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TBPN is a live tech talk show hosted by John Coogan and Jordi Hays, streaming weekdays from 11–2 PT on X and YouTube, with full episodes posted to Spotify immediately after airing.
Described by The New York Times as “Silicon Valley’s newest obsession,” TBPN has interviewed Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Mark Cuban, and Satya Nadella. Diet TBPN delivers the best moments from each episode in under 30 minutes.
I wrote about ChitChang, the Apple Card, minor news We have to yeah. Please.
Speaker 2:We have to ask. Somebody sent us a bunch of weights. Yeah. And this one is a 10. There's quite a few of these.
Speaker 2:Are you trying to say something? You know? Is this you think you think the upper limit? But either way, whoever sent these, please let us know because there was no card. Big sign of respect in our culture.
Speaker 1:It is. Anyway, there was a minor headline breaking news. Actually, heard learned about it from the chat. The Apple Card program is moving from Goldman Sachs to JPMorgan. Nothing's really changing about the Apple Card yet.
Speaker 1:It's merely the bank back end that's always been sort of behind the scenes, behind the fold. Even though it's a minor headline, I think it's an interesting story of just how Apple got to the point where they have a credit card, what that means, what the decisions, what the trade offs were. And I wanted to go back all the way to the Steve Jobs era and think about how would he be down with credit cards? You're giving leverage to your customers. You're giving credit.
Speaker 1:You're in the debt business. It's a different business. How did he think about it, and how did we get here? The Apple Card program has millions of cards issued. There's $20,000,000,000 of debt that's accumulated across all the cards, and the portfolio is not doing well.
Speaker 1:So normally, if you are to if you have a co branded credit card, like a JCPenney or Macy's credit card, and it's aligned with the brand, typically, those get paid off pretty well. They have strict underwriting rules. And so when those trade hands, companies will other banks will typically say, I'm buying a $10,000,000,000 portfolio, and I'll give you 8% on top because most likely I'm going to be able to recoup all of that from the creditors, and also they're going to pay interest. So they're gonna pay 15% interest, 25 interest. Now there will be some defaults, but in general, you typically make money off of owning a portfolio of consumer credit card loans.
Speaker 1:Not in this case. Goldman is like, gotta get this off our balance sheet. They've already lost a billion dollars. Their consumer bank overall, which includes Marcus, has lost $3,000,000,000 Like, they're not doing well over
Speaker 2:the last couple So is this a repayment issue or just an operational issue?
Speaker 1:There's a little bit of both. The $20,000,000,000 card balances, that's trading. JPMorgan's acquiring that at a $1,000,000,000 discount. Instead of an 8% premium, you would expect that they would pay 21.6. They're actually paying 19 for this.
Speaker 1:It's not, you know, by any means a disaster. And Goldman's a large company.
Speaker 2:JP Morgan's a large I I said Morgan Stanley.
Speaker 1:Steve Jobs actually thought about launching a credit card at Apple at least two times that we know of. There's two key stories about Steve Jobs, thinking about getting in the credit card game. The first was in the late nineteen nineties. He met with Capital One to create a joint credit card that would have worked a lot like the Apple Card. There's a lot of things where Apple has a particular brand.
Speaker 1:I want to talk to you about Apple's brand and what it means, like how it fits into the consumer credit card, consumer financial landscape. The North Star that Jobs laid down was always amazing customer service and no rejection. So I tend to think of most high end brands as beneficiaries of exclusivity. You can't just buy an Hermes Birkin bag. You can't buy a Ferrari SP3 Daytona.
Speaker 1:You have to be invited. You need a relationship. Apple, for some reason, I feel about Apple the same way I feel about Ferrari. And yet it is a wildly different experience.
Speaker 2:It's a premium brand.
Speaker 1:It's a premium brand. But because of the design and because of the value of the technology and how innovative they are, I put them in a different category than Equinox. Jobs wanted Apple to be a no rejection company. So anyone can walk into an Apple store, buy the most expensive iPhone that they make as long as they have the money.
Speaker 2:People want to give us money, they can.
Speaker 1:They can, which is it's a standard business practice, but not always in luxury goods. Yeah,
Speaker 2:which is why I said it's premium.
Speaker 1:Premium. Is
Speaker 2:more premium. Luxury, even though Apple often presents itself as a luxury brand.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes. Because of credit risk and underwriting, every credit card has to have an approval process, and not everyone can be accepted. That's just the way it works. You cannot underwrite everyone, or else you'll just have massive losses. Apple, when they launched the original card, they actually set the credit score requirement fairly low.
Speaker 1:And even though it launched in 2019, it felt like a holdover from the Jobs era, that Jobs philosophy of even though we're Apple, even though it's it it feels it's gonna have the patina of an Amex. It's gonna have this premium look. It really was accessible to a lot of people. I think you needed a credit score of around a 600, which is pretty accessible. The second time Apple was really thinking about doing a card was in 2004.
Speaker 1:They actually staffed this guy, Ken Siegel, who was the creative director on the Think Different campaigns, like one of the most iconic marketers in history, in tech history certainly. Jobs said, if we launch a credit card, it's going be called the Apple Card, and they actually wound up using that name. But it had a weird twist. So most credit cards, they'll give you airline miles or cash back. There's Diners Club.
Speaker 1:It's usually you get points and then you can spend those points on travel.
Speaker 2:And you've always been a huge points guy, right?
Speaker 1:I'm actually not a points guy at all. I usually meet whoever the most elite management consultant in my friend group is and just ask them because every management consultant is obsessed with credit card points maxing. And I just ask them, which one should I get? And then I just get that one. And then five years later, ten years later, I still have it and it's probably a bad deal then.
Speaker 1:So instead of airline miles or cash back, this proposed Apple Card from 2004, you you would get points, and you could only spend the points at the iTunes store to get free songs.
Speaker 2:I mean, at that moment in time, that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. It it's kind of a cool idea.
Speaker 2:I mean, I was a child at that time, so 99¢ was somewhat of a Yeah. Considered purchase. Yeah. Building I'd sometimes I'd just play the preview of the song.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I'm good with the thirty seconds. For sure. Is enough.
Speaker 2:This is rocking out. Is enough. Play it again.
Speaker 1:But it is somewhat genius because there's sort of zero marginal cost on music, certainly on the distribution of music. Now, they do have to pay royalty fees, but there's already a built in margin there. So that zero nine nine dollars a lot of that went to Apple. Remember, they take 30%. So they're giving you psychologically $1 worth of value.
Speaker 1:You go and spend $100 you get 100 points. One point is $01 You buy the $0.99 song, but they are taking home another 30% on top of that. The economics would have been really, really good. But it is sort of gimmicky because people want to spend points on a lot of things. They're like,
Speaker 2:I'm happy to get free flights and
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think there's something psychological about having a credit card that you spend money on for a couple of years. You get a whole bunch of points, and then you're like, wow, I got a free flight to a vacation that I'll remember forever, as opposed to, Okay, yeah, I bought a bunch of my favorite music. And then four years later, Spotify came out. Actually, my iTunes library is basically useless. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Tyler?
Speaker 3:I was just going to say it's like the same thing. Because it's like instead of a trip, it's like, oh, I bought Chief Keef album off my Apple Card. I'll always remember that.
Speaker 2:Will always remember that. Will that. I hate being sober.
Speaker 1:We got to watch that. The other key feature that Apple always wanted and this went back to Steve Jobs. They always wanted with the Apple Card, which you don't often think about with credit cards, but is amazing customer service. And so most people, their credit card just works. Apple did a couple of unique things where it integrate with the wallet and but mostly, they just wanted extremely high levels of customer service.
Speaker 1:When you have a problem with your iPhone, you go into the Genius Bar. There's someone who's friendly. They are very good about getting you in at the right time.
Speaker 2:Imagine one of the people at the Genius Bar breaking your kneecaps. They have a room where they're just like, Okay, we're very customer friendly here. But you have to your rent. We have to break your kneecaps. We're going to take you back.
Speaker 1:Well, mean, that was another thing. They want to be so customer friendly. They didn't have any late fees, no application fees, and no international fees, no fees at all. That was the whole pitch. Since, I don't know, probably the '80s, like the Christmas time was when people would gift each other MacBooks or Mac computers, and they built up, built up, built up.
Speaker 1:And so they have a whole workflow for how do we hire a lot of people around the Christmas time, how do we staff the Genius Bar, how do we educate people, how do we pay them. They're in the Tier one cities, so they can have great people working there. It's a very high dollar revenue per square foot in those Apple stores. Goldman didn't have experience in consumer banking. The default consumer customer service experience is I'm calling my banker, my Goldman banker, and I'm like, I need to sell my company for $1,000,000,000 Get your M and A team ready, or I need to go public.
Speaker 1:But seriously, Goldman, it's the highest finance. It's the most premier. It's the most elite. So when you call them and you're like, yeah, I got billed for $25 and it should have been $23 Can you fix this? Well, they need a new team for that, and they need to build up that team.
Speaker 1:And that's not that's not rocket science. But Apple also wanted another consumer friendly feature. They wanted all of the bills to drop on the first of the month every month. And normally, credit cards will stagger it out. They'll be like, your bill comes on the tenth, Tyler's comes on the fifteenth, mine comes on the twentieth.
Speaker 1:I'm calling on the they do it intentionally. Yeah. They do it intentionally.
Speaker 2:Stupidly Thought it
Speaker 1:was sloppy.
Speaker 2:That it was just sloppy and annoying. No. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1:you're Genius. Trust the process.
Speaker 2:Trust the process.
Speaker 1:Trust the process. So Never lose Apple insisted, hey, everyone's got to get their statement right on the first. That's the best customer experience. But what that means is that you need like 10,000 people ready at the phones. Apple customer service, that level that Goldman wanted to bring, was very high.
Speaker 1:And so you need a ton of people staffed on the first of the month, and then they're not really doing anything in the back half of the month. And while you can maybe do temp work at an Apple store in December and say, hey, we're going to hire you from November 1 to January 15. You're gonna deal with some of the returns. It's a three month gig. People sign up for that.
Speaker 1:No one's saying, yeah. I'm good to work at Goldman Sachs on the first of every month and the first week of every month, and then I'll just find something else to do on weeks two, three, and four of the month. That doesn't make any sense. So they ran into a bunch of problems there, obviously more cost, and all of this was just making the actual program less profitable for Goldman. The whole reason why they jumped at the opportunity to work with Apple and they kind of bent over backwards because Apple had tried this with they'd went to a whole bunch of other banks remember going back to Capital One and every bank had said, no, are you crazy?
Speaker 1:You can't do this. Like, You can't give everyone in the world a no free credit card with great customer service. You're going to lose money, Apple. And Apple finally They're
Speaker 2:like, no, we want to give everyone a free lunch. Exactly. Anyways, I texted a buddy who has some context on this whole deal. And so is in a meeting, but he fired off some I asked him, like, how did this happen, basically? He says, GS effed up the plan.
Speaker 2:DJ D Soul was told to shut down Marcus and Consumer or get out of the job. He cut all of Marcus except for savings. Then GS had a multi year process to find a bank that Apple would approve, right? They're not just going to say like
Speaker 1:We're out.
Speaker 2:Some, you know, smaller, not not systemically important bank, etcetera. Yeah. Then they had to figure out price, which includes opportunity cost of selling for a discount compared to running out the contract to 2030.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:GS effed up because it's a transactional org, not a longitudinal org Yep. And really thought they were they were smarter but never focused on the fundamentals of running the business.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So the question is like what happens next? JPMorgan obviously has way more way way more consistency here.
Speaker 2:Did you ever have one?
Speaker 1:Apple Card?
Speaker 4:No. And it's so so interesting because Yeah. Think that if you were trying
Speaker 2:to do an analysis on the Apple Card
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:You were like every high value credit card customer in America Yeah. Not every Yeah. But the vast, vast, maybe 99% has an iPhone. Yeah. Apple's gonna put this everywhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah. This is gonna be one of the biggest credit card business lines of all time. Yeah. And it just it's been interesting to see, you know, this entire saga because it hasn't really turned out that way. Speaking of deals, Reuters has an exclusive, say Trump admin moles payments to sway Greenlanders to join The US.
Speaker 2:Greenland says they're not for sale. European leaders are standing behind Copenhagen. But Greenland talks in the White House have intensified in recent days. US officials have discussed sending lump sum payments to Greenland STEMI time.
Speaker 1:STEMI time. To Greenlanders as
Speaker 2:part of a bid to convince them to secede from Denmark and potentially join The United States. While the exact dollar figure and logistics of any payment are unclear, US officials including White House aides have discussed figures ranging from 10,000 to a $100,000 per person. Doing the math, even at a $100,000 a person, Greenland only has like 57 So thousand we're talking about basically a seed round, $55,700,000,000.0.
Speaker 3:It's like three AI researchers.
Speaker 1:Three AI researchers in Greenland. We're all Greenland. I mean, get that they have a of natural resources and whatnot. I doubt that you can just actually buy the votes. You probably couldn't make the payment contingent on them voting.
Speaker 1:They would have to either vote, and then they get the payment because we promise, or the payment happens, and then whether or not they vote.
Speaker 2:I think just start planes with cash. Yeah. Dropping it out of the air.
Speaker 1:Because then wouldn't the game theory be just that they hold strong? Going to be another plane. We want the second drop.
Speaker 2:Here's my thing. If I'm a citizen of Greenland or a resident, I'm sitting there being like, Okay, we know they're willing to we have an idea that they're willing to spend up to around $6,000,000,000 We think we're worth 60. Let's let them keep, you know, the the Paramount Skydance, the Ellisons. They'll just bid and then say, yeah, well, it's not our best and final offer. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And what does Warner Brothers do? They, of course, again, they they rejected another bid or recommended against it.
Speaker 1:Greenland's prime minister Jens Friedrich Nielsen wrote in a Facebook post.
Speaker 2:Facebook. Let's
Speaker 1:go. Okay. They aren't really a decade behind over there. It says enough is enough. No more fantasies about annexation.
Speaker 1:He's not a fan. You gotta get on reels, buddy. You gotta do a front facing video. Use some AI. Get some vibe real music in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Get the get this Go direct. The sigma male. Yeah. You know, grindstone.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's just his statement. Enough is enough. No more fantasies about annexation. And it just cuts to, like, the Joker.
Speaker 2:Leaders in Copenhagen and throughout Europe have reacted to comments by Trump and other officials asserting their right to their right to Greenland in recent days with disdain, particularly given that The US and Denmark are NATO allies bound by a mutual defense agreement. Mhmm. On Tuesday, France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Spain, Britain, and Denmark issued a joint statement saying only Greenland and Denmark can decide matters regarding their relations.
Speaker 1:If you alone, on your own, decide to come over and hang out with us, we got some cash for you apparently. Trump has long argued that The US needs to acquire Greenland on several grounds. One, it is rich in minerals needed for advanced military applications. There has been renewed urgency after his government captured Venezuelan leader Nicolas Maduro in a daring, snatching, grab operation, not an invasion, apparently.
Speaker 2:So average gross income in Greenland is 40 to 45,000 USD. So people could be looking at that 100 k saying, I'm gonna retire a couple years early.
Speaker 1:100 k is big. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I mean, it's such a Mhmm. It is a tough sell. As much as I love this great country
Speaker 1:You mean to live in Greenland?
Speaker 2:Yeah, just if you're in Greenland and you're kind of looking over at The US with binoculars
Speaker 1:I want that crazy stuff over here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just massive, massive infightings. It seems chaos. Governors going to war with Washington constantly, right?
Speaker 1:It is interesting. The US is one of the most entertaining countries. It feels like a lot of people are obsessed with our national politics. People don't really follow our local politics or our state level politics or global politics. They mostly follow American national politics.
Speaker 1:So I don't know. Maybe they get it on it. So Puerto Rico famously has just a 3% tax rate on income. So a lot of go there.
Speaker 2:And this is why when Jake Paul fights for $90,000,000 he's actually fighting
Speaker 1:I for didn't basic think about
Speaker 2:number. He has one of the huge jobs that you can actually do very well from Puerto Rico, which is just train in boxing with a team that you build yourself. So yeah, his That's insane. Jake Paul will actually be a billionaire probably Just from fairly quickly simply because he's going to do a handful more fights, I Then he needs about a 2x from there, and he'll be good But to
Speaker 1:Puerto Rico, famously, people go there because it has a low tax regime. You'd pay just 3% of your income. Greenland, 97% taxes. That's what they should do. Why would anyone go there?
Speaker 1:It's cold and now you have high taxes.
Speaker 2:Well, but a lot of people want desperately want to raise taxes. Yeah. Basically, I mean, I'm assuming some people actually want to take it to 100%. And so if you could create a
Speaker 1:You go there. You zero yourself. And then If you
Speaker 2:you're favor of ultra high taxes, you could go to Greenland.
Speaker 1:That's a good idea.
Speaker 2:Zero it
Speaker 1:out I like this idea.
Speaker 2:You just land in the country. Then you Lose all your money. Connect all your accounts with Plaid But everyone knows transfer out everything and then Yeah. Secure it out.
Speaker 1:And then Tyler, you had a different proposal. What was it?
Speaker 3:Well, okay. So so the the the bull case for Yep. Just 97 is is that like it's a flex. Right? Yes.
Speaker 3:Can live in Greenland. I'm so I make so much money that
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. I live 3% less, and I'm still balling. It is hard.
Speaker 3:I can still
Speaker 1:afford that. Every billionaire has a plane. They all have boats. It's like, who's really got money? Well, if you can go to Greenland, lose 97% of your wealth, and still be flexing, it's like, okay.
Speaker 1:That guy's actually really rich.
Speaker 3:Yeah. But then
Speaker 1:They really made it.
Speaker 3:But then if you're if you're not
Speaker 2:It's the new neighbor who
Speaker 1:the year is.
Speaker 3:Yeah. If you're not Uber, still makes sense if you basically just have the 97 percent tax rate the first year.
Speaker 1:The first year.
Speaker 3:So then maybe it's maybe it's if you look at it in ten year increments. Right? So first year, you're basically zeroed out.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But then you got then you got a super low tax rate. Then you then you just Zero.
Speaker 1:For five years. So you walk in.
Speaker 3:It's almost like a get dropped on an island, and you gotta fight your way out.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Sort of Lord of Flies situation
Speaker 2:in Greenland. This is good opportunity. Jensen came out yesterday and said he doesn't care about California's proposed billionaire tax.
Speaker 1:Sick.
Speaker 2:Jensen Huang said he wasn't worried about a potential tax on billionaires in California breaking from a cadre of ultra wealthy residents who have spoken out against the first of its kind proposal. We chose to live in Silicon Valley and whatever taxes I guess they would like to apply, so be it. I'm gonna say it's kind of a pick me behavior for for a for bean air. Yeah. He says, I'm perfectly fine with it.
Speaker 2:It never crossed my mind once. Let's head into the comment section and put a hazmat suit in. It's not really relevant what he thinks according to Jeff. It's a question of what the policy effect impact is. If all the billionaires want to stay in the state and don't mind giving up 5% of their wealth each year or whatever nuts or thing the state cooks up, the state government will certainly not invest the money as intelligently as the average billionaire.
Speaker 2:It will largely go to fraud waste, lazy government employees, etcetera. So Juan can have whatever opinion he wants. It's a free country, but that doesn't make it a wise policy. I agree. The term carry in venture capital actually comes from video games.
Speaker 2:You just need to find one good, one founder good enough to carry your entire career.
Speaker 1:That is fantastic.
Speaker 2:This is a banger and it's it's it's So it's a banger because it's so true. Like, when I when I look at across, you know, sixty, seventy different investments at this point, if you take out, like, two or three of these founders Power log games. It's just like
Speaker 1:Much like being on Rust with a with an absolute killer who
Speaker 2:You're absolutely
Speaker 1:60 noscope while you're still figuring out how the sticks work. Yeah. You're getting carried. You're like, we won. Did I ever tell the story of of how I got my Overwatch account carried to like the absolute top?
Speaker 1:My account was like ranked one of the best in the world for a little bit. But it was very interesting.
Speaker 2:Was me. Was
Speaker 1:I I played the first season played the first season of Overwatch. Then my password was included in some sort of hack or some sort of leak. And so some hacker figured out how to get into my Overwatch account, which is not important because, like, what are you gonna do? You're just gonna, like my credit card information isn't there. You can't do anything with it.
Speaker 1:You can just play Overwatch. But Overwatch was like a $60 game or something. And so if you were hacking, you didn't want to buy $60 every time you got banned. So this hacker played on my Overwatch account for like multiple seasons and ranked way up and was like a sniper. I think he played Hanzo Main.
Speaker 1:And then years later, I got back in with my friends. And I'm like, oh, let's play some Overwatch. And we queue up.
Speaker 2:Like, Jon, what you And up
Speaker 1:I'm like, oh, I need to do placement matches. So I do the placement matches, I'm just losing because I'm playing with all these incredible the top tier. And everyone's like, why are you guys we know you're good. Why are you sandbagging? Why are you trying to de rank your account?
Speaker 1:I'm like, I'm not. I'm playing as hard as I can. I'm doing my best. And they're like, no. We can see that you're like one of the greatest Hanzo players ever.
Speaker 1:Like, you're the greatest sniper in Overwatch. We've seen your account history. You're amazing. Why are you playing poorly? And then I finally figured it out that my account had been stolen and then rocketed to the top of the rankings.
Speaker 1:So finally, I had to make up a lie because whenever hop on a game, everyone would be like, you're terrible and you're supposed to be good. And I'd have to say, oh, like I broke my hand, so I'm not as good as I used to be. Please go easy on me. I'm relearning everything.
Speaker 2:Over to Warner Bros. Warner Bros has rejected Paramount's latest $108,400,000,000 hostile bid and remain committed I called it Loyal.
Speaker 1:I knew nothing about this deal. But I just randomly said that I think Netflix is gonna run away with it. But we'll see. How high can they go? Can they go to 200,000,000,000?
Speaker 1:It seems like Paramount has
Speaker 2:They're holding out for 1,000,000,000,000. Endless coffers. Paramount continued pushing its $77,900,000,000 bid for Warner Brothers Thursday after a day after Warner said it plans to stick to its existing deal with Netflix.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Unless the price gets really crazy and they appeal directly to shareholders and the shareholders go crazy or something. Yeah. Feels like it's in the bag. You can feel the code red here.
Speaker 1:Google is absolutely crushing it with Gemini three. Gemini's market share is now at 21.5%. Three months ago, it was at 12.9%. Twelve months ago, it was at 5.7%. And I remember a year ago when it launched, it felt like a lot of the numbers that we were hearing out of Google were big, but it was because they were including generative AI snippets in Google search or they were sort of bending it into other products that already had big DAU numbers and it was not people going to Gemini, installing the app, really daily driving it.
Speaker 1:Was more demo, more testing. Will this similar web data seem to show that Gemini has been growing and taking share?
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's also worth noting that this is just like site visits. And so not every visit is created equally. Right? Somebody can land quickly on a site.
Speaker 2:That's very different from them being in the app
Speaker 1:multiple
Speaker 2:times a day. This is not looking at app traffic.
Speaker 1:The code red is real, and it shows that Google's been taking the distribution of Gemini very, very seriously. And they've gotten more traffic, which is good.
Speaker 2:This company Flip said Flip is hiring. We're hiring posters, engineers, product, growth, ops, designers, interns, enrolls that do not yet have names. And then twenty four hours later, they they quoted their own post that they've just deleted half the applications at random. We do not want unlucky people working for Flip. I'm assuming it has to do with gambling.
Speaker 1:Of course.
Speaker 2:I think the product, what they're trying to do is basically you pay more for a product or get it free.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's that meme. I've seen people joke about that. Then I saw there's this
Speaker 2:poster They're that does bringing this gambling into credit card, bringing gambling into debt.
Speaker 1:On the topic of luck, at one point, very early in my career, I wanted to create a direct to consumer product called five Hour Luck. And the whole concept would be like, it'd be a five hour energy shot. But the promise, the pitch was that it would make you lucky. It would make it would increase your luck. Just because people energy is a stat.
Speaker 1:Why not increase luck? It was not thinking about the gambling application. The
Speaker 2:placebo element. Yeah, mean, product would crush in Vegas.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Imagine just taking it and being like, Okay, I have the stat boost. I'm feeling good.
Speaker 2:Snake oil in it.
Speaker 1:Asking someone long memory. Whose long memory? If they got any new ideas for 2026. It was already rich. Yes.
Speaker 1:Memory has been on a tear.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Bubble Boy on over on X had had some pretty great calls late last year.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna
Speaker 2:try to pull We
Speaker 1:can also pull up I wanna watch this this intro from This Week in Startups. Can we move on to this?
Speaker 5:Now that you're doing so well financially, what is a purchase that you'd like to make but can't bring yourself to do so because it feels too extravagant? Answer this honestly. Tell the people what you, even Jason Calacanis, will not break out the checkbook for.
Speaker 6:It's definitely private aviation.
Speaker 1:I've been trying to hold this for long time. You deserve it.
Speaker 6:Great, unjustifiable expense of spending, you know, $50,000 going somewhere or a 100,000 on a round trip. That seemed absurd to spend that. The other one I would say that I sometimes sweat is buying a really expensive sports car. Yes.
Speaker 2:Do it.
Speaker 1:He loves Corvettes.
Speaker 3:He's a
Speaker 1:Corvette guy. Get a z r one.
Speaker 6:He's like a big open fancy barn that's kinda like a man cave, but Texas style. I buy this z r x one for 200 z
Speaker 1:r one x.
Speaker 6:$50,000, or do I
Speaker 1:buy Do Do
Speaker 2:it, Jayco.
Speaker 6:Thousand dollar Corvette's out of your collection. Like that because things become cognitive load.
Speaker 1:Let's move on to the real biggest launch, the biggest tech news in years. There's a new monitor out from Dell. Big. And I love this. So Michael Dell said, big news, the world's first 52 inch six k monitor is here.
Speaker 1:If you love big displays, this is for you. Let's play the clip from Rob Moore where he says Dell just released the product that Michael Dell and David Senra alluded to in the David Senra podcast as
Speaker 2:new products. Coming out of CES, thing that we're most excited about is just a bigger screen.
Speaker 1:It's awesome.
Speaker 4:That obsession has not dulled. We were just in your office, and you were showing me one of your new unreleased products that we can't film or photograph. But you were like I was like, this is this is like a kid on Christmas. Like, you're still It's super cool product.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I'm I'm very excited.
Speaker 4:I told you I'll buy one this. I think it's cool too. I'm gonna buy one as soon as it comes out. But I just love this enthusiasm that is just not dulling. That obsession has not dulled.
Speaker 2:Major white pill. Oh, we do. Drew Tuma is reporting for the first time in twenty five years, not a single square mile of California is dry on The US drought monitor. The rain is back. Thank you, Augustus.
Speaker 2:Have to go back to December 2000 to find a similar situation. If you're 25 or younger, you've always lived in a world where California has been entering or recovering from drought. So we are incredibly, incredibly back.
Speaker 1:Julia Black's TBPN expose in Vanity Fair just dropped today. If you go to vanityfair.com, we're right there.
Speaker 2:We did have photo shoot. Dress up. It was it was definitely the most by far the most intense shoot we've ever been a part of. She said, there are no saints. One of runs a nicotine company, but they
Speaker 1:have Not not just any nicotine. What kind
Speaker 2:of nicotine is it? Nicotine company
Speaker 1:It's addictive nicotine.
Speaker 2:That I personally am addicted to.
Speaker 1:Like all nicotine.
Speaker 2:But they have drawn certain lines in the sand. They don't swear on air. They try to avoid vulgarity. And they don't promote alcohol or drug use, mostly because they're not big drinkers themselves. And then Julie says, perhaps most importantly, and then a quote from me, the show is never gonna promote Burning Man.
Speaker 1:I can't believe you said that.
Speaker 2:Funny moment. So we were we were getting breakfast with Julia Yeah. At our usual spot. And she says, while in line for coffee that morning, Hayes dashed off an ex This good. This was right after the Coldplay saga.
Speaker 2:I said, startup CEOs can't even hug their chief people officer at a concert in this country anymore.
Speaker 1:She didn't put this in, but you ordered some food and you put so much salt on it. You just kept shaking the salt shaker and I was like, this is gonna go in the piece. Oh, yeah. I've never noticed that you
Speaker 2:put I love salt. I have this amazing story. My my grandpa was making my brother and I Yeah. Hot chocolate when we were kids. And like my grandma was away at the time, so it was just us hanging out with grandpa.
Speaker 2:And he's like, I'm gonna make the kids hot chocolate.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He makes a hot chocolate, brings it over to us. He's drinking it. He he gives us a couple cups. And we're like, oh, grandpa, this this is really this is really rough. Are you sure you made it right?
Speaker 2:And he's like, yeah. I made it right. I it's it's totally fine. Turns out he all the sugar that he meant to put in, he meant to put in salts. But his taste buds were so cooked that to him, it just He was just drinking like salt.
Speaker 1:Pure salt. Hot chocolate. Sugar you notice immediately.
Speaker 2:So anyways, I am I'm like him in that sense.
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Speaker 1:Good night.
Speaker 2:Have a great afternoon.