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People don't understand why hypnotherapy, it's so important to do it every week in the beginning, but over time, you can do it every other week, you can do it once a month, you can do it less. Imagine your brain like a jungle and when you wanna create a new neural pathway, you've got a machete and you're just hacking through the jungle and you've got this this tiny little fledgling dirt path. If you don't come back for a month, that jungle just eats that path up. It's like it never existed. But if you come back a couple days later and you hack again and now it's twice as wide, and you come back another week later and now it's, you know, even bigger, and before you know it, you get to pave it, and it's a 16 lane highway in your brain.
Grace Smith:It doesn't matter how long you leave it. The jungle's not grown in over a 16 lane highway. Yes.
Kate Northrup:Hello, and welcome to Plenty. I have an amazing guest today. Her name is Grace Smith and she is a professional hypnotherapist. Now, if you think that hypnosis is just those ridiculous stage shows, think again. We are getting underneath the surface on how hypnosis and specifically hypnotherapy can help you overcome some of the most burdensome issues like addiction, And you can follow along and we are going to unblock anything that's standing in the way for us achieving our next level in life.
Kate Northrup:So enjoy the episode. Welcome to Plenti. I'm your host, Kate Northrup, and together, we are going on a journey to help you have an incredible relationship with money, time, and energy, and to have abundance on every possible level. Every week, we're gonna dive in with experts and insights to help you unlock a life of plenty. Let's go fill our cups.
Voice over:Please note that the opinions and perspectives of the guests on the Plenty podcast are not necessarily reflective of the opinions and perspectives of Kate Northrup or anyone who works within the Kate Northrup brand.
Grace Smith:Welcome, Grace. Thanks so much
Kate Northrup:for having me. I'm so happy you're here. This is a topic. Hypnosis is a topic I really did not know much about until I met you, and certainly until I read your book. I I'm now completely fascinated.
Kate Northrup:Now I wanna get certified. Yeah. Like, the way that you teach this, it just feels like such a shame that folks don't know. So I'm really grateful that you're here so we can do you know, I can help do my small piece to help overcome, some of the limitations that have prevented people from knowing about this incredible healing modality that could probably help them with so many things that they're struggling with. Okay, so, of course, you know where I'm gonna wanna start, which is in that hospital room with your father-in-law.
Grace Smith:Yes.
Kate Northrup:And what happened that day?
Grace Smith:Yes. So it was early, early on in my career as a hypnotherapist. I'd only been doing it part time for 3 months when the very handsome man I'd been dating for 1 month said, my father needs your help. Do you think this new hypnotherapy thing you're doing can help him? So his father was a United Nations peacekeeping officer in Syria, one of the most dangerous parts of the world at that point in time.
Grace Smith:He had the blue beret. He genuinely looked like Rambo. His arms were, I mean, tree trunks. He was an absolute warrior. And one day, his United Nations convoy was crossing the city of Damascus and was stopped at an uncharted blockade.
Grace Smith:And when Alex looked out the window, there was a bazooka pointed straight at him. And in that moment, he had a stress induced stroke. He was airlifted to a hospital in Lebanon, and his family was not told any of the details. They were worried that the information would be picked up and it would really undermine their entire mission. So it was really unclear what had happened to him.
Grace Smith:After 10 days, he emerged from his coma, and he was paralyzed on the left hand side of his body from the stroke, so cut down at the peak of his military career.
Kate Northrup:How old was he
Grace Smith:at that time? 42. Wow. Yeah. Wow.
Grace Smith:He's young when he had my
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Grace Smith:Husband and young when this happened. So he being the warrior that he is and was, he said, I'm going to will myself to move. You know, he'd moved he jumped out of moving helicopters a 1000 times as part of his training. He lived in the Amazon without food and water and matches. I mean, he could do anything.
Grace Smith:So he just said, I'm gonna will myself to move. So you can imagine after 4 months of zero movement, how depressed he was, how broken he was. At that point, he had been flown to the RUSK Institute in New York City. I was living in New York at the time. And Bernardo, his son, my boyfriend at the time, asked, do you think you can help him with his depression?
Grace Smith:That was our goal. And I said, to be perfectly honest, I have no idea. You know? I've been helping people with weight loss, nail biting, overcoming fear of flying, insomnia. I've never helped someone who's been through what he's just been through, but truly, what do we have to lose?
Grace Smith:So he got clearance from his medical team. They knew I was coming, walking through this very intimidating space with fluorescent lights and white coats everywhere and me, this part time hypnotherapist who was full time in corporate America, very much feeling out of my league. I enter into the room and Alex is lying there in the hospital bed, and he can barely look me in the eyes. He's just so broken. And I explained to him, this is going to be unlike any type of therapy you've done before.
Grace Smith:You're gonna close your eyes, go and help you to relax into a meditative state, and let's see if we can help you feel better. So a couple minutes into the session, I can tell it's not going so well. He's not really relaxing. He's not going deep. He's a little fidgety on the right side of his body.
Grace Smith:And then I get this thought in my head and says, grace, he's military. Be militant. And from that point on, it was like a script just came flying out of my mouth, and I said, Alex, I want you to imagine you're in a helicopter flying over a city at night. You can see where the electricity is working, and you can see where there's a blackout where it stopped working. This is a topographical map of your brain.
Grace Smith:Go to where the electricity has stopped working in your brain. And when you get to the blackout, nod. After a couple moments, he nodded. I said, when I count down from 3 to 1 and snap my fingers, there's going to be an explosion where that blackout once was. 3, 2, 1.
Grace Smith:And when I snap my fingers, his face flinched. And, again, I'm not thinking. The words are just coming out. And I said, okay. Now imagine that the electricity from that explosion travels down the left hand side of your face, travels down through your left shoulder, travels down through your left arm, travels out through your left hand, travels out through your left finger, and it hadn't even finished the word.
Grace Smith:And Alex was moving his left finger voluntarily. So his eyes shoot open, and he starts sobbing hysterically. And he says, what do I do now? And I start sobbing hysterically, and I said, just keep moving your finger. That's it.
Grace Smith:The session's over.
Kate Northrup:And the nurses come in,
Grace Smith:and they start tearing up. The doctors come in and kinda start grilling me, like, what just happened here? And to be honest, at the time, I didn't know. I still get really emotional, because that's how I met the man who became my father-in-law. That was the first how I met the man who became my father-in-law.
Grace Smith:That was the first time I ever met him. So I was a shoo in into the family. They were like, oh, oh, Mary Decker on the so what we came to learn after the fact was I'm not the only hypnotherapist who ever helped someone who'd been through a stroke and was paralyzed from it get through it, that essentially through the hypnotherapy session, he activated mirror neurons around the part of the brain that had been damaged by the stroke. So now he walks without a cane. He has limited range of motion in his left arm, but he's able to drive.
Grace Smith:He's able to lift things up, and he spoke at our wedding and told this story to our friends and family, and we were all hysterical. So that was the day I said, enough. It is a human rights issue that people don't know the truth about hypnotherapy. People are suffering needlessly. I have to make this mainstream.
Grace Smith:And I put in my 2 weeks notice at my fancy corporate career that day walking home down Fifth Avenue. We launched our business the next week with a Groupon. I sold 954 sessions in 24 hours. I did a 1,000 sessions my first year and really got, like, a PhD in hypnotherapy as a result. That was 11 years ago, and now we're the world's leading provider for hypnotherapy product services and education.
Kate Northrup:I mean, that is so incredible. And has your husband been your business partner the whole time?
Grace Smith:So the first couple years my husband's 5 years younger than me. So when we started dating, he was still in college. I went to his graduation. It was so cute.
Kate Northrup:That's amazing. It's amazing.
Grace Smith:So he got a very cool job in finance k. Upon graduation, and he gave that 2 years. But then I was doing so well, and we missed each other. I didn't get to see him all day. His team thought he was I mean, truly out of his mind to leave this career.
Grace Smith:He was on a fast track to leave, not because I had a book, which I now clearly have a beautiful book. I had a book agent say yes. Like, I didn't have a proposal accepted by a publisher. Lisa Gallaher said, I will be your agent, and that was enough for us to say, leave your job with your health insurance. Let's embark upon entrepreneurship together with not even 2 pennies to rub together.
Grace Smith:That's a great idea. So it's been a long and winding road, but we made it. So
Kate Northrup:so much of what we know about hypnosis as a culture is from entertainment stage shows. That's really like, I've definitely I've worked with hypnotherapists as clients before. You know, we have a lot we we really attract a lot of wellness professionals. So folks, tons of folks in my programs are hypnotherapists to help them grow their businesses, work on their money stuff. So I knew about it in that capacity, and I know those people are not entertainers.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. However, like, in my lived experience, I have only ever seen a hypnotist do their thing in a show in my high school, you know, in the in the cafeteria because where I went to school, there was not a cafeteria slash auditorium. There was a stage in the cafeteria. So when you went to go see the musicals, you would sit in plastic chairs with, like, French fries underneath on the floor. But, anyway, yeah.
Kate Northrup:So what is the difference between what you do and what's happening up there and, also, what drives you crazy about hypnosis as a form of entertainment?
Grace Smith:Yes. Thank you for asking. And I'm glad that we're discussing this upfront because it's really important for people I mean, once you see a stage show like that in a cafetorium or elsewhere, you don't go, oh, I wonder if this is the thing that can finally help me with the subconscious issue that's been plaguing me my entire life. But what we have found again and again and again is hypnotherapy is the thing that can help, and we want people to start to come to it first instead of last. And as long as those stage shows are happening and as long as Hollywood continues to misrepresent it, people are gonna keep coming to it last
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Grace Smith:And suffer needlessly as a result. So the primary thing to understand, and then we'll get into, like, the nuances around stage show versus Hollywood, is that hypnosis is not mind control. But that's what the stage hypnotist wants you to believe because they think that that is more interesting, and they think it makes for a better show. But I'll give a very concrete example. If hypnotherapy were mind control, then I would have been able to help the one demographic that I've never been able to help even at all, and that was teenage boys who are addicted to video games.
Grace Smith:They don't wanna stop playing video games. They're not paying for their sessions. They have zero buy in and zero desire for the result. Their best friends are online with them. I mean, it got to the point I had a mother come to me and say, my 16 year old who is certifiably a genius as far as his IQ is concerned is wearing diapers.
Grace Smith:He's so addicted. He won't get up from this console. You know? I'm devastated. Can you help him?
Grace Smith:And if hypnotherapy were mind control, I would have helped that boy. I would have changed his brain, and he would have lived a full life. And I couldn't do that because it's not mind control. Now on a sillier lighter note, if hypnotherapy were mind control, people would bring me their spouse and a checklist and no one would ever get divorced, and no one would ever have any issues.
Kate Northrup:Right? But, like, you can't even
Grace Smith:make someone pick their socks up off the floor if they don't want to. Yeah. So you really need to want the result. And sometimes when you go to a stage show, it's not clear the mechanics behind why it's working or how it's working. So I'll I'll break it down a little bit.
Grace Smith:There is a hypnotist on the stage and they also have an assistant who's watching folks in the audience, And they'll do suggestibility tests, like imagine you're biting into a lemon, and half of the audience is just gonna sit there like this and not participate at all. Others might, like, hold the lemon and feel the waxy coat, and maybe 10% are gonna bite into it. And even less than that when they pretend to bite into the lemon are gonna go like this because actually tasted the bitterness. Right. Which means they want to participate, and they are open to the suggestions that are being shared with them.
Grace Smith:The assistant's watching to see who went like this. So then when they ask for volunteers, and they always ask for volunteers, they're not gonna drag anyone up against their will because if they don't wanna go, they're not gonna get the result. So then people raise their hand. They say, I want to be on stage. I want to participate in this show.
Grace Smith:Then the show starts with usually typically very benign suggestions. Like, pretend you're in a band and you're playing an instrument. And by the time and, you know, 9 out of 10 of the people on the stage do it. By the time they get to hump your chair as the last suggestion, one person does it. Why is that?
Grace Smith:Only one person is open to that suggestion at the time. If it were mind control, every single person on the stage would be doing the most raunchy suggestive suggestion
Voice over:at the end.
Kate Northrup:Then the final
Grace Smith:thing the hypnotist will say is you can choose to remember to forget or forget to remember what happened here today. And so half of the forget or forget to remember what happened here today. And so half the folks will say, I remember what I did up there. I did feel relaxed, and I knew I was pretending I was an alien, but I felt in control. And the others will say, I have no idea what I did up there.
Grace Smith:No idea. And it's not because hypnotherapy always produces and that's not hypnotherapy. It's not because hypnosis always produces amnesia. It's because they were given the suggestion that it could if they wanted to.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Grace Smith:And it was an embarrassing situation, so why wouldn't you wanna forget it?
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Totally.
Grace Smith:So there was someone named Anton Mesmer who that's where we get the word mesmerism or mesmerized. Yeah. And he started off as a very effective hypnotherapist, helping folks when there was a shortage of I said amnesia. So now I said amnesia. Anesthesia.
Grace Smith:Exactly. Anesthesia. But then he got a little strange over the course of his career. He started to believe in things like animal magnetism. He started to do a lot more showmanship.
Grace Smith:And so the ideas around hypnosis got convoluted with these ideas around mesmerism. So I don't have a problem with a stage show that makes people laugh. Yeah. I have a problem when you call it hypnosis because then people, again, don't turn to it when it could
Kate Northrup:be something that could save their life. Exactly. So it's keeping people from, you know, incredibly, like, life save well, you know, I think it's life saving because you get the quality of your life back. I mean, your book is called close your eyes and get free. So Yes.
Kate Northrup:You know, that liberation from these things that plague us, these, you know, these fears, these these addictions, these habits that are really, like, massively hampering quality
Grace Smith:of life. And there are real true studies, and I'd love to give you a link so you can put in the show notes to our scientific review document. I mean, incredible studies coming out of Harvard Medical School and Mayo Clinic and Stanford and Yale and, you know, these unbelievably prestigious places proving that, you know, women who used hypnotherapy, who had metastatic breast cancer had a 50% higher survival rate. So when I say saving lives, that's really not being It's for real. You know, overly generous when it comes to certain topics.
Grace Smith:So it's really important that people know about this. And then from the Hollywood perspective, they're just using this as a way to say, this character is now going to behave in a way that is entirely counter to how they have behaved before. And why? Hypnosis. And again, it's not true, and it's so sad because they could just say they were poisoned, or they could just give them a pill, or they could just put them under a spell and do the same thing.
Grace Smith:So, you know, one of the things that I'll say when people are, like, yeah. But, you know, they're just why are you supposed to take this so seriously? Well, obviously, I take it seriously. It's my mission to make hypnotherapy mainstream in order to end needless suffering. So I'm gonna take it more seriously than most.
Grace Smith:But, you know, at the end of the day, if you imagine every single time a chiropractor were depicted in a film, that they were shown breaking the client's neck. I mean, I'm talking every single time. Yeah. People would not go to chiropractors even though there's a body of work showing how legitimate it is, how helpful it is, how safe it is. It's really important that, this gets changed and that people get to see a representation of what it really is and how much it can help.
Kate Northrup:Absolutely. And you talk about in your book, and I'm wondering if you can explain now, what is actually happening during a hypnotherapy session. Why is it that you can help people quit smoking, overcome their fear of flying, quit sugar, quit drinking, absolutely. Overcome paralysis?
Grace Smith:Yes. Exactly. I know. All the time
Kate Northrup:is hanging in there.
Grace Smith:And I do understand why it's so hard to believe when it can help with so much, but,
Kate Northrup:you know It's all the same mechanism.
Grace Smith:Exactly. When you understand the mechanism, you see why it's applicable to so many things. So most people try to change their lives when they're incredibly stressed out. Most people are stressed out all the time, and stress is on the rise. And so we're in this fight, flight, freeze, survival mode that we talk about a lot.
Grace Smith:The part about it that we don't always get into is how that is our least adaptive state. That is the state where we can take in the least amount of new information, because all the walls are up and the body has just gotta do what it's gotta do to survive. So that's not when it goes, you know what I should do? Something that is incredibly energetically expensive, which is to create a new neural pathway, a new belief, a new habit. I should do that right now when I'm the most stressed.
Grace Smith:It's never gonna happen. So the whole reason why hypnotherapy is effective is because we take the client out of that fight, flight, freeze, survival mode, but also out of just, like, the regular consciousness state, which is the beta brainwave state, what we're having this conversation in and out. If you go into the shower and you get one of those light bulb moments, you start getting good ideas, something comes to you that's never come to you before, it just solved all your problems, you can't believe you didn't think about it before, That's the alpha brainwave state. That's one step down from beta or the conscious state. So when you're in the shower, you're relaxed, you're doing something rote, you're washing your hair that you've done a 1000000 times before.
Grace Smith:It's habitual. You don't have to think, like, I open shampoo. I lather. You're just doing it, so that's not energetically expensive. The negative ions from the one running water are relaxing, so you're in this new brainwave state where new ideas can come to you.
Grace Smith:Hypnotherapy is one step deeper than that. It's in the theta brainwave state. It's where deep meditation takes place. So even if you've never been able to effectively meditate on your own, that's where having hypnotherapists is so powerful because we effectively guide you there. When you're in the theta brain wave state, you're able to make new neural pathways a 100 times faster because you feel so safe and relaxed, and because the surplus energy is available to you to make those new neural pathways.
Grace Smith:So the mechanism's actually quite simple. What you do when you get into the subconscious to convince it to change is a little more complicated and nuanced Yes. And individualized. But, ultimately, that part is the same for everybody. Get you out of stress, get you into safety.
Grace Smith:Now you're more open to suggestions, only ones you want. And then make those new neural pathways rapidly.
Kate Northrup:Oh my god. This is it's so beautiful. It's very complementary to what I do. It's, like, exactly the you know, it's so, so similar, but there's so many ways to get there. Yes.
Kate Northrup:And what I love about what I've learned from you so far is that hypnotherapy is incredibly efficient. Yes. You know, I think so often we carry these burdens in our lives as, like, well, this is just how it is. And I wanna say, and I don't know if you would agree with me or not, but I I think that especially around physical ailments and mental health challenges, there's a real upside from the medical industry and from the pharmaceutical industry on convincing us that those are just what they are, and the only way to overcome them are procedures and medication because there's a lot of money to be made. And the studies around those diseases and those ailments are largely funded by pharmaceutical companies as well as the media because the ads that we see certainly in the United States are largely or often, pharmaceutical ads.
Kate Northrup:And so I just wanna bring that context to this conversation as an additional reason why this kind of incredible healing modality is not common knowledge because money talks. And we this is why I'm on this mission to get as much money as possible in the hands of conscious people so that we all can just be free of these burdens that we just decided are, like, well, this is just the way it is, and also I have to, you know, be in this other paradigm of struggle for the rest of my life. I love that. No. We don't.
Kate Northrup:Yes. And what we are going to get to, and I don't know when you wanna do it, but I know for our audience, our audience is really committed to financial well-being, to abundance, to experiencing plenty
Grace Smith:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:In their lives, and, you know, and some people may feel blocked about that. They may have patterns of under earning, overspending, financial avoidance, financial anxiety. No matter how much they make, there's, like, this feeling that there's not enough.
Grace Smith:Yes.
Kate Northrup:Whatever way those blocks might show up, being a chronic debtor, you know, and and being in a debt cycle and not being able to you know, one of the things I'll hear from people is, like, I just, like, when I don't feel you know, when I when I feel off, I just I shop. I just buy this stuff that I don't even want or whatever. You know? So that's one way, but it become a lot of ways, and I've done a lot of work to repattern my own synapses around money and worthiness and abundance. However, I think we all could agree that, like, there's always room for expansion.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Right? Yes. So I would is like, do you wanna do the practice on me now or should we? Because I have more questions about the science.
Kate Northrup:Yes. What do you wanna do first? Well, I'd love to speak to a few
Grace Smith:of the things you mentioned about abundance and the subconscious specifically, if that's okay. Yeah. And then we can do more questions, then we'll do the hypnosis. Great. So, hypnotherapy for abundance is one of my favorite favorite topics.
Grace Smith:And a lot of the key themes that we see, first of all, obviously, repeating patterns that you were raised with, you know, however your parents were with money having to break through that. Also, the ceiling. So if you The income ceiling. The income ceiling.
Kate Northrup:So common. And you pointed out in your book, very common to have an income ceiling that is the same as our parents.
Grace Smith:Yes. Why is that? Because if you are to go above that, it's sort of like your subconscious is worried, you're putting your parents down, you're looking down on them, they're less than or they failed in some way or they're lacking in some way. And so if you have a wonderful loving relationship with your parents, to go above them can feel really wrong. Yeah.
Grace Smith:Especially if being humble is a part of the family culture.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Grace Smith:And and that brings me to the next most common theme, which is if you hate rich people, your subconscious is not gonna let you become someone you hate. So if the Lamborghini cuts you off at the red light, and instead of being annoyed that someone cuts you off at a red light, you're mad that a Lamborghini cuts you off at a red light. There's something there that can be worked on because, ultimately, for your subconscious to support you in your growth, it's gotta really like where you're going. It's gotta feel good about it, and it's gotta believe genuinely that you can be a good person there. And so I love what you said that more money in the hands of conscious people who are gonna do good things with it.
Grace Smith:That is a perfect way to rewire that limiting belief that gets so many people stuck. And there's a lot more that can go into it. I just released a new hypnosis for abundance recording around debt last week on the app. Amazing. Yeah.
Grace Smith:And so the visual we did was like you so you know that phrase, money doesn't grow on trees? And so debt can feel like or taking it on. Right? Getting some brand new credit card or getting a new loan can feel like money just grew on trees. Like, it just came out of nowhere, and now you've got it.
Grace Smith:So we visualize going to this orchard. It's not your orchard. And so money's growing on trees and you're collecting it in your basket, but then at the checkout, there's all these hidden fees.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Grace Smith:There's so much stress and fear you have to take home with you. There's letters and everything else and, you know, my clients who are primarily founders of huge businesses. I mean, you take that money from those VCs. I've had clients literally followed by Yeah. Russian spies.
Grace Smith:I mean, I'm not exaggerating. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:They have a dear friend who's in a who actually have 2 dear friends who are in a pickle.
Voice over:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. They just have had to turn themselves into pick into into pretzels.
Grace Smith:Yes. Exactly. So we visualize giving that money back to that orchard. And even if you're starting with a seed, building your own and creating this beautiful circuit of compound interest over time. You know, the ape wonder of the world.
Grace Smith:Of the world. Exactly. And so it might not feel as flashy and exciting as it is to go to the orchard where there's already the money on the trees to start with the singular seed, but you own this seed. This is your seed, and it doesn't come with any of that other scary stuff at the checkout. Mhmm.
Grace Smith:So that might be a fun one for some of the people sitting here to go listen to it.
Kate Northrup:Make sure to link to your app in the show notes also. Okay. Great. That's amazing. Okay.
Kate Northrup:Backing up before we do the practice. When I was understanding when I was reading about the, beta, theta, and alpha and delta
Grace Smith:Yes.
Kate Northrup:Brainwaves, it was so cool how you said that when somebody is, in a hypnotherapy session, they're in that theta brainwave state, which is where we're our most suggestible. I was saying it to somebody the other day, and I said, it's when they're their most suggestive, and I was like, no. Oh, it's
Grace Smith:Not the word. Anyway,
Kate Northrup:the most suggestible Yeah. And that children are in that state until the age of 7. And you have 2 little ones. I have 2 little ones. 1 of mine is now a year and a half older than 7.
Kate Northrup:But my it really made me realize, especially around the media that we bring into our household or that we choose not to bring into our household. So can you talk about the theta brainwave state and the mechanism of hypnosis and suggestibility and how it's accessing the subconscious and kind of, like, how that all works.
Grace Smith:Absolutely.
Kate Northrup:Because I think that I I hijacked you. You were talking about the mechanism of hypnosis, and then I don't know where we went. So I wanna come back.
Grace Smith:Oh, this is so important. I love this. And because my kids are 3 and 6 Patrick's 6a half, so I'm like, I've got 6 more months 6 more months before the wall comes down. I'm way too hyper vigilant about this, but it's my whole career, so I would be. But essentially, at approximately 7 years old, the brain develops to the point where it starts spending more time in the beta brainwave state.
Grace Smith:Prior to that, it's almost exclusively in the theta brain wave state, which is one that is marked by a lot of inspiration, intuition, creativity, but you're also a little sponge. You're in the theta brainwave state, so you can take in new information just as we said before so rapidly. Those new neural pathways are just forming so fast. I mean, I had to go to my workout yesterday, and Patrick overheard me saying to my husband, like, oh, I really don't wanna go. And he kinda, like, pops his head around the corner.
Grace Smith:He's like, mommy, you say that now, but when you get there, you're gonna have tons of fun. And that's verbatim what I said to him, you know, last weekend when he didn't wanna go to a birthday party. I know when you get there, you're gonna
Kate Northrup:have fun. I mean, just
Grace Smith:I was like neural pathway formed like that.
Kate Northrup:And how true. And how true. I don't know. I got to
Grace Smith:the work and I was like, he's so right. So we've seen this in children. They're creative. They're playful. Their favorite song comes on in the grocery store and they start boogieing down.
Grace Smith:Their inhibitions are lower. That's also a stage show mechanism. When you're in theta, your inhibitions are lower than they would be otherwise. You're not out of control, but they are lower than they would be just like a child. Their inhibition is lower.
Grace Smith:So we have to be so careful. And I don't wanna worry parents already more than they already are. Right? I mean, it's like just a constant state of of worry. Am I even doing well enough?
Kate Northrup:I completely screwing this up.
Grace Smith:Exactly. So I don't wanna add to that. But what is great is if your children are under the age of 7, there's so much you can do so easily and effortlessly to overcome things that might not be going well. I mean, children are so suggestive that a hypnotherapy session for a child can be as simple as, you know, draw me a picture of what's bothering you and draw me what it would look like if this were real instead. Now let's crumple this up.
Grace Smith:That one's gone. Close your eyes and imagine this is real, and they're totally different now.
Voice over:So, you
Grace Smith:know, I mean,
Kate Northrup:so We're gonna do that.
Grace Smith:Yes. It's it's really wonderful.
Kate Northrup:Hypnotherapy could help my kids with their eczema?
Grace Smith:It depends. Does their eczema flare in a stress related way? Yes. Then a 1000%.
Kate Northrup:Okay. We're gonna circle back a little bit. Yay. Okay. So they're in this theta suggestible state.
Kate Northrup:And so then it it's it's basically, like, the the the conscious limitations, right, of our conscious mind. Our conscious mind is wonderful, and also it is a guard on purpose preventing us from having new new things. Yeah. And everyone just needs to get and read this book, but you you gave this great analogy about getting into a club. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Can you share what that was? Because it really helped me understand
Grace Smith:what was going on. Yes. So and I'm so impressed with you. No notes, just, like, verbatim, like, sharing my book back with me. It's it's beautiful.
Grace Smith:You're amazing.
Kate Northrup:I really like reading.
Grace Smith:Oh, I can tell. Okay. So the subconscious is not gonna fill itself up with the things that are the best for you. It doesn't know what that is and it doesn't care. It just wants to keep you alive.
Grace Smith:And it thinks that whatever you've been doing, if you're breathing, is good enough for you to keep doing so you can keep breathing. It's that simple. So I use the example of a smoker because I think it's a pretty easy to understand example, and it's also one of the things that hypnotherapy was used for most up until recent years when smoking became unsexy. Right? I mean, for the longest time, that's all advertisements were.
Grace Smith:It was just a hot model chain smoking. Right? And so the subconscious had all of these ideas around it's cool to smoke. It's sexy to smoke. So hypnotherapy was a very popular way to overcome that, and that's actually how I found hypnosis was To quit smoking?
Grace Smith:Quit smoking That's amazing. Twenties. Yeah. Cool. And in one session, I quit even though I didn't think it would because in my
Kate Northrup:session. Yes. Handled.
Grace Smith:Yes. In my high school, I also saw a weird show, and I was like, I want nothing to do with this. Yeah. In the cafetorium? In the cafetorium.
Grace Smith:Yes. Exactly. So imagine that there's a nightclub, and this is your subconscious. And everybody in the nightclub is smoking cigarettes. And there's a bouncer on the outside, and that's your conscious mind that says you can't come in unless you're a smoker.
Grace Smith:If you look different from everybody else that's in here, if you're a new idea, you can't come in. Even if the idea is like, no. No. No. I'm gonna save everybody in there.
Grace Smith:Everybody's gonna get sick in there. Everybody's spending way too much money on something that's not good for them in there. Everybody has yellow fingers in there. Like, I can help them. The bouncer's like, you look different.
Grace Smith:You can't come in. So imagine hypnotherapy is like slipping that bouncer a $100 bill so you can get into the club. And once you're in the club, now the subconscious can hear you. You've accessed the mainframe. And when you get in there and you share that good information because you're relaxed and you're feeling safe, everybody in the club starts to listen.
Grace Smith:Oh, instead of chain smoking, I'm gonna drink a glass of water instead. And then before you know it, after one session, you know, maybe half the room, they're not smoking anymore. And so those cravings cut down by 50%. You do another session, you go in, you reiterate the information, and now the entire room is a nonsmoking room. And now that's locked into the subconscious and nothing else new is allowed in.
Grace Smith:It's locked. And then one other visual I think that really helps, for people to understand why hypnotherapy, it's so important to do it every week in the beginning, but over time, you can do it every other week. You can do it once a month. You can do it less. Imagine your brain like a jungle.
Grace Smith:And when you wanna create a new neural pathway, you've got a machete and you're just hacking through the jungle, and you've got this tiny little fledgling dirt path. If you don't come back for a month, that jungle just eats that path up. It's like it never existed. But if you come back a couple days later and you hack again and now it's twice as wide and you come back another week later, and now it's, you know, even bigger. And before you know it, you get to pave it, and it's a 16 lane highway in your brain.
Grace Smith:It doesn't matter how long you leave it. The jungle's not grown in over a 16 lane highway. Yes. So it's important in the beginning to get a lot of conditioning in. It is a process of conditioning.
Grace Smith:It can feel magical, but it's not magic. We are creating a new neuropathies. So you gotta get back and do it regularly in the beginning. Yeah. Even if you have your breakthrough in 1 session, give yourself the benefit of the doubt of 6 sessions
Voice over:Right.
Kate Northrup:On average per topic. For, for, like, 1 on 1.
Grace Smith:For 1 on 1. Private sessions. Private sessions.
Kate Northrup:But if you're doing self hypnosis or listening to audios, what would be the
Grace Smith:Much longer. At least 30 days. Okay. Great. Yep.
Kate Northrup:I mean Like, 30 days in a row
Grace Smith:In a row per topic. Yep. And then if you haven't reached the goal by then, keep going. If you have, you can move on. But even if you reach your goal by day 7, I'd keep going to 30 just to make sure it's really
Voice over:faster.
Kate Northrup:To get that 16 lane highway. Exactly. And just to, you know, explain for folks who might not understand, like, these neural pathways, they're in the brain and the entire body. Like, our brain is not just our head. Mhmm.
Kate Northrup:It's our entire it also includes our entire nervous system. And as these new patterns get formed, the old ones do weaken. Yes. So you don't it's like once it's handled, it's handled.
Grace Smith:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Like but but do the work to get it handled, but it's not like bicep curls where you do the bicep curls and then if you don't go to the gym, you have to start back at the £3. Like, once you do it for a while, then you can stay on, like, the £20 dumbbells forever. Yes. So just wanted to highlight
Grace Smith:that. Love that.
Kate Northrup:I love anything that, like, is handled. Yes.
Grace Smith:I love anything that's handled. Yeah. And I think about how, you know, like, I got fairly decent grades in trigonometry when that where that was.
Kate Northrup:I did not.
Grace Smith:That was a hard one. Someone asked me to do that now for a $1,000,000. I really want that $1,000,000. I don't know that I could do it because I haven't used it at all. So that's the great thing here is whatever you're using again and again is gonna get stronger.
Grace Smith:But if you stop using anxiety, it weakens, it lessens, it will go away if you continue to strengthen instead calm, confidence, and whatever else that you're working on.
Kate Northrup:Okay. So let's stop using our financial anxiety, shall we? Yes. We shall. Great.
Kate Northrup:Okay. So you are going to hypnotize me around what money blocks, financial anxiety. What what do you what do you think would be I mean, what's the most, like, specific that we can get that would help people? Right? Because they'll be able to listen along
Grace Smith:Yes.
Kate Northrup:And do do it with me.
Grace Smith:I would love for everyone who's listening and if they're interested in this and they wanna see what it feels like to go to that theta brainwave state to still be totally in control. So we're gonna keep it a little bit generic in the sense that you can apply it to what you want in your life, but we are gonna have it be about a block that's in the way of your next level. So if that's your next level of abundance or if that's the next level of health, whatever it is, next level in your marriage, we're gonna get that block out of the way. We're gonna identify what it is and remove it. So first things first, if anyone's listening to this while driving, please make sure to not participate in the hypnosis while driving because you're gonna deeply relax.
Kate Northrup:Pause and not listen. Yeah. I wouldn't even listen. Yeah. That's what I
Grace Smith:Yeah. Just pause, come back to this when you're not driving. The whole point is to get you really, really relaxed, and and that feels wonderful in and of itself. And just to be open to debunking any of your beliefs about what this could be, you know, whatever you've seen in the movies. So it's not gonna feel like a blackout.
Grace Smith:It's not gonna feel like I'm taking over anybody's mind. It's just meditation with a goal. And so we'll do, like, a little practice round first that's 2 minutes just so you can feel what data's like, and then we'll do the full session.
Kate Northrup:Okay. Great. And for anyone driving, if you just, like, skip ahead, there will be more at the end of the episode so you can just, like, you know, fast forward. What do you think? Like, 15 minutes?
Grace Smith:Yeah. I'd say.
Kate Northrup:Fast forward 15 minutes, come to the end of the episode, and then earmark this to come back to.
Grace Smith:Perfect. Yep. And I can watch the time there. Right?
Kate Northrup:I mean, we don't have to be exact. But I just I just don't want them to miss out
Grace Smith:on this. Yes. I agree. Driving. Perfect.
Grace Smith:Okay. So everyone who's participating, go ahead and notice your starting stress level. So 0 is the most relaxed you can possibly be. 0 is 0 stress. 10 would be a full blown panic attack.
Grace Smith:What is your starting number, Kate?
Kate Northrup:I'm probably at a 5. Starting in a 5. Okay.
Grace Smith:Great. So everybody else, noting where you are beginning the process, go ahead and close your eyes. Take a nice, deep, letting go breath, already beginning to relax both mind and body. Relax all of the muscles in your face. Relax all of the muscles in your body, and especially relax your torso, breathing easily.
Grace Smith:You might need to relax the stomach a couple of times before all of the tension is really gone. Now begin to elongate your breathing, making each breath slightly deeper, longer, slower than the breath that came before it. Begin to imagine a color you love and think that color to yourself. And now imagine what it would be like if that color could become a waterfall, and that waterfall could flow into the top of your head, all the way through your body, out the bottoms of your feet, down into the center of the earth. That color relaxing you, That color releasing you.
Grace Smith:That color taking you all the way down. Now repeating in your mind after me. I am safe. I am calm. I choose to be here.
Grace Smith:Take a nice deep letting go breath, and begin to imagine yourself on a beach, Beautiful safe beach where you feel totally perfectly safe and deeply relaxed. Start by breathing in the pleasant smells, the salty sea air. Hear the sound of the waves whether they're lapping at the shore or crashing down or something in between. Notice the colors of the water. Reach out and feel the sand or the stone.
Grace Smith:And one last time repeating in your mind after me, I am safe. I am calm. I choose to be here. Now noticing your new number on the scale, Remember, 0 is the most relaxed you can possibly be. Kate, what is your new number?
Grace Smith:3. Good. And go ahead and open your eyes. Really good. So everyone else who's following along, noting your new number on the scale.
Grace Smith:So some people will have gone from an 8 to a 6. Some will have gone from an 8 to a 2, some will have gone from a 4 to a 1. But, ultimately, you can see in just a few moments, you've gone from the beta brainwave state down into the theta brainwave state, which is so much more relaxed that you are here with these bright lights, with cameras and microphones on a podcast set, but you were also on the beach. And that's what's so cool about hypnotherapy is that you're simultaneously safe wherever the session's taking place, but you also really are truly transported.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. That's beautiful.
Grace Smith:How did it feel?
Kate Northrup:Thank you so much. I mean, it felt so yummy. I, you know, I could hear like, there's this particular beach in Maine that I grew up going to, and I take my kids there. And when the when the waves come, it, like, goes over these little round rocks, and it makes this particular very evocative sound of, like, the wave slowly going over the rocks and pulling them back in. And, so, yeah, I could hear that.
Kate Northrup:It was beautiful. That.
Grace Smith:That's awesome. So that's your safe place. Cool. It can change. It can transfer more of a time, but, really, the point is to get so fully immersed in your safe place that you're in that theta brainwave state, and then that's where the work begins.
Grace Smith:So the rest of this next session, that's just the ground we lay so that those neural pathways can be made very quickly. But I want everybody to realize that from a 5 and above on the stress scale, that's the red zone. That's where we start to deteriorate emotionally, energetically, physically. That's where the gut health problems emerge.
Kate Northrup:Yes.
Grace Smith:We wanna stay out of the red zone. Yeah. So if for the folks listening who went from an 8 to a 6, do another round. Do 2 rounds in a row. Do whatever you gotta do to get to a 4.
Kate Northrup:Like, right away, you can do another round.
Grace Smith:Do another round.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Because even if I feel like if I we just were just, like, to do it again right now, which, you know, we won't. But
Grace Smith:Well, we won't if because we're gonna do round 2 and remove the block. That was just the
Kate Northrup:test. Cool.
Grace Smith:That was just the test so people know what beta is.
Voice over:So great.
Kate Northrup:We haven't even removed anything. Okay. Great. I'm ready. Yay.
Kate Northrup:Okay. But you go deeper each time, and you can repeat
Grace Smith:it right away. Exactly. Okay. Great. So there's this really cool phenomenon, where you go into the theta brainwave state, you come back out.
Grace Smith:When you go back in, you go twice as deep. It's called fractionation. So everyone will go deeper as we do our 2nd round now.
Kate Northrup:Okay. I love that. Yay. Get myself ready to
Grace Smith:get nice and comfy. Go back
Kate Northrup:in there.
Grace Smith:Alright. Go ahead and close your eyes.
Kate Northrup:Still, like, I'm just curious. Do does it matter if legs are crossed or not? It's a
Grace Smith:good question. I think there's theories that it's preferable to have them not crossed. I've never found it to diminish the
Kate Northrup:There's something about wearing heels and, like, it's just uncomfortable. Yeah. So okay. Yeah. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:More relaxed if I do.
Grace Smith:Perfect. I think everyone here is gonna get exactly the transformation they need no matter how they're seated or lying down. So closing your eyes all the way down, Already beginning to relax both mind and body. Relax the top of your head. Relax your forehead, smoothing out any creases.
Grace Smith:Relax the tiny muscles next to your eyes. Relax your jaw, letting it hang loose and slack. And the more you relax your jaw, the more you send a message to the rest of your body that it's safe for you to relax, to really relax that jaw. Relax your shoulders. Relax your arms all the way through to the fingertips.
Grace Smith:Relax your torso, breathing easily, really releasing your stomach. However, many times the torso needs to be relaxed to release all tension so that we're not cutting ourselves off from that life force, that breath. And now elongating your breathing, making each breath slightly longer, deeper, slower than the one that came before it. Good. You're doing so well.
Grace Smith:Relax your legs all the way out through the bottoms of your feet, And now begin to imagine what it would be like if the perfect staircase were forming before you. It could be sleek and simple or elaborate and ornate or anything in between. Whatever you notice is perfect and correct. And you'll find yourself at the top of this staircase. Not now, but in just a moment, I'll begin to count down.
Grace Smith:And with each and every single decreasing number that I say, you'll take a step down on your perfect staircase, doubling your relaxation with each and every single decreasing number and step down. And before we begin, everyone listening, notice what your perfect staircase is like. And, Kate, the sound of your own voice taking you even deeper, go ahead and describe what your perfect staircase is like.
Kate Northrup:It's a spiral staircase, and it has a gold banister and, like, mother of pearl steps.
Grace Smith:Yes. It's a spiral staircase with a gold banister and mother of pearl steps. That's absolutely beautiful. Now go ahead and place your hand on that gold banister, feel its temperature. Everyone else following along, do the same with your staircase.
Grace Smith:Getting ready to take your first step down now. 10, taking your first step down, doubling your relaxation. 9, another step down. The deeper you go, the better you feel. 8, the better you feel, the deeper you go.
Grace Smith:7, feeling into the velvety darkness behind those eyelids. 6. With each and every single step, you let go more and more. 5. As you open up more and more.
Grace Smith:4 to lasting permanent positive transformation. 3. Almost there now. You're doing so well. Keep going.
Grace Smith:2. Trusting what comes. And 1, be there now inside of the field of infinite possibilities. And this field could look like a field with grass and flowers and trees around the perimeter. Could have blue skies or a foggy misty day.
Grace Smith:It could look futuristic or anything in between. Become aware of your field of infinite possibilities. Breathe in the pleasant fragrances of your safe field of infinite possibilities. Hear the sounds. Reach out and touch something there, feeling its texture or its weight, its roughness or smoothness.
Grace Smith:And then reach out and touch something else that has a very different texture. Notice the colors there inside of your safe field of infinite possibilities. And you might even taste something there even if it's just a sip of cool, clean, clear water. Go ahead and taste that now. Becoming crystal clear about what makes your field of infinite possibilities so unique to you.
Grace Smith:And then, Kate, when you're ready, the sound of your own voice taking you even deeper, go ahead and describe what yours is like.
Kate Northrup:It's a wide open field, of wildflowers that has all different kinds, purple, lavender, deep orange, yellow, dandelions that are at the flush stage, and it has a babbling clean book brook running through it.
Voice over:Beautiful.
Grace Smith:Wide open field filled with wildflowers, lavender, and daffodils, the fluff stage, the dandelions, bubbling brook running down the center. How does it feel to be there?
Kate Northrup:It feels really, like, relaxing and and, like, yummy.
Grace Smith:Yeah. Amplify, magnify how relaxed you are. Amplify and magnify how yummy it feels to be there. And now in just a moment, I'm going to count down from 3 to 1 and snap my fingers, and a VIP is going to join you there. It's going to be little you.
Grace Smith:You at about the age of 5 years old, give or take a year or 2. 3, going even deeper. 2, trusting what comes, and 1, see, feel, and experience little Kate joining you there inside your field of infinite possibilities, and everyone else following along. Notice your little you, And little you can appear happy and so excited to see you, or they might be mad and stomping their feet, or they might be sad or nervous and hiding behind something. However little you shows up is perfect and correct, and you're going to have a dialogue with them.
Grace Smith:Your dialogue will be different from Kate's dialogue, and that is perfect and correct. So, Kate, describe what your little you looks like.
Kate Northrup:She is wearing a white sweatsuit and pink Mary Janes, and she has a little page page boy haircut, little white blonde hair. And she is just sitting cross legged across from me just on the ground by the brook, and we are holding hands.
Grace Smith:Yes. That's exactly right. She's there in her little white track suit and her married Janes with her blonde hair, sitting with you next to the bubbling brook as you hold hands. That's exactly right. And how is she doing emotionally?
Grace Smith:She's happy to be there. Good. She's happy to be there. So amplify and magnify a feedback loop between the 2 of you. She's happy to be there, and you're happy that she's happy to be there, and she's happy that you're happy that she's there.
Grace Smith:And just feel the happiness and the love growing next to your bubbling book. And everyone else listening, ask your little one how they're doing, and all you're gonna do is just mirror for them. If they say they're sad, say, that's right. You're sad, and it's okay to be sad. Tell them however they feel It's correct, and you're happy they're there however they've shown up.
Grace Smith:Beautiful job. Now when I count down from 3 to 1 and snap my fingers, a boulder is going to appear inside the field of infinite possibilities. And on the other side of the boulder is your next level. It could be your next level of abundance, your next level of vibrant health, your next level within a relationship or within a career, but there's something in the way. And little you needs to be a part of the dissolution of that boulder because little you lives inside your heart, lives inside your subconscious, and little you has gotta be on board with clearing that away so you can get to the next level.
Grace Smith:3, going even deeper. 2, trusting what comes, and 1, see, feel, and experience that boulder. And describe what it's like when you're ready, Kate.
Kate Northrup:It just, like, dropped out of the sky with a loud thump, and we were both quite surprised. And it is about 2 times the height of me.
Grace Smith:Yes. It came down from the sky. It landed with a big thump. It was surprising, and it's 2 times the size of you. That's exactly right.
Grace Smith:Now with neutral curiosity, with zero judgment, you and little you, along with everyone else who's listening, get out your detective caps and your magnifying glasses and go inspect the boulder, the thing that is standing between you and that next level you desire to experience. Be curious from a lovely neutral place. And when you're ready, the sound of your own voice taking you even deeper, describe what you learn about what this boulder represents.
Kate Northrup:Well, if I get close, it's very sparkly. It has, like, a lot of little mica and, like, maybe even gems embedded in it. And it seems like it's actually not held together very strongly. So it seems like, yeah, it's just not as solid as it looked from far away.
Grace Smith:Beautiful. So when you got close to your boulder, the thing in between where you are and where you want to be, you realized up close it's actually quite sparkly, and then it doesn't actually seem very solid or held together by anything very concrete. So go ahead and say out loud, and everyone following along, notice your boulder, notice what it's made of, and you're going to ask a similar question. What if I just decided this doesn't exist? So, Kate, say that out loud.
Grace Smith:What if I just decided this doesn't exist?
Kate Northrup:What if I just decided this doesn't exist?
Grace Smith:And then just with neutral curiosity, watch what happens next. It might reestablish itself and say, oh, no. I exist. It might completely disappear or anything in between. Either way is perfect and correct.
Grace Smith:Describe what happens next.
Kate Northrup:So it just kind of, like, deconstructed in this sort of crumbly misty way and just got reabsorbed into the ground.
Grace Smith:Amazing. It crumbled away, got reabsorbed into the ground in this crumbling misty way. Now it's gone. So grab little you's hand and run forward to that space where that blockage once had been. Run forward into your next level.
Grace Smith:Notice how it feels there. Notice what's waiting for you there. Notice what the density of the atmosphere is like there. How do you stand there? How does little you stand there?
Grace Smith:How do you feel embodying who you are in that space? And describe what that's like when you're ready.
Kate Northrup:When we ran, the place where the boulder had been had become a trampoline, and so we just, like, bounced off of it, and now we're flying. Yes.
Grace Smith:You bounced off of it, and now you're flying. So if I understand you correctly, the limitation, the blockage, the boulder was merely a perception. It wasn't real. Once it was gone, you found a point of leverage to take you to infinite new heights.
Voice over:Mhmm.
Grace Smith:Feel the truth of that with a capital t. Feel the truth of what you just experienced in every single subatomic particle of your being. That point of leverage that allows you to fly to new heights together with little you was always there. It was always accessible. All you had to do was ask one right question, and it was there all along.
Grace Smith:It always has been and always will be. The trampoline is always available to you. Now as you and little Kate continue to jump and fly, everyone else who's listening, your journey might look a little different. You might need to get out a stick of dynamite and blow up your boulder. You might need to sit underneath it and meditate for a couple of days to learn more about what it's like to be in the shadow, the cool shadow as opposed to the hot heat.
Grace Smith:Ask your boulder what's needed next for you to get through it, and you might get the sense it just needs to get blown up. Whatever your journey, what awaits you on the other side is for you or you wouldn't desire it. It is a part of your destiny. It is a part of your journey. And whether you get there now or the next time you listen to this recording is perfect for you and your unique journey.
Grace Smith:Wherever you are now in this moment, grab a hold of little you, take their hands, and repeat out loud after me as you look into their eyes speaking to them directly, I love you. I love you. I love being on this journey with you.
Kate Northrup:I love being on this journey with you.
Grace Smith:I will always have your back. I will always have your back. Now let's go have some fun.
Kate Northrup:Now let's go have some fun.
Grace Smith:Take another nice deep letting go breath, starting to come back to this place this time. 1, moving your feet and your toes. 2, moving your hands and your fingers as you feel little you jumping back inside your heart where they live. 3, ready to have fun with you in this life. 4, ready to experience that breakthrough, that transformation you experienced here today forevermore.
Grace Smith:5, even more energy returning to the body. 6, coming back to this place this time. 78, feeling great. 9, getting ready to open your eyes. And 10, opening your eyes, coming back to this place this time.
Grace Smith:Beautiful job. Thank you. You're so magical. That was amazing. I as a hypnotherapist, I go into theta too.
Grace Smith:I'm sure. Yeah. Typically can, like, keep it together. You went so deep so fast. I was like, well, I'm on camera.
Grace Smith:I just kept closing my eyes and going deeper and deeper, and I'm gonna be like, and a back. And that's because I can feel I mean, you know, our electromagnetic fields are really close in proximity right now. And so the deeper you went, the more I was like
Kate Northrup:That's so cool.
Grace Smith:Beautiful job. Really good. You. So what was that like? How did it feel?
Kate Northrup:Well, it's just I just think that the language of the subconscious is so fascinating because the subconscious just speaks in metaphor, and I'm obsessed with metaphor. I'll never forget being in 7th grade and for the first time reading a short story where my teacher explained, the use of symbolism
Voice over:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:In writing. And it was, like, the color yellow and how the author had weaved it, you know, woven the color yellow throughout to mean all these this specific thing. And, ever since then, I'm just, like, so into that. So the, you know, the boulder being, like, actually gems and then, like, dissolving and fertilizing the ground. Like, it was just really it's just, like, so cool what we come up with in there Yes.
Kate Northrup:When we're not consciously, you know, cognitively thinking. And I think, you know, one of my main things that I'm I'm on about in this lifetime is disconnecting us from the idea that our our genius, our possibility, our abilities lie in the cognitive. We have a culture that is so obsessed with the cognitive brain
Grace Smith:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:And, like, conscious you know, our conscious ability to change. And I do think we need to make conscious commitments to change, but the actual change doesn't happen on that level, and we have to really let go. Yes. And so that was a very beautiful experience.
Grace Smith:Yes. And everyone who listened was gonna have a different experience and be at a different point in their journey and be able to take care of that boulder in the way that is right for them in this moment. And so if anybody who was listening feels like you want additional support, you know, you can listen to just this part again. Go back, rewind, get more info from the same experience. You can work with, you know, a grace method hypnotherapist, somebody on my team.
Grace Smith:Yeah. Or if you just have a quick question, like, feel free to email our team. I'm happy to answer it because I want everyone to get the most out of this. But it it's so neat. So, like, the experience at the hypnotherapy sessions, the car.
Grace Smith:Right? And it is a wonderful experience. It's the vehicle. Right? Or maybe it feels like luxurious private jet.
Grace Smith:You know what I mean? It's so fun. It's so fun to be in beta and see what your mind comes
Kate Northrup:up with. How you don't have to take drugs to,
Grace Smith:like, get like this.
Kate Northrup:Really cold. I know it's so funny when people are,
Grace Smith:like, oh my god. I, you know, like, I've done psilocybin. I've done IOS skipped all these and then they come to me for hypnotherapy, and
Voice over:they're like,
Grace Smith:this was that without the drugs. Totally.
Voice over:Without the throwing up. And then you can
Kate Northrup:just, like, you know, go drive
Grace Smith:your
Kate Northrup:car and pick up your kids then.
Grace Smith:Exactly. Exactly. You're ready to go. But the coolest thing about hypnotherapy isn't even just how luxurious the vehicle is. It's about the actual destination and then that it's permanent.
Grace Smith:So, like, well, you just experienced this shift at the subconscious level that the boulder's not real and the trampoline's waiting, and there is no height too high for you and little you. That's a permanent new thing in your subconscious. And I'm so excited to see over the coming days when you're, like, woah. That's showing up for me. Because the hypnotherapy is not just about the session.
Grace Smith:It's about the results that live on after. Exactly.
Kate Northrup:I'm so
Kate Northrup:excited to text you and tell you what happens.
Grace Smith:I can't wait to hear.
Kate Northrup:Wow. Okay. So at this point, you know, if somebody is just feeling like, wow, I need a session, or at least I need to be guided in this, where should they go? What should they do next?
Grace Smith:Yes. So next best thing to do, go to get grace.com. Our company is grace.
Kate Northrup:Com. Okay.
Grace Smith:Yeah. We're Grace Hypnotherapy, so the website's get grace.com. And there you'll find the app, which is a great starting point. We've got hundreds of recordings for every topic under the sun. So if this little experience revealed to you what your boulder was and you're like, oh, I need to specifically work on fear of heights.
Grace Smith:You know? We've got a recording for that. So that can take you deeper into that. Recordings do
Kate Northrup:you have?
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Kate Northrup:I mean, obviously, don't list them all, but, like, what are some of the ones that come to mind that you could share that
Grace Smith:you have? The most popular are weight loss.
Kate Northrup:Weight loss.
Grace Smith:Because we do it in such a loving, body positive, centric way, but it is about releasing emotional baggage that you know is not yours.
Kate Northrup:I mean, who doesn't need that?
Grace Smith:And the studies around so they it was proven that cognitive behavioral therapy was the most effective way to lose weight, and then a study was done that proved that hypnotherapy was 80% more effective than the cognitive behavioral therapy.
Kate Northrup:And that study from Harvard as well. Cognitive behavioral therapy, I've done it. Beautiful work. Thank you so much for being able to do that. It's on the level of the conscious.
Kate Northrup:So, of course, it would be 80% more effective to just, like, go right to the source, which is the subconscious.
Grace Smith:Yes. And, honestly, if you could hate yourself into being skinny, that would've worked. Right? That's literally what we were trained to do. Would've worked right now.
Grace Smith:So everything we do is about self love, and I think the most beautiful part of this is a lot of times folks will come in and say, you know, I need to lose £50, and then they do the work and they're like, actually, £30 was what was the emotional baggage that's not mine. But now I'm in my true real body, and I love her more than ever. So it's very, very empowering. Obviously, insomnia, confidence, all the little things we discussed. And they're not little to the people who experience them, but they're more niche, like the nail biting, the fear of flying.
Grace Smith:Yeah. You know, just processing grief, things like that, abundance. So basically, what happens is now over the years, my time has become so limited because I'm training everyone in our hypnotherapy certification school. I'm training everyone who then graduates from our school and joins our team and provide sessions globally via Zoom. I make all of the content on the app.
Grace Smith:I write all
Kate Northrup:of the books. I go on all
Grace Smith:the TV shows. So I can only work with a handful of people every year. Yeah. It's a year long program. It's, a huge investment of time.
Grace Smith:It's a huge investment financially. But the beautiful part of this is once my clients invest in themselves at this level, we're then able to create scholarships Nice. As if going to our team were subsidized by health insurance, which health insurance doesn't cover hypnotherapy. So we've got a sliding scale. So you can go to my wonderful team all trained in my grace method, for anywhere from a 150 to $200 a session, which is less than the national average.
Grace Smith:Or if you apply, you can get it for up to, you know, $15 a session from the scholarship that came from the folks who worked with me.
Kate Northrup:Wow.
Grace Smith:So it's a really cool Beautiful, but thank
Kate Northrup:you for
Grace Smith:that. An awesome model. I love it so much. It inspires me every day. And then the rest of the investment with the folks who work with me, we can put them into growing the business rapidly because we've always been bootstrapped.
Grace Smith:We've never had outside investors. It's the only way we've been able to grow. So Talk about
Kate Northrup:get free.
Grace Smith:Yes. Exactly.
Kate Northrup:Beautiful way to build your business if you wanna be free.
Grace Smith:Yes. Exactly. So if you feel like, oh, I really wanna work with you, Grace, in particular and, you know, finances aren't an issue. Great. You're gonna help thousands of people be able to do this work yourself.
Grace Smith:For everyone else, definitely work with my team. They are amazing. Use the app. And again, we've got the certification school if you feel like, you know what? I actually think I might be a hypnotherapist.
Grace Smith:I think this is my calling.
Kate Northrup:I have one last question, just logistically. Can hypnothera, I mean, I guess you just indicated that it can be. I was just curious, like, do you go to events and speak? Can it be done in groups?
Grace Smith:Yes. Yes. So group hypnotherapy, typically, about 10% of the folks present have the most amazing transformative experience ever. 10%, nothing happens at all. Not because they're not hypnotizable, because everyone goes into theta multiple times every day.
Grace Smith:You pass from beta down to alpha down through theta into delta. Delta is sleep. So you go through theta to get to bed at night, and then you wake up through theta. So everyone can go through hypnotherapy effectively so long as you want the result. The 10% won't have any experience to speak of in a group hypnotherapy, setting because they just need more hand holding.
Grace Smith:They just need more guidance to get to theta. And then that 80% in the middle will have, like, a really lovely experience, but not as transformative as if it would be 1 on 1. So I do lots of corporate type really fun projects. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Okay. That's great to know. Thank you so much. This is amazing.
Grace Smith:Thank you. Thanks for having me.
Kate Northrup:Session.
Grace Smith:And I am so passionate about making this mainstream. And just as you said, you've gone above and beyond in doing your part. Again, I'm so impressed with your knowledge and everything you retained and the work you did in reading the book. You asked the most beautiful questions, and I just felt so loved this entire time. So thank you, Katie.
Kate Northrup:Well, it is an honor and a pleasure.
Grace Smith:Thank you for coming. Thanks for having me.