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Sugar Snap Peas - WKNC Interviews.mp3
Meeting created at: 7th Nov, 2026 - 1:28 PM
00:00
Kendall
Hello and welcome. You are listening to WKNC 88.1 Raleigh. I'm your host, Kendall, and this is off the Record. Here with me today is local band Sugar Snap Peas. Okay, do you guys mind individually introducing yourself to the listeners so we know whose voice is who and then we can get started?
00:17
Phillip
Yeah. Hey, this is Philip. I am the singer and I play the violin for the band.
00:25
Brandon
Hey guys, it's Brandon. I play guitar for the band and I have a lot of fun playing guitar.
00:31
Duncan
And this is Duncan. I play saxophone.
00:34
Kendall
Okay, perfect. So Your guys's first EP was released in 2025 and it was called the World Stood Still. Were you guys making music before this?
00:44
Duncan
Yeah, we. When did we start? Philip always gets this wrong. When we. I.
00:49
Phillip
Thought it was 2022,.
00:52
Duncan
It. Was. Fall of 2023 I think. We first started rehearsing in October of 23. That was a different lineup than is currently though.
01:02
Brandon
Yeah, we've gone through some personnel changes over the years and before we released our. Our first ep. But yeah,.
01:10
Duncan
Philip wasn't with us when we first started rehearsing. Yeah,.
01:13
Brandon
Originally we recruited a female vocalist and she was really good. But we ultimately just parted ways. And also our drummer, the drummer that we had, John, who's in New York with his baby now and living it up in New York in his grandma's old house.
01:33
Duncan
Shout Out John.
01:34
Phillip
Yeah, everybody. Knows John's business now.
01:39
Brandon
That's right. And then, yeah, he moved and we got. We got to find another drummer after we played moonlight in the Garden, right?
01:51
Duncan
Yeah, I think so. Yeah.
01:54
Kendall
Nice. And then your guys new ep, I think it's called Connections. And so who was all like in the process of creating that?
02:01
Phillip
That one was mostly. Yeah, it was like all the three of us here and then our keyboardist Michael, our bassist Matt, and our drummer Eric. We started. I guess a lot of some of those songs had been in the works for a long time. But I would say like when we started forming, the idea to make them into an EP was probably what like last fall?
02:25
Duncan
It was probably. I think it was before that. We recorded that in like September of last year, I want to say. So we probably started preparing for it in July of 25.
02:39
Phillip
Yeah, were kind of working on them like were finishing up things with the first ep, the World Sits still. And then like also at the same time, like working on the recordings of the second one. Around the same time. Yeah,.
02:53
Brandon
Yeah. The first EP had quite a long turnaround time so were just trying to work on getting a second one. Out pretty quickly and now we're thinking about doing an album potentially. So. But we're going to take what we've learned from the first two EPs, hopefully, and have a quick turnaround for that as well. So, yeah, look forward to that. We have no idea what it's going to be called yet, but it's going to be amazing.
03:19
Kendall
What's the process for making a song versus making an EP and then I guess making an album if that does end up being created? What does that look like?
03:27
Brandon
Well, Duncan, I guess you could speak on that because you are the primary songwriter. You make most songs.
03:34
Duncan
I've been known to write songs,.
03:35
Brandon
Yes. He's a fantastic songwriter. Fantastic songwriter. Yeah. Go ahead.
03:41
Duncan
Okay. Yeah, I guess for writing a song like, God, I don't know. I usually like. So I play saxophone, but I do all my writing on the piano. And I am a harmony nerd. I love crazy chords. I will find a chord that I like and I will just play it over and over again for like 20 minutes straight. It's bad. I have an issue. But I'll usually start with a chord progression I think is usually where it comes in. Like I'm going for a specific color, a harmonic color, or I really just want to use like a certain set of chords. I find. I don't know if this is really a healthy writing habit, but I am often running away from things that I have previously written. So I wrote, you know, maybe I wrote a song and like minor 4 4.
04:31
Duncan
It had like a Latin funk esque groove and I want to do something different. So I'll try and go to the opposite end of the spectrum. I'll do like really bright, really colorful with a bunch of like major 7 sharp 11 chords or some nonsense like that. So it usually starts from there. And then I will sit on my couch or on my porch for a really long time and think about what do I want this song to be about. And my background is not in lyrical writing. Like I'm an instrumentalist. When I got started writing, probably for the first, like, I don't know, eight years I wrote, I exclusively wrote instrumental stuff. And so learning to write lyrics has been an interesting process for me. And I take a really long time to do it.
05:15
Duncan
It's just kind of thinking like, what do I want this song to be about? And then trying to come up with something that doesn't sound stupid for Philip to say that relates to that song what I want to be about. It's usually just like something that's like, I'm Thinking about a lot in life at the time. Maybe not like a specific event, but just, like a topic that's been on my mind. I'm trying to kind of, like, condense that into a lyrical format. So I usually start with chords, the lyrics, some kind of vocal melody, maybe put some rhythm behind it, make a demo, maybe a lead sheet. I love me some lead sheets. And then we bring it to the band.
05:53
Duncan
We just kind of workshop it for a really long time until we finally get it to where we want it to be. I'm not the only one that writes like Brandon writes. Philip has a song that we do as well.
06:03
Brandon
We're hoping to hear some more songs from Philip at some point. But, yeah, it's a similar ish process for me. I start with chords a lot of the times. Just ideas happen sporadically while I'm playing or practicing. And then I'm just like, oh, that's pretty cool. And I have, like, hundreds and hundreds of recordings of, like, this is a cool idea. And that's the name of the recording on my phone. And then I go back to it, and I'm like, I have no idea what this is, and I have to listen to it. And I don't say the chords out loud, so I have to transcribe it again. So it's annoying. It's definitely a process. But with lyrics, one thing that I do that I find that helps is I will decide, like, Duncan does what I want the song to be about.
06:50
Brandon
And then if I get stuck. Cause sometimes I'm able to write a song and the lyrics just kind of effortlessly come out. I think our song advice off of Connections, that's an example of when the lyrics came out really easily. I will take advice that I saw in a YouTube video from a while ago. I think it was Rick Rubin working with Pink. And he asked her. I could be completely wrong about that, but he asked her to write an essay about what the song should be about. And she did that. And that's exactly what I do. I just take it upon myself to write an essay. Very, very loose structure. It's not like a school essay. It's just basically a creative writing exercise. And that's, I would say, how Color of the sky came about the lyrics for that one.
07:44
Brandon
But, yeah, that's basically what goes into writing songs for me.
07:49
Kendall
That's awesome. You guys are so creative and inventive. And, Philip, do you want to talk about, like, what that lyric writing process looks like to you?
07:57
Phillip
Yeah. So I have only written one song for the Band so far, and it's not one that we've recorded yet. I feel like generally the whole band, when someone brings a song, like when Duncan or Brandon brings a song, we will all add things to it of our own choices for our own instruments. Me, like, I'll. I'll usually workshop some of the vocal melodies that either of the two of them will bring, and maybe we change some of the words in a small capacity so that it's like, yeah, it's all still, like, generally a single person's vision and then everybody's execution is a little bit up to them. I feel. When I feel compelled to write music is generally when I'm very sad about something. Because. It's like, intense.
08:48
Brandon
Emotions.
08:49
Phillip
It's like, that's when I feel like I have. The most I need to say about something is when I'm, like, going through it. I'm, like, in the trenches. And so the one song that I wrote was sort of when I was not. Was feeling it. And usually, yeah, it's like, usually I feel like I'll try to come up with some kind of chord progression or melody that captures the feeling that I. That I am feeling. And then I will. I will work the lyrics around that. And it generally is something that I'm. I'm thinking about. So.
09:25
Duncan
When everybody. Like when anybody brings a song in and then everybody workshops their own part is very important. If the vocals sounded like what my vocals sound like on the demos that I record for these songs, it would be that's. It's pretty putrid stuff. Nobody wants to listen to that.
09:41
Brandon
We should release that.
09:43
Duncan
No,.
09:43
Brandon
Those are.
09:44
Phillip
My favorite.
09:45
Brandon
There's a few where you can hear Duncan is keeping rhythm with his foot, and you can hear it slapping against the wooden floor. It's hilarious.
09:52
Duncan
Sounds really good.
09:54
Kendall
How did you guys all meet?
09:59
Duncan
I guess I met everybody first. Brandon. Well, Brandon and Philip I met through the same friend who also went to NC State, which is how I knew her. Mostly people from college. The only members of the band that haven't been a direct connection through college somehow have been our drummers. But even though Philip didn't go to school with the rest of us, like, I still know him through people that I went to school with. And I think the first time we had rehearsal was the first time everybody else in the band had met each other. Pretty much,.
10:34
Kendall
Yeah. How often do you guys play?
10:38
Brandon
When we play out, we try to play. Usually at least a gig a month. We all are in our professional careers, and this isn't our main Focus. Thankfully we don't have to rely on it to feed ourselves. So we have the luxury of being able to choose the gigs that we want to play. So we don't like to overload ourselves but we also really like to play shows. So sometimes it ends up being more than once a month and I'm really happy for that. But as far as rehearsals, we try to rehearse every week. We've been kind of putting a pause on that lately. Just you know, have a think about things and. Yeah,.
11:26
Duncan
Accurate.
11:28
Phillip
Yeah, it's like, I don't know, it's always a challenge balancing brand. It's like everybody works full time and we all have different work schedules and so yeah, it's a very classic local band tries to just stay alive amidst other obligations of life and stuff. Yeah,.
11:48
Duncan
Honestly scheduling stuff can be hard. I did not think that scheduling shows would be as difficult as it often proves to be.
11:57
Phillip
Probably one of the most challenging things about. Yeah,.
11:59
Duncan
It kind of sucks. Hate doing.
12:02
Brandon
It. It's the worst.
12:04
Duncan
And like I think what the problem that we run into is kind of an interesting one because like we're not doing the normal indie rock thing that a lot of other like I guess local bands do. And I think the Raleigh at least the kinds of places that we have been pursuing to play really try and book or are often like you usually see an indie rock band at like Neptune's or Kings in downtown Raleigh. That's just not what we do. And I think because we're kind of on the outside of that genre bubble a little bit, it makes things a little more difficult. Like I think we're at the point now where it isn't too hard but like for example, like my roommate is. Has been in multiple indie rock bands and people just hit him up to play all the time.
12:55
Duncan
It's like indie rock bands hitting up indie rock bands. But indie rock bands and our experience at least don't hit up jazz, fusion, curmudgeon bands like whatever in the world we are.
13:04
Song
For those of you wondering what curmudgeon means,.
13:08
Kendall
It's a crusty, ill tempered and usually old man. Thank you, Merriam Webster.
13:16
Duncan
We make it work though.
13:17
Brandon
Yeah, it's like the back to the future thing. It's like they don't love it but their kids are going to love it. They'll see. We'll be like really.
13:25
Duncan
Popular.
13:26
Brandon
With, with when we all get older like everybody's gonna be like, you know those sugar snap peas, they really, you know, they did something special.
13:34
Duncan
We'll See about that.
13:35
Kendall
How would you describe like the evolution of your guys sound over time in your band if you had to like label it?
13:43
Brandon
Well, the first thing I'll say is that we always struggle to find a label for it because the genre that, you know, all the words, all the fancy words, you know, in Spotify, they come up with a bunch of different, like random nouns and adjectives to put together to describe a genre.
14:02
Duncan
There's some pretty funny labels that they offer.
14:04
Kendall
You.
14:05
Brandon
We can't even describe our music accurately, so we say like dream pop and jazz fusion. I think we kind of draw inspiration from those, but we're not quite either of those either. It's just really interesting. It's just kind of hard to explain like what our music really is as far as how it's evolved. I don't know. I think overall, I think we're just kind of discovering more interesting aspects of life in our lyrics and also more creative ways to approach writing a song. I think both of our EPs, they're very harmonically complex, but overall I just think we are growing as musicians as we continue to play together and we're all just coming up with stuff where we're all just like, oh, wow, that was really cool. Yeah, I think that's how we're evolving.
15:06
Duncan
Yeah, I largely agree with that. Yeah. I don't know what in the world we play. Like, I don't know what to call it. I gave up, tried to call it anything a long time ago. I want to say in terms of genre, we've really changed all that much. I think, at least personally, in the way that I approach songwriting has changed pretty significantly. Like the way that I write lyrics I feel like is pretty different now than it was when we first started. Just because like I had literally zero idea what I was doing back then and now I have a little bit of idea what I was doing. And the way that I think about song structure I think has also changed. And specifically like where the saxophone fits and a lot of things.
15:49
Duncan
It's kind of a weird lineup that there's just one horn and not a horn section. Usually you see all or nothing. And that's been a weird niche to try to fit, especially live because on the second ep Connections, we had a full horn section for three of the four songs and that was a ton of fun. But when it's just a saxophone, it's a weird like. Well, you can't really do horn like section parts because it's just one saxophone and you can't do Harmonies. But we also have so many instruments in the band. Like we already have vocals and then we have keys and guitar. And do you really need another lead instrument on top of that? It's just a lot to figure out. I'm trying to find where the saxophone fits.
16:36
Duncan
I'd say the way that I've gone about approaching that has definitely changed over time.
16:41
Kendall
What do you mean by like full horn section? I know like my background is not in music, so like half of the stuff you're saying, I'm like, oh God, I don't know what that means.
16:51
Duncan
Just like other brass and wood ones. So like trumpet, trombones, saxophones. On the second EP Connections, we had a three piece horn section. So we had a trumpet player, trombone, and tenor saxophone. On the next time we record, I would love to have more than that. I'd love to go crazy with a lot of horns. But that's also more parts to write and more musicians that I have to find to play that. So we'll see about that.
17:15
Kendall
I think this is Duncan's attempt to recruit all horn players for Sugar Snap Peas. So if you play a horn instrument, contact Duncan.
17:24
Phillip
Yeah. On the like, the evolution of the sounds side, it's like, I do feel like we've kind of used the label of jazz fusion for a long time because I feel like that was a lot of the. That described a lot of the artists that a lot of the group took inspiration of when this became a thing and when we sort of started writing music. So a lot of those artists are like what I would. What I feel like a lot of maybe your early songs, Duncan were kind of going off of and. But there is a lot of significant like differences from that genre. Like I feel like most jazz fusion doesn't generally have a lyric of a vocalist with. With lyrics. And.
18:06
Duncan
When it does, it's not very good.
18:09
Phillip
And like, you know, some of the effects that we use on our instruments are different from the genre. Like Brandon has a. Has a lot of rock effects. Brandon has.
18:20
Duncan
A spaceship of a pedal board.
18:21
Phillip
Brandon has a pedal board.
18:22
Brandon
If we could take about like 90 minutes to talk about my pedal board.
18:26
Duncan
Yeah,.
18:26
Kendall
No, for sure, go for it.
18:27
Phillip
50 Million pedals on his pedal board. I.
18:29
Duncan
Should have brought it up. That was the first blunder.
18:32
Phillip
So like it's. Yeah, it's like, it's a divergence from that, I guess, but that's like kind of where it all. That's like the first thing that we all had in common, I guess, that we liked about. About music. And then I feel like the way that it's different now when we write songs is like we all kind of know what we like to play and what we like to do in the songs. And that kind of shows up more like in our songs. Like Brandon has certain like licks he likes to do in a song, certain effects that he likes.
19:01
Phillip
I have certain ways that I like to style my voice when I sing and like a certain place that I like that Duncan has the same like, you know, chords that he has found that he likes and certain types of melodies that he's found that he likes. So it's like in. In the Connections EP and then hopefully in the future work like there is more of a. It is becoming a little bit more formulaic for us. I guess we kind of know what we like more so now than when we started.
19:25
Brandon
Yeah, we're kind of understanding each other as musicians better and learning what the other person likes to do and kind of working around that again, kind of talking about some of the licks. Some of it works for us, some of it works against us. I, me, I got a new ish guitar and I really like to play with the whammy bar and that was not right for ourselves. That's a true.
19:51
Duncan
He does really. Like I did have to,.
19:54
Brandon
I did have to lay off of that. That is something that I like to do. But you know, maybe there will be a song where that is exclusively the effect. So you never know.
20:03
Duncan
We'll see.
20:05
Kendall
At like the beginning when you guys are creating something like a song album or something. Is there like pre existing expectations that you have of yourself and of each. Or is it like, you know, you. You write your lyrics and then you come together and you kind of like create it in front of you know what I mean?
20:21
Brandon
I think it's just best practice for the person who. Because generally like one thing that I think we're working on is writing songs more collaboratively. But generally what we've done so far is just the person that writes a song has a pretty good idea of how they want the overall song to sound. And Duncan of course does a fantastic job of that. He writes all of the individual parts and is like always ready to be able to direct the band. He's kind of natural at that. But yeah, we kind of expect that. But we're open to the idea of collaborating just like with a more rudimentary idea. But it just like unfortunately like when you do that, you kind of waste a rehearsal session.
21:11
Brandon
Not waste, because it ultimately we're creating music, but if we, you know, our plan was to work on the songs that we're going to play before show, then we're not going to be able to do that. If we are, you know, jamming for two and a half hours instead of practicing, which I love doing, but, you know, it won't reflect well when we perform. So.
21:35
Kendall
Has that happened?
21:37
Brandon
I don't think so. I mean, we've had kind of bad performances, but yeah, of course everybody does. But for the most part, I think that's mostly kind of just us being critical of ourselves largely. Like, I think we do a good job performing and it's definitely been a mental battle just trying to remember that you're playing live music and you're always going to make mistakes and sometimes they're really bad mistakes. But the idea is to just keep the mistakes to a minimum.
22:12
Phillip
Yeah. Like playing a lot and writing music and practicing music are like, you can't do all three of them well, probably because there's just like, we all have jobs and other commitments. So it's just like you just do your best. And I think this year we have been playing a lot of shows. We generally play random to one to two events a month. And so it's like having to balance keeping all of the songs that you normally play sounding nice and then also trying to work in time to learn new stuff and get that up to speed. You just kind of have to pick and choose your. Your battles and also understand that you play so much that you might mess up every now and then. And that's fine. Everybody does. Putting on a perfect show every single time is just not.
23:07
Phillip
It's not feasible,.
23:09
Duncan
Unfortunately. It's not.
23:11
Brandon
It'd be boring, I think, if that was the case. Right.
23:15
Duncan
Yeah. I'm going to, if I may, I'm going to go back to the original question. Okay, go for.
23:20
Kendall
It.
23:22
Duncan
About like the expectations for whenever we're starting something.
23:25
Kendall
Yeah.
23:26
Duncan
I think being able to lean on other people is one of the really great things about playing with other people. My writing background was like scoring or sheet music for instruments, like in a jazz big band or even like a classical or classical adjacent setting where you are writing every note of every part for the entire piece of music. And I think that taught me a lot about how like different instruments work. But I can't play or write for drums better than our drummer can. I can't write for bass better than our bass player can. And so while like I might come to rehearsal with a new song and certain ideas of, like, generally I want, like this kind of Latin esque groove or maybe I want the bass to play this specific riff here.
24:18
Duncan
It's really nice when there isn't like a super solidified idea for one section to be able to lean on the other people and see what ideas that they have. And maybe it's not necessarily what we want to move forward with, but it's at least a starting point that we can workshop. And they're going to be able to play way better or. Right. Way better than anything that I'm going to be able to put together on my own.
24:41
Kendall
Yeah, definitely. Brandon, you were nodding your head. Do you agree? Did you have a similar background or.
24:46
Brandon
Oh, no, I did not. I was just nodding my head because I'm like, yeah, I agree. He's really good at doing that. So.
24:54
Kendall
And then you talked about venues and like, the scheduling issues that you guys have run into. Is there like, venues that you want to play at that you haven't yet or, like, you know, what's a goal in Colorado?
25:05
Brandon
Yeah.
25:06
Kendall
Oh, my. I meet. Okay, so I'm originally from Colorado and I was interviewing Girl. Brutal, like two weeks ago, and we had a whole conversation about Red Rocks. Because I was like, yeah, I had my high school graduation there.
25:17
Duncan
Whoa,.
25:17
Kendall
That's. And everyone has, like the same reaction. And it's just so funny to me because I grew up going to so many concerts there and I didn't realize how big of a thing it was.
25:24
Duncan
Gonna be real. I, like, don't know what Red.
25:26
Kendall
Rocks are.
25:27
Brandon
You can get us a gig there. You'll learn, Duncan. Don't worry.
25:30
Duncan
I'll figure it out. Yeah,.
25:31
Brandon
When we get there, that's how you'll learn. Don't look it up.
25:34
Duncan
I live under a pretty thick slab of concrete. He.
25:37
Phillip
Lives under a different colored rock.
25:39
Duncan
I do.
25:39
Phillip
Yeah,.
25:40
Duncan
Yeah, it's not red.
25:42
Kendall
Do you guys get it? Like, he's saying he lives under a rock that's not red. Because were talking about Red Rocks. Just for those of you that might have been confused, AKA me,.
25:55
Duncan
With the venues, I think we've played pretty much all of the venues in the area. I think we'd be interested in playing. The last one that I don't think we checked off our list was Kings, but we played that earlier in the year and that was a pretty fun show. Going out of town, I think is the thing that we really want to do next. We've played Greensboro a couple of times at this place called the Back Table. Shout Out Back TABLE I'm from Charlotte. I really want to play in Charlotte a little bit. We have not played in Charlotte yet. Bummer. But I think trying to get elsewhere in the state is probably the next big thing that we want to do.
26:30
Brandon
Yeah. Elsewhere and across the country. I know some of our contemporaries, they are doing some tours around.
26:40
Duncan
Nc.
26:41
Brandon
Yeah. But yeah, if I may give another joke answer, we should also play Red Hat. That's a really cool venue. I just went there for the first time to go see. Oh man, I'm blanking on the name. Turnstile. Turnstile. Really cool hardcore band. And the openers were really awesome as well as a really nice place. And I hear there. I mean, I'm pretty sure I could see the construction of the new Red Hat looks pretty interesting.
27:13
Kendall
If you guys could play at any venue in the whole world, where would you want to play?
27:18
Phillip
Whole world.
27:21
Duncan
There is. I'll go first. There is a amphitheater in Vienna. I think that there's a video of. Who is it? Chick Corea and Bobby McFerrin doing a duo set at. It's like the greatest thing of all time. I think that would be kind of cool. I have no idea where it is besides Vienna or Austria or something. That'd be pretty sick.
27:53
Brandon
Yeah, that does sound pretty sick. I don't know, I kind of gave away all of the places I'd like to play in my jokes earlier. So.
28:03
Phillip
I just think of like what's the largest stadium that exists? I don't know.
28:06
Duncan
I think it's that one in North Korea, right?
28:09
Phillip
Oh, the. Oh, Pyongyang. That one. That would be cool. Or like, I don't know, like. Like what? Like SoFi Stadium or something like that in L. A where they got like the 2 million foot square like LED screen.
28:22
Duncan
I.
28:22
Phillip
Don't know. That'd be kind of fun. Maybe.
28:24
Kendall
Duncan, have you been to Vienna?
28:26
Duncan
I've never been out of the country before.
28:28
Kendall
Have you guys been out of the country?
28:29
Phillip
Yeah,.
28:30
Brandon
Recently. Yeah. Speaking of Korea, I just went to Korea. That was a really awesome experience. I forced my family to go do music related things A couple of days. We went to like this music district where there are a bunch of music stores. And in typical guitar player fashion, I picked up a guitar, left handed guitar because they did have a few of those and played for like half an hour until I got really dirty looks and then I left.
28:58
Duncan
Kid in the candy store.
28:59
Brandon
Basically, yeah. Kid in a candy store and he can't buy any candy because it would get damaged in shipping.
29:06
Phillip
Sad.
29:07
Duncan
That's usually the problem children run into when they go to candy stores.
29:11
Brandon
That's right.
29:13
Kendall
Philip, where did you go?
29:15
Phillip
I've been a lot of places recently. I went toronto.
29:19
Brandon
Philip is very well traveled.
29:21
Duncan
Philip's Mr. Worldwide. I.
29:22
Phillip
Don't know literally everywhere. That was the last. That was the last place I went to, though. I have some family live in Toronto. So.
29:28
Kendall
Do you have a favorite place that you've been?
29:30
Phillip
Favorite place, I would say, like, for the nature. Like, if I was going on a nature trip, my favorite place I went to was, like, Iceland. It was just like,.
29:41
Kendall
Oh, my God.
29:42
Phillip
Really pretty.
29:43
Kendall
I was just thinking of Iceland. I was in Iceland.
29:45
Phillip
You really? No way. What did you think?
29:47
Kendall
I loved it. I. It's a really random story. It'll probably take up too much time. But I did solo trip it, and I did the ring road in, like, two days. You.
29:54
Phillip
Drove the whole thing by yourself?
29:55
Kendall
Yeah.
29:56
Phillip
Oh, my.
29:56
Kendall
It was really bizarre. I, like, slept in my car on this dirt road. It was. Yeah, very poorly planned, but I had an amazing.
30:04
Phillip
Time.
30:05
Kendall
Yeah, it was beautiful. I loved it.
30:06
Phillip
It was. I did that drive over the course of a week with, like, four other. Three or four other people, and I was. I was still tired because we drove, like. I don't know. You drive a lot every day. And I drove, like, most, like, at least three hours a day. Yeah. So that was. That was a really pretty place.
30:22
Kendall
You guys should go. Like 10 out of 10 experience.
30:25
Brandon
Philip got some pictures from there, and were actually considering using them for our first ep, but ultimately we decided against it because.
30:33
Duncan
Because our bass player hates Iceland.
30:36
Brandon
Yeah.
30:36
Kendall
Why?
30:37
Brandon
How.
30:37
Kendall
Can you hate Iceland?
30:39
Brandon
Don't ask questions. He also was concerned that they weren't taken for the purpose of the ep. They were just kind of haphazardly taken. But I'm open to that. But ultimately, everybody gets a say, so we're very democratic about things. I mean, you could ask us about how long it took to come up with our name. Oh, wait. Yeah.
31:01
Kendall
How long did it take to come up with.
31:02
Brandon
Your name? Oh, man. It took a very long time. We were nameless for several months upon our creation. And everybody had. That was.
31:12
Phillip
Different for this. This was before.
31:14
Brandon
Yeah. This predates.
31:15
Duncan
Philip.
31:17
Brandon
Bp, if you could say. But yeah, we literally had a list of hundreds of names that we all came up with. And then we just had to give up, basically say, all right, we're doing ranked choice voting. And we came up with our top 10 from there. And then we did some more ranked choice voting. And Sugar Snap Peas won. Should we say what the second place was?
31:42
Duncan
The second place choice was a dead bird.
31:46
Brandon
Yeah.
31:46
Kendall
Sugar snap peas versus a dead bird.
31:48
Duncan
Yeah. Yeah.
31:50
Phillip
What does that make you think of? How do you feel when you hear that?
31:53
Kendall
I didn't say this in the interview, but it makes me feel bad, Philip. It makes me think of hereditary. When I hear a dead bird.
32:00
Duncan
Yeah.
32:01
Kendall
The first things that comes to my mind is that a flock of crows is called a murder. That's all I got.
32:07
Duncan
That's also a good band name.
32:08
Phillip
I didn't know that's called.
32:09
Duncan
Just the phrase. A flock of crows is called a murder.
32:12
Kendall
Yeah. There's a book that's called Six of Crows.
32:16
Brandon
Haven't heard of it. No,.
32:17
Kendall
That's okay. It's fine. Okay. I was searching you guys on the Internet, right? And I found a website.
32:23
Brandon
Amazing. Incredible.
32:24
Kendall
Did you guys actually make that? Because it was.
32:26
Duncan
Like, this.
32:27
Kendall
Is unsafe. Like, do not proceed onto the website. And I was like, what the heck is going on.
32:31
Phillip
Here? Security. No. Encryption.
32:33
Duncan
Yeah, yeah, that. That is. Data will.
32:35
Phillip
Be lost. That's.
32:36
Duncan
Home cooking right there. Yeah, that was.
32:39
Phillip
That was the work of our. Our bassist. Our bassist, Matt.
32:43
Duncan
He's got talent.
32:44
Phillip
He has. He has a vision. He's a graphic designer. As you can tell, if you go to the website, you.
32:50
Kendall
Know, it's beautiful. The colors are awesome.
32:52
Duncan
Did you play any of the games?
32:54
Kendall
I. I saw the games and I was going to ask you guys the inspiration behind the Sugar Snap Peas, the video game. And then have you taken what kind of pru. And then I was going to ask what kind of pr. You guys,.
33:06
Duncan
I can't get myself on that. I. I've gone. So the what kind of P are you? Is just like a Buzzfeed style quiz, and you end up getting one of the six of us. I've taken it probably three to four dozen times. I think I've gotten. I probably got pretty even split between getting Philip and Brandon. I've got him. Matt. A little bit. You automatically get Matt depending on what your answer to the milk question is. And then I think I might have gotten Brandon once.
33:40
Kendall
Okay.
33:41
Brandon
I haven't taken it. It's just slipped my mind constantly. I know I'm a fake. Pee.
33:46
Duncan
Yeah, for real.
33:48
Brandon
I'm sure I would get myself. So I'm me.
33:52
Phillip
I have not. Yeah, I've not taken the quiz, but apparently.
33:54
Kendall
Wow.
33:55
Phillip
People get me on the quiz. I.
33:57
Duncan
Get you on the quiz. I don't get myself.
33:59
Phillip
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what that says about Duncan.
34:04
Brandon
We're not even fans of ourselves. No, it was funny. Cause at Shakori, we randomly ran into this lady that was kind of organizing all of the events, and she was like, yeah, I looked you guys up on Google and found your website, and your website is amazing. And were like, oh, my God,.
34:23
Kendall
Thank.
34:24
Brandon
You. That was just such a random thing.
34:27
Phillip
Did you take the quiz? Did you get answer?
34:30
Kendall
I didn't take the quiz. This was, in fact, like, 10 minutes before.
34:33
Phillip
You.
34:33
Kendall
Came.
34:35
Phillip
The website is not very easy to navigate.
34:38
Duncan
What are you talking about? It's immaculate.
34:41
Brandon
It's very intuitive,.
34:42
Phillip
Very entertaining.
34:43
Duncan
The website, for anybody interested, the website is peas.
34:47
Phillip
Peas band,.
34:49
Duncan
P E A S dot B A N D.
34:53
Brandon
Paid a lot of money for that domain.
34:55
Duncan
Like, five bucks.
34:56
Brandon
Yeah, it's a lot.
34:58
Kendall
Duncan, why is your weakness cars?
35:01
Duncan
Well, I biked here,.
35:03
Kendall
Right?
35:04
Duncan
That says anything.
35:05
Kendall
Yeah.
35:06
Duncan
Yeah.
35:06
Kendall
Do you want to go into, like, your bike story? Like, you know why you love biking? What was your first bike? Do you name your bikes? Like, let's hear.
35:14
Duncan
It. No, I don't name things. That's weird.
35:16
Phillip
Wow.
35:16
Duncan
Sorry to anybody that names things. I don't mean offense by the ouchies.
35:20
Kendall
I'm offended.
35:21
Brandon
Seething.
35:22
Duncan
I started biking a lot, like, at the end of high school. Actually started biking because I got rejected. I was like, dang, I need something to clear my mind. And so I just started, like, biking through random neighborhoods near my house and, like, going down every single road in the neighborhood because I was like, I haven't. Like, these are right next to my house. But I've never been down here before. I should figure out what's down here. And I was like, dang, this is pretty sick. And I eventually, like, I lived in Charlotte, and I bite to the South Carolina border was the first big ride that I did. It's not like it's Charlotte's right on the border. How many.
35:56
Kendall
Miles is that?
35:57
Duncan
I don't know. Not a lot.
35:59
Brandon
45,000?
36:00
Duncan
No, not quite that much. I literally couldn't tell you.
36:03
Kendall
So I did, in fact, look this up, and it's anywhere from three to 12 miles. So we're just going to say Duncan biked 14 miles from Charlotte to the South Carolina border. Good job, Duncan.
36:17
Duncan
And then I just kept doing it from there. Like, I've biked around Raleigh, a town. Raleigh has a pretty cool greenway system. I biked to Durham a handful of times. Our bass player Matt and I biked to Durham. That was pretty funny. He threw up a Lot. After that, we bite to Clayton. His bike broke halfway back from Clayton. And then I had to do the last two hours by myself, and then I nearly threw up afterwards. I've biked to Chapel Hill a couple times. Farthest I've biked is Sax Baha, which is where the HA River Ballroom is. It's a really cool music venue in the area.
36:49
Kendall
Oh, yeah, I know what that is.
36:51
Duncan
That's pretty sick.
36:52
Phillip
Far away.
36:53
Duncan
Yeah, it's a little ways away.
36:56
Brandon
Long distance. Shout out to the districts. That's a cool song. Long distance.
37:04
Duncan
I haven't heard of.
37:06
Kendall
Yeah, I have. No.
37:07
Brandon
Well, I wanted to mention this earlier about lyrics, just before I forget it, but there are really cool lyricists. I'm definitely jealous of Madison Cunningham being one of them. The lyrics that she writes are absolutely amazing.
37:23
Kendall
So I actually did look up Madison Cunningham, and this is from her song called Song in My Head. And she says, I don't want to be lost. I don't want to be forgotten. I don't want to pretend that it's all right. I want to see these walls crumble and dissolve around me. So you were onto something, Brandon.
37:41
Brandon
And then Rob Groat of the Districts also writes really awesome lyrics. And I'm just like, how do you come up with poetry like that? It's insane. But yeah, sorry for the tangent there. But, yeah, I myself am not into biking. I'm getting into skateboarding. You can thank my. Actually, our mutual friend Quinn. That's who you were referring to, right? Our mutual connection.
38:10
Duncan
The EP connection.
38:12
Brandon
Yes, yes.
38:14
Phillip
Out now.
38:16
Brandon
But we. We decided to skateboard one time because she was hanging out at my house, and we decided to skate to a sheetz because it's right nearby. And I'd always wanted to go to sheets, like, late at night, but just never had the energy to. And then that night I did. And ever since then, yeah, it was magical. And ever since then I've been like, wow, skateboarding's so fun. And I have the scars to prove it. It's also hurtful. It hurts, but it's really fun. But that's my little rolling around activity that I do. That's not driving.
38:52
Kendall
Yeah. Philip, do you have a rolling around activity?
38:55
Phillip
Rolling around activity? I don't. I don't think. I have no wheeled activity other than driving my vehicle. My car. What do I do?
39:05
Duncan
Fake fan.
39:09
Phillip
What do I do? I run sometimes. I guess that's my movement. Movement activity. And I play basketball, so I roll around on the floor when I get dunked on and play Match pickup basketball.
39:21
Duncan
I'm always dunking on Philip.
39:22
Phillip
Yeah,.
39:22
Brandon
Because he's dunked.
39:23
Phillip
Duncan also plays with me sometimes. Knee slapper.
39:25
Duncan
I'm pretty abysmal.
39:27
Kendall
At basketball.
39:28
Duncan
Oh, yeah.
39:29
Kendall
It's a hard sport.
39:30
Duncan
It is hard. It's.
39:30
Brandon
Hard.
39:31
Duncan
Some people are good at it. I'm not one of those.
39:35
Brandon
The basketball rolls. Your ankle will roll.
39:37
Phillip
My ankles rolled. I have rolled my ankles many times.
39:40
Duncan
That counts.
39:41
Brandon
Ballin. That's how you know you're pollen. Just like.
39:44
Phillip
Playing pickle basketball in your. Your mid to late 20s. Dude, it's not. It's not for the week.
39:49
Kendall
All right, before we get into more questions, we're gonna take a quick break and listen to November again off of Sugar Snap Peas new EP called Connections.
40:17
Song
I don't mind if you sneak into view of you that's surely better off without you so I open the door and love walks in oh how I wish you'd never been. Despite my word feelings they endure Thinking on a hope that you're return so I open the door love walking oh, how I wish that you never been. Sailor for November again.
43:24
Kendall
Alrighty. Welcome back. Let's get into it and learn what sports Sugar Snap Peas played while growing up. Did you guys play sports growing up?
43:33
Duncan
Poorly.
43:34
Phillip
I played. Let's see, I played, like, fourth. I played soccer in, like, third grade or something like that. Like church league soccer. And I played church league basketball sixth grade. And then I did play tennis for two years in high school, but I made the team because our coach didn't cut anybody who tried out on the team. It was fun. It was fun.
43:56
Brandon
I played a lot of different sports when I was younger, but then when I started taking piano in middle school, that's when I quit sports because I was like, I want to do this now instead of have to go to practice. I was, like, halfway decent at a lot of them, but my parents will say I was the best at baseball. I didn't really feel like I was all that good. I.
44:19
Phillip
Didn't even know that.
44:20
Brandon
At baseball. Yeah. And then, I mean, what happened in the last season that I ever played was I just, like, got up to bat one day and I was like, yo, that ball could, like. That could, like, hurt me. Hit me in the face. And then I never. I literally never hit a single ball, like, after that.
44:39
Kendall
Oh, my God.
44:41
Brandon
Just the awareness and that fear. It's been an important lesson to me. That's when Brandon.
44:47
Duncan
Became conscious.
44:47
Brandon
Yeah. Literally. Like a toddler gaining consciousness. I gain consciousness of things that can hurt me, but it's been an important lesson to not let those types of things control you. I'm sure I could hit a ball today, and it's probably related. I used to be afraid of riding amusement park rides, but now I don't care.
45:10
Duncan
So much. Character growth.
45:11
Kendall
Yeah. Duncan, what sport did you play?
45:15
Duncan
I played a lot of soccer, really poorly, and I played a season and a half of church league basketball, also really poorly.
45:24
Phillip
There you go.
45:24
Duncan
The half year was because my brother played, and his team didn't have enough people for subs, so my parents were like, duncan, go join his basketball team. I was like, okay. And then I get put in the first game. I'm there. I, like, get the ball, and nobody's around me. And so I start doing a fast break towards the other basket. I'm at half court. I hear some dude who's like half a foot taller than me running after me. I'm like, oh, shoot, I better shoot the ball before he gets to me.
45:51
Phillip
Right now.
45:52
Duncan
And I throw the ball completely vertically into the air at half court, absolutely nowhere near the basket. That was the first play I had of that season. That's.
46:04
Kendall
Pretty awesome.
46:04
Duncan
It was pretty epic.
46:06
Kendall
Yeah. Pretty unforgettable.
46:07
Duncan
Yeah. Yeah. Really the peak of my career. My life, maybe.
46:11
Kendall
Yeah. Everything was downhill after.
46:13
Duncan
That. Yeah. Yeah. Including the ball because it fell from the ceiling when I chucked it at.
46:17
Phillip
Did you play any Kendall?
46:19
Kendall
Yeah, I played soccer basically my whole life, and then I tore my ACL and high school. Yeah. So I was like, commission for, like, a year.
46:28
Duncan
Yeah. That's tough.
46:29
Kendall
Yeah. Cross country, tennis, Some golf in there, too.
46:32
Phillip
Is it, like. Is it, like, back, like your knee now?
46:35
Kendall
Yeah. Yeah.
46:35
Duncan
Has it returned?
46:36
Kendall
It has returned. Because that was,.
46:38
Phillip
Like,.
46:38
Kendall
What, five years ago?
46:39
Phillip
Yeah.
46:40
Kendall
Yeah.
46:40
Phillip
Well, it's like such, like, a mental. Like, mentally, you have to, like, get over, like. Like, you have to, like, trust your knee again.
46:45
Kendall
Yeah. I went back to soccer, too, after it, but then I was like, this is not what I want. But it's like every single time, I, like, cut inwards and I think about my knee, and then I just, like, envision myself tearing it again. I'm like, I can't do that.
46:58
Duncan
Yeah, that's fair.
47:00
Kendall
Do you guys have any dreams or nightmares?
47:03
Duncan
Oh, yeah.
47:04
Kendall
I should have been scared after Duncan's initial response to this question, but I fear I wasn't prepared for his answer. So this is your warning, Duncan. I think you need to go get this dream psychoanalyzed, because I don't think I've heard anything onto this scale Before. Tell us.
47:24
Duncan
I. I got. Always talking. Sorry. Let's go take a second. I had a reoccurring nightmare for maybe about 10 years. Once a year, on Christmas Every year. It's a.
47:41
Brandon
Stressful night.
47:42
Duncan
Yeah, it is stressful when you're like a little six year old and you don't know if Santa's coming, you have nightmares. And basically, I'll try and do the short version. I'm terrible at telling stories short. It's just not in my genes. But exactly, basically, like, you are in this really long corridor with a bunch of other people and like, you can't see the end of it, except, you know, there's a cannon at the end of the corridor and. And it's shooting at you. And so you have to like walk down the corridor while avoiding whatever the cannon shooting at you. And then eventually you get to the end of the corridor and like half the people that you are with, who are all strangers by the way, have like gotten shot and killed.
48:25
Kendall
But.
48:26
Duncan
You eventually make it to the end of the corridor and all the remaining people have disappeared. And people that you know in your life are like appearing from behind you and walking past you and they're walking into two smaller corridors and one leads back to your life and then the other leads to death. And so I'll see my mom walk into one corridor and my dad walk into another corridor and my brother walk into one corridor and my best friend walk into another corridor. And so I know, I don't know which corridor is which. I know if I choose the right one, half the people I know are going to be dead. And so the dream ends with me walking into a corridor and I just wake up. I had that for 10 years with two caveats. Each year the dream was faster.
49:15
Duncan
So I could be like 1.1 times speed, 1.2 times speed, 2 times speed. And the last year I had was just like that. And the dream was over. And maybe I'm still having it. It just shows so short that I don't know that I'm having it. But the canon would also shoot something different every year. So, like the first year it shot cannonballs. Duh. But it would shoot packs of hyenas. It would shoot.
49:40
Kendall
It.
49:40
Duncan
Would shoot flaming tornadoes and tsunamis. Yeah, it's pretty wild.
49:47
Kendall
That's like horrifying.
49:48
Duncan
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty weight. It's pretty crazy.
49:51
Kendall
I mean, what the hell? Why did it stop?
49:55
Duncan
Well, it just kept getting faster and faster. I guess it couldn't get any faster, so it just Stopped happening.
50:02
Kendall
Interesting.
50:02
Duncan
Yeah.
50:03
Kendall
You guys have any? I don't think we can top that, but.
50:05
Brandon
No, definitely.
50:06
Phillip
I don't have anything that can top that. I feel like I just wake up.
50:09
Kendall
I don't know.
50:10
Phillip
I just go to bed and then I wake up,.
50:12
Duncan
And.
50:12
Phillip
Then, like,.
50:12
Duncan
Wake up,.
50:13
Phillip
And.
50:13
Duncan
Then.
50:13
Phillip
My dreams.
50:14
Duncan
Wake up.
50:15
Phillip
Gone from whatever. I'm like, oh, I don't. I guess I didn't. I either don't have them or I immediately forget them upon waking up. And so I'm like, all right, well, that's it. I guess I'm up.
50:25
Brandon
If it's a cool dream. And I'm like, wow, that was really cool. I'll, like, write it down. But it's just crazy how every single time I get the Fall for it Again award because I'm just like, this is real life. And then I wake up. I was like, that was a dream, bro.
50:41
Duncan
I love dreams so much. If I wake up and I remember the dream that I'm having, my day is, like, immediately 10 times better. It's just amazing.
50:52
Kendall
Yeah. Philip,.
50:53
Brandon
You're missing.
50:54
Phillip
You.
50:54
Brandon
Need to be studied, Duncan.
50:56
Duncan
Yeah, I don't know.
50:57
Kendall
Yeah, you gotta psychoanalyze that reoccurring nightmare.
51:00
Duncan
You know what? So one time I was like. You know, I was really. I was, like, feeling bad. I was, like, sitting out on my back porch,.
51:10
Kendall
Right?
51:10
Duncan
And I figured out what the dream meant. I had, like, this aha moment, and then I forgot what I meant.
51:20
Kendall
What?
51:21
Duncan
So maybe I didn't figure it out, right, because it wasn't important enough to remember. But, like, considering how core to my lore that Christmas Eve reoccurring nightmare is, I feel like I should probably remember.
51:35
Phillip
Maybe you dreamt that you figured it out.
51:37
Duncan
No, this was real life.
51:39
Kendall
How do you know?
51:41
Duncan
I know things.
51:42
Brandon
Well, you. I.
51:43
Duncan
Know a lot of things.
51:44
Brandon
You literally, like.
51:45
Duncan
You asked me about things. I know.
51:48
Brandon
You're literally required to do LSD now because that's like, a common experience. They like. They're just like, oh, my God, I figured out everything about life. And then when they come back down, they don't. They don't know anything. They forgot.
52:00
Kendall
Yeah. And then DMT after that.
52:02
Brandon
Yeah.
52:02
Kendall
And then you can figure out the secrets of the universe.
52:05
Brandon
Exactly. I.
52:06
Duncan
Don't need no drugs. I got it all figured out.
52:09
Kendall
Do you guys have a favorite book, movie or TV show? I don't know if you guys heard that, but I think it was Philip. It. He made a sound that sounded exactly like a Minecraft Villager, so I made it really loud. So you guys could hear it.
52:25
Duncan
I'm going to start the other end because I have a really, like, the nerdiest answer of all time.
52:30
Kendall
Perfect. Philip,.
52:31
Phillip
Favorite book, movie or TV show?
52:34
Kendall
Yeah,.
52:35
Phillip
My favorite. Let's see my favorite movie. I think I. What is it? Yeah, I'll say. Like, I really like Good Will Hunting. That was, like,.
52:47
Kendall
One of my.
52:47
Phillip
Favorite movies.
52:48
Kendall
That's a great.
52:48
Phillip
Movie. I. For a pretty book. It was one that I read in high school. It was Crime and Punishment in high school. That's probably my favorite. It was, like, very. It's a very long book. And I probably struggled to read it all the way through again because of how long it is, but I really like that book.
53:05
Kendall
You read that in high school?
53:06
Phillip
Yeah, it was our summer reading. To read that book. That's a crazy.
53:10
Duncan
Pick. I.
53:10
Kendall
Didn't.
53:10
Duncan
Know Philip could read.
53:12
Phillip
I know I be spending too much time on the gram these days, you know, have.
53:16
Duncan
To uninstall that literacy for TikTok.
53:18
Phillip
It's no good. It's no good. It's no good. These days, the Zuck man owns my brain,.
53:24
Kendall
My.
53:24
Phillip
Processing power.
53:25
Duncan
He's got a lease on it.
53:27
Phillip
I don't know what my favorite TV show is. I'll have to think about that. I don't know.
53:30
Kendall
All right.
53:33
Brandon
I don't know. Whenever somebody asks this question, I was like, I don't know, because I don't really think about movies all that critically. I guess. I just remember it kind of relates to video games I would play as a kid. I played a lot of terrible video games as a kid. Not like terrible in content or anything. Like, just literally terrible. And just like, they were terrible games. They were very poorly made, and I thought they were amazing. And then when I grew up, and then everybody's, like, talking crap about it. I'm just like, oh, I guess it wasn't good. But kind of a similar thing with movies. I'm just like, it's whatever. Like, I recently saw Trick or Treat with some of my friends, and actually Philip was there, too. And my overall thoughts about it were that it wasn't that great.
54:26
Brandon
That's basically it. But I guess, like, a show that sticks out is, I guess, Breaking Bad. I feel like that's kind of a cookie cutter answer. But it's a pretty good show. Yeah. Pretty well written, but I really enjoyed that. But I don't watch many shows, so I don't exactly have a large arsenal to choose from. That's just one of the shows I've seen, and I Know that one's good. So it's like okay to say that. Yeah. A.
54:58
Kendall
Safe answer.
54:59
Brandon
Yeah.
55:00
Kendall
All right, Duncan,.
55:01
Duncan
I'm going to start with favorite movie. I have three. One, I'll do one and two. One as one is the. The Greasy Strangler.
55:11
Kendall
Never heard of that.
55:13
Duncan
It's worth a watch.
55:15
Phillip
That's the movie.
55:16
Duncan
The movie the Greasy Strangler. And then my two 1A's are going to be Mamma Mia. And everything everywhere all at once.
55:26
Phillip
Wow, I wasn't expecting that from you. Yeah.
55:29
Duncan
Favorite TV show is going to be Xavier Renegade angel also.
55:34
Brandon
That's pretty good.
55:35
Duncan
Worth a while watch.
55:36
Brandon
Yeah.
55:37
Duncan
And then my favorite book, I'm. I'm. I read a lot. I'm kind of a nerd. And my favorite book, I've gone like. I've had a lot of different favorite books over my reading lifetime. Previously it was the Metaphysical Club. You made a mistake by asking me to talk about books. I do not stop talking about books. So sorry in advance.
56:02
Kendall
That's okay.
56:04
Duncan
My previous favorite book was the Metaphysical Club by Louis Menon. Fantastic. It talks about four different, I guess, quote unquote characters and early and mid American history that are pretty pivotal and developing the American self conception and what it means to be a citizen of the United States and what kind of like the goal of the United States is. I would say fantastic read. My new favorite book is the Power Broker by Robert Caro. It is about this fella by the name of Robert Moses. We.
56:35
Brandon
Love Robert.
56:37
Duncan
Robert Moses was a government bureaucrat slash planner in New York City and New York State who basically found a way to take over those respective governments and could basically do whatever he wanted unopposed because he was able to play different, I don't want to say political parties, but different groups within the state and the city against each other so nobody could really depose him of the power that he'd found. Really fascinating. It's like 1400 pages. Whenever somebody just like breathes and it sounds vaguely like Robert Moses, I start talking about this book.
57:18
Kendall
It sounds fascinating.
57:19
Duncan
It's really good.
57:21
Kendall
I am reading it right now by Stephen King.
57:24
Brandon
Nice.
57:25
Phillip
Yeah, yeah.
57:26
Kendall
Have.
57:26
Brandon
You gotten to the part yet? Oh, do you know about the part?
57:31
Kendall
I think I know what part you're talking about.
57:33
Brandon
I haven't read it, but I know about that part. And I'm just like,.
57:36
Kendall
What's.
57:37
Brandon
Going on, man?
57:37
Kendall
I don't know. I'm a little bit worried.
57:40
Duncan
When you said you were reading it, I got really excited that you meant you were reading the Power Broker.
57:45
Phillip
The book that you were talking about?
57:47
Duncan
No,.
57:48
Kendall
But I'm going to add it to my Goodreads.
57:50
Duncan
You should.
57:51
Kendall
And then for my final question. Okay, so it's my new favorite question. I asked, like, everyone that I started interviewing this. You know how, like, coffee cups have, like, caution, like, warning hot on them? If you guys were a coffee cup, what would your caution, like, label be?
58:08
Brandon
That is a good question.
58:12
Phillip
My warning label.
58:14
Brandon
I need to hold my tongue because I want to say a lot of things that I'm not allowed to say right now,.
58:18
Kendall
But.
58:19
Brandon
It would be funny, I promise. But, yeah,.
58:23
Duncan
I don't drink coffee, so I don't know. Is that an acceptable answer?
58:28
Kendall
No, that's not acceptable. Try again.
58:30
Duncan
That's tough.
58:32
Phillip
I don't know. Do you have. Do you have one? Do you have, like, answer loaded for yourself?
58:36
Kendall
Like, mine would be,.
58:37
Phillip
Like,.
58:37
Kendall
Caution. Blunt.
58:38
Phillip
Blunt,.
58:39
Kendall
Yeah. Or someone that I asked. The two people that I've asked said caution. Surprisingly bouncy, which I don't really know what that means. And then caution. I'll give you the giggles.
58:51
Duncan
Those are crazy answers.
58:53
Kendall
So really take this. Whatever direction.
58:56
Brandon
I'm afraid of that person. I don't know. I guess I would say caution contains adhd, because I got it.
59:07
Duncan
That's true. And.
59:09
Brandon
I dish it.
59:09
Duncan
Out.
59:11
Brandon
And. Yeah, it crops up a whole bunch of different ways.
59:16
Phillip
Yeah. I feel like I don't know if it's adhd. It is ADHD to be forgetful, right? That's like a super.
59:24
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah.
59:24
Phillip
Okay. Well, then, yeah, I guess I was like, if you have a conversation with me about something serious and you have to repeat it, like, three to four times because I'll just forget.
59:31
Kendall
Active list.
59:33
Phillip
I'm actively trying.
59:35
Kendall
It's.
59:36
Phillip
Just actively not staying there.
59:38
Brandon
It's happened three times in this where you asked a question and I started answering. I was like, oh, man. What was the question again?
59:48
Kendall
It's okay.
59:52
Duncan
I really don't know. This is a. You've thrown.
59:55
Brandon
A.
59:55
Duncan
Difficult problem. Let's.
59:57
Brandon
Come up with one. Philip for Duncan.
01:00:00
Duncan
My immediate. I'll let you two simmer on that because I want to hear what you have to say, and I'll phone a friend afterwards. My immediate reactions are also blunt. I guess I'd say dry. I'd say, shoot. What's the word? Not manic. That's not the right word. I don't know. There was a word that was in my head. Neurotic, maybe. These are all really good ways to describe yourself.
01:00:38
Phillip
You are. You are very dry. Like your joke. I Literally agree with.
01:00:41
Brandon
Dry.
01:00:42
Duncan
If.
01:00:42
Phillip
You ask Duncan a question, expect. Expect the intentional wrong.
01:00:46
Kendall
Answer.
01:00:48
Brandon
That's true.
01:00:48
Phillip
You like. You like, oh, hey, what's up? What's up, Duncan? He's like, the sky is up. Or like,.
01:00:54
Duncan
It's usually people are like,.
01:00:56
Brandon
Usually,.
01:00:57
Duncan
Yeah, I do that. Well, so I did it. I did not understand the joke. Like, you say something that ends in er and then you reply, I hardly even know her.
01:01:07
Brandon
Sewer.
01:01:08
Duncan
I just thought you said it after random words and it sounded funny. So, like, my friend would. My friend would, in a sense, with like, psychology. And my reply would be, I hardly even know her. And I did this for years.
01:01:22
Kendall
Oh, my God.
01:01:22
Duncan
And then at some point, I realized that is not how the joke goes.
01:01:27
Kendall
No one told you this was like, something you had to figure out on your.
01:01:30
Duncan
Own. Yeah.
01:01:30
Kendall
That's tough.
01:01:31
Duncan
Yeah, it was pretty. It was a learning experience.
01:01:33
Kendall
Yeah. That's unfortunate.
01:01:35
Duncan
Usually it's. People will ask me, like, oh, why you want to eat? I'll be like, calories,.
01:01:39
Phillip
Food,.
01:01:39
Duncan
Food.
01:01:40
Phillip
I'd be like, I'll ask Duncan, like, what book was like, what are you reading right now? He's like, a book?
01:01:45
Duncan
Yeah.
01:01:46
Phillip
He's like, what do you want? I'm like, what do you want to eat later? He's like, food.
01:01:49
Duncan
Yeah.
01:01:49
Phillip
You know,.
01:01:50
Duncan
I do like eating food.
01:01:52
Kendall
Yeah, no, me too.
01:01:53
Duncan
Yeah.
01:01:53
Kendall
Yeah. Food's great.
01:01:54
Duncan
Very great thing to eat. Of all the things that you could eat. It's pretty high on the list.
01:01:57
Kendall
It's definitely high on the list. Probably above, like, cardboard for me. I.
01:02:01
Brandon
Like eating slop.
01:02:02
Kendall
Yeah, nice. Like AI slop.
01:02:04
Brandon
Yeah,.
01:02:06
Duncan
Slop.
01:02:07
Phillip
Bowl. AI slop.
01:02:08
Duncan
Yeah. That's in the top 10, though,.
01:02:11
Kendall
Right?
01:02:11
Duncan
Yeah, I guess up there. Not as high as food, but it's competitive.
01:02:17
Kendall
Okay. And where can we listen to your guys upcoming shows? I guess we got that album to listen to, but where else can we find you guys?
01:02:25
Brandon
We're on Instagram. Sugarsnap nc.
01:02:31
Duncan
We're on the Internet at Peas Band.
01:02:35
Phillip
Peas Band. Don't go to the website if you're prone to give episode. Disclaimer. Disclaimer. Disclaimer. Yeah, we post most of our show information and updates and stuff on our Instagram,.
01:02:51
Duncan
Spotify, Apple Music, Yada yada. Works.
01:02:55
Phillip
Yeah. Our music, as far as. If you want to find the music. Yeah. It's on Spotify itunes if you want to buy it. Bandcamp got all our stuff on Bandcamp, which is great, too.
01:03:04
Duncan
Or buy it. It's for sale as CDs. We got CDs.
01:03:09
Brandon
Show. Yeah.
01:03:10
Kendall
That's awesome.
01:03:11
Duncan
We only have one more show coming up. Right now we're playing at the moonlight and the Garden event that the NC State Arboretum puts on every year. It's like their big fundraiser for the year. We're playing Friday the 13th. Very spooky.
01:03:26
Phillip
Whoa.
01:03:26
Duncan
Hopefully nothing is terribly wrong, but we'll be playing that.
01:03:30
Kendall
Yeah, I'd.
01:03:30
Duncan
Be.
01:03:30
Kendall
Scared.
01:03:31
Duncan
We don't have anything on the books past that right now. We are figuring some other stuff out, so we just kind of put a pause on scheduling stuff for the time being. But I'm sure we'll be back at it sometime in the spring.
01:03:44
Brandon
And look out for a music video soon. We're going to be filming one of those, and we're super excited for that.
01:03:51
Kendall
That's awesome. And is there anything else you guys want to talk about today?
01:03:55
Duncan
Oh. The Power Broker by Robert.
01:03:57
Kendall
Okay. Not you, Duncan. You've exhausted your.
01:03:59
Brandon
We didn't get to my pedal board, so.
01:04:03
Kendall
Yeah, shoot.
01:04:05
Brandon
It's okay. I'm not like, my feelings aren't hurt like, that much.
01:04:09
Kendall
Oh. All right. Thank you all for listening today. Be sure to check out our other interviews@wknc.org podcast and click on off the Record. This is Kendall and Sugar Snap Peas signing off. Have a great day.
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