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Mike Interviews the Founder OF Source Elements -- maker of the fantastic Source Connect application -- Rebekah Wilson and they discuss working and living with latency.
Interviews about and for voice actors.
Rebekah Wilson: And then in 300 years when you know your great, great, great grandkids are gonna be on Mars and some asteroid and some comment circling, you know, Neptune there'll be forms of interaction. There'll be a bit longer, but, uh, for sure there will
Mike DelGaudio: will,
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Mike DelGaudio: Now, many of you may know source elements for the product source connect, which allows people like voice actors to connect two studios together with a high quality connection. And I'm so grateful that she could come and talk to us today about source connect about collaboration over long distance, and about the tech that brings us together across the globe.
Mike DelGaudio: Rebecca, thank you so much for joining us. I really appreciate it.
Rebekah Wilson: Thanks Mike. Really great to, uh, talk to you.
Mike DelGaudio: Uh, I do, I do wanna say right up front. As a member of the voiceover community, we owe you and your team at source elements, just a huge debt of gratitude for the past two and a half years. Those of us who had source connect were able to transition from working in studios all the time to working from home, essentially without skipping a beat.
Mike DelGaudio: And it was a hundred percent of my gigs. It was source connect that made that possible. I was just able to connect to studio. So I, I do wanna say for all of the voice actors who have source connect, thank you so much to you and your team. It really helped us lot really grateful.
Rebekah Wilson: It's been an incredible time.
Rebekah Wilson: These last couple of years, a real partnership between worlds. Certainly
Mike DelGaudio: I can, I can only imagine, uh, for those of, for those in my audience who have never used any source elements, products, like how do you describe the range of products that, that source elements offers
Rebekah Wilson: we're really essentially about.
Rebekah Wilson: You can work from wherever you want to work. And, uh, for the longest time that's meant saying, okay, you can have a studio that is not, you know, directly, um, in the lo same location as where other people are working. So we've been really focused on helping you work remotely. So of course, during the pandemic that became, um, you know, something we all got to know very well.
Rebekah Wilson: Um, and now since the pandemic. As we've seen people shift back to wanting to work together, but sometimes, and in some ways and some part of the day or some part of the week, or maybe they go on a vacation and they're still in another studio, and now it's becoming this really interesting sort of hybrid, um, set of, of working this new workflow that are needed, um, uh, that are new.
Rebekah Wilson: And it's so exciting for us. We like, we, we are getting to start again on imagining, um, what we need to build. So, uh, but essentially, yes, that's remote working. Um, Mike, I don't know. Did you ever have an ISDN box in your studio?
Mike DelGaudio: I didn't, uh, not in my home studio. I had used ISDN in by, but I had to go to another studio and I might connect from, you know, Pittsburgh to LA or something like that, but it was never
Rebekah Wilson: available.
Rebekah Wilson: Yeah. So if you had to then, you know, make a call to, you know, across the, the, the country, you know, you'd have to go to a studio and they dialed it in and, or, you know, if you were using it enough every day, maybe, you know, there were people who did get to have it in their own studios. If, if it made sense, it was, you know, in the early two thousands.
Rebekah Wilson: The internet just got fast enough that my co-founder and I, you know, were like, just, we can do this on the internet. And this is just before Skype. So, you know, there, weren't really a lot of examples of how you could do this. Um, we just went, gungho being young and, you know, not knowing enough and knowing just too much to be dangerous.
Rebekah Wilson: and, uh, didn't
Mike DelGaudio: know it was impossible at the time. No,
Rebekah Wilson: we did not. So.
Mike DelGaudio: So you were really ahead of the curve. I mean, it's the first thing that I can think of, like you said, predate Skype, which was really sort of the first, I think, high quality connection over the internet that people experienced, but you, you predated it was it just replacing is SDN, was, was the idea was, is, is that where it came from?
Mike DelGaudio: Just trying to disrupt ID.
Rebekah Wilson: What was important to me was growing up in, in an island very far away. I'm from New Zealand. Ah, right. And I spent the first 20 years of my life there. Um, so growing up in the seventies and eighties where, um, culture was two months, a year behind, you know, interesting. That's you kind of, it's hard to imagine now because it doesn't like that anymore.
Rebekah Wilson: You know, there are no very few children growing up now, not knowing. Training on TikTok, but right. We did not have trending. We had what was happening two years ago. Finally made it to New Zealand. Yes, it did. I
Mike DelGaudio: certainly remember that as a kid, you know, being in the states, we would get the movies and then they would get sent to Europe and then progressively there was an intentional.
Mike DelGaudio: Huge delay. They would exhaust a whole market before they moved it. I, I think, and now it's, you know, the global, global premiere of everything's right. It's really changed quite a bit.
Rebekah Wilson: Then in the mid nineties, when I first got on the internet and I I'm at a computer, I'm sitting in a terminal and suddenly I'm, you know, text chatting to somebody in the other side of the world and what the, I.
Rebekah Wilson: That's just, you know, the colloquial blew my mind. Yeah. Right. That. I, I will never forget that feeling of the world, like opening up. And, uh, so I've just been enthralled, um, since,
Mike DelGaudio: and now we take it. So for granted that, that you and I can mm-hmm that you and I can, can do this and that we've, that we've got these tools really do take it for granted.
Mike DelGaudio: Um, Before we go, uh, into some of the more esoteric things. There are, there are lots of different products in, in source elements that you offer. Um, do you wanna just thumbnail, like what the different range, what, what different uses that people would have for your different products? Like what, what markets do you really target with your products?
Rebekah Wilson: Yeah, of course. So source connector is a broad range. One of the big uses of course, is, uh, voice acting. So to do, uh, promo work, you know, anything that's short turnaround, it's really great that you can just use it from where you are. You can, you know, keep one of these like microphones in your pocket and anytime it's needed, like boom, you know, do a, a, um, Directed session versus just recording file and sending it off and hoping it's good.
Rebekah Wilson: But then getting a message to us later saying, I need a change or it's two seconds too long. And then you're like, oh crap. I'm at the beach already. You know? So we save those things happening. Yeah. Directed sessions. So it's. Primarily about direct decisions. It's about being together and the same time to enable, to make the work go smoother, to make it go faster, to make it be better quality.
Rebekah Wilson: Because when we work together in time, when we are sharing time together, um, you know, that's what humans we are made for. We are made for this, you know, we communicate by responding to each. And so source connect is very much about that. And it's, uh, so all the other tools that we make source live, which is for high quality video, um, or source, uh, nexus, which is to a routing tools.
Rebekah Wilson: So for example, you know, if we were using, uh, zoom or Microsoft teams, you could record the inter pro tools at the same time, as you say, using source connect, and you can have everyone coming back and you could use your pros, you know, mixer and all of these things. So we. We help you be remote, um, in the best way as possible that we know I've watched
Mike DelGaudio: a, a number of your videos.
Mike DelGaudio: I've watched a number of your videos over time. Like, I was really fascinated how, how you could, uh, you have an orchestra in one continent, the director in another continent, working with a voice actor and yet another continent, how you can, how you can bring it all together, but it's more than. I think the products I've seen it's more than just the ability to talk face to face.
Mike DelGaudio: You can also synchronize the video. Um, you know, you can have somebody press play on the video in, in one continent and it will play on the other one on, on, on both both sessions for things like ADR and for, for overdub kind of scenarios, you can do all sorts of stuff with a cant. You,
yeah,
Rebekah Wilson: exactly. It's for producing media.
Rebekah Wilson: It's for working with time based media.
Mike DelGaudio: I'm sure. You've got a lot of war stories over the, over the past few years. Can you think of times when source connect has like really rescued rescued sessions or has it, has it bailed people out? Anything that you've heard?
Rebekah Wilson: Uh, a voice actor that we, uh, love. I'm not gonna use any names, cuz I don't want, I've got too many favorites and I don't wanna make you feel bad, but we love so many, you know, talking about promo work, being told, you know, like this has to be done now and pulling over the car on the side of the highway.
Rebekah Wilson: And doing an important session with source connect from the laptop with 4g. I mean, you know, those kind of thing, the things that makes me happiest is hearing stories about saying people saying I'm I was able to be with my family at an important time, right. This is to, you know, Hugely hugely important.
Rebekah Wilson: You know, that there is a lot of heart that goes into what we do. Um, the same for me, I've lived in 15 countries because of source connect. Is that right? Yeah, because I've, you know, when, when we made it, I was. You know, in New Zealand and then I moved to Australia and then to Europe, and then I've been able to, you know, spend a summer in Chicago and then moved to Mexico.
Rebekah Wilson: And I live in the Netherlands now and, or I go to Portugal for the summer and I'm going to Spain next week. I mean, I can get working and what. What an incredible thing that we have for
Mike DelGaudio: sure. For sure. It's certainly been that that's been my experience. I haven't traveled nearly as extensively as, as you, but, uh, I know that I can, I can confidently say that.
Mike DelGaudio: I can work wherever I have an internet connection. Yeah. And a quiet enough studio. Exactly. I can work anywhere. It doesn't matter where I live. I don't need to be, I happen to be close to New York city, but I don't have to be in New York city anymore. And so many of the studios I work with they're like, as long as your booth sounds pro.
Mike DelGaudio: You can be, you can be wherever it's true, wherever you want. And it really is. Yeah, really is true. Yeah.
Rebekah Wilson: You can turn a closet into a recording session studio in no
Mike DelGaudio: time. Absolutely. Um, I, I wanna, I wanna detour into something. I watched, uh, you did a keynote from a web audio conference, a couple of, uh, maybe.
Mike DelGaudio: Couple of years ago.
Rebekah Wilson: Yeah, 2019. Now it feels like a lifetime ago.
Mike DelGaudio: and you had a, it was about being latency native. Um, so latency being just the delay between conversations mm-hmm and. It really got me. It really got me thinking. Um, can we talk about the, the concept of, of latency, what it means to us as, as people, what it means to, how we interact with each other?
Mike DelGaudio: Um, I, it really got me thinking and I'd love to explore more of your, your thoughts on it. If we could, the,
Rebekah Wilson: the beautiful thing, that's fascinating thing that we forget, or we don't think about there's latency in every single interaction and there's so much latency. And then all we've done is gone and added a little bit more.
Rebekah Wilson: But what's funny is that, you know, this digital age has come so quickly. So suddenly we, you and I have not evolved. Maybe our grandkids might, you know, be latency negative. We're like latency awkward. And, um, but there is latency in the time it takes to process. Um, sound the air. It comes into your air canal and turn it into electrical signals.
Rebekah Wilson: Then there's latency the time it takes the electrical signal to turn into something that your neurons can understand. And then this time it takes your neurons to tell your conscious brain, Hey, there's something going on and then there's time for your conscious brain to go. Hmm. What's that sound I have to think.
Rebekah Wilson: Does it match anything? I know. And so your cognitive latency is actually the highest latency at all. It's higher often than the internet. But we, we, we live it's normal to us, so we don't experience it. We don't, we don't know that there are these latencies, you know, if I, you know, say to you, like, let's clap in time, we can't just start doing it.
Rebekah Wilson: We have to line ourselves up and look at each other and synchronize and then go, okay. 1, 2, 3, because we know we can't just synchronize. We have to process. And what I love so much is the Internet's just gone. Here's some more latency for you have fun. You'll be fine in a couple of generations.
Mike DelGaudio: well, it, it really is interesting cuz when we, when we started talking about latency, I feel like.
Mike DelGaudio: The the digital world, while we have more capability, we have introduced a lot more latency into our lives. I think about, you know, when my, when I've lost my phone and my, you know, I have my family member, could you call me on the phone? And we are right next to each other on our cell phone, but there's a, you know, but there's a half second.
Mike DelGaudio: There's a half second of latency, a quarter, second, half second of latency. That is just sort of inbuilt into every phone. Yeah. But you and I are of an age that we remember when telephones were a copper wire connection between us. And so actually our analog, there was, there was a faster connection between us when we would talk on the phone, for example, 40 years ago than today.
Mike DelGaudio: Yeah. That latency got worse, I think. Yeah.
Rebekah Wilson: Well, over ti over distance, because I don't know if you ever made a long distance call, you know, back when it was on, uh, copper, but you know, you were talking about two seconds, like switching latencies. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. London.
Mike DelGaudio: And you'd really have to lose.
Rebekah Wilson: Oh my right.
Rebekah Wilson: Yeah. And you'd have to slow down and wait to the other person. I mean, that's why they have, you know, on the radio, like over, you know, yeah. Right. You have to signal, I'm done talking. It's your turn, right.
Mike DelGaudio: I'm out. Do you think that there's a, that there's a, a point at which latency becomes. Very problematic and then not problematic.
Mike DelGaudio: What I'm thinking about is the, the, when we have a, a latency between our conversation of say a quarter second, a half second, one second, very unpleasant. It makes it very difficult to communicate. But then when we have latency of. Two or three minutes. Mm-hmm it seems like it's much easier for us to deal with a very, very long latency than this sort of valley between maybe 30 milliseconds and 2000 milliseconds.
Mike DelGaudio: Do you remember
Rebekah Wilson: you might've just got more time to cogni cognitively process what's going on? Yeah. Formulate a more elegant reply with Peter grammar. So , I just appreciate that, but then you can't do off the cuff, uh, you know, comedy and stuff. So, and that's an interesting topic. You bring up like, you know, these latencies we have right here, you know, we can laugh together.
Rebekah Wilson: We can make jokes. It's low latency enough to do that, but you add another person who might be in another country. and, um, if I see, you know, if you guys were closer together and you make a joke and then I see the other person start laughing before that's going to disrupt my comprehension of the joke.
Rebekah Wilson: Cause I'd be like, oh, what have I missed? I'm already, those few milliseconds can really make a difference. So between one to one, the internet latency. Kind of fine for communication. It's when you have groups of people, then we are in new territory and this is really fun
Mike DelGaudio: starts. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I also feel like, I didn't realize sort of how much thinking we can do in a half second, certainly when I've had phone conversations or when we've had these conversations, if there is just that little, tiny bit of latency where you say a.
Mike DelGaudio: And you wait for it to land on the other end mm-hmm and you can do a lot of thinking. Did I say it wrong? Did I not get the joke? Did I, did I insult them? What happened? Did we get disconnected? Like you can do a whole lot of thinking yeah.
Rebekah Wilson: And you know, to go back to, to acting, to voice acting, you know, this is really important because that timing acting as timing, performing as timing it's rhythm.
Rebekah Wilson: Right. You know, so that landing of your note of your words, oh, you gotta get that right. You gotta get it
Mike DelGaudio: exactly right. I know. So you have
Rebekah Wilson: to become native with the link.
Mike DelGaudio: Right? Right. I, I know that so many, uh, my wife is in theater and so many theaters when they transition from having no audiences to trying to do things.
Mike DelGaudio: Oh yeah. Over zoom. They would consistently, especially when comedy was involved, they would just, they would fall. Because it is so much about, about, really about timing. And if you had five people on a zoom, you know, trying to do a performance. That latency, no jokes would land. You couldn't go fast enough.
Mike DelGaudio: This
Rebekah Wilson: is where it gets exciting. So maybe traditional theater that they're gonna do in a theater room, isn't gonna work on a network performance environment. What kind of environment, what kind of theater does work in the environment? We are very, very good at being creative in coming up with new forms of.
Rebekah Wilson: So imagine what, you know, teenagers are doing, you know, right now when they're, you know, FaceTiming each other and they've got 10 or 20 of their classmates online, they're making it work
Mike DelGaudio: for sure. There's a, um, the D the D a w I use is called Reaper. Awesome. Great. And it's great. And there's a, there's a, a component built into it called, um, N jam mm-hmm and that whole thing is built on huge latencies.
Mike DelGaudio: And I think there's really new and interesting ways that people are collaborating. Exactly. Because you, you decide how many measures of latency do we want? Do we wanna be four or 16 bars behind each other? Yeah. And all of a sudden you've got new kinds of music. Mm-hmm, where you're responding to ideas that happened.
Mike DelGaudio: 10 20 or 30 seconds ago. Really? Interesting. Really interesting. Yeah. It's fascinating in your, um, keynote, you talked about how we will innovate around things like latency. And I also think that there may be some, we may become nostalgic for it. At some point we seem to become nostalgic for the things that were problems.
Mike DelGaudio: You know, a long time ago, we've got tape saturation, plugins, we've got video plugins that make it look like VCR tracking errors, there's music, that's, uh, all around glitches. That sound like you're skipping CD, that we turn into things that we love. where's the
Rebekah Wilson: plugin that like choose your tape and doesn't give it back.
Rebekah Wilson: Right.
Mike DelGaudio: I can only imagine that in 20 years, you know, there'll be kids that look back and go, boy, I remember when I was little and it was, there was latency and some. Yeah, that may be a thing that they, that they, well,
Rebekah Wilson: there was MP compression, you know, it's like, oh yeah, my friends used to look glitchy and sometimes the video would stop.
Rebekah Wilson: That's not gonna happen anymore. I mean, everyone's on 5g or six G or HG whatever's next,
Mike DelGaudio: you know, and yet, and yet Instagram, you know, cut its teeth on its popularity by making our perfect digital photos. Look like the crappy photos when the film had expired and there was light leaks. And ,
Rebekah Wilson: I remember that back in the day, it was the cool Instagram days,
Mike DelGaudio: right?
Mike DelGaudio: Yeah. Right. Those original filters. Yeah. Where do, where do you think that, where do you think that we go from here? Do, do you think that we'll be able to, at some point, uh, is it, is it compression that we need? Is it higher bandwidth that we need, that we would be able to make jazz together? Uh, remote. In real time.
Mike DelGaudio: Do you think that we'll get to that point? And do you think that it's,
Rebekah Wilson: we. Yeah. I mean, I've been doing research with some musicians and it works very well. As soon as they understand the implications of the instrument, that is the network. The network becomes, you know, another, um, artifact, another type of instrument, the same way that if you're a tuba player, you're not gonna expect to be as you know, quick.
Rebekah Wilson: Quick and nimble of your fingers as you might be with the trumpet, you can't go, you know, you, you just can't so you just slow down and you make allowances and then you go big, you know, you do other things. Um, so network latency is just another, uh, uh, characteristic of the instrument. Yeah. But what we do need, definitely.
Rebekah Wilson: And this is gonna happen. Um, so much more bandwidth. We need lots of. So that we don't have to compress so much and we can seem more cuz compression. Um, it's not just the internet that it takes up. It's your CPU or your GPU, you know, the time it's taking to compress this, your data, you know, the VP nine code or whatever we're using right now, VC that's, you know, my CPU is being used and that takes time.
Rebekah Wilson: So more that we can just send raw, you know, just send raw data from the camera. Um, that speeds things. Um, and, uh, also one of the other big things is, um, what's called network Jetta. So, uh, right now, you know, I send a stream of one Meg, but maybe I've got a two Meg stream. And then my, uh, you know, Kids come home.
Rebekah Wilson: Right? Don't have, but if they did, they would be playing on the PlayStation, whatever, and they'd start using it. And suddenly we're trying to fight for the bandwidth and you get jitter in pocket law, packet loss. And so I have to give myself an extra buffer time to make, um, that stream smooth. And so those are things that we have to do today.
Rebekah Wilson: You can't be without a network, um, buffer. And so we are already adding those, you know, 200, 300 millisecond latencies. Just to be smooth enough. So those can go down to closer to the speed of light, worse technology growth. Yeah. Yeah. That will
Mike DelGaudio: happen. Do, yeah, I, I suppose, I suppose it will. Um, and, and. I'm just I'm so looking forward I'm so looking forward to those days when, when really the walls between us can come all the way down, where we don't deal with, you know, the, the, the, uh, the fidelity loss that we have to deal with.
Mike DelGaudio: Yeah. You know, just as, just as we watch each other right now, all of that compression, we're losing the fidelity of, of how we, how we see each other, how we hear each other. And, um, it, I think that definitely affects our ability to communicate. We can't read faces quite as well. Yeah, it's um, it's really, it's really interesting.
Mike DelGaudio: And I wonder what the, the, the folks, you know, the young people who are, you know, born in this century that are living through this now that it's just ingrained in the way they communicate, they didn't have. The benefit of, you know, knowing what analog communication was beforehand. They've only known these experiences.
Mike DelGaudio: I wonder how that will shape their experiences.
Rebekah Wilson: I have a great anecdote about that. My nephews, who are now young teenagers, you know, back when they were smaller and would still play with me. It's teenager girl dam it. And, um, I would be having dinner in Europe and they would be having breakfast in New Zealand.
Rebekah Wilson: And my brother would put the iPad and the breakfast table and we'd chat and say hi and stuff. And then after breakfast, they'd be like, come on, Rebecca, we're gonna go and play and they'd take the iPad. and, you know, they're doing things like hiding me under a blanket or running outside and showing me the chickens or seeing who can run around faster, like, you know, throwing the iPad cuz their kids, you know, there was, it was just for them, like I was there, right.
Rebekah Wilson: Because I'm interacting. They don't know really no difference. Right, right. And it's just, I'm giving them my energy and time.
Mike DelGaudio: And I, you know, I certainly see it with, uh, with, you know, I get teenage kids and, uh, just with the way they play video games, they don't, they still like to, you know, go out and play or whatever it is.
Mike DelGaudio: But so much of their time, their hanging out time with their friends. is headset microphone, video games, even if they're just mindlessly playing the video games, they're having the chats that we might have had when we went over to somebody's house for, for them, it it's, it's very much the same, the same experience.
Mike DelGaudio: It seems maybe
Rebekah Wilson: it's more collaborative because I remember going over to my friend's houses and I'd be playing a video game when I'd be. So now we're all, maybe, you know, who knows, maybe it's all more interactive now than it was for us. I dunno. Of course we've gone bike rides, but yeah,
Mike DelGaudio: certainly, certainly could be with the products that, that you guys, uh, that, that source elements is making.
Mike DelGaudio: Do you think it's it's um, It's. How do you think that you're shaping a, any of the, the industry as we, as we move forward, do you think you're changing the way music is made? Movies are made, television is made. What does five years look like from now? What does 10 years look like from now, for these products?
Rebekah Wilson: Definitely the, the big one is inclusion because, you know, if you imagine 20, 30 years ago, if you want to be a voice actor, you gotta live in LA or New York. You gotta afford to live in LA and New York and you gotta look the part of what a voice actor would be in, in New York and, you know, and, and that there's a lot of the world that doesn't fit in those boxes, you know, or can't afford to fit in those boxes or their family doesn't wanna live in or New York.
Rebekah Wilson: So, you know, we're allowing people's voices. To be so much more broad and diverse.
Mike DelGaudio: Yeah. That's that, that's an excellent point. Certainly with the, uh, you know, the, the electronics that we all have now, mm-hmm, , you know, with the, the, the digital, digital workstations, the availability of really high, high quality componentry that, that we have available to us bridging that final mile of being able to.
Mike DelGaudio: Now let's talk to each other and find each other and, and communicate and collaborate. That's
Rebekah Wilson: that's really. And then you also see what about the kind of stories that are being told now, you know, like Netflix is going out and saying, Hey, South Africa, you know, you've got great stories. We can share these now because it makes sense.
Rebekah Wilson: Mm-hmm , you know, and because we can afford to have actors who can do dubbing in various languages around. You know, uh, Africa and, you know, get those accents and get those people, telling their stories, have them being the video editors as well, because, you know, we all know that editing is where, how we shape things as well.
Rebekah Wilson: So, um, you know, we get to really share, um, who we are with the, with the wider world, because, you know, I grew up. With Hollywood media to such a huge degree, or certainly British as well when I was younger. Cause it's what New Zealand had. So those two, you know, um, voices shaped me and I I'm glad that younger people now have so many more voices that can, you know, they've got access
Mike DelGaudio: to, I suppose it's a double edged sword in some respects because my, I.
Mike DelGaudio: I have family in, in, uh, Sydney, Australia, and we're here in the states. And when we talk, uh, you know, over FaceTime or whatever, they have teenage kids and we have teenage kids and their experiences are very similar now. So, I guess in that, in the diversity of experience, also for people, I guess, of a certain, you know, socioeconomic status or because we're familiar.
Mike DelGaudio: Yeah. But they've seen the same tos. They they've seen the same, the same Instagram memes. So in one case we've shrunk the world. Uh, but I don't know. I, I think the, the way, um, our, our kids have, uh, at least my kids. it, it shaped their, their opinion. And I don't know, I don't know what that will mean for us 50 years from now a hundred years from now.
Mike DelGaudio: And it also
Rebekah Wilson: means that they can go out there and create really easily. You know, when I was growing up, I had to have like a, you know, a two track tape, real to be able to record myself. I mean, until I could, you know, I bought my first like four track. It was a revelation we just were so freeing you.
Mike DelGaudio: Yeah. I, I, I think, you know, certainly for even, you know, now as, as a working professional in this, but you know, my kids, they can go through and they can, uh, it's not unusual for them to say, oh yeah, well, I've, I've got a guy who's a digital editor and they're over in this continent, but I've got somebody else.
Mike DelGaudio: Who's an artist and they're doing the mm-hmm, the motion graphics. And they're in, you know, this time zone. And for them, it's just a very, very natural. A very natural way to work.
Rebekah Wilson: Yeah. Yeah. And that's fantastic.
Mike DelGaudio: Yeah, it is. It really is amazing. And
Rebekah Wilson: then in 300 years when you know your great, great, great grandkids are gonna be on Mars and some asteroid and some comic circling, you know, Neptune.
Rebekah Wilson: There'll be forms of interaction. There'll be a bit longer, but, uh, for sure, , they'll work. you 20 minute
Mike DelGaudio: delay anyone. Yeah. Right. There's been such an enlightening conversation. Is there anything else that you'd like to talk about with respect to, uh, what source elements is doing? Is there anything else?
Mike DelGaudio: This
Rebekah Wilson: huge thing we've been doing, um, these last months is getting our academy, um, really, really rolling. So, um, you know, as education is, is, is hugely important for us and something. Maybe people didn't realize about us was before the pandemic, you know, very small business, you know, like my co-founder and I, and a handful of people, we, we ran everything and then of the pandemic, you know, making like, okay, everybody needs this now.
Rebekah Wilson: It was a huge change for. And what happened was that suddenly Robin and I didn't know everybody by name and, you know, I'm sure we, we, we had had these personal conversations with, with so many, uh, people that we can't have now because of the scale. And, um, that's really sad for us. So what we can do instead is share the knowledge we have and then, you know, bring communities.
Rebekah Wilson: And what's so great to, you know, to be, to be having conversations like this is. To share knowledge. Um, so we have an academy of, with some classes, we've got a new class coming out, I think in a week or two on, um, advanced, um, audio recording, which is really amazing that it's Robert, who, um, I hope, uh, will come and talk with you at some point he's just a, a.
Rebekah Wilson: Huge sort of information about how to do remote recording. Um, really, really well, um, for voice actors or musicians or engineers. And so this course will, um, it's like, um, you know, thinking about remote recording from the Internet's perspective from day one, you know, so coming in fresh saying, you know, this is how I'm gonna work.
Rebekah Wilson: I'm gonna, most of my work is remote now, you know, what do, what do I need to know? You know, how can I make this work the best. So then, then that goes back and inform our products. So the products that are gonna keep coming out from us in the future are also very much informed on these new practices as well.
Mike DelGaudio: Well, I'll definitely put links in, in the description to, I think that's at academy dot source academy, right? Yeah. So I'll put links to that. Uh, cause I was thinking, I was like, I didn't realize that there was a source connect certification. I was like, I should probably go and get my certification for, for source connect.
Mike DelGaudio: Uh, and
Rebekah Wilson: if I can, anybody who's watching this and you know, is in a situation where whatever reason is, uh, difficult, uh, to, to, to purchase any. Things, please reach out to us that we can put in the email, maybe diversity@soelements.com. We have an amazing diversity program because you know, we also believe it's important to, um, share their education with people who need it.
Rebekah Wilson: That's fantastic. Maybe can't access it at the moment.
Mike DelGaudio: That's fantastic. I'll absolutely put that in the, in the description. That's, that's really, that's really helpful.
Rebekah Wilson: The previous iteration of us was very much focused on those, um, Small group of people who were like, I'm gonna try out this technology, I'm gonna make it work.
Rebekah Wilson: You know, maybe it's not always perfect because somebody there doesn't understand to plug in the right thing. And so we ended up making all of these tools and utilities. To, to, to plug all those holes, you know, it's like, how do I route this to that? Oh, you get a cable from your Mac and then you plug it to the windows and they're like, oh, that's not gonna work.
Rebekah Wilson: Okay. Let's make a tool. And so we evolved through this, um, you know, organically through trying to fix all these problems. And so now we arrive today going alright. Right. How about now, we make it easy to use for everybody, not just the Intrepid few. And so that's our next, you know, evolution as a company.
Mike DelGaudio: Great. That's great. Yeah. Uh, and, uh, it will be, it will be very appreciated because it has been, it, it has been probably among the most reliable tools that the tools really have. Your, your tools really have made it, uh, made it much easier
Rebekah Wilson: for me. You wait, it's gonna get much, much easier. We on it.
Mike DelGaudio: I look forward.
Mike DelGaudio: I look forward to, to having you back on to tell us, to tell us all about it. is there anything else, anything else that you think that. My audience would be interested in, in, in talking about, please,
Rebekah Wilson: anybody's very welcome to contact us. We are so, so open to responding to any questions on email. Like, you know, I wanna go to the mountains, how can I work with my 4g is like this?
Rebekah Wilson: Well, we have things to help to make that work. We have technology even to make it work when the Internet's not so good. You know, we've been doing this for years. Trust us if you are not sure. We know,
Mike DelGaudio: just watching you talk and, and, and listening to you talk about your products. It really just gets. So jazzed about the future.
Mike DelGaudio: So jazzed about the way we, we will be able to interact and be able to create and be able to innovate even as just a little solo person with a tiny budget and just, you know, a, a collection of friends, how we can create new and innovative things. And it's thanks to products like yours really, really grateful for your time.
Mike DelGaudio: You it's been such an enjoyable conversation. Really pleasure. Thank you so much. I really appreciate.