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The Winds of Change podcast is centered on the people, places, history, and stories of Wyoming. We talk about identity, community, land, change and what it means to thrive in the state. How does someone identify with wide spaces and big personalities in small towns? Listen to folks from across our state share their connection to Wyoming and home. Or others who are pining for opportunities to invite change. And still, there are many voices who welcome the challenge. Making a life here means persistence. Some families have been here for generations and stay true, heads held high, through the blustery winters. Others are newcomers making sense of the unfamiliar winds the world continually blows in.
[00:00:00] Emy Digrappa: Welcome to Winds of Change. I am your host, Emy Di Grappa Winds of Change is brought to you by Wyoming Humanities. In this special series, we celebrate the vibrant histories, cultures, and voices of Native American communities. We welcome diverse perspectives and insights that highlight the traditions and challenges defining indigenous experiences.
[00:00:26] Dive into the heart of these stories with us on winds of Change. My special guests today are Miracle Seminole and Cherokee Brown. Cherokee Brown, born and raised in Wyoming is Northern Arapaho living on the Wind River Reservation in Wyoming, Cherokee is mother of six kids, six children and six grandchildren.
[00:00:48] She is dedicated to honoring the ancestors by bringing back an old message to have to restore communities on the reservation. And Miracle is her daughter. Cherokee's daughter is also an enrolled member of the Northern Arapaho, and she's a quilt maker and she's carrying forward a family tradition passed down from generation to generation.
[00:01:16] So welcome Miracle and Cherokee.
[00:01:19] Cherokee Brown: Thank you, Emy Thank you for
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[00:01:23] Emy Digrappa: Absolutely. And it's so beautiful that this is, you know. A way to really bring to life for me and for many others, how the arts and traditions, whether spiritually or things that the natives have done throughout generations and their storytelling and how they pass it on and how the, the star quilts are part of that.
[00:01:51] And so I wanna know. First of all, Cherokee, how did you become a star quilt maker?
[00:01:59] Cherokee Brown: Thanks, Emy So as a young girl, so my grandmother. Instilled the love for arts and craft in me, like many of us, a lot, a lot of my cousins, my sisters and family members. And it, for me, that's where it started for the love of arts and crafts, to design things, to create things.
[00:02:19] I just remember growing up and always seeing her making something. She could just make anything I thought all the way to food and, just watching her. And then others in our, in my family that created things that she didn't create or, but I think it was just, it's been in our families, um, just many different crafts that they make.
[00:02:43] for me, for becoming a star quilt maker, I've, I've watched and seen other family members make 'em, and I've always wanted to make a star quote. and just. Going through life and trying it and not really actually sitting down with someone or a family member and them taking the time to make it. Maybe because they didn't know how or, or they were trying themselves.
[00:03:08] but my grandma was, her quilts were crocheted and I tried and tried and tried to make. To crochet. I tried and tried to, I, I don't know if it was, I didn't have the patience or, I don't know what it was, but I just could not crochet. And so I always thought sewing was my best bet. And so my grandma did teach me how to sew.
[00:03:29] yeah, I would try to sew like doll clothes and things like that, but, Be, you know, she would be, she would make macrame, her potholders, her plant holders, I mean, things like that. And so just going through life, just always being able to create something. And the way my grandma would do things and other family members, they just had a lot of, it always seemed like they had a lot of patience and love for the craft, whether, for whatever reason they were, they were making it.
[00:03:58] Whether it was to pay bills or just to make it for a family member or to give away, or whatever it was, it was just something that I just always wanted to do. in 1999 around there, I, learned like actually sat down and was taught by the Leedom family, Claude Leedom in particular, and his.
[00:04:19] teaching was passed down from his grandmother to, you know, and then his dad, and then his son, and they, they all made quilts and I just thought that was so awesome that, it was men that were making these quilts and so a, a male teaching me and patience and just, it was almost like, it was like therapy.
[00:04:41] It brought me back to when my grandma would do things. It was well, anybody, you know, that would do things with their hands. It's like therapy because you put a lot of thought into things that you're designing. You put a lot of prayers and, just those good feelings. 'cause you just never know, you know, where they're gonna go or who they're gonna go to.
[00:04:59] and that's why I wanna give a shout out to the Leedom family and to Claude Leedom because. That was something that he took time to do as I was in my journey of recovery, to, have something good and, and think good thoughts and, just keep going. And, and I did and I just kept going with it.
[00:05:16] And my first quilt I ever made thanks to, the lead was one for my grandmother. a quilt that I made from start to finish was for my grandma. I was so proud and grateful to give that to her. and she just loved it. And so just continuing on and, sometimes, you know, it was to, to pay bills, I would have to make one, but just having that talent and the love for it, was I don't know, I was just so grateful to have it.
[00:05:43] I always wanted to just pass it down and I always wanted to teach my daughters and even my son if he'll ever, if he'll ever sit down and learn. But yeah, so that's kind of where I am. And, from 1999 on, I just kept making 'em, I just kept on and moving back home. In 2011, the end of 2011, 2012, I was making 'em here back home.
[00:06:08] And when I say moved back home, we lived in Lawrence, Kansas and for a lot of years and then moved back home in the end of 2011. And, just trying to keep making 'em and trying to give them away or sell 'em if I could. And, And then there was a time in 2015 where I, I just had a block. I couldn't, I, I didn't make any, just dealing with some deep grief and, you know, just a tragedy that hit our family.
[00:06:36] it wasn't that I didn't wanna make them, it was just I, I had so much grief that I was afraid to, and I didn't wanna put those kind of thoughts into there or those kind of feelings into the blankets and, I wanna give a shout out to my sister Kayla and, Beverly Denapa, who reached out and wanted to do a class and got me back into it because being part of that class or that teaching, wanted to start a class and to teach people how to make 'em, and they wanted to learn.
[00:07:05] Well, Beverly already knew too, and she taught me a different method, whereas in when I first started. I would say the diamond method is how Claude and, uh, the Leedoms taught me. And then with Beverly, she taught me the strip method. And so I just wanna give a shout out to them because it wasn't only just being taught another way, it was bringing me back into that connection, feeling like I was connected again and.
[00:07:30] Just having the women around in the, in the room and the kids running around and just, just that it brought me back. And so again, like I said, it's like therapy and, just having that gratitude and humility and that love for life, you know, being, just being alive and being able to do this. So yeah, that's kind of where I'm at.
[00:07:53] And then Miracle has her own story of how I showed her and how I taught her. I've always tried to get my girls to learn and some of them just, they had other things to do, which is okay, someday they'll sit down. My youngest, she started on a star and we have yet to finish that.
[00:08:13] Emy Digrappa: That is great.
[00:08:14] Well, Miracle, now that you've been on your own star Quil journey and you're a star quil artist and. You've had your own experience, so how, how did this become your love and your passion to do?
[00:08:28] Miracle Seminole: in 2020, I, Kind of started, but wasn't really into it as much as I am now. so I graduated from Sherman Indian High School, but it was during Covid.
[00:08:40] So they actually sent us home, before we could even walk the stage, which was really, you know, upsetting. 'cause once you go to school, you just look to that day to where you just wanna walk across the stage. And, uh, yeah, we got that taken away from us. So I was in a very, like, low place of my life and my mom just told me, let's just go into the shop today.
[00:09:01] You know, try it out. If you don't like it, then go on about your time.
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[00:09:05] Miracle Seminole: And so I did and it was good for a while, but still being young, I wanted to hang out with friends and, you know, go do my thing. And then, In, uh, July, 2023, there was, uh, something that had happened to me to where I was just in the wrong place, wrong time with some wrong people to where I ended up in the hospital for, in a coma for five days.
[00:09:32] And when I woke up, you know, I just didn't feel great about the decision and so I wanted to turn my life around and be a better person. I turned to my mom again and I asked her if she would just teach me and she didn't teach me. She actually got like an order of five quilts made for me, and she's like, okay, you want this?
[00:09:55] She's like, here's, here's five orders. Get them done. And not only that, it was, Queen quilts, and I only knew how to do babies. I was like, oh my God, this is a big step. But okay. And I actually loved it because it was like, I sat at the table and I started making designs like first time they were all different too.
[00:10:15] I think just getting that little boost and getting that push was, it felt great because afterwards they put it on their blankets. It was Erica, They have their campground, up in Fort Wash Key their, uh, teepee campground. Right? Yeah. TP campground. And so they asked for five blankets and they put it on their bed.
[00:10:35] And just seeing that on their Facebook, it was just the best feeling ever. Just like, and then all the comments, all the positive like comments of them saying, oh yeah, these quotes are amazing. And so after that, I started loving the feeling of being recognized and the feeling of people actually singing my art and putting myself in those quilts as well.
[00:10:56] 'cause those ideas just came from the top of my head. And I think just like the feedback is what really boosted me and the feeling of, having to just be positive and think, you know, positive. Don't put my personal thoughts into a quilt. It's just, it's therapy as well. Like my mom did say it's therapy of getting that deeper part of yourself and the positive side, and then putting those into a quilt.
[00:11:25] So that's what helped me out as well. It's like me, I don't like going counseling, so I'll go do a quilt. And so that's, that's how I started.
[00:11:35] Emy Digrappa: Did you feel, and do you feel right now that quilt making brings out your artistry and your creative self where you have to really think about. The world in a different way,
[00:11:51] Miracle Seminole: definitely, yeah, I I think I calmed down a lot as well, within myself.
[00:11:57] Um, I don't know if my mom has seen it, but I think I just did like a whole flip and I did become a better version of myself than I ever was. And 'cause like, like my mom said, there was a. Tragedy that happened in our family and you know, all of us just all kind of flipped and we were the best, you know, to be around at some points.
[00:12:20] But then I think turning to these quilts, it's like, you know, the world's actually better than it seems. And I don't know how to explain how a quilt does that, but just like having to go into the shop and think, okay, I'm gonna sit down, calm down, and. You know, let's just think about the great things of life that are going on instead of the negatives, because you don't wanna put the negatives into a quilt and then give it to somebody, and then now they feel that energy in the quilt.
[00:12:48] and then, yeah, also coming in and then we have, sweetgrass sometimes in here. or cedar and. Yeah, we'll, we'll smudge if we feel off balance or even if we have a block. I know that sometimes whenever, we want like ideas, we'll go and just smudge and just, you know, take that thought and just sit there and then things come clearer after a smudge.
[00:13:17] Emy Digrappa: So explain what smudging is so that people know what that means.
[00:13:22] Cherokee Brown: so, how I lead my family spiritually and I have that choice how I wanna lead my family spiritually. But of course, you know, learning from people that come before us and just things that we kind of know. So smudging for me is like, we can use, cedar or sweet grass or sage.
[00:13:39] And the way I always tell my kids is it's like. Again, this is how I learned from someone else is it's like putting on your armors, like putting on your blessing yourself. You're, you're putting on your armor for the day or for, you know, so when negative things try to come at you, you're, you're protected.
[00:13:57] And, I think it is just all about that protection and wanting to feel good and wanting to have a clear mind and an open heart. And, know, walking. With humility, with gratitude and being a kind good person. again, but when she's talking about what's, I'll give an example, like if I'm not in a good place, and there's times where I forget to see her or forget to smudge before I even just come in or start designing a quilt or, and not just quilts, but like in, in life.
[00:14:28] but for quilts, if, if I forget that. I can, I can tell, and I notice because it's, I'll try to sit down and then I'm like, just up and I can't sit down. I can't sit still. And I just, my mind and my, my thoughts are not there. And so when I stop, take, take a step back, breathe, pray, smudge, asking crater for those good thoughts and, things change then, then things start coming. And I mean, that's how I, that's what happens for me. And I know Miracle has said the same thing. and then again, like sometimes you're, the designs and things will come at weird times and Miracle can share that, but but yeah, that's, that's kind of how I look at it like.
[00:15:15] When you're smudging, you're, you're also praying you're asking creator for, blessings and not just for yourself, but for your family, for your community, for, for everyone.
[00:15:26] Emy Digrappa: That is so interesting. I think about because I'm, I'm a creative person. I love creativity and yeah, you do have to comb your mind and.
[00:15:39] To get into a peaceful place so that you can think more clearly. but at the same time, I could be in the shower and think the best idea. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And I'll, and I'll go in and I'll think. Okay. I gotta write that down because in, or I'll forget, right? I'll forget and I'll think, oh my God, I had the best idea.
[00:16:04] What was it? or you might, um, dream about something. You might have it a really great idea in your dreams.
[00:16:13] Miracle Seminole: Mm-hmm.
[00:16:15] Emy Digrappa: And so how do you deal with that Miracle? Do you. Write your ideas down. Do you journal them? What do, what do you do? How do you collect them and keep them in a place where you can go back and revisit them.
[00:16:28] Miracle Seminole: I actually have a few examples of if I can show you those like draw 'em out. So, but sometimes people will actually gimme colors. And I'm just like, okay, do you want a specific way of how you want the colors lined up or are you okay with me just free going and putting the colors together on my own?
[00:16:48] And sometimes people do like it like that. They're like, yeah, you know what? You're the artist. I want you to, yeah, do it how you feel, but these are the colors I want. And so I'll put them together. Um. Or I'll just step outside and or see something on online or, yeah, also wake up one day and I'm like, those colors are really good together.
[00:17:09] I think I'm gonna jot those down. for example, um, Online, I seen that people are into chakras, and so I actually went to my, went to my room and I grabbed a template, which is like, it's just a blank star. And, uh, I don't have it right now, but, yeah, it's just a blank star.
[00:17:28] And then you grab your colors and you just start designing on the star. But I seen the chakras and I was like, oh, I wanna do that so bad on a quilt, how would it look? And so I ended up doing this one. It's, uh, the colors aren't really the best on here right now, but it's just the person. And then the color, uh, green for the heart, and then it's the crown.
[00:17:51] The third eye, I believe the, I can't remember what this one is, but the solar, then the heart sacral, and then the ru This is something that, like example of what you can put on a quilt. It doesn't have to be just straight, solid colors and whatnot, but yeah, so I would jot this down and put it on a template and then I just keep this and then go back to it whenever I want to someday.
[00:18:16] Uh, I have not made it yet, but I want to, I think I'm a, I think I might make it soon, but also, like I said, if you just wanna go outside and you see something and you're like, oh geez, that looks amazing. Yeah, I wanna do that. So I made a butterfly as well, just from seeing one. And then the fire colors as well.
[00:18:38] You know, people say that the fire colors go with everything, which they do, But yeah, that, that's kind of how what I go through is if I see something, I go into my quilt, uh, quilt room, I grab a blank template, and then I just start jotting down what I just now seen. or if it's just plain colors, then it's the same thing, same colors.
[00:18:58] You just, yeah, put it on the template.
[00:19:00] Emy Digrappa: Is there other places you get inspiration from? I, I know your mom is probably a big inspiration for you. Um, maybe there's other people in the community that inspire you to keep going, but are there other quilt makers that, you know, you talk together or inspire each other on your journey to, to creating quilts?
[00:19:25] Miracle Seminole: You know, now that you say that, no, I actually have not talked to any other quilters and, maybe like if I go into a quilt shop, I, those are like probably the most people I've talked to. but other than that I actually don't think I've ever talked to any other quilters and like got inspiration of what they do.
[00:19:44] Sometimes, like if I ever get a block and, they're called three feathers on, uh oh yeah. Ben Litum. Yeah. The people who, who taught her, they have a whole Facebook page. Well, his dad, but he, they have a whole Facebook page. And so sometimes I'll, I'll get inspiration by them 'cause they make nothing like, it seems like they make nothing but silk quilts like I always wanna be inspired. I always get inspired of. I wanna do a satin quote someday. And so that's kind of just like where I go from. But I've never personally talked to them like in person, which I honestly, I think I might start doing because I've never thought about that. Like, oh, maybe I should go talk to another Coter and see where they get their inspiration from.
[00:20:30] And so you were saying they only make satin quilts? No. Like most of his quilts look satin or. Most of 'em, yeah. Are, but that's not the only thing that he makes. it's three feathers and,
[00:20:42] Cherokee Brown: and they have a website, three feathers, quilts, and they're beautiful and he just makes all kinds of things. So, and he does some, which Miracle's talking about is they do have some, like TikTok videos.
[00:20:53] They do have, um, like giveaways and, I like watching 'em because it, it's inspires me even though I'm not doing them anymore as much as Miracle is. But we were actually just talking about that was it yesterday? About, her wanting to start asking people, reaching out and, and hearing their stories of how, how it was passed down to them and.
[00:21:17] or just, you know, connecting, kept connecting with other quis. 'cause we do have a lot of amazing cultures in our community. my niece and there's, there's several, several others. But yeah, that's interesting you asked that we don't all get together and have like a, a quilting day. And that would be kind of, that would be nice to do.
[00:21:35] Emy Digrappa: I mean, I think it's so, community, you know, when you're doing something altogether and you have the same passion for it mm-hmm. And you can help each other, think of new ways to do something, or a new idea or a new pattern or an, you know, any, any of those things.
[00:21:56] I think that's why I love. You know, um, artist co-ops, for example, you know how artists can come together. It doesn't matter if they're, a painter a blacksmith, they can still inspire each other. Mm-hmm. That's true. So America, where do you. Where do you see yourself? I know, I know this is a very exciting time for you because this is the first time you've really displayed and exhibited your quilts.
[00:22:25] Miracle Seminole: Right?
[00:22:26] Emy Digrappa: So where, where do you see yourself, in the next year or even five years?
[00:22:32] Miracle Seminole: I wanna be further into my, into my quilts by, Actually asking people or teaching people. 'cause we do, we do teach people here at our building and, uh, we have classes every once in a while and just like give the opportunity to the community if they ever wanna learn a craft.
[00:22:50] but in the future I want to get a building like a, um. warehouse factory building a big building to where it has bunch of sewing machines, uh, quilt, quilt making things. And just an opportunity for people who like need a side job, say they wanna come in for a couple hours and then, that will be there for them.
[00:23:12] Say they wanna. Learn, they can come into the warehouse and learn. cause it is really hard making, like having a business and make, wanting to make this into a business with just one person. You don't ever see a business and just have one person. So I think having that building and giving the opportunity to other people would be amazing.
[00:23:33] And help me out as well. 'cause even if one person cuts, another person sews, um, one person's designing. what I wanna do is, help people by helping me as well. Yeah. even if they wanna do this full-time as well, you know, that's open for them.
[00:23:50] They can come in, make their quilts, sell 'em, they see an order online, they can get started on that one and just, yeah, kind of have it as a job.
[00:24:02] Emy Digrappa: Well, I think it's really important that you're, you want to not only grow as an artist, but you wanna help your community grow and, and help them, you know, find other ways to make money on the reservation.
[00:24:17] I think that's, I think I, that's what I love most about learning about the reservation is that when I talk to young people, and even if they go out and get. A law degree or, you know, become a filmmaker or anything, they always say, I wanna go back and I wanna go back to my people.
[00:24:40] Miracle Seminole: Mm-hmm.
[00:24:41] Emy Digrappa: And I think that's so beautiful.
[00:24:42] I, I think that's something that we've lost in the world, but that you are hanging onto and creating this bridge so that people can see. Building your strong community is the most important thing you can do. Like what, what do you see in your young people now that you graduated from high school and you're developing your own business?
[00:25:09] What are the things that you feel like the elders could, um, help the younger generation do better?
[00:25:16] Miracle Seminole: Honestly, I've always wanted to tell, uh, younger kids that it's okay to be different. It really is like whenever people ask like, you're so young and you're doing quilts, I'm like, it's not an old people thing.
[00:25:30] Like, I love doing it. And they're just like, well, why do you wanna spend your young years doing quilts? And honestly, it's, It's because of the recognition. And I think it's okay if, kids just start showing themselves instead of all wanting to be the same. Because I know that if people wanna be different, kids do judge each other.
[00:25:53] And I really just, I want to change that. I really do. and I think also telling them that, Family's family and that, you know, they're gonna be the only people there for you. I mean, I know when I was growing up, a lot of kids were embarrassed to even show that kind of love because it's, um, or just like even with relationships, not just family, it's called a simp and people get judged by just for loving another.
[00:26:20] And it's really, it's. It's kind of sad. And so I think changing that would also be a really big goal for me, in telling kids nowadays is, you know, not everybody's the same it's okay to be different.
[00:26:38] Emy Digrappa: That's really true. There is that time in your youth where you're afraid to be different, where you don't Yeah.
[00:26:47] You really. The peer pressure and your own self identity and how you identify with other people. that's why so many kids that are too involved in that, you know, they're, they're committing suicide. Mm-hmm.
[00:27:05] Cherokee Brown: Yeah. And I think that, I mean, you said it, that's. Definitely no one's perfect. No family's perfect, no individual's, perfect.
[00:27:14] You know, and but I think it coming from a mom and piggybacking off what Miracle had just said was, you know, we're far from perfect. We have dysfunction in our family too. it's not all peaches and cream and perfect, but we look for solutions. You know, find pro, find solutions to the problem and.
[00:27:36] A lot of that is, is taking a step back and, really, really focusing, I guess, and putting a lot of work and effort into, not tearing each other down and, and communicating and talking and, and finding that connection. But it's also really about listening and having the open.
[00:27:54] Open heart and open mind, and really, really listening. Not listen to respond, but listen to listen. And when you're, when you've grown up not having that and not really showing that, and maybe other things were normal, it, it takes work and effort. It really does.
[00:28:14] And I love that. Miracle has such a beautiful heart and. Sometimes it hurts me as a mom when her kindness gets taken for weakness, but it's really not about that. It's um, how she holds herself and how she prays about it and how she takes a step back and how she wants to communicate and solve the problem or, or find the disconnect so there can be a connection, because that's what it's all about.
[00:28:39] When you lose hope and you have so much disconnect and there's no connection to. To, to anything. and, and not just kids, adults too have, have that feeling, that sense of feeling like they don't belong anywhere or, there's nothing to live for or, and as a community, and even us as a family, we've all been there.
[00:29:00] We've all been there where, you know, maybe suicide might have been the, the thought and that's scary. but it's there. And so how do we build those relationships that, by strengthening hope and strengthening connections and strengthening family, because like Miracle said, at the end of the day, our families are, are so important.
[00:29:25] And, and so they're the ones that are gonna be there for you. and even the ones that don't wanna be there for you. They still have that love in their heart. They just, you know, it, it's just getting together and finding that connection.
[00:29:39] Emy Digrappa: Yep. Yep. Well, I love, I love something that Miracle said, and so we're gonna end on this note because I think it is so cool that quilting is not for old people.
[00:29:54] Okay. I think you should revolutionize that. Yeah. I think you should like. Put it on your website. I think you should just like, this is like a new thought. It's, it's today. It's not yesterday. You're going forward, you're taking a tradition and you're taking it forward. Mm-hmm. And that's so important. So important.
[00:30:23] I mean, you can look at so much of. The Native American art today, and the young people are taking it forward. They want to break the barrier of, you have to do it this way. They want to go forward. They want to think forward. Mm-hmm. They don't wanna live. In the past, I've heard so many Native American artists that was then, and this is now, and we wanna think.
[00:30:53] What is, what is our future? Mm-hmm. Where are we now and where are we going? So I think that's so cool. And you should revolutionize that, revolutionize that thought. Absolutely.
[00:31:05] Miracle Seminole: And even these younger people, like with their ideas of, um, with the arts, they make it more than it is. Like, for example, I, I know it was just a joke, but, this person put beads on the eyelashes.
[00:31:21] And you know how like young people are like, oh, I love eyelashes, but let me put beads on 'em. Like, how, who would've thought of that? And so I think it's so fun to just see younger people's creativity come out in, um, what like you call, I guess, art that has been here for years and then just seeing how it's like Evolved. All these younger kids', uh, creativity. And just putting it into one. Uh, it's, it's so cool. I love seeing it.
[00:31:50] Emy Digrappa: Oh, I love seeing it. Just in the regalia of the powwow dancers. I mean, they are so creative. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Of, of what they've done and how they create their regalia and, and beating is so amazing and I love that.
[00:32:09] I remember talking to a Native American beater and I won. won't say her name, but, 'cause she said this to me, he said, what I love about being Native American is that we can put a bead on anything. We will find a place for a bead. Right? I said, yeah, okay. And um, and I bought some things from her because it was like so cool.
[00:32:39] Like she was beating. She was beating, cell phone cases and just e everything, you know, I was just like, she said, yeah, we can put a beat on anything.
[00:32:50] Miracle Seminole: Well, I mean, even on those, those, hey dudes, a lot of people are putting beads on, Hey dudes, they're beading shoes. Like, yeah, so anything,
[00:33:02] Cherokee Brown: Bead anything.
[00:33:03] Emy Digrappa: And you can do that with quilting. You can make it. Anything you want. That's the beauty of, of where we are right now in life.
[00:33:11] Miracle Seminole: Right?
[00:33:12] Emy Digrappa: You're so young. You have all the time.
[00:33:15] Miracle Seminole: I also want to make rugs. 'cause like, not a lot of people, they're like, Hey, I already have a blanket. Why would I wanna get another one?
[00:33:22] You know? Especially for that price. It's like, okay. So I started thinking, what can other people start buying but with the same template? And so I thought, let me make a rug with like the star in it. And I think that would just be awesome.
[00:33:37] Emy Digrappa: Cool. Cool idea. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So anyway, um, thank you so much for talking to me today.
[00:33:45] It's been so fun, and I really, really appreciate your time. Thank you, Emmy. Thank
[00:33:49] Cherokee Brown: you. Thank you so much.