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When life gets hard, does what we think we believe hold us up, or does it crumble under the weight of doubt? I'm your host, Dr. Lee Warren- I'm a brain surgeon, author, and a person who's seen some stuff and wondered where God is in all this mess. This is The Spiritual Brain Surgery podcast, where we'll take a hard look at what we believe, why we believe it, and the neuroscience behind how our minds and our brains can smash together with faith to help us become healthier, feel better, and be happier so we can find the hope to withstand anything life throws at us. You've got questions, and we're going to do the hard work to find the answers, but you can't change your life until you change your mind, and it's gonna take some spiritual-brain surgery to get it done. So let's get after it.
Thank you. you.
Let's get after it.
Music.
My friend, we're back and I'm so excited. It's been a while since we did this,
but it is Sunday afternoon here on the banks of the North Platte River.
And I've got my main man by the magic of the internet, Dennis McDonald from
San Antonio, Texas with us. It's Tuesdays with Tata. Welcome back, Tata.
Thank you. It's good to be back. It's been a bit, hasn't it? It has.
And we have covered a lot of miles since we...
Since we last saw each other, right? Amen. Tata was referring to the fact that,
we had three deaths in our family in May and Tata and Lisa made five trips from
North Platte to San Antonio and I made three in five weeks and Tata stayed down there.
He's had just kind of some duties.
He's helping babysit our, I guess my grand nephew dog.
Jessica's dog had surgery and Jessica's out of town. So Tata's babysitting Hamilton.
How's that going, Tata? Doing well.
And then Jessica will be back. She's in Washington, D.C. for a conference,
but she'll be back Tuesday night.
Outstanding. And Hamilton had his sutures out Saturday.
So he's in progress. But he still has to have a leash on and he has to wear a donut.
He's not pleased about that so he requires uh
assistance so ronnie's working so tata thought
he'd just stay down there and help babysit uh his
grand dog i guess whatever you call
that hamilton's a great little guy and we love him
we still miss harvey and lewis a lot so it's nice to go see hamilton sometimes
right tata yeah yes yes it
is and then you had eye surgery on one of your eyes how's
that going doing well the left eye did extremely well good you're doing the
right one soon right right when on friday outstanding and you're going to come
home right i pray that the lord blesses that yes that's good so next time we
do tuesday so tata will be here in the flesh together again that's good.
That's good. I miss you. I miss you, too. It seems like I've been gone forever.
I know. It's only been about three weeks, but it does feel like forever.
Happy Father's Day, too. Thank you.
It's a blessing. I heard from Jessica, and I heard from Lisa,
and I heard from Jessica as well.
It's been a good day. That's right. Right.
Well, you've been an incredibly important father figure in my life for almost
a little over 20 years now, believe it or not.
We've had a long walk together, haven't we, Dad? We have. I've thought about that many times.
I was blessed with an incredible earthly father. Wayne Warren is an amazing
man who pointed me to God and gave me a great set of tools to live my life by
and a measuring stick to measure it against, which I've never met measure up to.
And then I had you come in my life as a friend and came alongside me and then
had no idea that I'd marry into your family later and become one of your sons.
And I'm just so grateful for you, Dad. We're recording this,
friend, on Father's Day.
You're going to hear it on Tuesday, but we'll just take a minute to acknowledge
our gratitude for fathers.
And if you're missing your dad today, we pray for you.
And if you had a strained relationship with your dad, just remember that Jesus
and the Lord give us a good example of what a father should be.
And even if you didn't have that in an earthly father, you can look to Jesus
and see the heart of a real father and what you can look forward to for the
rest of your eternal life. And we're so grateful for that.
So thanks, Dad, for your role in my life and the incredible way that you have
nurtured and stewarded me.
And I'm very thankful for you, Tata. What are we going to talk about today?
Well, just talk about Zacchaeus and also the rich young ruler.
And keep in mind that these are two people that had an encounter with Jesus.
And we find the story about Zacchaeus in Luke 19.
And many of us will remember, and we used to teach the children a song about Zacchaeus.
We little man with me. He climbed the sycamore tree.
I have never climbed the sycamore tree. Have you?
Nor have I. But what I thought would be the best way to approach this is to
read it together and understand it.
I'm reading from the English Standard Version. Okay.
And Luke records this encounter when Jesus is entering Jericho,
and he was passing through, and behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus.
He was a chief tax collector and was rich.
So already we know something. We know two things about Zacchaeus.
And he was seeking to see who Jesus was, but on account of the crowd,
he could not because he had a small statue. He was a little guy.
He could not see over the crowd's head.
So he ran ahead and he climbed up into a sycamore tree to see him,
for Jesus was about to pass by.
And when Jesus came to where he was, Jesus stopped and looked up and said to
him, Zacchaeus, Zacchaeus, hurry and come down, for I must stay at your house
today. Think about that.
Jesus said that to him. Zacchaeus, hurry and come down, for I must stay at your house today.
So he hurried and came down and received him joyfully.
Zacchaeus received Jesus joyfully. And when they saw it, and they being the
crowd, they grumbled because he has gone into the, it's going to be a guest of a man that's a sinner.
Now, think about what Zacchaeus was. He was, Apparently he was a Jew,
he was a Hebrew, but he was also a tax collector for the Roman army, our Roman empire.
And they were notorious for being, you know, they did their work that was assigned to them.
But anything they collected above what was due to the Romans,
they put it in their own pocket.
That's right. So they got to take whatever they wanted, basically.
That's right. So they were skimming as they went along.
I don't know if we said that um i'm not sure
we got it on tape but we were reading from luke chapter 19 here
luke chapter 19 so um and
when when and the people here again i point out that they were still grumbling
and when he had gone in to to be the guest of the man of center and zakiah stood
and said to the lord he stood up and he said behold lord the half of my goods i give to the poor.
And if I have defrauded anyone of anything, I will restore it fourfold. Wow.
That was powerful. By his own admission, he was so joyful, and by his own admission,
he was thankful that the Lord was even talking to him.
Yeah. Wow. And then he was even honored because Jesus was a guest in his house.
Think about that. yeah that a man that a man that the crowd even went up that
this is Jesus is gonna go eat with him and he's a sinner that's right,
But then Jesus said to him, after Zacchaeus made the statement that he'd give
back to the poor, he would give anything that he had defrauded anyone,
he would restore it fourfold.
And Jesus said to him, salvation today, today, salvation has come to this house,
since he is also a son of Abraham. That's right.
For the sake of the man, before the son of man came to seek and save the lost.
That's right. What transaction had occurred between Zacchaeus and Jesus at that
point? Like, basically, Jesus said and Zacchaeus believed.
That's right. Yeah. That's right.
But I think that there was a spark in Zacchaeus' heart before he saw Jesus and
before Jesus even said anything to him.
Yeah. So he knew something about Jesus. And he wanted to see him. He showed us that. Yeah.
And that's evident by what he said. I give, I'll give to the poor and I'll restore
what I've defrauded people of.
That's right. He had a changed heart already.
That's right. So he had a choice.
He made a choice. He made a choice to receive Jesus.
And he recognized what he had done wrong.
That's right. He recognized that he was a sinner, that he didn't need the crowd
to tell him. He knew that he was. That's right.
He saw that.
But he was so joyful because he stood up and said to Jesus, I will return to,
I will take care of the poor and I will take care of anyone that I've ever defrauded.
So he had a change of heart.
And I think right here that speaks highly of him as a human being.
And the message for us is we have a choice.
Receive. That's right. We can join the crowd of the naysayers if we want.
The ones that are saying, yes, that man is a sinner.
But what about us? That's right. Well, the same, because the Lord himself said
that the same measure that you use, he said, judge not, lest you be judged.
And the same measure you use will be used against you. That's right. That's right.
This isn't a, you know, it's interesting.
Zacchaeus wasn't apparently a good God-fearing Jew before this happened because
he had been engaging in these practices. And so it wasn't about,
Jesus didn't choose him because he was good.
Jesus chose him because he loved him, because he wanted to choose him.
And then Zacchaeus had a choice, am I going to change my heart or not?
And repentance is not about having been pretty good and now you're going to
be a little better. It's about what I've been doing, I need to change.
I need to submit my will to his will.
Stop where you're going and go the other way. That's right.
And that's what Zacchaeus did. that's right
jesus doesn't call us to just refine our
behavior a little bit he calls us to radically transform our lives
now think about think about how that how
zacchaeus must have felt about that he was a chief tax collector he wasn't just
a an errand boy he was a chief tax collector and he was rich yeah so he'd been
stealing from us he'd been stealing from or padding his own in pockets for some time.
Yeah, he was a chief. I mean, he probably got a cut from the other tax collectors.
Like he was probably breaking it in.
Yeah, he was.
The Hispanics called that mordida, payoff. Payoff, that's right.
So the point for us is this. When you want to examine yourself and examine your
heart, think about Zacchaeus.
He was willing to admit that he had done wrong. That's right.
And he was willing to change.
And what happened to him? Salvation came to his house. That's right.
It's interesting, too, you know, before we go on, like, I think that's an important point.
Like, it's not that Jesus just waved a wand and saved everybody in Zacchaeus' house.
House like that what that means is when when we make a
decision it affects the people around us in that culture like
the father having such a big life change would have
impacted his wife and his family and his children and and and servants and his
service everybody in his household so i think what jesus is saying like you've
started a process here that's going to lead a lot of people out of darkness
like like your decision affects not just you but others that's right that's
right so so So what does that say?
At the end of the day, it says very clearly that we all have a choice.
That's right. We have a choice.
And the choice is to believe or not believe, change or not change.
That's correct. Now, contrast that, that same set of circumstances,
almost, to the rich, young ruler that we find recorded in Mark chapter 10.
And this event is also described in Matthew, Matthew 19, and it's also described in Luke.
But I chose this one because, and I've been thinking about this for a long time,
because of this one line that we'll come to.
And we'll emphasize that one line. And as he was setting out,
talking about Jesus again,
setting out on his journey, a man came up to him and knelt down before him and asked him.
Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?
So he knew something already.
And Jesus said to him, why do you call me good? See, Jesus is still teaching.
No one is good except God alone. You know the commandments.
Do not murder. Do not commit adultery. Do not steal. Do not bear false witness.
Do not defraud. Honor your father and mother.
And the man said to Jesus, he said, teacher, all these I have kept from my youth.
And Jesus looking at him loved him.
Wow. Think about that. And Jesus looking at him and loved him and said, you lack one thing.
Go and sell all that you have and give it to the poor.
And you will have treasure in heaven and come follow me. That's right.
Disheartedly or rejected or he couldn't believe what he was hearing.
Disheartened by the saying, he went away, the rich young ruler went away, sorrowful.
For he had great possessions. Wow.
You see, this man, what do we know about him? Well, one, he was young,
he was rich, and he was a ruler.
That's right. So he had a lot of wealth, and he had been keeping the law,
and he wanted to inherit internal life.
He wanted to be saved, but he wasn't willing to part with the things that he held dear to himself.
That's right. This is a really good point here.
And I think it's an important point for our time, Tata.
A lot of us want Jesus as Savior, but not as Lord.
In this example, the rich young ruler said his question was not,
how can I serve my Lord? It was, what can I do to be saved?
Yeah, what can I do? That's right. And Jesus said, okay, you want to be saved?
Here's the deal. You got to part with your possessions, change your heart and follow me.
And he was like, no, I can't do that.
I'd love to be saved, but I can't submit that to my, I can't give you that part
of my life that means more to me than you do.
Like we have, we have to radically look out for places in which we have accepted
the idea that he can save us, but not that he wants to be a Lord over us.
That's right. And what does that speak to? The rich, the rich young ruler. That was idolatry.
He was worshiping his own possessions and not God himself.
That's right. He would not separate himself from his earthly possessions to
worship God. That's right.
Interestingly, we see it throughout Scripture. If he had submitted all that
to Jesus, the Lord probably would have done something even greater in his life than he had.
But he couldn't let go of that control of his thing that he thought was important
to him. Well, that's like, well, think about what Jesus said to Zacchaeus,
that salvation had come to his house because he was a son of Abraham.
And Jesus said himself that he came to seek and save the lost.
Those people that were struggling. But what did that speak to?
That example shows us that we have to have the heart to receive.
That's right. And we must be willing to change. And when he wouldn't change,
that's another good point.
That means the generations after him missed out on an encounter with Jesus because
he didn't change his heart. Like Zacchaeus changed and his household was met with the Savior.
And this guy walked away sad and his house never heard about him.
That's really devastating.
Because the man had, the rich young ruler had more than he could handle.
He could not think about anything else. There was no room in his heart.
There was no room in his heart. Now he wanted something.
He wanted eternal life. yeah so he
knew something about jesus to begin with he
like zacchaeus probably heard about him he even may have he may even heard in
the in the synagogue he may have heard some of the messages that jesus brought
yeah but he did he believe it a part of him did did he accept it a part of him did,
But was he willing to change? No.
That's right. He had this sort
of vague spirituality that so many in our culture kind of want to have.
Kind of sidle up alongside God and use him as a friend and a buddy,
but not submit to his lordship.
That's the issue of heart here that we're dealing with.
That's right. That's right. Now, the question still remains.
Are we without sin? No. No.
How long will we be with sin? Or how long will we have sin? Our whole life.
Our whole life, until we're there.
That's right. At the same time, God only wants us to think about himself.
Not us. Not us thinking about ourselves. Now, does that preclude us taking care
of ourselves? No. Of course not.
Does god intend for us to go crawl in a cave and stay there and and just sing about god all day long no,
he wants us to be the light of the world that's right it's all in the light
he is the light and he wants us to join him so you have two examples here one zacchaeus said yes,
And the rich young ruler said, oh, that's right.
And so what were the consequences?
They both had a choice. Yeah. And in my mind, Zacchaeus made the right choice.
Now, I can't even comprehend or understand the social pressure that he must have felt.
Because him being a Jew and a tax collector for the Roman government,
he was ostracized. Yeah.
I don't know if he could even go in the synagogue. probably not the crowd even
said he was a sinner yeah so his reputation went before him,
that's right everybody knew who he was and what he did for a living but he changed
he made a choice that's right he made a choice to follow jesus a rich young
ruler did not now think of the influence and said, both of these men could have had.
What if the rich young ruler had said, okay, I'll do what I can.
Did Jesus want him to go sell everything that he had?
Jesus was speaking to his heart. That's right.
He knew that the man had a lot of worldly possessions and that they were very
important to him. So he was that was very important to him to hold on to. That's right.
Jesus comes and he looks at your heart and he sees the thing that's most likely
to get in the way of you finding your way to him.
And that's where he's going to make the incision. That's where he's going to say, this is what I want.
That's right. That's right. And so and this is not the first time I heard the
first time I ever heard it really talked about.
Lisa and I talked about it once before. The mercy prayer.
Oh, Lord, have mercy on me, for I am a sinner.
Now, what does all of that say about us as human beings?
God still loves us. Yep.
And he wants us home.
He wanted both of these men home. And Jesus came to earth to show the way.
And he came to earth to do what he said, seek and save the lost. That's right.
But he had to demonstrate that he was not just an ordinary human being walking around.
He had the power of God resting on him. Amen. Amen.
Because both of these individuals sought Jesus out.
Yeah. They wanted to, not only wanted to see him, but Zacchaeus just wanted to see him.
Zacchaeus had no idea he was going to have an encounter. That's right.
Now, the rich young ruler had something in his heart because he came and called him teacher.
Not just teacher, but good teacher and knelt down before him.
That's right. Right. It's a good example. You can be really religious and you
can be really interested in Jesus and you can really be fascinated with his
teaching and even recognize that he's God.
But if your heart isn't right, if something's bigger than him in your eyes,
your possessions, your relationships, your job, your identity,
whatever it might be, if that's bigger than God, then you won't part with it when it's time to.
You that's right that's right and god himself said that those are idols does
that mean that the idols have to be made out of stone or made out of wood no
no it'd be anything that replaces,
what you think of god or that you think has more power or more attraction to
you and that can even be something on the negative side like our grief and our
trouble sometimes we can't we can't let that be bigger than god that's right
because what does it what does it all center on it centers on it.
My pain, my sorrow, my grief.
And friends, if you're listening to this, I'm not discounting anything that's troubling you.
I'm not discounting anything that is the trauma in your life.
But what does God want to do with all of that?
So maybe you need to stop and ask that question now.
Okay, God, what do you want me to know now? in the middle of all of this where I feel so lost.
I have no place to go. That's right. Augustine called that,
in Caritas in se, this idea that our interior lives are continually curved in
on ourselves and the things we're concerned about and we're worried about and
the encounter with Jesus has a tendency to kind of unspiral us and kind of roll
us out of ourselves and out towards him.
Yeah that's right and because
if you think back even to adam and eve they were not they were not created to
think about themselves no job did they have two things take care of the garden
and acknowledge their creator that's right that's all they had to do.
And is it that simple is it that easy i don't i don't i know it's not and i
know it's hard I know it's hard to crawl out of the hole and play in the game with yourself.
Oh, poor me. I know it's hard. It's hard. It's very hard.
I've crawled out of that hole several times. We all have. And none of us are exempt.
None of us are exempt from trials and tribulations in this world.
Because this world is not our home. That's right.
Our creator wants us back home
with him that's right and and
i often i often say okay god i get it uh i'm i'm a child of yours but yes i
am a sinful child i'm an errant child uh but then i asked him i said and i understand
about the disciplines that you are disciplining me but And can the beating stop? Yeah.
That's right. Sometimes it feels, it gets so hard, it feels like that. That's right.
And sometimes you feel like you have no place to go. Yeah. You have no one to talk to.
I think that's sort of the point, I think, of suffering.
Dad, I think it's like that story that we talked about the other day about those
trees that they tried to grow in that biosphere where they tried to create this
perfect environment where they could plant people on the moon or on Mars or
whatever, recreate everything that people needed.
And they found that they could grow trees, but they'd only get a couple of feet
tall and they'd just fall over.
And they figured out that what they'd forgotten to include was wind.
Like the trees needed some resistance as they were growing to make them strong
enough to survive gravity.
And so I think that's why the Bible tells us over and over, perseverance produces
character and character produces hope.
We need some suffering. And the problem is sometimes that suffering in and of
itself curves back on ourselves.
And we start to believe that that's become our identity. We become defined by it.
And then it becomes like the rich and the loose treasure, the thing we can't
seem to part with or we don't know who we are. And I think Jesus said to Zacchaeus,
you think you're this guy?
I think you're that guy. And I want you to change to that guy.
And Zacchaeus said, okay.
And the rich young ruler said, you know, I want to serve you, Lord.
What do I need to do? And Jesus said, well, I think you're this rich guy who's
bound up in his possessions, but I really can call you into this other person that you can become.
And he said, no, that's too much for me. That's too much change for me.
That's right. It's too much work. Yeah. And in my prayer, I thank God for saving my soul.
I thank him for saving me from Satan. And I thank him for saving me from myself. That's right.
Because what does self want to do? Self wants to take care of self. That's right.
And self wants to be important. Self doesn't want to worry about anything. thing.
But is there anything that can satisfy that we can see, taste, or smell? No.
The only thing that can satisfy is the unseen. And that's what faith is about. That's right.
That's a good lesson, Tata. And that's what I say. And that's why I say that
we all have a choice. That's right.
It's a good example. Two different people that made two different choices.
And one brought salvation to his whole generation and family line.
And the other walked away from that opportunity. And who knows how many people
didn't find the truth because he couldn't change his heart.
That's right. That's right. He would not be. He could not and would not be a good example.
Now, we don't know what happened to him.
Jesus goes on to teach more about how important it is and how hard it is for
people that have a lot of wealth to enter the kingdom of God.
Yeah and jesus even said it was
harder to to put a camel through a through a
needles i have a needle yeah yeah yeah but
and that's impossible yeah but then
and then peter spoke up thank goodness for peter peter was always first one
to speak up yeah well what about us we've left everything that's right us that's
right see the human in us is still there that's right,
So don't be so hard on yourself, friends, as you think about all of the struggles
that you're going through at this point.
Because did God single you out for that? No.
Jesus himself said in this world, you'll have troubles. But then he said, don't be afraid.
Fear not, for I have overcome the world. Right.
And if we think about, I like the message translation where Paul is talking
about that we're aliens and strangers in this world. The message plays that same verse.
Friends, this world is not your home. Don't get cozy in it. That's right.
Yeah, I love you, Gene Peterson.
That's right. Love it, Tata. I'm glad to have you back.
We've been missing, I'm sure people all over the world have been missing these
conversations. And as a total aside, I don't know if you remember,
but I had Jay Warner Wallace on the show recently to talk about his newest book,
The Truth and True Crime.
And he was talking about how he had been an atheist.
And when he started pursuing this idea that there might be something to God,
one of the things that converted him was the gospel accounts.
So the eyewitness accounts, as he looked at it as a homicide detective,
he said, this is pretty good testimony of eyewitnesses. because they don't all
line up exactly right, like human testimony wouldn't. Four people can see the same thing.
And if their stories are all exactly the same, you know, they've colluded with one another.
That's right. Because they're different, you know, they're probably truthful.
But he said that he did a lot of research on the gospels. And it turns out,
I didn't realize this, but Mark...
Probably based most of what he said off of the eyewitness reports of Peter. Yes.
Historical writings of Peter and Mark were close. And basically the interesting
thing to him as a homicide detective was that he said that if Peter was the
one telling Mark the story, it was consistent with the gospel of Mark because of all the gospels.
Mark is the one that doesn't tell all the embarrassing stuff that Peter did.
Doesn't talk about John out running him or him cutting off the guy's ear and
all those things. And he's like, he leaves all that out when he's telling the story.
Yeah, he edited all that out. I love it. But that's great.
It's a good evidentiary chain that the Gospels are real. Friend,
they're powerful and they're good. They're historically validated.
They're really solid on the evidentiary side. These stories,
they're not just legacies or folklore.
This is real truth that's telling us that God has a plan and a purpose for our
lives. and he wants you to be willing to sacrifice everything for that which is really, truly great.
It's to change your heart and change your mind, and he's going to bring salvation to your house.
Tata's on to something really important here.
Well, I want to add just one last point, and that's why, again,
that's why I chose Mark, because Mark is—all four of the Gospels,
you have to read all four of them.
And I think I've said this before, but the Gospel of John, I love that.
I've spent a lot of time in it.
But in Mark chapter 10, back in verse 21, and Jesus was looking at him,
talking about the rich young ruler, was looking at Jesus and Jesus looking at him and loved him.
Because, you know, that is, to me, that is profound.
Jesus knew exactly what he was going to do, what he was going to say.
But Jesus still loved him anyway. That's right.
He already knows. That's right. He wants you to change your heart.
I remember, if you're looking for a resource to read about the Gospels,
I think the best book I've ever read that compares and contrasts the different
things you can get from the four Gospels is Dane Ortlund's book, Surprised by Jesus,
Subversive Grace in the Four Gospels.
And just some really fascinating insights into why these guys wrote the way
that they did and where their backgrounds were and why they brought out the
stories that they chose to emphasize and really be a useful book.
I'll put the link in the show notes.
So Tata, thank you so much for your time today and bringing us this great and
powerful insight as you always do. And I think it would be appropriate for you
to finish us off with prayer today.
It's been a while since you prayed for us. I think it would be helpful.
Would you pray for us, Tata? I will. Thank you. Let us pray.
Oh, Father, we thank you for this day that you have made, and we rejoice in it.
Thank you for all of our blessings, Father. We thank you that you've been mindful of us.
But, Father, most of all, we thank you for Jesus.
Thank you. Thank you for loving us so much that you sent him.
And through Jesus' death on a cross, you redeemed us. You brought us back from
sin when we had no hope. And now we have the assurance of a home with you.
And through the blood of Jesus, we have forgiveness of our sins.
Oh, thank you, Father. Father, thank you for this special time together.
And Father, for all of those that are hearing this message today,
we pray that it will bring comfort to them as they examine their own heart and
say, they ask themselves, where am I?
Have I made this choice?
Have I made the choice to follow Jesus?
Have i decided that i will follow jesus
that's right father we just ask you your
continued blessings on us we ask you to bless lee and
lisa keep them safe and father we're so thankful that you have blessed hamilton
that you would kept him safe and that you continue to heal him and you've blessed
his house and father we pray that you would be blessing those that are mourning
and grieving father i pray that you would ease their suffering and father we
pray that you would give Give them a peace,
a peace that surpasses all understanding that can only come from you.
We trust you and we wait on you and we know we can't do this by ourselves.
And so we trust you. We have confidence in you.
We rely on you, but we beg you in the name of Jesus that you demonstrate your
mighty power in our presence for your glory, not ours.
And so we ask all of this in the sweet, precious name of Jesus Christ,
our Lord and Savior, your Son and our Redeemer. Amen.
Amen. Thank you, Tata. Thank you. This is great.
We'll be back next week with new Tuesdays with Tata, maybe from Nebraska.
I'm not sure when you're coming home, but we're going to do it again.
Spiritual Brain Surgery Podcast is about what we believe and why we believe
it and how science and faith can smash together to help us sort of understand
it, share it, defend it, and live it out.
And that's what we're doing today. Practical advice from Tata.
Just a tremendous resource for us all. Paul, thank you, Dad,
for your life, your impact on me, the way that you serve the kingdom and our family.
God bless you. God bless you. And remember, if you want to start, you got to start today.
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