, uh,
Jamila: like.
Ben: one last, actor or performer I
want to point out is Javier Botet, who
is, uh, the, Monster, he was, you know,
the long limbed monster in this movie.
He was also the title character in Mama.
Uh, he was Slender Man when they
made that Slender Man movie.
And most recently was Dracula
in Last Voyage of the Demeter.
Emily: Oh, wow.
Jamila: haven't, I want to
see that.
Oh,
Ben: Yeah, you're right, he is, he
is the Spanish Doug Jones.
Jamila: that
Ben: Not to be confused with
Doug Jones who was sometimes
also the Spanish Doug Jones.
Jamila: Oh, he's in Conjuring 2.
Oh, he's in everything.
Ben: he's in
Emmanuel: This guy rules.
Jamila: Oh, that's so cool.
wow.
okay, that'll work.
Jeremy: You think when Doug Jones
did, like, Guillermo del Toro movies
in Spanish, this guy was like, Gah!
Doug Jones!
Emmanuel: only thing
Emily: Yeah,
Emmanuel: us was the Atlantic.
Emily: yeah, that's
Jamila: ha ha ha ha ha!
Ha!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Oh my gosh, that's cool.
Jeremy: Yeah,
Jamila: Wow, six feet seven.
Yeah, he is.
That is tall.
Emily: Oh, he kind of, yeah.
it's
Jeremy: I guess the, uh, only other
real question left on my questions
here is, uh, would you all recommend
people check this movie out?
Ben: If you're a horror fan,
fuck yeah.
If you don't like horror movies,
you're gonna have a bad, scary time.
Emily: Yeah.
It's, it is one of the better,
straightforward, found footage
horror movies
Ben: Agreed.
it's it's just a damn
good, frightening time.
I had a lot of fun watching this
Jamila: Yeah.
Emmanuel: Jeremy said, it
doesn't waste your time.
It's just, it's a
tight 78 minutes.
Like, you
Ben: Yeah, it's an it's an hour twenty.
You can bang it out, it's
Jamila: Yeah.
That's like watching a
long episode of a show.
I,
Jeremy: say, it's an
Ben: you've watched yeah.
like, you've watched Stranger
Things episodes longer
than this
Emmanuel: it's, it's better than two
Jamila: I'm getting me started.
It
annoys me so much.
Um, I would say the shaking was a lot
like it was, I think because most recently
a lot of the found footage movies I've
seen have not had a lot of shaking.
They're more like documentary style.
And so this is like, Oh,
I forgot this happened.
So sometimes, like, because I get
migraines, I was like, I gotta
look away because it's too much.
So it's like, be aware that
happens, but it's good.
I think it's like, if you start to see
the shaking, you're like, you know what?
I can't handle this.
Then turn it off.
At least there's no flashing lights.
That's the, I'm just, I get
so mad when movies do that
because it's so unnecessary.
Emily: I mean it does
get, it does get a little
Jamila: are you doing this?
Emily: but yeah, gets a little,
Jamila: this one was fine, but like,
uh, what was the theme of this, of The
Invincibles 2, or the, the most late,
the latest one where they had to have the
seizure warning, do you remember that?
Emily: I haven't
Ben: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jamila: Yeah, that scene was
wild and completely unnecessary.
I'm like, what are you trying to do?
So anyway, yeah, I like it a lot though.
It's one of my favorite found
footage and I watch a lot.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: Yeah, and it's on the realistic
end of the found footage stuff because I
feel like there's a lot of, like you're
saying, there's a lot of found footage
stuff that's done either like it's a
documentary or that's done like it's, you
know, they just cut whenever they want
to make things as smooth as possible.
But this is really like, you know,
they do some cuts to skip through
time a little bit, but for the most
part it's like you're right there with
them the whole time and it, it really.
Comes together really solid, I think.
Jamila: Yeah,
Emily: It feels genuine.
Jamila: it does.
Emmanuel: Say, they lampshade a lot of
the cuts with a, hey, stop recording
for an hour, this, that, and the
Jamila: Yeah,
Emmanuel: an inexplicable
Jamila: yeah, it feels, I think
that's why I liked it so much.
It feels very realistic and everybody
seems like a regular person that they
just happen to like film this trapped
in an apartment kind of building yeah,
I think it didn't seem very like,
although there are a lot of trope things
going on, the characters seem still
very authentic, even if they kind of
represented these sort of Specific kind
of characters, like when I see them,
saw them in the beginning, I'm like,
Oh, this looks like a cast of like clue,
like everybody has a very specific look.
Like you can kind of tell how
they're going to act, but it works.
Which I think is hard to achieve.
Emily: Yeah.
For sure.
Jeremy: Especially with like, a lot
of people introduced all at once.
they, they make everybody distinct
looking enough that you're, you're
never like, Wait, was that this
guy or was that the other guy?
Which is, is
Jamila: Yeah.
Jeremy: go down quick in this movie.
Um, because there's, you know, they've
been getting picked off one at a
time for a while, but that sequence
where like, they go back up to the
doctor to the old woman's house.
And like, shit goes bad in there, and
then they go to run downstairs, and
everybody else is running upstairs, cause
the zombies are breaking out of the,
other room, and it's like, it's like,
oh, wait, did we lose everybody just
Jamila: Yeah, everything's going on.
It's not just when we're.
The camera, like, as an audience,
we're watching what's happening
on camera, like, stuff's going
on downstairs, um, which I liked.
I love Manu, and I was like, oh, I wish
we, like, saw him a little bit more, but
I kind of like that it's just happened
off screen, like, part of me is like,
I want more, but, like, as a story,
as a storytelling thing, I'm like,
that's cool, we don't always get that.
Jeremy: I I think it's, I think it's
really solid, because he's like,
he's the pillar for them, right?
Like, he's the one that's been holding
it all together the whole time, and he's
just like, hey guys, you go in and get
this thing, I'll watch the door, and like,
Jamila: Yeah.
Oh
Jeremy: in and have this whole
adventure of ransacking this
apartment and getting the
keys, and when they run
back out, he's gone.
And,
you know, they're like, where is he?
And they look down the stairs, and
fucking there he is, and he's a
Jamila: And all these other
Jeremy: ah, that spiral staircase shot
looking down in that section is so good.
Jamila: good.
That was scary.
And she had all those keys.
And she got, she found the
one like really quickly.
It was a whole lot of
Ben: There were so many keys.
There's, if that's me, there's no way
I'm finding the key before I'm eating.
Jeremy: Well,
that one just had some sort
of creepy crucifix key, you
Jamila: Oh yeah, of course,
Emily: yeah.
Jamila: And it's like blood on it already.
Jeremy: So it's like, like Resident
Evil and movies like that where you're
like, well, this is clearly the key
that goes to the creepy door, uh,
Emily: Yeah.
Key item.
Um,
Jamila: It's shining a little bit.
Emily: yeah, yeah, it's got like
a little noise when it comes out.
You get a little bit of
your controller vibrates a
little bit.
Jamila: yeah, this
Emily: Uh, yeah,
I don't know anything about apartments
in Bartholona, but there was some weird
shit going on in these apartments.
Like,
Jamila: strange.
Emmanuel: was the factory or
whatever about downstairs?
Emily: was like the workshop
downstairs and then like, the.
the.
Jeremy: apartment building,
Emily: Yeah, but like, okay, the
downstairs, like, I can see there's a
business front and there's a little shop.
Okay, I get that, you know,
it's just a city thing.
But then, like, upstairs, a lot of
the apartments had these weird, like,
Jamila: Yeah,
Emily: maintenance rooms or something, and
then they had, like, the, the gate, the,
like, iron gate that came across, because
Jeremy: Listen, listen San Francisco,
I've seen some, I've seen some
apartment buildings in San Francisco,
and they're no less weird.
I've seen some apartment buildings
with you in San Francisco that
I was like, what is this place?
Why is there gold filigree all over the
entrance to this main street apartment?
Emily: because
Jamila: feel like the building
must have been something else.
And like made like some sort of factory or
something and maybe the people lived there
like because there's all these things at
the on the first floor where I'm like,
why would an apartment building need this?
And it's old.
There's definitely no elevator like that.
That's
Jeremy: Yeah.
Jamila: not built for that.
So, yeah, it was very strange.
I don't know where they
found that building.
Emily: It was, I mean, I can understand,
like, the infrastructure of a building
like that, having, like, spaces behind
each apartment that was, that would be,
like, for access to, like, heating and
cooling and, you know, stuff like that.
But I'm like, I kept thinking,
isn't there a way out from here?
Like there has to be.
Jeremy: a hallway with an iron
gate that you can lock somebody
behind.
Emily: Yeah, that's what I'm
thinking.
Yeah, like that was a weird
and that wasn't a bathroom,
Jamila: Yeah, it was like,
Jeremy: right there.
Jamila: honestly, that seems like
it was used for another horror film.
Like, why
Emily: Yeah,
Jamila: there that area with the gate?
Emily: Maybe he was a doomsday prepper,
but like, he only could do so much.
So he's like, I'm going to install an iron
gate and have this room be reinforced,
even though it's on the second floor.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Jamila: Oh my gosh.
Jeremy: Now I guess, do we have
any, uh, recommendations for folks
if they enjoyed this or, I mean,
even if they didn't and we had
Ben: So, I think if you want to
keep this, uh, super intense zombie
train going, you gotta hit up
either Train to Busan or 28 Days
Jamila: Mm
Emmanuel: Yes, dude.
Jeremy: Movie
Jamila: That's good.
Jeremy: zombie train.
Jamila: Ooh,
Emily: and
Jeremy: Yeah,
Jamila: see.
Emily: Paranormal.
Jamila: I would say for a
funny one one cut of the dead,
which I saw
recently.
Oh, it was
Emmanuel: so good.
Jamila: It's, so I saw like a week
or two ago, and I, uh, obsessed.
It is perfect like the be.
Yeah.
Anyway,
that's
that's a whole nother thing.
.
Emily: Yeah, I
haven't seen that one, but I've been
That's, I've been wanting to watch it, but
I think I've been, I've been waiting for
folks in the, the, someone to choose it.
Jeremy: Yeah,
Jamila: Do you want me to pick
another one so you have it or you
Emmanuel: Uh, you know, I
had like a list of things.
I don't know, I think, have
y'all watched Pontypool at all?
Like...
Ben: have not.
Hmm.
Jeremy: I have
Emmanuel: Pontypool's a weird one.
It's zombies, but...
The transmission of the virus is
unexpected, uh, and it's got some
weirdness there, it's worth your
time but it almost has like a, what's
the movie where the guys like hold
up the radio station or whatever?
Like, a lot of the zombie apocalypse
takes place in like this Yeah, there's,
a lot of this, like, movie takes place
within the context of like a radio
station where a guy is taking calls
and reporting in and whatnot but it's,
it's interesting, especially just from
a zombie movie but done differently,
or zombie movie with a different
premise, I think it's a lot of fun.
Emily: Awesome.
Pontypool, you said?
Emmanuel: Yes!
Jeremy: Yeah, I think for me if you
want the bad version of it, they
literally, uh, made one for you.
It's called Quarantine.
It's the American version of this movie.
it's got
the sister from Dexter in it
Um, yeah, it's not as good as
this, but it's the same story.
Um, if you want something that
feels like this in, in a way, but
has none of the, like, trappings of
the found footage thing, Descent.
Uh, which we've talked
about on here is a genuinely, genuinely
scary movie, uh, that has a lot of the
sort of pace and terror of this one.
The one other thing I want to recommend,
uh, this week is I finally finished,
I've been talking to Ben and Emily
about this game, Death Stranding,
um, this week, which, uh, stars you
as Norman Reedus in the apocalypse.
Uh, where you're basically a postman
who carries packages from a post
apocalyptic city to post apocalyptic city.
And you're, uh, you have to fight
your way through crowds of giant
ghosts who turn into giant Cthulhu
monsters if they touch you.
And the only way to fight them is to throw
grenades full of your own blood at them.
And also
there is rain that makes everything
old, including you if you touch it.
so, it's constant, yeah, it's constantly
degrading all the packages you're trying
to carry, so you can't go slow, but
the only way to not run into the ghosts
and do that is to go slow, so it's just
like a, a tension fueled thing, and
then it's written by Hideo Kojima, so
it has this like, weird, transcendental,
post apocalyptic plot that feels as
much like Neon Genesis Evangelion as
anything without giant robots can.
Um, it's so big and
weird and what the fuck.
like, it's done sort of incredibly well.
It's fascinating to me because
there's lots of, there's combat, but
the combat feels really secondary
to the carrying heavy objects
long distances, which is like.
The main plot of this story is like going
through this wasteland and being the guy
that like takes stuff people need to these
other places and sort of reconnecting
these cities that have been disconnected.
So yeah, it's a big weird horror
thing with a lot of social commentary
and then weird transcendental post
apocalyptic stuff on top of that.
That sounds like your jam.
Check it out.
I, I definitely, when I finished it, uh,
uh, DM'd the group, it was like, this
is the most Emily game I've ever played.
It's got
Emily: I took a screenshot of that.
I'm, I'm accepting that as a
compliment and nothing else.
Like, I know I've heard
a lot of mixed reviews
Jeremy: It's,
Emily: but I,
Jeremy: as well.
He is
Emily: yeah, yeah,
and Guillermo del Toro, and you're
carrying around, like, an Eraserhead
baby too, like, is everything.
Jeremy: Also, Conan O'Brien is in this
Emily: That's right.
That's
Jamila: want all cool people
Emily: Actually, my, my recommendation,
if you want something, just, just is
mostly off of Jeremy's recommendation,
but if you don't have time to play Death
Stranding like me, but you do want to have
the experience of just the wackiness of
Hideo Kojima, just follow his Instagram.
Jamila: my god, where's Twitter?
Emily: I haven't, yeah, like, I haven't
seen the Twitter so much, but I really do
love, like, the out of context pictures
of just him and Nicolas Cage, or him
Jamila: god,
Emily: Keanu Reeves and Sean
Bean, like, hanging out.
Like,
Jamila: you go.
It's like, look at these cool people.
Emily: yeah, and then, like,
Jamila: Look at my food.
Emily: yeah, look at my food.
I have a, look at my shirt,
Jamila: So
regular.
So it's so regular for somebody
who's brain you think is just like
coming up with such wild things.
Emily: it's pure chaos
and I really love it.
So,
Jeremy: That's very much how this game is.
Emily: yeah.
Jamila: Oh one more I would recommend
that's like, it's found footage.
It's in a, so it's Hell House LLC,
which it took me a really long time
to watch because I saw the cover
and I'm like, this looks awful.
Um, and I love it.
Like it, it terrified me.
And the people aren't trapped in the
house, but they're kind of like, forced,
feel forced and pressured to stay in it,
but, and it's part documentary, part,
like, footage from this house, it's these
people who are putting on a haunted house
and it, like, scared the shit out of
me, like, I, like, scream a lot watching
movies too, and I was, yeah, I scream
a lot, so that's, that's a good one.
Came out a while ago, too, like 2015.
Jeremy: While.
Awesome.
Well, while we're on that Camilo,
why don't you let people know where
they can find out more about you
and, uh, follow what you do and, and,
uh, what you have coming out soon.
Jamila: hmm.
Cool.
Um, so, finding me is easy.
It's my name everywhere.
com, all the different socials that exist
now, but yeah, Jamila Rauser, J A M I
L A, R O W S E R, Rauser like Bowser.
And then, um, I also run Black Jose
Press, um, Jose is J O S E I, and,
ooh, I actually have a magazine
coming out soon, and I got a grant
for, and I'm very excited so that
will, The pre order campaign is
coming out in September at some
time.
Um, yeah, sometime.
I'll find out in a week or two,
based off of what I decide.
Um,
Emily: Send us links and then
we can post them with, when we
Jamila: yeah, thank you.
It's called Gladiolus Magazine and
it's a mix of essays, comics guides.
There's a horror guide that
me and my friend put together
and spent a lot of time.
It's like.
80 or 90 movies on the list.
Emmanuel: That's awesome.
Jamila: And it's all from people
of color and from marginalized
backgrounds and sexualities.
It is.
It is amazing.
Like, I'm like, it gags
every time I look at it.
Um, and then there's another comic
that I'm putting out at the same
time that'll be digital called
The Gift that I did with Sam Wade.
Very different.
But yeah, those will be
coming out at the same time.
And that's it.
Wash Day Diaries is still out there.
So you could still pick that up.
People seem to like it.
That's it with Robin Smith.
Jeremy: Yeah, by the time this comes
out, I feel like it'll, I think this'll
actually be the weekend, uh, right
before SPX, I think, that this'll
Jamila: Oh, Robin will be
there representing for me.
So I was going to go, but I'm like, I
went to San Diego, went to that LA Times
book fest, which we won, by the way.
Jeremy: nice!
Jamila: Yes.
so that was exciting.
First black women to be probably
nominated, but, and also when I
did my Wikipedia research site
and I included it in my speech.
Emily: Do it.
Jamila: So yeah, that was really exciting.
Uh, but yeah, Robin will be there
selling black Chelsea pressed up
too, because she is a sweetheart.
So
come say hi.
Emily: That's
Jeremy: And, uh, Emmanuel, what about you?
Emmanuel: I'm on Twitter still for as
long as that exists, as whatever that
trash fire is elipscom2 talking about,
you know, books and all sorts of stuff.
Stop on by.
Jeremy: And, uh, Ben, what about yourself?
Ben: Uh, yeah, find me
at, uh, BenKahnComics.
com, uh, subscribe to my newsletter,
uh, Pros and Con, and make sure to pre
order El Campbell Wins Their Weekend
out October 17th from Scholastic.
Jeremy: Fantastic.
And, uh, Emily, what about you?
Emily: Uh, Megamoth on stuff megamoth.
net, megamoth on Patreon,
Twitter, Blue Sky, Tumblr and
mega underscore moth on Instagram.
Jeremy: Lovely.
And, uh, as for me, I'm, uh, j ro five
eight on Twitter and Instagram and
Jeremy Whitley on Tumblr and Blue Sky.
And my website jeremy whitley.com.
And, uh, yeah by the time this
comes out, dog Night has already
been out several months, so if you
haven't read that, go check it out.
Of course, the podcast is on Patreon
at Progressively Horrified our website
at progressively horrified transistor
fm and prog Horror Pod on Twitter.
So hit us up there.
We'd love to hear from you.
I'd love to hear what you hear.
We'd love to hear how you feel about
the podcast, the episode, the movies.
We're happy to talk to
you about any of it.
Um, thanks.
Sorry, what'd you say?
Emily: I said, oh yeah.
Jeremy: Oh yeah.
Emily: us.
Jeremy: Tag us.
Emily: Yeah.
Yeah,
Jeremy: And thanks again to both
Jamila and Emmanuel for joining us.
This was great.
Uh, this was a lot of fun.
Jamila: This is so much fun.
It does not take much for me.
Like, Jose manga and
horror, like, that's it.
I will not stop talking.
So this is really exciting.
Emily: Sounds good.
Sounds good.
Jeremy: You have to come back sometime.
Jamila: I won't, for sure.
Emily: Yeah,
Jamila: Say less.
Jeremy: if you've, if you've got
some, something you are dying to
talk about, let us know and we will
Emily: like one
Jeremy: it on there.
Emily: I didn't want to watch it.
Jamila: that would.
Listen,
it's, yeah, you, yeah, Manuel,
you gotta come back too.
Oh, it's so good.
I think that's, yeah,
maybe that's the one.
Jeremy: Awesome.
Well, when we look
forward to
it.
Yeah.
Look forward to it.
And thanks to all of you for listening
and until next time, stay horrified.