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Dearly Discarded is a podcast dedicated to people who have been silenced. We would like their voices to be heard, and so we are offering this podcast to do exactly that. These people are from all walks of life but they have one thing in common, they participated in the “safe and effective” medicine that they believed would protect them during the pandemic. Now they are injured and ignored. It is time for them to speak and be heard. Please listen with an open mind and heart. Hear these voices and share their stories with your friends and family. Welcome to the Dearly Discarded Podcast.
Kristin and jaimie
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Jared: Welcome to the Dearly Discarded Podcast. I'm your host. My name's Jared St. Clair, and today I've got a couple of people that I want to introduce you to. Uh, and they are from, uh, up north in Canada. Uh, most of the people that I've interviewed so far have been here in the us. But we've had a Scottish person on, we've had a couple of Brits, we've had one other Canadian, and now we've got two more that I want to introduce you to.
And part of the reason I bring that up at all, and not that it really matters where these injuries occur, but what I think does matter is that these injuries occur all over the world. This is certainly not just an American problem, even though I'm an American podcaster. Uh, so I, as much as possible I want to.
Cast that net out as far as possible and grab stories from wherever we can because I believe that everybody, this is a non-political problem in my opinion, although it is often treated politically and, uh, we shouldn't really care all that much if [00:01:00] someone's in Russia or Tokyo or America or Canada. Uh, we are all human beings, uh, living this life, and we need these stories to be heard.
All across the world. So if you hear, when you hear what, uh, you're about to hear and you wanna help, one of the simplest things that you can do is simply just share this show with anyone and everyone, uh, that you believe would needs to hear it. And I'll tell you that I think everybody needs to hear it.
So, uh, get it out there and, uh, let's try to let these powerful and important. Voices who that have so often been muted, um, heard. So that's what we're doing today on Dearly Discarded podcast, and we're gonna introduce to you something that I'll want you to see in the future, and that is a documentary that these two fine women are working on today.
Today I've got for you, Jamie Killen and Kristen Dizel. And welcome to the Dearly Discarded Podcast [00:02:00] ladies.
Jaimie and Kristin: Thank you. Thank you for having us.
Jared: So I didn't know who you were until five minutes ago, and uh, that's often the case most times the case, uh, when I do this show. But we usually have at least one mutual friend in Brie Dressen and oftentimes more.
And we've already had a good laugh about a couple of the other friends that we've made through this process. Uh, and uh, so it's, uh, I feel like I know you just a little bit, but I'm really excited to let you tell your story here. Um, Let's start with what I always start with, and that is the, the first question.
Uh, when did the vaccine injury occur and which of the two of you for people that are unaware, uh, got injured?
Jaimie and Kristin: Hi, me, Kristen. Um, Well, both of us got injured. Our lives are both really heavily affected, but, um, my brain in particular, so I got my first Pfizer shot March 16th, [00:03:00] 2021, which was early rollout for healthcare practitioners in Canada. And I dropped onsite within 20 minutes and lost full control of my lungs and, um,
Jared: 20 minutes of the first shot. Right.
Jaimie and Kristin: First shot.
First and only shot. First and only. Yeah. Yeah.
Jared: All right.
Jaimie and Kristin: And um, I was one of the lucky ones because it was heavily documented because I was on site. Um, it started with an anaphylactic like reaction that occurred over the first couple days and heavy neurological symptoms that declined for months after. Um, that left me with a severe brain injury, so it crossed my blood brain barrier and just attacked multiple areas of my brain.
Jared: Now you said healthcare workers, so you were in healthcare at the time. What were you doing?
Jaimie and Kristin: I'm with the doctor of traditional Chinese medicine.
Jared: Oh, really [00:04:00] Interesting. Okay, so write down my alley then.
Jaimie and Kristin: Oh, good
Jared: Um, yeah, with love herbs over here. Um, okay, so that's an interesting thing though. So you're up in Canada. Canada was pretty heavy handed politically on, uh, these shots and. Quarantines and everything else. There were a lot of places I looked around me and thought, well, at least I'm not there.
Uh, during
Jaimie and Kristin: Oh my gosh. So
Jared: Canada was one of those places.
Jaimie and Kristin: Sad times up here. For
Jared: Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, I Was there a lot of pressure or were you signing up because you felt like it was the right thing to do? What was your mindset at the time?
Jaimie and Kristin: There was a lot of political pressure. Obviously with my background, it wasn't something that I was really that excited about. I, um, Yeah, there was a lot of pressure. There was pressure knowing that it was coming down the pipes. As far as our regulated bodies, we were very restricted as far as practicing.
We were at [00:05:00] that point changing our clothes in between patients. We hadn't been allowed to work for quite some time, had got back into work, and we were just kind of scared of losing the ability to work again and making sure that our patients really felt safe.
Jared: Okay. And so again, as you stated, March was very early in the rollout. Uh, not that many people at that point had had one of these things. Uh, and what I find a little bit interesting about yours is that oftentimes what I've heard is that it was that second shot that really, uh, kind of kicked things into full gear in terms of injury, but for you, it was a near immediate thing, which is pretty interesting.
So what were your thoughts and what were you being told by, uh, medical doctors when this all happened? 20 minutes after the jab.
Jaimie and Kristin: I just assumed that it was a normal anaphylactic reaction and I thought that I would be fine. So I had had neurological symptoms come up within the first 12, 24 hours, [00:06:00] but they didn't really start piecing together for about a week where the people outside of me looked at me and said, okay, no, there's a problem.
Um, I'm a ridiculously positive person and it takes a lot to get me on the dark side, so I just kept thinking I'm fine. I'll be fine. I just kept saying to my colleagues, I'll be back to work on Tuesday. You know, I'll be back to work. Just tell my patients I need another day. And, uh, it, it took a bit for me to admit that something was more extreme than that.
And doctors, they didn't really know what was going on. Mm-hmm. My breathing was fine the entire time, so my anaphylactic reaction besides like rash and stuff was very neurological. Yeah. It wasn't, looking back now you can see. There was a lot of stuff going on that we wouldn't have very likely acknowledged, cuz you would've just thought, oh, you know, like just dismissed it, like that's not [00:07:00] relevant or whatever.
But yeah. So it was anaphylactic but not like a normal anaphylactic. Mm-hmm.
Jared: All right, and so then obviously you weren't back to work on Tuesday. Um, I. Recently, just, well, recently, like 15 minutes ago, watched the trailer to your upcoming documentary, invisible Fences. And, um, you know, in that trailer there's some documentation, some video of what you were dealing with, uh, in terms of your physical, um, and, and I would say mental and neurological issues that you were dealing with, which seemed incredibly extreme, uh, from the video.
What kind of, walk us through, if you don't mind, that first week or so after the shot, once you recognized this wasn't just an allergic reaction, there was more going on, what were you seeing? What was happening?
Jaimie and Kristin: I kind of felt like we knew that people were having flu-like symptoms after, so I kind of wrapped myself into that [00:08:00] category, um, and just rested. But I had weird symptoms as far as I couldn't turn my head. I actually couldn't lift my head. Um, I was just exhausted. And I had some girlfriends come over to visit me about five, well not six four, but four.
Four days. Four days. It was only four days. Like four days, yeah. Yeah. Four days later. And um, I was trying to talk to them and I couldn't communicate and I just kind of slid down my cupboards and that's when we really realized like, something's really wrong here. Mm-hmm. And that was after she'd been in the hospital.
Twice. Like they took her to the hospital immediately after she reacted and then was released after like, You know, Benadryl, epi, and then sent home, and then 24 hours after that, all of her symptoms returned. Mm-hmm. And so she went back up to the hospital and they treated her with the exact same thing and sent her home again.[00:09:00]
So then you had like your daughter's birthday in the midst of all that? Yes. So you were kind of distracted with that and then it was like, so it was about day four. Mm-hmm. Um, I, that things just kind of went sideways, like something just, I personally wasn't there, but, um, A couple of her friends were here and she just like wasn't communicating like her speech was gapping and you had some weird like just disorientation kind of confusion and I mean, I guess what they call now brain fog, right.
Jared: Mm-hmm.
Jaimie and Kristin: Yeah. I hate that word brain. Me too. Fog. Me too. Like it doesn't, um, it doesn't justify how, um, it's not really a fog. Hey, it's like a swamp. Yeah. It's like when, when your cells are not firing. It's almost like, uh, when I feel it, it's almost like a visualization of death of these cells. You know, our cells are supposed to be these like beautiful, well wired machines, and when they're not [00:10:00] working properly, it's, it's really, you know, it's really, it's awful.
Jared: Yeah, I, and, and as I was saying before we hit record, I've, uh, been so blessed to meet so many amazing people who've been injured and family members of injured people, and, um, it's, it's not a particular. Really easy thing to do this podcast because I hear so much tragic stuff. Right. And it's, and, and certainly it's easier for me to do the podcast than for the guests that I have on the podcast, I'm sure.
But what has been really interesting to me is the. There are so many similarities between people who have been injured and in terms of the injuries themselves, there's a lot of similarities and certainly some people it's, you know, cardiovascular stuff. My, my myocarditis, a lot of people, and it seems in bulk of the people that I've.
Met with, have had more neurological issues, uh, like what you're describing. Um, but one of the [00:11:00] things that seems to be a very similar, uh, occurrence is the, um, and I'm really curious how you're gonna answer this cause I don't know what your story is really yet, is the way that people have been treated by medical doctors, hospitals, facilities, post-injury, uh, with any combination of.
Potential gaslighting or just being told that there's no way that that's what that this is, this is a coincidence or whatever else. So yours happened 20 minutes after you were injected. It's relatively difficult. I would anticipate for people to say, well, I had nothing to do with it. It's just a coincidence.
But how did it go down? What were the responses of practitioners?
Jaimie and Kristin: Yeah, you would think so? Mm-hmm. Um, I immediately got a new family doctor because my family doctor was a little bit confused with what was going on. Um, and I got a great new doctor that has been [00:12:00] supportive and highly educated about vaccine injuries. I think you should tell 'em why you're, First doctor was confused.
Yeah. My first, yeah, it was just awful. Yeah. My first doctor, um, he gave me a pregnancy test. Like I've, I've had a hysterectomy and, uh, and his thought was I should give her a pregnancy test. Maybe she's hysterical, maybe. I don't know. Um, and he just thought that I had a lot of anxiety. Um, which I had never suffered with before.
No. Um, and he thought that maybe I had vertigo. Um, even though dizziness has never been a symptom of mine. Um, so, you know, I'm lucky that I have a medical background, so I knew how to advocate for certain things. So I immediately, when he said vertigo, I. Called him back into my hospital room and I said, look, like I need to make sure that [00:13:00] you're not putting that in my file.
You're not discussing this in my charts. And um, then we called around and we got me another doctor right away. Yeah. The local neurologist was wonderful. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Your initial Karen in the hospital was, Not bad. Yeah, right. It's everything kind of following that totally was not great. But, um, yeah. You did have a great neuro neurologist in the beginning.
Yeah. In the beginning she was very supportive. Um, in the end, not so much. In the end, not so much. Yeah. She, um, she immediately realized that her general neurology testing wasn't sufficient. So she researched a vascular neurologist, cuz at this point I think she knew it had crossed my blood brain barrier and wanted to get me more help.
And that's when things spiraled downhill and
Jared: terms of your care. Okay. Do you mind walking us through that just a little bit?
Jaimie and Kristin: the neurologist that I saw, it was [00:14:00] a five hour drive. And so at that point we didn't realize that I couldn't be in a car that travel was just not good for my system. So by the time that I arrived there, I was essentially just a ball.
Yeah, you got, she got way worse on the car ride. To go see this other neurologist. So the car ride and all the movement and the motion and the sound and everything that, uh, she didn't realize amplified her injury. Like just ramped it up. So then you, that's when you started like convulsions. Oh yeah. Right.
Like she didn't convulsed. She would have like a shaky leg for a little bit, but then it was like full body. Full body. Right. Um, Yeah. So she was, you were not in good shape when you got there. No. And then she went to go see this neurologist and. I remember going with like my parents drove me and I was going over my will [00:15:00] with them on the ride.
Like that was the first time that I thought, okay, I'm not gonna get out of this. You need to make sure that this happens with my kids. Like I started, that was the first time I started that talk, and when we walked into the building, I remember being so overwhelmed by the lights. And the sounds of the office and the phone and the clicking of the computer that I was, mm-hmm.
Trying to, all I wanted to do was to hide underneath the chair in the waiting room, very similar to some of my severely autistic patients that would present in my office. And it was, it was really terrifying and terrifying for my parents. That have always seen me healthy. Right. And that neurologist, we were there for maybe three hours and she was dismissive.
She diagnosed me with functional neurological disorder. She refused to say it was connected to the vaccine. She [00:16:00] said I would be better. Maybe most people get better. You were there for three hours, but how long, how much time did you actually spend with her? Like how much time did she spend in the room with you?
Like 10, 15 minutes maybe, right? Yeah. Yeah. So a 10 minute, 15 minute conversation. Doesn't check over anything. Mm-hmm. Doesn't ask barely any questions, and then just says, this is what's happening. Bye. And her resident was horrified. Her resident was amazing. I would love to actually find him and see where he is in his practice, because it's not a bad idea, right?
Mm-hmm. Like he knew. He took the test to further levels and he could tell what was going on where she went right back to that basic set of reflexes and was just like, dismissive and you're fine. And then when I gave her, you know, the vaccine compensation papers from Canada because yeah. Um, you know, I, I'm self-employed and I'm a single mom [00:17:00] and you know, at this point I was trying not to lose my home already.
Right. And, um, mm-hmm. We're all kind of on a paycheck to paycheck thing with the economy right now, and I was trying to get that paperwork processed. Yeah. And she essentially threw them in my face.
Jared: Okay, so it's doesn't sound a whole lot different than what I've heard from so many other people where maybe their injury occurred, you know, weeks or the, the, the symptoms occurred weeks later, that kind of thing. And so then we're two over two years now out from this event. And you've got, you're working on a documentary.
There's a few other questions I want to ask, but I think I wanna fast forward for just a moment. At two years and a month-ish since this happened, um, where are you at with your health now? What's changed?
Jaimie and Kristin: Well, I am no longer using a cane. Mm-hmm. Sometimes I need it. Sometimes you need it. Yeah. I, yesterday we went for a walk. You didn't take it. I didn't take [00:18:00] it. Yeah.
Jared: That's awesome.
Jaimie and Kristin: huge, right? So there's a lot of positives. I can communicate with you, you know, with her eyes open. She couldn't talk with her. Eyes open. Um, for so long, for so long.
You still have moments, but it's so much better.
Jared: Most people close their eyes when they talk to me anyway, so if you need to do that, that that'd be fine.
Jaimie and Kristin: And did you take your earphones yesterday? No. So she, when she leaves the house, she always has to have like noise canceling headphones in because she's hypersensitive to loud sounds right. She'll wear hat. A lot of the times it's to block out light and motion because she's hypersensitive to motion.
Jared: a lot of sensory
Jaimie and Kristin: Oh, sorry.
As I'm like waving my hand next to her. Oh God. I'm usually much more self-aware. Great.
Um, you don't like have to hide behind buildings and stuff when we walk downtown anymore. That's true. Right. [00:19:00] Winning. Less. Less hiding behind objects. Yes. Yeah. I can go into some public places. Occasionally I can go to the grocery store. It's a big feat. Yeah. Um. Mm-hmm. You know, we traveled, we went down to Mexico to go get stem cells and yeah, that was possible.
It was very difficult. We did it, but we did it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, it was really hard. It was really hard. Yeah. Airplanes are not her friend. Uh, they're so loud. Right.
Jared: yeah, yeah. They're so loud. If you don't have any neurological issues, it's a no. I don't think know of anybody that loves jumping on a jet, um, flying, especially for an extensive length of time. But yeah, the, the things I've heard about the kind of sensory overload that happens and the sensory sensitivity, uh, again, you, some of these things are just [00:20:00] so familiar.
I've heard 'em so
Jaimie and Kristin: Yeah. And we ha like in the group that we talk to regularly, we've got a group of injured people and it's all the same, right? Like the biggest, the biggest complaints are migraines, which Kristen has joint pain, which Kristen has. Um, elevated heart rates. There's a lot of elevated heart rate stuff. Mm-hmm.
Like pots, which Kristen has. Um, What else? The convulsions are kind of like, I think everyone in the group has them that with the neuro neurological symptoms, but some of them are internal and some of them are external.
Jared: yeah,
Jaimie and Kristin: Like those internal vibrations. You get both. Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah. Mine are mainly external.
Yeah.
Jared: Yeah. And they say that, uh, the, the covid vaccines I've seen this are the leading cause of coincidence. Um, right. And, and it seems that there's also this interesting thing that I don't think I, I don't know that I've conducted an interview with someone who's been injured yet that hasn't said that they were initially [00:21:00] diagnosed with anxiety.
Jaimie and Kristin: Oh yeah,
Jared: wondering if anxiety is the, is the leading symptom of, uh, you know, of this stuff. Because that's what it always
Jaimie and Kristin: you have anxiety. Did it start after your covid shot, right?
Jared: Yeah, it's a mental health issue. You have to be crazy because safe and
Jaimie and Kristin: yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah.
Jared: So in the, over the last two years, we got past this.
You know, crazy neurological appointment you had, uh, very, uh, close to the injury. Uh, obviously, well, I don't know if it's obvious. I assume you've seen many practitioners since for a variety of different, uh, potential treatments and things like that. What have you found success with, uh, what's worked, what hasn't worked?
Uh, I, I know a lot of people listening are, uh, your fellow injured, uh, that certainly are looking for options, uh, in their own care as well.
Jaimie and Kristin: I was very lucky because I was involved in the natural health world, so I had colleagues coming to my house giving me acupuncture appointments every day. [00:22:00] had my, um, my one colleague, I. Was a chiropractor and so she was at my house adjusting my neck because I was throwing my body out of alignment. You know, sometimes I was dislocating my wrists from micro aul.
Oh yeah. I forgot about your wrist, right? Oh, it was awful. Oof. Yeah. So I was lucky that I had those treatments and I think that number one, it's important to have that balance of care. And so many people, you know, we're looking for what is it that's going to make us better. But there is not one thing that can align the body.
Right? Mm-hmm. It's a dance of multiple symptoms and multiple treatments. Mm-hmm. So I use my acupuncture and my chiro, and I get a lot of osteopathic treatments that make a big difference. Cranial sacl, those are the things that keep me. Functioning emotionally and physically. Um, but I did the series through Dr.
Corey. I took Merak and that made a massive difference for me. [00:23:00] Yeah, you were on a pretty strict protocol. Yeah. And it was horrible. It was horrible. Like it was really hard on her body and it did make a big difference. Yeah. And that's that H I V protocol. Yeah. And then I also got stem cells. Yeah.
Jared: Yeah. And that, and in Mexico is where you got the stem cells. Have you just been for one
Jaimie and Kristin: I originally went to Panama, so almost immediately after my injury, my family got together, swooped me up, and brought me to Panama and yeah, which was amazing. That saved my life without a doubt. Yeah, I don't think that I would've survived if I didn't have them. I was three months out. I already had muscle wasting.
I think I would've been online to the similar diagnosis of some of us that are getting ALS and stuff like I was in really bad shame were. Mm-hmm. And after I got the stem cells, I regained the ability to lift [00:24:00] my head. And I remember the first time I looked at my daughter and not even consciously.
Realizing that I hadn't even Yeah. Seen the faces of my children. Yeah. Cuz she was stuck down. Like we have pictures of her that it, you know, she's standing beside her dad and looking up like this. Right. Like she couldn't, it was really weird.
Jared: How many kids do you have
Jaimie and Kristin: I have three,
Jared: and how old are they?
Jaimie and Kristin: I have two 18 year olds and a 14 year old,
Jared: Okay.
Jaimie and Kristin: so thank goodness they're older and they can feed themselves and feed me.
Yeah. But. Two years ago, they were a little bit younger and it was, um, it was pretty impactful for them for sure. Mm-hmm.
Jared: I can't imagine. Uh, how are they doing with all this?
Jaimie and Kristin: It's rough, you know, it's, it's a lot for kids to go through and Yeah. It's, and they just wanna be kids and they should be able to just be kids, right. Like they, yeah. Yeah. And you know, like when I can't go downstairs mm-hmm. To put [00:25:00] the food that we've cooked in the fridge, because at nighttime I literally can't walk downstairs and Right.
So your mom's always texting you at 11 o'clock at night. Did you put the chicken away? Right? Like, you gotta cook tonight. Like it, it's, there's things on their plate. That they shouldn't necessarily have on their plate, but they're also things that are giving them a lot of resilience and life skills and yeah, they're really good at grocery shopping, though.
They're really good at grocery shopping. Yeah. And they're really good at carrying their mom up to bed. Yeah. Like sometimes my son literally puts me over a shoulder and carries me to bed. Yeah. Yeah.
Jared: Yeah. I, I, I like to ask some of those questions because I think people listening maybe, that aren't as familiar with these stories, because again, unfortunately there's so many similarities in this story, these stories. If you haven't heard a bunch of 'em, like I have, uh, it's, it's probably a little hard to wrap your head around the.
The complete life-changing, uh, [00:26:00] impact of this. I mean, it, everything gets upside down and it doesn't just impact. I I love what you said in the beginning. You know, one is physically injured, but both of your lives, uh, were injured and certainly your children's lives and, and I'm sure beyond that as well, we've mentioned your parents as well, right?
So there's all kinds of people that get impacted by this
Jaimie and Kristin: For sure. Yeah.
Jared: So then now, uh, the first I saw of either of you, Was this little five minute trailer that'll be linked, uh, in the description of the podcast for anyone that, uh, would like to watch it, uh, for a documentary that you're currently working on, uh, that is called Invisible Fences.
Uh, one thing that I am so grateful for right now with what has transpired with these vaccines is that we do live in an age where we have a lot of potential to expose the truth. If indeed we can get past censorship and some of the other issues that we've dealt with. And of course, that's why we have this podcast, podcast [00:27:00] for whatever reason seem to still be relatively uncensored.
Uh, and so we're able to get the information out there, here. Um, and, uh, while we can't put a lot of this stuff on YouTube, we can put it on places like Rumble, uh, where if you're listening to this show by the way, and you'd like to see video, you'd like to actually see the people that I interview, uh, then Rumble is the place to.
To do that, all of the shows are up there as videos, and of course, documentaries are a really amazing, uh, potential opportunity to expose this information to people. So the first question I have is, why did you decide that you were gonna put in the effort to make a documentary? It's no small feat, uh, as I understand it.
Jaimie and Kristin: Um, well in the beginning, um, I run my own multimedia company in Nelson. So, um, in the beginning Kristen was just having these really weird symptoms. So, um, I just started filming them for like medical purposes. Uh, and just because it was really [00:28:00] strange what was going on, and a lot of the people that I spoke to about her injury didn't really believe me.
And it is, and I've said this a lot of times, that you know, you really do have to see it to believe it. It is very odd. I've never in my life experienced anything like this. I've never seen anyone, you know, ha have this kind of. Illness. Um, so I started recording it and we started just kind of like. Getting a little bit loud on social media with it, trying to reach out to people, like letting people know that this was happening.
Um, and, you know, we were not getting a lot of traction. We were getting a lot of, um, a lot of, uh, heated conversations. Um, and then one day I was just, um, with my daughter going into a grocery store and a friend of mine, uh, came up to me and asked me how it was doing. And, um, during that time I was like, You know, you never, you never really know how to react when somebody asks you how you are, especially during the pandemic.
So I was just like, oh, I'm [00:29:00] fine. How are you? And he was like, no. Like, how are you really? Like, how's Kristen? How are you guys? And then I just started sobbing and we had a really long conversation and he rents, uh, a media company in town as well.
Jared: Oh,
Jaimie and Kristin: Um, and so he was like, well, I think that your guys' story is something that needs to, you know, be expanded.
And he said, I think a documentary. And I was like, I think you're right. You know, we need to get beyond what we're doing now. What we're doing now is not working. Um, there's a lot of people out there that need help, uh, and there's a lot of people that need to hear these stories that aren't hearing them, that because they're so censored and so blocked for whatever reason.
Right. Well, we know why, but, um, and we really wanna reach there. There's so many people out there that. Haven't even put it together. Yeah. And that really probably need help and are alone, you know, and don't have support. Like Kristen and I have each other. Right. We both have [00:30:00] beautiful families that support us as well, but what about the people that don't have those things?
Um, and so we're kind of on a mission to just. Um, find a way to break through all this censorship and, um, let people know that they exist. There's way more of them, um, than you know, what's being told in the media. And they're everywhere. Um, and so my friend Nate and I, uh, got together and he's now directing and I'm producing and we've been, um, filming together for about a year now.
Uh, and I was filming on my own for about a year previous to that. So now we've got a little bit more momentum. Um, we've got a little team together. And, uh, we did a fundraiser not too long ago that didn't get a lot of traction because we are so censored and shadow banned that we just couldn't get, um, a lot of people looking at it.
So our goal now, um, is to just, just keep trying to gain some momentum with fundraising so that we can get to these people and continue [00:31:00] to tell these stories. Um, And so that's where we're at right now. We just went to Guadalajara with Kristen to take her to get stem cells, uh, because she cannot continue to be part of this film.
She's not healthy. So that was our priority. Um, we filmed all of that. Uh, and our next step is to go down to, um, Utah.
Jared: Oh,
Jaimie and Kristin: Yeah. And see our friend from
Jared: come see us.
Jaimie and Kristin: Exactly, you're in Utah, maybe you wanna, you're in Yeah.
Jared: I live an hour away from
Jaimie and Kristin: Perfect. Perfect. Let that would be. Let's do it. Amazing. Let, uh, so that is our next stage and, um, yeah, we're just fundraising to keep the momentum going because we have a lot of stuff still to, to film.
Um, so it's invisible fences film.com is our website and, uh, we are taking donations on there. There's lots of options for people if they wanna check it out. Our trailer is on there too, if you wanna watch it.
Jared: Excellent. And we'll put all those links, uh, in there. So if you're driving around listening to this or whatever, when you get stopped, look at the show description and all the links for the trailer and the [00:32:00] website and all that'll be there. Uh, so then I have to ask this question. I think it's a little different for everybody, but I'm sure I'll hear, uh, some things that I've heard before as well.
Um, when, when you're in a position like you're in your primary, Goal, obviously is trying to get your health back, right? I mean, that's gotta be number one. Uh, and then while you're also trying to, uh, be a mom and you're also trying to do these other things that, you know, you were, that your life was about prior to all of this, but the health thing has to come first.
But the documentary is, it's a lot of work, right? And it's a lot of work for everybody involved. It's work for you being on. Camera. It's also a lot of vulnerability. You certainly don't look your best in the trailer, I'll tell you that. Uh, I can. I can only say that [00:33:00] because half my friends are injured people. But, uh, but I think, you know what I mean, right? Like right now, this is a thing I say to, to Bree all the time, Bree looks amazing. Every time I see her, she looks fantastic. Unless, yeah. Yeah, she always looks great and she's super well spoken. She's really good at faking it. I mean, really, that's what it boils down to because I know how she really feels.
We talk about this stuff. We know, I know what her symptoms are like. I've seen her at the end of the day, sitting on her living room, room couch, and she looks like she just went to war and all she did was stand up for a couple of hours. Right. I've seen this and I've seen it time and time again, not just with her, it's just that I know her the best.
And so, you know, while I'm joke around a little bit about whether or not you look great in the film, you look great right now, right? I mean, I'm looking at you now. You got a big smile on your face. And for people that are un [00:34:00] uninitiated to this, they would think she doesn't look that bad off to me.
Jaimie and Kristin: Right.
Jared: But then in the doc or in the, uh, Trailer, I see you hobbling along on a cane. You just talk about how going to the grocery store is a real feat, which sounds ridiculous until you're there, right? And then you're still gonna take, put the energy in to put aside all of this crap you're going through and put out a documentary.
So why? What's the point?
Jaimie and Kristin: I think that the community that we've established through all of this has been so life changing and the pandemic was a really difficult time for everybody. I. And having an injury that was so controversial was very traumatic. And the only way to really get through that is to see the lighter side, like [00:35:00] the lighter side of things.
And that was possible through these groups and friendships that developed. And we wanna meet those people. Right. Yeah. We just went through something that was so crazy that it's hard to even comprehend and. We just really want to share that side of it. I, I just think it's so important. It's so weird.
Before any of this happened, I would've been really, like, I hated having my picture taken, right? Like, I, I, oh my God, Jamie did all of my social media stuff for my business. People would always say, oh, your quotes are so positive. And I'd be like, thank you.
I just didn't like it. Right. I've always been like an extrovert in a small, contained area, but. Um, it's weird how all of that stuff just falls away when it no [00:36:00] longer matters. It just doesn't, right? Yeah. Yeah. And there's so much more. It's not just about, I mean, it is about you and what you're going through, and it's about everything around that, right?
Yes. It's about our families. Our friendship, right? The people we've met, what we've been through, like the healthcare system, what that journey has looked like, and just connecting with other people and letting them know they're not alone because no human should be alone or shamed for something that they're going through.
Right. And it's full stop. Full stop. Yeah. And what we both personally have been through in our lives in the last two years and what we have lost and what we have experienced. That in, in itself is astounding. Um, and we have a lot of support. So I think every day about what the people that don't have the level of support that we do are going through, and I just want to find them all like, right, that is why we're doing this because it's so important.
Jared: it's, it's been a really [00:37:00] interesting journey for me, uh, going through this process from the day I met Brianne Dressen, uh, at a legislative meeting in, in hearing in, uh, salt Lake City. Uh, talking about, uh, employer mandates for. For the vaccines. And I knew who she was cuz I'd seen her on the Ron Johnson panel.
Uh, you know, uh, prior to that and I knew she was a Utah, but I had no idea if she would be at this event. And, uh, but I went because I was, uh, fully in favor of, you know, not mandating any of this stuff. So I'm sitting there in a, uh, In a separate room cuz it was a sellout crowd, so to speak. They had four or five overflow rooms full and then they had the main hearing room and I was upstairs in a corner of the capitol building watching this with my sweetheart and we're watching a video screen of what's happening downstairs and the very last speaker, and they gave everybody, I think a minute or 90 seconds or something like that was Bree dressing.
And she [00:38:00] stands up and I'm like, I know who that is. I know who that is. I saw we saw her on these videos. I, I gotta meet her because when I saw her on the Ron Johnson thing, found out she was in Utah, I thought, you know, I, I need someone like that on, on my, my other podcast, vitality Radio. Because I knew at that point that there were hundreds of millions of people that didn't know that this was even a possibility.
That this could happen. Right. And I unfortunately had a little bit of a, an insider's view and saw a lot more of this stuff happening than maybe most people did at that point. So anyway, I ran down the stairs and was like, I gotta make sure I catch this lady and, and talk to her and get to know her. And it's been such a huge blessing in my life to have her, uh, not just to be able to call her a friend, but to just gain so much strength.
From watching her fight and what I've seen over the last year and a half since I've known her is the awareness level just [00:39:00] blossoming beautifully. So many more people are now aware. They almost, I think there are very few people anymore that don't know someone that has something going on
Jaimie and Kristin: there's a lot in Canada.
Jared: Right. Yeah. Even if it's not, you know, severe stuff like what we're talking about with Kristen, but, you know, tinnitus and headaches and fatigue and, you know, all the things, right? And so the awareness is there and, uh, or at least it's much, much better than it was. But there's still, for me, one of the things that I, that I find frustrating is that while a lot of people know what's going on or have seen things, There doesn't seem to be the kind of cry that needs to be heard to stop this madness and to, and to support those who were damaged in the process.
Jaimie and Kristin: it awful? And I think unfortunately until somebody goes through like j Jamie has had a lot of judgment with [00:40:00] the amount of support she's given me over the last couple years with some people in her life. And I think until you almost lose your best friend or until your dad dies or your child is injured you, it's just easier to turn and look the other way.
Yeah. You know?
Jared: life.
Jaimie and Kristin: Absolutely stay in your bubble. Mm-hmm.
Jared: Yeah. And that, and I, I think we're all past that time. We're all past the time where we can just keep the blinders on and look straight ahead.
Jaimie and Kristin: yeah, I hope so. No, there's no going back for us. No. There's plowing forward in full force and that what're.
Jared: Yeah. Well, I admire you both. Uh, I admire you both so much for doing that and, and for putting. For showing strength in a time of, of potential great weakness, uh, is, is really important. Are there any other things, I mean, for, for the people listening, what, what would you [00:41:00] say they need to hear in terms of what they can do, uh, to try and support people in your shoes?
Jaimie and Kristin: I just think that people need to have less judgment of others. Yeah. On all avenues. Yeah. And compassion. Yeah. Yeah. We're all human. Yeah. We're all going through something. Mm-hmm. And we need community. Mm-hmm. We need to take care of each other. Yeah. And yeah, and just because you don't share the same experience doesn't mean that your experience isn't valid.
Absolutely. Right. We all have different paths, and that doesn't mean that we're different in all aspects, right? Like we're all human beings.
Jared: Yeah, there's, there, there's more common ground, I think, amongst all of us than maybe most of us are willing to admit. And, and one of the things that I think is also so tragic about the Covid years, uh, that we've, the, we've been dealing with is that it seems the divide has gotten greater, not smaller,
Jaimie and Kristin: Mm-hmm.
Jared: this [00:42:00] process, in fact, much greater.
And, uh, I don't know. I, I don't know what the answer is there. What I hope that this podcast does, and the reason I, I do the podcast, the reason I have people like yourselves on is I hope that it just touches a few hearts and brings a few tears and gets people to feel, uh, a little bit more than just think and, uh, and become more aware and share that awareness and speak up and, you know, say what needs to be heard.
So you're, you're. Documentary. I keep wanting to call it a podcast. I guess I'm pigeonholed in what I do for on a day-to-day basis. But your documentary, um, is going to be not just about your story. There will be other injured people that are being interviewed. Is that accurate?
Jaimie and Kristin: Yes, the, the story begins with Kristen and myself and, um, how we have experienced her injury, uh, through our friendship, right? [00:43:00] And um, and then how we have come across this gigantic worldwide community of other injured people and. And how that has impacted her life and essentially like giving her the strength to go off.
And so we want to incorporate those people into this film as well. Film her, meeting them, talk about their lives, um, what their experiences have been like, and, um, keep it very organic, very like down to like through the eyes of the injured essentially is the whole film starting with Kristen and myself and our journey through it together.
Jared: I love that idea. That sounds amazing. And I'm, I'm really excited for the finished product to come out. So we'll have, again, we'll have links for the, for the website, uh, links where you can donate, as well as a link to YouTube for the trailer, uh, that you can see, uh, which again, I just watched right before we started this interview.
And it's something that you need to. It's something that you need to see and that you need to [00:44:00] share. Get the word out if you're listening and you want to help. Those are ways that you can help and I would highly encourage you to do that. Uh, what else would you like to share while I've got you here today?
Jaimie and Kristin: Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you so much for hearing us and for having us on your show, and we just, we wanna reach as many people as possible. We're open to doing interviews with other people as well. If anyone knows of somebody else that would like to interview us, we would love that. So all of our contact information is on our webpage as well.
Excuse me, at invisible fences film.com. Kristen is like getting a little bit, uh,
Jared: I can see.
Jaimie and Kristin: Shaky. So usually she taps out around an hour.
Jared: if you're on the, if you're on the audio, um, I do encourage you to go to the dearly discarded pod on Rumble so that you can watch video because it does put an added layer of. Real reality, uh, in the mix when you start to see, when I start to see the person I'm [00:45:00] interviewing, start to shake and not be able to control bodily emotions and things like that.
And Kristen, thank you for your strength, your willingness to get on camera with me and, and do this. I will plug you into a couple of people that I know that can hopefully help you expose your story a little bit more,
Jaimie and Kristin: That would be amazing.
Jared: the movie, and, uh, uh, consider me your friend and ally. If you have anything that I can do in the future, please let me know and please look.
Me up when you come to Utah.
Jaimie and Kristin: Yes,
Jared: I would love to meet you both.
Jaimie and Kristin: Thank you so much. You love that.
Jared: Wonderful. Okay. Well thank you so much. I'm gonna let you rest Kristen. Uh, and uh, again, for everybody listening, all of the links will be in the show description and, uh, go check out, uh, the website one more time. Invisible fences film.com.
Jaimie and Kristin: Yes, yes.
Jared: Okay.
Invisible fences film.com. Thank you so much for joining me. I appreciate you both so very much.
Jaimie and Kristin: Thank you so much for having us have such a good day.
Jared: Absolutely, and for you listening, thank you for joining us as well. I know these stories aren't the easiest ones to [00:46:00] hear. Please listen and please share. I appreciate you very, very much as well. I'm Jared St. Clair and this has Ben, the Dearly Discarded podcast.