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In this engaging podcast, a dad and his two sons explore their personal interests while rating a variety of alcoholic beverages. They dive into discussions about nerd and geek culture, travel experiences, and an array of intriguing topics that pique their curiosity. Join them for a fun and lighthearted conversation filled with laughter, insights, and, of course, plenty of drink reviews!
Welcome to the first episode of the 3 hamster boys podcast. Of course, we are the 3 hamster boys. I'm Alexander. I'm the eldest son. This is Nick, my younger brother, and then our father, Jeff, will be joining us.
Alexander:It's weird to say
Jeff/Dad:The old
Nick:man. It's weird to say Jeff instead of just dad or father. Father.
Alexander:So, yeah, this is a fun little thing where we're just gonna be hanging out. We'll be having some adult beverages and talking about some some topic topics. Today, the topic and questions, we're gonna be talking heroes in media and kind of what we consider heroes and why, and maybe some of our heroes that that we look up to. But first, I'm gonna throw it off to Nick, and Nick's gonna talk a little bit about what we're drinking today.
Nick:Yeah. So, to start it off, we are drinking some bourbon, from a local distillery, called Blind Preacher.
Jeff/Dad:And it's from Foothills Distillery, and we'll have the information in the description.
Nick:Yeah. We've had a different bottle, before, but this is a new one. And we'll also be having 2 different cocktails, from this bourbon as, like, the sort of centerpiece.
Jeff/Dad:Yeah. So the first one we got was the very first bottle that they ever, distilled, and then this is the next bottle that came out. And that one the first one was a single barrel. This one is a small batch. So Yeah.
Jeff/Dad:It's it's a mixture, so let's see how it tastes, guys.
Alexander:Yeah. Cheers.
Nick:Click click click.
Jeff/Dad:Sculp. Now I'm a whiskey scotch drinker, so this is great to me. This is this is really good sipping. Maybe a little bit of rocks make it a little bit chilled. Yeah.
Jeff/Dad:But
Alexander:He's yeah.
Jeff/Dad:I don't think they're much into the, straight alcohol thing, gasoline.
Alexander:No. I like it. The only issue is I was I, like, tapped it on the table, like, I was just gonna down the whole thing, and I was like, wait a second. This is sipping.
Nick:It's a bold choice. I'm not gonna lie.
Jeff/Dad:But it's got a, it's got a good finish. I really liked how it finished. So, anyway, so the the next drinks will be a little bit more easy to drink.
Nick:I love that. We'll see. We'll see. The the next one is kinda tough.
Alexander:Yeah. So we we've had a little bit of this, and we have this to kind of sip on while we're talking about heroes. So to kick things off, dad, I know you were kind of one of the people who really introduced this idea. I wanna kinda pick your brain a little bit and, like, we each came up with 3 heroes that we that we think are, like, good heroes in media. But in in your words, 1, obviously, I wanna hear your your number 3 hero, but also, like, what is a hero to you?
Jeff/Dad:Yeah. So I think that one of the things that when we talk about this stuff when we're driving anywhere or at the dinner table, each one each of us has a different opinion in how they impact us. And so when I look at heroes, the thing I'm looking for is not usually the strongest or the the fastest or whatever. It's someone that has the power to overcome whatever their weaknesses or or their limitation and their ability to just, do it. And I think that the the three people that I picked have limitations, and they're they're not considered big superheroes like a Superman or whatever, but or Hulk, but they but they definitely represent someone that's changed and evolved or is really represents a kind of, off the beaten path hero.
Jeff/Dad:So so I'll I'll do my first one. My my first one is, for number 3 is Aquaman. And, you know, most people think of the Aquaman of today. You know? And what I remember for Aquaman is in the seventies as a child on Saturday mornings watching the Super Friends.
Jeff/Dad:Right? You had Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman, and then the Wonder Twins. And Aquaman was probably considered the oddball because, you know, all he could do is jump in the water and control the fish, and I loved it. And it's kinda funny because it drove me to be in submarines for 9 years. So I loved being underneath the water and communicating, but Aquaman was always I always thought of him as the outsider super friend, so I thought he was great for me.
Alexander:Did you go into the navy and go into subs thinking that you could, like, see out the submarine windows and talk to fish?
Jeff/Dad:No. I did not do that. Everybody asked me that. Oh, what were the windows like? And you can't see anything in submarines.
Nick:So Did you have, like, a orange, like, shirt?
Jeff/Dad:I did. I had
Nick:an orange shirt and green pants that I wore. Just like Aquaman.
Jeff/Dad:And then when I was feeling buff, I would tear it
Nick:off. Oh,
Jeff/Dad:that's the
Nick:that's the new age, Aquaman.
Jeff/Dad:I didn't have the blonde hair.
Nick:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Alexander:Well, you know, with time, the blonde hair has changed and there's something a little different.
Jeff/Dad:I have no hair, and it's gray.
Alexander:Okay. Yeah. I I like that. Nick, I think we'll throw it over to you here. 1, what is a hero, and then what's this this third hero that you're gonna kick us off with?
Nick:Yeah. I think I'm I I completely agree. I think a hero isn't just, I'm the strongest in the room. It it isn't the, I'm the I'm the best. I think a hero, it's all about the heart for me.
Nick:Like, it's the the heart of a hero or, like, the willpower. Mhmm. It's, like, the the ability to to look at the the the stakes and the odds, and, like, no matter how impossible or improbable, like, they keep moving forward. Like, it's the perseverance. I think that that's, like, what a hero is to me.
Nick:Like, against all odds, they're still the one, like, going.
Alexander:Yeah.
Nick:So my my number 3 hero, is is from a little, Cartoon Network one shot show called Over the Garden Wall, and his name is Greg. Greg, is That's a really superhero name. Yeah. He dresses as an elephant. He's fantastic.
Nick:He's the he's the determination to, like, never give up. It's it's like he's such a a strong and, like, forward thinking character. He's definitely not the strongest. He's no way the smartest in any in any capacity, But his his, like, attitude and, like, the the sort of situations that he, like, goes against, he always seems to end out, like, pretty okay and, like, is an inspiration. I think I think he's so great.
Nick:That's great.
Jeff/Dad:I mean, I I I I love that we are we we're thinking really outside the box of what most people think of as heroes.
Nick:I think yeah. But we're still sweet. We're still staying in the vein.
Jeff/Dad:Yeah. That's right. This is still number 3.
Nick:Yeah. Yeah.
Alexander:I I I will also say, like, thanks for the reminder. The over the garden wall season is coming up here, where we watch it once every year, and it's just about that time that fall season is coming up.
Nick:I'm looking forward to it.
Jeff/Dad:Alright, Alexander. Your turn.
Nick:Bring it home.
Alexander:Yeah. I think very similarly to y'all, the, like, the hero is someone who is able to to overcome, to push forward. I think, like, the definition of a hero is someone who displays, like, courage or outstanding actions or, some sort of, like, notable characteristics or noble characteristics. And I agree. I like that.
Alexander:The addition that I would throw on to this is I think when I think about this question, when I think about heroes, I think about how as I've gotten older, my definition or my ideal hero has kind of changed. And it's never really been the same, and it kind of morphs into something different for what I think, like, I need in in my life at this moment. So I think number 3, my hero. Like, as as a kid, I loved Spider Man, and I I think Spider Man is, like, a a good introductory hero, especially when you look at, like, comics and even, like, animated shows or even the the movies. Right?
Alexander:A lot of times it's really clear cut. Like, it's good versus evil.
Jeff/Dad:Yeah.
Alexander:It's the the good guy beating up the bad guy. And it's like what you think of when you think of heroes. You think of, like, the Avengers. Yeah. Captain America.
Alexander:Yeah. Captain America. You think, like, rushing into the front, in in the face of danger. And I think that that's kind of, like, as a kid, I thought that was really cool to be so courageous, so strong, and to be able to swing into action and make, like, witty remarks.
Jeff/Dad:Plus, he was a teenager, so it was something you could relate to if you were a teenager too. This teenager was being something.
Alexander:And he was a nerd too.
Nick:Yeah. Yeah. Spider Man is, like, the the everyday, like, hero Yeah. That, like, you can really understand. Yeah.
Nick:But, like, he makes choices. Like, Peter Parker makes those choices that really exemplify being a hero in addition to, like if Peter Parker didn't have all these, like, powers
Jeff/Dad:Mhmm.
Nick:I still see him, like, doing like, being a hero. Yeah. Like, he doesn't need the the the spider powers.
Jeff/Dad:I think that whenever he doesn't make the right decision, he's he usually feel feels really guilty about it. Yeah. Right? So when there's times in the comics or in cartoons or whatever, or in even the live actions, whenever he makes a decision that's not based on what his true values are and how he is as a hero, it always goes badly for him.
Alexander:Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff/Dad:You know? And so I think that that's something you can relate to.
Alexander:I mean, that's not we didn't even mention that, but like values and morals of like being high and kind of these more rigid morals feels like I'm
Nick:gonna change that. Yeah.
Jeff/Dad:Crazy.
Alexander:Cool. So that's our first round of heroes. I love what everyone has brought to the table so far. Speaking of bringing things to the table, Nick, what are we drinking next, and why is it that color?
Nick:So Do we need ice for this? It it's recommended chilled out of the glass.
Alexander:I'm not even sure if we can, like, fit a lot of Yeah.
Jeff/Dad:We can get a we can get 1 or 2 in
Alexander:there. Oh, the ASMR.
Nick:Yeah. I I would recommend ice for many reasons, but this is this this is what is known as a left hand.
Jeff/Dad:And I'm left handed.
Alexander:I'm left handed.
Nick:Yeah. I'm the right handed person.
Alexander:As a side note, does this make you think of camp when you left hand?
Nick:No. Okay. Well, sort of. A little bit. It is a it's it's, like, so alcoholic.
Nick:It has Campari, vermouth Sweet vermouth. Sweet vermouth, and bitters, and chocolate bitters. And that's basically it. It it was compared to, like, a Negroni.
Jeff/Dad:And the whiskey. And the bourbon. Yeah.
Nick:And the bourbon. Blind creature. Yeah. We have the blind creature obviously as the the sort of Base. Yeah.
Nick:The the flagship.
Alexander:So this podcast is just gonna get better and better the more alcohol
Nick:we're drinking. Absolutely. The ramble will continue. Cheers. Yeah.
Jeff/Dad:Oh, that goes down way too.
Alexander:About to say that's a little too dangerous.
Nick:The one I made yesterday was not like this.
Jeff/Dad:The one
Nick:I made yesterday was so boozy. I know that's
Jeff/Dad:That's actually tasty.
Nick:That's very good. I was
Alexander:like, it smells boozy, but it goes down really
Nick:I made a really bad one yesterday.
Jeff/Dad:Well, I mean, it's also you didn't have the elderberry. Right?
Nick:That's a different one.
Jeff/Dad:No. That's a different one.
Alexander:Yeah. No. It's a sneak peek for
Nick:lady other one. This is
Jeff/Dad:this is really good.
Nick:That's nice.
Alexander:Yeah. I
Nick:was a little concerned.
Jeff/Dad:And and once again, just like with everything else, we'll put the recipe or the video to the recipe on in the description so
Alexander:you can look at it.
Nick:We we should have had a video of you making them. No. It was it was a mess.
Jeff/Dad:We may not have the right equipment for doing mythology. No.
Nick:A lot of But maybe weird materials used. Alright.
Alexander:So now that we have this drink, which I'm afraid might be dangerous as we're sitting here, moving on to our second hero choice out of out of 3 here. Nick, why don't you kick us off in your your second hero?
Nick:Yeah. I think I'm I'm bound to just do side characters. Okay. Because I I I love the the the underdogs or, like, the, like, the companions that are, like, always so Yeah. Trustworthy and, like, you look up to them.
Nick:This one isn't a companion of sorts. It's it's a it is a side character though, from an anime called 1 punch man. And the the one who exemplifies being a hero in my eyes is a character called Moomin Rider.
Alexander:Oh my, I knew you're gonna say that. So good. I agree a 100%.
Nick:He is just a guy with a bicycle. I don't know if you are you familiar with him?
Jeff/Dad:I've so so I'm not the anime guy, and the only anime I get exposed to is what they what these guys show me.
Alexander:That is true.
Jeff/Dad:And, I have seen 1 Punch, and I do remember this guy, but I don't remember a lot about him.
Alexander:Yeah. He doesn't show up often. No. But he does get his moments.
Nick:Yeah. He he is like this indomitable spirit. He he has this, like, unbreaking will. Because, you know, in the One Punch Man world, everyone is supernatural, superpowered, technologically years light years ahead of everyone else. There there's, like, some sort of edge that they have.
Nick:But he's just a guy with a bicycle, and he he rides around and just does whatever he needs to be. Like, he knows he knows what he knows, like, martial arts, but it doesn't compare to the the things he faces. And he's just, like, this unbreakable will. Like, he he's ready to sacrifice his entire life to make sure that one citizen is is safe and okay. And I think he exemplifies being, like, a true hero to, like, such a a degree that it's, like, admirable just to watch whenever you see him.
Alexander:I mean, yeah. He I I kind of am upset that I didn't put him in my list, because I think you're right. He's, like, the perfect hero in in this world. He also has, like, stayed in c class, which is, like, the lowest rank of heroes because he he knows what he can handle and what he can't handle. And in this world of, like, supernatural things, he is quite literally just a man.
Alexander:He's just a human being, and that often gets him into trouble. There are moments where he is up against an opponent, which he has no possible way of beating. No. There there's, like this this person, I'm thinking of, like, the king of the sea Yeah. Who has beaten other heroes who are ranked much higher than him, who have superpowers.
Alexander:And Mumen Rider just thrown his bike at this guy. Doesn't do anything except, you know, make make this this bad guy upset. But, man, he yeah. He's he's just the perfect hero.
Nick:Yeah.
Jeff/Dad:Alright. Your turn.
Nick:Yeah. Yeah. Go around.
Alexander:Yeah. Okay. Top that.
Nick:Yeah. I absolutely number 2.
Alexander:I absolutely cannot. I think Moonrider, I wish I
Nick:I wish I thought about it. Been number 1.
Alexander:Yeah. He could have absolutely been number 1. I'm gonna take a little bit more of a different approach. Back, you know, a couple minutes ago, I was saying that I think heroes change as I've gotten older. And I think Spider Man exemplifies this very, like, black and white, good versus evil, good vanquishing evil.
Alexander:But oftentimes, in world and in media, good and evil are not necessarily as obvious or even, like, there isn't a good or evil. It's a lot more gray area. One of my favorite Studio Ghibli movies is Princess Mononoke, And, the character Ashitaka from Studio Ghibli, from Princess Mononoke, I think is a good exemplifier of a hero in the fact that he has power, but he also is in this way of, like, he doesn't want to overuse that power or abuse that power. And I think Princess Mononoke is a good example of, like, there's not really good and evil. It's like man versus nature in most of this.
Alexander:And a lot of times, it's not like the forest nature isn't evil in this regard. They're trying to protect themselves. And man, in their own right, are not necessarily evil in this in this movie as well. And it's kind of this back and forth of trying to find coexistence. And I think Ashitaka is a good mediator for this in terms of trying to solve things peacefully or mediate without violence.
Alexander:And sometimes, he does have to use that force. But other times, he tries to stop and prevent more people from being hurt.
Nick:I think you you brought up, like, a really good point on also, like, what a hero's job is. I think we've mainly talked about, like, overcoming, like, and, like, defeating evil.
Jeff/Dad:Mhmm.
Nick:And, like, you bringing up, like, heroes can also just be, like, peacekeepers. Yeah. Or, like, they they will find a balance between this, like, light and dark from, like, someone's perspective. And I think that extends, like, both ways, and it a hero is someone who, like it's it's always someone who takes, like, a a road least traveled. Mhmm.
Nick:And, like, no matter how difficult Yeah. Like, solving the solution through more unconventional means, I think is is, like, also such a a great characteristic.
Jeff/Dad:Much more interesting.
Alexander:Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff/Dad:Yeah. You want them to be transformational, but in a very unique way.
Nick:It's, like, way more compelling Yeah. When everyone's, like, oh, we have to defeat the other side, and then when someone arrives and goes, what if what if there's another way?
Jeff/Dad:Right.
Nick:Yeah. I think I think that's always, like, the the protagonist and the call. But it it's like it's, like, very endearing at some points. Yeah.
Jeff/Dad:So I'm gonna go completely different way. So my number system. My number 2 is really brutal and whatever. It's Kratos from God of War.
Nick:Yeah.
Jeff/Dad:And so, I am not a big gamer. I love watching games. When we were when Alexander was younger, me and Nick used to watch him play, and it was something that we really enjoyed doing. And I love watching, video games, and we watch a bunch of different ones on on YouTube. And when we were watching the playthrough on both of the God of Wars
Alexander:The the most recent one.
Jeff/Dad:The most recent one.
Nick:Just spirit. The the original one. 2018. Yeah.
Jeff/Dad:Yeah. The original ones were very much one-sided where he was just violent.
Nick:Yeah. Kratos, like, starts off as, like, a very like, you you sympathize with his his, like, feelings, but he's not a really good person.
Jeff/Dad:He's not a sympathetic character at all. No. Yeah. But I think that the last 2 really developed him and transformed him into something really very different. So at the end, you know, it was
Nick:Minor spoilers.
Jeff/Dad:Yeah. Minor spoilers. Yeah. So in the end, he was a different person. And the thing that was driving him was less about breaking things than creating and solving things, in my mind.
Jeff/Dad:And I think that that was and he he used there's no doubt. He is a he is a violent character that does things that are not nice. But in the end, he came to a p a point of peace, and for everyone around him too. And so the it's it's for me, it's an antihero kind of character, but I love that transformation, and I love that where he ended up was such a great place. And so I think that that's why he's on my list, although he's definitely not a traditional hero in that sense.
Nick:I I think Kratos is is so fascinating in the way that yeah. His transformation. And I think it's it's watching a character go from such a, like, a low care like, a low state. Like, you could never sustain yourself as, like, such a a character. Right.
Nick:And then, like, watching them transform and, like, the the enemy partly for Kratos is is himself and his past. And watch him fully overcome, accept, and become this this thing he never imagined himself being in any sense.
Jeff/Dad:Because everyone, when they saw him, they saw the old Kratos. No matter everyone he talked to, they always talked about what he had done. Yeah. Oh, you you killed this god or whatever. That's who you are.
Jeff/Dad:Yeah. You know? And he kept doing things that were against that, which were just incredible.
Alexander:You know, something that I you haven't mentioned that I thought you were gonna mention is Kratos is also a father. Yeah. And I think his son has also played, like, especially in the newer games. Well, yeah,
Nick:in the newer games because, I mean, well Well, he's
Jeff/Dad:the daughter. He knows for the but yeah. No. But I think that also that also touches how I look at him
Alexander:Yeah.
Jeff/Dad:Because he was willing and was willing to do everything for his son.
Nick:Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff/Dad:You know? And that was not the character he was in the early game.
Alexander:And I think a lot of the change that we see from Kratos is brought on by the fact that he is obviously fighting against himself and fighting against the way that people look at him, but also the way that his son looks at him.
Jeff/Dad:Yeah. And I think also him trying to live up to what he thinks his his wife wants him to
Nick:be. It's true. Yeah. And I
Jeff/Dad:think that that's always a hard thing to to to match and get right. Yeah. So that
Nick:That's a pretty good one. That was game.
Jeff/Dad:Alright. Drink number 3.
Nick:Oh my gosh.
Alexander:Yeah. I haven't even finished this, but yeah. Sure. Let's let's talk about the next drink.
Nick:Nick, what do we got here? This this is a paradise apple. This is the easiest to drink. At least yesterday it was. I think it's super now.
Jeff/Dad:And we need ice?
Nick:I'd highly recommend it. Yeah. Ice is really good with it.
Jeff/Dad:Okay. We're doing ASMR again? We have
Nick:time. Oh, whatever. Yeah. This is, obviously, with a bourbon. It's a more seasonal drink.
Nick:Try
Alexander:not to get you to splash it.
Nick:There we go.
Jeff/Dad:You got apple cider. Right?
Nick:It has apple cider. It has figs and honey. It has elderflower liqueur, and then a riesling.
Jeff/Dad:Yeah. Riesling.
Nick:Riesling. That's how you say it. I've been saying riesling for the the whole time we've been looking it up.
Alexander:Yeah. Mom was not happy with your pronunciation
Nick:or anything. I've been critiqued and corrected, a variety of times. But no. This it's like, it's just apple, and it's very good. It's it it's like really good to drink.
Jeff/Dad:Definitely tastes sounds like a fall drink.
Nick:Yeah. Yeah. For for the the spirit of it. Cheers. Cheers.
Nick:Cheers.
Alexander:I love apple things.
Nick:This is so good.
Jeff/Dad:I I don't know. I think I like the middle one the best. Oh,
Nick:it kinda burns my throat. The middle one? Yeah.
Jeff/Dad:Well I didn't get that. I mean, it's got a lot of alcohol in it. But, yeah, I think I like that one best. I'm not not a big Apple fan, so but, yeah, this one this one no. I love the sipping, but I definitely like the middle one the best.
Jeff/Dad:Yeah.
Nick:I wanted a variety, and I think And I
Jeff/Dad:think it was good. I think you did really good here. Alright.
Nick:Alright. Alexander, I'm just bringing home.
Alexander:I I'm I'm the the only person who hasn't gone first this time, so I'll I'll go first this time. Again, I I think everything that I I do has kind of brought me, or all the heroes that I thought about have been brought about by me thinking about what I need or, like, what I think a hero should be. And kind of as a little backstory, Nick and I work at a camp for kids with medical needs, diagnoses, things of that nature, and I really enjoy my work as a camp counselor or sometimes leadership, whatever, over the summer. And that kind of plays in my mind a lot because I think about, am I doing the right thing? Am I, like, mentoring these kids properly?
Alexander:Am I really having, like, the effect that I want to on them? So my last hero is, Garnet from Steven Universe. So this is, yeah. You have no idea what this is.
Jeff/Dad:I haven't
Nick:seen Steven Universe. I'm not familiar with the character. I'm familiar with the series.
Alexander:Yeah. So as a little backstory, this is like a a children's show. I I won't sugarcoat it. It's a kid's show, on Cartoon Network or was on Cartoon Network when it was airing, And, basically, it's about this kid, Steven, who, is living with these people who are, like, quite literally made of gems. Oh.
Alexander:So Garnet is a Garnet gemstone. Okay. And you have amethyst. You know, like, there are other characters that are are gems, and, basically, these gems are like aliens from the outside, like, out from space that have come to this this world. And Steven is a kid, and he doesn't have his mom.
Alexander:He doesn't have a parent or anyone. Well, he has a dad, but his dad is, a
Jeff/Dad:Piece of coal? Well, you know, he he's
Alexander:a good guy. His dad is trying his best, but not doing great. Mhmm. And so Steven lives with these gems who are have kind of, like, taken over responsibility of, you know, being a a parent to him. Garnet is, I think the the epitome of, like, a a mentor, and she kind of helps Steven learn how to control the powers that he has, but also to be like a a human being and, like, exist in the world.
Alexander:I think it's a show that kind of really really kind of goes about, like, growing up and what it means to be a kid and and what it means to get older. Sometimes that means fighting aliens along the way. Sure. Why not? But
Jeff/Dad:that's what I did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Nick:Yeah. We've all been there.
Alexander:But I I think in this way, Garnet is my hero because not only is she, like, awesome at fighting and kicking alien butt, but she also is able to sit down with Steven and be like, hey. You're going through a lot of emotions right now. This is a really stressful situation. You're feeling overwhelmed, and I get that, and that's okay. And she's, like, able to offer not only that mentoring that mentorship, but also, like, a a listening ear to be like, I get it.
Alexander:You know? And I I really respect that, and I really like that. And I when I was watching the show, I I it really kind of resonated with me, the kind of person that I wanna be in being a a strong mentor, and able to kind of empathize and and make sure that my kids are are heard and seen, and they feel like they're in a a safe space. Mhmm.
Jeff/Dad:That's great. And that really plays into my hero. Yeah. So my my number one hero is John McClane
Nick:Yeah.
Jeff/Dad:From Die Hard.
Nick:The best mentor. The best mentor. It is her
Jeff/Dad:a big shift. Welcome to the party. So John McClane is is my number one hero just for everything we said.
Alexander:What what is John McCain McClane from? Die Hard. Die Hard. Bruce Willis.
Nick:The greatest Christmas movie ever. Yeah.
Jeff/Dad:And let's not start that.
Nick:And then 4 sequels.
Jeff/Dad:Four sequels. Let's not count number 2. We'll count number 3. We won't count. Four is okay.
Jeff/Dad:5 is not.
Alexander:Oh, I forgot there was
Nick:a 5th one. Yeah.
Jeff/Dad:The 5th one's a Russian one. Yeah. Anyways but,
Nick:The sun.
Jeff/Dad:Yeah. The sun. Sorry. Anyways, so the the thing is is that this is just an average guy down on his luck, and he's he's not all of my heroes, except for Kratos, usually my heroes are they they they really depend on somebody else, because, like, in each one of the the each one of the sequels of Die Hard and the original, he's always like, I'll just get it to somewhere where someone else can do something. And then he's always forced to have to do something because the the rescuing police force or army or whatever gets thwarted because the bad guys know better.
Jeff/Dad:Yeah. And so, unfortunately, this is also kind of a good bad thing there. You know who the bad guys are. You know the good guys are. There's not a lot of gray area in this, but it's fun.
Jeff/Dad:You see this guy trying his very best. He's not doing he has no superhero powers. He has no extra powers. He's just a regular guy trying his best, and that's, to me, the epitome of what a hero is because you have to be able to do that in your day to day life. Like you said, be a mentor, be an example, help people out as much as you can.
Jeff/Dad:And I just I love that idea. It's just kind of an extreme in a Die Hard movie.
Nick:Yeah. It's true.
Jeff/Dad:I'm not jumping from any
Nick:I would I would say John McClane, though, is he's always the the unknown factor. Yes.
Alexander:Like, they're
Nick:he always goes against these, like, masterminds. Right? There's always, like, oh, well well, someone who plans against, like, the biggest stakes. Like, oh, we can deal with army or, like, giant forces. And then John McClane strolls up and, like, their entire plan is Well, look.
Nick:Like dissolved.
Jeff/Dad:When I go into a room, I never think I'm the smartest or the the best, but I'm always trying hard. Yeah. And that's what he is. He's he knows he's not the smartest, you know, whatever.
Alexander:I think he's like the the hero fantasy in a way where, like, he's just like a cop from New York or whatever. And so, like, you in a way, you're like, could I could I take down
Nick:a group of Russian or, like, German terrorists? I don't know.
Jeff/Dad:Yeah. Alright. Nick, your turn. You finish this up here.
Nick:So as stated, I'll I'll reiterate. Companions. Yes. They are they are the the tried and true. They're basically, like, a lot of heroes have their their anchor, their support.
Jeff/Dad:Their foil.
Nick:Their foil. Yeah. And I think they're so necessary for, like, the completion of of the hero that we we see take center stage. But there's one in particular that I feel overcomes it and and really shines brighter than the hero a lot of times, which is Samwise Gamgee, the the the hobbit. He's my number one.
Nick:He he is the coolest guy ever. I he he is someone who has no confidence in himself. He is someone that looks at everyone else like they are gods, basically. He hangs out with the prince of the elves, Gandalf the Grey into the white. He hangs out with the bearer of the One Ring.
Nick:He hangs out with the king of Gondor. He he's surrounded by just the most impressive people in the entire world, and yet there's something so charming about just a hungry hobbit looking to get home. And I I've seen this comparison. I think it's so funny. He traveled around the entire world fighting against the the odds of of impossibility to gain the courage to ask for the girl he loves out.
Nick:Like, who already loves him. Yeah. Yeah. I I think it's so he's such a good character. He Frodo would've would've fallen so many times time, time, time again True.
Nick:Without Sam, and he's the one who tells the story. He's the one who who leaves this legacy. Mhmm. Because Frodo disappears.
Jeff/Dad:Right.
Nick:But Sam is is this one who who still will withstand the world. And I think god. He's he's he's so awesome. That's my hero.
Jeff/Dad:I mean, I think it's a it's a it's a great ending to this because I think that the 3 of us really picked characters that were really personal to us. And I think I think that's really the the underlying part of this is that heroes are your personal extension, what is important to you, and what is valuable to you. So I agree.
Alexander:I think we also try to think a little outside the box Yeah. Because I think it's easy to think when you think hero. You think of, like, the Captain America's, of the world, but there's so many other heroes that maybe aren't quite as acknowledged or thought about.
Jeff/Dad:But are a lot more interesting, I think.
Alexander:Yeah. But are a lot more interesting. Yeah. You know, I I was thinking about Superman as being, like, that base hero for
Nick:me. Absolutely.
Alexander:But a lot of times, it's he's just, like, not super He's
Jeff/Dad:a cardboard. He's he's just such a flat cardboard sometimes.
Nick:He's what he what anyone needs him to be, I think. He's he's, like, such a he's he's the tofu. Yeah. He's the toban. He's a he's a toban hero.
Nick:He he will oh, there's a big giant threat. Okay. He'll deal with him. But also, he's someone who will take take time out of his world saving duties to talk to someone. Yeah.
Nick:I think he he's like he's both ends, and I think he's whatever a narrative needs him to be.
Alexander:I was supposed to say, I think it's necessary. Like, I think that those type of characters are needed
Jeff/Dad:Yeah.
Alexander:And might not be as interesting. Like, I think All Might from My Hero Academia plays, like, a very similar role in that regard, where, like, he's what he's what he's needed to be, but he's not, like, a super interesting character
Jeff/Dad:at
Alexander:the end of the day.
Jeff/Dad:I mean, I think I I was also thinking about Robin because I think there's many facets to how Robin has evolved in the comics.
Alexander:From, like, Batman around
Nick:the world? Yeah.
Jeff/Dad:Okay. Because Batman's already a complex character in the comics, not in the movies. Let's ignore that.
Nick:It depends on the movie.
Jeff/Dad:Yeah. Whatever movie. Yeah. But I think that, Robin really can be such an interesting character, especially as he's evolved into different
Alexander:I was about to and there's so many different Robins. So many Robins.
Nick:Each of them having their own, like, final evolution. Their own evolution. Yeah. Exact like their Pokemon. Yeah.
Nick:Evolving.
Alexander:Rob, it's like Eevee. Robin evolves into Red Hood.
Nick:Red Knightwing. Red Robin. Oracle.
Jeff/Dad:Yeah. Alright. Well, I think,
Alexander:I I yeah. I I think that's it for us today. We've had some alcohol. We've talked about heroes, and we've I've just had a great time
Nick:with y'all. Yep.
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Nick:And we'll see you later. Have a great day, guys. Bye.
Jeff/Dad:Take it easy.
Nick:Bye.