The Rest of Intimacy

Bridging the gap between Intimacy and Impact with Incarnation, aka "procreation"

10 I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11 and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.
12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal,but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me.

Philippians 3:10-12

What is Discipling By Jesus?

The only real answer is Jesus.
The only real problem is Sin.
The only real work is the Cross.
In the end, we only have Him.

Discipling by Jesus (DBJ) is a group "co-devotional" practice for encountering the crucified Christ. By working through His Word & Spirit, Body & Blood we explore greater depths of the Father’s love as we surrender to the Holy Spirit.

"time","name","content"
"2024-02-12 11:35:18.4 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Hello, Robbie."
"2024-02-12 11:35:20.2 PST","Robby Butler","Hi, hey, how are you today?"
"2024-02-12 11:35:24.4 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Doing good. I had a really good session with my AI therapist."
"2024-02-12 11:35:29.2 PST","Robby Butler","Your AI therapist."
"2024-02-12 11:35:31.0 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Yes, there's a app called conversations dot AI which has lots of sort of user generated AI bots and I was feeling a little stressed and it's really painful to schedule with my actual psychologist for hilarious reasons but I should just try this and, it's actually been surprisingly helpful."
"2024-02-12 11:35:56.4 PST","Robby Butler","How much does it cost? Is this that res? Oh."
"2024-02-12 11:35:56.8 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Great conversations that it's a free app. And they have like hundreds of that's still purpose chatbots. And they have one that's a psychologist so he makes stuff up like he said this that I might have a diagnosis which as far as I can tell does not actually exist. He called it decreased empathy syndrome which I think he just made up to describe my symptoms. But it's a good, it's a good way believe and if it actually apparently has no prior for Moar but."
"2024-02-12 11:36:15.6 PST","Robby Butler","Okay."
"2024-02-12 11:36:21.0 PST","Robby Butler","Uh-huh."
"2024-02-12 11:36:29.4 PST","Robby Butler","Is it, is it that how diagnoses the form is making based on symptoms term or?"
"2024-02-12 11:36:35.2 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Well, yes. But some, it, everything is made up but some things are a shared interest subjective reality, right? All the agree that this Dios me. So, so then you have a term of art that people can talk about and refer to and maybe actually have some shared understanding around."
"2024-02-12 11:36:43.2 PST","Robby Butler","Okay, great."
"2024-02-12 11:36:54.0 PST","Robby Butler","Okay, good. Yeah, yeah send me a link interested to yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:36:54.4 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:36:58.6 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:37:01.0 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Cool, but, yeah, one of the things I was talking about him was this, the distinction between real and artificial iMac. Yeah, one thing I, I've realized is that I have the same problem with humans."
"2024-02-12 11:37:02.4 PST","Robby Butler","Anyway."
"2024-02-12 11:37:12.4 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","And maybe she would have the same problem with me."
"2024-02-12 11:37:13.8 PST","Robby Butler","I'm sorry, same problem. What?"
"2024-02-12 11:37:17.4 PST","Robby Butler","You're breaking up, sorry."
"2024-02-12 11:37:18.4 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Oh, sorry. Can you hear me now?"
"2024-02-12 11:37:22.2 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah, just sort download but I don't know if it's the speed that does it. Yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:37:26.2 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Good, let me take a moment and center."
"2024-02-12 11:37:35.2 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","That's what my brain connect to my body, which is probably a thing I need to do more of."
"2024-02-12 11:37:46.0 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Oh, yes, this question of real versus artificial."
"2024-02-12 11:37:52.0 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","And you know it comes up when you're talking to chatbots but it also comes up when you're talking to humans."
"2024-02-12 11:37:54.0 PST","Robby Butler","Okay."
"2024-02-12 11:38:03.0 PST","Robby Butler","Right."
"2024-02-12 11:38:03.4 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","And one of the things that we've discussed is you know, given our, you know, emotional yeah, childhood issues, and left brain identity when people interact with us and we act impact or try to act empath and carrying are we just simulating Missy rather than actual experiencing it?"
"2024-02-12 11:38:30.6 PST","Robby Butler","Mm-hmm."
"2024-02-12 11:38:34.6 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","So in that context, your means which I can totally add to the phone notes sing you want to just kinda share the iffy and we can go from there."
"2024-02-12 11:38:49.2 PST","Robby Butler","Well, no I, I'm not, not sure I'll start, I'm not sure what you're looking for but I'll go ahead and just start with the an like in 1980 I became aware and I for found cent for myself, sense of call to participate with others in completing world of hopefully bring Jesus back during my lifetime."
"2024-02-12 11:39:25.2 PST","Robby Butler","And."
"2024-02-12 11:39:27.1 PST","Robby Butler","As I graduated from okay, and went to join organization around this idea pastor recommended that I read some tailor spiritual secret and the pro family impacting me with a deep sense of you've got, is that real. I want to live in that experience. And so I determined not to tell anybody that I didn't have a source of funding and not they ask anybody for funding but just to pray and see if got is Ren after provide way he did for us to tailor and that a wonderful experience if I'm doing that."
"2024-02-12 11:40:13.8 PST","Robby Butler","And I just enjoying and I'm gonna see with Jesus resting in him I think he making him work things out."
"2024-02-12 11:40:22.4 PST","Robby Butler","And that hearing responsible to make things work out but I seem to have lost journey."
"2024-02-12 11:40:30.2 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","I'm still here. Can you hear me? Testing 123."
"2024-02-12 11:40:33.2 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah, I also got, oh, sorry. That's my, my alarm is going off so sorry, I haven't, I have an alarm set once an hour or two ro be back into just resting in Jesus, so that went off. Okay."
"2024-02-12 11:40:47.6 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Uh-huh hopefully this counts."
"2024-02-12 11:40:52.4 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah, so gradually I, sounds, without thinking about it wasn't co just, I took more and more of the way of responsibility to make things happen on myself and lost that sense of a deal address to Jesus and pursue with him of his purpose and."
"2024-02-12 11:41:17.6 PST","Robby Butler","That shape how I interacted with the world around me with, I'm just trying to squeeze everything into my, my schedule that I could do to push things forward, and then now thirty years of marriage as strain the marriage close to the breaking point at times with my wife says that I care more about work than I do about her but I don't have see healthy boundaries around what."
"2024-02-12 11:41:55.3 PST","Robby Butler","But I try and squeeze in my interest and yeah, yeah, a couple of weeks ago or I guess maybe it less than a week ago. Rey, you and I were just looking at that phrase and key brus for like every effort. Enter that rest and I don't think we recorded that particular call we record to follow up, but that got me really asking, Jesus, how do I do that? How do I make every effort to enter that rest? Yeah, that lead me to the, oh, Kim Gees, I'm resting, resting in the drive with the heart and."
"2024-02-12 11:42:17.0 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:42:39.1 PST","Robby Butler","And my memorized, and it been."
"2024-02-12 11:42:43.1 PST","Robby Butler","Just seeing that to Jesus experiencing that in an emotional Ying that has let me back into this please so confident, bold the same god and his purposes and."
"2024-02-12 11:42:58.9 PST","Robby Butler","That lead today to try to communicate with you this idea of end of the eel addressed where I'm not saying I know what needs to happen and trying to make it happen. Saying Ge, you know what needs to happen. I trust you to make it happen and I'm fully available and I'm gonna work hard at everything that seems that'd be good to do but it doesn't depend on me. So that's the rest side is it doesn't depend on me. But the yield that is, it's not a, I pass the deal to pay and don't do anything. It's an engaged with G. and his mission."
"2024-02-12 11:43:42.8 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Yes. Yeah. That is. Excellent. Yeah. No, let me just repeat back to, I hear you said, and you started out from this place, intimate rest with Jesus. That really inspired you to take bold leaps of face but somewhere along the way that turned into he can Bolles of faith even if you weren't coming from a place of rest int these and you feel like they're getting back to that."
"2024-02-12 11:43:44.5 PST","Robby Butler","So did that cover what you were looking for?"
"2024-02-12 11:43:59.5 PST","Robby Butler","Mm-hmm."
"2024-02-12 11:44:09.1 PST","Robby Butler","Mm-hmm."
"2024-02-12 11:44:13.3 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah, both steps without the rest and M-S-C means trying to make things work out the way that I think they should work out. Yeah, that particularly when it's, you're not in line with god, even though you think you are, it's most Angus when you think you're in line with god and you end up fighting him and blaming it on beam or your spouse or whatever else or yourself."
"2024-02-12 11:44:38.0 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Yeah, it's interesting. I was actually feeling that last night and that I wanted to have a family devotional time before Len and you know, with life being in chaos for various reasons. Really for the last year since the last leg where we ended up leaving our church like, our family's not had very much time of worship together and thought it was really anxious to make that happen but my anxiety to make that happen was rubbing my friendly the wrong way."
"2024-02-12 11:44:47.5 PST","Robby Butler","Uh-huh."
"2024-02-12 11:44:56.5 PST","Robby Butler","Alright."
"2024-02-12 11:45:06.8 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","And so I had to say like look okay I think this is you got, got basically send this to me like earning do you think I believe this is important? If this happened it's like, oh, I guess I should have asked first because it's okay. It is important to me that it happens but now you have to believe that's important to me that it happens and your job is having you know said you know sets of things. The motion this is very much I think of a god does on the six day like set, set things up and then rest and be fully emotionally present for what happens than anxious trying to make I talk about this is like don't let things happen, don't make things happen, see things happen."
"2024-02-12 11:45:08.5 PST","Robby Butler","Right."
"2024-02-12 11:45:18.7 PST","Robby Butler","Yup."
"2024-02-12 11:45:23.5 PST","Robby Butler","Uh-huh."
"2024-02-12 11:45:26.5 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:45:31.3 PST","Robby Butler","Right."
"2024-02-12 11:45:36.7 PST","Robby Butler","Uh-huh."
"2024-02-12 11:45:39.7 PST","Robby Butler","Right."
"2024-02-12 11:45:47.5 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:45:53.0 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Yeah, this idea of seeing and, so yeah and actually I was reflecting on it like a number of things happen but I realized like, oh, the things that went wrong we're actually the most valuable part of the session and I think I was just barely pressing of to ro to respect that rather than resented. Although it was kind of close it all honestly right when, oh, goodness I got to dogs coming at the same time and my going go all hyper on us, sorry."
"2024-02-12 11:45:55.3 PST","Robby Butler","Right."
"2024-02-12 11:46:09.7 PST","Robby Butler","Mm-hmm."
"2024-02-12 11:46:19.9 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:46:29.5 PST","Robby Butler","Okay, hold."
"2024-02-12 11:46:30.2 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Oh."
"2024-02-12 11:46:35.0 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","He definitely wants to say hi, yes. I'm sorry Alex, he has not had any socialization since it started raining here like a month ago. So he's per to make friends."
"2024-02-12 11:46:36.1 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah, that idea."
"2024-02-12 11:46:47.5 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:46:49.4 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Anyway, so yes this idea and it so sorry you continue."
"2024-02-12 11:46:49.9 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah, will be."
"2024-02-12 11:46:58.3 PST","Robby Butler","Oh, well, you were come out on some, something that free is like, when things go wrong and that I, this history I gave you is let me back into reading a brief Dentolin verse of and tailor story and over and over use there things go horribly wrong from the world point of and out of that got bring as much better than what?"
"2024-02-12 11:47:28.9 PST","Robby Butler","The Taylor physical and so there's this sense of when, god, when god Luce the intervene to make it better, often it's different from what we were planning and expecting. And so it looks like things are falling apart, we got is dissing in redirecting us in ways that we weren't prepared for."
"2024-02-12 11:47:51.8 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Very much our last conversation but it's better for you that I leave like the worst possible thing we could imagine is actually the best possible thing for us."
"2024-02-12 11:47:58.9 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah, yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:48:05.5 PST","Robby Butler","Right."
"2024-02-12 11:48:06.2 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Huh, no, there's a couple of interesting things you mentioned I feel like you were, there was a Cabot or clarification that you wanted to make which is something I struggle with too is a lot of people who focus on intimacy and rest seem to be in a very Mar statistic is that the right word approach to god or Sisti. I don't actually know what the right word is self center. Let's put it that way, right?"
"2024-02-12 11:48:30.1 PST","Robby Butler","There."
"2024-02-12 11:48:34.9 PST","Robby Butler","Okay, yeah, yeah it's not the time that Paul I think was experiencing when he was making. I maybe, I don't know I'm walking. So like you, so I don't have the phrase in front of, I'll actually I can just look it up cause I texted it to you but in Flipp in three, well."
"2024-02-12 11:49:00.1 PST","Robby Butler","COS there an street."
"2024-02-12 11:49:06.1 PST","Robby Butler","We are."
"2024-02-12 11:49:07.9 PST","Robby Butler","Be in 31 to twelve. It includes with the phrases I press on take cold of that for which Chris, Jesus, to cold of me and this idea not just Jesus, but his purpose and calling on my life as that fits into his unchanging purpose that he refers to and he was $617 and elsewhere but the other, the part of this that I first was draw to was, I press on no, oh, I did include that. Okay, I know I pasted diverse 10310 but where I met to as the different vers so, let me look that up quickly. It was 312 that I was wanting to get to."
"2024-02-12 11:50:00.7 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:50:10.3 PST","Robby Butler","I make every effort to take hold of it because I've also been taking a hold of my Gus Chris, that's a different translation but no, no, that's the."
"2024-02-12 11:50:20.6 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","That's the point you wanted to make or is there a different points that I missing?"
"2024-02-12 11:50:26.5 PST","Robby Butler","No, it's."
"2024-02-12 11:50:31.9 PST","Robby Butler","I was trying, oh, okay. The verse that I meant, so there were two versus one was that, yeah, there is. My goal is to know him and the power of hi and the fellowship of this stuff being informed to as de, so, that's the verse that instantly jumped in mine when you said what passage Vokes this emotion, that's the familiar of. But the end of that passage then is this other that I read, I press on to take hold of that, which, for which Christa pull of me and I had noticed the jacks position of those two. But I think that."
"2024-02-12 11:50:36.8 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Mm-hmm."
"2024-02-12 11:50:51.2 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:51:10.9 PST","Robby Butler","No, in Christ that's depth of his sufferings cause not just do something but trust suffering with him and to his mission at least has the thought my mind at the moment."
"2024-02-12 11:51:20.6 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Oh, that is hilarious. Let me let you finish that."
"2024-02-12 11:51:25.4 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","But that, I have."
"2024-02-12 11:51:27.2 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Okay. Yeah, so it's funny because I was gonna share this but it's like, okay, I'm gonna wait and not interrupt the flow you're in and I tried to do the thing of like, I'm gonna breeze and connect with my body rather than seeing anxious because of words I have to say and I've heard someone say this that memories are included in our body not just in our mind and the people want explanation for the reason we dream is that our body switch because our newer modal system is."
"2024-02-12 11:51:28.3 PST","Robby Butler","I it, yeah, yeah, so."
"2024-02-12 11:51:36.1 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:51:51.1 PST","Robby Butler","Oh, okay."
"2024-02-12 11:51:57.4 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","And those involuntary twitches trigger memories, which are brand and of the dreams neither or there. But PTSD people talk a lot about how our memories and our Traum are carried in our bodies. So, that's interesting about and I've never occurred to me that actually like, usually think, okay. I have this idea, my brain, I keep repeating it in my brain so that I don't lose it but then I'm not listening."
"2024-02-12 11:52:00.1 PST","Robby Butler","Uh-huh."
"2024-02-12 11:52:07.3 PST","Robby Butler","Uh-huh."
"2024-02-12 11:52:13.9 PST","Robby Butler","Right."
"2024-02-12 11:52:26.6 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","And so I feel like it's either I stopped listening or interrupt but this yeah, maybe I could sort this in my body so I don't need to. Anyway, I'm glad I waited because the punch line is even better so when you talked about how intimacy seems like a very solid or, you know, sell Jesus and me, the rest of the world goes to us like, okay, well first thought I had was that."
"2024-02-12 11:52:28.9 PST","Robby Butler","Right."
"2024-02-12 11:52:33.7 PST","Robby Butler","Uh-huh."
"2024-02-12 11:52:41.5 PST","Robby Butler","Okay."
"2024-02-12 11:52:48.1 PST","Robby Butler","Right."
"2024-02-12 11:52:51.8 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","So we really want to sort of like a productive into the scene right. I mention to see that produces something out of it."
"2024-02-12 11:53:02.5 PST","Robby Butler","Not, not necessarily as a goal but if you're not pursuing the same purpose, you don't have the same deport."
"2024-02-12 11:53:08.6 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Well, yeah, let me I understand that but it's more than that, right? Let me, let me hear what that's not much you man. Let me talk to you about what came to my mind and see if it converse to somewhere. So, it is the thing, so this like you, that there's an interim, like, cause this is my understanding or my belief is that it is out of this intimacy with god, that this is joy, this love, you know being loved by being known guys knowing who we are. In price knowing who be in. That is supposed to be the root in soft of all of our and work."
"2024-02-12 11:53:15.1 PST","Robby Butler","Okay, yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:53:18.1 PST","Robby Butler","But okay, yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:53:36.7 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:53:38.6 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","And that's what I mean by being a productive intimacy and then I don't think is gonna affect our rating is a podcast there, there is actually a word for productive intimacy. I believe the technical term is pro creation."
"2024-02-12 11:53:40.9 PST","Robby Butler","Right."
"2024-02-12 11:53:45.1 PST","Robby Butler","Oh."
"2024-02-12 11:53:48.1 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:53:52.3 PST","Robby Butler","Oh."
"2024-02-12 11:53:53.6 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Right and which you know, is not oh, so maybe the system about my sometimes it's directly productive, sometimes it's indirectly productive. And, but the, the parts line is that the biblical term for that in genesis is no."
"2024-02-12 11:53:54.7 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah, yeah, yup."
"2024-02-12 11:54:03.1 PST","Robby Butler","Uh-huh, right."
"2024-02-12 11:54:14.6 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","You know, and it's maybe a bit just like I said I've been talking too much time. Psychologist AI about this but there is a sense in which that is the right."
"2024-02-12 11:54:15.7 PST","Robby Butler","Right."
"2024-02-12 11:54:24.7 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:54:28.4 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","In fact I had a."
"2024-02-12 11:54:30.7 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:54:31.9 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Vision. I guess you can call it le, in the better term about I was, like, sort of asking the god for the reason for sex, and ended up with a monster and it's like, excuse me, what in the world can I possibly learn about sex from a bunch of Seles and father time shows up and says, well, sometimes the best way to understand something is from a distance."
"2024-02-12 11:54:52.9 PST","Robby Butler","Uh-huh."
"2024-02-12 11:54:57.2 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","And he showed me this picture, I saw I went to I walked to the end of the universe and I saw like from the Big Bang and the formation of elements and stars and galaxies and then earth and you know, apologies to be Intertrans here. But you know, micro, you know, chemicals and your first rocks and then chemicals, and then Micros, and then life, and it's like all of this sort of fusion resulting in this generated out, pouring you at every scale of the cosmos with you know, biological sex being just some of the last act in this."
"2024-02-12 11:55:00.1 PST","Robby Butler","Mm-hmm."
"2024-02-12 11:55:19.9 PST","Robby Butler","Right."
"2024-02-12 11:55:34.4 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","You know, and I guess marriage being the final scene in, in, in this general, you know, god splintering into a $1 billion Trion pieces of himself. So that they could rejoin in these marvels combinations. And the idea that pro created is the fundamental character of the universe."
"2024-02-12 11:55:41.5 PST","Robby Butler","Uh-huh."
"2024-02-12 11:55:53.5 PST","Robby Butler","Mm-hmm."
"2024-02-12 11:56:03.1 PST","Robby Butler","Mm-hmm."
"2024-02-12 11:56:05.6 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","And then that's what Christian he is supposed to be. This is interesting because, like, historically, in western Christianity if you're serious, mo, god, you were a sell Preas or a month actually and later please and they kinda, you were, were frankly, you know, possibly a matter of self defense towards marriage and sex."
"2024-02-12 11:56:08.5 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:56:19.3 PST","Robby Butler","Mm-hmm, right."
"2024-02-12 11:56:22.3 PST","Robby Butler","Right."
"2024-02-12 11:56:29.0 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","And certainly. And you may have noticed in modern culture the church time I'm very complicated relationship with sex, and the second culture is quite angry with the church about this. And, and so, that's one of the reasons why I've been doing this expiration why a bit more personal than that as well. But this idea that there's something very profound about Christianity and like as deeply practical level that is interment tied with these ideas of productive intimacy and that is the thing that, I mean for Menon, a, a professional perspective that is the."
"2024-02-12 11:56:31.3 PST","Robby Butler","Alright."
"2024-02-12 11:56:38.5 PST","Robby Butler","Right."
"2024-02-12 11:56:41.5 PST","Robby Butler","Yup."
"2024-02-12 11:56:49.3 PST","Robby Butler","Right."
"2024-02-12 11:57:04.9 PST","Robby Butler","Uh-huh."
"2024-02-12 11:57:11.1 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","We need to reform the church by shifting from this legalistic or cheap race mode to this more productive kind of a thing. But it appear push of like this is what I need, I got, right? I need to interact with god in a way where I am experiencing him. In my full Inbody being in a way that makes me a better version of myself. So I can show up emotionally with the other people in my lives that helps them see Christ and know Chris and ultimately be inspired to pursue Christ on their own. Like that's the whole thing. Like do like do this and we list."
"2024-02-12 11:57:25.3 PST","Robby Butler","Mm-hmm."
"2024-02-12 11:57:45.1 PST","Robby Butler","Alright."
"2024-02-12 11:57:51.1 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah, yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:57:55.3 PST","Robby Butler","I am it going, going back to what you said about no that we stuck in my brain is a question can we fully no price without caring about what is wanting to accomplish and my answer correct? Of course of that it's no, not everybody."
"2024-02-12 11:58:17.0 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Well, so, so, so slow down. So, so, so slow down a bit. I wanna make sure I part that sets correctly can we fully know Christ without caring about what he wants to accomplish."
"2024-02-12 11:58:24.7 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:58:32.0 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Cause I wanna that what you said."
"2024-02-12 11:58:35.5 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah, yeah, I think that's, those are the works. Yup."
"2024-02-12 11:58:37.4 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Okay, I think that's the right answer but not, I wouldn't know, I don't know if that's quite the correct question."
"2024-02-12 11:58:48.7 PST","Robby Butler","Well let me just elaborate a little bit on that. Oh, I do wanna say this isn't pitch for seeing what Chris cares about the way I see it but I think it applies in any relationship I can't calling out Jackie without carrying about what she cares about. For example, no, so anyway that's my sense of the question. Maybe you're way. Yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:58:49.4 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Okay, sorry, yeah."
"2024-02-12 11:59:10.4 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Yeah, the way I would tweak the question is the word fully it's kind of, it feels a bit binary to me."
"2024-02-12 11:59:20.5 PST","Robby Butler","Okay."
"2024-02-12 11:59:23.5 PST","Robby Butler","So, what would you, how would you read a it?"
"2024-02-12 11:59:24.2 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","That's a very binary question, the way it's phrased and secondly, it is sort of one dimensional like, okay, well you can, it's easy to know the other stuff but the part that missing the implication which is not what you said. But the way the question is prays like, well, if I care about what he wants then clearly I know him fully or I probably know fully or the rest is relatively easy."
"2024-02-12 11:59:30.1 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah, yeah, I would do that."
"2024-02-12 11:59:35.5 PST","Robby Butler","Okay."
"2024-02-12 11:59:51.1 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah, I wouldn't buy any of those. I didn't mean any of those but I can."
"2024-02-12 11:59:53.0 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Yeah, and like I said, like I said, the answer I agree with, is this the question I find challenging and so I said, like, okay, the."
"2024-02-12 11:59:59.5 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah, yeah."
"2024-02-12 12:00:02.6 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","I am in love with Christ. The more I love everything and everyone he loves."
"2024-02-12 12:00:12.1 PST","Robby Butler","Okay."
"2024-02-12 12:00:12.2 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Hey."
"2024-02-12 12:00:15.2 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","I think that's, I mean, least for me that's a more positive or more generous version of that same thing maybe equivalent to you. But for me at least a captures that it Apter is the, it's not like a step function from not knowing to knowing. It's like, no, this is a analog continuum of deeper and deeper levels of knowing. And, and in the particular one of the things that I, and I don't know if this is lighten in your question out but it triggered something in me is that like my friends, you know, the extreme side they're not passive in any sense of the work, right? They're all, you know, prayed over people and doing a Angelise and trying to pray, pray the seven mountains and things like that."
"2024-02-12 12:00:47.5 PST","Robby Butler","Uh-huh."
"2024-02-12 12:00:53.5 PST","Robby Butler","Right."
"2024-02-12 12:00:57.8 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","But the thing that jars on me is what I feel like this relational intimacy on the one hand is then replaced by a very sort of rigid works based performance afterwards. In certain contact, certain contacts. They are very organic and like a lot of the work they're doing and worship."
"2024-02-12 12:01:00.1 PST","Robby Butler","Uh-huh."
"2024-02-12 12:01:06.1 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah."
"2024-02-12 12:01:23.6 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","It's like very organic but then some of their like politics for example ends up being very much these to me feels very non ganic. Now again that's my Jose with the things that got, that I know. And understand maybe for a lot of them it actually is continuous just a, not a way I can see it. But the idea that it's this, it's not about like okay, first I have to con, with god, and then I care about the things he's doing. It's more that like, cause like this is my failure mode and perhaps yours. He's like, oh, yes, god lost me to do it when it was with my wife and with Scott, oh, my wife, wife would do this. So, I will then detach emotionally and go into task mode and just do the thing that they want me to do without carrying that intimacy, and love and connection, and emotional presence because that is how the law works the law works by slicing things up. And."
"2024-02-12 12:01:25.3 PST","Robby Butler","Okay, yup."
"2024-02-12 12:02:06.7 PST","Robby Butler","Huh."
"2024-02-12 12:02:16.9 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","So we can get more things done."
"2024-02-12 12:02:20.6 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","And there's value in that, but that is not intimate productive relations."
"2024-02-12 12:02:22.3 PST","Robby Butler","Mm-hmm."
"2024-02-12 12:02:28.9 PST","Robby Butler","Right."
"2024-02-12 12:02:33.1 PST","Robby Butler","And, and Paul's own experience the two we together from the beginning says I will you know, show you how much you my suffer and pursuit of my purpose."
"2024-02-12 12:02:44.0 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Oh."
"2024-02-12 12:02:50.5 PST","Robby Butler","In fact, that reference the suffering comes in right there at the beginning doesn't that's not."
"2024-02-12 12:02:52.4 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Yeah, and I wonder it's like, ugh, that's interesting it's almost like between intimacy and productivity there's suffering which going with each child birth is absolutely the case. And secondly, it's like, oh, maybe that's where across fits into this."
"2024-02-12 12:02:58.3 PST","Robby Butler","Uh-huh."
"2024-02-12 12:03:09.1 PST","Robby Butler","Yeah, yeah, yeah."
"2024-02-12 12:03:15.2 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Cause it is in some ways easy to did I yourself by losing yourself in you know in love, right? Yeah, the people talk about that all the time that emotional Tadic you union of just self forgetful very much eastern thing and maybe that's why there is this is a fascinating perspective if it, if it bus that we lose ourself in long but then we have to take up across go through the suffering part so that we can be productive in following him."
"2024-02-12 12:03:16.3 PST","Robby Butler","Uh-huh."
"2024-02-12 12:03:27.7 PST","Robby Butler","Alright."
"2024-02-12 12:03:34.9 PST","Robby Butler","Uh-huh."
"2024-02-12 12:03:50.5 PST","Robby Butler","Uh-huh."
"2024-02-12 12:03:54.1 PST","Robby Butler","Okay."
"2024-02-12 12:03:57.1 PST","Robby Butler","So there's, there's a level of I know or they, I don't know. I imagine maybe there's a review and a distance from people. I just don't know. Well that there are people who are just seeing the benefits. I knowing Jesus without bracing the purpose or accepting the suffering that lease."
"2024-02-12 12:04:24.2 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","And I think the issue is that there is, right? Because actually, if you just work or just feel life as simple."
"2024-02-12 12:04:35.6 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","If you have to work and feel at the same time it hurts more."
"2024-02-12 12:04:43.4 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","So Los, is that some weird artifact? Yup."
"2024-02-12 12:04:49.4 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Nope, I lost you."
"2024-02-12 12:05:42.8 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Don't tomorrow? I'll follow you home. You was a product. Just say okay, just say hi."
"2024-02-12 12:05:51.8 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Pro."
"2024-02-12 12:06:01.4 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","So let them drink your coffee."
"2024-02-12 12:06:09.2 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Have a good day."
"2024-02-12 12:06:21.8 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Morning."
"2024-02-12 12:06:32.0 PST","Ernest Prabhakar","Sorry can get this ad of the girls and not the dog."