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Wendy Frase 0:00
Welcome to wake-up call for the soul with Bill and Wendy. Hi Bill.
Bill Frase 0:06
Hey Wendy.
Wendy Frase 0:07
Well, we're so happy to be here again today together to speak about something that I am very excited to talk about. What kind of world is possible? I feel like the last episode, are we living in a simulation? Was a little bit of a downer. So I said to Bill, if we're not living in the real world, if we're living in the fabricated world, can we please talk about the real world? What does this real world look like, and what kind of world is possible?
Bill Frase 0:45
Yeah, that's what we talked about. So this world that we're going to be talking about, the headline is probably that it is the inverse of the world that we talked about in our last episode, the fabricated world of human invention. And so this world is in the process of coming into being. At this time, you can see hints and suggestions of what's coming, but it hasn't arrived in its fullness yet. But I think, to Wendy's point, it probably makes sense for us to talk about this world that is in the process of being born. Because maybe then listeners might be able to look in their world and in their lives and say, ooh, oh, that. I think that's part of the New World, this new world that's coming into being that's going to replace and supplant the fabricated world of human invention.
Wendy Frase 1:37
Yes, because I want to know what this real world looks like and feels like, and this vision of a happier, brighter, new world. So thank you for humoring me in this discussion today. I know that you and I have talked a lot over the years about this world that's coming, this world that is possible, and you do keep telling me it's coming. So I have this hope that we're going to be here in the next five to 10 years, because right now, it's hard to picture this new real world when we're caught up in this fabricated world and the simulation. So if you haven't heard the episode before Episode Seven. Go back and listen to it. You might want to check that out before you hear this one.
Bill Frase 2:26
Yeah, so I guess what we can do is just look at the inverse of that world and maybe give a little bit of specificity to some of those things. So the first thing really that will define this world that is coming into being is unity instead of separation. So this deeper recognition of the fundamental connections and unities within ourselves, amongst ourselves, even the wholeness of ourselves with all that exists, all that is so that can be, what we could call nature the natural world, the cosmos, the multiverse. And for me, this also includes Source.
Wendy Frase 3:12
Okay, so really, I see what you're talking about, just the recognition too, that we are all connected. Because through that recognition, we'll feel it, not just in our mind, but we'll feel it, and so we'll want to continue and promote and see other people as connected to each other.
Bill Frase 3:33
Right, in this pseudo reality, we are so addicted to separation that it's very hard for us to perceive or appreciate the fundamental harmonies and unities that resonate throughout the vastness of all that exists. So in this world that's being born, more and more of us are going to open our perceptions, our faculties, in ways aspects of our being that are able to perceive much wider, greater bandwidths of information, knowledge, sensation than we are right now. Most people on the planet right now are limited to their what I'll call their biological senses, and how those are filtered through their brains, and all of the ideas that we hold in our brains about the nature of reality, which are mostly untrue. And so when you're able to access all these other perceptual faculties, then a whole other reality, world is perceivable. And it's not just a concept or an idea. It is...it becomes your rock, solid reality. You just know it to be true because you perceive it through all of your being, not just through your senses and your brain.
Wendy Frase 4:55
Yeah, and as you said, it's really hard to picture now, because we're caught in the simulation. So we even in this conversation, and even those who are listening to it, and even myself who is listening to you, I really have to open my mind to the possibility that this is even possible, because we are very reactive to each other. But unity, instead of separation, is a wonderful picture in my mind and soul, in my heart. So and with that regards, we're going to have harmony instead of disharmony.
Unknown Speaker 5:29
Right. Because if we're able to perceive instantly, in real time, the impact of our thoughts, of our way of being on anyone or anything, because right now, we have all of these blinders on where we are causing harm through our addiction to separation, but we can't perceive it, because, again, we've set up walls, and walls work in both directions. So I might do something that harms another, but I'm I'm not actually in full awareness of that. So with greater unity comes this understanding of my impact, my deep impact on not just my own personal little world, but through resonance, I am able to perceive how those ripples radiate throughout all that exists. And if those are unpleasant ripples, then I'm going to through my awareness of that, become very invested in harmony. I'm going to say, Oh, I Oh, I don't want to do that. I don't want to contribute to disharmony, because I perceive the awfulness of it, whereas right now, we're mostly blinded to the awfulness of disharmony. So, yeah, that's that's another thing that they go hand in glove, unity, harmony.
Wendy Frase 6:39
And I think that'll be easier for us, because the energies won't be so out of whack. Because we talk a lot about energies in the world right now are really affecting us with anxiety and stress and all these different things, but I think our energies and our bodies will be more calm, so we will be able to promote this harmony.
Bill Frase 6:59
Yeah, and so something another kind of related idea is that, because of the human addiction to separation, at this time, we tend to perceive things through the filter of the separated binary polarities. For example, we tend to think in terms of black and white up and down. We don't tend to think about
Wendy Frase 7:21
Us and them
Bill Frase 7:22
Right. Yeah, so we have all of these categories, all of these things that we think of as dualistically opposed, well, opposites that are separated. And as we shift our consciousness more into unity and the harmony that comes with that, we're going to perceive things more in terms of what I'm going to call for the purposes of this conversation, interconnected, multidimensional continua. So it's not going to be these two things. We are going to be able to perceive the gradations between the so called extremes of the polarities, and we will perceive those things and be more concerned about them, and we won't, because, again, polarities create this kind of very linear two-dimensional thinking, which we've talked about before. And as our consciousness expands, we are not going to have this very linear two-dimensional way of thinking or approaching reality. We are going to perceive things in a multi-dimensional fashion, and we'll be able to perceive the interactions happening between all of these multi dimensional phenomena through the expansion of our perceptions.
Wendy Frase 8:26
Well, that I'm going to point back to our first conversation in Flatland, that that book, that two dimensional world, makes me think of what you're saying here, the interconnected multi dimensional continua.
Bill Frase 8:42
And I just put in here, again, we're doing an inverse of the last episode. So, I have fearlessness instead of fear. I didn't put courage because you don't need courage if there's nothing to be afraid of. So while there's a lot of people, you know, courage is a really awesome thing in our world right now, but again, it's sort of this human invention that we have to be courageous because we invented fear in the first place. So we have to overcome our own issue. And when you're not perpetuating the reality of fear, then you don't have a need for courage. And so for me, the opposite of fear is fearlessness. Fearless literally means without fear.
Wendy Frase 9:19
Yes, and that is so exciting for me, because I have a lot of fears that I don't always admit even or even realize they're just deep down. So this idea of fearlessness is very exciting.
Bill Frase 9:30
And abundance instead of lack. When you are not separate from everyone and everything else, then that means you have access to everyone and everything else. And so there is no lack in this new world. There is no one who is going without that which they deeply desire or require in this new world. And I'm sure people are like, how's that possible? Because again, we're we exist in a pseudo reality where lack is a defining element of it, and I'll just leave it there, unless you have any questions. Wendy on the lack abundance question.
Wendy Frase 10:09
No, I agree, though, that it is tough to see the world is set up that there are winners and losers. That's how people get ahead, and those are the words we use, let's get ahead, meaning we've left some people behind. So, it once again, just like all these others, it is hard to picture, but abundance for everyone, that's so exciting, because that means, even from a basic level, abundance of food, abundance of comfort, abundance of friendships and support, abundance of health and well being, very exciting.
Bill Frase 10:53
And the next one I have on here is the expression and realization of our deep desires, instead of experiencing the frustration, anxiety and rivalry of mimetic desires. And so instead of people chasing other people's desires and then becoming obstacles and rivals, people are going to tap into their own deep, unique being in order to express and realize that which is within them, to bring forth. And the realization and expression of these things is always going to be in harmony because of the fundamental unity that exists. So where we think now, we see desires always in conflict with each other. Everywhere we look, desires are in conflict. In the future, all desires are going to exist in harmony with one another because they're coming from a deeper place than the material mind or the brain.
Wendy Frase 11:47
Okay, that sounds good.
Bill Frase 11:49
And this goes, we you alluded to it before, Wendy. Responsiveness instead of resistance. In separation, resistance is the norm. That's how we deal with everyone and everything, even with our own selves, we resist perpetually, and in the new world, it is responsiveness. Everyone is responsive to themselves, to others, to all, to Source so information comes in and people are responding to it, as opposed to saying, No, thank you. I'm resisting you. I don't want it.
Wendy Frase 12:19
That would that's very exciting.
Bill Frase 12:21
And some other ones I put on here, peace instead of violence seems pretty self explanatory. Almost every prayer I do, if I ask people for their heartfelt intentions, usually some expression for peace, for themselves, for others or the world comes up. So I think people have a sense of what that looks like. And by the way, it's not merely the absence of conflict and violence. It is more of the Jewish idea of shalom, of the peace, of wholeness, unity. They get it.
Wendy Frase 12:53
I like that.
Bill Frase 12:54
And then reconciliation through the power of Unconditional Love, or what Wendy likes to call Source Love, instead of through sacrifices, trade offs, compromises, costs, prices and losses. So again, I just putting a little point on this, that in the new world, we're looking at a world where things work completely differently than they do now, because we will have let go of this lie of separation and the need for sacrifice, cost, loss, trade off, compromises and prices in order to resolve these apparent separations. So, if there are differences, let's say, these things are resolved, reconciled through an elevation of consciousness, through the bringing of Unconditional Love into those spaces and those conversations, those dynamics in such a way that instead of someone always getting ahead, someone always winning or losing, it's always multidimensional win scenario, where all win because all see an even greater, more expansive possibility, as opposed to, well, this is just the way it is, kiddo, you lose, I win.
Wendy Frase 14:15
It's almost like seeing the bigger picture versus just being caught in our own little box, in our own little world.
Bill Frase 14:23
Yeah, and through unity, we have access to infinite resources that are completely inaccessible to us now in our current paradigm, our current pseudo-reality. This last item on this particular list included unconditionally loving invitations To change, and this is different from what is so typical in our world today, instead of displays of control, violence, force, domination, threats, implications of social, political, economic power structures and systems that basically say, Get in line or else. And so in this new world, I just want to put a, I guess, a more specific point on this that we're looking at change working very differently, not being based in separation, not being based on fear, control or domination, but change, being invited through love, kindness, gentleness, generosity, a very different reality from our current dynamic.
Wendy Frase 15:28
Okay, so that helps paint a picture of this vision of in your definition, the real world versus the fabricated world. So, maybe next we could share some things we take for granted in this fabricated world of human invention. That is, that will look very different in the new world that is coming, per your you're telling me it's coming, Bill, so I'm going to believe you it's coming, because I often ask him, when is this coming? How far away? Are we five years, 10 years? When is it coming? And maybe our listeners are asking the same thing or even doubting that this is even possible, because it really is hard to to think it's even possible when we're stuck in this fabricated world right now, but what would look different, Bill?
Bill Frase 16:21
The first thing I put on here was children, all people, all life forms, would be cherished throughout their entire existence. Things that right now in this world, most people reserve for their closest family members and friends would not be limited to their closest family members and friends. We, in the future, we human beings, will love strangers more than we love our own children right now.
Wendy Frase 16:43
We're going to love everybody
Bill Frase 16:44
and everything unconditionally. Yeah, this has been spoken of before, but this shift from what we assume right now, we think in terms of market economies, commodities, these kinds of things, from a separation paradigm and in the future, what we're moving toward is a gift economy that is really going to be characterized by the free flow of love in all of its forms, material, energetic, inter, multidimensional. Yeah, an economy based on generosity and sharing, as opposed to hoarding and rationing.
Wendy Frase 17:22
And you've spoken that there will be no more nation states and countries no sovereign borders, so anyone can go anywhere they want, anywhere in the world,
Bill Frase 17:34
In the cosmos. I mean, what's the point of having a line on a map when a person can go anywhere in the universe instantaneously,
Wendy Frase 17:43
because the world will be available to everyone.
Bill Frase 17:46
Yeah, there will be no place that's off limits. There's no place that people won't be able to go, to travel, to, to exist, to live. So, yeah, nation states become kind of quaint, old fashioned ideas.
Wendy Frase 18:04
I mean, and we're caught up in these institutions and structures, but Bill, you've been saying there's going to be no need for schools. There's no going to be no need for a complex political or legal or justice system.
Bill Frase 18:18
We've developed all of these institutions because we thought separation was real. And when you think separation is real, then you need all these institutions. Or, well, you think you need them in order to overcome all these challenges and difficulties. And it's not true. I mean, when people have access to who they really are and to their true connection to Source and to everyone and everything, then why do I need an insurance policy? Why do I need a justice system if everyone knows what happened? Because the future is completely telepathic and empathic, so everyone has access to everyone's thoughts and feelings. There's no secrets in the future, some people will be freaked out by that. Other people will be thrilled about it. But in this expansive consciousness reality, right now, we believe our thoughts are separate, that somehow they're just inside our brains, and that they don't leak out. No thoughts are running around all over the place, within brains, between brains
Wendy Frase 19:20
Now. Now, wait a minute. Now we're not now. We're not even sounding human. So, I don't know you're going to be able to read my mind in 10 years.
Bill Frase 19:36
Well, I didn't say in 10 years. I'm talking about a future world that's coming. Okay, so what's coming?
Wendy Frase 19:41
So you're gonna be able to read my mind and in the future world?
Bill Frase 19:46
Well, yeah, but everyone is you're gonna be able to read mine. I'm gonna be able to read everybody. Yeah, it's just because if you have...
Wendy Frase 19:54
We will be tuned into the cosmos and energetic energy fields.
Bill Frase 20:01
Well, Unity means unity, and so unity and harmony. There's no walls.
Wendy Frase 20:06
So we'll be Individuals?
Bill Frase 20:08
Yeah, we'll be individuals. We will be well, individual might not be the right word. I'll call us unique beings. So in the future, what we consider ourselves right now, we are seeing ourselves through a separation paradigm of a false identity. In the future, we will know who we really are, and a big part of who we really are is in these unities and harmonies.
Wendy Frase 20:36
See, all right, sorry to be so difficult in this episode, because I am on board with this, this vision of the future, and it seems so great. But I guess there is a threshold even that I get to when Bill talks about these things, because really what you're talking about, to me sounds like, in a way, the afterlife, what I picture, and heaven or the cosmos there, where we're all interconnected, and we're all unity, and we're all kind of reading each other's thoughts, like, that's what that seems like. But you're saying that this is going to be on Earth, or are we even going to call it Earth?
Bill Frase 21:19
We'll probably still call our planet, Earth, or, you know, something more beautiful,
Wendy Frase 21:23
But that's what you're saying.
Bill Frase 21:24
Yeah, when we created separation, we separated life and biological bodies and life and spirit. Those worlds are coming together, and they're going to be much more connected than they were. So it would be really weird for people on Earth to think that their thoughts and feelings are separate from one another, when it's not that way in the spirit realm. So exactly, right in a way. You can look at it different ways, but it's almost like heaven coming to earth or Earth rising up toward the heavens.
Wendy Frase 21:55
Okay. Well, I mean, this does sound good.
Bill Frase 22:04
I'm sure that some people this isn't excited about this, and other people will be horrified, and probably most people will be a bit of both, if they actually take what we've talked about seriously. Wait, you mean people know what I really think? So one of the things when I realized that we were moving toward this reality is, I'm like, I really need to clean up my thoughts. Because, you know, if other people are going to be hanging around in my brain and in my thoughts, I better clean up my act.
Wendy Frase 22:31
I know. And what different people we would all be even now, if we could hear each other,
Bill Frase 22:36
That would be something
Wendy Frase 22:37
We would be horrified.
Bill Frase 22:40
Probably for the most part, yeah,
Wendy Frase 22:42
For ourselves, too
Bill Frase 22:43
And that's why we don't, for the most part, hear these things as clearly as we could. Part of it is in this transitionary phase to help us not to go crazy.
Wendy Frase 22:56
I know now, now I feel like there's a big question here. How are we going to get there? It's just hard for me to see us getting from point A to point B. And I know you said it's not linear. What are your thoughts there? Bill,
Bill Frase 23:12
My first thought is, is that there's no way we're getting there by ourselves.
Wendy Frase 23:18
I can agree with that.
Bill Frase 23:19
We're only going to get there with ridiculous help, help from Source, help from those in the spirit realms who are able and willing to help, help from those from other worlds and other dimensions who want to help. It's only with a ridiculous amount of help that we are going to bridge this chasm between where we are now and where we're headed, it's only going to be with a lot of help.
Wendy Frase 23:51
The good news for me is that I have hope, and I do believe in the possibilities of unity, harmony, interconnected multidimensional continua, fearlessness, abundance, expression of our deep desires, responsiveness, peace, reconciliation and Unconditional Love. So those are the things that you have painted for me, in this view of a real world, and I am very excited about it, and excited about the possibility that we can get there, not sure when that will be but I'm going to take away this picture of this different world, because the word I agree that the world that we live in is very fabricated.
Bill Frase 24:41
Yeah, and I guess the thing that I would put in here: What's the alternative? More of what we've been doing for millennia? More separation, more illusion, more pain and suffering? It's unsustained. I've known it was unsustainable since I was a kid. I knew deep down somewhere that we can't keep doing this. I didn't know what the answer was. I didn't know that it was possible, but I just knew we can't keep this up and and a lot of what we're seeing in the world now are the logical conclusions of the insanity that flows from harboring and perpetuating the idea that separation is real when it's an absolute lie. And so people can listen to this episode and say, Bill's crazy, he's Pollyanna, he's he's some kind of ridiculous idealist, and I'm not going to deny any of that stuff. But if you think that we can keep going the way that we are, if anyone thinks that that's possible without the annihilation of our species and our planet, I think you really need to take a hard look. You need to take a hard look at yourself and at this world, because what we're doing right now, it is unsustainable, even if people can't see it, it's going to become clear. It's going to become ridiculously clear that we have to choose a different direction. And I'm thinking about a line from a song years ago, I think, was a Casting Crowns song. The line was, when you hit rock bottom is when you start looking up. And I think that what our species is in the middle of is we are headed toward our rock bottom so that we can start looking up and saying, okay, help please. Let's, let's turn this thing around.
Wendy Frase 26:44
And you're not alone. You're very good at putting thoughts and words into a better perspective for me to understand, just spelling this out is helpful to see what is possible and what is the real world. But there are lots of people, and you have lots of friends that are working towards this and tapping into your heart's and soul's desire and working on helping the planet and the world. So there are a lot of people out there, like you, Bill, and I've met them that are really doing their best to move from this fabricated world to this real world that we all desire and that we all want.
Bill Frase 27:23
And for every person on this planet trying to make it better, there's a million in spirit from other planes, dimensions and planets that are working toward the same thing too. And that's why this new reality is inevitable, because however many human beings you count on the planet, each one is backed by a million from a gazillion other realities that, by the way, are very much like the one that has been described in this podcast.
Wendy Frase 27:55
Yay. And we'll probably talk more about that on a future episode, I'm sure one day.
Bill Frase 28:00
It could happen.
Wendy Frase 28:03
Well, it's been great talking with you today. Bill,
Bill Frase 28:05
Yeah, it's always a pleasure, Wendy.
Wendy Frase 28:07
Until next time.
Bill Frase 28:09
Until next time. Thank you so much for listening to wake up call for the soul. With Bill and Wendy, we hope you'll join us next time.