Elsbeth: Season 3, Episode 18 - Murder from Scratch

Elsbeth Season 3 is diving into trad wife culture in episode 18, Murder from Scratch, and the results are as crispy as homemade sourdough — and just as labor-intensive. When documentary filmmaker Audra films trad wife influencer Juliet (a scene-stealing Anna Camp) making a vegan dinner from scratch for her husband's boss, she catches something shocking on camera: lard. In a vegan dinner. What follows is a murder as convoluted as the lifestyle Juliet is selling, involving baking ammonia, bleach, a cleaning pod, and a hard drive hidden in a chicken coop by a kid named Deservedly. Meanwhile, the precinct faces a budget crisis that threatens to send Detective Buzz Fleming into retirement before he's ready — and Elsbeth, Wagner, and the gang aren't going down without a poker fight.

00:00 – Intro and housekeeping: 50 ratings milestone and listener review shoutout
03:47 – Episode recap begins: the trad wife opening sequence with Juliet and filmmaker Audra
10:23 – The lard reveal and how Juliet tries to silence Audra for good
17:42 – Elsbeth and Smullen arrive at the crime scene; the Arnold Palmer clue
28:58 – The B storyline kicks in: Commissioner Tully forces Buzz into retirement
44:00 – Elsbeth finds the hard drive in the chicken coop; the butter churning scene
54:52 – Poker night, Tully's cheating exposed, and Buzz gets to stay

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episode eighteen murder from scratch i am

one of your hosts jason reed aka

handsomely with my co-host as always

marissa garza aka nerdily ah marissa you

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Yeah.

Fun Elspeth episode.

Fun little murder.

Very interesting episode.

What did you think overall of the episode?

Well,

it was quite timely for me because I

am reading this book called Yesteryear by,

hold on.

harrow claire brook burke and it is about

a trad wife who wakes up in the

so uh it's been very interesting to be

reading that book and then also to see

this um to see this come up it

this is definitely a little bit more tame

on the commentary on trad wives than the

book is um but overall it's a hot

topic so you know i love timely and

trendy things i guess uh yeah i can't

wait to get into it eighteen hundreds are

trendy then i'm in for it because that

is that was my that is what i

studied in college the eighteen hundreds

in like all over the world so we

want to talk about eighteen hundreds

america i'm in eight hundreds africa also

in europe in all of these things but

i i'm getting ahead of myself i'm sure

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Let's get into the episode.

We start off.

We see someone who was...

I thought at first she was shooting a

commercial.

I was like, what is this?

She's talking about making some bread,

some sourdough.

She's talking about all the natural

products she's using to make her bread.

I was like, okay.

I was like,

this is some real happy homemaker stuff.

I even said some very trad wifey...

the tropes going on here.

We get her talking about the things she's

making and we get these fun interstitials

of monograms of one point five hours later

that she started this thing and just kind

of give you an idea of like,

this takes a lot of time,

like a lot of time that people don't

have, you know?

Yeah.

And this is like the whole thing, right?

Like so Tradwives,

the whole wholesome American white woman,

American content thing is always like,

you know,

Home cooked bread,

homemade bread is the best bread.

Don't deny your family this experience.

But forgetting that it takes so much time.

And this woman is not even saying make

homemade bread by using flour from the

store.

She's saying make your own flour.

By grinding wheat into flour,

which takes a little bit more time.

But I did love how usually we get

the big dunk and the big screen.

These were like nicely embroidered little

things to tell us how long everything was

taking.

Yeah,

I enjoyed the little twists on the normal,

like,

it was all these monogrammed times of

like, yeah, this is taking a long time.

So it's not what a normal person would

be able to do.

So we do also get the point of

view of Audra.

She is filming all this.

And she's kind of giving,

she's kind of throwing out some questions

to this person.

We still don't have the name of this

person.

I was calling the person Anna Camp because

the actor.

Well, yes.

This person is Anna Camp,

who I think you will probably know the

best from the Pitch Perfect series of

films.

However,

recently in a masterful performance in

You,

she was very good in that as well.

And it was fun to see her there.

Also, not to compare this to yesteryear,

but the producer angle was also a part

of that book.

as well so this whole like tradition trad

wife content like it only takes one person

to do all of this stuff is definitely

something people are talking about yeah

for sure um so yeah audra is pitching

stuff she's like so how do you think

uh you know you were do you think

some of them will feel inadequate if they

can't do all the things that you're doing

because not everyone is able to do the

things that you're doing and she's like oh

no of course not just being a traditional

wife is my own journey i don't expect

other people to be able to do what

i do i'm

I want to give them the inspiration to

do that through this through this movie or

whatever.

And so I'll just also ask,

so do you think, you know,

are you ever like kind of bummed out

about the fact that, you know,

you had a whole big startup that you

founded and then you left the startup to

to kind of partake of this traditional

wife lifestyle?

And she's like, No,

I have a joy in knowing that I'm

prioritizing my husband and my children.

It's like, okay, cool, cool, cool.

Audra is kind of distracted by her phone

and any campus like, hey,

supposed to you're supposed to be taping

me not uh not looking at your phone

what's going on audrey talks about the

fact okay yeah i'm i'm pretty excited

because i have a date coming up and

uh you know i'm pretty excited about it

and it's like oh that's interesting like i

are you like fix up your place in

case he comes in in case he uses

the bathroom and i'll just like okay like

i'm not i'm not really that's not really

me like if he has to use the

bathroom like i don't i don't have to

invite him inside the house or whatever

and anna camp is kind of like shaming

her for like being like oh

Okay, maybe you should think about that.

Audra is kind of annoyed that Anikamp is

kind of shaming her for not being,

you know,

the trad person that Anikamp wants her to

be.

And Audra starts to kind of like,

we see Audra's up to something.

She's like secretly taping some things.

We see Audra taping some of the

ingredients that Anikamp is using.

And I was like, what is she?

Because I didn't understand what was going

on in the moment.

I was like,

why is she so heavily focused on the

ingredients here,

not even clocking what the ingredients

were?

So we get the interstitial one almost

entirely vegan dinner later.

It's the next day.

Audrey is back.

We're taping some more stuff.

We still don't really know what's going

on,

why she's filming Anna Camp in the moment.

We're like, okay,

I still don't know what's going on,

but okay.

Yeah,

I couldn't tell if it was for social

media or what the actual use of this

was, but apparently it was a big deal.

It was for a movie.

Yeah.

And so, you know, Audra's asking us, okay,

great.

How'd the dinner go last night with you?

Because we also hear from Anna Camp that

she is making this big dinner for her

husband and her husband's boss because

Grant's trying to get a big promotion and

his boss and his wife are vegan.

So she's making this vegan dinner for her

husband's boss.

Yes.

Yeah.

And, you know,

that's like straight out of Donna Reed.

It's very old school.

And she also says, you know,

instead of police cards,

I'm embroidering the initials into the

into the napkins.

I did want to know.

I did look up Audra, the actress,

because I was like, Audra,

she's got to be somebody.

Right.

She's got to be somebody.

She was on Orange is the New Black.

For twenty seven whole episodes.

The actress's name is Rosa Colon and she

is best known for Orange is the New

Black,

Lost Girls and also nineteen episodes of

Power Book three Raising Canaan.

Not Raising Cane.

Not Raising Cane.

Raising Cane.

Yeah, she didn't talk to me.

I didn't talk to her at the time,

but I was like,

let me just check and see because she

might be from somewhere.

But yeah,

she's paying attention while Anna Camp is

doing her best Martha Stewart impression.

yes uh so yeah the the husband's boss

is vegan so is the wife so she's

making a vegan dinner and so the next

day audra's like hey so i just want

to show you some stuff that uh that

i shot yesterday um and she shows her

the footage and it shows it shows zooming

in on the one of the ingredients that

uh anna camp who we now find out

is juliet juliet is her name i was

like okay all right finally we find out

her name was juliet um

And we found out that Juliet was using

lard in the vegan dinner and lard is

made from pork.

So this is not very vegan of you

to be using this in this dinner that

you're making.

And not only is it like unethical,

but someone could get like actually really

sick.

Like if you have not had an ingredient

in a very long time and then it's

like reintroduced to you in a way,

not saying that I'm speaking from current

situations that are happening within my

micro gut or gut microbiome.

At this current moment.

But like I went on a very restrictive

diet.

And then when you reintroduce something,

it's like, oh,

so these vegans who might not have had

lard in forever could also be sick.

Not only just like betrayed and violated.

It's a bigger deal.

Yeah, so when Audra shows Juliet this,

Juliet is pissed.

She's like,

you are going to need to delete that

now.

I've worked too hard to be ruined by

this.

Because she starts like, well, you know,

vegans are just being difficult because

they like to be.

That's the only reason that vegans do this

to people,

because they want to be special.

It's like, okay.

okay like Audra is also recording this

rant that Julie is going on about vegans

and they're just being trying to be

difficult Julia Juliet sees this as well

she's like no I gave up my startup

for this life you're not going to ruin

it I was like oh in this moment

I was like oh boy here comes here

comes the murder right now but no no

not yet I'll just like no

She's like,

I have too much integrity to just bury

this footage.

I'm selling this trad that I like.

And cause Julia's like, Hey,

me and my husband are like paying you

to do this film about trad wiving.

So you,

we have final say of what is in

this, this footage.

And I'll just like, ah,

I don't know about that.

I think,

I think I'm going to try and sell

to someone else that we interested in

seeing the real look into what a trad

wife lifestyle is like.

Uh, also side note,

have you ever watched the comeback?

With Lisa Kudrow.

No, I have not.

Yes.

Well, another similar situation.

Lisa Kudrow's character has hired a

reality TV crew to follow her along as

she's going on her life.

And the crew, the producer particularly,

is always like...

It's a statement about something.

And so I feel like Audra is like,

this is a statement about tradwiving that

I could sell to other people.

It's not just always what's in front of

you.

Like,

I think people will use like reality or

like a documentation as a fast lead of

fame where there's still people who want

to get like this point of view across

into a deeper thing.

And that's what I think Audra is seeing

here as well.

Yeah, for sure.

And, you know, Juliet is like, okay,

all right, all right, all right.

But just give me a day to tell,

to just to warn my husband, Grant,

this is going to come out before you

try to sell to somebody else.

And I'll just like, okay, fine, fine,

fine.

So then we see later on,

Juliet is using baking ammonia to bake

something.

We don't know what,

we don't know what's going on.

I'm like,

I don't even know what baking ammonia is,

but I know ammonia is not,

not great to be baking into anything

really.

Yeah.

Oh, but it is.

It is.

It's used to make things crispy,

like pastry particularly.

But it's like the powdered form of

ammonia.

It's not the liquid form of ammonia.

Yes,

but it's still going to be poisonous in

certain ways.

Yeah, I mean,

you definitely don't want to be like

dousing things in ammonia.

Yes, for sure.

So then we see Juliette show up at

Audra's door.

And Audra's like, oh, hey,

the heck are you doing here?

And Juliette has this ruse.

She's like, hey,

I just wanted to come over and I

realized you were right.

And I actually want you to film me

breaking the news to Grant that I used

lard in this weekend dinner and all this.

I want you to tape it to get

the real story out there.

instead of audra being like that's

suspicious she's like oh okay great like

that's cool i'd love to and but but

it's great yeah she's like but i can't

because i have that date that i was

talking to you about tonight so i can't

do it tonight maybe tomorrow and julie's

like oh yeah i forgot actually i you

know i was thinking about that

conversation i bought this cleaning pod

over to help you clean your bathroom

okay let me just talk about this for

a minute because not only did she bring

a cleaning pod which was very odd the

way that anna camp like presented it was

so hilarious to me because she's like it's

like a foil little package thing and she

holds it like she's holding i don't know

like a stick of dynamite that or like

on real housewives where they hold the

like the diamond or the orange or the

peach or like whatever's in the middle

it's like here

Like she's offering it to her in like

some sort of like weird way.

It just made me laugh so, so much.

And then I really had to be like

a cleaning pot, a cleaning pot.

Where's this go?

Yeah.

This was,

this was a very odd way to do

the murder.

I think it was one of the oddest,

like representations of the murder we've

had because it's,

But it was a great PSA.

Yes.

I do think it was a double feature

here.

Yeah,

because Juliet is really persistent that

Audra uses Cleaning Pod right now to clean

her bathroom.

She's like, yeah, yeah,

just do it right now.

Just drop this into some bleach and,

you know,

you start cleaning your bathroom with it.

Yeah, just for your date.

Just on the off chance that your date

decides they want to use your bathroom,

we need to do this now.

It's like, okay.

She gets Audra into the bathroom and Audra

starts...

cleaning she starts using the product and

julian's like oh oh you know what actually

you do that i have i have to

go i'll leave you here in the bathroom

do that she leaves the bathroom you know

closes the door in on audra in the

bathroom and looks through audra's hard

drive she tries to find the hard drive

that is labeled for the week of this

like dinner she was making

She finds the footage and hightails it out

of Audra's apartment.

Meanwhile,

Audra is here mixing up the cleaning pod

that Juliet just gave her,

which if you didn't know, you know now,

I know now.

If you mix baking ammonia and bleach

together, it combines into a,

what is it called?

Chloramide gas?

It's basically a mustard gas.

It's like, it's

of that of that quality of chemical yeah

chloramine gas is what it's called that

that's what that's what it mixes which is

uh obviously toxic and so Audra cannot she

can't get out of the bathroom because the

overwhelming toxins and we hear a thump

and that would take we take that to

mean that Audra has died in her bathroom

yeah so it was a very interesting murder

but I felt like we had to jump

through like too many hoops to get the

murder done too much had to happen like

what if Audrey's just like no like I

don't want to clean my bathroom right now

with you here or she leaves the thing

there and she's like I don't want this

just throws it in the trash

Yeah, it was very convenient.

But I think that Juliet's persistence was

what got Audra to be like, okay,

let's shut this lady up.

I'm going to go into the bathroom and

take care of it.

It's not necessarily a very strong case.

But I think I've been thinking of like,

if it wasn't this cleaning pod,

what would have been...

She would have poisoned her, I guess,

would be like the easiest way.

Yeah, exactly.

So it was a weird way to get

the murder done.

I was like, OK, it worked, though.

Sure.

So we get the investigation started.

We see Elspeth and Smullen.

I'm sure those of you that saw Kai

last episode were just like, oh, yeah,

Kai's back.

Like, no, not quite.

Not quite.

no mention of kai either no like oh

kai is uh doing something else or whatever

in all like up until the point where

we see like the new commissioner i really

thought that this could have been filmed

out of sequence or like just like written

out of sequence or some sequence because i

was like this has no connection to what

we just saw prior

Well, this could have been,

this exactly could have been like the

Kaya,

this episode and the Kaya one could have

just been switched because the

commissioner stuck with the episode before

Kaya,

so this could have been a direct result

of that.

So yeah, that's interesting.

It could have been,

the episode numbers could have been

switched.

But yeah,

so Ellsworth and Smullen arrive and

Officer Nicky is here.

I was like, okay,

at least Officer Nicky's here,

one of our favorite officers.

And continuity from last episode,

so that was cool.

True.

Smullen is doing his Smullen thing.

He's like,

Yep, gas leak.

That's definitely what this is, right?

So we can just wrap this up.

Must have been a gas leak.

And Nikki's like, well,

I don't know about that.

It seems like there were some cleaning

agents that were used that resulted in

this.

Because this woman died cleaning her

bathroom.

She mixed bleach and ammonia,

and that creates chloramine gas.

And it's a fact, though, she is dead.

Elizabeth is doing her Elizabeth thing.

She's kind of looking around.

She's like, you know, it's funny.

You say that there was ammonia and bleach

mixed together,

but I don't see any ammonia.

They look everywhere for this ammonia

bottle that could have been used.

There's no bottle here.

So that's weird, right?

So Ellsworth, of course,

is seeing everything through that lens of

like, nope,

something's fishy here because there's no

ammonia bottle.

So how does she mix ammonia with bleach?

And she also notes that there is in

the trash a bottle of Arnold Palmer,

which is iced tea and lemonade mixed

together.

She's like,

this woman didn't even mix lemonade and

iced tea herself.

This is weak.

weak elspeth weak evidence she's like this

woman doesn't even mix iced tea lemonade

herself why would she be mixing ammonia

and bleach herself that doesn't make any

sense okay because i don't know elspeth i

ran out of stuff or whatever it was

easy it was convenient it was on sale

like i don't know to marissa this is

taking this personally well here's the

thing i live by myself okay i mean

i probably shouldn't say that

on the internet but like sometimes i don't

have the capacity to make a home-cooked

meal sometimes i don't have the capacity

to make my own arnold palmer to my

own liking sometimes it's just easier to

take the pre-made thing and that's okay

because a fed body is the best body

so there you go feels like you and

elspeth are simpatico in this episode of

how you feel about the uh trad wiping

um

wouldn't you know it audra's date shows up

and uh we got some bad news for

you my guy uh i was like why

did he have to show up and also

sad what's sad and they had to explain

to him yes audra is no longer alive

sir he's like oh that's terrible he's like

we we were going to make such a

power couple he's like i'm a film critic

she's a she's a filmmaker that would have

been perfect not the fact that this woman

is dead but he has missed out on

his opportunity to have like

have this couple that is like so great

in the film and uh and he tells

elizabeth and smolin about the job that

audra was working on about you know a

trad wife you know documentary and he

tells like there but there were some

issues going on with the trad wife

documentary they're like elizabeth's like

oh really you say interesting okay

uh we then see we then see juliet

in her house trying to research how to

get rid of hard drives how to destroy

hard drives as she has a hard drive

in her hand but uh one of her

or a couple of her six kids are

kind of like running amok around the house

so she gets distracted and hides the hard

drive in her closet

Did you happen to note the names of

these children?

We'll talk about that as she introduces

them to Ellsworth this moment later,

which was the inspiration for the opening,

for my opening anyway.

So I did notice, because, you know,

it seems like every episode now,

the Kings, Deesa, or whoever,

does something fun with the opening

credits.

This is a very normal Ellsworth opening.

I was like, okay,

I don't know what you would have done

For the opening,

maybe just make it in that monogram style.

They did it with the dooms earlier,

but I was like, oh, interesting.

They didn't do anything fun with this one.

Well,

I think if I were going to make

a documentary,

it would be on the production schedule of

Elspeth and exposing what happens when

budgets shift in the middle of a season

and you have to figure out how you're

going to recuperate and also appease the

new owners of your

of your network to make sure that you're

not going in weird directions.

That would be the documentary I would make

because there's just some things

specifically in the season that just

don't, that just don't add up.

So this is kind of not saying this

open is one of them,

but I think it just like adds to

the,

like I toss it in the bucket of

evidence.

True.

Or are they just like, ah,

we don't feel like thinking of anything.

That could be a two.

That could be a two.

Just make it a normal one.

So Smolin and Elspeth are talking to

Wagner.

And of course, Smolin is like,

this is just, this is nothing.

This is an accident.

Smellin' being Smellin'.

And Ellsworth's like, no, no,

there's definitely some evidence here that

shows this is not an accident.

Smellin's like, oh my gosh, really?

Even Wagner is getting in on the bit

with Smellin'.

He's like, come on, Ellsworth.

You know this is probably just an

accident.

Why are you being Ellsworth?

Why are you doing your thing?

Ellsworth's like, well, listen,

there was no ammonia storage in the place,

no ammonia in the trash.

We did find some baking ammonia on a

foil in the trash,

but we couldn't find any other ammonia.

uh elspeth rightly points out it seems

like someone may have given audra this

ammonia pod yeah that's where i'm leaning

right now i did love how wagner was

like elspeth tell me one piece of evidence

one and elspeth had to like really just

like well um and then she went on

her like really long run on sentence about

the baking ammonia

Yeah,

she shows Wagner some footage of Julia and

her trad wife being ways.

She's growing her own artichokes.

She's doing all this other stuff.

Emerald artichokes.

Emerald artichokes.

Wagner's like, well,

isn't this just a housewife?

It's just a fancy name for housewife.

He's like,

All right, Ragnar, relax.

Juliet is doing all the,

like Elizabeth goes on this kind of like

lecture of like, well,

Juliet is doing all these things that just

normal women don't have time to do.

Like making your own soap,

making your own food from scratch,

your own cleaning products from scratch.

Thank you.

Love you.

She's like, and this is for people that,

for housewives who long for a time when

women were allowed to open their own bank

accounts.

Like, oh, damn,

Elizabeth's going on a little bit of a

diatribe here.

You know when that happened?

Do you know?

It was not that long ago.

I know that.

Correct.

It was like the eighties or something?

Correct.

Yeah.

Correct.

Crazy stuff.

And so I was like, well,

why would Juliet do this?

What is the motive here for Juliet to

kill Audra?

Elizabeth says, well,

there's some footage missing from this

documentary.

So obviously something is afoot here or

this footage would be missing.

And, you know,

and Audra has been looking for other

financers for the film,

which shows some trouble in paradise with

Juliet and her husband.

And this is enough for Wagner to say,

all right, okay, all right, you can,

you can even,

you can just talk to Juliet, that's fine.

And it made me wonder, like,

why was Elspeth even on this case with

Smullen in the first place?

But it made me wonder, like,

made me think about the world of Elspeth,

right?

Like,

what if Elspeth just goes on some cases

And they're just random cases of like,

okay, yeah, nothing's fishy here,

and I'll just go about my way.

Maybe Elizabeth doesn't just go on calls

that seem fishy on the outset.

Maybe she goes to a ton of different

crime scenes or whatever scenes,

and she gets there, and she's like, no,

this seems legit.

This is good.

I'm just going to...

That's how it's supposed to be if she's

operating under the consent decree lawyer.

Depending on where she is,

is she a consultant?

Is she wherever she is?

But I think that's how a consent decree...

It's not supposed to be like I...

I deem that this may be a little

bit fishy or a little bit weird.

It's supposed to be like, oh, okay.

That's cool.

Move on.

Or like,

and I'm also here to make sure that

you like, don't go off the rail.

Yeah.

So maybe that's what she's there for.

But then Elizabeth being Elizabeth,

if she sees something fishy,

she's going to point it out,

which makes you think maybe.

Nine times out of ten,

Elizabeth doesn't see anything fishy.

Everything is fine.

She has nothing to say about it.

She's like, all right,

let's go back to the precinct to go

back to my office.

But the ones that we see on the

show are the ones where she goes along.

She's like, oh,

this is something weird here.

and that's like if you compare the show

to other shows within the good verse other

like the good wife and the good fight

have shows that are about the internal

workings of the entity whether it be the

firm yeah the law firm in both instances

that we don't necessarily see in elspeth

as much where it's like

Yeah, there's a case going on.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But that's on the peripheral this episode.

We're really kind of getting into the

inner workings of things.

So we don't get to see that as

much here on Elspeth.

And I would kind of love if...

First of all,

is consent decree lawyer a real thing?

And if it was,

I'd love to talk to one and be

like,

but do you guys actually go to crime

scenes?

Or do you...

read reports after the fact and figure out

if something was done right or wrong in

the policing of it, right?

That's what I would think is a consent

decree lawyer.

A consent decree lawyer is not there in

the act of investigation being done.

They're there in the aftermath to make

sure everything was done right is my...

these lawyers negotiate monitor and

enforce compliance with federal court

orders often requiring specialized

expertise in civil rights system systemic

reform and federal litigation that's the

other thing is like she isn't necessarily

like there for the people you know what

i mean like she's she's there to protect

the police um but it's a court order

it doesn't i don't think it has to

be done by a lawyer

right so it can be interesting i just

wish they'd be like you're just consulting

else's now like they tried that for a

minute and then they were like actually

we'll just go back to consent the

production was just weird like maybe she

is a consultant at the end of the

season and we don't know yet because we're

not there because they jumbled up all the

episodes you know like again the

documentary i'm writing in my head yes

um it just made me really think about

like what would this be in real life

but um anyway uh so else with this

moment go to talk juliet she has all

of her six kids you know with her

in tow they show up at the house

and uh juliet is just bereft that audrey

is dead oh my god she's supposed to

meet us today and uh you know it's

so terrible she's gone

We hear her reference one of her kids

called Breakly.

I was like, okay, that's interesting.

And then she goes down the list of

all of her other kids.

So we have Breakly, we have Deservedly,

we have Kingsley, we have Oakley,

we have Paisley, and we have Charlies.

No, it's Charlie, but it's like Charlie.

Charlie.

Almost everyone's name is spelled

L-E-I-G-H at the end.

Except for Deservedly,

who has the L-Y at the end of

the name.

Are all your kids adverbs?

So good.

It was great.

It was great.

Particularly the breakly and deservedly.

I thought it was like Paisley is kind

of cute.

Paisley.

But I would like,

I don't know if I would name a

human Paisley.

I don't know.

I mean,

there are tons of people named Paisley.

Paisley.

I mean.

Paisley.

Not.

Paisley.

Oakley.

Charlie.

Okay.

Now it's pronounced Lee, Charlie.

But because all of my angels have to

be so different and so unique,

we have to name them all Lee or

Lay.

So funny.

So Elizabeth is doing her move of kind

of presenting the evidence.

She's like, hey,

isn't it weird there's some missing

footage from Audra's hard drives?

And just to see Juliet's reaction.

And Juliet's like, oh yeah, that's,

I have no idea what that's about.

Meanwhile,

Smullen is seeing all of what's going on

here, all that Juliet does,

all the baking she does from scratch.

And he is just, he is smitten.

Not only seeing it,

but the man is at a buffet.

He's like, I'm going to eat this.

I love this.

Oh my gosh.

I can't believe it.

It was hilarious.

He's like, this is great.

This is fantastic.

He's in heaven right now.

And so...

Elizabeth also lets it slip.

She's like,

do you use baking ammonia in any of

your stuff?

And Julia's like, huh?

What?

What?

I mean, yeah, I do.

But, you know,

I just use it in some of my

baked goods.

And Elizabeth mentions the fact that,

you know,

baking ammonia was found in Audra's

apartment.

And Julia goes,

I would never suggest that Audra use

baking ammonia because she's not a baker.

She's a very, like, nice, great person,

but she's just not a baker.

So if I did give it to her,

I would tell her not to mix it

in with any bleach.

It's like, oh.

interesting and she also yes that and then

she's also like i thought she was so

smart she was smart enough that would

never happen like so you liked it's like

so you liked audra but so why is

it that she had to find some alternate

sources of funding

Julia goes, Oh,

I was the one that suggested she find

some other avenues of funding.

Yeah.

And elsewhere says, Oh, okay.

Yeah, I mean,

it's a shame that this film wouldn't be

able to be finished now, wouldn't it?

And elsewhere says, and rest assured,

we are going to find that missing footage.

Once again,

putting the pressure on Juliet saying

like,

we're gonna find it one way or the

other.

So like, that's a warning to you,

my lady.

Yes.

It's the Elsbeth.

It's like,

I'm trying to make it a word.

Like I'm trying to lay it.

Like it's like a Elsbeth lean in warning.

Yes.

I'm on to you.

Yeah.

So later,

Juliet is breaking the news to Grant that

Audra is gone and probably the film was

also kaput.

And Grant is bummed.

He's like,

I spent all that money for nothing?

How are we supposed to show what women

were born to do?

It's like, ugh.

You could go somewhere, Grant.

You could go somewhere else.

It's like, yo, Grant.

Come back.

ill grant ill so grant is about to

go golfing as i'm sure people like grant

do every single day and he wants to

get his clubs from the closet and julie's

like oh no no no let me get

them let me get them because i'm a

woman that's my job um she goes because

she wants to stop him for going to

the cloth that she hood hid the hard

drive in so she opens the closet herself

but lo and behold the hard drive is

missing so julie is freaking out that the

hard drive is missing from where she hit

it where is the hard drive

uh later on we are back in the

precinct and smutland and wagner are

talking and they're like yeah she made

some great stuff like she made these

crackers that were awesome and i tried to

get my wife to make some and she

just laughed at me and kicked me out

of the house that's right as you should

as you should mrs smullen um so elspeth

now finds out that uh audra had submitted

her film to a film festival

And the programmer for the film festival

had asked for a sizzle reel of the

film.

So Elda's like, oh,

maybe some of the missing footage is in

that sizzle reel.

So we need to find that.

We got to talk to the festival organizer

or the programmer and figure out where

that is.

I love the name of a sizzle reel.

Mm-hmm.

So Elizabeth talks to the programmer.

And the programmer loves Audra's work.

She talks about some of the other things

that Audra has done,

including talking about homeschooling.

And she basically tries to uncover some

things about other lifestyles,

what Audra's specialty was.

And Audra had told her that this one

about trad wives is going to be explosive.

It's a searing look at the trad wife

lifestyle and the lies that are told in

that community.

She said it was going to be called

Sad Wife.

One step forward, two Stepfords back.

I was like, oh.

Get it.

Stepfords.

Get it.

Get it.

Yeah, Stepford Wives.

So Elsa's like, okay, great, great, great.

So that sizzle reel,

we'd love to take a look at that.

And the program was like, oh, well,

it's too bad because Audra never sent one.

I was waiting for one.

She never sent it.

So that avenue is kind of done with

Elsa.

She's like, oh,

guess I'm not going to get a sizzle

reel.

Meanwhile,

we go back to Juliet in her house,

and she is looking high and low for

this hard drive.

She cannot find it.

She does find, deservedly,

under a table with a gummy bear.

She's like,

where the heck did you get it?

Deservedly the child.

Yeah.

Yes.

We got to really,

I got to really work on how I

was like, deservedly the human.

With a capital D. With a capital D,

with a L-Y,

the only one with a L-Y at the

end of her name.

She has a gummy bear.

And Julia's like,

where did you get that gummy bear from?

Because I've made those in a while.

I thought there was going to be some

sort of other weird subplot where like the

husband was like sneaking processed foods

into the house.

And that was going to be where she

got the gummy bear.

But we never really circled back around to

that.

So she asked like, oh, and Deservedly,

sweetie, have you seen this thing?

It's called a hard drive.

I don't know what a hard drive is,

but have you seen it?

It's like a big rectangle.

And she's like, no, I haven't seen it,

but maybe Breakly has it.

Like, okay.

This was interesting.

We don't really get to see the murderer

a lot on their own little side quests.

Because we a few times break over to

Juliet where she's trying to look for the

hard drive.

That was an interesting little wrinkle in

the usual Elizabeth formula.

Yeah,

and also I felt like in this episode,

the murder section,

like the time in which before we see

Elsbeth has been longer this season.

This one was a little bit shorter,

which is why I think we got these,

not by much,

but a little bit in there.

And I think that's why we didn't have

as much development in the hard drive part

of this crime.

Yes.

uh so Elizabeth and Smullen are watching

another one of Audra's films this one is

about uh the the lifestyle of

homeschooling and we see some footage of

the teacher um you know teaching her her

kids and one of the kids wants to

clean the blackboard with some chemicals

and the teacher says oh no that's ammonia

and bleach we don't want to mix those

together because that creates chloramine

gas and so Elizabeth goes aha

So Audra definitely knew not to mix those

two chemicals because, hey,

she shot some footage about that.

So she would know that.

I was like, hmm.

Now, see, that's where, Elizabeth,

I think you're wrong.

Because I have seen,

I have watched a lot of things.

And I still would remember.

If I had seen that,

I still would be like, oh,

this is fine.

And I still would have probably

accidentally killed myself.

Well, and I feel like when you're...

Well,

this is only because of one of my

past jobs,

but when you're filming something,

you're not necessarily paying attention.

You are paying attention,

but you're paying attention to a bunch of

different things and maybe not necessarily

the content of what's being presented on

the screen.

You're kind of watching how people are

reacting to things and stuff like that.

So it could be argued that she remembered

it just as easily as it could be

argued that she did not remember.

Yeah, exactly.

So I was like, I mean,

that's kind of a stretch.

A lot of this episode was like,

that's kind of a stretch, but okay.

And I'm not sure why we needed this

segment to cement that Audra knew not to

do that.

I was like,

I thought that whole scene could have been

just cut.

And so we now know that Audra knew

not to do that.

It's like, OK, sure.

And Smullen is finally getting on board

with the idea that Juliet could have done

this.

But how do we prove this?

And so Elizabeth says,

we need to convince Juliet to tell us

where this footage is.

We need to find this missing footage,

because there's something in that footage

that is a motive for Juliet to kill

Audra.

and so we go visit juliet again with

uh with her kids juliet is churning her

own butter for a a dish she's making

smullen is over here just he is just

like so into this he's like oh my

god like you're you're churning your own

butter oh you're the perfect woman uh so

i was like oh yeah and so they

uh

They tell Juliet about the film festival

wanting Audra's film.

So they basically lie to Juliet and say,

yeah,

Audra sent over a sizzle reel to the

film festival.

And this gets Juliet on high alert.

She's like, oh, my God.

Like, that's, yeah,

I hope there's nothing in there that

incriminates me.

That's what she's thinking, I'm sure.

Juliet, so they say to Juliet, Juliet,

didn't you know that kind of Audra's thing

is kind of exposing some of these

lifestyle things?

Why would you sign up for that?

And this is where Juliet admits that she's

never really actually seen any of Audra's

films.

She kind of skimmed her other films.

She's like,

I'm so busy doing all this other stuff.

I don't have time to sit and watch

movies.

I don't have time for fun.

I don't have time for entertainment.

I'm busy being a drag wife.

Yeah.

i talked about the fact that uh you

know audra knew i have to mix these

chemicals so something is definitely weird

and a foot here we didn't get into

this like to this segment it was so

hilarious juliet goes oh man my arm's

getting so tired turning this butter and

she goes elizabeth you want to help me

turn this butter and i was just like

why are you asking me why don't you

ask smolin he's got like he's got more

muscles than i do and juliet scoffs at

this she's like oh

Ask a man to do anything associated with

cooking and baking?

What are you, crazy?

And so she cajoles Ellsworth into helping

her churn butter.

And then there's just Anna Camp and Carrie

Preston churning butter together.

I don't know what it is about...

a churning butter gag but it gets me

every single time this was so great also

i know jason even though you love mess

you are not in the real housewives

franchise of things uh but shout out to

anyone listening who watches real

housewives of salt lake city famous butter

churning shenanigans also on that show uh

this well it's

but okay but you have to think about

with context because it's real housewives

and also of salt lake city so these

are the trad the rich trad wives were

turning butter and they were like

Doing a heritage day,

going back to their roots and churning

butter.

Have you ever churned butter in real life?

Have you done it?

No, I've never churned butter.

Well, come to the suburbs, Jason,

because let me tell you,

I have churned butter in Girl Scouts and

also on a historical interpretation site,

like an old,

like we're living in the eighteen hundred

type of thing.

It takes a while is all I'm going

to say.

If this is a different show,

a different podcast,

I could be making some jokes about the

churning of butter.

Oh, for sure.

Yeah.

It's also funny.

Yeah.

But I'm not going to do that on

this podcast.

Just know that I could and I'm not.

Okay?

And I'm sure Smellin was happy to watch

Ellsworth and Julia churn some butter

together.

So it was weird.

I couldn't even focus on what was being

said during the butter churning because

it's

And, you know,

Elizabeth is famous for the physical

comedy.

And this was right up there because it's

Elizabeth who has no idea what to do.

She's got like she's got one like she's

put a leg up on the on the

turn, like trying to get into the turning.

It was very funny.

It was like, what is going on here?

Because we know that we don't care.

Preston Ellsworth love physical comedy.

This is perfect.

So I didn't write anything else about that

except this is weird.

So we then go over to,

after the churning of the butter is done,

Elizabeth goes over to the kids' table.

She's like, hey, oh my gosh,

you guys are drawing,

like you're drawing me,

you're drawing Simone.

Oh, this is great.

And she sees one of the pictures and

she goes, oh, what's this?

What's this?

And we talk about a lot of the

shapes that are being used.

She's like, the little boy goes, oh yeah,

mommy has us making molds of different

shapes.

This is a rectangle.

This is a square.

This is a heptagon.

Now I did not clock what this meant

as they were doing this.

At the beginning,

Elizabeth was recounting what this

cleaning pod came in,

and she could not remember the name of

the shape that came in.

So when she saw all of this,

and these were the molds that were being

used to teach the kids different shapes.

I even forget, what was it?

What type of shape was it?

It was a... It was a heptagon.

It was a heptagon.

Also,

can we talk about how these kids were

dressed?

i mean just straight out of the homage

country or something like it was yeah but

like one thing i do appreciate in terms

of what was said about trad wives in

this episode is this is happening in

brooklyn new york so yeah um when they

arrived at the when they arrived at

juliet's house in the first place

detective smolin was saying something

about like i can't believe there's a trad

wife here and juliet comes up behind him

and says

we don't have to all be in the,

you don't have to move to the country

to live your traditional values.

And I will say from a feminist

perspective, yes,

you can live wherever you want.

So that was like the only thing that

I was like, yay, drag lives.

But yeah, they're dressed like in these,

like these,

collars it's like really it's like yeah

like if you ever what or saw the

cartoon or comic of madeline the little

school girl like um outfits there but like

everyone's dressed up as them but yeah

like obviously these are some burlap sacks

that um that juliet made i don't know

if these were just like these are just

the clothes you draw in because i don't

we don't want to get our other clothes

maybe it was their socks maybe it was

their socks

Yeah, exactly.

Maybe it was.

That definitely hit me.

I was like,

this is straight out of Amish country

right here.

But yes,

so the little boy is talking about all

the shapes they make and these different

molds.

And he goes, this is a heptagon.

And Ellsworth goes, oh, okay, interesting.

Yeah.

This is gong number one.

And then gong number two,

where Ellsworth goes, huh,

what is this a picture of with this

funny little rectangle over here?

They go.

It finished, like,

it cut off in the middle of it.

It's a very long sound.

So there we go.

That was the second Eureka that Ellsworth

had.

I'm like, oh, this rectangle,

what is this?

Little boy goes, oh,

that's the stage that we built for the

chickens in the chicken coop.

Ellsworth goes, oh, okay, cool.

I'd love to see one of these chicken

shows.

Let me just tell you,

there's always a chicken coop.

Like a trad wife thing.

There's always a chicken coop.

I'd love to see one of these chicken

shows.

They bring Ellsworth out to the backyard

with a chicken coop.

Lo and behold,

the chickens ain't dancing right now,

but we zoom in and boom.

There's the hard drive in the chicken

coop.

The kids stole the hard drive to make

a stage for their chickens.

We don't see Ellsworth clocking it.

We don't see her being like,

oh my God, there's the hard drive,

but

Then it's time for the bust.

The family's taking this big family

picture.

Grant is here.

Grant does not want to be here.

He's like,

in typical trad husband fashion,

I don't think he wants much to do

with the family or the kids.

He just wants to, like,

get in there and get out.

And so we are here for family picture,

except for deservedly.

And Smollett and Ellsworth.

The person, the child.

The person, yes.

except for the child deservedly,

where for whatever reason,

Smolin and Elizabeth bring the child

deservedly over to the faint pictures.

Like, oh yeah, here's deservedly.

And they're like, oh, okay.

What are you doing here,

Elizabeth and Smolin?

Like, oh yeah, we got to talk.

Let's get the kids out of the room

and we're going to talk to you and

your husband.

And Elsa says, hey, guess what?

We found the footage.

It was in the chicken coop.

So we have the footage now.

They show Grant the footage of Juliet

freaking out about the large situation.

And he's like, you fed my boss pork?

oh my god and like yeah and she

killed audra because of it to shut her

up and audra not audra sorry juliet does

what all the suspects do now she basically

tells her herself she's like but she i

had to she was going to ruin everything

i was like okay well you just admitted

to murdering someone so you could you you

could have taken all the circumstantial

evidence i mean like

I don't know what to tell you.

It wasn't me,

but you just told all yourself.

And she has a freak out.

She's like,

you have no idea how much work it

takes to make everything perfect.

I had six natural childbirths.

I make natural toothpaste,

homemade clothes, homeschooling.

I do so much.

I just needed to take one small break.

So yes, I used lard.

And

Yeah, well,

this is where you find out that the,

this is where I found out,

the heptagon shape was the shape of the

tablet that Juliet gave to Audra.

It's like, oh, okay,

that's why the heptagon thing was such a

big deal.

And as Juliet's freaking out about,

you know,

her going to jail and how hard her

life has been, Elsbeth says, well,

you know,

the fact when you put out a narrative

that you're so perfect,

that like that you have this perfect life

that no one else could live up to,

that's the kind of stressors that you're

going to deal with.

I was like, oh, get her, Elsbeth.

Poor Grant.

He's like, what about these kids?

What are we going to do about these

kids?

Like, yeah,

because you have no idea how to take

care of kids because you haven't done it

yourself.

He's like,

who's going to take care of these damn

kids?

sure you'll hire someone grant i'm sure

you'll be i'm sure he'll find a triad

wife by the end of the week by

the end of juliet's first year of uh

incarceration he'll be married to a new

triad wife yes so that was the case

it was very like like i said some

stretches that were definitely made to

make this work um but a very kind

of straightforward case it wasn't too much

uh that went into this i thought no

i mean it was

social commentary e it was fun to see

uh anna camp per usual like at any

time i see anna camp i'm like oh

hey it's anna camp or there's like the

other person that looks like was it

britney snow there's another one there's

like they look very similar so anytime you

see anna camp i'm always like okay is

that anna camp

And then I'm like, oh yeah,

it's Anna Camp.

Which Pitch Perfect actress is this?

I'm like, okay, it's her.

Okay, sweet.

But yeah, the murder itself was pretty,

it was just okay.

I was excited by the other storyline that

we had going on to see some movement

here as well.

So we mentioned earlier that the B

storyline really got some focus here

because we were kind of continuing the

storyline of the aftermath and the fallout

of the Elsbeth-Alec relationship.

And one of the fallout things was the

fact that Wagner

When Alec and Elizabeth were going strong,

Wagner was getting considered for the

commissioner job if Alec had been elected

mayor.

But we found out through, not our Marissa,

but the good wife Marissa, that because,

you know,

seemingly because

Alec and Elsa didn't really work out.

Wagner was no longer considered for the

commissioner job.

It instead went to his nemesis, Tully.

So we opened this storyline with Tully

stopping by Wagner's office to kind of

just mess with Wagner a little bit.

He's like, hey, hey, yeah.

So I'm not here on a social call.

I'm here to tell you that, hey,

the budget is doing its budget stuff.

We're in trouble.

We need to make some cuts.

And so that means we need to get

rid of some people.

We need to make some changes.

And our buddy, Detective Buzz Fleming,

has reached retirement age.

So therefore, he's got to go.

It's mandatory.

It's not a choice.

We can't afford to really keep him on

his salary.

So he's got to retire so he can

take his pension.

And Wagner, he's like, okay,

that's not terrible because Buzz is always

talking about the fact that he can't wait

to retire.

He can't wait to take his pension.

He can't wait.

So this is fine.

I don't like you telling me that I

had to do it,

but I think Buzz will take this well.

And so Wagner.

Well, cause it's Buzz.

Okay.

Buzz has always been like, it's five PM.

Peace out.

Like he's not necessarily like someone

that, you know,

is hanging around the precinct, you know,

going that extra mile, things like that.

So Wagner's going into this conversation

thinking that this is going to be like,

a welcome message yeah this will be a

relief to buzz so wagner goes to buzz

he's like hey buzz guess what good news

you finally get to retire you are

retirement age uh tully said you gotta

retire but that's fine right because you

wanted to retire but it's like oh oh

yeah yep sure that's that's great yeah

finally finally get my hands on that

pension money it was so sweet he's like

he's like leaning up against a file

cabinet it's just like yeah i guess oh

yeah i guess i'll be finally be able

to do you know like going through the

retirement motion of acceptance and wagner

takes note of how buzz is kind of

bummed after you know he kind of leaves

the room and sees buzz kind of like

forlorn about this he's like oh damn i

thought he'd be happy

um and so buzz is in the precinct

he's like kind of regaling all the

officers with with these old stories

because i remember when this desk was

brought in here he's like he's he's kind

of has a crowd around him and uh

you can tell that everybody's not really

jazzed and enthused to be

Yeah, he's holding court, as they say.

Holding court to a court of unwilling

participants, it seems,

because Nikki and Ellsworth lock eyes,

and Nikki's like, please come save us.

Please come get Buzz out of here.

And Ellsworth does indeed come and pulls

Buzz for a little chat.

And so Buzz lets Ellsworth know, like,

hey, I'm being forced to retire.

And Ellsworth's like, okay,

but I thought that's what you wanted.

I thought that'd be a good thing for

you.

He's like, you know, actually, I really,

like,

I don't have much going on at home.

I got my wife,

but she doesn't want me.

She doesn't want me there all the time.

And I kind of need this place.

I love this place.

And I'll be really kind of sad to

lose my precinct family.

Well, and let me tell you,

as someone who has

watched her parents retire.

I did not realize how big of a

deal retirement was.

Like I, when I was, you know,

and still now, well, retirement is,

what is retirement for me really?

But when I thought I was going to

have a retirement plan,

Like this is going to be the happiest

time of my life.

Like this is going to be something that

I cannot wait to do.

But I haven't seen like just how much

like the routine and being with the people

and everything really impacts people.

So like it was really,

really hard for my parents.

And so Buzz is kind of anticipating that

it would be really hard for him as

well.

You know,

I would he's not it's not on his

choice.

He's I know there's like a union and

I know there's a decision and I like

all of this stuff,

but it doesn't change the fact that he

still is not choosing to do this.

It is just kind of what's happening.

Yeah, I think when you're in it,

when you think of it, you're like,

oh my God,

I can't wait till I don't have to

come to this place anymore.

I can't wait till I don't have to

deal with all this nonsense.

But then when it actually hits you,

like I had the same issue with my

mother who was a teacher and retired.

I was just like,

you kind of see where it's just like,

yeah, but that was my purpose.

Like that was my thing.

And now they don't have that thing.

Like, what do I do?

So, yeah, it's definitely, like,

a kind of a, like,

identity crisis when you lose that thing

you've been doing for decades.

You're just like, all right, so what now?

And that's kind of what Buzz is feeling.

Yeah.

For the older generations even more,

especially because they had, like,

one role for, like,

their entire career where –

us it's kind of like demolished a little

bit like there's different different roles

and for the generations younger than us

like who knows what what it's gonna look

like but yeah like your identity can get

tied to work really really easily even

like being unemployed it's like who am i

without capitalism

Yeah.

So Ellsworth goes to Wagner.

She's like,

is there anything you can do for Buzz?

Like, he's really bummed about this.

And Wagner's like, well, I mean, listen,

there's nothing I can do, Ellsworth.

It's a Tully thing.

And I can't do anything.

But I will see what I can do,

Ellsworth.

I'll see what I can do.

And so Wagner talks to Tully again.

He's like, hey,

can't we figure out any way to have

Buzz stay?

And Tully's like, nope, can't do it.

No one on the budget,

like I told you.

Can't help him out.

And Wagner and Tully start to reminisce

about their rookie years fighting over

assignments.

He's like,

you know how we settled things back in

the day?

We had a poker game.

And Wagner's like, exactly.

Let's do that again.

If I win more money than you in

poker, you let Buzz stay.

If I don't, then Buzz goes.

And Wagner tries like, well,

what's the matter, Tully?

You're chicken.

Which, you know,

like Marty in Back to the Future,

that's how you get to Tully, apparently.

I'm not calling him chicken.

Yeah.

Buzz is excited about this.

He's like, ooh, I'm the kitty.

I love that.

And Elizabeth reminds him, but Wagner,

you kept saying that every time you faced

him in poker, you lost.

Wagner's like,

this time's going to be different.

I can feel it.

It's like, okay, it's something.

So we get to poker night.

We kind of come in in the middle.

And Wagner, not doing great so far.

He's not looking good.

So we have, who's here?

We have Smullins here.

Buzz is here.

Tully's here.

Wagner's here.

Elizabeth's here.

And there's this other guy who is

apparently one of Tully's protégés.

And this guy apparently does pretty good

at poker most of the time.

It's like, okay, cool, cool, cool.

And he mentions, like,

one of his side gigs is he's a

magician.

So Ellsworth hears this, she goes, oh,

really?

Interesting.

And it's as if she walked into the

crime scene because she now has her little

premonitions.

And so Tully wins this hand of poker

that they're in.

It's like, uh-oh,

this is not looking good.

See you later, Buzz.

So then Ellsworth decides to pull Wagner

aside for a second.

She's like, hey, I think Tully's cheating.

It seems like Tully and the magician guy

are signaling to each other.

And they figure out, oh, the magician guy,

because he's a magician,

is used to card tricks,

so using sleight of hand to deal from

the bottom of the deck.

It's like, oh, okay, that's smart.

For me, for some reason,

it's very Cobra Kai coded.

I'm like,

there's a bad guy and a minion,

and they're talking to each other across

the thing.

The bad guy has silver hair.

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

Exactly.

And he's rich and there's money.

Yeah, exactly.

So it's like, okay, we figured him out.

And so Wagner makes everyone leave except

Tully.

He's like, all right, Tully,

I know what you're doing.

It's like,

if you don't give me what I want,

I'm going to tell everybody what you've

been doing all these poker games.

And so he kind of puts Tully in

a tight spot.

Tully is like,

has a vulnerable moment.

He's like, yeah, well,

you have always been, since we've been,

since our rookie years,

you have always been trying to outdo me,

and I just want the edge in one

thing.

Wagner's like, oh,

I might kind of feel bad for you

if you weren't such a jerk,

or something he says.

And so Wagner says, hey,

you let Buzz stay,

and I'll keep quiet about all your poker

cheating stuff.

And so Tully agrees to this.

They throw Buzz a non-retirement party.

And it was interesting because, you know,

Buzz makes this speech.

He talks about all the important people at

the precinct that mean so much to him,

including Elspeth.

And he says, especially, especially.

And he says,

Elspeth has made him a better detective.

was like oh wow like we don't we

don't really get this a lot like it

was interesting to hear buzz say what

what's been going on and we're like elsa's

made all of us a better detective right

because she comes in you can see you

can say she comes in and shows us

up well she shows us how to be

better investigators better detectives

like finally

some respect on all of his name.

I love that.

Yeah.

Like ask better questions,

notice things differently,

how to definitely manage and manipulate a

suspect.

That's for sure.

Yeah.

thought it was important that someone

actually said the quiet part out loud

elsa's making us all better at our jobs

and so yeah later elizabeth and wagner

elsa says hey like that's great everything

kind of worked out right well he's like

well i don't know if i'd say that

much because i i can definitely see till

they want payback for this so eventually

he's going to want his pound of flesh

it's like oh yeah that's true he's like

payback is coming payback is coming

We talked about the fact that I had

my theory of the widow Crawford becoming

mayor and making our jobs difficult for

our heroes,

but I guess Commissioner Tully is going to

do that instead of new mayor Winnie

Crawford, but that's fine.

Whatever.

Yes, so that was our episode.

Marissa,

do you want to tell the folks where

they can find you and what you're up

to?

Yeah, sure.

You can find me at ItsMeMarissaG.com where

I have links to all of the podcasts

that I'm on.

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So if you'd like to follow us over

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So like Jason was mentioning in terms of

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all of that stuff applies over to YouTube

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You can also find me on the Whirlwind

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and on the uss sisterhood talking with my

sister as we watch star trek the next

generation the school year is almost over

so we are going back to space sometime

soon uh it's been just a very busy

um season for my sister but we are

still making our way making our way

through space uh jason what's going on

with you

You can always find me on the A

Perfect Match podcast where me and Asia

Welch talk about the show Married at First

Sight.

We are on Patreon exclusively at the

moment as we are going through Married at

First Sight season twelve.

Really great season.

We have seasons eleven, ten, one.

We got a bunch of rewatches happening over

there.

So check me out over there on Patreon.

You can also check me out coming up

on the Crime Scene podcast where we talked

about season two of Worst Ex Ever,

which was...

crazy pants.

That was a crazy, crazy, crazy thing.

It's pretty messy.

It was a wild time.

Yeah,

that's pretty much where you can find me

for right now.

Until next time, stay good.