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The Grind, hosted by business entrepreneur Eric James, is a talk show about local business professionals, entrepreneurs, politicians & people of interest, that chose to bet on themselves & embraced the daily hustle that we call the Grind.
#TheGrind, channels the stories behind successful individuals by exploring their ideology of what it takes to manifest a successful business in an ever changing economic, pollical and social media environment.
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Eric James 0:04
content of this program does not reflect the views or opinions of 91.5 Jazz and Moore, the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, or the Board of Regents of the Nevada System of Higher Education. Good morning, and welcome to The Grind. I'm your host extraordinaire, mr. Eric James. What is the Grind? Simply put, the grind is a half hour conversation that speaks to local business entrepreneurs and explores their take on where our local economy is heading, and asks them to tell us their own story of the sacrifices and work ethic that it takes to have a successful business. Good morning. Good morning, we're back. You didn't think I was going anywhere, did you? You know, I got this, and we're going to do this again. It's a beautiful Sunday morning out here, starting to get hot, that's the problem. It's starting to get hot. Base baseball season is in full swing, basketball playoffs are in play, and football's not here yet. That's my sport. But I got three more great guests for you. I know every month I keep throwing you off, you keep thinking that the show is going to slow down, but we're not going to stop. We're going to keep going, we're going to keep flowing, come keep banging it, and bring it out the park. I got three interesting gentlemen here today. Again, I don't know how I'm going to fit half an hour through all these gentlemen's stories in a half an hour, but we're going to, we're going to get to it and get at it. My first guest, mr. Abraham Arias, he is an interesting gentleman. Now, he.. I haven't known him that long, but I've gotten a chance to sit down and talk with him a few times. He serves on a board with me called VA Rep Veterans. We've had some other guests from the board on the show, because I'm trying to highlight them, maybe get them to like me, so they.. they know I'm not easy to get along with, but he's an interesting gentleman. Abraham, good morning to you. And tell me a little bit about yourself. Now I'm going to ask you specific questions, so don't give me the basics, because I'm going to talk about your upbringing in the Compton, going to Compton Elementary School, where, bro, I looked up some statistics. Currently, now it had to be different back when you were younger, but currently 53% African American, 35% his percent Hispanic, 7% Caucasian, four multiracial, and 1% Asian. Now, I have to imagine, and you and I have had shared a few stories growing up in a neighborhood predominantly African American, and back then, you know, Inglewood and Long Beach has changed a little bit since back in those days, but you're back then in them Compton days, it had to be rough as a Latino American growing up in a neighborhood that wasn't always friendly to you.
Abraham Arias 2:32
Good morning, I think it was probably more 97% African American, definitely seeing no Asian or Caucasians, so those were the demographics that I remember, about 97 96% African American, and 3% Latino.
Eric James 2:49
I remember you telling me a story once about you walking your brothers and sisters school past rough neighborhood individuals and happened to be that protective older brother, and I'm, I'm curious to know, does that protective nature still exist with you, with your own children? You talked about your, your baby this morning, woke up a little ill. I don't want you, not, I don't know what they call men, because they call women tiger moms or bear, you know, but does that protective nature of your siblings still exist within you,
Abraham Arias 3:21
absolutely, 100% and it's something that, being the oldest, it just something that it was natural to me to protect, and that story was almost every day, and it got to the point where I already seen the bullies coming, and it was run, let me fight them off for a little bit, and then I'll catch up to you, because I had to run myself, if not, I would have been on the floor, and I took a couple licks and just ran myself,
Eric James 3:45
so a little toughness, a little heart, I mean, that goes a long way when it comes to business, you know, I think a lot of individuals that come from rough backgrounds are able to take more of the pressures that come along with being a business person or business individual, and I think that helps you with the challenges when you've come from heart, and I think, and again, our second guest, Victor Ingram, I've known him for 30 years, and Jacob, I've had a chance to hear a little bit about your story, and I know you've had some rough times in your lifetime, so I think all three of my guests, and I guess I'll include myself. We've had some tough background upbringings, and I think that's part of what hashtag the grind is all about, is what has allowed you to succeed when others failed, and some of that grit, that grind, that hustle is what makes you who you are. Your father, you told me your bio tells me your father bought your first home when you were nine years old. Yes, and it says that there was a see, he gave me a Chat GPT, so I don't even know if he knows what it says. It says that there was a homeless man living in your backyard. Is that true? That's
Abraham Arias 4:51
100% true. And I did give you the Chat BT, Chat GPT, but I read it a couple times just to make sure that it was accurate. Yeah, we were living in. Fourplex in Compton, and in that fourplex we had three other families, so two, I mean, for a child of nine years old, having a whole bunch of cousins around, it was a dream, there was no play dates, it was just life. And then one day, my dad got home, and he's like, "We're moving. I said, "Where? He said, "I bought a house, and that's where we moved to Watts, 109th Street and Central, and there was a homeless man living in the backyard, and my dad had very, very limited English, so he's like, 'Tell him we just bought the house, that he has to leave. So I'm sitting there, nine years old, translating, like, 'Hey, my dad just bought this house, and he says, 'You gotta go. I would love to have dinner to see how that
Eric James 5:38
conversation. I wish
Abraham Arias 5:39
I was there,
Eric James 5:41
and I'm assuming it was a black man. How do you evict a brother that's been hatching out in this backyard? He's like, 'This is my place, I'm squatting
Abraham Arias 5:49
here for a minute.
Eric James 5:50
I don't know who you think you are. You told me your first job was at a grocery store. What did you do with your first paycheck?
Abraham Arias 5:59
I gave it to my mom. I gave it to my mom. Yep, it was.. it was an optional. So she took it. She's like, "Here's some gas money. The house needs this money. So good job.
Eric James 6:15
His mama said he had to pay tithes. You're gonna have to kick in on some rents and cable bills weekly for some black folks, that just means putting the cable bill in their kids, so the opposite, the opposite of
Abraham Arias 6:28
church is 9010 he gets 10 got an
Eric James 6:31
allowance back from his own paycheck. You drove an ice cream truck again. My point of my show is not where you're at now, because all of my guests are successful that I bring on the show, some I've had some multi millionaires and some very successful folks on the show. My job, I think, or what I've deemed as my job, is my show, so I can do what I want. But my job is to tell people where you came from and not where you're at now. Tell them where you came from and how you got there, so they can relate to you as a person, and why you should be the one they choose for whatever service or whatever thing that you do. You drove an ice cream truck, you know. I worked in nursing homes, I used to clean people's backsides, and I used to get put what they call, and they might have to bleed this out, row. So the old ladies that worked there would make me do the row where people were just incontinent all night, they didn't want to do it, so I was the new guy, and I went from room to room to room, and cleaned their butts, changed their diapers, changed their bed pans, because that's what I needed to do to pay for college to get through. Tell me about driving an ice cream truck.
Abraham Arias 7:33
So I was working the night shift at a grocery store, they actually just moved here about two or three years ago, that same chain is called Superior Grocery Stores. I was working from like nine to 5am and one of my friends had started driving a very popular chain of ice cream trucks in Lynnwood in California, and he was making about the same money I was making working this graveyard shift. So I asked him, "Hey, are they hiring? Because I can do that instead of sleeping, I can do that, and then go to work, because I don't work till nine, and he set me up with the owner, and the rest is history. I started working and making twice as much. My mom still took most of my paycheck.
Eric James 8:09
You weren't making it rain outside at ice out there, talking about get these popsicles, popsicles, but it sets, it sets this the backdrop or the foundation of your work as an entrepreneur. Now, I mean, that from a young age, from little, the fact that you remembered, because we didn't talk, I don't talk about my guests, what I'm going to ask them, I just take the bio and I create questions for him. He remembered and recalled it without a blink. That tells you that's a pivotal moment in his life, working hard, doing something like that keeps you humble, and I found the people that the most humblest, even though they're successful, are the ones that stay grounded, stay successful. Now, because we're short on time, I still got more questions for you, but you, you, you told me that every day of your life you learn two important lessons early, early on in your lifetime. Can you tell, tell the audience about what those two things are?
Abraham Arias 9:00
Work hard and not give up.
Eric James 9:02
Well, you stated it: have no fear, work for what you want.
Abraham Arias 9:05
Okay,
Eric James 9:05
and the message you also stated on there, simple: work hard, never quit, and make the most of your opportunities and sacrifice opportunities they sacrifice to create. Are you able to pass down those lessons to your children?
Abraham Arias 9:18
Absolutely. I teach them to the have no fear is a big one for me, because I think that's the common denominator between people in my industry, that people that rent and people that own homes. It's the fear of commitment, the fear of obligation, and if you get all the facts and you really analyze and aren't afraid, it makes a big impact in your life, not just for owning a home or renting, but just in life itself. If you take on the challenge and the task at hand without any fear, at least for me, it makes it a lot easier.
Eric James 9:49
Tell people what you do, real quick, and where they can find you.
Abraham Arias 9:52
I run a real estate team, and my phone number is 702-217-8435 I'm not on social. Media, but
Eric James 10:01
what's the name of your company or team?
Abraham Arias 10:02
My name is The Abraham Group, and I work with Epic Realty.
Eric James 10:06
And give him your phone number one more time:
Abraham Arias 10:08
702-217-8435
Eric James 10:12
All right, I'm gonna move on to my next guest, just to keep on track. Next guest, whoo, 30 years, me and his brother go way back, and we have a funny story that we probably won't get to this morning on how we really became friends over a fight, and a group of gentlemen was trying to get out and get in there, but we stepped in and equalized the numbers, but Victor S Ingram, I don't know what that stands for, after 30 years,
Victor Ingram 10:37
Superman, what does that stand for, Sean,
Eric James 10:40
30 years, I just learned something. All right, Victor.
Victor Ingram 10:45
Yes, sir.
Eric James 10:45
Good Lord, you have five degrees. Yes, you have a graduate certificate in project management, and from the University of San Diego, you have a postgraduate school of Monterey, California, postgraduate
Victor Ingram 10:55
certificate from the Monterey. I'm sorry,
Eric James 10:57
correction. See that when smart people, they want to correct you on your own show
Victor Ingram 11:01
naval postgraduate school,
Eric James 11:03
so your accolades are impeccable. You were a colonel in the military, served in the Marines, you served in the army, where I met you, because I was in the army as well. That's how we met at.. I don't remember if we met before or after, but we used to both play basketball at the base at Nellis Air Force Base, where we really kind of hooping it up and stuff, I used to break his ankles back in the day. Comedy, you have two Bronze Starred medals, you have four Meredith service medals, service medals, combat action badge, distinct. You have this distinguished queer, you were a Nevada Gaming Control Board officer for many years. You've owned multiple businesses. You own your own business now. All the accolades any person could walk into, which is rare from given your background. Again, I'm not going to go into everything about your background, because those are some sensitive issues that we've sat down over fires and a drink or two in a glass of whiskey, and talked about some of those tough upbringings that we both shared. I talk about my own, you know, my father used to tie us up when we were kids, you know, there was some, there was some, you know, stuff, but you work through whatever life gives you, but your accolades, your successes, and all those. What I do want to focus on some of your failures and how they taught you to be a better man and a better business person. So, the one I remember personally, and I won't call it a failure, it was a bump in the road. You owned a business, a TCBY, if I'm not mistaken, that's correct. And you struggled with that one. What did you learn from your struggles from your business?
Victor Ingram 12:40
Firstly, good morning, and thank you so much for having me on your show. I feel very honored and humbled to be here. But going back to the business that I bought, it was in 2000 Yes, it was in 2000 It was off of Rainbow, and the expressway was a TCBY, and it was a stale product and a poor location. And it was my first business. I bought it with my business partner, and we didn't do very much due diligence, so we owned this business, and the beginning it was decent, the cash flow was decent, and then 911 hit, and for some reason nobody wanted ice cream when the Twin Towers came down, I couldn't understand exactly why, but people weren't in an ice cream mood, so after that point it was just downhill from that point, and it was very rough. I was still working a full-time job at the same time, and running my business part-time, so I was not an owner who was there on the scene. I wasn't a present owner, so I was an absentee owner. Didn't do my due diligence, and did not know the business. So, I always say that was my first master's degree in business, because I made so many mistakes, but I was able to learn from the mistakes, and when we sold that business at about a $40,000 loss, I was like, okay, well, I had a master's that cost me $40,000 and what it did is it inspired me to find something else that I could be successful at, and immediately after closing that business, I started doing properties, I started buying rental properties, and 22 years later, my wife and I have a very decent portfolio, real estate portfolio, that we've managed to create a small amount of wealth for. So that's what I've learned from my experiences.
Eric James 14:11
So that going through that, looking back, you, you, why did you switch to a different business model? Because you came in, you bought a franchise, which is a whole different thing than property investment, and I was a realtor for several years. I'm a serial entrepreneur, so I have my board game sitting in front of me, which I decided I wanted to have a board game. I just decided one day to do, and I did it, just as a life experience. But property investment, I know personally it's been successful for you, but that's a big shift, not having a real estate background. What made you see that in the market, where others may have missed it?
Victor Ingram 14:46
I'm very passionate about properties, because I feel like what you can do there, there are few, there are very few things you can do to a person's life to have an indelible impact. One of those things, you give them a job, you give them a house, and I feel like by being. A property manager, a property owner renting out properties. I'm allowing someone to have a place to call a home, and that's kind of the business model my wife and I have. In terms of when it breaks, we fix it. We try to have controlled rents. We don't raise rents on a regular basis. We've had one tenant for about 15 years, and from what we understand, that tenant's gonna - a tenant is never going to leave that property because of the business relationship that we've established, so it's, it's an emotional thing for me to give a person a home, so I guess my passion kind of led me to be a property owner and a property manager.
Eric James 15:30
Fair enough. Now, both of my guests, as I said, like myself, served in the military, and Jacob, we'll get to some of yours in a moment. You had, and correct me if wrong, two deployments. How many deployments? Three, three deployments. And you saw when and where were you deployed at?
Victor Ingram 15:48
I did two to Iraq combat deployments and one to Afghanistan. I have seven high-level missions to South Korea, where I served on a four-star general staff.
Eric James 15:57
Obviously, man, we won't, you know, go into detail. You, when you deploy, you see certain side of human nature as a, as a person that works with people with mental health issues, and tell people what you do as well. How do you incorporate your own things that could be interpreted as PTSD or traumas into your, your therapy, therapy work?
Victor Ingram 16:19
Well, I'll make the connection first, after my three deployments. My last deployment was in 2012 Afghanistan. I was in the eastern side of Afghanistan, in the western side of Pakistan. And again, this was my third deployment. Everything else was dress rehearsal for this deployment. We got hit every day for about 10 months, where bombs were coming in, snipers, a lot of death, and that was kind of my, my plateau in terms of what I was able to handle mentally and emotionally, so I experienced a lot of PTSD. Spent about a year in therapy, went to the VA, and they were able to help me normalize a lot of the things that I had experienced, and I realized that I actually had a lot of trauma from my childhood, being in a neglectful home, drug addiction, horrible neighborhood, gangs, the whole thing. So I had a lot of trauma that I took to the military, and then going through combat kind of exact, exacerbated those, those situations. So, after my year in therapy, I figured, you know what, this has felt really good, maybe I could pay this back and become a therapist myself. So, I went back and got my master's degree in social work, became a therapist, and I've been doing that for the past 10 years.
Eric James 17:18
What's the name of your company, and where can people reach out if they want to get some information or talk with you.
Victor Ingram 17:25
Name of my company is Connections Mental Health Services, and I'm online. I have a website, you can get my telephone number on my email address from my website, but I'm very accessible. I deal primarily with trauma. I do a lot of work with men problems, male issues, low self-confidence, traumas, anxiety, depression, you name it, personality disorders. Men kind of deal with those things on a larger level than women,
Eric James 17:49
and I can attest to that, because I can't sit down with his brother and have a drink without him trying to therapy me. We're sitting there talking about, and I hear him starting to drop technical terms. Well, tell me, how does that make you feel, brother? The score, the Knicks are down 10 points. That makes me feel a certain way about things. That's my stress. My parlay cards, I feel a certain way about that. Counsel me on that. And then buy me another beer to go. All right, we're gonna keep a pace, gentlemen. I'm gonna come back to you for half time. I have a third guess. I told you that the half hour goes by so fast, and one of these days I gotta decide to do an hour in the show because I just don't get enough time to talk with everybody. Oh, but Victor, yes, you did not give me your phone number before I move over to Jacob. Tell him where your phone number,
Victor Ingram 18:38
702-277-0602
Eric James 18:41
Repeat that.
Victor Ingram 18:42
702-277-0602
Eric James 18:45
All right. For my third guest now, sir. I have not known you very long personally, but like, like Victor, mr. Ingram, I was born in Las Vegas, same as him. And for folks of color of our age, that's fairly rare, but I remember your commercials, for whatever reason, as far back as I can remember your commercials, because whatever was it connected to folks of color, the style of your clothing and suit. Now, you folks can't see this man is dressed impeccably today, he is sharp, and I knew he would come clean, because that's just how he rolls, and you can't have a suit store or be a do what he does without coming clean, so I knew he was going to represent, but I remember you from way back, your commercials being on so vicariously, I guess I felt like I knew a little bit about you, but getting getting your, your bio in, you were born and raised in Lebanon, and you were in the Lebanese forces during the during a civil war, you were wounded multiple times, you migrated to Detroit, which is a whole nother possible combat zone. Abraham Compton back in the day, and Watts, so everybody grew up with a little bit of rough skin. Your story is phenomenal to how you became a successful entrepreneur and clothing store. You are a powerful. Pastor, how was that? Explain that journey. Oh, and I remember we got a chance to sit and talk about how you suited several mobsters, and I'm not sure how much you want to say on that, because we're on radio. But tell us a little about yourself. You speak five languages. I'm just so impressed with you, sir. Tell me about your journey.
Jacoby 20:18
Good morning, and thank you for having me. First of all, and I'm grateful and thankful, and also honored and humbled that you know we can just let the world.. I don't think we have enough time, but anyway, but just try to keep as short as possible. Where do you want me to start? Well, okay, so
Eric James 20:34
growing up in Lebanon and joining the Lebanese army,
Jacoby 20:38
yes, Lebanese forces, which is the Christian forces, it's a civil war, so that's kind of like 1973 started, and then 1975 became the full blown and split that happened, army divided into all four parts, it went to Christian, Muslim, Sunni, Shia, and then also the Jerseys, so separation all throughout, and then I'm Armenian on top of that, it was not just a Lebanese Christian, I'm Armenian, Lebanese Christian. So we're kind of like in limbo, they're going, okay, what's going on? What's this war? We got nothing to do with anything, but some way, somehow, depending on what neighborhood you live, just like my esteemed colleagues here, and the gentleman, depending on your neighborhood, so depending on what neighborhood you were, so you don't have a choice, so started right around 13 years old. That's when they threw the AK 47 to my hands, and I caught it, and they said, "Okay, get on the jeep. So that's my recruitment, basically. So then from there, the training, and then the combat zone at 14. By the time I was 15, I was already wounded. I was sent to Israel in kibbutz, and got trained by the Israeli IDF, Israel Defense Forces. So, my training is through them, and then came back and continued fighting, because they're the ones supporting the Christians, while the Palestinians were doing their thing. The Syrian government came in, Syrian army, supposedly to peacekeep. Instead, they sided with the other side, so it was just a chaos,
Eric James 22:01
so your time, and like mr. Ingram, PTSD, I mean, your pastor does, does your history in the military influence or reflect in how you communicate and try to heal others through your pastoral work?
Jacoby 22:17
100% because I'm also like my brother here, then, for a couple of mental hospitals, I'm their spiritual advisor, so besides, I do also prison ministry, jail ministry, and hospice ministry. So, my focus is most, a lot of it is the mental in, and I also had 15 years, almost 13 years of homeless ministry that I did every week at the right in front of my store, Tropicana Valley View, that everybody knows her, so I wanted to change that image from what you known from the days of the store of the commercials, get
Eric James 22:50
one soup free, it was always get one suit free, but you know, but the
Jacoby 22:53
commercials, so the image would change that from that to into having the whole parking lot turn into a ministry to the homeless and doing the service and feeding, and so on, and so forth, and which we did a weekly for about 13 years, until the city of Las Vegas decided to expand and threw us out, and now we're on Sahara, but anyway, that secondary story, and but that plays a big role for what I do, because of what I've been through, and what I endured, and what I survived, so when you know I'm compassionate at the same time, a little bit going, I'm like, listen, I come from a harder background, and I did not even speak English, and I came to America, and if I can make it, you can make it. I mean, we can all do this, we just have to focus on that, you know, everybody wants to play the victim. Unfortunately, so many people in the world today, especially out there, you know, they're homeless, they're hurt, they're even the VAs, you know, our brothers, you know, they're, you know, because I was also in the US military, and I'm sure you go in there next, but they're hurting because they came back from deployments or whatever, and then they kind of like lost, they're stuck in the middle, they don't know where to go. They just let it be a little bit of guidance, and they also need encouragement. Encouragement is that, listen, I didn't - English is my fifth language, and so if I can do it, anybody can.
Eric James 24:10
I think that's testament, because obviously we all know, and we - I don't get too political on the show. I've had politicians, and I've invited politicians from both sides. Just had Aaron Ford, who's running for governor on the show a couple months ago, other folks, but right now they've just funded more money for border patrol and immigration reform, and I have two successful guests that are immigrants, immigrant stories, Abraham, your family migrate to the United States, we talked about that, that success of what this country is supposed to be about, from the Statue of Liberty to Ellis Island, is the immigrant story, and I think sometime we lose sight, and you focus on folks that on the bottom scale that are struggling, not on the folks that have made the American dream or the opportunities here and made success through those struggles and. And I think that's part to me of what hashtag the grind is, is whatever you came from, whether you're born here and went through a family of drug, alcoholism, or, or myself, like I said, I share my story, my father took a shotgun to his head when I was 23 years old, and my mother died at 26 I was a youth in Vegas on the streets trying to figure out how to
Jacoby 25:20
sort of
Eric James 25:21
not be a statistic that drive that barriers, and you're an intelligent man, from, you know, your bio. You went to Western High School in Detroit, correct? I went to Western High School in Las Vegas. You guys were the, in, you guys were the Cowboys, we were the Warriors, and so Cowboys and Indians type things. So I found that funny, and even though we're running out of time, but that still shapes who you are as a person, as an individual, and I tell my children, I told my son this every day, everybody's crazy, everybody in the entire world is crazy, we're dealing with hormones, enzymes, chemicals, alcohol, drugs, everybody's crazy and trying to deal with their stuff, and your story from where you came, you could have been such a different individual that anger or that that you could internalize some of that violence that you were over born in and around and been different people and that's the choice of who you are as a person and who you want to be so I do want people to know where they can find your ministry and also your business so tell me, where people can contact you at,
Jacoby 26:22
real quick. You're absolutely correct. This country is built on immigrants, so unless you're American Indian or American Native Americans, we want to call it the rest of us are all immigrants or descendants of some immigrants, whether grandparents, great grandparents. Everyone in America is an immigrant. So, this is what makes this country what it is. It's all of us combined is a melting pot, that's one, and I forgot what the next one. Where can I get a hold business? In your men, my business, Jacoby's Men's Fashions, it's 2800 West Sahara. Now it's across from Ball Station, it's Jacoby 702 dot com. It's our website, so you can get all the information, and the ministry is 777 god.com So I don't know how I got that, that's that's the Lord Triple Seven god.com so it's kind of God, so 777 God calm. I have hundreds and hundreds of videos, you can follow me teaching the word of God from Genesis to Revelation, verse by verse, chapter by chapter. We go on live on Facebook and YouTube, we have YouTube channel. Also, my business has both of those, and.. and I don't know which one to tell you, but our phone number at the business is 702 And are you going to ask me that next? 8959660 said 702-895-9660
Eric James 27:36
I like, I like the 777 God, I mean, what. what better fits Las Vegas? Yes, that would
Jacoby 27:43
jackpot, God's number, and if you, if you
Eric James 27:47
find the Lord, you don't found the jackpot, and absolutely, that was the whole
Jacoby 27:51
point. And then, so that's that's the Lord granted it to us. I don't know how nobody took that, because everything seven seven sevens taken,
Eric James 27:58
gentlemen. I got about 30 seconds, and again the show goes by again. I say I have to turn this into an hour, because I could have done, like I said, a half an hour easily on each one of you gentlemen and your story, but I always want to thank my guests, because you're busy business people, you're out there creating a difference in our community and with the lives of your own children and the lives of other people that you minister or that you influence, and I want to tell you, thank you for coming on my show today. I hope to have each one of you back, and so we can talk more, because I only got to a quarter of the questions on each one of you, and I feel like I'm reminiscing in my own not being able to give you more of what you should have to put you on the platform. So, gentlemen, thank you for coming on. It is my name is Eric James. This is hashtag the grind, hashtag the grind, hashtag grind. We're out. Thanks for listening to the grind again. My name is Eric James. We hope that today's show was two parts entertaining with a dash of education. Feel free to reach out to me at my office at 702-836-0953 and remember to always stay on your grind.
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