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Reed, Derek and Bryn look back on the first season of Essential Dynamics. We each talk about some of our quests, planned and unexpected.
Join Derek Hudson as he explores Essential Dynamics, a framework for approaching the challenges facing people and organizations. Consider your Quest!
And welcome back to Essential Dynamics, the philosophy that helps you find your way on your quest. I'm Reed McColm, your handsome host, and here with, as always, the man who, came up with this philosophy and actually knows how to guide me through it, and that's Derek Hudson. How are you, Derek?
Derek:Reed, I'm fantastic. It's, it's great to be back. I can't believe we're still Zoom in this, but here we are.
Reed:Yeah. That's true. This is, this is podcast 25, Derek. And, here at the quarter century mark, I'd like to, I'd like to mark it and stick it and say we've done pretty well for the first season if the if we can consider 25 episodes a season. In my television experience, that was pretty, that's pretty close to what we would do.
Reed:And, and I'm very proud of, having been associated with you for that time or and that you put up with me. So, congratulations, Derek, on having 25 episodes in which to say something.
Derek:That's, it's hard to believe that that that we're here. 25. That's amazing.
Reed:Yeah. Well, let's let's use it to reflect. We've got Derek here, of course, and we've also got, as always, our, studio guru and, technician. That's mister Brynn Griffiths. And, Brynn, are you there?
Bryn:I am, you guys. And this has been a lot of fun for me.
Reed:I'm glad. Thank you. And I just wanna point out to our listeners that Brynn and Derek and I all went to the same junior high and high school and knew each other then. And, although that was just, what, six years ago?
Bryn:Yeah. About that, I think.
Reed:Yeah. Yeah. And, we've had some life experience since then, but we still have been able to reunite and say, let's do this podcast for Essential Dynamics. And talking about Essential Dynamics has has been what's brought us together in this for, for this, period. And, Brynn, you knew nothing about Essential Dynamics, neither did I, before we before we, before Derek brought it up to us and and explained it.
Reed:Say something about that.
Bryn:Well, you know what? I think Derek had kinda given me a a a brief version of it. But the the fun part for me, just sitting here listening to you guys talk and have a few guests on, is the fact that what you did is you flushed it out for me. And that's been huge because I've been able to actually now look at my life and see how I've been applying some of this without even knowing it. So I've really enjoyed I've enjoyed listening to you guys over the past 24 episodes.
Reed:I've I have to agree, Bryn. I've also been, quite impressed with Derek's prescience and, his his his ability to identify universal themes and, and to actually put it into words. This is how, life often goes, and this is how, a best success works. And, and that perspective has helped me as well. I often think in terms of the quest and its purpose and purpose x and purpose y.
Reed:And, and, Derek, I have to say there's a there's a lot of richness to your philosophy.
Derek:Well, you know, I don't know if it's my philosophy, Reid. It's certainly been a voyage of discovery, more more than creation.
Reed:I think I think I should have said perspective.
Derek:Sure. Sure. So so one of the things I've been thinking about is, is my professional practice kinda has three elements to it. And I don't I suppose it always has, but it's they've they've been kinda crystallized over this past year. And so one of them is learning.
Derek:And so Essential Dynamics is really my tool as a professional to learn about the world and learn about how things work. The second thing is doing, and that's my consulting practice Mhmm. Where I help, people in organizations, you know, raise their level of performance and solve tricky problems. And then the other element is teaching. And so the, unconstrained CFO group that we're putting together and and the and the things that I'm doing to help CFOs perform better is is the is the teaching aspect.
Derek:So I learn, I do, and I teach, and it all kinda comes together. So
Reed:I'm just There's such a there's such a need among CFOs. I mean, Brynn would agree that CFO CFOs have been notorious until you came along for being, you know, dysfunctional. So, I'm so glad that you are you're there to advise.
Derek:Well, there's there's two ways CFOs are dysfunctional, and one of them is when they steal all the money. That's very bad.
Bryn:That's a baddie.
Derek:That's a bad one. And the other one is when they're nerdy accountants and they don't relate well to the the people in the real world in business.
Bryn:Mhmm.
Derek:And I'm gonna go with, Rick Moranis' character on Ghostbusters for that one. So, I I like to think that there's a whole bunch of us in the middle who are both honest and, and friendly. But we can always do better at helping organizations deal with tricky issues. And so, anyway, it's fun it's fun to, put all that together, and, I'm thrilled to be able to continue to talk about, these principles with smart people like you guys.
Reed:Thank you. That's, that's nice of you to say. I don't know if Bryn qualifies, but
Bryn:Well, I I wanna know where do I send the direct deposit for a comment like that. It goes right to Derek. I'll I'll figure that out quick enough here. Thank you for that.
Derek:It's my it's on my Patreon account.
Bryn:Super.
Reed:Now, Derek, I wanna talk about something. Everybody has I can say, I I think everybody has a quest, but I think they have quest x and pet quest y. I don't know if they even know they have, because frequently, you know, I want to be a, well, let's take we have a friend, a mutual friend who wanted to be an airline pilot, and yet he was partially colorblind. He was able to overcome that and and, he became a he found a way to become, a pilot. That is determination because he didn't wanna do anything else.
Reed:I'm I'm quite impressed with that. I think that's terrific. Bryn always in Bryn is doing exact what he's doing now as a a broadcast and a prod podcast, distributor, engineer, creator, mighty mouth. The man is doing exactly what he said he would be doing when we were in junior high and, has had a career like that. I think I've always been very consistent about what I wanted, and I have, just as I predicted, failed in every medium.
Reed:So, I am
Bryn:Come on.
Reed:I feel
Bryn:You're being a little harsh. Come on.
Derek:And and succeeded in every medium as well.
Reed:Yeah. Well, to some degree. And, I I feel like, that was a quest that now my quest has I used to be very ambitious. I used to want to I thought I was going to Los Angeles to be rich and famous. And after a few years, I thought, who needs famous?
Reed:And then after a few years after that, many years after that, I realized who needs rich. And, and I've I've mellowed. My quest has changed. My fervor and passion, have not. I still feel very connected to my to my, career goals.
Reed:But I don't need to be, I don't need to be the Oscar winner, anymore. I would like to be a presenter, but I, I don't need to be the I don't need to be the center stage any longer. Brynn, do you have a something similar about that?
Bryn:Well, you know what? We we yeah. I've I've been doing what I I think I was born to do. And, you know, thirty plus years in broadcasting and now venturing into podcast production has been great fun for me. However and I thought that was my quest.
Reed:Yeah.
Bryn:But not long ago, you know, obviously, I wasn't taken down by cancer, but I certainly was given a an abrupt wake up call by a stomach cancer, which I had my whole stomach removed, and I had a lot of time sitting in the hospital in intensive care wondering everything I've done, and this is gonna pull me down? Well, at the end of the day, the answer that I told myself was, no, it isn't. But it's gonna change and redefine my quest. The other thing too is definition of who you are and what you are. For the longest time, I always thought, you know what?
Bryn:When I'm at my memorial service, they're gonna say to one of the very first things they're gonna say, he was a really good broadcaster. I've come to realize now that will come up, but it won't be in the top five. That's really not truly what's gonna define me. There's a lot of other little things in my life which will define me in my quest. And the other thing that I've really enjoyed about listening to this podcast with you guys over 24 episodes is that I've also recognized this plus the wake up call that cancer gave me, is that the quest is ever changing, but it's fun to have a target.
Bryn:It's fun to have something to reach out for. And I I've really enjoyed listening to you guys and all all of the, the side roads and diversions because it isn't all just one major freeway. There's a lot of little side roads you can take, and some of those roads have been great. Some of them for me have been, what am I doing on this road? Yeah.
Bryn:But you know what? I wouldn't change a damn thing.
Derek:Yeah.
Bryn:I just love the way it's rolled.
Derek:Man, that's, that's pretty awesome coming from, a guy with your more recent experience and challenges, Bryn. So, Reed, one of the things I wanna explore a little bit is the difference between find your quest and, recognizing the call that you've received. And, you know, we were talking, actually, we talked a few times because it's important to do this, about, Tolkien's universe. And, Frodo didn't say, I know. I'm gonna save the world. Where's that ring?
Derek:He was he was called perhaps even sort of there was some sense of fate or prophecy or something like that that that the the hobbits had a role to play in. So there's a a bit of a a call that comes sometimes to people to step up. And, that's I I like to be I like to think that you can sort of form a quest out of any situation. But sometimes you just get snatched out, and then you have to deal with the the the challenge or opportunity that you've, faced.
Derek:And so I'd I'd be really interested in in in all of our experiences where where that's happened, whether it's been this innate genetic need to create or talk in a microphone or whatever it is, or if it's been a situational thing where we actually got, you know...
Reed:What has it been for you, Derek?
Derek:You know, you know, we're talking about our junior high friends that knew what they wanted to be when they grew up. And, you know, on the one hand, I chose a profession where I got a specific education. But second, I, you know, I don't think anyone in high school could have had any idea what I what I would do. I didn't. No.
Derek:No. You know, astronaut was a good one until I was fatally nearsighted in grade two. Mhmm. So that was out. So that was out.
Derek:NHL hockey was out probably by the time I was seven. And, the things I was good at in school weren't cool, and I didn't even like some of them. So, I I wasn't necessarily born to do anything other than to maybe think and see patterns. But I do wanna talk about, just you know, this is this is maybe a little more obvious because, when Reed and I and our friends were coming on 19 years old, many of us said that we wanted to serve missions for our church. And, you know, they don't make you go.
Derek:So, you know, it is a decision that you put your hand up and say, you know, I will I will serve. But then you submit your application, and then you actually get a call. It's a it's a mission call. That's what it's called. It's a letter.
Derek:It's from the president of the church, and it says you are called to serve as a missionary, and then you're assigned to go someplace.
Bryn:Right.
Derek:And and my great hope was that I would go someplace far away that I would learn a really interesting language and get exposed to a really different culture.
Reed:And what happened?
Derek:What happened was I got called to Seoul, Korea, and, and I arrived there in the fall of nineteen eighty, when there weren't very many, you know, western people in Korea, and he needed to speak Korean to survive. And so I had this fantastic growing experience of learning Korean, learning how to be a missionary, and, you know, meeting wonderful people and helping and really feeling like I was, you know you know, on the Lord's errands, so to speak. A year into it, I, all of a sudden, got the shock of my life. Literally, the thing that's changed my life the most in the shortest amount of time. And that was I got a new call.
Derek:I sat down with the mission president. He said, I have a I have a new call for you, and he gave me a letter from the president of the church, the same one who had sent me to Korea, sending me to Chicago because there was a tiny struggling branch of our church a Korean speaking branch of our church in, you know, in Chicago. And they wanted some, missionaries to support it. And so within three days, I was in Chicago.
Derek:So so here's here's the thing that you know, this is why I kinda muse about this is because, I can tell all kind of stories about who I am right now.
Derek:And if I was ever in a job interview, you know, they would ask me, or what are you good at? And, you know, I could tell them stuff. It's quite different to look back at yourself when you're 20 years old and see what you did because it's real. I mean, I can kind of change some of my perceptions of it, but it really happened. And what happened was I got put in a place where this little tiny Korean branch of the church had four people that were going to church.
Derek:And, actually, the first time I went, there were four Koreans in in the meeting. And one of them was the the the lead, the president of this little branch, and another one was his wife. And that was the last time I ever saw her. She left him and the church and, you know, kinda never came back. Wow.
Derek:So we had this tiny little tiny little group that, we're barely hanging together. I was, 20 years old. My missionary companion was 26, and he'd been a member of the church for two years, one of which was when he was a missionary. And our mission leaders said, we don't know what to do. You figure it out.
Derek:So that was the that was the call. Yeah. And what happened was - I grew up. I had to take a leadership role even though I wasn't the leader. My companion, in fact, was the sort of the file leader.
Derek:We had to figure out who these people were and what they needed, and, we had to try to try to work for the right reasons to make a difference. It's the most you know? And and like I said, like, I moved halfway across the world in three days and was left to rely on all the stuff that I'd learned before with not very much, you know, other help or direction. Now as a missionary, if you're on the Lord's errand, there is that help. And, of course, that's a that's a personal experience that I feel like I learned a lot from as well.
Derek:End result was and and I, you know, I don't wanna take all the time because you guys have stories too, but the end result was, in I got there in October. By July, there were 40 people attending meetings every week. And, this was my barometer as the missionaries we were replacing went home and they had a party, and there were about six people at the party. And, I said to myself, when I go home, there's gonna be a big party. And it's not gonna be a party about me. It's just that there's gonna be enough people, but there's a big party.
Reed:Yeah.
Derek:Do you know those big stainless steel mixing bowls? Like, they they nest? Yes. The biggest ones? Yeah.
Derek:Oh, yeah. Okay. Picture one of these filled with kalbi, Korean ribs, marinating up to the top and being barbecued constantly over a period of many hours. That was the party when I left in September.
Reed:That's nice. Good for you.
Bryn:I can't have those parties anymore because I can't eat those things anymore because
Reed:I don't have a stomach anymore. That's right. Let's talk. I I wonder about that, Bryn, because you. Now prior to losing your stomach, you also lost a kidney.
Reed:Is that right?
Bryn:Yes. And you know what? It's funny because you you guys glad you think it's funny. Well, you know what? That's that's my nature.
Bryn:My nature is to find a the the the positive funny part or the unusual part of pretty much every situation I've been in, and I've been in some tough ones. I lost my dad when I was 29. He he died of an aneurysm in his abdominal area, which you can't you can't it's a quick heart attack. Here today, gone later today. A few years later, I lose my sister to an epileptic seizure, grand mal seizure.
Bryn:And she was, she was 29. I was 31. Those were two life moments for me. Career is one thing, but it's the life moments for me that have made me sit back and go, what am I doing here? What's my purpose?
Bryn:What's my goal? Right? And what's my quest? And I've had I can list off I can list off probably about six or seven life moments, and I tend to dwell on what can I do? I can't change it, but what can I do to take a positive out of this and make it work for me, to feed me, to make sure that I have the drive to move on to the next step in life?
Bryn:And as as I say, the the biggest one will be the the stomach cancer. Like, I the darkest part of my life because of COVID, nobody could come and visit me at the hospital. So I have my surgery eight hours, remove my stomach. A couple of days later, I get a an infection in my chest, and I'm in ICU for a week. And they weren't sure if I was gonna make it, but I did.
Bryn:Here I am. But I had to stay in hospital for another three weeks, and so I hadn't seen family at all. Maybe just a brief text message, and it's the darkest time of my life. But you know what? All the way through that dark period, I was able to find out what I'm all about, and I was able to find out what my next quest is.
Bryn:And for me, the quest isn't just at the end of the line. I think life is a full of little quests that we've gotta get to. It's that taking a next step in your life, taking next step in your life. I had done a lot of charitable work for the Cross Cancer Institute and the Cure Cancer Foundation, Alberta Cancer Foundation, because I wanted to help people with cancer, not recognizing, thankfully, or knowing that I was gonna be needing that support service myself later. But all all I'm saying is that I try to find where I've been and where I'm going, and I put as much of a positive spin and try to make as much of a difference as I possibly can.
Bryn:What I've done for career has been fun. It's been enjoyable. It's put food on the table, and I've met so many wonderful people. But at the end of the day, it's those life experiences that have really told me that my quest is a little bit different than where my career path has taken me, and so I just feed off of that. I had I had recuperation time last summer where I did nothing but sit on the deck, which was great, and we had a pretty good summer.
Bryn:I sat on the deck, worked on my tan, and all I thought to myself is, what am I gonna do next? And how can I make it a positive experience for people beyond just me? How can I get more involved and try to help somebody who might be going through my same experience? That's kinda where I'm at, and I I really believe that my real big wake up call wasn't losing my dad, losing my sister, losing my mom. It was basically almost losing my life and recognizing that I'm not ready to go yet, and I can try to make a positive in a positive impact on a lot of people through my actions.
Reed:Wasn't the kidney enough? Like, didn't didn't losing the kidney make you think that in the first place?
Bryn:Well, the funny part is I lucked out there because I had developed shingles, and I went in and I just happened to go to the hospital because I couldn't sleep one night, and they said, we think you're coming down with shingles. We're gonna do an abdominal scan. And so they did the abdominal scan, and while they were there, they said, we they came back and saw me. There was one doctor that was seeing me, two came back. And I kinda went, oh, that's interesting.
Bryn:The first doctor says, you're you've got shingles. It's just coming on. We can get to it. The second doctor says, hi. I'm an oncologist.
Bryn:Well, that's a wake up call just to hear that. He says, we've discovered a really tiny little tumor in your kidney, and we can remove that. But you're really lucky you came in tonight because we can fix that. What they weren't telling me was that they weren't gonna remove the tumor. The little tumor was in a spot where they had to remove the whole right kidney.
Bryn:But you know what? I lucked out. I'm still here. How how I've survived this last little boat is everybody keeps saying, you know what? You're very inspirational.
Bryn:I don't look at it like that. I think that I've just I'm a survivor, and I try to take what I've what I've gone through, and I try to make the most of it, and I try to make sure that I can have a positive impact on people. That's my quest.
Derek:Hey hey, Brent. Can I ask you, in those dark times, did you ever ask, you know, why me?
Bryn:No. It's really bizarre. You know? You I I I think the the thing that was constant for me was as I was lying there, I would think to myself, okay. So how do you get out of this one?
Bryn:And, I I I I do remember constantly saying to myself, I have a lot more to give. And and when I I joke about the fact that I say I wasn't ready to go, well, clearly, I wasn't, but I thought that. I thought, I don't want the only thing I felt I felt a little cheated because if this takes me down, I got a lot more that I can contribute to people. And so that's where my my goal is. All of a sudden, it's just made my hunger to work harder for those particular groups, and, that's what I'm planning on doing from now until that time does come.
Reed:Right.
Bryn:But I've never I I don't I'm not a big I don't like the woe is me thing. That's just not really how I tick. I just I tend to I be I I am I
Reed:I so admire you for that, Brynn. That's just, I agree that's part of your nature. I admire it and, I'm grateful for it. I I do have that nature of woe is me. It's, it's called depression, and it is, it is a scary monster that rears its head every so often.
Reed:I think going back to, Derek when you mentioned, the call, I you're right. In literature, there is there are ample, examples of people, well, being forced into a call. The great archetypal, stories all have it. They say, you must perform this these seven great wonders before you can marry my daughter. That they they they have a job to do.
Reed:And, ever since a tall bearded man, brought me a ring that I was supposed to carry to this mountain, and I said, get out of here. I have regretted that. I I I wish, I wish I had the stamina to really take on such a call, but I'm not sure I could survive what Brynn has encountered, for instance. I do see a lot more bravery around me than I have within me. And, I I do, I do have those moments of why me, but I is in essentially, my, my wake up call is my brother's death.
Reed:My brother committed suicide at 18, and, I was stunned. I had no idea of the, extent of his problems. I knew I had suspected that some were drug related and it turned out that was true. I had a plan. Once I once I was told by my brother-in-law, my sister's husband, who a was able to pick pointed out that my brother was having that problem, my sister and I just looked at each other with wide open saucer eyes went, wow.
Reed:That's true. All the clues fit. And I wrote a play, which is, which I realized is just as I now realize was a very weak response, but I wrote a play in which the the older brother has a gift for his younger brother, is protective for the brother, for the protective of the brother throughout. And then at the end, wants him to come to school and be his roommate so that he can protect his brother. And, I was I had written that play and I was we were going to have a family reunion in August, and I was going to hand in the play and say, please read this.
Reed:And that was how I was going to tell him I knew. And, he died on July 23. So, I missed it. And, and I realized ever since that I have missed him far better than I loved him. I swore to myself that would never happen again, and then I had a sister die of leukemia, 26, who told me three days before she died, I and I'm not gonna die because I haven't lived yet.
Reed:And and I darn it. It's it didn't quite happen. Again, there was things I did fix with her, but, you know, my dad died a few days before he was 80. And I thought to myself, you know, I'm probably gonna miss him better than I loved him because we didn't really know each other all that well. And, and I'm ashamed of that, that I keep getting the lesson retaught or reestablished.
Bryn:Can I ask you a question? And this is what I asked myself a lot in the past year. Am I a look ahead to the tomorrow guy, or am I a look back at yesterday guy? And I do love I do love to look back and reflect a little bit, but I I really focus on the positive of the day ahead. And I think you're strong I think you're stronger than you think, Ruid.
Reed:Well, thank you. But I part of the reason my brother's death hit me so hard was because everybody in the family thought it would be me. And, I even came down the stairs at the funeral. I remember coming down the stairs in the house and hearing my sister say that to my mother. And, and I said and then they looked just horrified because they've been caught.
Reed:And I said, no. It's okay. I thought so too.
Bryn:But here you are.
Derek:Hey. Hey, Reid. Mhmm. I think that one aspect of the call that you've been given is to write. So so here you talk about your brother, and your gift to him was writing.
Derek:Mhmm.
Bryn:Correct.
Derek:I don't think people that have, I don't wanna criticize people that are always positive, but, you know, I think there needs to be something to write about.
Bryn:Yeah.
Derek:If it's if it's all sunshine and roses, it doesn't become very interesting. And so one of the, you know, things we talk about in the quest is without opposition, there's no quest.
Reed:That's right. Right?
Derek:In fact, opposition defines the quest in some way, and your response is almost always to right.
Reed:Yes. That's true. And I appreciate that. That's that's kind of you to say because it does remind me just like Brynn did that I I have something to offer. And I'm grateful for the people around me who keep, pulling me up when, my natural maybe not my natural, but my, my knee jerk response anyway is to give into depression.
Reed:And lately, that's not true. Lately, I've really fought against depression, especially during COVID and isolation. I thought I wanted to be alone a lot. I was doing social distancing well before it was popular. Yeah.
Reed:But, I I had no idea how isolating it was. I for various reasons, I'm my car is not working, and I have not been able to drive for some time. And I feel I feel very, very, well isolated. I don't know how else to say it. And, I've been working on a a project for the different a series of film projects for academia on caregiving for the elderly, and it's felt more relevant with every every draft to me.
Reed:And, and I'm I'm grateful for those challenges. I'm grateful for the things that have that have, brought those to life.
Bryn:Hey. Well, Reid, let me just I I wish I could remember who said this, and and maybe you can even know who said it. They talked about the fact that you can't change what's happened, but you can change what's ahead. I wish Right. That's kind of a summation of of what I've been hearing.
Bryn:And for me, that's that's my goal now is that I I just wanna make sure that I build on every day. I can't
Reed:That's right.
Bryn:I can't dwell too long on what's happened to me in the past. I just have to learn from it and make sure that I can make as much out of every day. And so that's kinda the direction I go.
Reed:I love that. I love that. I I I I feel, again, the need to reemphasize that in great literature, the great archetypal stories have those moments of somebody being, the protagonist being, maybe dragged into a, mission sort of, setting, and then, being, defined by it or helped by it.
Bryn:Right.
Reed:I feel like, well, you know, there's Frodo and there's there's Jean Valjean and and King Arthur. And, there's there's just there's Don Quixote even in his imagined quest, in his imagined persona. Even he had obstacles to overcome. They were just windmills or were they were they great monsters. I think we all can relate to those stories, and that's why they are they're relatable.
Reed:Derek I know my Sorry.
Bryn:I'm sorry. No. No. Read it. I I completely get where you're going with that.
Bryn:I was just gonna say to to Derek because, you know, we we could talk for hours because we're such good friends, all of us. But this to kinda sum up your season one based on what what we're hearing here, this this has been just a great, great kickoff for you, I think. Reid, I don't know if you feel the same way.
Reed:Oh, I absolutely do. I absolutely do. I think it's been one of the highlights of my life to talk to my friend, Derek, about how he lived his life and, and what he thinks it means. And this has been really an honor to be part of, even outshining the time I was asked to be an Avenger.
Bryn:There we go.
Derek:Well, I hope that one makes its way out of the archives at some point. So, guys guys, I have to I have to thank you because I kinda had a choice when I started putting this together was, do I do I write it all down, and just have it come out of my own head? And I thought because, you know, Brynn and I had been talking about podcasts that let's have a conversation because I don't think I don't think we do very well when we learn stuff out of a book in isolation.
Reed:Mhmm. Yeah.
Derek:If and, you know, and even this idea of a quest is really, you know, life's experience where, you know, our philosophy is that life is a challenge, and that's how we learn and grow.
Reed:Right. Right.
Derek:And it can have these it can have these big, big meanings Yeah. Or or it can help you get through, tedious task.
Reed:That's true. So true. Derek, you have a new website. I'm wanting where is it?
Derek:So, yeah, I I talked about, the efforts I'm making to, teach CFOs. We had Anne McTaggart on a a few weeks ago. So you can find us at unconstrainedcf0.com.
Reed:Unconstrained c f 0 Com.
Derek:If you're a financially minded person and you wanna get in the group, and if you're the normal person, the rest of you, then come to derrickhudson.ca, and, that's a that's a broader view of the world.
Reed:Well, let's check it out. Ladies and gentlemen who are listening, we are glad that you have been listening. We hope you'll let us know how you, have enjoyed our, podcast, and we look forward to seeing you just shortly in season two, where we have a lot of exciting things lined up to talk to you about. And Brent for Brent Griffiths, our studio engineer, Brent, thank you.
Bryn:No problem, guys.
Reed:Thank you, Brent. Thank you. And, and Derek Hudson, always our leader and and reminder of, of all good things essential. Thank you. Derek?
Derek:Thank you. Do I get a say at this time?
Reed:Yeah. Well, I'll write all the two. I'm Reid McCollum, and you're a very handsome host, and now Derek is gonna
Bryn:say it.
Derek:Consider your quest.