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The Stallone Podcast Network episode features hosts Ryan, Doug, and Craig diving into a lively discussion about Sylvester Stallone’s career, focusing on the 1993 action film Cliffhanger. They explore Stallone’s recent appearance at the Conn Film Festival, where he unveiled a 4K edition of First Blood and shared updates on Rambo: Last Blood, alongside his surprising pitch for a new Rocky story involving an undocumented immigrant. The hosts also discuss a potential Cobra streaming series, expressing skepticism about its viability without Stallone’s iconic character. The bulk of the episode is dedicated to a detailed analysis of Cliffhanger, praising its visceral action, practical effects, and iconic stunts, like the plane-to-plane transfer, while critiquing its dated dialogue and certain unrealistic sequences. With personal anecdotes, like Craig’s passion for the Ramones and Ryan’s military training, the hosts blend humor, nostalgia, and critical insight, celebrating Stallone’s legacy while acknowledging the film’s flaws and its place in 90s action cinema.
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Welcome to the *Sylvester Stallone and Friends* podcast, your go-to show for fans of Sylvester Stallone’s action-packed legacy, hosted by Ryan and a variety of other passionate hosts! This podcast dives deep into Stallone’s standalone films and those of his action-hero contemporaries, with special episodes dedicated to Frank Stallone. Please note that *Rocky* and *Rambo* are covered exclusively on our sister podcasts, *One More Round: The Rocky Series Podcast* and *It’s a Long Road: The Rambo Series Podcast*. Join us for engaging discussions, behind-the-scenes insights, and a nostalgic celebration of the films that defined a genre. Whether you’re a longtime fan or new to the scene, subscribe to the *Sylvester Stallone and Friends* feed for action-packed episodes you won’t want to miss!
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I mean yes all right and then go to
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Facebook go alive I'll tell you in
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reliable Facebook okay so we are live on Facebook we're live on YouTube we are good to go so welcome everybody to
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another recording slash episode of the Stallone podcast network podcast I'm one
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of the hosts Ryan and I'm from the going the distance the rocky series podcast
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that is my stuff ester Stallone connection to this Stallone podcast network of podcast hosts and why don't
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you guys introduce yourselves and how you're connected I'll go I'm Doug
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part two of the holy triumvirate of Fallone podcasters I'm one of the hosts of Rocky minute where we cover the Rocky
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movies one minute at a time we are in pre-production for Rocky three we
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finished two full seasons so there's a what about shoe boy I can't do math two
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hundred and thirtysomething episodes of content out there ready for you to binge
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awesome and I'm Craig Cohen and when we get around to it I I co host the sly
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cast and we covers the loans career from
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his very first films all the way to his current films and we're in the Maggie's
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right now so we've still got a lot more content coming your way and in the meantime I enjoy sitting down with Doug
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and Ryan I do want to hijack things for a little bit because I recently put out an episode of a show that I'm really
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proud of and as you guys know I think Ryan and Doug at least now I don't know
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if our listeners know too much but I'm a big Ramones fan they're like they're my band and I carry a torch for them and
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I've really tried to keep the spirit of that band alive after the floor original members have died so recently I had the
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opportunity to talk to their second bass player CJ Ramone who just put out a new
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album called the holy spell and I was able to interview him on the rock and/or
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roll podcast and it's about a 50 in a chat between me and CJ we were
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talking about his new album and we also talked about his time in the Ramones and it's a great discussion and there's some
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great music I included in it as well so if you're at all interested in hearing that interview please check it out look
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for the rock and/or roll podcast or go to my Ramones page which is Ramones
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pinhead dot blog spot.com and there's a link to it there as well but like I said it's it was a real honor to be able to
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sit down and chat with CJ who is just probably one of the most legit dudes you
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can talk to if you don't know CJ story I recommend looking back at it because the
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dude he he talks the talk and he walks the walk and he's just a stand-up guy
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and he's out there keeping the Ramones music alive and also doing a lot of
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really good work you know outside of the music industry as well so if you're at
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all interested check it out I think it's a really good interview and it's an interview I'm really really proud of oh
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you don't get many bands that have seen the evolution of punk from like its
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infancy to like where it is today so I mean I would commend you on on your
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dedication to the Ramones and and actually like act being able to interview somebody that's in the band
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you know what I mean it's incredible cuz I'm sure that guy has stories that that we can only dream of yeah and and it's
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all there he got into a lot of detail he he answered any question I wanted to ask him and he was very gracious with his
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time and yeah it's if you haven't heard of Ramones out and go out and buy leave
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home or rocket to Russia and you can thank me later because those guys were were where it's at and I slept on them
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for a very long time I'm not gonna claim to be a lifelong Ramones fan I I discovered them after they were no
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longer a band and and I regret it because they those those dudes were the
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real deal all right Cheers yeah that's awesome and thanks for the
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reminder to Craig cuz I remember seeing on the newsfeed I got I've been so busy the military of course I'm on right now that I haven't had a chance to listen to
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it but I would like to I've listened to all your stuff I even listed your book club podcast of listen everything I
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listen to you guys do awesome and I want to and I've threatened to to resurrect
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that book hookup Club podcast and I don't know Ryan if we've talked off air about it but if you've got a book you
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you uh that was turned into a movie that you want to talk about let's let's talk about it because that's one of my
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favorite shows and it's it's it's it's time-consuming cuz you got to read a book watching the movies are ya sitting
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down and reading a two or three hundred page book is pretty hard but I listened
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personally to my diehard episode probably four times it's another episode of my podcasts my podcasting life that
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I'm very very proud of so yeah a big screen book club if you if you're
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looking for something to do it's funny on Twitter every day I see a new thread from somebody and it's got to be a joke
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at this point but like I've you know I'm looking for a new podcast to listen to like it's it just seems like it's a rib
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at this point right with the thousand millions of podcasts that are out there
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yeah yeah that's there's a lot the well is deep the well is deep all right guys
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let's get talking about Stallone today was a big day in Stallone news and Stallone world because he was at the
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Conn Film Festival in France where he unveiled the 4k edition of First Blood
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and also some I guess he did pictures and or some small video clips from the
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Rambo 5 last Blood movie any thoughts first off on that took part his
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unveiling of the 4k first blood are you guys gonna get that when it comes out or you know I got the blu-ray set whenever
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the last Rambo came out I guess 10 years ago at this point and for me that's enough I think it's a good transfer of
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first blood and you know I I'm not gonna claim to have eyes that are good enough
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for 4k grandpa
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you know I honestly Rambo isn't my wheelhouse you know I'm I'm a self-proclaimed rocky
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fanatic which I've been you know my pretty much my whole life I've seen the
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Rambo is a very very small handful of time so you know I don't know if this is
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shocking to any of our fans or viewers or anything but I'm not a big rabble guy
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I'm sorry Matt if anybody's hard this breaks is probably his but you know I'm
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probably not gonna rush out to get it okay I think I am gonna get it
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I probably maybe I'd like Rambo more than you guys the character I love rocky
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in the sense like I'm doing a whole podcast dedicated to him but close second for me I've been to huge fastest
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as a kid of the first blood series and Rambo series I've I saw I saw parts two
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and three in the theaters I remember seeing first blood for the first time as a child and just like blown away by
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Stallone and his stunts and if the fallin on the cliffs and the trees and the sauna of his arm
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I just loved all that stuff as a kid it's the right it was right in my wheelhouse is a young kid and I'm
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looking forward to ramble ramble five last blood so I can't wait for that trailer to drop because boy it's coming
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out September 20th since we should be seeing the trailer soon yeah yeah totally and I got to tell you Doug I'm a
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big Rambo fan I probably I probably have Rambo movies in my personal movie
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collection before I had Rocky movies in my personal collections and I've got a
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proposition for you I don't know if you've ever read the book first blood I have okay but I don't know if you're
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into the idea of rereading it and possibly doing a book to movie comparison for Lincoln book club we
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would love to it's an easy read it's a great I mean I don't mean as an education level it's just it's a great
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quick read where you go through that book very easily it's a great it's a great book by Damon Morrell it really is
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and it's one of those cases where I know Marella's talked about how he thinks the
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movies better than the book and I'm not 100% sure I agree with him I agree with the concept that
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Stallone made an adaptation of that book that was appropriate for the movies and
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that's kind of a different different thing but you know what we'll get into that discussion as I talked about it if
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you're inviting me to podcast with you some more I will 1000% read the book REE watch the
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movie and prepare for a podcast with you absolutely oh did I say Doug before - yeah
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nevermind I think I think it was a open
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invitation to both of us and as per usual this show has become a [ __ ] show yes we're gonna try that's a real and
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yeah it is our brand so of course I do
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want to say that this is a big deal though Stallone being on the world stage
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promoting one of his projects it's a big deal because we live and breathe the
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world of Sly every day right we've got family and friends that know we're sly guys and but this is this is headline
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news and this was on the global level so anytime that a project from Stallone
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gets this kind of exposure it's a good thing and it's ultimately good for the
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long-term health of his franchises mm-hmm I agree yeah I mean this made
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news on my on my Facebook feed independent of our podcasts and on Twitter as well so people are talked to
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sly and the other thing that came up during this he had a kind of a question answer period and he brought up Cobra of
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course the movie the cult favorite Cobra and we won't get into that but he did say here that he was disappointed that
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he never did a sequel that he regrets that he never did a sequel and he is or
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would like to bring it back as a streaming TV series but he did say here
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that he would not be back in it as a character per se
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but bringing out the zombie squad goes I'm long gone but the idea is really good okay so so here's what I want to
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say about this please you guys know that I'm probably one of the top 5 Cobra fans
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that are watching this dis broadcast right now probably I'm one of the like
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Cobra I liked Cobra more than I liked rocky and Rambo for a lot of years Wow
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but I gotta say does anybody watch Cobra and say wow you know what the Cobra
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character I don't really need so much but you know what I want to learn more about that zombie squad
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apparently so I think so you know what the problem is Cobra Kai has created
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this environment where people think they can dust off any 30 year old property put it on as a streaming show and may
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and start counting the money and you know unfortunately it doesn't work like that no and I don't think buts lie at
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least made it clear that him as a character as coal beretti will not be in the streaming t it might be in the
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universe of the Cobra universe but he will not be in it okay now this I'd
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rather see a show about the people run in that grocery store that got robbed at the beginning we're all breaking Matt's
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heart tonight by the way well I love you Matt but ain't gonna happen the way
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you're talking there is no Cobra - okay now here here's something that I found
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the most especially as being the rocky podcast series podcast and fanatic that
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we are he says here and I'm surprised he goes he's not doing
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he has no immediate plans to continue with curry which I thought was great because he had decreed to perfectly the
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character of rocky but he goes on to say now it's just an idea he says but I have a great idea of Rocky he says he finds
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this fella in the country illegally so he's saying that rocky finds a person in the USA illegally and it becomes a whole
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thing says Stallone he says it's like the magician who lost his tricks you've
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seen everything but what can be different rolled him out of the country he's a nut in another world what's what's your
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thoughts on this what's sly saying here what's going on here is this really is he serious man you know in every every
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rocky rocky movie every movie that was titled rocky we've seen rocky fight and
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I thought that that was what defined rocky right I mean Creed was a spin-off
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for all intents and purposes and he trained Adonis Creed which is that's
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fine okay wasn't wasn't a rocky movie but now we're bringing it back to rocky
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and and it's not about rocky now it's about another fighter it's it's a little confusing I don't know like is he
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holding on to to the franchise's holding on to rocky too tight because maybe he sees it's it's really for the first time
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in 40-something years like it's ending it's over for him for the character I I
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don't know I it could I don't know I said it could work on Facebook but I'm not I don't know here's the thing about
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Sloan over his 40 plus year career he's really good at pitching ideas or
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thinking out loud before really having anything in place you remember that after Rambo came out he talked about
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like Rambo versus like a genetically mutated monster which never happened and
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we can probably go back through history and go through all the times that
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Stallone threw something against the wall to see if it would stick and to me this really seems like one of those
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cases where I hate to talk about the law of diminishing returns but I think when
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you were able to have lightning strike twice
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with Rocky Balboa as a comeback for Rocky and then the Creed franchise I just
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think that you don't go to the well too many times and it might be dug like you
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said kind of an example of like you know not wanting to let it go or like the athlete who can never really retire
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they just enjoy doing what they're doing so much so mmm it almost maybe even feels like maybe this is just alone
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keeping the idea of rocky alive even if
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he doesn't really intend to make this this story it's also like kind of the
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curse of the writer right because it's like he's even though he might not be
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like actually writing the wheels are always turning and now you know being in
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front of a forum where he can actually vocalize some things he's like hey here's something I've been working I've
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been spitballing and it's it's probably not I mean like if you're a writer and
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you're constantly your wheels are spinning it's probably better to keep that in a notebook somewhere and not like because once you stop once you put
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that out there now every now now everybody's talking about it yep and now it's either shit-or-get-off-the-pot because you to
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make the movie people are gonna talk about it or you don't make the movie and people gonna be like what the hell was that thing Stallone was talking about a
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couple years back Rocky 7 you know it's I don't know now I'm afraid that the
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discussion is never gonna end yeah that's a that's an excellent point Doug and I never saw like this is just
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the quote from the article so I didn't see his body language or his tone when he said this like it wasn't kind of
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jokingly was it just like a theory was it just the life of rocky beyond the films that he could see happening or is
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this something he's seriously think he could film one day so we'll find out so now there were kind of talked about the
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news of Sly are you guys ready to talk about cliffhanger yeah but Ryan I just
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really want to say that I hope this discussion goes in the opposite
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direction of where I think it's going and I just want to hope you like this
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one really feels lately like you don't like any defend yourself Ryan okay well
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we're gonna get into before we start talking about cliffhanger I just want to give a shout out to all of the slide cast listeners who think that Doug and
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I have taken over sly cast please let me just let me reiterate something here
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myself Ryan have I have my own podcast Doug has his own podcast
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Craig has his own podcast together three podcast hosts have come together to make the Stallone podcast network that's all
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this is so all this episode is gonna be on all three networks so for those who hate my style don't blame Craig just
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blame me but don't stop listening to Craig slide cast because of me you'll come up with other shows they don't have
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me will give you some of them will have me so Beal does he but we love each
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other that's all that matters right so with that being said let's get let's get into Doug you got a bit of a we're gonna try something new here folks this is
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like our seventh film that we reviewed our eighth film we're gonna do a synopsis first because if we always jump
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all over the place so Doug you're gonna lead the audience in the synopsis of cliffhanger for those who have a scene in a long time and or those who haven't
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seen it they can sum up all our discussion okay yeah we jump all over the place and I kind of want to just lay
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the movie out so everybody understands the beginning right through the end it's
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quick I'm not getting into detail but before I even start that I this here in
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America is Memorial Day weekend and we honor all military personnel who have fought and died for the country it's not
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I mean it's an American holiday but you know this goes out to all military veterans and active personnel all around
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the world so I want to raise a glass to everybody cheers and thank you for your service thank you Doug and right now I'm
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actually I'm actually in a military room right now in military base I'm in
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training right now to be a basic training or bootcamp instructor so I'll be yelling that recruits and about three
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weeks you know so then you'll say I'm
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sorry yeah afterwards no we don't apologize not in the middle yellow thommanon say I'm sorry we have a we do
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have a softer we are softer than we used to be even when I went through 16 years ago but anyways thanks Doug
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appreciate that so thank you absolutely 100% all right here we go we got Ranger Gabe Walker who's an
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experienced mountain climber and his girlfriend Jesse are dispatched to rescue their friend Hal and his
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girlfriend Sarah after how suffered a knee injury their mountain climbers right so they're stranded on a peak in
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the Colorado Rockies and as they go to rescue Sarah part of her harness breaks
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over this Canyon and Gabe is able to try to save her but her glove slips and she
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ends up falling to her death so how who is Sarah's girlfriend blames
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Gabe for Sarah's death and Gabe is overcome with guilt and he takes an extended leave from the Rangers so we
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cut to about eight months later Gabe returns to the ranger station to gather his remaining possessions and to
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persuade his girlfriend Jesse to leave with him meanwhile in the skies above a
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US Treasury Department plane is hijacked by a crooked federal agent and that that
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is hauling three cases full of money I think 100 million is the other grand total but the plane crashes during the
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hijack and the money is lost when while they tried to transfer it from the Department of Treasury plane to a
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getaway plane so the this happens over the Rockies so these cases of money are
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scattered the ranger station in the meantime receives a distress call from a
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group of stranded climbers quote-unquote when they find the climbers they discover that it's these these plane
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robbers and it was a ruse so these so Hal and Gav are taken prisoner by former
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military agent operative I'm sorry former military intelligence operative Erik Whalen and several
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mercenaries who need gaben Howells help to locate the cases with the help of beacon locators that are planted within
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the cases this might end up being more confusing knots jumping all over the place it's only been like three minutes
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come on you know keep going all right so so with the help of Gabe or the under
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threat of murder Gabe finds the first case and during
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treating the case the the bad guys try to kill him but they trigger an avalanche which during which they think
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Gabe has died but he hasn't of course its Sylvester Stallone well what what he
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does is he ends up emptying the case of money during throughout the Avalanche so they lost that case so enroute to the
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second case Gabe eats coil into the second one and he takes all the money teases get kweilyn with a note to
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exchange the money for his friend Hal so
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so he's holding the money hostage which he ends up burning in a fire anyway but Gabe ends up killing a few Whelan's
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men who are hunting him and Jesse who found her way up the mountain to meet up with Gabe somehow Gabe kill some guys
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you know kweilyn and his men kill some guys it's some stoners and in you know
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the oh the helicopter pilot Frank the stoner guys like it's I guess we're
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gonna dig into it but poor poor casualties of this you know this ill-fated plane robbery but Gabe finds a
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third case full of money before kweilyn does hal kills one of his captors and
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escapes he finds gabe just as he kills the last henchman but kweilyn kidnaps Jesse in the helicopter and gets away
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gabe agrees to exchange the money for Jesse then shreds the money in a helicopter rotor the copter crashes on
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the side of the mountain but is hanging by a tow cable Gabe and kweilyn have an epic fight on top of the hanging cut
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chopper the chapter falls just as Gabe jumps onto the mountainside and kweilyn is dead that's right that's beautiful
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hey everybody got that episode over I okay so now let's talk about the specs
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of the film this film came out in 1993 26 years ago can you believe it's been 26 years and so the question that I ask
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you guys all the time for this podcast network crossover show is when did you
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first see this and was the theaters and when's the last time you saw it before this recording so for me I did see this
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in the theaters I was 18 years old when it came out and I was so happy that this movie
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came out when it did because this was at a time when even me as an 18 year old fresh to new adults in the world I was
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kind of recognizing that slice the star was slipping just a little bit this is before the yes straight-to-video years
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are coming up around the corner but he hadn't really did the stop from my mumble shoot he did some of those comedy
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shows and this was a return to form as they would say and I remember thinking to myself as an eighteen year old that I
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loved the film I I bought it on VHS what it first came out I bought the
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soundtrack and we'll talk about that and yeah so complete fan of the film at 18
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well it doesn't hold up today were to talk about that so yes Oh in in today's money it costs a
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hundred and we're gonna talk about why but it costs a hundred and twelve million dollars to make if it was made
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today with the inflation and it didn't make however two hundred and seventy
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three million dollars worldwide which is about a hundred and sixty million dollar profit where do you know your numbers
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from well I saw that there was some discrepancies I saw that they said on one site that had made two hundred fifty
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five million worldwide yeah that's why I found on Wikipedia okay which in today's money would be about four hundred so it
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made anywhere between this to say between today's money between three and four hundred millions so definitely a successful yeah that's a that's a
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monster hey I do want to before I talk about my cliffhanger history I just want to give
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a shout out to to my kunda who I think is still watching us live on Facebook
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right now and you know Mike you're cracking me up and if you have the ability to turn on a camera and join us
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I think Ryan and Doug would both be on board for it so chime in if you're able
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to do that yeah Mike let me know I can send you I can send you the invite via
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via Facebook if you want easier you just jump right in so cliffhanger for me I I
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acutely remember seeing this movie in theaters because my brother and his wife
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at the time went to go see Jurassic Park on open
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night and it was in the error when movies actually sold out so we get to
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the theater and Jurassic Park was sold out so we saw instead which was which is
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the movie I would have seen eventually so I I do that's when I saw it it is you
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know first theatrical run and we've covered this on on the slide past and
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one of it's a damn good slide cast episode because I listened to it recently in preparation for this and so
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that was probably the last time I've watched the movie real quick yeah I'm
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just looking at the chat on facebook under Lindsay Greenberg who's my wife's feed I think my son hijacked her
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facebook profile it says it is my dad
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wondering about that I knew that was your wife's account and I was wondering it okay so your son Kimo see that's my
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dad on TV yeah with somebody I know he's
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not listening but you might be uh you might be listen now my kid at home
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recently where I think it was on the mighty mix page somebody posted a a back
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tattoo that's like a deep cut for our
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Rocky fans who's like you told them to stop where he is like nobody needs a tommy gun tattoo yeah yeah no need to go
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any further okay so I don't know I don't know if Mike heard that request I'm just
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gonna send him a cinema message so go ahead and talk about your first time
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seeing the film and when was the last time you saw it before this recording well this was one of the few I hate
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saying it but one of the few Stallone films that I actually did see in the theater back in 90 whatever I was just a kid I
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was in 93 I was 15 so so would have had
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to be in with my parents or maybe they dropped us off I don't know it teenagers they drop you awfully
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your friends right and you go to see a film yeah I've heard of such things happening sure yeah you know it's not
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that vivid of a memory but I do remember seeing this in the theaters and it was
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like in the 90s action movies man like you know you had diehard fan damn was
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huge at that points that Arnold Schwarzenegger he was putting out some good stuff it was like 90s Action Man
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right I don't I don't think it got we always talk about 80 80s movies but I
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mean like this stuff was that this stuff was right in my wheelhouse as a stupid teenage kid you know I that though I
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didn't see it for a long time a couple years and I don't remember I don't
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remember it being as graphic and bloody as it was when I rewatched it this past
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week for the podcast but I don't know like I loved it back then because it was
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like a great 90s action film and I don't know it's one of those that kind of gets lost in the shuffle right when you talk
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about great action films you don't hear a lot of people mentioning cliffhanger but I think it belongs like um they have
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made other mountain-climbing action films the terminal is nocturnal its
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terminal velocity one journal velocity they made it this is this is probably when it comes to mountain climbing
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movies I think this is the best one yeah totally totally they haven't made a ton of these like that was my point Lee and
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I mean I don't think he gets you could get better than this it's everything you
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can possibly want from an action film cheesy dialogue great graphic death scenes lots of lots of blood well
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speaking of the blood and now we're just gonna be done our synopsis we can just go all over the place now we can feel free to do that it's so much better
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about it now yeah good good so we don't excuse ourselves every time we do yeah this movie is quite gory when it comes to the
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its it's surprising how gory it is and here's someone like me and I'm sure like you guys I watched Game of Thrones and I
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watched all these like watched like Spartacus and all that but there's
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something really visceral about the violence in this cliffhanger movie because it's it's oddly like that I
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wouldn't say it seems out of place but it almost seems out of place like the the the gunshot violence is like
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exploding chest wound and the in the blood in people's mouths I don't know
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how many times people had blood coming out of their mouths when they were punched and kick yeah
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people were punched and kicked and beaten to a pulp it's it's like a real solid violent movie also this movie was
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originally rated nc-17 for violence oh well I'm not surprised there is a rough
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cut I try to find it on the internet and he used to exist but I couldn't find it but there is a rough cut available of an
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nc-17 cut of the violent cliffhanger and I would love to see that because I like
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violence I don't like I mean obviously movies the idea like the Year like Robocop that's almost a MC 17 that kind
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of lies oh yeah you know but it's so good and I find it interesting I wonder what the discussion was between Renny
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Harlin the director and Stallone of like like how violent cuz this is 93 it
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wasn't that common to make these kind of movies what are your thoughts it was more common than it is today
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yeah maybe maybe the completes the Marvel movies and stuff yeah it seems like nowadays people even horror movies
32:51
come out with the pg-13 rating which just always makes me scratch my head so
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I thought the the action and the violin is violence in this movie was was great
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and I it's it's so good and we talked about this in detail on the slide cast
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episode but it's so good to see practical special effects and Mike
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could've talked about like the blood bags so when somebody gets shot nowadays you'll know
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most movies nowadays it'll just be like a CG oh they'll put a little blood spurt but here like somebody actually has
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blood packs on their chest and somebody hit a button that detonated them and I mean you you feel that and and and it
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really adds the experience and I think this movie is a very visceral movie and
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that violence sort of definitely helped the overall feel of the movie and I also
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think it was the Renny Harlin it was those European sensibilities as a filmmaker hmm
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yeah it's definitely a product of its time because you can make this exact
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movie today without what that blood without the the gory violence without the guy getting shoved up against a
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stalactite that pierces through his chest like you can do this movie today
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and we'll have like all the you know the tropes of an action movie without the gore I guess but that was it's a product
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at a time right so well I have initiated it for that you brought up a great point we forgot the Menace they are gonna redo
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this film today's time what yeah with like a female lead and Jason Momoa was
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involved or something your dog you're being facetious yeah because well I did read that it was
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one of my notes but um well no and I think this ties into exactly what we're talking about cuz I guarantee you the
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remake of I don't care about them do remakes I'm not one of those people gets all hoity-toity about it like if it's a
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good film it's a good film like if it turns out being a good film great if it's old female cast great if it's great
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I don't care if it's female whatever gender fluid fluid gender Lee I don't
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care as long as it's a good film but that being said I think Jason Momoa I got a feeling he's gonna probably play
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the bad guy I would I was just thinking that same thing yeah I'm probably very because no female cast I would suspect
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the old Gilmore cast or probably like you know the climbers the good people and and I know where we're at least Doug
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did the synopsis here but I feel like we're gonna jump all over the place and I want to talk about the opening sequence of this you know yes but I do
35:32
gotta say that one of the great things about this movie is the the main villain kweilyn
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played by John Lithgow is such a guy that you don't think is gonna match up with Stallone and that's what makes that
35:46
villain so great and a lot of Bond villains had that sort of trait too and and the one thing I
35:52
think modern movie sort of just fail at is giving us those regular looking
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villains that are still able to be a worthy adversary to our heroes well let
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me ask you this crank did you know who was originally cast to play kweilyn I do not Doug why don't you tell me it's kind
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of it's interesting that you brought that up because I want to pose this question to you Christopher Walken was
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originally signed on to play quailing do you think you would have done a comparable job caliph Gao I think so I
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think it would have been a different performance yet I think those two guys are they kind of drive in the same Lane
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so I think it would have worked I mean I can I can definitely see it I think
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without having the benefit of seeing Christopher Walken's take on it I think John Lithgow did the best job that
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anybody could have done with that character I thought he nailed it I really have liked Lithgow in this Walken
36:52
would have definitely played it differently he the Walken plays a great bad guy they'll get me wrong a he
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wouldn't have put on a British accent for sure he would have just done his New York gangster kind of routine which
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totally would have worked I mean it's walking you can't go wrong with him but III do like Lithgow I think
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Lithgow nailed it also Ronny Harlan's first choice wasn't cast but Renny Harlin's idea was David
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Bowie as kweilyn which I think would have flopped yes awful I think David
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Bowie was like no I'm not spending the winter up in the Italian Alps find somebody else I'm gonna hang out in my
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mansion in Beverly Hills with a mod so crank I should should respond to your
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initial query and maybe our listeners wondering does this movie hold up for Ryan and/or Aziz is gonna
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crap all over like some of the other films I still love this film I love this
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film no worries there and when I was watching that was watched I was actually watching a Blueway transfer on my
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computer and it is a nice looking film there's some really great shot some
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great mountain shots some great we're talk about the practical shots of this film there's some really scary stunts
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there there's some stunts even with today's understanding of practical effects and stuff there's some stunt
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work in this film we're like where's that guy falling from you don't see stunts like that anymore and no this is
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Italy what the with the Italian Alps doubling for Colorado and I gotta say
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we've already talked about Renny Harlin's other Stallone entry driven and
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all about what a disaster that was and how incompetent it seemed at points with
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CGI tires and the whatnot and quarters but it almost feels like a completely
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different filmmaker here this is Renny Harlin arguably at the peak of his
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powers as a director giving a [ __ ] and
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and it shows and yeah I mean there's this film is is a film that you you
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mentioned that the high budget and there's a lot of reasons for it but all the money spent you see on the screen
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I'll say this if I have a bad word to say about it it's that the sets feel
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like sets but the odd location stuff the cinematography is beautiful yes yeah it
39:25
can work there's that one fight scene with Leone which is clearly on a
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soundstage with you know a cave yeah there's a bunch of a man that's not the
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only one when you're when you're on a on a soundstage it or even I don't know
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like the nighttime the nighttime scene when we were and when they find the second case like that is a totally asset
39:52
and it feels like it yeah the bridge the bridge where where where game faces off
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with Travers is a set and it feels like it okay so yeah I mean this I love the film
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and it was fun and I had a great time and I'd be happy to watch this film again any time but it's but seeing it
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now 26 years later or even 20 years removed from last time I saw there was a lot of flaws in this film that became
40:18
glaringly obvious just maybe over time it like I said I saw in the blu-ray transfer so there's things that were
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more details such as the sets were more detailed but I do want to talk about the
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were top of the beginning start go back to the beginning I do want to say one thing about that though Ryan and and
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this is a no by no means am I trying to make excuses for the film but I will say
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it's charming in this day and age mm-hmm just see like as as bad as we think
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those sets might look there was a lot of artistry involved with creating those
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sets and nowadays they would put some snow on the ground and put them in front of a green screen and then just CGI the
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whole thing so you know it it's it's clear when they transduced into sets but
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as a viewer I at least appreciate the artistry and you know I mean we all grew
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up in in errors where we able to watch films for the first time before CG and a
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lot of times you knew that stuff was fake but you knew that there were filmmakers involved that were making it
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happen and I think that goes a long way kind of looks like The Godfather petting
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his kitty right now it's kitty it's a puppy I know it is but everybody it's up
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freedom door opens the movie opens with
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a quite frankly and like I said I bought the soundtrack for reason with a beautiful score by Trevor Jones one of
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my favorite film composers from the 90s he also did the last of Mohicans and there's some of the similar things from last week is actually in this film but
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thoughts on the score guy said well actually my first thought was sprawling music for sprawling mountain mountains
42:07
and it feels like a real film yeah I thought it was beautiful I thought the score was beautiful and if
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the film very well it's not it's not memorable as far as movie scores goes
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like nobody says all that cliffhanger score no Ryan any difference but I
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thought it I thought the sprawling music to fit the the sets perfectly and it's
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you know in the especially in the opening I know we're gonna we're gonna
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talk about the opening a little bit but the the the music and like the
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interaction with the characters right right in the opening give you that uneasy feeling that something
42:55
immediately is gonna go wrong because it's too happy there's too much joking around going on
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the music is too epic to start a movie that you write immediately have that
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uneasy feeling agreed and I love how the helicopter comes in the sprawling music
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and we see we hear the radio chatter that there's some hikers in distress and
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there's you know the nice banter between what's the name of the female character
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boy yes Cathy Jesse and played by Janine Turner is that right I mean yep she was from that show
43:36
Northern Exposure I think might have been a King Twin Peaks no Northern
43:42
Exposure so must be Canadian show I my dad used to love it I remember he he was never a
43:49
big Sylvester Stallone fan when he was my age and younger he always asked when I was a kid and but he said I like I
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like cliffhanger he remember him saying because they had had her from the his favorite show but that being said the
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shot of Michael Rooker's character he'll and his girlfriend sorry yeah Michael workers girlfriend
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forget her Oh Sarah yep so Sarah and held these are the two hikers but they're friends of gay played by
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Stallone and I already forgot her name again Jess Kurt Jesse jeez I write that down
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move it right now so don't forget so but yeah yeah thanks Hey look I took a lot of notes but I forgot to write down
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the character's name but anyway for that game that's there's no Gabe you can't
44:37
forget Gabe has such a great Stallone character named Walter Gabe Walker so it
44:42
was the scene of Michael Rooker and who plays hell with the ax smoke signal
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that's a great shot are they not really on that peak it it looks incredibly high
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and it looks like there's no CGI here so what are your thoughts on that you know the scene I'm talking about yeah I mean
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how much would it take to for a helicopter to just drop them down on the
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top of a peak for a quick shot and then pull them back up I don't know obviously
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it's I up there I don't know everybody especially that the actors that are on
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the mountains I mean stomach you know off to the side because they do their own things but the
45:23
actors that are actually out there they have to be harnessed out their ass right well I actually watched Lieber not on
45:29
YouTube is the 20 minute documentary of the film the filmmaking and against this
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Stallone was about 46 we made this film and the stuntman said that he did 80% of
45:42
those stunts that they were just on standby wait who did 80% of stunts
45:48
flying this fly say that no the stuntmen did oh wow well and the other thing
45:56
that's remarkable about that is Stallone has a fear of heights yeah so to make a mountain climbing
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movie and do the amount of physical work that he did really shows what a what a
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professional he is yeah and I heard that this was one of his ways of getting over
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his fear Heights was demanding to do a lot of the work himself exactly and so
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yeah this was a slide talking out of I know you'd think so but even even if he
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did half the stunts whatever but this time and said that he did 80% and they also interviewed the editor and the
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editor was showing the scene where Stallone is on the mountain and the editor was saying that's all Stallone
46:37
and there was many shots like that what you see is what you get we have we have to give due respect and notice
46:45
to stolens thumb man wolfgang Coolidge yep who was at the time widely regarded as
46:52
one of the most daring stunt men of all time no it was the wounds climbing
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double and ironically he was killed in a car accident after the filming of this
47:05
incredible all of the incredible stunts in this movie that he did without
47:10
harnesses and whatnot survived this but then was killed in a car accident shortly after fest weird it'd be like a
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stunt double from driven dying in a mountain climax another stunt performer
47:26
not related to this movie but da Robinson who was like did some tremendous tremendous high falls in his
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career and developed some technology that's probably still do you being utilized today and he died on the set of
47:40
a movie but after performing a stunt and it's so amazing to think that these guys
47:46
do these amazing stunts that bring them within seemingly inches of their lives
47:52
yeah and it just a fluke accident can take them from us and yeah it's but we
47:59
have this man's work on the screen that we can admire and remember him for speaking of stunts this is just segue
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into the best stunt in the film and one of the best stunts in film was the personnel transfer from plane to plane
48:13
where they had that guy on the cable it don't get us yeah it's a real stunt it
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in guinness as the most expensive stunt ever filmed yes
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1 million dollars a cost and they couldn't film it in a certain place because it they wouldn't insure it
48:30
that's right well did you hear did you read that's the loan paid out of his own
48:38
pocket for the stunt to be performed because the insurance company would insure it hey Doug you're laughing when
48:45
he said that can I just say something here I read on Wikipedia I don't know who no
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no no but I mean though it was also an IMDb's trivia as well here's the but you
48:57
because he also made a claim like what I said this Stallone did 80% the stunt you like this fall and say that are we are
49:03
we kind of like digging at him a little bit that he embellishes some stuff is that what we're hinting at or like what
49:09
do you what do you how I was you laughing I don't know I think I might be at that point that's Hollywood for you
49:14
though we've all heard the stories that sort of start small and then they become
49:20
sort of legendary so everything you hear you have to take with a grain of salt because there's a there's a speaking of
49:27
Stallone news the turtle day was the other day a couple days ago national turtle day and I won't say the source do
49:35
not guess any names please because you both know who I'm talking about but there is somebody I messaged this person
49:43
personally I'd be careful don't say is their name his or her name I messaged them and said hey what's the story
49:49
behind Stallone and the turtles from Rocky is it true this person's response
49:55
was I'm not allowed to say or I can say so it kind of ties in with why aren't we
50:02
always getting these weird like like weird vibes right yeah it's always he's
50:08
weird like and like I said I love sly he's my favorite action hero I've
50:13
watched all his films they all the actors in the world I follow his career the most doesn't make him a perfect
50:19
individual it just means I've enjoyed his career the most I just wonder how much like he says embellish it was it
50:25
the same Turtles or not you know but this person who seems to know and I won't say who just kind of said yeah it
50:34
might not be the Turtles anyways they live turtles live to be like 6070 from
50:42
what I read right night of turtles nobody's questioning the ability of turtles to age to see those turtles in
50:52
that picture it might not be the turtles from the film that's all I do gotta say this don't we see cuffing link in Rocky
50:59
Balboa but as sure it's the same shell pattern from
51:05
part one no but what I'm saying is in in Rocky Balboa it's not the same turtles
51:11
that we saw in the picture that sly posted recently they're much smaller Turtles uh-oh yeah I don't know I'm so
51:18
confused there's a turtle conspiracy why don't you say you'd think that if he really still had those turtles he would
51:24
have used them on in Rocky Balboa you think so you think so so I'm confused
51:32
maybe they were stunt turtles I don't know maybe they were performing there some high-impact stunts in Rocky Balboa
51:40
all right so how's girlfriend is a rookie mountain climber they made it they made it clear that she was an
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inexperienced climber but you see how high she was that's one that was one of
51:53
my gripes about that whole thing they they make a point to say how inexperienced she was but she climbed
51:58
all the way up to the top of that spire the tower whatever they call it it's in
52:04
an inexperienced mountain climber can get that high and then all of a sudden gets scared well she was scared but the
52:10
problem was is he had injured his leg so he couldn't help her down yeah I will say this I'm sure we've bought we've all
52:16
been in situations where you've tagged along with people to do something and realized you did you got way in over
52:22
your head but through sheer force of will you you've gone through it and and
52:32
that's kind of my take away from this is she was dating a serious climber and you
52:38
know she probably went along with him a lot and she probably had real basic climbing skills but also the situation
52:45
she was in she sort of rose to it and and and and and and pulled through but
52:52
you know in the end it didn't really it didn't really get her all the way to
52:57
safety so let's let's talk about then the so they set up the helicopter on one
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side of the route like the huge space between the two mountain peaks they got this repelling I don't know the terminology but this line and she gets
53:11
hooked in and sorry first Hal goes first with the injured he goes across and then she's hooked us
53:18
trapped in and Gabe is telling Sarah hey it'll be fine you know just hand over hand look at me
53:24
go across and she gets halfway across and the buckle snaps and breaks and
53:31
sidenote the company that makes these this equipment said in the end of the film that just FYI this will not happen
53:38
with our equipment yeah they they really had the big a disclaimer this was part of the film our our equipment is perfect
53:45
yeah well here's the thing I'm funny enough guys I actually just repelled two days ago here on this on the military
53:52
based on my mom because the recruits have to do some rappel work so I had to go up a 35 foot wall and rappel down
53:58
like sly I have I'm petrified of height so when I was up there I'm not gonna lie
54:03
to you I was scared you know like I could be all tough and bravado here but I wasn't with the instructor up there in
54:09
the rappel tower and I was harnessed in with all this like incredible safety equipment and I had to go lean backwards
54:14
like so you had to go backwards like a 90 degrees and walk down the wall and I was terrified and watching this film I
54:22
again I could I was putting myself in this girl's position of going across that ravine with that cable line it
54:27
would be terrifying and so here's the here's the thing though so she gets halfway through she's hanging on to her
54:33
straps she's hanging on for dear life so she doesn't fall down to her death 5,000 feet below I can't believe she climbed
54:38
that but anyways then there's some confusion on the other side Sarah's
54:45
boyfriend in Hell saying I'll put my harness on and go get her and then Gabe
54:50
says there's not enough time I'm just gonna go get her and then there's some talk later in the film there was too
54:55
much weight on the line so help me know what how was hell supposed to get across there without adding extra weight I
55:02
don't know what the problem was why I was so mad about what Gabe did because we should say the girl fell to her death
55:09
that Gabe was holding onto her and he got to her but it's it's nearly impossible to pulse of it up with your
55:15
own arm strength and she felt she felt she felt her death but what was the problem that happened well I think
55:21
ultimately al as a character had to blame somebody because he dealt with
55:28
this law I mean we can only imagine what that loss feels like especially to be as
55:34
powerless as he was and that's one of the best things about this movie is it
55:40
takes the time to set up this relationship I mean they very easily
55:46
could have made this movie where we didn't have all this backstory but this
55:54
extra little 12 I think it's 12 minutes before we get to the opening credits really helps drive this movie through
56:03
and I think it's really important that we had a fractured friendship that that
56:11
sort of starts off this film and I do think it's frustration on house part
56:17
more than anything else and it's got to be really hard to not blame somebody I
56:23
originally yeah I recognized that he was placing blame and anger on Gabe but I'm
56:29
just I'm actually just confused about what the issue was what the argument was that was one of my main questions like
56:35
what Gabe put himself out there to go rescue this woman and they put what are
56:42
the alternatives like what is the other option yeah like what what else could have been
56:48
done maybe another op yeah the only thing I could gather was there was mention of weight on the line but that
56:54
doesn't make sense in what Hal's he's a bigger Michael workers a bigger guidance to loan so the how would have
57:01
added the same amount of weight to the line and he still didn't have his equipment he already took off his equipment and that's when that's why
57:07
Gabe said there's no time there's no time Ivan I'm ready to go I'm going there now and house freaking out like no
57:13
no no like well we're gonna do she's just gonna hang there there's no option other than that get to summarize get to
57:19
her so yeah it was kind of I guess it a better reckoning could have maybe
57:24
explained that the mechanics of the equipment or something if there was a
57:30
second option that Gabe bypassed to risk
57:35
to risk both his and her life and then she ended up dying I can see that being
57:41
more of a Crocs in that but I mean that was the
57:47
only option that was the only option in fact there wasn't the weight had nothing to do with it she was grip of the
57:53
harness just as Gabe got out there so whether or not Gabe or Hal or whoever
58:01
went out there unless they they they brought in a basket from him above on another helicopter she was gonna fall
58:09
anyway she was falling she was going to fall no matter who went out there no matter how much weight was on the line
58:16
she was falling yeah let's uh let's talk about how harrowing that sequence
58:21
actually is that's a really effective scene I've seen the many times I know that she's gonna fall yeah her scream
58:28
the actress who's doing this in her panic was well acted and when Stallone
58:33
or Gabe says you're you know she goes I don't want to die I don't want to die think that panic felt real and when he
58:39
does that you're not gonna die it was old it was actually to me some
58:45
incredible acting I felt stressed out watching I know how you guys felt but this is a very harrowing scene and then
58:51
when you get the the wide shot where you actually see the fall that a stud performer did like yes where's this
58:59
person falling to yeah alright you hope that's too much of a
59:07
freefall I think on the on the sly cast we talked about she was somehow tethered
59:12
to something but just remarkable I mean it really is a tense scene and I don't
59:19
know if you guys remember the Ace Ventura pet detective sequel it parodies
59:25
this whole opening sequence which kind of shows how much of an impact it had
59:30
and and also the fact that it was parodied for another movie yet this this
59:38
this opening really really solidifies
59:43
what happens in the rest of the movie I think it adds so much weight to the film
59:48
and and also people talked about this when they responded to us when we got listener feedback on cliffhanger
59:53
nobody was used to seeing Stallone not save people and that was a
1:00:00
legitimate shock for people because you watch this movie not knowing anything the first time you assume he's gonna
1:00:07
save the day and then he does it and that really really shook a lot of
1:00:12
people and it puts you off balance for the rest of the movie yeah that's great yeah I mean it was parodied for comedy
1:00:19
in an Ace Ventura and also spy hard from what I found I remember that scene but
1:00:25
but like you said Craig it shows you how much of a classic scene this is and I
1:00:32
tell you knowing what's gonna happen I'm watching it and I'm still on the edge of my seat say oh my god I can't believe
1:00:39
what's about to happen even though you know what's gonna happen right it's a great sequence it's a harrowing 'death
1:00:45
sequence that happens in the first 10 minutes of film and it really sets the mood of the film the int and again there's a lot of shots in this film of
1:00:53
cliffs and like boy this movie's called cliffhanger and it really if there's a
1:00:59
lot of like scary hight shots I mean the the actors and the stunt doubles really
1:01:04
put themselves out there to provide a very thrilling not too crazy action
1:01:11
movie let's get into she falls and then
1:01:18
basically it goes to cuts to eight months later which I thought was great that they did in eight months later
1:01:23
because this is something should have done for Rocky five I don't know why
1:01:29
they or one thing Rocky was missing like I understand so easy I jump eight months of pass and we can
1:01:37
just assume so when when Gabe shows up to go back to know here's the thing they weren't clear were the husband and wife
1:01:43
or the boyfriend a girlfriend with the fiance's because Stella's character Gabe you actually had a ring on his wedding
1:01:49
finger there hmm I read that in the goofs on IMDB yeah it
1:01:55
has a ring on his wedding finger but they weren't married so am I just was he married in that time in real life that's
1:02:02
why cast episode Mike referenced that ring I believe it's like a agree
1:02:10
ring or something and and Mike refuse that's the was wearing that a lot in at
1:02:17
the time and you can actually see it in other movies as well okay interesting
1:02:23
okay so but in the film I know Wikipedia said they were boyfriend and girlfriend but the way they were even talking is
1:02:29
like you know it's critical relationship right Nate was there yeah they were
1:02:34
definitely in a in a committed relationship well this it's interesting on how he's
1:02:39
hasn't spoken to her name was that's uh yeah like what happens after the the
1:02:46
funeral he disappears and that's it guys do you want this to be a two hour and 20 minute movie like driven oh no wait you
1:02:56
mean I'd be perfectly happy are you talking about us so I thought you talked about our recording you're talking about
1:03:02
too much explanation or something yeah too much exposition oh you're right here
1:03:07
no like the eight month time jump is perfect know that here's the thing about
1:03:12
this film this film was an hour with the credits an hour in 52 minutes but I was
1:03:17
not bored at all hmm like I actually every scene was fun everything was good
1:03:23
even the part slate like the action didn't start until like other that gave you call the death scene and an action
1:03:29
sequence it's really not the first case that the that Gabe goes to collect for
1:03:35
the terrorists that's actually the first real piece of action that we see like as
1:03:40
far as the gunfire and avalanche comes down and well and that's what makes that the opening scene doubly effective
1:03:47
because it does two things it sets it sets the tone right out of the gate but
1:03:53
it also gives us an action scene because we're not gonna get another one for a long a long time I also do want to shout
1:04:01
out right now - Mike Valverde who is pretty active on our Facebook live right now and I'm catching the comments every
1:04:09
once in a while and appreciate you watching this live it it feels good to
1:04:15
know there's people there on the other the other end yeah thanks Mike Mike belvera days yeah
1:04:20
he's doing great and again Molloy of the I must break this podcast
1:04:26
podcast that's all about Dolph longer and he said the cliffhanger is notable
1:04:31
because it's the film that brought slide back to the action genre after a string of I'm gonna add failed comedies oh did
1:04:41
we get one of those already yeah stop her my mumbles - hey yeah no kidding
1:04:47
okay sorry we thought we still haven't done a Oscar yet maybe we do that next
1:04:53
only we took it out of the fans hands
1:05:00
yeah we should let their listeners know that we did not put this episode up for
1:05:05
a vote because we were tired of covering dumpster fires this is this is a much more enjoyable experience to both watch
1:05:10
and talk about then stop from I'm almost shoot or driven driven has to be the worst movie ever recovered I love how
1:05:18
you melted down over driven it's one of my favorite moments in Stallone land and
1:05:24
which is crazy because both Stallone and Renny Harlin the director worked here on cliffhanger the fact that they could do
1:05:30
this film and then just two sides of the
1:05:36
coin see what happens when you get it I don't I don't want to get into the the whole writing argument because I mean
1:05:44
stolen wasn't the principal screenwriter on this right but you know what happened with this film with the writing credits
1:05:50
right it was a mountain-climber who pitched this idea and then a couple years later he saw that this movie was
1:05:58
in development and went hey that's the story I pitched and they said oh here's a bunch of money and then a screenwriter
1:06:05
had took in a pass at it and from everything I've been able to find out and Ryan this might have changed since I
1:06:10
did my research for cliffhanger but this is a script that Sloan prot got and then
1:06:16
reworked yeah so it was an idea or premise by I don't the name written down but like you're saying a premise by
1:06:22
somebody else and then a couple lawyers came and said look this guy brought this stuff before and the other individual
1:06:29
who's got the screenplay credit stole it but the movie's CEO just basically said look we'll give him a writing credit and
1:06:35
money like an almost like of course settlement and the other guy that pretty much stole the premise still
1:06:40
gets credit for the film for a story and then Stallone gets a screenplay so he
1:06:46
probably did obviously the action sequences stuff and dialogue and choreography I think if I may and I'm
1:06:52
gonna make your editing job a lot harder Ryan because I know you like to drop in sound bites here why do I want to say
1:07:01
that most of the cheesy 90s dialogue is credited as the lomez it is amazing oh
1:07:07
there's too many rules we're gonna talk about quail in here well play about John let's go before you
1:07:13
even get the kweilyn when he's talking to Jesse in front of the the cabin
1:07:18
there's a ton of it there's a ton of great dialog how about when she says
1:07:23
when he says you don't understand she's I don't know whether to hate you or love you but I understand you hey yeah there
1:07:31
was some really bad yeah I'll insert that little lover's quarrel because that argument was so weird it was a very no
1:07:37
it was that there are I wrote down a bunch it was beautifully shot mind you
1:07:43
and it's beautiful scenery but the the dialogue didn't make sense it was kind
1:07:48
of a weird argument but a kweilyn I want say this but John Lithgow scared her speaking of that cheesy what his whole
1:07:54
dialogue is one-liners everything he says is the one-liner like he can you mention communicate with
1:08:00
his kind everything it's like okay dude I know you're the bad guy but why does
1:08:05
every line have to be the one liner like every line and they're all great but this is like you never forget a normal
1:08:11
conversation out of them you can't and he's he's such a bad guy that every
1:08:17
thing that he says has some some venom behind it did we lose Craig again did we look he's
1:08:27
got frozen face again all right so we're
1:08:38
here we are where are we the plane crash you okay well avoid well we we kind of
1:08:46
just clasped over the out the the stunt from Simon crane he the one in the individual Simon
1:08:51
Craney did that one alone stunts it was actually credited in the film which was weird you don't ever see that in the
1:08:56
films where in the credits they actually specifically say this one stump was
1:09:02
performed by this individual and that was Simon Crane who went from plane to plane in that opening sequence and that
1:09:08
was just an him shimmying down that line to the plane to plane I had no safety
1:09:14
equipment by the way no camera trickery yeah and unless it unless the
1:09:20
information has changed she was paid a million dollars to do that stunt all
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you'd have to pay me a lot more I would I've died yeah that's incredible
1:09:31
well done as we're supposed to believe that it was done by Richard Travis
1:09:37
Travers the US secretary agent played by Rex Lynn not a chance
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[Laughter] what is this guy I've seen this guy in a
1:09:51
million things but oh he's great he is pitch perfect casting but that big hand
1:09:58
hand broom moustache yeah well the guy that played Travers he's great he's very in this film in fact he's almost
1:10:05
comparable to Jonathan I love how they hate each other that was a great little like that's great writing actually no
1:10:10
but give credit maybe give credit the slide for that for that the two bad guys hate each other that's yeah that's
1:10:17
clever and it's on right that they hated each other - yeah it's like a three-way kind of just just spewing hatred one
1:10:24
another it just occurred to me Gabe and how they hate each other but they made it man's but they are the good guys and
1:10:31
then even the bad guys hate each other so this is weird like relationship issues amongst both of good and the bad
1:10:36
people all right any more comment about that stunt it was performed 14,000 feet
1:10:42
in the air the guy traverses a line from one plane to another it is incredible a
1:10:51
million dollars really doesn't scratch the surface of what that guy deserves
1:10:57
I've known never there's that in that sorry I start that again in that sequencer is that good
1:11:04
FBI agent was there along for the ride he give this guy credit this sky and a
1:11:10
shirt and tie he with his machine gun taking down the enemy plane he's the one that she made all this possible
1:11:16
he's you know he went like full rambo-style there outside the one plane before he got blown up but he like
1:11:22
almost single-handedly took out all the bad guys with his semi-automatic rifle from my 200 feet away in the air and did
1:11:29
he not have that big eye look like if you don't if you've never seen this movie and you're expecting somebody to
1:11:34
hijack a plane you're thinking it's that guy right just because of of his his look yeah right so he's so credit to
1:11:44
that guy didn't young some hero there that though loud without him interfering those cases would have made it to the
1:11:51
plane and the bad guys would have gotten away but he actually interfered enough that allowed or made the bad guys go
1:11:57
back to look for the cases sports the mouse could our homie did not make it yeah he died with the plane speaking of
1:12:06
the cases each of each of them had a GPS tracker on them and there was a sequence in the movie where Gabe and Jesse
1:12:14
they're going for the case one of the cases they find the case without a GPS
1:12:20
before the bad guys who had a head start with the GPS found it do you do it there's a lot of like time jump issues
1:12:28
in this movie where people end up in spaces before the other person I know it's it pushes the clock but there's
1:12:33
like Jesse for example she's in the cabin that Gabe's character's going to but she left way before he left for that
1:12:43
same cabin as far as the trackers I guess we're supposed to believe that
1:12:48
when he when they showed him the original locations he memorized them yeah he knows those mountains so well
1:12:55
that's what I thought you'd say that's what I thought at the same time is like there's it's a briefcase in the snow
1:13:00
that was I take away too that's the only explanation that's what
1:13:05
I was thinking in the master tracker he's a manager exactly I did like the
1:13:12
plane crash though that we're talking about the practical effects even though it wasn't CGI I kind of get a kind of practical effects I don't know
1:13:17
why it's kind of fun to watch the mini models okay yeah totally a model yeah I think that's the thing it's a lot easier
1:13:25
to appreciate the artistry of practical effects then even when you're watching
1:13:31
it you know that it's it it's a miniature but that miniature is actually
1:13:37
crashing into little miniature trees whereas nowadays when we watch a movie or I see it and our brain processes it
1:13:45
but we know it's fake we know there's nothing real about that moment and I
1:13:50
think that's what makes practical effects work so much even when you can
1:13:55
see it's a little model agreed what time
1:14:02
they're already at the hour and hour and 14 minutes okay that's okay bitching
1:14:08
about rocky training an illegal immigrant no it's like five minutes and I think I think our listeners like that
1:14:14
kind of talk too well talks about some of the things that didn't work what didn't work for me in this film was the
1:14:21
what there's just two bad guys in particular that I I hated since day one and I hate just as much today trying out
1:14:29
the striker okay let's just okay number one I love
1:14:34
John Lithgow and Travers they were great bad guys well cast well acted great dialogue with a kicker the striker was
1:14:41
so annoying it was a glance he was a
1:14:46
bloody good striker and I've got to insert all that audio crap in I hate
1:14:53
that hole so he this guy's beating up Michael Rooker's character hell and he's dialoguing playing soccer
1:15:01
and he's using Hal as a soccer ball about to kick him off the cliff granted is a great death scene that Hal gave me
1:15:08
oh you know when he yells out season's over and he shot guts a shotgun in the chest over the clip that's a great
1:15:14
sequence it's like it's the guys only scene and you keep narrating you know beating
1:15:21
the crap out of Rooker a towel like it's a commentary in the soccer game
1:15:28
but it's it's so forced mm-hmm all of
1:15:33
Italy he's lining up his kick you know everything is just it's just disjointed
1:15:38
I don't know I hated that moment I hated that guy yeah yeah well who else bother you or
1:15:45
Ryan before I get into my comments I know exactly who he's talking about okay you know this is interesting because
1:15:52
before I get into this guy well I'll just say from memory cuz I I forget his
1:15:57
name but he played I think his name is his name is Leon a real life so he's a 1
1:16:02
he's a one Nate like a one-word name in real life like he's credit on yeah it's
1:16:09
before he played the statue that comes to life in Madonna's like a prayer video
1:16:15
Jesus oh okay his character and his
1:16:24
dialogue and his behavior in this film I just I found it's you he's so I know
1:16:32
what the word is but it's just like annoying is not strong enough word like I was just like wow it's yeah it's it's
1:16:41
a really terrible bad guy and his acting is horrible and apparently the producers love them that he got hired right away
1:16:47
after on his first audition he was coming on he's that is like a prayer man
1:16:53
a hot commodity he's an that's one of my Suman
1:16:58
what do you have what do you I'm not seeing it very well I just did not like him and I when he got skewered by the
1:17:05
overhang stone pinnacle flag I was so happy or stalagmite I don't remember
1:17:12
where like time like tight okay what do you guys have thoughts on him did you
1:17:18
like him as a bad guy I like the bad guys overall mainly
1:17:24
because you don't tend to see a diverse
1:17:30
group of bad guys anymore it feels like nowadays the casting directors just put
1:17:36
out a call for like male models between the age of 20 and 25
1:17:42
and they're all interchangeable and you can't keep track of who's who and in
1:17:47
this movie I really appreciated the fact that all of the villains were their own
1:17:52
unique people and I came from different backgrounds and really felt like
1:17:57
mercenaries whether or not I liked the individual character or not I really
1:18:03
appreciated what a ragtag group they sort of put together and and in it for
1:18:09
me it helped add to the realism of the of the group that's my only complaints about everyone
1:18:16
else did a great job everyone else did a great job that's my - if I was a casting director which I'm not those two would
1:18:24
not have made the cut I don't think I would have seen whatever they thought they saw I am more if they if they would
1:18:31
have fleshed one of these guys out more like they were great bad guys yeah but
1:18:37
in die hard in die hard you had Karl like the long-haired I can't remember
1:18:44
the guys name but you had Karl everybody knew who the bad guy Karl was he was the henchman he was he was the right-hand
1:18:49
man - hans gruber they should have really made this guy kweilyn right-hand
1:18:55
man and I would have believed his his psychosis a lot more you know if he was
1:19:02
just like right off the bat he was the ruthless guy he was the the insane psychopath but all of a sudden like he
1:19:09
comes out of nowhere he shoots the BASE jumper you know without any problem and
1:19:14
then now all of a sudden he's like I'm coming after you gave up after Walker and he's whole misogynistic that's what
1:19:25
it was discussing his behavior was disgusting because that's right he's he's telling Gabe he's gonna rape he's
1:19:33
gonna rape the girl before he kills her like this guy's is off it's use just
1:19:39
like psycho maybe he's just too psycho for the rest of what was going on around it you can have a guy that's that psycho
1:19:47
but make him that psycho right from the beginning right but just like pop him up all of a sudden as like a psychopath
1:19:53
because then you're like all right where'd this guy come from he was he was a background guy before that nobody knew his name or anything no
1:20:01
now well son he's coming with his martial arts like he could have displayed that throughout the whole movie yes sir that was a fantastic
1:20:07
fighter I know he comes uh comes out of nowhere it is with these martial art kicks yeah now going back to the first
1:20:15
suitcase retrieval scene why did they try to pull Gabe off the cliff before he
1:20:21
brought the suitcase down it doesn't make any sense it's it's one of the one of the more
1:20:26
head-scratching moments from this film because you know they they they they
1:20:32
basically say they're gonna kill Gabe when he comes down and then how has that moment where he wants to warn him but it
1:20:40
doesn't feel like anybody thought too much beyond that because if you pull him down the money's coming down with him
1:20:46
and then you lose a whole case right unless they thought they'd catch it yeah
1:20:51
like did they think it was in his hands I don't know like why pull him down the
1:20:57
the case had not been brought down and for all they knew he hadn't found it yet right it it feels like they really
1:21:06
needed a they needed this moment to sort of get the story to where it needed to
1:21:11
be but they didn't really think about too much how to do it so instead they just did it the brain I mean it creates
1:21:19
the action sequence it creates what it creates later but I loved Evelyn which I
1:21:25
wanted yeah it's it's it's an amazing another great sequence they get to the
1:21:33
one suitcase before the bad guys Jesse and Gabe and they set up that snowman
1:21:39
with the tracker eyes the tracker beeping eyes and they open up the case and it says what did I say again I want
1:21:47
to trade or something like that was it one trade what was the let's trade so something bout trading because he
1:21:54
wanted to trade the suitcase for hell what did that remind you of this sequence any guesses so Gabe and Jesse
1:22:04
get to the suitcase first they empty out the money in the leave one dollar bill and they're saying you know you want to trait because we have the cash will to
1:22:11
give you the cash for now I have a machine gun yeah yeah that's what came
1:22:19
to mind I never thought of it till I saw today I've got sequence these thought of
1:22:25
this is die hard on a mountain right well let's not give a 100% yes yeah
1:22:31
wouldn't put out die hard no probably a man now we just like the third time we
1:22:38
mentioned die hard by the way we should well we should mention that they did want to do a sequel to this movie and it
1:22:45
was gonna this is well give a little shout-out to Matt who's not watching her show which is weird
1:22:52
he said that wait it's late where you guys are
1:22:57
yeah but I'm doing the show you know a Saturday night one bastard I always do
1:23:05
the show that's right I'm my dog's timezone now which I will be for a
1:23:13
little while so I better get used to it yeah all right
1:23:18
so yes so they're gonna do a sequel with the Gabe character at a Dan oh yeah yeah and it wasn't gonna be
1:23:25
called the damn like cliffhanger to the damn I was literally gonna be terrorists at a damn Hoover Dam anyways but then
1:23:34
Matt said there was like parts three and four I I couldn't find it or equal I think all right so all right so what's a
1:23:46
Matt somewhere Matt's head is exploding so we talked about the orderly on death
1:23:52
scene talk about the poor old man Frank death scene oh my goodness that is a sequence that a character they
1:24:00
didn't need to do it and they did it and it really just drives home how sinister
1:24:06
and evil these guys are that's a great way of puttin it because think about
1:24:13
yeah I won't let you sorry I let you about know that that's it yeah oh because he was such an innocent old man
1:24:19
there was like so there was too mati and surfer of snowboarding dudes BASE jumping dudes one got killed Mert
1:24:27
like one got murdered Elma barely got away Frank gets murdered and oh and then
1:24:34
kweilyn murders his female bad guy eight
1:24:40
when he says no you know what's the what do you say the greatest thing about love or something or you'll drop the clip in
1:24:47
anyway so I will so but the thing was like there's a lot of like just like
1:24:52
violent deaths of innocent people it's like a slasher film in some ways like blatant disregard for human life there
1:24:59
you go I think he's all man gets shot look he's just standing and it's filmed so well
1:25:06
because he cut like it's acted so well by this older gentleman I forget his name but he says special appearance by
1:25:12
paul winfield know that paul winfield oh that was the wait say again ralph waite
1:25:22
yeah so he's an older actor and he played it so well when he had the gun
1:25:29
pointed at him it was acted so well his disbelief is like I'm here to help you what are you
1:25:34
doing it was so heartbreaking I every time I watch that scene I'm literally
1:25:40
heartbroken it's again it's one of those 90s things it's the guys collateral
1:25:46
damage and they they really like you talked about Game of Thrones and how they just murdered characters left and
1:25:53
right this movie took no prisoners they they just killed people innocent or not
1:26:00
and you know I I kind of have a little issue with that because like as
1:26:05
cold-blooded as a killer as one can be in these movies it's just the they I
1:26:11
don't believe there's anybody that cold-blooded that they'll don't kill
1:26:16
everybody or anybody regardless of well they did here
1:26:22
I know it's well you know I of course for a movie like this you used to spend
1:26:27
that but it did it broke my heart to see it and but you know I knew it was gonna
1:26:34
happen can he shut up I said just get this poor son-of-a-bitch day yeah and then there
1:26:41
was the let's talk about that bridge explosion sequence that's actually a really well filmed and I remember the
1:26:48
trailers I've seen that in the trailers as the teenager not and not and sorry
1:26:53
and looking forward to seen in the theaters it didn't disappoint with the explosion behind Gabe he's running and
1:26:59
he grabs the any grab now I didn't notice this until I saw it on the blu-ray so the explosion is on your left
1:27:08
but it's a big wide screen shot you can see the stunt double or Gabe's character grabbing the bridge on the right with
1:27:16
Jesse grabbing him as well it's such a wide shot that I think all these years I was always focusing on the explosion on
1:27:23
the left and on the right screen was stuff going on there's a lot of wide wide shots of a lot going on people
1:27:29
walking across mountaintops a lot of vistas and just the stunts themselves so there's a lot of wide shot stunts and
1:27:36
far away shots I know I I love the cinematography in this film yeah and there is it's quite excuse me it's quite
1:27:43
possible Ryan that for a couple of viewings of this film you watched it on
1:27:48
standard 4:3 VHS which you know you know
1:27:54
blu-ray and DVD thankfully bought widescreen back to home viewing but you
1:27:59
know for a long time this was you know people were probably watching a cropped version of this film which really takes
1:28:05
a lot away from it I think that might have been what it is is that a lot of things are cropped can we talk about the
1:28:11
one sequence that was just it looks so frickin cool but is probably one of the
1:28:19
most unrealistic sequences in the whole film we're game jumps that cliff and he
1:28:24
goes about 40 feet I know it does that's
1:28:32
it it's a total like trailer moment like this is like the moment that you're
1:28:39
gonna show to end the trailer yes but it's I mean it's so it's in fact in
1:28:45
fact wasn't it called back and Rashad because even test audiences
1:28:51
thought it was bullcrap yeah well that's what I read to the test audiences laughed so how far did he jump
1:28:57
in the original cut a hundred feet it was awesome though yeah what's funny
1:29:05
is you know we talked about 1993 audiences maybe being a little bit more
1:29:10
sensible thinking that's too much whereas I think it would I wanna Klee a pun not intended it would fly bit better
1:29:17
in today's audience of all these Marvel movies stuff that we watch and not even that like you had the skyscraper movie
1:29:24
with the rock and and and you know even some of the die-hard sequels that came after this we're just do superhuman [ __ ]
1:29:32
now and audiences just accepted exactly so I seen her heroes so funny enough I
1:29:37
think that's why this sequence today when I watched it it was really cool and
1:29:43
I'd love I actually went back and did a screen shot over at least so we released a video because I loved that shot of his
1:29:48
that stunt double whoever's doing that jump in there so where are they jumping like in real life where are they jumping
1:29:55
off of because there's no CGI taking out a lot like what are they how they propelling themselves is actually a really cool shot I'm actually confused
1:30:02
how they pulled it off real life do you guys know I do know that a lot of this movie especially I probably on this
1:30:09
other special features you probably see some of this but a lot of stuff they did
1:30:16
where the way it's photographed it looks like it's straight down but then when
1:30:21
you look at it in real life they were sort of you know on one cliff above another cliff and it's just through the
1:30:29
magic of filmmaking it you know and and trick shots or whatever but you know
1:30:35
they're doing stuff at a certain height but it was a really you know small you
1:30:41
know a couple feet down if you if you if you didn't make the jump you know what I mean ya know I got you I got [ __ ] but
1:30:49
this is a really cool shot this is the thing about this film is how great this
1:30:54
is another excuse the pun how grounded it actually is a lot of this action sequences it's actually quite as far as
1:31:01
an action movie goes not totally out of this realm of possibilities it's not like a James Bond
1:31:06
movie that Mike i'vei've already said that this is a kind of a grounded movie and it's only a
1:31:13
couple little sequences where maybe the explosion was a little bit big or whatever but you know people jump in the
1:31:19
air flying off cliffs and I mean you you've seen YouTube videos people are doing this kind of stuff yeah I got to
1:31:25
tell you I have a big James Bond fan it's it's probably one of my favorite
1:31:31
film franchises and around the same time maybe two years later we got Goldeneye which I believe the the writer of this
1:31:38
film wrote that as well Michael France and we get that great scene in Goldeneye
1:31:44
where he jumps off the cliff on the motorcycle and sort of works his way
1:31:50
down into a plane men and coat goes through the door I love that I love that
1:31:57
[ __ ] and and in Bond movies you accept it because he's bond you know so any uh
1:32:05
what time I mean it's it's night I love well I love this movie and like there's
1:32:12
some flaws in it but I mean even when I was washing this like I said I saw I used to own in VHS when I was a teenager
1:32:19
and I used to rewash movies all the time when I was younger because there's no YouTube Netflix stuff so I used to watch my movies over and over again back in
1:32:25
the day and this movie I will say 26 years old it has aged very well and the
1:32:33
nostalgia factor has not been killed some of the sequences yes he look like stages and stuff like that but it's um
1:32:39
it's quaint and I like it and I other than forgetting to self Island is images
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really how much cursing there was in this movie to i-i've I was a little taken aback about the the profanity
1:32:52
level on this film but me that was a 90 scene because we don't hear that kind that less is the quentin tarantino film
1:32:57
we don't really hear the kind of profanity and action films like we do now now they chased the pg-13 rating
1:33:03
which we talked about earlier but I do have to say Ryan that I'm glad I'm glad
1:33:09
this movie held up for you and I say this without any kind of
1:33:16
hyperbole but this is probably spallone's best action movie from a your
1:33:25
action standpoint and you can argue to varying degrees how much you consider
1:33:30
Rambo action movies their action movies but there aren't huge stunts in them per
1:33:37
se okay so but I can equate the rocky and expendable films you're saying well
1:33:43
I'm saying you'd be ramble a film yeah cliffhanger I think if you really search
1:33:49
your heart you'll find it to be true that cliffhanger is is the the most pure
1:33:56
action film in terms of delivering on the promise of an action film I like it
1:34:03
I I think I think when it comes down to you I meant to say the Rambo films you take away the Rambo films too we see
1:34:11
action because so much gunfire and fighting whatever but yeah for a
1:34:16
standalone film in Stallone's career that's a good question is there a better standalone action film than this one
1:34:22
that he's done I'll argue to that it's easy to fire a gun in a movie and I love the Rambo movies we talked about that
1:34:27
already but I still think I'll argue anybody on it and I can't really read Doug's face
1:34:34
right now whether he agrees with us or not I would have to totally agree okay I
1:34:43
you know using Bryan's onwards we've reviewed a couple of dumpster fires before this but this I really enjoy
1:34:51
rewatching cliffhanger the action totally holds up the effects holds up even though like I was I was talking
1:34:58
earlier about the obvious sets the on location shots were incredible the act
1:35:05
of explosions everything like the action was incredible like I really I was I was
1:35:11
invested totally invested in in the movie from beginning to end the I even
1:35:17
the cheesy 90s dialogue like I was laughing throughout the movie how stupid it was and Ryan if there's any movie I
1:35:24
really want you to put in some of the cheesiest lines please drop in a bunch of these because they
1:35:29
there were some eight plus ones I might I might just have to insert them randomly because we didn't really talk a
1:35:34
lot about the dialogue we which isn't bad we have because I think in our past dumpster fire discussions we were
1:35:41
talking about the stupid sequences stupid dialogue where with this film we
1:35:47
actually have been focusing on how good it is how good it looks so it's hard to do audio clips off that kind of you know
1:35:52
even the action sequences I can't do an audio drop of that actual sequence so what I might have to do is a little
1:35:57
Easter Egg just throughout this podcast episode I'm just kind of like throwing
1:36:03
like kweilyn one-liners other one-liners just for the audience to hear because when they get to this point the podcast
1:36:08
they'll understand why because we did really talk about things like when Gabe's you know is lighting the fire the
1:36:16
money on fire to keep warm the cave is like boys exposed yeah well the Gabe canet if I had some
1:36:26
like some incredible stuff like your life is on we say like your life is on sale Walker the price is 30 million but
1:36:34
Mike I think my favorite one was at the end when kweilyn on the radio he goes I
1:36:40
must admit to Gabe you're a real piece of work and game goes and I must admit your real piece of [ __ ]
1:36:46
yeah this is great this great one-liners like that there's actually one sequence
1:36:51
that was really quiet to hear in the audio and I don't even think I'll do an audio drop maybe I will but when how
1:36:57
goes to try to warn Frank that he's about to be killed the the bad guy is a
1:37:02
kweilyn in Travers they let he'll go it in a sadistic way like oh go ahead and try to stop it it's not you're too far
1:37:09
away Frank's gonna get it killed and and so how's Ryan to start Frank but before
1:37:15
they let him go or when they let him go you can hear quail and kind of say go warn the Frank I go warn your buddy go
1:37:22
warn him but good luck it was a really like another little sadistic moment there by kweilyn like they were really
1:37:27
sadistic bad guys yeah there were perfect bad guys for the time so yeah I'm gonna in spirit little the
1:37:34
one-liners there's a lot of great one-liners like oh you really want to kill me don't you well take a number and
1:37:40
get in line like this is great look so yeah again remember should I keep your arms
1:37:45
and legs in the vehicle at all times look at that it's over this is rattling them off refer back to me yeah there's a
1:37:53
great stuff there's some great lines yeah and they're usually fed by kweilyn or when a
1:38:01
hell says to the soccer player bad guy he goes you know like I might be dead
1:38:06
but you always be an [ __ ] make them like this anymore and I'm not saying
1:38:13
that with any hint of nostalgia or anything like that it's just a it's just a fact we're in a we're in a place where
1:38:20
they just don't make them like this anymore where no you know language or the violence or even the the cast of
1:38:27
characters and I'm not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing but it's just we didn't we they don't make them like
1:38:32
this anymore so when you see a movie like this you you really appreciate it for what it delivers I think that what
1:38:38
we're getting the closest to this is maybe movies like John wick with the violence and the cursing and movies in
1:38:44
the and they are very popular or they're doing a fourth one and the the Kingsmen that's also violent and cuss filled so
1:38:52
they are coming back but this was the norm back in the 90s and I kind of I kind of missed that when they you rented
1:38:57
a video from Blockbuster and you knew that you're in for a bloody violent movie by Stallone or Schwarzenegger like
1:39:03
Total Recall or something like that yeah and I agree with you Ryan but it also also with the stunts and the
1:39:10
explosions you know it kind of feels like Michael Bay might have been kind of
1:39:16
an explosion guy I know one of the Transformers has like the biggest explosion ever but it feels like you
1:39:24
know and I and I don't want to sound like I'm down on them or anything because I enjoy the movies now too but
1:39:29
action scenes in movies now don't feel exciting because it just looks like
1:39:36
you're watching a video game yes CGI is kill that's why that's what made this movie so much fun was this the
1:39:43
practical effects you felt I felt in fear of the actors and the stunt doubles it felt visceral and real yeah I missed
1:39:49
that yeah and I mean and and that's what I mean when they land they don't make them like this anymore they just don't
1:39:54
and you know and and that's why cliffhanger it it's
1:40:02
it stands the test of time this was one of the good ones it was and it's it's an
1:40:08
unsung hero because when you talk about the great action comedies they don't mention cliffhanger that much no they
1:40:13
don't you know but then when people bring it up there you often hear from anyway oh yeah no like that movie was good so so guys any last words before we
1:40:21
close the show love it feels good to uh to end the tended episode on a positive
1:40:28
note angry at the movie we just watched and angry at each other was the last one
1:40:37
we did driven know we did a over the top o was probably a mistake for you Ryan no
1:40:45
this was great this felt great this reminded me of why I love Stallone films this this this is what reminded me and
1:40:51
we could do another non dumpster fire to keep that spirit alive but we'll put up the vote maybe for the next round we'll
1:40:58
see what we put out there but that's when I remind our listeners thanks for a couple of the viewers and stay through
1:41:04
this whole live viewing to our future listeners on our respect to channels my channel is going the distance the Rocket
1:41:10
series podcast I just Google that you can find us on every podcast app out
1:41:15
there we're on Twitter we're on Facebook and also I do another podcast called the worst of the best podcast and again just
1:41:22
Google the worst of the best podcast we're on Twitter and Facebook and yeah
1:41:27
Craig alright sly cast and rumors of its
1:41:33
demise have been greatly exaggerated there's lots of great new sliced content
1:41:39
coming down the pike for you including all of our our old favorite co-hosts and
1:41:44
and some familiar voices as well so I know it's few and far between
1:41:50
it's a lot of work and I appreciate the amount of work that Ryan puts into this
1:41:55
podcast for everybody to enjoy and it's not easy to podcast and I'm not saying
1:42:01
that to make you feel sorry for us we do this because we love it but it's also a lot of work and when you've got jobs and
1:42:08
family commitments and there's only many hours in a day so I really
1:42:14
appreciate the effort you put into this Ryan because it's really easy for me to hang up this call and go eat dinner
1:42:19
after we're done but over the next couple days or weeks or whatever you're
1:42:24
gonna be slaving away listening to this audio and cleaning it up and dropping in sound bites and it takes time and it's
1:42:30
not easy so I do look forward to sharing more slide cast as we talked about earlier check out some of my other
1:42:36
podcasts that have archived episodes big screen book club we did two episodes on
1:42:42
die hard and die hard to both based on on novels and those are some of my
1:42:48
favorite episodes ironically enough those were co-hosted by my friend BJ who
1:42:55
does the rock and roll rock and/or roll podcast which way which is where you can find my CJ Ramone interview so there's a
1:43:04
lot of great content out there you have probably haven't heard lists lately and if you haven't listened to it in a while
1:43:09
go back and listen to the slide cast episode of cliffhanger because there's some great insight from Jeff Hewlett and
1:43:16
Mike Conda on that episode along with a lot of redundant talking points for myself so uh this is great I love
1:43:23
getting together with you guys on on a monthly basis and it's it's really it's
1:43:29
really cool to be able to sit down and chat these movies and like I said slide cast we've got a lot more content headed
1:43:38
your way all right I would also like to give Ryan is due respect for the hard work that he puts
1:43:44
into two quick turnaround on these episodes it's it's incredible I don't
1:43:49
even put rocky minute out as quick as he puts these out and we're a daily podcast but rocky minute is is my show me and my
1:43:58
co-host Jay we review the rocky mini rocky movies one minute of movie time at
1:44:03
a time we've done two full seasons where get ready for rocky 3 coming up so we're
1:44:09
part of the dueling genre network so come find us on doing genre calm and yeah I mean you know we've had Bryan and
1:44:16
Craig both as guests on both seasons and you know you can look forward to more of them on rocky 3 it's you know it's just
1:44:23
getting better and better J'son don't give that man a podcast it's
1:44:31
awesome guys so yeah thanks for everyone's listen and remember I was gonna say ah thanks for listening you
1:44:38
guys and yeah this has been great as always I look forward to our next review I got a feelings gonna be a dumpster
1:44:43
fire so I've really enjoyed this one not if we put up a you know a choice of two
1:44:50
great movies let's go back Wow let's go back let's go way back to saloons roots
1:44:55
yeah we'll do an early one I think I think an early one from the 70s might be my book might be what we need to do
1:45:02
alright guys thanks for thanks a lot and we'll talk to you soon alright take care everyone so long here