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Welcome to The Guri Show, your go-to podcast for retreat leaders, coaches, and transformation seekers who are ready to create thriving businesses while embracing self-healing, wellness, and personal growth. Hosted by Guri Kaur, this show is your space to learn how to design life-changing retreats, confidently sell your offers, and master the mindset shifts needed to create abundance and impact.
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Guri Kaur (00:01)
Hi Jen, I want to start, well first off I want to say I've been waiting for this moment for, since forever. And I want to really, I've been holding onto my excitement really because you're one of those people who I came across in the very beginning of my journey. Like when I started my digital journey, you're one of those people who I came across.
And I've been like really looking at your work and just your presence has inspired me so much, like social media presence. And I want to thank you so much for coming into my life. And I want to mention like really most people will find it silly, but for me, it's really, really, really, really like it's really close to my heart. I remember in the beginning, you know, years I went to your website.
and I saw these amazing pictures of you. And I was like, I need this kind of photo shoot. That used to be like aspiration for me. And at that point I was like, okay, for me those things, like they defined success. Like a great photo shoot defined success. Great photo shoot, great pictures defined magnetism.
Jen Casey (01:01)
Thank
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Guri Kaur (01:26)
And that's one of the reasons why we decided on this topic for today, like who is a magnetic coach and what makes them a magnetic coach. And now I don't know whether any of that really makes someone a magnetic coach or not, but for me it's a memory of you that I have of like me kind of meeting you for the first time digitally that I have that kind of changed my...
whole life wouldn't be like I know it might be cheesy but yeah I would still have to say that.
Jen Casey (02:01)
Well, thank you for sharing that with me. This is so cool to hear. And I think for everyone listening, it's a really powerful lesson in, I mean, there's so many layers to it. I don't know if there's one specific lesson, but yeah, just putting yourself out there, getting the photo shoot, choosing the up level, all the things like putting your best foot forward and really having your work reflect who you are and how you feel on the inside.
Guri Kaur (02:17)
Yeah.
Yeah, correct. And also I remember this, like it's kind of strange because this is the first time we're meeting like live. I remember I joined one of your programs also back, I don't know, 2019 or 2020. But the problem, I couldn't join any live session. So it was always me like watching recorded, you know, recordings. And so it's like special, today is special on that level also.
Jen Casey (02:40)
Yeah.
Guri Kaur (03:02)
Okay, so let's bring the spotlight on you now. I'd love to know your journey, like what brought you to doing the work that you're doing and what kind of work that you're doing and like yeah, what brought you here?
Jen Casey (03:07)
Yeah.
Yeah. So my journey with online coaching started in 2011. I call myself an accidental entrepreneur. I was in college. I remember having this like first moment of connecting with my channel where I was writing in my notes app on my phone and I just wrote the words, feed your soul. And it just didn't feel like I wrote it, but I didn't understand what that was at the time.
Guri Kaur (03:28)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Casey (03:48)
Now looking back, I'm like, OK, that was the first moment. And that sort of became this driving light, that one sentiment, that one statement. And I decided to go and pursue my acting career at the time. And that was when I first became an accidental entrepreneur and stumbled into online business for the very first time. I was doing health and fitness coaching.
Guri Kaur (04:05)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Casey (04:11)
And over the years that evolved into then helping other health and fitness coaches with their businesses and then business coaching and then really seeing some of the big gaps in the different communities that I was a part of as a young person, like trying to learn the ropes of online business. And again, back then we were all figuring it out. the so-called experts were also...
stumbling through, you know, what the evolution of social media was, what business was. Well, really what was a big turning point for me was this was probably in like 2016, 2017, I was holding space for really big groups doing business coaching, business strategy. And I started to see there was this really interesting gap that I had seen in other containers too. And one of the things that I
Guri Kaur (04:38)
Right.
Jen Casey (05:04)
will say I do well is pattern recognition. Like I could spot the patterns. I was like, okay, there's an interesting pattern here. And I was seeing that there were some people in the spaces, regardless of which group I was in, some people were really struggling. And they were in these like patterns of self doubt. And they just sort of embodied this energy of being the underdog because everybody else could see how much potential they had. Everybody else could see how brilliant they were, but they didn't see it for themselves. And
you know, how many pep talks are you going to give a person? Like, they're not, it's not sinking in, like we can say to them, but they need to feel it for themselves. And then there would be like the person who would come in as the cheerleader in a group, but they wouldn't necessarily take the space to go and work on their own stuff. They were just always like pouring into everybody else pouring. They were the awesome, like community manager, cheerleaders, those, you need those people in groups, right? And then there was like this smaller handful of people who just would take immediate action, who just
Guri Kaur (05:46)
Yeah.
Jen Casey (06:00)
could implement immediately and everyone else is going, how did you do that? And they're like, I don't know, I just followed the program. They're like, no, no, no, but what's your secret, man? Like, how'd you really do it? I'm telling you, I just followed the steps given to me. And then there was like the people who were like the lurkers who wouldn't turn on their cameras on Zoom or who wouldn't post, who would just read stuff. So I'm seeing like this really interesting spread. And at the time in the online space, there was kind of this attitude or this belief that if someone
Guri Kaur (06:05)
Yeah.
you
Jen Casey (06:30)
wasn't showing up, it was fully their responsibility. And yes, we want people to take personal responsibility for the things that they're creating in their lives. And I think there's more nuance to that. Because when you only say, well, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink, you're kind of absolving yourself as the coach or the content creator, the course creator of all responsibility of what you've promised someone. You've promised them you're going to support them to get them to, depending on the promise, right?
Guri Kaur (06:33)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Correct.
Jen Casey (06:57)
And so
I really saw that there was this, this problem, this gap. I became obsessed with learning about the subconscious mind and got certified and like that completely changed my life and was truly the missing piece. And after I started implementing all of the things that I had been learning and fusing them into my programs and leaving that all in, it was really crazy to see the one 80 and my clients were already getting really good results. So it was more that, that they were.
really integrated in what they were creating. Because like you can go and make a bunch of money, but if you don't feel safe with money, or if you are uncomfortable with the visibility, people would self-sabotage. So we give people results, but some people would self-sabotage. And now once I incorporate all the subconscious pieces, that is really where I started to see a huge shift in how my clients were showing up, how they were actually embodying the energy of the expansion that they were calling in.
Guri Kaur (07:34)
yeah.
Yeah, that's so good to hear that because, and I'm a hundred percent sure that it resonates with so many people out there. I was one of those people who wanted to do everything in the most perfect way, but still wanted to hide. And when it come to like showing up and really sharing what I know, or even like what I'm good at, I used to feel like, no, who am I to be doing this? Who am I to be doing this? Like, you know, even if it's like perfect to the D.
Jen Casey (08:10)
Hmm.
Guri Kaur (08:25)
I would still feel that somebody is going to find that mistake and it would make me feel horrible. That stopped me. And so probably like in our conversation, you're the best person to be talking about this. It's like if we could go into the details of how people can shift from that.
mindset. It took me a long time. And so, and I know there are so many people out there who could, who are still struggling with this mindset and could take measures to kind of come out of it. But before going into that, I would love to know like what, other than this, like what shifted, like was there a moment in your life where you felt that
Jen Casey (08:56)
Yeah.
Guri Kaur (09:10)
you're not good enough. And maybe you want to share some story where Utkada kind of changed everything for you. yeah.
Jen Casey (09:18)
Yeah. I mean, there, there's so many iterations of that.
So many iterations of that. mean, early on, back in probably the 2010s, I remember listening to a, audio program. This was before the days of podcasts that I had put onto my iPod Nano. And I went for a run and I remember listening to personal development and I would listen to personal development in the car here and there, but this was the first time I had it on a run. And I remember.
Guri Kaur (09:35)
Mm-hmm
Jen Casey (09:47)
there was something that the woman said that confidence is a habit. And that completely shattered my brain because my entire life, I believed that you either were born with it or you weren't. And I was categorized like, I definitely was born with this. Like I can do some pretty cool things, but I'm doing it shaking and terrified and, you know, having like fight or flight in my body and having to run to the bathroom. Like there was like some really, like I had like severe anxiety, severe anxiety, and like we'd get like almost panic attacks.
Guri Kaur (09:58)
⁓ yeah.
Yeah.
Jen Casey (10:16)
especially when I was in theater and I would go and audition and stuff. So this was like really affecting my life and I would go through this emotional rollercoaster and be like, my God, like how do people audition multiple times a week? I can barely get through one. Like I need to sleep for three days after. But it was because I was putting my body through such an intense experience because of all this unhealed like emotional trauma that I was holding onto, all these old stories and patterns. And...
So I listened to this podcast and said, confidence is a habit. It's just something that you have to build. And that completely shifted the way that I thought about self-esteem and showing up. actually for the very first time I stepped into being what we call at cause where I was like, I can take personal responsibility and I can make this change. I can actually take steps towards making this change. So that was a very empowering shift. That was pretty early on, but yeah, there was so many times where I was hiding and not showing up fully a lot of old stories and patterns.
Guri Kaur (10:50)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Casey (11:11)
uh, throughout the years around not feeling good enough. remember in 2017, I joined a mastermind with some pretty heavy hitters in the industry and I was like, how did I get this room? I don't belong here. And you were talking about perfectionism. I remember it was in Laguna beach. So I have very, very curly hair and I wanted to have like soft straight hair with like soft curls. Yes, I have banana curls. So being by the beach, it's like immediate humidity. So I remember just spending for
Guri Kaur (11:20)
Yeah.
Yeah, I remember that time.
Jen Casey (11:40)
ever in the bathroom that morning before the first day of the mastermind, just trying to make sure that my hair was perfect and that every cuticle was fully sealed and that heat had hit it so that it wouldn't fizz up. And I got there like, and I was like, I'm gonna get there early, I'm gonna get a good seat, all this stuff. And I showed up and there was only one seat left and it was at the table with, I won't name names, it was like, some people who you, I was like, this is a joke.
This has to be a joke. There's no way I can sit at this table. can't add anything to this. We would do like little round table hot seats. I was like, I can add no values to this table. You've got to be freaking kidding me. And I was scanning the room and felt like, you know, one of those moments in a movie where time stands still and you're, know, everything slows down. You're like, no, please let this not be true. But I was terrified to sit at that table because I was in such a place of, you know,
Guri Kaur (12:09)
Again.
Yeah.
Jen Casey (12:33)
What do I have to add? And also at that time I had just split up with a business partner. We had a very lucrative business and basically the person who was running the mastermind, I told them on our like intake call, was like, look, yes, I had this really big business and this is like rug pulled out from under me. The business no longer exists. So I'm rebuilding. And so, okay. But he had had a similar experience and was like, no, like I think you should still be in the group.
Guri Kaur (12:54)
Was it
the health fitness business or was it else? Was it the health fitness business or something else?
Jen Casey (13:00)
Osegen.
No, so was right after I transitioned out of health and fitness. I was a business coaching people in the health and fitness space, helping them with the technical things behind the scenes, building funnels. And then I partnered with someone and we ran a group program for like a year and a half, almost two years. And it did very, very well right out the gate. And yeah. And then that person decided they no longer wanted to be a coach and we canceled mid launch. This was brutal. Brutal. was terrible. I was like.
Guri Kaur (13:28)
my god, that's terrible.
Jen Casey (13:33)
I had to go through a lot of healing after that of just realizing what that dynamic actually was, how it was very unsafe, unhealthy, and yeah, just kept, coupings kept getting a little bit more distorted the longer I was in it. So when I left that dynamic, I had a lot of personal healing to do.
Guri Kaur (13:56)
Yeah, that kind of makes me think of like, what should people do or how should they come out of this pattern or window when they experience failed launches?
Jen Casey (14:12)
Well, that one was a
very successful launch. We had already secured $200,000 and we refunded $100,000 because it was $200,000 that would have been with payment plans. So that one's kind of a unique one. I've had other experiences where launches didn't go to plan. in terms of sitting with a launch, think number one is always feel your feelings.
Guri Kaur (14:23)
you
Jen Casey (14:38)
Your feelings are valid and you can have that disappointment. You can have that sadness. There's a lot in the online space of like, okay, just look at your data, look at your numbers and like, pick yourself up and wipe yourself off and do it again. It's like, yes, but there's also that first step of there's real feelings. And I think, you know, in the early days of personal development world and the online business world, it was very like masculine, very, ⁓ male led and through that lens.
Guri Kaur (14:46)
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's right.
Jen Casey (15:05)
It often ignored some of the emotional and energetic components of why a launch might not do well. And for me, I've watched so many people have very successful launches and launches that performed terribly, like not what they wanted at all. And it really, we, I think in my work as a coach, especially talking about being a magnetic coach, we cannot ignore the energetic and emotional components of what's happening in a launch and what's happening within us.
Guri Kaur (15:12)
Yeah.
Jen Casey (15:34)
And if you want your launches to perform even more, then that really is that foundational piece.
Guri Kaur (15:40)
Yeah,
okay, makes sense, makes total sense because, and I've observed that for myself, like I experienced a number of failed launches, but then when I started, like you said, feeling it and understanding, okay, you know, what's going on, you know, it doesn't seem like numbers are all the things that are making, you know, are behind the scenes. It's so much more, it's the energetics, it's...
really the energy with which I'm showing up and things that I believe in. And when that started to happen, when I started working on my own limiting beliefs, my own trauma, I started healing through my, you know, childhood experiences. That's when my energy shifted and the whole game shifted for me as well. Let's talk about energetics now. Like, what do you mean by when you say it's about the energetics? So what do mean by that?
Jen Casey (16:10)
Mm-hmm.
What I mean by energetics is your emotional state. So any emotion that we are in has a certain frequency to it. So I don't like to call emotions like negative or positive, but they are low vibrational or high vibrational frequencies that are within us. And when we have an emotion and just because something is a low vibrational frequency doesn't mean it's bad, doesn't mean it's wrong.
are here as human beings and we are given all of this range of emotional capacity because they serve a purpose. So if we are going through our day and we have an experience and we feel angry and we move through it and that's fine. But when we have sort of these bigger emotional experiences where maybe we're a young child and we experienced trauma, our brains are not cognitively developed enough to
Guri Kaur (17:05)
Yeah.
They're true.
Jen Casey (17:31)
process that emotion. And sometimes we're in environments where we have more severe things that are happening, where it truly is overwhelming to the body. And essentially on an energetic level, what happens is those energies get stored in the body. Because I think in a lot of like Western psychology, it's very much focused on the mind. But in a lot of the work that I do, and a lot of what I've studied, even the shamanic traditions, there's an energetic component to these things. And I do a lot of energy clearing work, things that activated for me.
couple of years ago. And yeah, there's things within our energetic fields that extend outside our physical body, as well as things in our bodies and in our organs that hold memory. And I've experienced this myself and I've watched it happen time and time again with, you know, friends and clients and colleagues. So when we are walking around with all of this, and are unhealed energetic baggage,
So we're holding in our womb that time that somebody crossed the boundary with us and it made us unsafe. In the liver, you're holding resentment for the time that X-Mines at your age. So we have all these different things that we're holding. And then we go to show up and say, I want to create an online business. Having an online business and showing up in launches is one of the best ways to uncover where you're still holding energy that's not processed.
Guri Kaur (18:55)
I 100 % agree this is
going to be the bull's-fave bit of this episode. Take away of this episode.
Jen Casey (19:00)
Hahaha
Yes, if you want to heal your ish, like, go do a launch and you'll see where stuff is.
Guri Kaur (19:07)
Yeah, everything will
come up. Everything. You'll see all your trauma in one go.
Jen Casey (19:12)
Yes. Like that one
time that kid was mean to you at recess. ⁓ that's that's in my left toe. Okay, like, why is my toe hurting? So is this
Guri Kaur (19:17)
Yeah.
It's
like the negative self-talk. And in our regular lives, it all goes unnoticed. during a launch, or even if you're trying to sell something on Evergreen or maybe trying to do a soft launch, that's the beautiful opportunity for you to of gauge into the negative self-talk and your limiting beliefs. So that for me, like you said,
Jen Casey (19:48)
Absolutely.
Guri Kaur (19:52)
go to a launch and see what all the stuff comes out.
Jen Casey (19:56)
Yep.
And it really shows us where our energetic capacity is, like what we are actually able to hold. And when I say hold, I mean also what we're able to receive. Because if we feel like I'm not good enough, I'm not worthy, nobody likes me, or things like it's not safe to be around women, maybe somebody got bullied by a bunch of girls when they were little. So they just repel wanting to work with women and yet they're trying to build.
Guri Kaur (20:17)
Yeah
Jen Casey (20:24)
a community online that's primarily focused on helping women achieve financial success. And then they're like, why isn't this working? And it's like, well, there is something energetically and emotionally that needs to be explored in order to be able to transmute that energy. And then once you do, your capacity expands, your capacity expands. And that is really how we achieve those next levels of abundance.
Guri Kaur (20:40)
Thank you.
Yeah. And do you think working on, do you think that's what makes a magnetic coach?
Jen Casey (20:56)
Yeah, mean, absolutely. I mean, it's interesting too, like there's some people who, you know, come into the space and they maybe didn't have a lot of trauma growing up or they didn't have certain stories. And those are the people who now, looking back, it's like, the ones who could just implement and they just took off. It's like, yeah, they were already.
Guri Kaur (20:56)
like working on your energetics.
Yeah.
Jen Casey (21:19)
in a very healed state, a very clean energetic state where they had really positive relationships, were able to receive, were able to show up for people. And everyone's gonna have the different things that they go through in life, like different kind of lessons, right? But yeah, the people who are truly magnetic are oftentimes ones who have been through some really difficult challenges and they've transmuted it. And it's actually their story of transmutation.
Guri Kaur (21:31)
Yeah, correct.
Yeah.
Jen Casey (21:46)
of being able to take something that was so terrible and so rough and so brutal and be able to come out the other side and say that was my greatest lesson and now I want to teach you about it. Oftentimes those are the people who become the most magnetic coaches because everybody goes through stuff and we want to learn from people who have been through something and they can teach us. Yeah.
Guri Kaur (21:55)
Yeah.
Yeah, correct. And
it also makes you, like you said, that you're not born with confidence. It's a skill set that you can build over time. just clearing your energetic, just clearing your aura, you know, gives you so much confidence. And I can tell you, I wouldn't have said it anywhere else, but because you're here today and it's a milestone for me, I wouldn't have had the confidence to even like message you on
Jen Casey (22:11)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Guri Kaur (22:34)
like up to four years ago. And I had it now because, and it just happened naturally. And so I didn't have to build that confidence. It happened naturally. I was like, I'm gonna reach out. You know what I mean? So I wanted to know what's your take on that. Like when you shift, when you clear your energy, does confidence come naturally or like do you still have to do something to achieve your goals?
Jen Casey (22:36)
Hmm.
That's a really good question.
you think, you still have to do something to achieve your goals? I would say yes. There's, I guess the something is kind of subjective. I think, you know, when we are trying to create something, especially when we get to these levels where we're creating something that's never been created before, there's a lot of different things at play, right? There is sometimes like the energetics of the surrender and the manifestation and the alignment with that. And then there's also the strategy and the steps. And I, when I teach like course design and program design, I really
Guri Kaur (23:09)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
yeah.
Jen Casey (23:36)
break down any transformation, anything where you're taking someone from point A to point B or where you are right now and where you want to go to, there's always going to be a conscious level of things and then a subconscious level. So the conscious level of criteria are all the tangible things that you're consciously aware of. So the steps, the, okay, I'm going to hire this person. I'm going to join this program, do these morning routines.
Guri Kaur (23:54)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Casey (24:03)
And then there's all the subconscious work that needs to be done in order to get to that point B of where you want to get to. And that's where a lot of people, early on, I realized a lot of people weren't doing that stuff, where it's all the belief work. So looking at your values, looking at your beliefs, looking at your identities, looking at your energetics, your emotional states, a lot of people don't realize where their emotional set point is.
Guri Kaur (24:30)
Yeah.
Jen Casey (24:31)
He
probably, everyone listening probably has an uncle or a family member who's just like the curmudgeon. They're really grouchy, grumpy person. And they're like, yeah, that's just his personality. And he's like, no, no, no, that's not somebody's personality. That's a pattern, right? That's something that they've done multiple times over and over. They're existing in this emotional state over time. And then it just becomes who they are, but it's not actually who they are. It's just how they behave and how they show up and where they energetically live.
Guri Kaur (24:40)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, that's correct.
Jen Casey (25:00)
And, you know, when we're looking at, okay, if you're working with a client who's in that place, and they want to feel joy and gratitude and abundance, well, how do you get them there? Well, we also need to look like, what are their beliefs? What are the stories? Like you were saying, what are the patterns? What are the things that are happening in their brains all day long? You know, do they have chronic pains in their bodies that no doctors can make sense of because energy is stuck in the body. And a lot of times when we are unintegrated in an emotion,
Guri Kaur (25:09)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Really.
Jen Casey (25:28)
For example, people had a client that said, well, I'm a happy person. I'm not an angry person. And they said, oh, that's interesting. So if you're not an angry person, you're a happy person, how do you experience anger? And she was like, what? Like, know, the short circuit. Yeah, if that's your story that you're telling yourself, then there's a good likelihood that you're not allowing a full expression of healthy anger to move through you.
Guri Kaur (25:36)
Yeah.
Yeah, would say.
Jen Casey (25:56)
So looking at those types of patterns, looking at values, like what is actually important to you and are you living in alignment with what is most important? Is family your number one most important value, but your whole life you've been putting money and career and your bosses needs over time? And then the identity work, like if you truly believe that you suck and you're no good,
Guri Kaur (26:10)
and other people's wish.
Jen Casey (26:22)
and nobody likes you, it's gonna be really hard to build a business that has community and has people giving you like reading testimonials because there's gonna be that cognitive dissonance where we have two conflicting beliefs within us, right? And so people don't, when they don't understand what those patterns are, I think it makes it a lot more difficult to kind of synthesize what's happening and people.
Guri Kaur (26:22)
you
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Yeah.
Jen Casey (26:45)
kind of just take a step back and go, I don't know what's happening. This is too much. And I get overwhelmed, which is understandable because when you don't understand what's happening within you, is, it can be overwhelming.
Guri Kaur (26:54)
Can we, yeah,
100%. That brings me to a question. Is there a way to identify that a pattern is like not working for me and that really it's a pattern? It's not like, yeah, because for many people who are listening and in general, sometimes it's difficult to catch that it's a pattern that I need to change. So is there a way we can identify that this is something that's holding me back?
And this is what I need to change for better impact and better wealth and confidence.
Jen Casey (27:29)
Yeah, this is a really good question because you're right. Sometimes people are in patterns you might see. It's easier to see when it's outside of you, when it's your stuff. Sometimes it's harder to spot. But when it's someone else, you're like, wow, how do they not realize that? How do they not see that? Gosh, they're just in this loop or they're in this like unhealthy relationship or, you know, they're abusing their body or whatever it is. So I think with any kind of pattern, the person has to be ready and willing to look at it.
Guri Kaur (27:33)
Yeah.
Yeah, that's step one.
Jen Casey (27:58)
So there's one of the things,
yeah, like, so there is that piece of like, you can lead a horse to water, like you can, people do interventions and things like that, but until the person is truly ready to make a change and they're truly done, like truly done with how they've been living and they're ready to walk through that doorway and choose something new, we can't choose that for someone else. So I think that's the first piece of.
Guri Kaur (28:04)
you.
Yeah.
you
Jen Casey (28:26)
We can support someone, we can highlight certain things. If it's a safe person to talk to about things that are happening, I know sometimes people try to address certain patterns with abusive parents or partners or things like that, and things don't always go super well. If you're in a dynamic with a narcissist or somebody who's just takes every piece of feedback as a personal attack and they get defensive. But if there's pieces within yourself where you're saying, okay,
I've been living my life and I'm not experiencing the joy and abundance and fulfillment that I actually want. There's probably some patterns and some things that are happening within you that are not aligning with that desire. And anytime we go and sit down and set a goal, that's another place where we can look at, okay, well, who do I need? It's not just like, what do I need to do to get there? Because that's where most people stop. That's sort of like the conscious mind question. What do I need to do to get there? But the subconscious pieces, who do I need to become?
Guri Kaur (29:18)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Casey (29:25)
What does that goal demand of me? What does that require of me? And am I willing to make those sacrifices? Am I willing, like, am I able to step into that awareness and acknowledge that there's going to be a cost? And anytime someone sets a goal, say, you know, it's not just, I'm not saying a financial cost. I'm talking about, are you willing to let go of your old stories? Are you willing to adopt new habits and behaviors? Are you willing to stop old habits and behaviors that are not in alignment with that new goal? Right? So there's a whole list of things that
Guri Kaur (29:27)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jen Casey (29:53)
can kind of untether just from that one question.
Guri Kaur (29:54)
Yeah.
And does this also mean like questioning your behavior? Like is my behavior correct or aligned with what I truly want in my life? So like you said that you want to be, you're here but you want to be somewhere else. And so like tapping into that identity. And then you said that step one is kind of be willing to like say no to what you don't want and like be done with it. And you want to
Jen Casey (30:05)
Mm-hmm.
Guri Kaur (30:25)
you know, like really change your life. The step two means questioning your behavior or like, yeah, how does, how would you put it?
Jen Casey (30:36)
Yeah, so I think thank you for giving that a clear step to when we look at like how we get to a certain result, if we walk it backwards, whatever that goal or that desire is, we go, okay, or even some result that we don't like, like, I'm putting I put on 30 pounds, I don't like that. Okay, well, how did we get there? Let's walk it back. Well, the first thing we look at is behavior. What are the things that we were doing, we're not doing that got us there.
Guri Kaur (30:55)
and
Jen Casey (31:02)
And then if we take one step back beyond, before behavior, we want to look at our emotional states. And from our emotional states, those are influenced by our thoughts and also from our...
Guri Kaur (31:07)
Mm-hmm.
great.
Jen Casey (31:18)
physiology. So how are we carrying ourselves? What's happening physically in our bodies? And if we walk the physical state one back, that's when we actually end the thoughts that we have. Once that back, we can look at what are our filters. So what are our beliefs, our values, our identities, our mood when we made certain decisions. So we can kind of look at all of these different things that are actually the filters of our reality because
Guri Kaur (31:35)
you
Jen Casey (31:41)
At any point in time, we're being given so much information, so much input, and there's things that we're deleting, distorting, and generalizing. So there's a couple of different numbers that get thrown out, but the contrast is what's more important. So the idea is that we are taking in 2.3 million bits per second of information, but we are only actually able to consciously filter 126 bits per second.
So huge difference. And so our subconscious mind is absorbing and taking in everything, but we're only consciously able to absorb a limited amount. And so how do we choose what 126 bits of information to focus on? It's through our filters, through our values, our identities, our mood, our location, all these different things. So that's what's filtering it down. So when we can actually walk it all the way backwards to the root cause of, okay, well, how are we filtering the world?
That is going to give us a lot of insight as opposed to where most people stop, which is only looking at and working on behavior, but that's only the conscious level of what we can measure, what we saw that we did or what we remember happening.
Guri Kaur (32:48)
So let's take this cycle of whatever you want to call it to a person who wants to become a magnetic coach or magnetic course creator, magnetic entrepreneur, whatever identity they want to define for themselves. Could you give us an example of how that would look like for a person who feels they're not magnetic and
Just an example, like anything that's coming up for you and how the journey would look like for this person from like, I'm not magnetic to, okay, I'm getting where I want to be.
Jen Casey (33:32)
Totally. Yeah,
so if somebody was saying that they were, that they didn't feel like a magnetic coach, but they wanted to become a magnetic coach, as you know, I run a coaching certification. So this is very similar to the journey that a lot of them are going on, right? They come in and they're going, well, I'm already working with clients and I really want to take my clients deeper. I want to do that with safety and integrity, but I don't know how.
Guri Kaur (33:43)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jen Casey (33:56)
So when people say things like that, I go, okay, there's like some belief work, some identity work, but also like skill level work where they just are kind of getting to a certain point in the dynamic and not really knowing what to do next. And then there's other people who are like, I'm so scared to join a certification because I don't think I can be a coach and they haven't even started yet. And so for them, there's a lot more oftentimes emotional stuff that's coming up around just, you know, fear and doubt and imposter syndrome.
And then there's some people who already have very, successful businesses with big teams, but they're also seeing that, you know, as a CEO and as a leader and to just, especially with the introduction of all this stuff with AI, I feel like a lot of courses right now are getting like, everybody's got a course and AI can build you a course in five minutes, but how do you take it to the next level? Like how would you deliver and in a way that's human and real.
Guri Kaur (34:38)
Yeah.
Jen Casey (34:51)
So it's like, that's really where this I think comes into for a lot of people who are kind of asking these questions. So if we're looking at like, what does it look like to become a magnetic coach? I think for everybody, they might have a different what's called an internal representation. So different picture in their head when we say the word magnetic coach. So as you're thinking about that picture in your head of maybe somebody you follow or like who you consider to be a magnetic coach, there might be some things that you look at in terms of their behavior. And there might be some things that see on social media that they're doing every day.
Guri Kaur (35:08)
Yeah.
Jen Casey (35:21)
But there's probably also some things that you're not seeing. But you can also ask yourself, are the things that I would need to do every day in order to be a genetic growth? What are the benefits? What is the daily structure? What are the choices? And then we can go back further and say, OK, well, if the...
behaviors maybe are like waking up at a certain time and moving your body even just for 10 minutes or journaling for 10 minutes. Those are some common ones. So that might be something that you choose to do if it feels right for you. If it doesn't feel right for you, then maybe don't do it. I know a lot of the old school mentality around having a very early morning and a very structured day that just.
Guri Kaur (35:55)
Thank
5 a.m.
Jen Casey (36:03)
Yeah, the 5 a.m. I'm like, that's just not ever gonna be for me. Like, it's just not for me. And that's okay. I've had to like, you know, find my way through that because I was told that is the only way to be successful. And this just doesn't fit for me. It just doesn't, it just doesn't energetically align. So I think there is some trial and error that sometimes goes into this process of discovery of what's actually right for you. Because someone else is going to give you their whole system and strategy.
And it works for them, for their unique life, for their unique blueprint, for their unique needs. So it's about figuring out what feels right for you. And then really starting to look at your emotional states. So if you're saying that you want to call in massive abundance, but you live in a chronic state of worry or anxiety or self-doubt, then those are some things like, okay, what is, like Tony Robbins says, like, what is your emotional home?
Guri Kaur (36:58)
you.
Jen Casey (36:58)
If you were to go around and ask all of your friends and family if they were truly to be honest with you and you were to say, what is the one energy, like emotional state that I live in, what would it be? That is a confronting question to ask, but it'll give you a ton of insight. And again, people are also filtering you through their filters. So it might not be completely accurate, right? It's their deletions, distortions, and generalizations. Right, like it doesn't mean that's who you are.
Guri Kaur (37:19)
That's the disclaimer.
Jen Casey (37:25)
That's the whole point of this is that it's not who you are. It's just a pattern. So, you know, like when I was younger, especially in the early days of online business, I lived in those patterns of uncertainty and fear. And I spent most of my day like worrying, is this going to work? Is this not going to work? Is this going to work? Is it not going to work? And then as I started doing more healing work and clearing dirt and things, then the question became, how do I make this better? How do I make this better? How do I make this better? Which
Sounds like it should be a better question, but the energetic state from which I was asking that question was still doubt and uncertainty. Because it still wasn't enough. noticing the questions that you ask yourself is really, powerful as well. So that's kind of connected back into the thoughts that we think and the questions we ask.
Guri Kaur (38:02)
Yeah, correct.
Yeah, I'm
literally losing track of the conversation. I'll tell you why, because the things that you're saying kind of like making me think towards those things. And I'm like, OK, but I need to come back to where I am in the conversation. You know, what's the question? Yeah, exactly. I'm like, OK, am I like, did I answer a question?
Jen Casey (38:21)
Yeah.
You're like, what are the questions I
Yeah, well, honestly, that's a powerful one, too. I had a client once. We were on a coaching call and she was like, you know, I can't grow my business and I really want to like become this like magnetic coach. And what do I do? And I just feel so stuck in my life. And she was working all day long babysitting and it was like super exhausting. like three kids or something like that. And so she was working all day and needed the money to fund her business, but didn't have time to do it. So she was in this loop of I need more time, but I need more money, but I need more time, but I need more money.
Guri Kaur (39:06)
Yeah.
Jen Casey (39:07)
And she said, you know, I'm just there doing the babysitting and every day I just think to myself, what are you doing with your life? What am doing with my life? What am doing with my life? And then she just kind of continued talking and ranting. And I went, hold on, can we pause every second? I said, let's rewind the tape. What's the question you asked yourself? And she's like, what? Like, you know, people are in their process. They're just flowing. They don't always realize what they say. So what's the question? And she's like, oh, what am I doing with my life? And I said, yeah, how often are you asking yourself that? And she was like, oh my God, all day, every day.
Guri Kaur (39:20)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jen Casey (39:36)
And I said, what emotional state are you in when you ask that? And she was like, oh my God, total depression and disempowerment and like anger and frustration. And I said, when you ask yourself that on a subconscious level, you're not consciously where you're asking yourself that or saying that question. How are you responding? And then took her moment. She had to like actually think about it. She said, well, when I say, what are you doing with your life? Nothing. You're a failure. You're a loser. Right? So she just became like super aware that this was just like a broken record playing in the back of her mind all day long.
Guri Kaur (39:36)
and
Jen Casey (40:06)
every day and her trigger point was going into that job that she didn't like. But she wasn't aware of that. And as soon as she shifted that, it was like a huge transformation for her, a huge pivotal moment, because she decided to actually start listening to personal development when she was there. she would catch that question and she'd change it and she'd ask a different question. So part of the early days of stepping into becoming your most magnetic self, really being in that early healing stage, I don't know if you would
can relate to this or experience this as well. But I'm like, I just felt like I was playing whack-a-mole in the early days of healing, where it was like, you'd catch that question, you'd catch that old thought, no, no, cancel, clear, delete, cancel, clear, delete.
Guri Kaur (40:43)
Yeah. There's an interesting
thing that I do, and that has worked really well for me, is I don't know if you're, I'm sure you're aware of it, but asking yourself, what do I want? And then like, okay, what are all the reasons why I don't have it right now in my life? And that reveals so much that doesn't even like every day.
Jen Casey (41:04)
Hmm.
Guri Kaur (41:12)
I don't see it in everyday life, but the moment I ask myself that question, so much is revealed. And I like to call it like blind spots. And then that's where I start questioning, okay, is this what I believe about myself? And I'm saying I want it, I want it, but look at it, I myself don't believe that I can get it. And then kind of working on those beliefs or patterns or whatever, that worked really well for me.
And it's of different for everybody, but listening to you, I got this thought that let me share what works for me as well.
Jen Casey (41:49)
Hell yeah. No, I love
that. That's super powerful. Yeah, we got to like, you know, as we're going through their like own healing journeys, because that's really what all this is, right? Like you're like, I want to be, especially being a coach. Someone wants to be a magnetic coach. It's about, you know, doing work that's based in service, that's holding space for others, that's supporting others. I mean, we kind want to be that version. It's like, it starts with you. It starts with you healing and clearing and doing your own work so that you can hold
Guri Kaur (42:00)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Casey (42:19)
less triggered, like people get triggered by their clients. It's like, well, if you're getting triggered by your clients, there's something there for you to heal. So the more that you're able to heal, the more you're able to process things in your own life, it's going to make it easier to hold a variety of different experiences for others. That's, that's one of the things.
Guri Kaur (42:37)
And that's what makes
you magnetic. It's not like a magic wand or something. It's not a photo shoot. Yeah, totally. Yeah, correct. So do you think once we change our energetics or everything that we discussed up until now, all of that kind of impacts
Jen Casey (42:44)
Yeah. Not photo shoot. It's not a million dollars, like money, like, you know, doesn't solve-
Guri Kaur (43:06)
the amount of impact that we create in the world and the amount of wealth that we can generate or we can receive. And yes, we talk a lot about confidence as well. But like, just wanted to like also touch upon wealth and impact.
Jen Casey (43:21)
Hmm. Yeah, I mean, I think the I call it like clean energy when you come in into a space and you just have really grounded, really clean energy where you're not holding on to all the energetic baggage. And maybe you're just like you're eating really clean. You're taking care of your body. You're prioritizing yourself. Yeah, yeah, it's like, you know, mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually, when all of those things are
Guri Kaur (43:27)
Mm.
I love the word clean energy.
Jen Casey (43:51)
or like clean, like people can feel that. People go, wow, you have really grounded energy. Oh, you're really present. And they don't understand like how you did that. They're like, how are you so present? How is it that when I'm with you, I feel so held by you and I feel like you're really listening to me. And there is aspects of that, know, from having a certification, but is a skill that you develop knowing what to watch for, knowing how to respond, what language to use.
But really the biggest piece is the energetics of really knowing how to hold that space. And it truly starts with being able to have that stillness within yourself. And that comes from doing all the clearing and realigning work for your own patterns.
Guri Kaur (44:32)
All right,
Can anybody be a magnetic person?
Jen Casey (44:41)
See you.
my God, yes. I mean, all of this healing stuff is truly a process of remembering who you actually are. Because all the stuff that we're talking about, like shifting these beliefs and these identities, that's all the crap that you picked up along the way. That was other people's unhealed projections and unhealed stories and also like society and, you know, all the exposures that we have, especially when we're younger.
Guri Kaur (44:47)
you
Mm-hmm.
Jen Casey (45:15)
this process of like becoming a magnetic coach or just becoming the best version of you, the most happy and fulfilled version of you. It's truly about dropping all the stuff that isn't even yours and remembering who you actually are and remembering your power and claiming your power. That's what it's about.
Guri Kaur (45:34)
That's so strong. I wonder like for me, the biggest thing, like biggest shift happened in my life was when I accepted my flaws and when I accepted myself, like, okay, and I'm still on this journey, know, new things reveal themselves. Like, really when I started like, except okay, this is me and
Jen Casey (45:47)
Mm.
Yeah.
Guri Kaur (46:02)
I still get to be here, I still get to show up just the way I am. And I'm enough just the way I am. That's when things started to really shifting for me. So I wanted to ask you, what was this one thing that made the difference for you? And I'm sure that you've done a ton of healing work, but one thing that kind of like, oh, this is the most life-changing thing for me.
Jen Casey (46:29)
I'm like, oh my gosh, there's so many. Well, and before I answer that, I would love to just add as well to what we were previously talking about. To be a magnetic coach doesn't mean that you're completely healed. That's not the criteria. So I just want to say that too, because sometimes you will go, well, I to wait till I'm fully healed, well, then I'm fully cleared and I have like all of the things and I have no limiting beliefs left and before I can show up and that could not be further from the truth.
Guri Kaur (46:37)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
you
Jen Casey (46:54)
could not be further from the truth. Whoever you are right now, however you're showing up, it's all a process, it's all unfolding. Every single time you clear something else, you're gonna meet a new version of yourself, a new iteration of yourself, and that is part of the human experience. That's just what you're here to do, and that is gonna be healing for other people in and of itself. And there was a friend, she had written this book, and she'd been writing it for three years, and she didn't like that, the way that her...
Guri Kaur (47:04)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jen Casey (47:20)
The earlier stuff she wrote she was like, this doesn't sound like me anymore and her editor was like But it might be exactly what someone else needs like that might be the medicine that someone else is going through something and you were in it and the way that you spoke to it and the way that you wrote it is they need three-year-old the three-year back version of you not the version of you now, she was like, ⁓ okay, so she gets to like, know have this whole like extended process, I think so I want to say that in terms of you know being in a place where
Guri Kaur (47:37)
Yeah. Yeah.
What's the name
of the book again? The name of the person,
Jen Casey (47:49)
book. I don't think she published it yet, Celine, but she didn't she didn't publish the book yet. Yeah,
so it's not out yet. ⁓ and sorry, can you repeat your question that you had?
Guri Kaur (48:00)
Oh my god, I have to remind a bit. I was like, what's the one thing that for like for me when I when I accepted myself like when I accepted my flaws. Just give me a second. You keep going. I just have to plug my charger in. So what was it for you?
Jen Casey (48:11)
Yeah.
I would say one of the biggest shifts for me was actually when I started working with plant medicine, when I started working with ayahuasca and mushrooms that has profoundly changed my life and has been a catalyst for so much spiritual awakening, such a deeper lens of awareness in what it actually looks like to heal. And certainly from the energetic lens.
Guri Kaur (48:42)
Yeah.
Jen Casey (48:48)
what that feels like. Back in early early 2020, March 2020, I had an experience where my energy gifts awakened, where I can literally sense and I've always been able to feel other people's energies, but actually understood how to move it and how to help people transmute it. So that was a huge breakthrough and a couple months before that was the first time I sat with Ayahuasca and I cleared so much from my body.
that was so unbelievably profound and that truly like set up the next experience where I was like, had these awakenings and like every experience has just unfolded more and more and more over the years. And yeah, that was truly a huge turning point for me in my life.
Guri Kaur (49:28)
Do you want to maybe talk a little bit more about that? Because I've done mushrooms and one thing that shifted for me after that experience was that I became emotionally vulnerable. Like I almost instantly got this ability to express my emotions, whatever emotion was that. Even if it was anger, everything, every stuck emotion came onto the surface.
easily. So that happened for me. I didn't go for ayahuasca. Like I would love to know like what happened, what was your experience?
Jen Casey (50:05)
Yeah, so there's so many layers. they're both can be like similar medicines in some ways. The mushrooms are definitely a bit more playful and there's many different types of mushrooms and different types of ayahuasca.
Guri Kaur (50:11)
Yeah.
Jen Casey (50:23)
with the mushrooms, they're a little bit more playful, a little bit more silly with ayahuasca, the more of the focus is around purging and the purgative qualities. So when you're, when you're working with that medicine, you know, you're, seeing people run to the bathroom or purge by throwing up. So you're releasing energy that way and whatever sort of, at least the way I experienced it, the way others have experienced it. When you're with the medicine and you're feeling, ⁓
Guri Kaur (50:32)
Okay.
Jen Casey (50:52)
This was more so early on, especially when I had a lot more stuff to clear. You you just sort of like all of sudden you're feeling like this physical density and you're like, everything hurts. This sucks. my God, why is this so miserable? You're just kind of like in your suffering and you start getting clarity, right? Maybe some people get more body experiences. Some people get more pictures. Some people will hear things. I get everything. I'm like feeling everything within myself and everything that's in the room. I'm very, very open, very sensitive. And
Guri Kaur (50:56)
Yeah.
Okay.
Jen Casey (51:21)
Yeah, for me, I remember that first experience. We're in Costa Rica and we sat for four nights in a row, which is a ton of medicine to do in a very short amount of time. A lot of ceremonies back to back to back. So, you know, that's not something I really do anymore, but I will say like that was kind of what I think.
Guri Kaur (51:29)
Yeah. Yeah.
Jen Casey (51:39)
needed for that first experience because it just you know by the third ceremony I was so freaking fatigued so exhausted so all the resistance all the holding like I just had enough I had enough no strength left to like resist so I just had to surrender to the process and that third night I had a huge huge breakthrough clearing sexual trauma from my womb clearing self-hatred I mean my bucket was full of puke it was filled to the brim and
Guri Kaur (51:40)
Thank
Thank
Jen Casey (52:07)
You know, a of times when we talk about like, you know, purging with ayahuasca people, like, I don't want to throw up. It's not like throwing up normally. It is literally an energetic purge. So I could feel this like demonic energy in my womb and the medicine, I could feel it like compressing around that energy in my body and quite literally snaking it up my body through my esophagus and out of my mouth. So when you're purging, you're actually releasing the energetics.
Guri Kaur (52:29)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jen Casey (52:35)
of
what it is. And so as I started working with the medicine and some amazing shamans and facilitators, that really was a huge turning point for me because actually that night when I purged up this whole thing around like sexual trauma, which I had never really mentally categorized as a sexual trauma, was like, I know, that's not what happened, you know? But my body, my body categorized it that way. And I had no idea.
Guri Kaur (52:55)
I'm done.
You got it?
Yeah.
Jen Casey (53:04)
And I would like, so you can almost speak with the medicine, right? Some people can. And so I was like, what was that? Like, I don't understand. And I literally looked in my bucket and somebody was like, when you work with it, like ask your bucket, what are you? So I'm looking in the bucket and I said, what are you? And I could just see that it like this, whatever it purged up became a demon face, right? So then I was like, what the fuck? Like, what is this? And it was like from like my teen years, like somebody who crossed boundaries with me and
Guri Kaur (53:11)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Casey (53:31)
I moved this out of my body and I had this huge release. was wailing, crying, seeing how I wasn't really held by anyone in my life. I had no one to go to. It was a very confusing experience. I didn't really understand what was happening. And yeah, I had this whole clearing around that. And then I was holding myself. felt the medicine holding me. So I really had this huge experience of like being mothered through that. And yeah, it was really, really fascinating to...
to understand and feel how the energetics live in the body and what the message that I got from Ayahuasca was that I Could have done 40 years of therapy and I would not have touched that it was so like unconscious at such a level and That I was like, but I don't understand like I thought I had processed like that relationship that experience that you healed it in your neurology But you didn't clear from your body
Guri Kaur (54:10)
And it wouldn't have worked out so true.
Mm.
Jen Casey (54:27)
Holy shit, like I didn't understand that back then. Like I had come from a like Western psychology background, know, loved all the like mental processes and I still do and I teach them and they're fascinating and they're so helpful and they're so powerful. And I truly believe that many of those things and understanding those tools and modalities really prepared me for my body to clear those things. Because I guess I was like, I don't understand, what is this? Like I didn't have any like emotional attachment to it.
Guri Kaur (54:51)
And that's just from.
Mm-hmm.
Jen Casey (54:55)
because or like mental attachment to it because I was like, I already healed that. I don't get it. Why is that even still here? But it was like, I didn't clear it from my body. I didn't release it. So that was a huge breakthrough. And then after that happened, then I worked with other medicine and like had this huge awakening of energy gifts and sort of very synchronistically ended up working with someone. I didn't even know that my energy gifts would work off of like not working with medicine.
Guri Kaur (55:05)
Thank
Jen Casey (55:20)
and really help somebody heal this and clear this huge sexual trauma from their life and from their body and their first partner orgasm that they had ever had, even though they're married with two kids. And it was like this huge thing. I was like, my God, this thing is like really real. Like this is insane. So that was a lot for me to process and integrate literally March of 2020. That was right when the world shut down, like the next day, like after I had all these big experiences.
Guri Kaur (55:39)
Yeah.
I know,
I hear you and I know that there's so much that we have to like work on and going back to what you said before that it's not like healing is a phase and it's over and we are clear. You know, it's a life journey. It keeps happening, stuff keeps coming up. One thing that helped me through my medicine experience was when I started seeing these demon faces, I was like, what's coming up is clearing.
Jen Casey (55:58)
Mm-hmm.
Guri Kaur (56:13)
when I was kind of resisting what was going on, it just became, it started controlling me and overpowering me. But I had to, in order to let go, I started saying I was coming up with sparing. And almost instantly, it would just disappear. And I knew something from my body went away. Like something cleared. That helped me. But like, I'm still waiting for the time where, like I'm still kind of
Jen Casey (56:35)
Mm-hmm.
Guri Kaur (56:43)
I'm not sure whether I'm going to do it again or if, when, I don't know, I'm not putting any thoughts. But do you think everybody needs a plant medicine experience to kind of step into their magnetic self or higher self or like some people say this is a fast track to topic into a different identity? What do you think about it?
Jen Casey (57:11)
Yeah, that's a good question. I don't think plant medicine is necessarily meant for everyone. I truly believe, especially with ayahuasca, like she calls you. She calls you. Like you will have dreams with her. You will just be thinking about it constantly. She truly calls you to that space. you know, in, in...
Guri Kaur (57:17)
Yeah.
Jen Casey (57:35)
those communities, there might be times where somebody like forces a significant other to come with them. And that person has like a weird experience or not the experience they want it because they weren't ready for that or it wasn't the medicine for them. I think, know, when we're when we're doing medicine work, one of the biggest lessons that I've learned just in terms of like, you know, other people maybe being interested about it, it's like
You just embody the medicine. Like you're working with the medicine, you've ingested the medicine. The medicine is at such a high vibrational frequency that the more you work with it or the ways in which you work with it or the way you're connecting with it, even when you're not consuming in ceremonial space, like you literally become the medicine. You become allied with these spirits, with the mushrooms, with ayahuasca, with whatever medicines you're working with and they become your allies. And so when you're, you know, especially if you're doing more spiritual work,
Guri Kaur (58:05)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jen Casey (58:32)
when you're in those spaces and you're supporting others, it's... Yeah, it's truly... Like you were just able to hold the light. You're able to like pure love consciousness and people can feel that. And some people will say to you like, whoa, what have you been doing? Like your energy is so different. Wow, you just seem so like, I don't know, like just being around you. And it's like, yeah. And like some people will ask and some people want to know and they're interested and want to be part of it.
Guri Kaur (58:44)
and
Yeah.
Jen Casey (59:01)
And I don't think it's necessary for everyone to sit with those medicines. It's like, if you're the person that's gonna sit with those medicines and that's part of your path, then you're able to like bring back what you've learned and what you've experienced and use those in your teachings and share those things with the world. there's so many ways we can work with these medicines and honor them.
Guri Kaur (59:20)
So I'm glad
we touched upon that because, know, I don't want listeners to, well, I'm not the one deciding for them. They're the ones deciding for them. Like still, I don't want to give that message that this is the way, you know? And so kind of wrapping up and going back to what we were talking about, like, if you were to like summarize everything and want to give your biggest takeaways.
What would those three points be? Then we'll go back to, not go back to, but then we touch upon a little bit upon your program because I'm curious about it, your certification.
Jen Casey (1:00:04)
So you're saying three points from this whole conversation?
Guri Kaur (1:00:06)
Yes.
Or to put it simply, what are the three things that somebody can do today in order to raise their magnetism?
Jen Casey (1:00:20)
three things you can do today to raise your magnetism. Hmm, ask your body, body, what do you need? Listen to your body and begin to cultivate that relationship with your body. There are some people that they'll put their hand on their heart and they literally cannot feel their heartbeat because they don't have interoceptive awareness. So it is a process, it is a tuning.
And some of us, especially in Western societies, have really disconnected from the body. We've overemphasized mental processes in the mind. So just know that like wherever you are and wherever you're meeting your body today is just perfect. And it's the only body you've got. And your body's holding so many messages and so much wisdom for you. So number one, like tuning to your body. And as you tune to your body, you'll notice number two, like what emotions are there, what emotional states are present, what's been there that you haven't been ready to look
Guri Kaur (1:01:00)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jen Casey (1:01:15)
that maybe you're ready to look at and finally get support to alchemize some of those things and process those things because you don't have to do it alone. You can. You don't have to. You can absolutely get support and have space held for you.
Guri Kaur (1:01:24)
Yeah, correct.
Jen Casey (1:01:32)
Number three, really, if you're if you're wanting to become magnetic, like figure out what that means for you. Right. This is we're saying I'm a magnetic coach. This is identity level work. So what does that mean for you? For some people being a magnetic coach, they're like, oh, I want to have a really fancy car and really fancy bags. For other people, they're like, I want to like being a magnetic coach for me means like sitting in the jungle of Peru with ayahuasca and like studying with indigenous tribes and, you know, dedicating myself to a
Guri Kaur (1:01:40)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jen Casey (1:02:02)
life of service. And for other people, they're like, I am just like a regular person. And I, you know, like, I'm just a girl next door kind of thing. So you have to figure out like, what does that look like for you? You know? And, and once you get clear on what that version of you actually looks like, you're gonna have so much more alignment. Because when we're saying, you're putting on our vision boards, I had a client once who was like, you know, putting coach bags and five star hotels, and she's like, No, I want to like,
Guri Kaur (1:02:13)
What does that mean for you? Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Jen Casey (1:02:31)
go back to my home country and build schools and really create community there. And I don't give a shit about a coach bag. And that doesn't matter to me. she's like, spent, already, my previous corporate career, she's like, I already was in five star hotels. I've done that. I've done that. I don't need that vision board. That actually doesn't excite me. But she's like, that's what I thought I needed to want in order to have this life manifest. And.
Guri Kaur (1:02:43)
Thank
Yeah.
Jen Casey (1:02:57)
being able to reclaim and rewrite that for herself was really empowering. So, yeah, really leaning into the identity of what that looks like for you and then taking those steps to embody it.
Guri Kaur (1:03:09)
Amazing and also I think it keeps changing like once you reach a certain level Magnetism the meaning of magnetism for you changes and then you're seeing like you said, you in case of this client That the meaning changes and then you want something else So it's not yeah, that's what I take from from this Okay, let's talk about your certification now What's it about like who can join it and
Jen Casey (1:03:12)
Mm-hmm.
Thank you.
Guri Kaur (1:03:39)
anything that you want to share.
Jen Casey (1:03:41)
Yeah, so the certification, we certify in seven different modalities, different energetics of conscious and somatic practices. And it is a seven month experience where we are meeting weekly. We also have three day immersives throughout where we're really doing deep dives. And, you know, we're looking at various modalities like neuro linguistic programming.
I have my own kind of section that I teach that's from my own channel, the psyche coaching section where it's really like energetics and really learning how to hold space and show up for people. We talk about group coaching and group facilitation because I know a lot of people in the online space, they're like, well, that's cool, but I want to run courses and programs and like, how do I coach someone inside a Facebook group? So, you know, having those skills and tools is really, really important. Yeah, we.
Guri Kaur (1:04:23)
and we have things to do.
and
Jen Casey (1:04:33)
go through all the different like hypnotic language pieces. There's a lot of really amazing things that we can do to really support people to make their transformation even easier. So we go through all of that and sorry, go ahead.
Guri Kaur (1:04:43)
Yeah. And like, uh-huh. Sorry, go ahead.
Jen Casey (1:04:51)
working.
Guri Kaur (1:04:52)
I was saying, sorry, go ahead. You were saying something and I interrupted.
Jen Casey (1:04:56)
No, it's okay, that felt complete.
Guri Kaur (1:04:59)
Yeah,
so like anybody can join or like there's a certain way like this. Do you have a screening or just anybody can join?
Jen Casey (1:05:08)
Yeah, so we keep the group really very intimate and I screen every person who comes in, I don't call it screening, just call it like an interview, like just tap on the call, like very no pressure. It's really just like, do we fit? Do we like each other? Does this align? Does this feel right? Does it sound right? Does this look like what you've been looking for and really looking at like what the person has already experienced in their life or in their business, right? We have some people come in who are
Guri Kaur (1:05:25)
And.
Jen Casey (1:05:37)
completely brand new to the online business world. They've never run a business before. They've never coached a client before. They're totally welcome. We literally start with all of the necessary foundation, you know, and then there's some people who have, you know, coached some friends, but they've never officially gotten paid for anything, or some people who have maybe worked with a couple of clients, but it hasn't been consistent.
Guri Kaur (1:05:45)
News.
Jen Casey (1:05:59)
people who are working very regularly with clients. have some people who are plant medicine facilitators, people who are dance instructors, accountants, health coaches, coaches, literally so many different human design coach, so many different niches, which I personally really, really love because it, especially in a learning environment.
it gives each person an understanding of like, oh, I'm a money coach. I help people with budgeting, but oh, those are like, you're helping people with health and fitness. see the overlap. see the mirror of like those same types of beliefs, those same types of patterns. So it's really interesting when we start getting into like individual kind of niches and seeing how that pops up and how those beliefs and patterns and resistance areas pop up for different clients. Yeah, so we work with lot of different people. And then some people who have like,
million dollar businesses, right? Who are like running teams and have more than one business and you know, are doing all these other things and they're like, but I'm a passionate coaching or they have a business strategy or strategy component, teaching components of their business. But they're like, I want to get people better results faster. I want the lab, the results to last for them. want them to be embodied in their results. So we literally from brand newbies to people who are running businesses who are already coaching, you know, so it's, it's a wide range of people.
Guri Kaur (1:07:20)
You're literally making people magnetic.
you
Jen Casey (1:07:27)
And then they walk away and they're like, now I feel like even more confident to run a coaching call or now I know how to run a coaching call or ⁓ I now I know how to help people shift an identity or shift a belief. So it's really beautiful to see all of those things happen. in the certification through the seven months, we're learning different techniques, different concepts, different modalities. then anything we learn, the students are getting to experience as both the coach and the client.
So they go into breakout rooms and they do peer to peer coaching, we get feedback and I have a co-facilitator, Dr. Nicole Woodard, who's literally amazing. I love her so much and she's so brilliant and brings so much to the certification around like breath work and the nervous system and really amazing things as well. So yeah, we have a really cool group.
Guri Kaur (1:08:11)
Amazing.
You also speak of virtual immersion. Is it like in person or virtual? Sorry, you speak of immersion. just added virtual.
Jen Casey (1:08:17)
So,
like, up to this point, we've done it completely virtually. the immersive like three days, it'll be like, you know, you're on, on zoom for a couple of hours each day, or three days in a row. And we're doing like a deep dive and people will be like, my God, my brain like, like, I'm like mashed potatoes, but you don't realize how much you're actually taking in. then after like, my God, that like those three days went by so fast.
And we may in the future do some in-person work. It's just more that a lot of people who are coaching right now are doing it virtually. So it kind of makes sense to learn how to do things over Zoom. But we may this year incorporate some kind of retreat or something so that people can meet up in person, because it would be really fun to.
Guri Kaur (1:08:55)
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm into retreats.
That's why was like, okay, what does this immersion look like? Is it virtual or in person?
Jen Casey (1:09:10)
And we were maybe going to change it. And then I was like, let's just do one more round. the way that we've got, we've got a good system in place. So yeah, we'll add a little retreat opportunity.
Guri Kaur (1:09:20)
Awesome. It was so great to have you here. Thank you for joining me and Really giving your time. It's a special episode and also like everything that you shared and I know that Just this episode just listening to what you shared today is gonna like make people so much more magnetic Just applying just applying what you shared today. So thank you so much for sharing
Jen Casey (1:09:24)
Yeah.
⁓ thank you.
Yeah, you're so welcome. I so appreciate you reaching out and asking and having me and thank you everyone for being here. Really appreciate it.