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You know that sinking feeling when you wake up with a hangover and think: “I’m never doing this again”? We’ve all been there. But what happens when you follow through? Sonia Kahlon and Kathleen Killen can tell you, because they did it! They went from sisters-in-law, to Sisters in Sobriety.
In this podcast, Sonia and Kathleen invite you into their world, as they navigate the ups and downs of sobriety, explore stories of personal growth and share their journey of wellness and recovery.
Get ready for some real, honest conversations about sobriety, addiction, and everything in between. Episodes will cover topics such as: reaching emotional sobriety, how to make the decision to get sober, adopting a more mindful lifestyle, socializing without alcohol, and much more.
Whether you’re sober-curious, seeking inspiration and self-care through sobriety, or embracing the alcohol-free lifestyle already… Tune in for a weekly dose of vulnerability, mutual support and much needed comic relief. Together, let’s celebrate the transformative power of sisterhood in substance recovery!
Kathleen Killen is a registered psychotherapist (qualifying) and certified coach based in Ontario, Canada. Her practice is centered on relational therapy and she specializes in couples and working with individuals who are navigating their personal relationships.
Having been through many life transitions herself, Kathleen has made it her mission to help others find the support and communication they need in their closest relationships. To find out more about Kathleen’s work, check out her website.
Sonia Kahlon is a recovery coach and former addict. She grappled with high-functioning alcohol use disorder throughout her life, before getting sober in 2016.
Over the last five years, she has appeared on successful sobriety platforms, such as the Story Exchange, the Sobriety Diaries podcast and the Sober Curator, to tell her story of empowerment and addiction recovery, discuss health and midlife sobriety, and share how she is thriving without alcohol.
Your sobriety success story starts today, with Kathleen and Sonia. Just press play!
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[00:00:53] Sonia: Welcome to another episode of Sisters in Sobriety. Today, we're so excited [00:01:00] to welcome back Lorena Christine, a powerful figure in personal transformation. Lorena is not only a podcast host, but also a mentor, motivational speaker, and coach, and she's passionately committed to helping people break through limiting beliefs, manifest abundance, and embrace their true purpose.
[00:01:17] Kathleen: In this episode, we'll take a deeper dive into her work, exploring how she empowers others to overcome challenges like perfectionism and self sabotage. Lorena's wisdom on achieving alignment and living authentically is invaluable. And today she'll focus. It's on the power of EFT tapping, emotional healing, and the importance of mindfulness practices like breath work and movement.
[00:01:41] Kathleen: So let's explore her journey, her methods, and how she continues to guide others towards transforming their lives. Welcome back.
[00:01:49] Lorina: so much for having me. I'm so excited to be back and thank you for that. Absolutely. Incredible intro. Thank
[00:01:56] Kathleen: Well, it definitely suits who you are. That's for sure. We're [00:02:00] so happy to have you back. one of the things we wanted to start chatting about is perfectionism. And I see it a lot with my clients, perfectionism. So perfectionism can definitely be a form of self sabotage.
[00:02:11] Lorina: Oh, yeah.
[00:02:13] Kathleen: how have you worked through this in your own life?
[00:02:16] Lorina: Yeah. So funny enough,I wouldn't say it's as much of a perfectionism as like this high achieverness has come
[00:02:21] Kathleen: Uh huh.
[00:02:22] Lorina: More later in life, the way I grew up, because I'm quite open about the story, but I grew up with a narcissistic step parent for much of my life. So I actually went the opposite and I rebelled.
[00:02:32] Lorina: And I was like, well, I'm not going to try for success because if that'swhat you want, I don't want that in that sense. I still tried and succeeded, but I didn't make it like I have to, you know, achieve that, approval in a sense or validation for my worth from that.
[00:02:45] Lorina: And it wasn't until I actually started my own business more that that perfectionism and high achieving started really coming out. It was always there, but I was, I didn't necessarily vote. Like I think the maybe more career corporate [00:03:00] career wasn't really, it wasn't for me. So that drive wasn't there.
[00:03:03] Lorina: Whereas entrepreneurship, I was lit up. I was like, this is for me. This is a hundred percent. I'm going all in and this is my baby, right? Like it's such deep work. So that's where it really started coming in. And it was just, I've noticed that I've almost started basing worthiness on success in my business or clients saying yes, or the outcomes I'm getting.
[00:03:23] Lorina: And I've had to really do some work around detaching myself from that, knowing that like, even though, yes, I am the, foundation of my business, it is me doing this work, but it's trusting in the process that I'm doing through. I've taken the trainings and the tools and it's it's a process, right?
[00:03:40] Lorina: It's not just me. So that's been a big thing and I do see this so much in entrepreneurs, but especially like high achieving women all around. That perfectionism, it really does stem from this feelings of not feeling good enough, feeling like you have to accomplish a certain thing in order to feel worthy or to have, feel like you've [00:04:00] achieved a certain amount to be liked, to be approved.
[00:04:03] Lorina: and it could be from, you know, family. Um, especially like if people had a family where, you know, something like. Having to go to med school or you have to get good grades in order to be approved or like we don't fail like there's so much pressure. Right? So that high achiever can really come out and then perfectionism but perfectionism.
[00:04:21] Lorina: Really? I see this so much in my client and it holds you back so much from really moving forward because it actually causes an action, right? If you're not taking the actual action because you're like, I need to know a certain amount or be perfect. Right. Then I can do it or people hide behind a lot of certifications and constantly learning and investing that way, which is great.
[00:04:40] Lorina: Don't get me wrong. I think we definitely need to, you know, especially in the coaching industry, it's not, as regulated where I think you do need to be certified to be a coach, Um, and it's just, but some people hide behind like five or six certifications and all these courses, but yet they're not fully showing up in this business aspect.
[00:04:56] Lorina: They're waiting until they feel perfect or it's like it [00:05:00] can cause things to slow down, right? But really messy action is the best way to go because you learn and then you perfect your skills along the way. I actually don't like the word perfectionism as well, because I don't think the word perfect exists.
[00:05:12] Lorina: Um, but we improve by taking action and getting messy and knowing we don't have it all figured out in the beginning. Right. But that's how that's how we learn.
[00:05:20] Kathleen: what are some strategies that you've used to manage your high achieving tendencies and stuff? We won't say perfectionism, but high achieving. So
[00:05:32] Lorina: ways that is like, I just come back to, is this feeling good right now? am I coming from a place of more ego based,you know, needing to seek validation or having to achieve a certain milestone by certain thing or comparison, looking at other people in my industry, They're farther along than I have or feeling where it's like, what's feeling good for me right now?
[00:05:50] Lorina: what do I want to do? Is it coming from, I check in, is it coming more from like a soul desire? does that feel exciting? Does it feel really good? And I check in with myself that way. I also really try [00:06:00] to, avoid going on social media too much and comparing because that can send us in a major style or a spiral self sabotage can kick in and Just really make us feel bad about ourselves, which we don't want, right?
[00:06:11] Lorina: So I would say those are some of the best ways and understanding as well is like everyone's on their own specific timeline like our past experiences shape where we are at the current moment or past beliefs and Everyone no matter where you're at is perfectly fine. And it's just a matter of okay, I'm here You know, it's if you can also get it like a video game Okay, maybe I'm at level two and someone else might be at level four and that's okay, but it's like well What do you need to do to get up there?
[00:06:37] Lorina: Okay. Well, maybe you need to work on your beliefs Maybe you need to learn a new skill Maybe you need to you know work on your self worth like there's all these different aspects and we're all in our own journey So stay in your own lane and trusting that if you're maybe a bit farther behind or you know You haven't reached a milestone compared to someone else That it could mean there was lessons for you to learn or you weren't quite ready for it yet or there's always the gift in the lesson along [00:07:00] those ways as well, and just really surrendering and trusting to the process is so important.
[00:07:05] Sonia: So I have this tendency. I just started to figure it out. To turn everything into an achievement. So even a hobby, I'll start to feel it, right? Like, oh, well, I'm not just, uh, I'm not just knitting. I'm gonna, I'm gonna knit like this crazy sweater. You know, like, I just can't let anything be just for fun.
[00:07:26] Sonia: So can you tell me especially more about messy action and how I can, um, How can I do that? How can I just say, this is for fun. This isn't for not trying to produce something. It doesn't have to be an end product. Like I don't have to be attached to the outcome. Uh,
[00:07:45] Lorina: what you're doing? is it still fun along the way or is it coming from a place of like, I'm not feeling good because I haven't finished this in time yet and I have to do it in order to feel good. Do you know what I mean?
[00:07:53] Lorina: Versus Are you, like, there's nothing wrong with, like, healthy, I don't know if it's competition necessarily, unless, you know, it's, like, healthy, [00:08:00] it's still great to have those goals and to have those big, desires and achievements that you want to achieve, but are you basing it on worthiness or needing to feel a certain way, have a certain outcome?
[00:08:11] Lorina: So that would be my first question for you.
[00:08:14] Sonia: yeah, I guess I have to think about it. I think it, it depends on what I'm doing. Right. and this was like my next question for you about like fear of failure, what is the difference then? Between perfectionism and fear of failure. And I think, I think mine actually might be more a fear of failure.
[00:08:30] Sonia: I'm not sure.
[00:08:31] Lorina: It could be. that's definitely very much tied to perfectionism, right? This fear of Feeling of what will others think of me? Who will I be? Is it going to affect my reputation? Right. Especially if there's like a lot of pressure, like I said, from family members, the pressure we put on ourselves thinking, you know, it could be if like someone has a big audience and they have a lot of people watching them and, maybe more of a public figure or an influencer for instance.
[00:08:55] Lorina: but just even the day to day work, like we live in a day and age now, especially where [00:09:00] we're so exposed to so many people. So many people are exposed to us It's a lot for people. So sometimes they put that pressure on herself so much. But at the end of the day, I really don't like the word failure either.
[00:09:09] Lorina: I always look at it as like a lesson learned because, was it Thomas Edison? Even that said, I didn't fail 10, 000 times. I learned 10, 000 ways. It just didn't work. So it was like, you, you try, right. You just try constantly different ways. And it's not about failing. It's like. Okay.
[00:09:23] Lorina: Well, I did take the action where so many other people don't even even take that action in the first place because they are afraid of the failure. But when you're still taking action and like taking that pressure of the failure off of it and saying, you know what, like success doesn't go like this, right?
[00:09:39] Lorina: it's like this ups and downs, ups and downs. And it's sort of looking at like, okay, well, what didn't work? Okay, well what can we shift to make it work? Right? Maybe there's some beliefs that need to be shifted or maybe there's a gap, a knowledge that's not there, like a mentor or a program or learning a new skill.
[00:09:56] Lorina: So that's always something. And I really think like the pathway to [00:10:00] success is being open and learning that there's gonna be times you're probably gonna fall in your face and it's gonna suck , but you get up and you do it again, right? And, and you, you pick yourself back up and you have that resilience.
[00:10:11] Lorina: And being your best cheerleader is the most powerful thing I think you can do in those situations. Um, but yeah, like I would always check in, if there's that desire to I have to achieve this, I have to achieve this. What's the underlying feeling behind that? is there a fear of failure? Is there a fear of not feeling good enough?
[00:10:30] Lorina: Right. Does it feel good? putting that pressure on ourselves when we can take that pressure off, there's such a weight that's lifted. And also we can look at it like, I'm having fun with this. we all love a good healthy competition, right? But it's like, am I having fun with this? Am I knitting this big thing and I'm going to finish it and make this huge, beautiful blanket because I want to challenge myself and, prove to myself I can do it.
[00:10:51] Lorina: But if you don't do how are you going to feel about yourself at the day? Right. Knowing that like you are worthy regardless of any achievement, any [00:11:00] external validation, like just as you are as a human being, everything else is just icing on the cake, right?
[00:11:06] Kathleen: it really sounds like self compassion and self acceptance are key parts of overcoming perfectionism.
[00:11:13] Lorina: Yeah, definitely. Definitely. And I think looking at your, your patterns as well, right? what's your strategy when perfectionism comes up? I've worked with clients before where it actually causes them to take no action because they immediately start to like doubt themselves or worry about what others will think or see others like, um, one client I worked with, she called it that she fangirls a lot.
[00:11:33] Lorina: she's like, I'm so one of those people that all sit in the back lines and see all these people or coaches who are doing what I want to do. Yep. And then my, my perfectionism kicks in where it's like, Oh, well, you're not good enough. You haven't done enough yet. You need to learn more before you can take action.
[00:11:48] Lorina: But then she's never taking action. So that was something we had to work on and realize that was her strategy was like when she's feeling down or she'll open up Instagram, start to feel down on herself and then go into inaction. So it's like, okay, why don't we [00:12:00] remove all those people off Instagram, limit your time scrolling and just eyes on your own lane, and really connect with your vision that way.
[00:12:06] Lorina: Oh,
[00:12:17] Kathleen: like the natural flow of life? Is it your personality? Like, how do you know if it's self sabotage?
[00:12:24] Lorina: my gosh, our ego is a sneaky beast. comes in at every angle. It's like, okay, well, that's covered up. All right. We'll come in at this angle. Um, I think being aware as much as you can of your own habits and patterns and like I said, your strategies, knowing like kind of tracing it back and be like, okay, when I did sabotage or when I didn't do what I said I was going to do, what happened?
[00:12:42] Lorina: Okay. Maybe I said I was going to go to the gym, but then I started doubting, if I knew enough to work out or I got embarrassed in front of other people or whatever that might be. or maybe it's like, Starting a podcast or doing Instagram lives, then that self doubt creeped in. So you're not actually showing up and doing that.
[00:12:57] Lorina: So that's a form of self sabotage. I guess that, I [00:13:00] think just being really aware of your patterns. This is why I say working with a coach or a mentor is so good because they see your blind spots, right? We can't always see that where they can see you in your highest potential. So they're aware of, of what those are.
[00:13:12] Lorina: Um, but the more self reflection journaling you do and become really self aware of your patterns, the easier it's going to be to spot them and to catch them in time. And also, I think one of the most important things that is highly overlooked so much is the identity work, like the self concept, right?
[00:13:28] Lorina: Like if you are operating from a place of self sabotage and you're, you haven't done maybe identity work on who's that next level version of you, right? How do they show up? What habits do they have? What are their behaviors? When you can get crystal clear on that, it's going to be a lot easier to catch yourself.
[00:13:43] Lorina: You know, when those that comes in and you might be like, Oh, that's an old behavior. Does that version of me, are they tolerant of that? Are they accepting of that? No. They don't have they don't have room for that. Right? So it takes time and it's difficult. Right? At first, it feels uncomfortable to, really create these new habits and behaviors.
[00:13:59] Lorina: But over time, as [00:14:00] we start to embody more of this future version of ourselves, it starts to become part of who we are and as Joe Dispenza says, love is quote, but change your personality, change your personal reality. Right? So we start shifting in that way as you uplevel your identity and your beliefs operating from a higher level, there's going to be less room for those old patterns and sabotaging to come through.
[00:14:20] Lorina: Sure.
[00:14:21] Sonia: So what, and this is something I struggle with too. What's the importance of embracing imperfection in this journey to self growth?
[00:14:31] Lorina: I think by embracing imperfection, again, it's that self compassion. It's bringing that self love and knowing like we're human, as much as we are, from a spiritual sense as well, like having this human experience, but we're still human. We have like our higher self and our lower self. You can look at it that way.
[00:14:47] Lorina: Transcribed And it's great to like tap in and check in with your higher self. And, are you operating from a place of love or are you operating from a place of fear? And, I think so often we can get wrapped up in the day to day and our ego can come in and the self [00:15:00] sabotage and All of that as well and the perfectionism, but just knowing like you're gonna make messing mistakes at times and having that compassion for yourself and just saying, you know what, I'm so proud of myself for taking action.
[00:15:11] Lorina: I'm so proud of myself for showing up or, maybe reacted a certain way or said something to someone you're not proud of, but you're like, you know what? Okay, I'm human. I caught that. I'm going to own it. I'm not going to beat myself up for it, but I'm going to say, how can I, how can I shift this next time, to be aware of that?
[00:15:28] Lorina: And then not again, we accomplish absolutely nothing from beating ourselves up over anything, right? It's just creating more of that feeling. So by taking that messy action, it's trusting. You're going to get better at things as well. I always think about driving as like the perfect example.
[00:15:43] Lorina: None of us knew how to drive a car, but you take action. Right. And I'm sure like, I don't know if you guys ever experienced this, but I know like my parents were terrified to let me drive because I definitely meant to hit the gas. And I went flying backwards one time, in a street full of kids.
[00:15:57] Lorina: Luckily no one got hurt, but like, that's, that's part [00:16:00] of things. Right. And like over time now, now I drive and like, it's just like, comes like second nature. Right. So it's just these things over and over. Or even when I started coaching, I was petrified to coach, you know, and to like show up and be in this space.
[00:16:13] Lorina: Cause I was like, Oh my gosh, is this something new I'm stepping into? I could have let that fear stop me and never take action on it. But I was like, no, I'm going to, I'm going to learn by, by taking action, by showing up and doing these things as well.
[00:16:25] Kathleen: So we're going to shift gears a little bit to EFT tapping. So can you explain what EFT tapping is? And I just want to say, because I'm a therapist and I use EFT, emotionally focused therapy, and there's like a bunch of different EFTs in therapy. Yes. So I just want to very much differentiate that. Can you explain what EFT emotional freedom technique tapping is and how it works?
[00:16:53] Lorina: Yeah, interesting. I had no idea about the one you just, um, was it? Sorry. Yeah. Okay. I did
[00:16:59] Kathleen: there's [00:17:00] emotion focused therapy, and there's emotionally focused therapy. And there are, um, really huge modalities in psychotherapy, so I really want to differentiate. This is not that. This is something totally different. Yeah.
[00:17:13] Lorina: Well, I'm interested to hear about those another time.
[00:17:15] Kathleen: ha.
[00:17:16] Lorina: Psychotherapy in the mind and all that. So it sounds very interesting. But yes, emotional freedom technique is absolutely such a simple but powerful tool to use a modality. And one of my absolute favorites has had profound shifts on my own life.
[00:17:31] Lorina: I use it in my, with my clients and sessions as well. And it's just tapping on nine meridian points on the body. And it's similar to, Chinese medicine, acupuncture as well. It's tapping on different energy points within the body. So what I love about it is that, you might hear a lot about like spiritual bypassing, like just think positive thoughts and not feel your emotions, but really this is taking into account.
[00:17:52] Lorina: You're feeling your emotion. You're working with the semantics of the body to shift energy, any discomfort. All right. You're acknowledging how you're feeling, and then you're shifting to a [00:18:00] more positive belief or emotion. Of what it is you want to choose. Right? So we're tapping with, um, may have since before, but we're tapping with the karate chop on the side of the hand.
[00:18:09] Lorina: So, typically, how it works is you would set up a statement, like a setup statement around, we'll go through a session in a moment after I'm finished explaining the basics. But, you say, even though I'm struggling with perfectionism, I deeply and completely love honor and accept myself.
[00:18:24] Lorina: And you'd go through that three times. So even though I'm feeling perfectionism and it's. Stopping me from taking action. I deeply and completely love, honor, and accept myself. And you tap on the side of the hand for those three statements, the set up statements, and then after that you start to tap through the points in the body.
[00:18:40] Lorina: So we start with the top of the head, and then you move to the, just above the eyebrows might be hard to see with my glasses on. and then just on the side of the eye and then the under eye, and then we talk just underneath the nose and then on the chin. And if you're ever wearing lipstick or anything, I know for any [00:19:00] ladies, like you can just tap with one finger under the nose so you're not smudging lipstick all over your face.
[00:19:04] Lorina: Um, and then you can tap just on the collarbone. So just where that indent is on your collarbone, tap there. And you can do one hand as well. There's not like really right or wrong way to do it. And then we do under the, where the bra strap would sit. Roughly, and those are the nine points. And then you start again through the side of the hands and you would go through as many times as you need.
[00:19:24] Lorina: So basically, the goal with this is from a level of 0 to 10, like 10 being really anxious, like the height of the scale, really uncomfortable and like zero being nothing, right? You're feeling really good. You want to get down to like two, three lower. Um, so you can repeat as many times as necessary. So there's a few different ways to do it, but typically the way I like to do it is acknowledging, even though I feel this way, I deeply, completely love, honor, accept myself, saying the step, the statement, and then acknowledging like all of this self doubt, all of this perfectionism, because you're bringing light to how you're feeling like, [00:20:00] and staying into it.
[00:20:01] Lorina: And you're acknowledging how you feel. And it's kind of the sense of relief, like all of this overwhelm, all of this self doubt. And then as you go through the tapping points, after you start to shift into it, I, I choose to believe that I'm confident I'm taking action. And what's really powerful is if it can feel a bit, maybe it doesn't feel that believable at that moment, right?
[00:20:21] Lorina: So you're, you're flipping into, I'm a confident leader and that doesn't feel like you are at the moment of that belief feels hard. You can say, I am choosing to believe. So even though saying, I have a confident because we're using those powerful affirmations, right? I am, which this works really great with the subconscious, but if it's like I said, if it doesn't feel that believe you, you can say I choose because what that also is doing is it's bringing on a sense of disempowerment because when we're feeling overwhelmed or in a state of doubt, or, our ego is very active, it can feel quite disempowering to be in that low vibrational place.
[00:20:53] Lorina: Okay. If you look at the emotional guidance scale, you're familiar with that, especially with manifestation standpoint, law of vibration, [00:21:00] right? We're attracting in what our frequency is. So, if we're in this high vibe state of love, joy, appreciation, excitement, empowered, or we're really down here in this fear, shame, guilt, doubt, then we want to bring that elevated back up.
[00:21:13] Lorina: So, by choosing to say, I choose to believe instead. This more empowering belief it's going to help raise our vibration and it's also taking away that emotional charge from the body So it's helping to relax the nervous system all at the same time. So there's so much going on in this beautiful process again That's so simple.
[00:21:31] Lorina: Anyone can do it. You can do it anywhere at any moment in time So I love to do it daily, but I'll do it if I'm feeling like I need to A bit stressed or if my emotions are, you know, checking with myself, I want to shift something, but I'll also do it from a place of just getting into a high vibe state. So I love to do like daily ones around.
[00:21:50] Lorina: I choose to be in alignment with my manifestation. I'm an incredible coach. My clients love working with me. today I'm choosing to have a great day. And it really does elevate your mood and you're just like, [00:22:00] oh, my God, I'm gonna have a kick ass day, after that. So,
[00:22:03] Sonia: Okay, I think we're ready for you to lead us through a session and then we have some questions after about it, but we should do this. I'm ready to have a great day. so I have nails, right? Like, am I tapping with my nails or the pads of my fingers?
[00:22:16] Lorina: pads of your fingers.
[00:22:19] Sonia: Okay. And are you, how hard are you tapping?
[00:22:21] Lorina: hard, just enough that you still feel the pressure, like, I guess like a medium. Yeah.
[00:22:26] Sonia: And then it's,
[00:22:28] Lorina: don't want to hurt yourself.
[00:22:29] Sonia: the head face and collarbone are bilateral, right?
[00:22:34] Lorina: and then you go from the head. Yeah, so the, yeah, so it's just here. I mean, it doesn't necessarily matter, like, you can tap how you want, like, you can do your finger or side of the hand, but it's just that area. Yeah.
[00:22:46] Kathleen: hands? do you switch hands at all?
[00:22:48] Lorina: You can. It's totally up to you. Yeah. It doesn't, like I said, you can do one hand on the collarbone.
[00:22:53] Lorina: You can do two. There's not really any right or wrong way in that essence,
[00:22:56] Lorina: So, what you can do is, I love closing down the eyes as well, [00:23:00] because I find it does help to, um, just get a little bit more in that space. So, if you just want to close down the eyes, and just feel into the space where you're at right now. Yeah, just taking a deep breath in.
[00:23:13] Lorina: We're going to focus on self sabotage today. So, this will be really helpful for anyone who, Might be going through anything where they're feeling that self sabotage kick in and they really want to shift through this so just take a deep breath in through the nose and releasing through the mouth and we'll take another deep breath in through the nose and Release through the mouth and one last time in through the nose and release through the mouth Amazing and keeping your eyes closed just bringing up your hands You can start tapping at the side of your hands at the karate chop [00:24:00] and you can just repeat after me So even though,
[00:24:06] Kathleen: Even though. Do you want to do it in our head or out
[00:24:09] Lorina: yeah, we can say it out loud,
[00:24:11] Sonia: how am I supposed to do this hand thing?
[00:24:13] Lorina: On just the side of your hand here,
[00:24:17] Sonia: Got it. Okay, side of the hand.
[00:24:19] Lorina: yeah, so even though
[00:24:21] Sonia: Even though.
[00:24:23] Lorina: I've been sabotaging myself and holding myself back,
[00:24:26] Kathleen: I've been sabotaging myself and holding myself back. Okay.
[00:24:30] Lorina: I deeply and completely love, honor, and accept myself.
[00:24:34] Kathleen: I deeply and completely love and honor myself.
[00:24:38] Lorina: Yeah, I deeply and completely love, honor, and accept myself.
[00:24:42] Kathleen: deeply and completely love, honor, and accept myself.
[00:24:46] Lorina: Even though I have this pattern of self sabotage,
[00:24:50] Kathleen: Even though I have this pattern of self sabotage,
[00:24:55] Lorina: I honor where I am
[00:24:58] Kathleen: I honor where I am [00:25:00] and
[00:25:01] Lorina: shift this now.
[00:25:03] Kathleen: choose to shift this now,
[00:25:06] Lorina: Even though
[00:25:07] Kathleen: even though
[00:25:09] Lorina: part of me is afraid of success, I
[00:25:12] Kathleen: Part of me is afraid of success.
[00:25:15] Lorina: love and accept myself as I am.
[00:25:18] Kathleen: love and accept myself as I am.
[00:25:20] Lorina: Amazing. So we'll start tapping through the points at the top of the head now. Okay. I see this pattern of self sabotage.
[00:25:29] Kathleen: see this pattern of self sabotage.
[00:25:32] Sonia: just stop and say so we're tapping on our head like on our hair. Okay.
[00:25:35] Lorina: Yeah, just at the top, very top of the head. Yeah. Okay. And we'll move to the top of the eye. Now, just above the eyebrow. I noticed how I've been holding myself back
[00:25:46] Sonia: I
[00:25:46] Kathleen: I notice how I've been holding myself back.
[00:25:49] Lorina: and the side of the eye. Maybe it's because I'm afraid of change or success.
[00:25:56] Sonia: Maybe
[00:25:56] Kathleen: Maybe it's because I'm afraid of change or success. [00:26:00] Or
[00:26:03] Lorina: or maybe I don't fully believe I deserve to succeed
[00:26:07] Sonia: Maybe
[00:26:08] Kathleen: I don't fully believe I deserve to succeed.
[00:26:12] Lorina: under the nose. This self sabotage has been keeping me stuck
[00:26:17] Kathleen: This self sabotage has been keeping me stuck.
[00:26:21] Lorina: under the chin. It's a way of protecting myself.
[00:26:26] Sonia: a
[00:26:26] Kathleen: It's a way of protecting myself.
[00:26:29] Lorina: But it no longer serves me.
[00:26:31] Kathleen: But it no longer serves me.
[00:26:34] Lorina: Okay, and collarbones. I'm ready to release this pattern of self sabotage.
[00:26:43] Kathleen: I'm ready to release this pattern of self sabotage.
[00:26:47] Sonia: I am
[00:26:51] Lorina: I'm ready to embrace my full potential.
[00:26:55] Kathleen: I'm ready to embrace my full potential.
[00:26:58] Lorina: And we'll go to the side of the [00:27:00] hand again. I choose to let this fear of success go.
[00:27:05] Kathleen: I choose to let this fear of success go.
[00:27:08] Lorina: Facing and top of the head. I choose to fully believe I am worthy of success and fulfillment.
[00:27:16] Sonia: I choose
[00:27:17] Kathleen: choose to believe that I'm worthy of success and fulfillment.
[00:27:21] Lorina: Amazing. And above the eye, I deserve to reach my goals and manifest my desires.
[00:27:27] Kathleen: I deserve to reach my goals and manifest my desires.
[00:27:32] Lorina: Side of the eye, it's safe for me to step into my power.
[00:27:36] Kathleen: is safe for me to step into my power.
[00:27:39] Lorina: Under the eye, I trust myself to handle success and all that comes with it.
[00:27:46] Kathleen: trust myself to handle success and all that comes with it.
[00:27:51] Lorina: Under the nose, I'm releasing any remaining resistance to my own growth.
[00:27:57] Kathleen: I am releasing any remaining [00:28:00] resistance to my own growth.
[00:28:01] Lorina: And the chin. I'm stepping into my full potential with confidence and ease.
[00:28:07] Kathleen: I'm stepping into my full potential with confidence and
[00:28:10] Sonia: ease.
[00:28:11] Lorina: Okay. And the last one on the side of that are on the collarbone. Even though I used to self sabotage myself.
[00:28:19] Kathleen: Even though I used to self sabotage myself,
[00:28:23] Lorina: I now choose to fully embrace my potential and feel empowered.
[00:28:28] Kathleen: I now choose to fully embrace my potential and feel empowered.
[00:28:34] Lorina: And just under the arm, even though I've held myself back in the past,
[00:28:38] Kathleen: though I've held myself back in the past,
[00:28:41] Lorina: I fully embrace my worthiness and power.
[00:28:44] Kathleen: I fully embrace my worthiness and my power.
[00:28:48] Lorina: All right, and last one on the side of the hands. I am open to new opportunities and fully trust myself to succeed.
[00:28:56] Sonia: I
[00:28:56] Kathleen: I am open to new opportunities and fully [00:29:00] trust myself to succeed.
[00:29:02] Lorina: Amazing. I'm just taking a deep breath in and releasing. Amazing. And at this point, you just want to check in to see how you're feeling and how that energy shifted. And noticing where you were maybe before on a scale of 0 to 10. And if you need to repeat it as many times as necessary to go through that.
[00:29:26] Lorina: And afterward, I always suggest as well, drinking a lot of water because we're shifting a lot of energy here. Um, so you want to stay hydrated and like I said, it's such a great tool that you can use at any point in time. So how was
[00:29:37] Kathleen: Sonia?
[00:29:38] Sonia: Um, Maybe, do you?
[00:29:43] Kathleen: I do.
[00:29:44] Sonia: even doing that, affirmation type part is really great, right?
[00:29:48] Kathleen: I feel more energized.
[00:29:50] Sonia: You
[00:29:51] Lorina: I love that.
[00:29:52] Kathleen: Mhm.
[00:29:53] Sonia: Okay. I feel like, we all can benefit from that, particular one, too, right? everybody has [00:30:00] fear of failure and self sabotage, and everyone needs to love and accept themselves more.
[00:30:04] Sonia: So I feel like you can do that one, any time.
[00:30:07] Lorina: Yeah, absolutely. And the great thing is, is like doing one that feels really aligned for you, like what your particular thing would be going through at that moment. So if it is confidence, or if it is something particular to the task, then it's going to feel more aligned. And the great thing is, too, is you can start to, get really excited and, even yell.
[00:30:24] Lorina: You know, like, I choose to feel empowered, and, I choose to be successful. And really get into it, and that's going to help really shift, shift a lot for you as well.
[00:30:32] Sonia: so, I'm wondering, do you have to acknowledge the limiting beliefs first, or can you just go right into the positive affirmations?
[00:30:41] Lorina: You definitely can. I find it really powerful to acknowledge the limiting belief because you're saying it out loud. you're saying okay, I'm acknowledging that. Yeah. Right now I'm struggling with self sabotage or I'm struggling with self belief and even though I'm feeling this way, I'm still choosing to love myself and then it's like acknowledging that, it's kind of going into that thing where we're talking about, even though [00:31:00] maybe you do fail or at something, or maybe, there's a tendency, it's not beating yourself up for a thing.
[00:31:04] Lorina: you're still whole and worthy as you are. You're acknowledging that, but you're choosing to shift this, shift this fully.
[00:31:11] Lorina: we did, two cycles, right? we went from top to bottom twice, is that important? Or can you do it, once? Or,So that's why I was mentioning like just checking in with yourself. Like I usually, some of the ones I do will be anywhere from four minutes to eight minutes, and then I might repeat them. if it's something like I really need to, to move through. I know for women especially, like as our cycles change, our hormones change.
[00:31:34] Lorina: So for me, just before I'm about to get, my period, I know soft out can really creep in a little bit more of that sabotage pattern. So I might visit EFT tapping a lot more than, whereas in other parts of my cycle where I'm like feeling on top of the world and I'm like, you know, execute, execute and like really feeling high vibe, I might not utilize it as much, but really the important thing is like bringing that emotional awareness to yourself, seeing how are you feeling and like getting that.
[00:31:57] Lorina: That's why we use that scale to like, get it [00:32:00] to a place of feeling, moving through that energy and feeling more, more calm. So if like you're really anxious or you're emotional, it's really helpful to shift through that as well.
[00:32:08] Sonia: And so, EFT, there's EFT tapping, are there other techniques? EFT techniques? Yes.
[00:32:15] Lorina: There are, um, I haven't dived that far into it. there's so many different other ones that you can with that. This is the process I mainly use, um, but there are some other ones. I
[00:32:25] Lorina: but yeah, there are different other techniques that you can do. Bye. Mainly for doing the affirmations, that could be like, say, you're already feeling really good, like how you asked if you're already, feeling pretty good, but you just want to really amp up, it could be coming on a podcast, right?
[00:32:38] Lorina: So you're feeling okay, but You really want to get that energy up or if you're going Instagram live, and you really want to be bringing the energy you can do it's almost like where you do the, um, the Superwoman pose in front of the mirror. Like, you're tapping and be like, I'm an amazing speaker.
[00:32:50] Lorina: I am so good. It's called like a, rampage essentially, you can go on this, affirmation rampage of, you know, I'm going to my audience loves to hear what I have to say. I'm such a great [00:33:00] speaker. Like, people love to hear what I have to say. You can go through that and it's going to really bring up that confidence level a lot as well.
[00:33:05] Kathleen: What are some of the most profound changes that you've seen in other people when they've incorporated EFT tapping into their routine?
[00:33:14] Lorina: Yeah, I think really a relaxed nervous system is one, um, going from a state of overwhelm, feeling anxious and constantly in this Need to do and execute and, constantly feel like they have so much to do to just feeling like, okay, I can breathe again or taking away a lot of that pressure from certain things and, feeling that emotion in the body because we can feel that anxious and start to worry and overwhelm ourselves.
[00:33:38] Lorina: But it really helps to shift things as well. Um, I would say, one of the ones for me, for instance, that I've really noticed is just building confidence. That's been a huge one as well, because, we can, again, let our mind get carried away, but by using EFT, it's really helped me relax my nervous system.
[00:33:54] Lorina: Build in that confidence, overcome certain things as well. And when I get into those moments, I know I have a tool [00:34:00] to use. So that's been one that I've seen with my clients as well. It's really helped them get into a state of higher self worth, feeling better about themselves, being able to emotionally regulate is a huge one, right?
[00:34:10] Lorina: When you can learn to master your emotions, I think that is such an incredible skill. You're not going to be overreactive to certain things or, make choices or take actions on, being emotionally charged, where you can. I mean, you can use it for anything. If you're having an argument with your partner, you and you just need a moment, go into the other room, tap it out and you come back and you're much more like relaxed and in a state of, okay, I can think more clearly now versus just overreacting, with anything at work, you can use it in your business, like clients, anything, right?
[00:34:40] Kathleen: Mm hmm.
[00:34:42] Sonia: actually sounds great because I always like need to take a pause to process things and maybe doing the tapping when I'm in my pause would be really helpful for me.
[00:34:53] Lorina: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I've totally found that as well. if there's something or a decision you need to make, and you're feeling really overwhelmed or there's a [00:35:00] lot of pressure, like it just really helps to clear. It's almost like a meditative thing as well, right? It helps to clear your mindset, clear your energy, elevate your energy and just relax the nervous system and shift those beliefs as well.
[00:35:11] Sonia: So speaking of that, that brings me to my next I know people don't love to get this question, but like, how quickly do you think people, is this like an immediate thing? Like you tap, you go through a cycle and you're like, Oh my God, I feel better. Or is this something that has like more lasting effects?
[00:35:25] Sonia: Like, Oh, the next morning you'll feel different or yeah. How would you gauge success?
[00:35:30] Lorina: I'd say both. Like it definitely brings on an immediate shift for sure. if you go through, it depends again where someone is at the beginning stage, but if you do this, if you're feeling really overwhelmed or, in a state, if you tap for half an hour, you will shift a lot of energy and a lot of your emotions quite a lot, and you'll shift on that emotional guidance scale.
[00:35:48] Lorina: And over time, It's that repetition, right? If we're rewiring the subconscious or the limiting beliefs over time, it's that repetition. That's when you really start to notice. One of the biggest things I think for myself that I've noticed and with [00:36:00] clients as well, it's when we're faced with challenging times, cause it's great on a day to day when things are flowing, life is great.
[00:36:06] Lorina: Everything's amazing to feel good and not to not react and to feel confident. But the minute we're faced with a challenge or something happens, um, it's the react to things that can be really, really good. maybe you have a client who's about to sign up to your highest, package coaching and they're all like, yes, they're about to say yes.
[00:36:23] Lorina: And then they ghost you and, or they say no last minute, that can shatter someone if you're not in that confidence that can bring on a lot of, um, overwhelmed. But by tapping over time, so you've been doing it, you built up that confidence. You might still feel like, yeah, that sucks. But if you can bounce back quick, that's where you're going to notice that, Oh, the tools I've been doing, the things I've been implementing.
[00:36:44] Lorina: Are working really well. That could be like for instance, or, just like I said, it could be in any kind of situation or challenging moment. I know entrepreneurship brings up so much, right? There's so many different things we're faced with constantly in a growth, but just day to day. It could be things with family, Like, [00:37:00] that's a huge one as well. And I think as well, parents helping you corporate with their kids is so great for helping them to move through and, and, you know, manage their emotions that way as well. Yeah
[00:37:09] Kathleen: for sure, I think those are all great ways, um, all great ways to incorporate it. I definitely could see using it with my daughter. She might not do it, but I could try.
[00:37:19] Sonia: think she'll do it. I think if you, you've got to
[00:37:22] Lorina: love that.
[00:37:22] Sonia: yeah, I think if, if she's like, if you're like, look, This is gonna, this is gonna help with your anxiety or whatever. She might do it.
[00:37:31] Lorina: Yeah,
[00:37:31] Sonia: tap her head next time I see her. I'm just gonna start tapping her head. I'll do it for her.
[00:37:37] Lorina: You know, EFT is so great. there's like studies that have shown people with like PTSD from veterans or people who've had like depression and suicidal thoughts, like they've had immense, um, improvement with, with EFT tapping, which is absolutely incredible when you think, you know, when you think about a society like medical, it's just like.
[00:37:53] Lorina: Sometimes just instead of getting prescribed an antidepressant, it's like, what else can I try first, or what can I incorporate into those things as [00:38:00] well before going down, maybe like a drug route or, or certain things first.
[00:38:04] Kathleen: hmm. Mm hmm. So, so how does EFT tapping work in conjunction with other things like breath work, meditation, movement?
[00:38:15] Lorina: So, I mean, it's a great tool to add in to those things. And it's about also, I would say the main thing is finding what works for you. Like EFT tapping might not be a favorite for everyone and that's okay. Like I have a friend who she doesn't really love EFT tapping but she loves breathwork. I personally love both.
[00:38:33] Lorina: Um, I really enjoy both. EFT tapping has been one of my favorite things and I've had great results with it. I know people also have had amazing results. And then breastwork has been like life transformational for some other people. The main thing with any healing modality or life transformational tool, find what works for you, find what you really benefit from.
[00:38:51] Lorina: Because, some people might not love journaling for instance, but maybe like going on a meditative walk, self reflection in nature is like their way of doing [00:39:00] something, right? So, because if you're not loving something and you're trying to force it to work, it's not going to work for you or you're not going to have the best benefits from it.
[00:39:07] Lorina: I love using it in conjunction with a lot of different things, EFT topping because it is shifting that energy within the body by using. The somatic practices where movement can do the same, right? So, like, dance, um, that is 1 of the best ways to shift your energy. If you're like. Wake up and you're kind of like, can't be bothered today.
[00:39:26] Lorina: You know, you're just in one of those moods. Honestly, put on a high vibe song when I even love like African drumming beats. Like it feels a bit tribal, and just like dance as wild as you want no here in the world and just feel into your body and shift like shape, right? Shake, shamanic shaking.
[00:39:43] Lorina: That's really good as well. Releasing any tension in the body or getting that out, making noise. if you need to scream and grunt, like it's, we're, we're conditioned so much. That's weird. Don't do that, but like just do it. And, um, I'm not sure if you've heard of ecstatic dance before.
[00:39:59] Kathleen: Oh [00:40:00] yes.
[00:40:01] Lorina: Okay.
[00:40:02] Sonia: been.
[00:40:02] Kathleen: have.
[00:40:03] Sonia: We haven't been but we, we plan to go. We plan, we keep
[00:40:07] Lorina: Oh my God. You have to go.
[00:40:08] Kathleen: we've spoken about it many times.
[00:40:11] Sonia: It's on Thursday nights. Yeah.
[00:40:14] Lorina: Well, this Thursday, mark your calendar. I know what you're doing.
[00:40:17] Sonia: Huh?
[00:40:18] Lorina: Honestly, it's so good. Like for me too, it's been so healing. Cause it's so empowering. and fun. It's about connecting with that inner child again, bringing up that joy and Just dancing like, no one's watching is however you want and it's completely again sober, right?
[00:40:31] Lorina: So there's no substance influencing how you feel and there's so much joy in it, but you just feel good after because you can shake off anything, any emotion or energy from the week that's feeling heavy, or maybe you're going through a challenging time and it's just this time for you to have fun and bring in that, you know, inner child joy out again.
[00:40:49] Kathleen: So it's funny you mentioned this because last night I did put on African tribal music and I was dancing in my room before bed. And cause I am going through a [00:41:00] challenging time. So I was like, I need to move my body more. And my daughter came in. And she was like, what is going on in here? And then she like, she went to my night table and there's like my goddess Oracle cards.
[00:41:13] Kathleen: She was like, mommy, really, what is going on in here? And I was like, I'm embracing the feminine.
[00:41:20] Sonia: Oh my
[00:41:20] Kathleen: so, uh,
[00:41:22] Lorina: Oh, my
[00:41:22] Kathleen: she was like, I don't know what this is. And then she left. She was like, good night. Have fun with your music.
[00:41:28] Sonia: Oh
[00:41:28] Lorina: Oh, my God, that is amazing.
[00:41:31] Sonia: I will say she, there is a disdain in her that comes out. Like I have pictures of her where I'll be doing something, I'll take a picture and she's just looking at me like, what are you doing? Like I was singing the other day and she was like what are you doing? What are you
[00:41:45] Kathleen: Yeah, she's funny that way like any time because I meditate every day and I've I tried to practice that with her since she was like two and She'll say I don't like the way you breathe or talk when you meditate I don't like how [00:42:00] you talk when you lead me through a meditation.
[00:42:02] Kathleen: She's like you do some weird voice and it's too calming I'm like, oh my god
[00:42:08] Lorina: no.
[00:42:10] Kathleen: Yeah, so I think She's 10 now.
[00:42:14] Lorina: Okay,
[00:42:15] Sonia: She's
[00:42:16] Kathleen: But she's like, she's literally like 45 year old woman. But yeah,
[00:42:19] Lorina: Oh, I love it. She'll be dancing in her room with Oracle Goddess cards soon, I'm
[00:42:23] Kathleen: Yes, I hope. I hope.
[00:42:26] Sonia: the ecstatic dance, is this something people like, okay, if they live in a place where there is no ecstatic dancing class, can they just like, you're encouraging people just like, hey, throw on a song you like, and just let loose.
[00:42:40] Lorina: Yeah, definitely. Like you can still do that in your home and I feel like dance, think about like music when it makes you feel good, right? If you put on like a morning playlist, like high vibe playlist or whatever, you might need to just get in the groove. one of my favorites, like put on this Celine Dion, yeah.
[00:42:55] Lorina: Um, Whitney Houston. you can just, Yeah, really in the mood. [00:43:00] And it just makes you feel really, really good. there's a couple of songs that I have, like, you can even just make your go to playlist or, it makes me feel confident, you can put on a song for any kind of emotion you want to feel right.
[00:43:11] Lorina: And just dancing, you can even, yeah. I mean, something that feels really empowering if you're looking to really feel more, I guess, self love in your body, just being in front of the mirror naked and like doing a sexy dance and, or in your bra or underwear, and just like feeling into like the
[00:43:24] Kathleen: Sonia would never do that. Sonia would never do that.
[00:43:29] Lorina: what if I challenge you to try
[00:43:30] Sonia: yeah,
[00:43:31] Kathleen: Yeah, Sonia.
[00:43:33] Sonia: yeah, okay,
[00:43:35] Lorina: And just it brings on a lot of like, A, you're tapping into the feminine, right? You're feeling more empowered. You're bringing on that goddess, like you can put on just a favorite song that makes you feel like sensual and fun and sexy and just like dance in front of the mirror.
[00:43:47] Lorina: And like, you're like, who's that girl? You know?
[00:43:50] Sonia: okay, I'll take that challenge. Yeah,
[00:43:55] Lorina: good competition. This will be like, yeah, you have to think [00:44:00] about this as you're knitting your big blanket. How
[00:44:01] Sonia: yeah, I will do this.
[00:44:04] Kathleen: Well, I found, I'm not even kidding, I can't even believe this is coming up today, because I found on Spotify last night, the Divine Feminine playlist someone has created, and that's what I was listening to last night when I was doing my own personal ecstatic dance. And there was like some tribal music, some tantric drumming.
[00:44:24] Kathleen: I was like, I am into this.
[00:44:26] Sonia: you
[00:44:27] Lorina: Amazing. I'm fine.
[00:44:28] Kathleen: I was close to naked, like not, but I was just wearing a very flowy, not much there nightgown. I mean,
[00:44:35] Sonia: my daughter
[00:44:36] Kathleen: was around, so she, but, and she was like, what is happening in this room?
[00:44:41] Sonia: So arena I was talking about this actually last night with somebody that like a big part of My routine is that I have to eat like reasonably healthy. I'm sort of like an 80 20 kind of person
[00:44:54] Lorina: [00:45:00] Okay.
[00:45:10] Sonia: body as part of your kind of overall wellness routine?
[00:45:14] Lorina: I find it so important and I'm similar to you. I do do the 80 20 cause I mean, I do love a pizza every now and again. And like French fries, you know, it's finding that balance. And I think too, especially, depending where you are, like you said, on your sobriety journey in the beginning for the first month, I was, I didn't care.
[00:45:29] Lorina: I was like, I'm going to eat what I need to eat to keep through that, or however long that takes. Um, and having like within moderation though. But yeah, I think for me, I noticed especially in this line of work of needing to be a clean vessel of energy to hold space for people
[00:45:43] Kathleen: Mm hmm.
[00:45:44] Lorina: feeling good and taking care of myself is so important.
[00:45:47] Lorina: and it doesn't matter what the car bodies are precious, right? It's our temple. We only have one. Um, and food plays such an important part in how our energy levels and our skin and how we show up and. So, [00:46:00] yeah, a hundred percent, I think even with, um, even with working out a lot of people, you hear them say abs are made in the kitchen, right?
[00:46:06] Lorina: Or it's like 20 percent is it's, yeah, it's the 80, 80 percent and 20 percent results, similar approach, right? Yeah. 20 percent comes from working out, but if you have a terrible diet, That's not going to really help. Right. It's sort of where you see like the really muscular guys I think with like a big like a lot of fat on their stomach like I think that's because they're probably You know, there's a lot of beer or anything happening, but there's not a lot of you know, maybe there's like working out so yeah, I think from that point of feeling good feeling energized waking up and Vitality like that's so important.
[00:46:35] Lorina: It's a huge huge part of well being.
[00:46:38] Sonia: Yeah. And I'm not somebody like, I don't, um, I'm starting to learn to enjoy eating healthy, but like I don't like working out, but I do it like most days of the week. Um, cause I know I have to because in the end it's like super healthy for me and I do end up feeling better.
[00:46:54] Lorina: Can I shift that phrase for you for a moment? If you say, I get to,
[00:46:59] Sonia: [00:47:00] get to work out.
[00:47:02] Lorina: Yeah, it's something you get to do. Not many people, there's some people who actually do it. Aren't able to do that. Right. So it's actually a privilege to be able to do that. And it's like you can shift it to like, I get to do this for my body.
[00:47:14] Lorina: I get to do this for the people I love so I can show up and be, young and feel better. So that's a phrase. 'cause I think where I was like, I have to do this, I have to do that, right? With all these different things in our lives when we shift to I get to do this, I get to do this every day.
[00:47:27] Lorina: I get to have strong, healthy legs to walk and to carry me, or I get to have strong muscles to support my back. there's. Such a mindset shift with that, I think, when we can embrace that a bit more.
[00:47:38] Kathleen: So that recently shifted for me. So Sonia will remember this, is I set a goal for myself, and it was like very, You know, goal driven. I'm going to do a hundred days of exercise. But like, it was like, I started at the end of August and I was going to set this goal for myself and I was like tracking it every day.
[00:47:57] Kathleen: And then something shifted in me. [00:48:00] Where I decided, okay, I'm going to wake up every day and ask, how would I like to move my body today?
[00:48:06] Lorina: Yeah. I love that.
[00:48:20] Kathleen: single day through like challenging and hard times. I've like moved my body every day and I am Totally looking at it from like I get to I spring out of bed at 5 a. m Now because i'm like, oh, how do I get to move my body today? What am I tapping into? And it has been such a shift. And I'm like, I'm almost 46 and I have never approached exercise in this way.
[00:48:45] Kathleen: It was always like to punish my body to like get thinner or to like, Oh, I have to, or I better do this. And it's completely shifted.
[00:48:56] Lorina: That's beautiful. I absolutely love that because I think there is such a [00:49:00] thing like work hard to get results, punish your body, such as this where when you can actually lean into what does my body want to do today? and find something you love doing, I think there's such like, you don't have to.
[00:49:10] Lorina: I'm just going to be at the weights five or doing weights five days a week. I think weights are great, especially for women, right. As we get older, like our bone density and all that. Um, and lean muscle is so important, but if yoga is the thing you love, if running is what you love, like dance, dance is such a, um, a, like I said, it brings so much joy, you're moving your body.
[00:49:27] Lorina: You can go to ecstatic dance. That is a workout and a half, you know, like. How can you bring more fun into those workouts? So, um, you know, like here, being here in Brighton now there's the sea. So I go by, have a walk by the sea every day and that's like getting steps in. And then I'll go to hot yoga or I'll like, I'll do some stretching in my room.
[00:49:42] Lorina: It's like, what, what's intuitively speaking to you in that moment? Right. I think the way you said it, Kathleen is so great. Listen to your body and with food as well, right? Like I
[00:49:51] Kathleen: For sure.
[00:49:52] Lorina: you know, if you're going to put yourself on this like limited diet of like only salads and vegetables, maybe it might help you look a bit better.
[00:49:59] Lorina: But, you might be [00:50:00] feeling like, oh, I need like my body's craving carbs. Like I need that or I need more protein or, so it's listening. And I think we've been so disconnected from. Listening to what our bodies actually need when you can work out I think and eat intuitively Um, i'm not a fitness expert So, you know take this as your listeners, but take it as you want But I just mean I think when you can connect with what your body is asking for and the nutrients your body's craving You can like i've been following this for a while and i've maintained, you know, I mean in the winter Yeah, okay.
[00:50:29] Lorina: We get a little bit of winter weight, but i've been about the same body weight for years now I don't count calories. I don't weigh myself really I Do what feels good. And it's, it takes away that, um, feeling of I have to look a certain way. Women have to be a certain way or, it's like, you know what, if one day you're bloated and you're not feeling maybe you're a bit of heavier weight, like still love yourself.
[00:50:49] Lorina: You're, you're still person. You're still who you are. Like have fun with it.
[00:50:51] Kathleen: hmm.
[00:50:52] Lorina: Okay. Maybe I need to up my workouts and walk a little bit more. It's like, it's part of life.
[00:50:57] Kathleen: hmm. This has been like, uh, [00:51:00] this is like a whole other topic we could talk about one day. Um, but it's been really transformational. Like I have always had a scale and I put, I, I got rid of my scale. I was like, I don't want to judge my health by this number anymore. And it's like really, uh, been a really huge transformation for me to be like, Okay, how, what do I need to nourish my body today?
[00:51:25] Kathleen: Is it like, Is it fresh air? Is it like, is it moving my body in this way? What do I need to eat? Some days it's going to be vegetarian all day long cause that's just what my body's craving. So like really getting in tune. It's been very transformational.
[00:51:40] Lorina: that's amazing. Yeah, that's, that's absolutely incredible. And again, everyone's body's different as well. I think like. I've tailored or tried around with vegan diets before and it was good for a while, but my body reacted not great to it. So, you know, I'm pescatarian now and I was feeling so much better when I started eating fish and eggs again.
[00:51:58] Lorina: and some people [00:52:00] don't do well with me. Other people do. So it's finding what works for your body. And like, we're from a holistic standpoint, we're all different. So it's finding, yeah. Same with the EFT topping and the modality is like, what do you love doing?
[00:52:10] Lorina: Right. Maybe manifestation is your thing. Maybe it's I don't know, maybe you love aliens. Like maybe it's, all these different things. It's like, when it comes to spiritualness, it's like, what, what works for you or health and wellness, what works for you? What do you love? Oh,
[00:52:25] Kathleen: of twists and turns today on this episode.
[00:52:28] Lorina: love it.
[00:52:29] Sonia: So, what is next for you? what are you currently working on?
[00:52:33] Lorina: very exciting. Um, so what's currently happening is I am, I've transitioned my coaching slightly. To bring in more sole purpose coaching for women. Um, so it's still the manifestation and mindset and limiting beliefs and all of that and wellness, but it's bringing in the aspect of helping women connect deeper to their sole purpose, to what it is they truly want so they can manifest that sole purpose life of theirs.
[00:52:57] Lorina: So that's something I'm very excited about. [00:53:00] And I'm also bringing in more events and future retreats into, into my work as well. So that's something to keep an eye out for.
[00:53:07] Kathleen: Very exciting. We are looking forward to hearing more about what you are going to be doing. So, thank you. keep us up to date.
[00:53:14] Lorina: Thank you so much. I absolutely love this episode as, as always the last one was so much fun. And this one was too.
[00:53:21] Kathleen: Well, thank you for coming back on and thanks for listening to Sisters in Sobriety and we'll see you next week. [00:54:00]