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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So COVID-nineteen ushered in a new era of digital surveillance and technological invasion of our freedoms, even down to our DNA. But what's really behind this relentless push for innovation, artificial intelligence, virtual reality, gene editing, and the merging of man and machine? Is this the beginning of the beast system we've long warned you about?
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Speaker 1:Alright. On to today's show. Let's go ahead and welcome our guest today, mister Rob Counts, I've been waiting for a while for this interview. Rob Counts, thank you so much for joining us today.
Speaker 2:Seth, it's an honor to be here. Thanks so much. You and I go way back, so this is probably the most fun thing we could be doing right now. And just to correct you, not that I didn't love your introduction to me, but I wouldn't call myself an expert really on anything except, know, something you and I would laugh at, like nachos or something. So we're really looking at doing the hard work of the research and trying to find things out just like everyone else.
Speaker 2:That's why I really respect your show. And I think that's kind of how all of this started because Edge of Wonder, which is where I'm coming from, basically, we've been doing it for a few It's been a crazy ride, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, has been. So I'll give a little bit of a background and then I'll let you elaborate a bit, Rob. So Rob and I have known each other for quite some time, probably well over a decade. We worked in the media together and did a lot of things and tried to keep ourselves out of trouble. And I have to say that it was Rob and his co host Ben that really encouraged me to step out and put myself out there as Man in America.
Speaker 1:They had built an extremely successful show called Edge of Wonder, and they were the under the thumb, under the thumb of the communist censorship that we're seeing within big tech these days. So, Rob, why don't you give us a little bit of background into Edge of Wonder and basically what happened to you guys? Like what happened to Edge of Wonder?
Speaker 2:Yeah, sure. I'll try to keep this short and sweet, but we started Edge of Wonder in January of twenty eighteen. And at the time we were just really curious about just digging into topics that the mainstream media seemed to refuse to dig into. We think people should be able to talk about anything, any kind of subject without being framed as a conspiracy theorist or put into a bucket of shame for actually genuinely wanting to find out the truth about things, right? And so we kind of just started Edge of Wonder just simply asking people to do their own research and think for themselves.
Speaker 2:And within a year we had about 390,000 subscribers. So we had about close to 500,000 subscribers soon after. January of twenty nineteen, a year later, YouTube started censoring any YouTube channels that were actually doing the work and looking into things. We stayed at 390,000 subscribers almost nearly for a year, it was a little bit more. And then eventually it started to kind of go up.
Speaker 2:But during that entire year, we were getting messages from people saying that they were being unsubscribed from YouTube. They didn't understand why they had to re subscribe. I mean, you name it. I mean, it doesn't make any sense. We were getting about 60,000 subscribers per month.
Speaker 2:And then all of a sudden, just flat line like that and then people get unsubscribed. Obviously there was something going on behind the scenes there. Like we're not stupid. And so at that point we kind of knew that YouTube was basically had put us into these blacklists of channels that really were, I guess in their mind saying too much or getting too close to the truth, of course, my perspective. And so this went on for a while and we had no community guidelines strikes at all.
Speaker 2:We were completely in YouTube's good graces. We had conversations with YouTube all the time. If we did something that they didn't like, we tried to work with them, just be human beings about the whole thing and discuss and all of this. Just one morning, Ben and I were together, we looked looked and channel had been completely eradicated. And what's really interesting is that that morning I had in hand the New York Post where the Hunter Biden laptop story had just been dropped.
Speaker 2:So on the morning that that story dropped, our YouTube channel of almost 500,000 subscribers was wiped off the face of the earth. Luckily we still had Rise.tv which is where guys like you and I do our work now for the rough stuff, the stuff that is behind a paywall so that we have kind of more autonomy on actually publishing what we can. Of course, we need to be careful because Big Tech kind of digs into everything. They have their algorithms looking through everything, but it does definitely feel like a blessing and a safer place to be doing this kind of research. But been hard.
Speaker 2:I still get recognized on the street a lot out here in Texas. People will see me and they'll be like, dude, what happened to Magic Wonder? And I kinda have to explain all of this. So yeah, we've been doing some hardcore research for a really long time. A lot of similar subjects that that you've been covering on Man in America.
Speaker 2:I'm a big fan of Man in America. Love what you're doing here. Love what happened last year during the election. Excellent. Great.
Speaker 2:Actually, you
Speaker 1:you Rob, you were the person I talked to when when Trump shared the plot to seal America. I got a few texts, but you were the person that actually called me. And Yeah. That's conversation that
Speaker 2:morning. Was kind of like, dude, do you realize what happened? That was so great. That was not of the like, you and I have been working together for a really long time, but the things that we've been working on, was probably like one of the greatest things that's ever happened, right? Like just the enormity of it.
Speaker 2:And I just, I love it. I love what you've been doing. The editing you've been doing is fantastic. I love your audience. They're just such just sweet people, like just great Americans.
Speaker 2:So thank you for having me. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Oh, of course. Of course. And I'll say as a quick thing is that Rob is is trend his transmission is coming from maybe off world somewhere. So if there's any kind of bandwidth issues, Rob might be in a in a secret bunker, you know, filming this. So apologies for that.
Speaker 1:It's just yeah. It seems that sometimes when we're doing these more important things that you have these random occurrences where the Internet all of sudden doesn't work very well or there's bandwidth issues, which doesn't make sense, especially this day and age when we've all got high speed Internet. So I guess Yeah. We'll apologize in advance for that. If if if anything cuts out, I'll just ask you to repeat yourself again.
Speaker 1:So
Speaker 2:Yeah. Sure. Did anything cut out there? I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:No. Actually, no. It was good. No. Was actually it was good.
Speaker 1:It got a little blurry at times, but it's still you.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Okay. Good. Sorry about that, you guys at home.
Speaker 1:Yep. So well, basically, yeah. So Rob and and his partner Ben cohost had built what was edge of wonder. Tv, which then eventually became Rise TV when I joined, and we said, hey, how can we take this to a much broader audience? And we did the rebrand and got through all that together.
Speaker 1:Now we're just going full steam ahead on it. So and so part of this is, you know, you just released a four part series on transhumanism on Rise TV, and you were also on Bannon, Bannon's War Room recently. Right? Is that I remember seeing you guys on there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was our first time on Bannon War Room. A couple of his editors kind of caught that we had just published a new series on this. They were very interested because it's intersecting with a lot of their work right now. And so they had us on to talk about this. And I think also Bannon, I mean, wow, what a smart guy, right?
Speaker 2:Like he's a laser. Like when you talk to him and listen to him, he's just really on top of things, really knows how to run a show, super into tradition, like very cool place to be and talk about something like transhumanism. And had us on and we were able to kind of like start to get into some of the actual fact revolved around the history of humanism goes back easily one hundred years or more. So yeah, was a blessing to be there too. That was great.
Speaker 2:And yeah, I would love to be on Bannon again. But to be honest, it's even better to be on here with you.
Speaker 1:Thank you. Well, how about what we do is, because I think that the the trailer you guys put together for your transhuman series, I think, really introduces transhumanism pretty well. And, like, I I was talking to my mom my mom this morning and saying, oh, we're covering transhumanism. She's like, what's transhumanism? So I think that it's one of these things that it's a buzzword now and people are hearing about it.
Speaker 1:And so what I wanna do is we'll show the trailer, and then I wanna have a conversation really about what is Did
Speaker 2:you tell your mom that it was the that it was the technological wing of communism?
Speaker 1:Basically, yeah. I I told her it was rooted in a satanic and luciferian and
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:Okay. Marxism. And she's she's heard all this a lot from me. So she's like, oh, okay. That makes sense.
Speaker 1:So we'll show the trailer, then I wanna talk a little bit about what transhumanism is, how it's is emerging in our world, what the plan is for that. But then I also wanna go into some of the more spiritual aspects of transhumanism because a lot of people have talked about how the jab is the mark of the beast, and it's it's the beast system, and how, you know, eventually we're gonna need something that's either on our on our, you know, on our wrists or our forehead to buy and sell. And there's a lot of things that are happening now that strangely point to a lot of what was said in Revelations. And so we'll get into that. But how about now let's go ahead and show the the trailer because this is a great introduction to what transhumanism is.
Speaker 2:Let's do it.
Speaker 3:Art ape. Art human hybrid, cyborgs and terminator technology, already existing, sentient robots becoming indistinguishable from people. No. It's not the plot of the new Matrix movie. This is our reality, a transhumanist one.
Speaker 3:How does transcending humanism tie into eugenics, Darwinism, and even cloning? Is there any part of our world that transhumanism hasn't touched? Is resistance futile? How can we rage against the machine?
Speaker 1:That's a pretty epic trailer. So Rob, why don't you know, for someone that doesn't really know much about transhumanism or just starting to hear it, how would you summarize what it is and where it's headed?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, it's actually quite complicated. It's not really what people think. Mean, okay. So what transhumanism is, is human beings trying to accelerate the evolution of mankind through technology. Now, the thing is that it's a very complicated subject because you're talking about this kind of starting as far back as like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein when all of that stuff was going on.
Speaker 2:When the book came out, this was already on people's minds way back in the day. But how it kind of manifests now is anything from altering DNA, nanobots, we're talking about like technological human integration, basically. So anything that would allow man to go beyond their current state, which I believe you and I believe is perfect. It was created this way for a reason by the divine, right? So anything like that would be kind of bucketed into transhumanism, the kind of progress that humans want to force on us.
Speaker 1:Basically, am I correct in understanding that it's rooted in a in a belief, which is what my my research has led me to believe is that it's rooted in this belief of evolution, and where basically the evolutionary belief is that eventually mankind can evolve into immortality, evolve into into the divine. And so the people that believe in transhumanism, Klaus Schwab or some of the folks like that, if you listen to them talk about it, it's almost as if there's this belief that, you know, through the use of technology, through gene editing, through all these things that they can advance the human being into a state of immortality, which whereas, you know, a more traditional belief or what I believe, as you mentioned, is that the human body is already a miracle of God, and it's not our responsibility to edit it. And I think it's very dangerous to get in there and try to edit things. It's like if I if I'm a kid and I'm trying to, you know, work on my car and I start just unplugging things and plugging things in the engine, bad things are bound to happen. Like, so
Speaker 2:Yeah. Imagine imagine how devastating it could be to tamper with the atomic bomb. Right? That would be a pretty pretty bad idea. Right?
Speaker 2:This is like exponentially worse because we're talking about human beings and our lack of understanding of you. We don't even know what's at the bottom of the oceans. We can't even research what's at the bottom of the oceans. And we think we're smart enough to actually change human beings didn't go that well in Jurassic Park. I mean, of course, like we're talking about a movie, right?
Speaker 2:But the way that that movie communicated the plight of man to try to do these things was actually really brilliantly done. That's why Jurassic Park was so widely accepted and such a brilliant movie. So I think what we have to understand too, is that when you're talking about transhumanism, you can't unravel it from evolution, just as you said. But the problem intrinsically with that is that at the very beginning, it was the communists pushing evolution. It was Marx who found Darwin originally.
Speaker 2:No one wanted to listen to Darwin at the beginning. No one thought that that was a valid idea necessarily that human beings could evolve from single cell organisms into what we are today. There were so many people that were just like, that's ridiculous. Look how complicated nature and the universe is, totally impossible without some kind of guided design. And so here we are where you have the same guys that coined transhumanism.
Speaker 2:Julian Huxley coined the term transhumanism. And he's the one that's referencing the Peking Man to make his point. And the Peking Man was totally a communist psychological operation to tell people in China that the dawn of man started in China. Because what country doesn't like to think that they're the best, that they're the top. And I mean, well in Germany, didn't it?
Speaker 2:When you a group of people that are willing to get behind an idea like that, I mean, is what the communists were pushing. And the reason for that is because if you can replace God with atheism, well, now you've made communism people's God. Now it's your father. You were birthed by communism, right? And that's just obviously a ridiculous notion, but that's the level at of brainwashing that we're currently at here in the world right now.
Speaker 2:And transhumanism largely was built around these topics that you cannot separate from eugenics. And we've all heard about eugenics. We've heard about the dangers of eugenics, like crowd control basically, right? Population control, trying to tinker with how humans develop. I mean, Margaret Sanger was a huge evolutionist and she's the one that pushed planned parenthood.
Speaker 2:There is a big bag of cats revolved around transhumanism really. It's a huge subject and not a lot of people are looking at it from the historical standpoint. I'm a strong believer that whenever a topic like transhumanism comes up, you have to dig into where it came from. Who were the people that coined it? If you do this with the new age movement, or if you do this with something like the term, the law of attraction or something like that, you come across very scary things.
Speaker 2:We've done episodes on these things. So if you don't, if we as human beings don't do the research that basically goes down to the origin of where these things originally came from, it's very hard to understand what they're doing now because you don't have necessarily the context to be able to handle that amount of information.
Speaker 1:Which is kinda interesting because something that I've learned just through studying communism is that most isms have their roots in communism. Was only actually, it was just now in this conversation I realized like, oh, yeah, transhumanism. Right. Look at feminism, environmentalism, progressiveism, globalism, all these things that have their communist roots. So I think that when a lot of people think you know, transhumanism, they might think, you know, the Terminator, Klaus Schwab, Elon Musk, Neuralink.
Speaker 1:But through your research, what are some of the indicators? What are some signs that you've seen that the transhumanism push? I mean, does it relate back to the Chinese Communist Party, which I believe to be one of the biggest pushers of the global communist agenda right now?
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. Well, just recently, I can't remember the name of this law, and it was in Chinese anyway, originally, but there was a law that was pushed in China that they would have full access to all data revolved around transhumanism, believe, or artificial intelligence. And this goes for companies in China and companies that, like any company in China. So even if you're an outside company, they would automatically demand all of the research. So now, like think about how many companies we have over in China because big American companies that exist in Silicon Valley don't have their heads on straight, do not understand the threat that is the Chinese Communist Party and have their companies creating things like the iPhone over there.
Speaker 2:Well, now the Chinese Communist Party has access to all of their research and information. This is the same Chinese Communist Party that is pushing the social credit system over there right now. I mean, Elon Musk has recently said that we're already basically cyborgs because we're using iPhone so much. Because of how we use technology, it's like you can't separate your life from those. None of us know how to garden anymore.
Speaker 2:Like we're out here just like, what is whatever on our phone? Any time we need to know anything, I'm guilty of that. Sure you are too. Yeah, it's the Chinese Communist Party. People need to think for a moment, why is it that when we're at the state that we're currently at right now in the world where people understand clearly that fascism is bad and yet we have a theory, a philosophy like communism still existing in China.
Speaker 2:How is that even possible unless it's the most evil, deceitful, insane regime on the entire planet. How they lie, how they take advantage of the West. I mean, the epic times has been reporting on this for years, years. And if you follow guys over there like Josh Phillip, you can easily see like everything that they're doing and the army literally army of hackers that steal all of our intellectual property over here so that they can build whatever it is they want and weaponize it against the free world. Luckily, I mean, China can't build a thing.
Speaker 2:Everything they build breaks. Right? So that's like the only thing we have going for us. Like there's a lot of smart people over there, but they cannot get their processes together. Like this is, they're great at making things at Meaning like being the factory of the world somehow works for them because it's cheap labor, I guess.
Speaker 2:And it's really just Apple doing all of the processes as an example. But like when they actually go to make something themselves, most of the time it fails. Like there are no Chinese brands for a reason. Right? We go we look in Asia, we look at Japan for branding.
Speaker 2:Right? Or brands like strong brands or South Korea. Correct.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. And so Probably the only international Chinese brands you think of is Huawei and you immediately think it's spyware, right? It's like, okay, 1000000%.
Speaker 2:Right. The five gs networks that Trump was trying to avoid bringing into The States were all Huawei, very dangerous, complete operation revolved around surveillance. That's all it was.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I wanna share a little bit of my understanding of where this might go to. I wanna hear your thoughts on it because as I've pieced together the story of what this looks like, if you're looking at the the great reset, you're looking at the globalist, the CCP, their end goals, without getting into anything about deep depopulation or those which are a little more difficult to kind of dive into quickly. It's a pretty deep conversation. It's like I understand that that what technocracy does is for a lot of people, it seems like it's the way of the future, like, you know, Facebook metaverse, etc.
Speaker 1:It seems like we're going to use technology to solve mankind's problems, which seemed to seem to never work that way since the technology just creates more problems. But as I understand it, when you know what the population is that the size of what's on this world that the CCP, the elites, the globalists, etc, you know, their end goal is to have complete control over humanity. And because there's so many of us and so few of them, it's not like they could colonize and have guards and all those things to enslave people. They actually have to use technology to do that. And so I as I understand it, the the transhumanism push is the Trojan horse for that because right now, I'm a sovereign individual.
Speaker 1:I can go walk outside and I can, you know, grow a garden. I can feed my chickens. I can go shoot a gun. They don't have any control over that. But basically, my as I understand it, that what the transhumanism pushes is that that technocracies, it starts with a social credit score, right, which we've seen unroll in China, where now they're they're affecting your ability to purchase food or get a loan for a house, or even to say adopt a child based upon how you interact in society.
Speaker 1:Whereas eventually, you know, that could become something where if you're speaking out against him, you know, your your power to your house shuts off. Right? So it's all these these transhumanism is all these things to use to control us, whereas, like, that's just through our smartphones. Right? So if China can have a social credit score that they can prevent, you know, stop you from being able to feed your family or get a job or use public transportation, it's like what happens when they've now got a chip inside of your brain that they can use their satellite network or their five g network to control that, or to monitor your thinking?
Speaker 1:Or so like, for me, what I see all this leads to is the end goal of basically using technology to create a technocracy, which technocracy is the definition I wasn't sure of, you know, a couple of months or a few years back until I researched it, which is basically it's enough technology to control people, whereas those who control the technology control everyone that's under that technology. And so that's why I think I understand to be their end goal, but through your research, where do you see things heading if their goal goes as they want it to be, which I don't believe will happen, which we can talk about that, but where does this all head?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, you really laid it out there. I mean, very well said. I mean, is a complicated situation. And the reason why I say that is because there really are, just like you can be a really good doctor amidst a lot of indoctrinated doctors out there that are just doing things to make a buck or whatever, there are some people out there that really believe that technology can help human beings and they want to push that forward. They wanna push that science forward.
Speaker 2:Like regardless of what you say about their character, like this is what drives their work, right? There is that, but where it gets dicey is things. One is a steam engine train that cannot be stopped. It's going in a certain direction. It would take a long time to stop it.
Speaker 2:It's like, can't really just put something in front of it and it's going to just like shut down. And there's a few reasons for that. One is it makes a lot of money. Technology is the future because technology largely is industry, is a lot of different industries and it makes a lot of money. So there's a reason to push for technology to get better, to have the newest gadget, to compete with your competitors on a, even just a simply capitalist, in a capitalist market, do this, right?
Speaker 2:So those things drive these industries forward because everybody wants to get ahead of everyone else. And I mean, largely what we saw was just a couple of months ago is that Facebook made a very big move. They made a very big move to change their entire company over to the word meta short for metaverse. Their goal is to own the metaverse because they see unstoppable that that becomes the future. What we all saw in Ready Player One, if you guys at home have seen that movie, is an inevitable future that we're all moving towards.
Speaker 2:And they wanna put their flag in the sand and say, we own this. But there are other reasons for that. It's because everybody knows that once Apple comes out with their headset, which they are gonna do probably in November, that it's going to change the face of VR and AR and XR completely. And that Apple very easily will own all of the hardware. Well, who's going to own the space in which everybody does things, the space in which people sell things, the space in which people communicate.
Speaker 2:I think Facebook is irrelevant because Facebook wants, they don't wanna become irrelevant. Facebook is already irrelevant. They're constantly struggling with this every day, I believe. And from insiders that I've talked to, this is the case. They're constantly needing to figure out how not to become irrelevant because just like Myspace, something else can come in and completely take over like the metaverse, right?
Speaker 2:So like in terms of that, it's a very good example. Now, the reason why this discussion is relevant to what you just asked is because we're talking about gigantic ideas. We're talking about gigantic spaces and industry that somebody at the top owns and controls and or is making legislation for, that all trickles down to us. Regardless of whether you think you're gonna be taken over tomorrow, look at what big tech has done. Look at what big tech has done over the last year, four years, even in 2016.
Speaker 2:If you look at Doctor. Robert Epstein's research about how much Google swayed votes over to Hillary Clinton just by simply using their algorithm, it's actually extremely scary, So imagine what they would do with us with a headset on or a chip in our arm. We don't know necessarily what the people at the top want or what they're planning or what their true intentions are. I mean, just to say it simply, you and I maybe you'd be more cynical about that if we were having a personal conversation, not on YouTube right now. But just if you're just trying to understand the landscape of this, it pretty much starts there.
Speaker 2:Who controls this technology? People don't even control science. I mean, what, a couple of weeks ago, Joe Biden says that he follows the science and that Fauci is the science. So is Fauci the president of The United States? Like, I don't know, right?
Speaker 2:Like Fauci is definitely in the most influential position in science right now, controlling everything that happens with the pandemic that honestly, none of us really believe anymore. No one wants to get home anymore. People don't believe what's really going on. I don't think. So just, I mean, it's a very complicated situation.
Speaker 1:You made a really good point because if you look at big tech, so it's like, okay, if we're pushing for this with the transhumanist agenda, right? So we have Facebook with metaverse. You have all these other companies getting into. I imagine Google's gonna have their place in it.
Speaker 2:Well, look at Tesla with their Neuralink, right?
Speaker 1:Exactly. But if you look at these big tech companies, it's like, okay, what makes you think that they're not going to use their technology to control people even more? Right? Because if you look at the past four years, you're right, like they've showed their cards. It's almost like, you know, you've got this brand new car and your neighbor who's an alcoholic has borrowed your past three cars and wrecked them.
Speaker 1:And now they're like, oh, can I drive your new car? It's like, you've spent the past four years showing me I can't trust you with this. Like, why would I give you, like, the best car I've ever owned? And I I feel like that's what's happening with this technology. It's like like Facebook, you've shown me over the past four years how you are not like you have they've consistently sided with the globalist with communism against free speech.
Speaker 1:Right? Even the the, you know, they they've canceled there's a performing arts group Shen Yun, which is exposed it's you know, their tagline is China before communism, and they expose communism. It's banned in China, yet Facebook is banning their advertisements and not allowing you to share their content, which is it's like, it's
Speaker 2:just Well, and that shows you the tentacles of the Chinese Communist Party into our existence, into a free country. That's not right at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Oh, not at all. So it's like, so what makes you think that Facebook is going to take the metaverse and, you know, after we're all living inside of it and not have, right, agent Smiths running around enforcing the CCP's will on people?
Speaker 2:Right. Yeah. Like all of a sudden, Facebook is just gonna become magnanimous and benevolent towards different beliefs out there. They claim to be, but anything that goes against whatever their agenda is, they call hate and then they kick you off. I mean, imagine that, let's say the future world does exist in the metaverse.
Speaker 2:You go to work in the metaverse, like all of that stuff. I'm not saying that's gonna happen. I'm just saying, what if it did? And then you post something on a personal chat and they just kick you out of the metaverse. Like really?
Speaker 2:It's ridiculous. And of course it's much more serious than that. We're talking about adding in cybernetic parts to human beings. I mean, like actually changing a human being to try to force immortality, well, for who? Who's that really for?
Speaker 2:And why would we want that in a sense? Like if the natural world is not structured that way, human beings I mean, look, human beings have been looking for immortality since the dawn of time. Like this is not a new venture. They're just trying it with science now rather than something like holy Mysticism or religion even. And it's not that religion is bad.
Speaker 2:Well, I have some thoughts on religion itself just because there's some not so good things going on in the Catholic church right now and things like that. But people's beliefs is a very personal thing to them as you know me. But I think that these things can be very easily taken over. Like we don't really know what's going on in the Vatican, a creepy new building that they just built that looks like a cobra and then it looks like it's Lucifer and that thing instead of Jesus. We've got a lot of issues, a lot of gigantic organizations that have absolutely been infiltrated.
Speaker 2:The bigger it gets, the more that these oligarchs of the world, the big banking oligarchs are kind of like in control of a lot of these things. So, I mean, again, it's like, you're really gonna put parts into yourself like or Neuralink into yourself where you have no idea. Like you could just all of a sudden wake up somewhere and you didn't know what you did. We don't know how this works. I mean, is very scary or you can get shut down.
Speaker 2:I mean, absolutely, if big tech is trying to control things based off of their globalist agenda behind the scenes, there is no way that we can't assume that's going to happen with transhumanism.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree. Well, something I wanna talk about here, which is kind of how I presented the overall episode is that, a lot of this gets in and what to be a little more careful with how we talk about the, you know, right? A lot of people believe yeah. A lot of people believe that the jab is the mark of the beast because, right, in the Bible, it talks about how you you need this mark on your on your, you know, your wrist or your forehead to buy or sell, which we're seeing that happen. We're seeing in countries like Australia, where if you don't have your passport, you can't go to the to the store to purchase something.
Speaker 1:And so there's a lot of people that are saying, is this the mark of the beast? Because which which is looking as I understand, like that mark is in a lot of ways what determines the fate of your soul. Like, that's a serious thing. It's not getting a tattoo. It's like if you get this thing, and it is that mark of the beast, like, you're not in a good position.
Speaker 1:Right? You're you're kind of slated for elimination in a lot of ways. And so a lot of people are looking at the at the jab and saying, is this it? And, you know, I've talked about this in some of my speeches before. It's something I have some foreign thoughts on, but I want to see based on the research that you've done, because I know that you've you've always done a very good job of bridging the spiritual, the philosophical, the scientific, the metaphysical into one idea.
Speaker 1:But what are your thoughts on that? Like if someone goes and they get it because they have to keep their job to protect their family, is that something that's gonna really doom their soul?
Speaker 2:Yeah. I think God's a little smarter than that between you and I. Think if Imagine if it was as simple as an injection that you got that made you unsavable in God's eyes, I think we'd be living in a pretty shallow universe. I don't think it necessarily happens that way. Think if mean, it's been said in ancient book in history that one's heart is what's looked at.
Speaker 2:I mean, almost without exception, what you do, what you've done, how you act, and also that changes for everyone. It's somebody getting the jab for just purely selfish purposes to make a boatload of money and they're also simultaneously a murderer probably has a little bit of a different future than someone who's just like, you know what, I'm gonna have to take the hit for my family right now. And I pray to God that this all goes well and they don't remove their faith at the end of the day. Those are two completely different situations. I think that's very important to to recognize.
Speaker 2:The other thing that I wanna say is that is when you're looking at something like something very physical, like the jab, you can't just look at it. You have to look at what's behind right? What actually is that pushing really, right? I mean, if you go to a place like China, they may think very differently, especially someone who's clear in China may think very differently about what the mark of the beast is because unless you are a part of the Chinese Communist Party and you are buying into the Chinese Communist Party, you can't can't do many of the things that you just said. And it is the technology and the social credit system that is supporting that belief system.
Speaker 2:So you have the belief system and then you have the physical thing that's pushing it, right? You can't necessarily say physical thing that's pushing it is the thing that's going to make you like, give you the mark of the beast necessarily. It's the thing behind it that you have to be worried about. I don't believe that the divine looks at the same things that we humans do. I think there's a lot more behind the scenes.
Speaker 2:I mean, even science has recognized a quantum theory where there are multiple dimensions, even universes or something like that. Who knows what the divine sees when they look at something? We don't know. We can't say all we've been told is we need to be good and have faith. And I think right now that's kind of the most important conversation we can be having with everything going on.
Speaker 2:I'm not trying to preach here. I just really think that that's that important.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a it's a great answer. I think it's it's just such an important thing because, I mean, you know, Bill Gates is already he's worked with companies. He's backing companies that are releasing GMO mosquitoes, right, into Florida, which is Terrible idea. Right? And you know, there's Japanese scientists that had already shown that they could use mosquitoes to distribute vaccines.
Speaker 1:Right? So literally, it's like you might be someone that is like so opposed to this and you think there's no way I'm going get it. And you are outside grilling some steak one day and you know, zap, you get a bug bite and all of a sudden you've now got the same, you know, mRNA modifying substance that the the liberal rushed off to get on day one. Right? And so there may not be a way to protect ourselves.
Speaker 1:And yeah, I mean, I agree with you completely. It's like, is the fate of our souls determined by Fauci? Is it determined by Biden and some mandate that he's gonna
Speaker 2:Now, to be fair, but to to make the like, to be fair about the point you're making, like, that could maybe there are some peep that some people at the top that really think that they're trying to interfere with our souls, that that is their goal. But can they really? Is that really not gonna be looked at at the end of the day when judgment comes? I mean, come on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, it's a good point. Because I think that you know, one way that I look to look at it, it's also something I've wondered about, you know, there's predictive programming, right? And I've thought at times, it's like, are the people behind this, have they looked at the Bible? And are they trying to make some of those things? Like, do they want people to be convinced that this is the mark of the beast?
Speaker 1:Right? Like, does that benefit them anyway? Because it doesn't create more fear around it? Because for me, like, you know, and we're kind of getting into like, what is that mark? Like, my understanding is it really has to do with communism.
Speaker 1:Right? If you look at the foundation of communism, communism, I think, in a lot of ways is the antichrist. Communism is the it's it's Satan's own political party. Right? It's rooted in not just an atheism, but Marx himself, he pledged to wage a war on God.
Speaker 1:Right? He made a deal with Satan to basically bring down God. And so, like, to me, that's the evil cult of communism that it's like, if there is this deciding factor, is there this this day of judgment where it's like, okay, you know, what did you do looking at this person? Well, this guy's a blue collar worker. He's got, you know, he's holding down two jobs to support his family.
Speaker 1:And he was gonna lose both jobs unless he had to get this, you know, this jab versus the person who is pro communist and pushing communist ideology and believes in the destruction of the patriarchy, and and all those things. It's like, to me, that's much more of the ideology that represents what this market is. And you can see too that, you know, in a communist system, right, it's like you have to go along with their system to buy and sell. Right? You have to go along with Exactly.
Speaker 2:Is it really the barcode on you? Or is it the system? Think it's the system. I mean, you know this. I mean, Ben and I at Edge of Wonder have done a ton of research around this specific topic, the mark of the beast topic.
Speaker 2:And we bumped into things that actually, I wasn't researching this when I found this. I mean, I wasn't researching specifically what the mark of the beast is, I stumbled on it in other research. I didn't understand this kind of crazy symbolism everybody has around like Saturn and cubes and hexagons. So as a designer, I was curious to look into the symbology and try to find things out like why are certain families, I won't name any names have like a six sided star as their family crest, like all of these things. All led back to this concept of Saturn, where Rome was actually called Saturnia in the past, Italy was also referred to as Saturnia in the past.
Speaker 2:This idea of the golden age of bringing in this golden age and all of these things, there's all over Manhattan, just like all of these places. What does that mean? And it all came down to this figure Saturn actually representing Saturn, right? And that if you look at the astrological symbol for Saturn, it's a sickle with a cross or just a T with a sickle. And what does that look like?
Speaker 2:It looks like the hammer and the sickle and the communist flag. It was the craziest finding. I couldn't even believe it. When I first stumbled across it, I just sat back in my seat and I was like, this is the craziest thing I've ever researched. The fact that all of this is and then another symbol for Saturn is a crescent with a star.
Speaker 2:Think about how many communist countries have that. Even China right now, it's like a crescent stars with stars.
Speaker 1:It's a crescent made of stars.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And so there was a book by a guy named, not to get too crazy here, but like there was a book by a guy named Talbot. I can't remember his first name, Thomas, something Talbot. Anyway, created a book called The Saturn Myth. And it was all research about Saturn.
Speaker 2:And he was talking about how in a lot of these old cultures, they all reference Saturn as having been, like they conflate Saturn with the sun. Like how could you possibly confuse Saturn with the sun? Well, the idea was that Saturn was the sun in a previous, like a much like distant previous time. And that there was, it appeared in the sky like a crescent with like Saturn being right above it for some reason. And I mean, that doesn't make that, I mean, isn't that hard to believe since Saturn is one of the only planets out there with like rings that are that crazily like displayed around the planet.
Speaker 2:So if that's true, and like there's all ancient world beliefs revolve around this character of Saturn. And so like it was a very strange kind of look into all of that. And I encourage everybody to do their own research and that's not to listen to me, but it was just finding that the astrological symbol was so close to the communist symbol and that communism really does in my book represent like the will of Satan in this world that that just was like mind blowing, you know?
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, it's interesting. Actually, remember seeing one of those previous episodes where you and Ben were going around looking and finding all the cubes like an master place and just all over the world, these black cubes that have these mysterious things around them, which is a lot of symbolism in that. But, yeah, I think that, like, when I'm, you know, talking to people, whether I'm speaking or is interacting with people and and, you know, whether it's on the topic of transhumanism, or just a global surveillance state, or like what's happening in Australia, and we get in the conversation of, like, what do we do to fight this? Right? Obviously, there's there's a handful of things depending on where you're at, but I think that so much of this surrounds, like, and where I often kinda go back in my thinking about this is that, well, we have to understand who the enemy is.
Speaker 1:And we have to understand that I I, you know, I, you know, I think, similar to you, based upon all of our discussions, believe that this is a battle of good and evil. This is a battle of Satan versus God in this and that, you know, there are angels and demons, and, you know, to me, those things are very real. I believe in them, you know, just as real as the sun setting and rising. And so I think that in this battle, which is a spiritual one, like, you know, recognizing that the enemy, you know, has latched itself into communism, and then taking that whole idea, and then looking at, you know, looking at, say, the the globalism movement, right, or looking into the movements have spawned out of that, especially as you get to transhumanism. It's like, you can point it all back to that and you can see that, oh, okay, it's communism.
Speaker 1:And the communists are the experts at hiding behind things. They're the experts at putting forth this idea that sounds really grand and beautiful, which they're all about Trojan horses. Right? They're all about slipping in their their things into these Trojan horses.
Speaker 2:Like like a Muslim that's going through congress or something. Exactly. New measures, you know.
Speaker 1:Exactly. But if you look at things like the the quit the CCP movement in China, where, you know, around 400,000,000 people have renounced they've they've basically removed that mark from themselves. They were they're part of the Communist Party. They they pledged their life to the Communist Party, and they've said, no. I'm I'm renouncing that.
Speaker 1:I do not want my soul to be stained by communism. So I I think that there is a big movement of people that are rejecting this, and that's why I wanna you know, we're gonna transition over to Rise TV only shortly for some q and a. But Oh, yeah. Just one question I have for you is, I mean, do you see that this plan is failing? Do you think that the the Chinese communists and the globus are going to succeed and we're gonna be living in a world that's like the Hunger Games in twenty years, or do you think that their plan's falling apart?
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't think it's possible for them to succeed. And why I say that is because this their time. This time belongs to, they may be allowed to get away with a few more things, but everything that's happening right now, everyone can feel this. Deep down somewhere, if you talk to people, they'll be like, this is the craziest time ever. And if you think about it, according to some history, you'd be like, I don't think this is as crazy as what happened in the 30s or 40s or like certain wars that took place throughout history.
Speaker 2:You could easily go back when two different countries were war or even Europe or the Crusades or whatever it was like, people were back all the time, like going to war. I mean, there were some crazy times in history, but everyone somehow right now can really feel that there's something else going on that this is the end of the end of the end. Like we've all felt it even since like 1999, think a lot of people were really just like on edge, but why? I mean, I think it's been pretty spelled out to us that they're, I don't think this is people kind of assuming that this is the end of days. Like I think this is the actual end of days.
Speaker 2:All of us are kind of constantly looking behind our shoulders And we all know that justice will be served at some point. Doesn't matter how much things get delayed, that justice will be served and that this is, it is God eventually behind the scenes will be the one making calls as things go forward. What we need to do right now is not lose faith in that. I think there's a lot of, it's like imagine what's going on with globalism and stuff, like a magician showing you stuff and like it looks real and you're like, how did that happen? But really it's just an illusion.
Speaker 2:And it's not real. That's what's really going on right now. You can really only do that too much before you kind of like look and see a compartment in the hat and there's a bunny in there, right? Like that's just what we're dealing with right now. And so I think that we all need to kind of like keep strong in that.
Speaker 2:And I think not lose sight of the bigger issue here. I mean, look, as an example, revelations itself, were a lot more things than like kind of idea about something being inside of you to be able to purchase something, right? In Revelations, like they were talking about a gigantic big red dragon in Revelations as I recall.
Speaker 1:It was like seven heads, this big set of red.
Speaker 2:Well, there was a beast, right? The beast, seven heads, there was a red dragon, there were dragons mentioned all the time. I mean, we don't see any dragons around here. Last time I looked around, I didn't see any dragons like, you know, I mean, and that's the thing is like, well, why are we assuming that piece of work was really just for this one dimension that the divine beings are looking at? That the divine is looking at.
Speaker 2:We can't tell that. Like they're mentioning dragons. I mean, if you go read the Joe Peng by the Epoch Times, they talk about the red dragon, the red dragon being at the right side of Satan on his throne. That's like straight out there in a book that's exposing communism out there in society right now. They're bold enough to say that.
Speaker 2:Why? It's because communism is what's bringing everything down right now. The entire idea revolved around inequality was a communist idea. The Russians were using that in order to bring communism in, make the conflicts necessary to try to make everyone underneath communism. Inequality.
Speaker 2:And look at how much inequality is being pushed now. And everyone is just so oblivious to the history. Please research history if you're watching this at home, you will do a lot better in life. Goodness.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and not the Google history, but the real history.
Speaker 2:No, like find other places to get it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and one thing I would recommend is that for anybody that wants to understand communism, the Epoch Times put out a multi book series called, I think it's called How the Spectre of Communism is Ruling Our World.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's part two.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a deep, deep dive into everything. But it does an amazing book because it looks at it through a very spiritual lens, because they acknowledge the evil nature of communism in this battle of good and evil.
Speaker 2:Well, and also like the effects of taking divine out of our lives and pushing atheism and science over a spiritual world.
Speaker 1:Exactly. Exactly. Well, Rob, it is now 03:00. So we're gonna hop on over just to Rise TV for some q and a. For those of you that are watching, the trailer we showed you earlier of transhumanism is a three part series, which is on Rise TV only.
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Speaker 1:That's my that's my philosophy. Mike Lindell has put in some sort of nanotech particles in there that are protecting us from that. So that's my idea though. So anyway, thank you.
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