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The Space Between – Heaven on Earth is a companion podcast to Awakening – Heaven on Earth.
Through intimate, heart-centered conversations, this series explores the lived experience of awakening — the questions, integrations, paradoxes, and sacred pauses where transformation truly occurs.
This is the space between knowing and becoming…
where Heaven meets Earth through honest dialogue.
Welcome to the space between heaven on earth. This is a companion podcast to awakening heaven on earth created as a space for reflection, conversation, and lived experience. Here, we enter the pause between knowing and becoming, between insight and embodiment, between heaven and earth. These conversations are not about answers or conclusions. They are about presence, about listening, about reasoning together, about meeting one another honestly in the unfolding journey of awakening.
Jeffrey Aylor:I'm your host, Jeffrey Aylor. Again, welcome and thank you for entering The Space Between with us. Welcome to this episode of the space between. In our last episode, we explored what it means to choose unity in our daily lives, And if we're honest, that's not always easy, because as soon as we begin to live with greater awareness, we often encounter something else. Resistance.
Jeffrey Aylor:This episode is called walking through resistance, not avoiding it, not fighting it, but learning how to move through it with awareness. Resistance can show up in many different ways in our thoughts, in our emotions, in our relationships, and even in how others respond to the changes we're making. I'm grateful to be joined today by my son Joel, by my dear friends Joe and Sherry, as we continue to explore what resistance looks like in our lives and how we can meet it with presence and consciousness rather than fear. So to begin, I want to ask each one of you to just share a little bit. What does resistance feel like to you personally?
Joel Aylor:So resistance to me isn't a sign that that something is wrong. It's more a sign that something is changing. And now I usually recognize resistance not as a thought first, but as a feeling, attention, a hesitation, a subtle pulling back into old habits. And sometimes it shows up as overthinking, sometimes as avoidance, something that in me that doesn't wanna move forward even if I'm if even if I consciously want to. So resistance feels kinda like a friction between what I know and what I'm ready to to bring forth in my life, and and that and that can look lots of different ways.
Joel Aylor:You know, if you're offered something and it just feels uncomfortable, that's resistance. And sometimes if you just allow yourself to say yes instead of automatically saying no, you never know what that that point or that what that offer is going to to bring forth in your life. Something small could turn into something absolutely substantial. So it's it's not always it's not always something, you know, big and loud. It's just sometimes you just notice it within yourself.
Joel Aylor:And where it feels uncomfortable, you're like, I I'm just gonna I'm just gonna say no. Sometimes it's like, if you just say yes, you you may it may open you up into something completely completely amazing.
Joe Dermody:So to me, resistance is isn't always a negative thing either. Right? Sometimes it makes you just slow down a little bit. It's a moment to pause and kinda think. Maybe it's something that makes you see that there's more than one path.
Joe Dermody:Maybe there's another path. Maybe it is just that that moment to think, is this the right thing to be doing? But maybe sometimes it is. I noticed to slow down and recognize maybe you're not doing the right thing as well. So for me, it's just an pause.
Joe Dermody:Stop. Look around. Take a moment for maybe some situational awareness and and realize maybe maybe I'm doing the right thing. Maybe I'm not. But stop and take note of things before you advance.
Sherri Keys:For me, resistance is my ability to just deal with my internal thoughts about how to embrace change. It's interesting that my whole career has just been around being a change agent and just being able to be in that space and be aware of the growth of change that change is not a point in life that is a bad thing, it's actually a really good thing. That there's so much to be appreciative of in life if you just allow yourself be open to change and differences and opportunities. So for me, it's just an opportunity to grow and to be a better me.
Jeffrey Aylor:So I have to say that just because of who I am, I have dealt with an entire life of change and just being different. I'm a different kind of person than many, and I recognize that, and that was a first part of my awakening was the understanding that you know I have a very unique personality. I have a very unique way of dealing with the world and seeing the world and the things in the world. And it I have to have grace for myself. Because I find that I fight myself a lot.
Jeffrey Aylor:So the resistance is both internal and it's external. We're going talk about that I think throughout this podcast. A lot of it is it starts internal. And then when I'm finally make a decision that I'm going to pursue a certain path. Then a lot of times that's when the external kicks in because I'm different and I'm changing and people react to that.
Jeffrey Aylor:And it can be people that are close to me, family, it could be work, it could be any number of places where I'm interacting with people. So I find that it tends to be with me, because I'm an introvert, first of all, I make the decision internally to pursue a change or to pursue a different path. I fight the internal resistance first, Once I make that decision and I start actually taking action on it, that's when I start to face the external resistance. And it's I'm learning to be both gracious internally and to be gracious externally because it's hard. Change is hard.
Jeffrey Aylor:We know people struggle with change. It's a big part of the work we do in our in our our career is change change management, and to recognize that anytime somebody is starting to go a different path that people are not familiar with or comfortable with, it's going to cause discomfort. It's going to cause questions, and to try to be patient and be gracious with them and with yourself to know we we're in a different place. We just are in a different place, and that's okay. It's totally okay for us to be somewhere different.
Jeffrey Aylor:I love you. I love you for who you are. I hope you'll love me for who I am and what I am. And at that point, I hope we're able to continue to move forward together, regardless of the of the path.
Joel Aylor:So And that makes me think of a statement that I think about all the time that the only constant in life is change. So, I mean, everything is always changing. The you know, the world's changing. Our our internal lives are changing. Our external lives are always changing.
Joel Aylor:We're always there's always something going on. So it's it's we're never not evolving, and and and the and the moment you actually fight that, that's resistance.
Jeffrey Aylor:So let's transition now into the actual reflection questions for this particular topic, and I haven't taken a moment in the last several episodes to kind of introduce the listeners to the fact that what we're discussing here in the space between podcasts today is really the content of what we publish throughout the week in our Awakening Heaven on Earth podcast. So the two podcasts work together. The Awakening Heaven on Earth podcast is designed for us to share the general content of our platform, and then we take this time each week to really dive into and have a discussion around the general topic of that week, which this week is resistance. So as we do that within that, we we have a set of reflection questions that we want to ponder and consider. So I want to make sure that we help people understand you know what it is we're trying to do.
Jeffrey Aylor:So as we move through these reflection questions, I want to make sure we remember resistance doesn't mean something is wrong. It doesn't. It just means that something is changing. And I don't want us to get into the mindset that all change is wrong. It's not.
Jeffrey Aylor:Many changes are actually very, very good. So let's explore that together as we jump into these reflection questions. So the first one is centered around just recognizing resistance. So how do you recognize resistance when it shows up in your life?
Joel Aylor:Well, for me coming from a pharmacy background, I see a lot of resistance to change because I'm at the front lines of of of medicine sometimes and the endpoint where someone is handed some kind of new medication, and they're resistant to try it. They're resistant or hesitant, they're scared to try it. They don't know what it's gonna do. They don't know how it's gonna affect them. So I see that resistance that shows up a lot in patients and not necessarily just they're not just refusing.
Joel Aylor:They're just hesitant because they don't know what what to expect. And someone might know that they need to make a change, but there's fear associated with that. There's overwhelm or uncertainty behind that. And the more I've paid attention to that, the more I've realized that resistance is really about stubbornness. It's it's it's more about protection because it's something they're comfortable with.
Joel Aylor:They know this life. They understand this life. They're okay with it. But they realize that something's not quite right, and they need to change that. But they're not okay with that.
Joel Aylor:They're they're they haven't come to terms with change. And and there's a lot of resistance to that. And and then yeah. A lot of the times, it just shows up as fear. A fear of change.
Joel Aylor:What, you know, what could what does this mean? Does it mean I have to change who I am? Does it mean I have to change my entire lifestyle? And sometimes in order to have that drastic change, sometimes it does. But there's a lot of resistance to that, and I see it every day, multiple times a day.
Joe Dermody:I think that I recognize fear a lot just by or not fear, but the resistance by body language a lot of times. So what I mean by that is if you're talking to somebody and you are I I see the external fear, I guess. I see I keep saying fear. The external resistance, I recognize in others by their body language. A lot of times, their their the way they're talking and see it in their face and their tone.
Joe Dermody:A lot of times when you're trying to explain something, you can pick up on it. I think the internal resistance comes when you procrastinate actions, when you tell yourself you want to get started on something, but you put it off and keep finding reasons not to start. I I experienced that for a long time. And and when you overcome it, it's easier to sit back and actually notice what you were doing.
Jeffrey Aylor:I think of our conversations that we've had around you in meditation.
Joe Dermody:Absolutely. And that's exactly what I'm thinking about too. So yeah. So I I resisted meditation for for quite a while. I kept thinking over and over that I I can do this.
Joe Dermody:I can do this, but I kept putting it off. I resisted it for a long time. And now I it's something that I really look forward to doing. And if I miss a day, I regret it. And and I keep saying, man, that was a silly thing to keep putting off.
Joe Dermody:So so yeah. Exactly. That's exactly what I'm I'm thinking about. But you you you'd stop to think about, okay. Why am I resisting this?
Joe Dermody:And and, yeah, it's good to be able to do that and to have some of that self reflection. And I think that's a a part of growth.
Jeffrey Aylor:So But what did it feel like? What did that resistance feel like inside you?
Joe Dermody:Well, again, for me, it was just a procrastination. That's exactly what it was. I and I didn't recognize it as resistance at that time. I just kept seeing it as something I'll do tomorrow, something I'll I'll put off for today, And I didn't think of it as as anything other than that. So, yeah, anytime you start thinking, why am I putting this off?
Joe Dermody:Why am I why why aren't I just sitting down to do this? So, yeah, it it it was just another thing I was procrastinating. So anytime you set find yourself sitting there,
Jeffrey Aylor:breaking something
Joe Dermody:off, making excuses, saying anything you can put off for tomorrow, say, why why not now? Live in the present. Don't be resistant to to something. We see all the time in work and and all kinds of stuff, people being resistant to change, people not wanting to to step out of what they're comfortable doing simply because it's something different.
Joel Aylor:And so we always have it.
Joe Dermody:Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That I can't do that.
Joe Dermody:That's not how we do things around here.
Joel Aylor:Mhmm. That's not that's that's just not the way we do this.
Jeffrey Aylor:Yeah. Fear of the unknown in many cases. Right?
Joe Dermody:Yeah. They're just resistant to change, and there's no need for that.
Joel Aylor:It's the only constant.
Joe Dermody:That that's right. That's right. So so, yeah, it feels a lot like procrastination to me. Yeah. Or fear.
Joe Dermody:Right? A lot of times you can see it as fear. Fear of the unknown.
Joel Aylor:Yeah. That drives a lot.
Sherri Keys:So professionally, you know, my my career has been around being a change agent and to basically have an opportunity to see organizations and resources pretty much be really resistant to that. And it's not a bad thing. It's just like everyone says, it's, you know, the unknown is different. What we do know about change is it's difficult. And in some cases, it takes a long time, but it's not a bad thing.
Sherri Keys:Personally, my experience of change is really around the transitioning from being just fully just mom to living in a space where I've got to be mom and best friend and trusting in the fact that, you know, my young adults are at, they're going to make those decisions, good, bad and indifference. There's no bad decision. It's just the one you make at the time you're doing it. And just living in that space and allowing myself to not have fear. And what I've done in terms of trying to give them the best that I can give them on the parenting side and letting go that uncomfortable feeling of always feeling like I have to be in that space as solely just mom.
Sherri Keys:So and it's gonna take some time.
Jeffrey Aylor:Yeah. I mean, come on. I always love to ask these questions when we're doing training with people around something that they're not familiar with, and that is do people do people hate change? And the typical reaction I get from most everybody when I'm doing this is,
Joel Aylor:oh gosh, yes, everybody. I hate change. I don't like this. And I don't like doing anything different than
Jeffrey Aylor:what I'm already doing. And why do we need to change? Everything is great. Right? And then I'll ask the question.
Jeffrey Aylor:Okay, well, let me ask you this. Well, what is your favorite season? And probably two thirds or more of the people will tell me spring and fall, and I don't have to tell them. But you realize that spring and fall are not seasons. They're the time of transition and change between two seasons, summer and winter.
Jeffrey Aylor:So I don't necessarily agree that most people don't like change. They actually do. The problem is people don't like being changed. They don't like being forced to change. They don't like being told to change.
Jeffrey Aylor:They don't like Having it forced on them. But if they're involved in the process, if they're involved in the decisions, change is exhilarating. Think about some of the most exciting things you've ever experienced in your entire life. There are major changes that you experience. Right?
Jeffrey Aylor:And there it's it's exciting because you're involved in it. You're involved in the decision about it. And when you consciously decide that you need to make a change spiritually, physically, mentally, emotionally, it's exciting. But not everybody's gonna be as excited about it as you are. Because they now you're gonna be different, and people then have to deal with you differently in some cases.
Jeffrey Aylor:Right? And in that situation, those of us that have been married for a long time, you know, you are not the same person you were when you married. And the person you married is not the same person you married. We have all gone through all these dynamic changes as people individually. And you have to learn how to adapt and accept and realize that life and circumstances and experiences are going to cause change.
Jeffrey Aylor:They are. Some are going to be easier. Some are going to be harder. But I think the great lesson for all of us in all of that is to ask the question, what am I learning? What am I learning through this change?
Jeffrey Aylor:Is this change moving me further on my journey? Is this helping me become higher my higher and true self in my experience? And sometimes you just have to deal with the fact that people are gonna resist and push through it. I know in the scriptures, there's actually quite a few lessons around and this these lessons specifically deal with marriage, but marriage is a type of of life in general in many ways that talks about how, you know, if someone is not willing to go with you, then accept that fact and move on. People come into our life for seasons.
Jeffrey Aylor:Some are there for long periods. Some are there for short periods, and sometimes you just move on because your life is different now, and and it's okay. In many cases, this is okay. And you talk about mind blowing change when it comes to how I've looked at at relationships in general, but marriage specifically. I I am confident that marriage was never intended by god, the source, to be a lifetime prison sentence.
Jeffrey Aylor:It's not. I don't believe that any relationship we have is meant to be a prison sentence. And if you find that you're in in those difficult periods of your life and change, it's okay. It honestly is okay to say, you know, we're in different places, and that's okay. Let let's move forward.
Jeffrey Aylor:I love you. I understand and recognize. And if you choose to go with me, great. If you choose not to go with me, then okay. That's okay.
Joel Aylor:In the core of what you're talking about there is actually the resistance is attachment. We attach to an idea or we attach to a lifestyle or attach to some something.
Jeffrey Aylor:A story.
Joel Aylor:A story, An identity. Something we've wrapped ourselves around and basically something that we we we say if we lose that, we lose ourselves. It's the attachment that causes the creates resistance, and that resistance creates suffering. We don't realize that we can actually change who we are, and it's okay. And to your point, I mean, hopefully, somebody who you've married and decided to live live with as close as you are will come along with you.
Joel Aylor:You hope.
Jeffrey Aylor:Yep. Right? You want that. You wanna be compassionate. You want to be patient.
Jeffrey Aylor:You want to be I mean, there's and what you'll find, I think, is that they do and they will, and it and it works. You know? It's the I'm not saying just leave, right, relationships. Not a that's not the concept. I think there's work.
Jeffrey Aylor:There's work involved in it.
Joel Aylor:That's the hardest work. Marriage is the hardest work. It's work. It is it's it's worth doing, but it's also very difficult. But there's a lot of change involved in marriage, both sides.
Jeffrey Aylor:Yeah. And and the concept of marriage can be applied to a lot of different relationships. It's not just a oh, wow. You know, I know people who are married to their jobs. I know people who are married to money.
Jeffrey Aylor:They're married to any number of things, more so than they are their spouse in some cases. Right? And but if you work and you work with patience and you work with love, all the things we've been talking about throughout all these these different podcasts, it's it I think you'll find that if you do the inner work, it will influence and impact those around you dramatically. Right? You can't make people do anything or believe in it.
Jeffrey Aylor:You have to do you you you you impact them by what you do and how you react and how you behave and how you believe and how you see the world. We create our own realities. I think that's a really important point.
Joel Aylor:Right. You can't force change. You have to be the change, be the example of change in order to drive it.
Jeffrey Aylor:So, you know, change happens, as we've already mentioned, internally and externally. So have you noticed differences between resistance that comes from within, like doubts or fear? Joe, you've talked about fear already. And resistance that comes from others or the world around you.
Joel Aylor:Joe, to your point, external resistance is usually easier to see. Internal resistance is usually what sustains it, though. So I've noticed that what looks like external resistance often mirrors what's going on internally. So even when the whole world pushes back, there's usually something in me that's reacting to it. That's either fear or doubt or a need for certainty.
Joel Aylor:That's it it's it's wanting to find myself in what's my external world. And it gets really uncomfortable when I when when there's dissonance, but it's okay. So so yeah. So, basically, there's the external world usually mirrors the internal world. So if you find something that is pushing against you or making you uncomfortable or making some kind of resistance, it's usually something inside you that you're needed to work on.
Joel Aylor:It's a it's it's showing you what work you have to do. That is that is what you need to to go, not necessarily around. It's not so one of my favorite favorite Buddhist sayings is basically the basic the the path or the stone in the way is not necessarily an obstacle. It is the way. It's something you have to basically work through.
Joel Aylor:So in order to get around that resistance, you have
Jeffrey Aylor:to work through it, and it
Joel Aylor:will continue to show itself until you do.
Joe Dermody:Mhmm. Well and some of that too is the when you work out what is going on inside, it will directly influence what is happening externally as well. And that's because what's going on externally is directly influencing what's happening internally. They're connected. It's it's part of that duality.
Joe Dermody:Right? By by fixing one, you're directly affecting the other. So I think that's a that that's important.
Sherri Keys:I guess for me, I I mean, feel like we're constantly in a mode of change. I think we might have said that already. I mean, life is changing. It would be unrealistic to think that as we're going through this, we're not changing as human beings. I mean, the person I am today is not the person I was ten years ago, five, two, three, four.
Sherri Keys:I mean, it's different. Like I said, the transition from, you know, solely mom to mom and best friend, the just the growth of the marriage, the wisdom that, you know, you accumulate over the years, how you view things, what you like to eat, what you all these things, you know, my taste, my favorite color. I'm constantly in this flow of change. And it's good. It's not bad.
Sherri Keys:Change is not bad. It's just how you deal with it. And when I think about external changes for me externally, I feel like I can deal with those things better. They're not always pleasant and they're hard. But I think that there's things that you see and then you're preparing yourself to deal with those.
Sherri Keys:It's just the internal changes I feel like are a little more challenging. Well, let me say that. The internal changes, I said that actually backwards. The internal changes are ones I think I can deal with because I'm in control of my own state of being and I have the ability to understand how I want to move forward and not in terms of interacting and managing feelings and thoughts, the external noise or opportunities that are presented in my life become a lot, not as I don't have as much control over those and those become a little more challenging because they're being driven. And I think Joe said that and Joel said that both of you guys, or I guess the whole conversation was around that.
Sherri Keys:They're being driven by other people and their thoughts and what they feel and where the changes and things that's happened in their lives or things they're holding on to. And so for those, I feel like I've got to equip myself better in understanding and reading the crowd and reading the situation and taking and giving grace always to where I need to give that grace to in order to to deal with those changes.
Joe Dermody:I think though, it's sometimes harder just to recognize the ones, the the resistance inside, though. So while I agree with you totally there, Sherry, I still think that it's it's sometimes harder to deal with the external ones, but sometimes it's harder to recognize an internal resistance, because you're not seeing it necessarily as a resistance right away.
Jeffrey Aylor:Yeah. Let let me jump in real quick. I think the you know, we've we've touched on this in a couple of the other podcasts, the concept of the hermetic principle of of as within, so without. Mhmm. And most people really struggle with going inside themselves and being honest about what they may be contributing to a particular situation.
Jeffrey Aylor:It's so much easier to blame everybody else outside of you and think they all need to change or that they all need they need to do something. We've built a
Joel Aylor:religions around it. It's the
Jeffrey Aylor:best practice in concept. Yeah. So the the Hermetic principle of correspondence, which says as above, so below, as within, so without. When I'm looking at my outer circumstances and I'm not pleased or happy with what I'm experiencing, I have to come to the understanding that I am creating this reality by how I'm thinking and what I'm feeling. I create that.
Jeffrey Aylor:Now that's a really difficult pill to swallow. So in the matrix, you can choose this pill or you can choose that pill, and in most cases we choose to think, everybody around me needs to change. It's not my fault. It's not anything I'm doing. It's not anything I'm thinking that might be causing all and the resistance may be external because I'm having internal resistance that I'm not willing to deal with.
Jeffrey Aylor:I'm not willing to acknowledge the fact that I'm having this internal dissonance. I think you used the term dissonance, which in psychology is cognitive dissonance. It's that internal feeling of I'm doing something, I know it's not exactly what I should be doing, or I think it's right, I'm going to do it anyway, and what I feel like after I do it. And so when I know I should think a certain way or feel a certain way or behave a certain way, and I don't, that internal resistance, a lot of times we will project that outward, and we'll look for opportunities to see that resistance in other people, and we then project that on them. So this is this is you talk about personal responsibility.
Jeffrey Aylor:This really puts the onus of responsibility on us internally to make sure that we are internally aligned, that we're internally acknowledging what we're thinking and feeling about different situations and circumstances that we're going through. And once we get ourself aligned internally, I think what we'll find is that the external resistance that we're experiencing tends to just dissipate. It tends to go away. Now I'm not saying that the internal activity of other people around us is not influencing this because it is. Because they're going through the same internal battles that we go through, and they will project on us as we project on them, which is what makes life so interesting and complicated, quite honestly.
Jeffrey Aylor:It's it's it's the essence of why we have conflict and why we have all of the and then our world today is fighting this so terribly. And I think we're going through what we're going through as a world right now to cause us to stop and say, wait a minute. Things don't have to be this way. And if things are gonna be different, it needs to start with me. It all has to start with me.
Jeffrey Aylor:But the only person, to Sherry's point,
Joel Aylor:that we have any control over is me. Right? But you've hit the nail on the head that a lot of people don't wanna take accountability for themselves. I mean, we have basically an entire religion setup where, basically, we externalize all of that. We don't take responsibility.
Joel Aylor:We let everything else take care of it for us. We've outsourced it. We've outsourced it to say, this person's gonna do it for me, because that way, I don't have to do anything about this. I don't have to be responsible. I don't have to take accountability.
Joel Aylor:That's that's that's the root of the problem. If if people would literally find a way to change themselves internally, take the time to be okay with themselves and change themselves, the world would change overnight. So how do we teach our children this?
Jeffrey Aylor:I'm thinking about how do we raise children? From the beginning to recognize the power that they have, the the the ability to see themselves as they truly are. It would change the world in a generation.
Joel Aylor:Well, that's what the Dalai Lama basically said is if you can teach an eight year old to meditate, go inside themselves and and and the world would change literally in a generation. In a generation.
Sherri Keys:I was just gonna say children come into this world with very pure with the life is good. No, you know, no thoughts about how everything should be or or who should be this or where we should be. They they are very much know, they're innocent.
Jeffrey Aylor:We teach them these things.
Sherri Keys:These things and exactly. We teach them these things.
Jeffrey Aylor:We teach them.
Sherri Keys:Teach Yes.
Jeffrey Aylor:We need to stop. In many cases, I think they need to teach us. We said that.
Joel Aylor:We need to learn from them. Absolutely.
Jeffrey Aylor:So there's a lot of old patterns. Right? There's a lot of habits that tend to reappear, stories that we keep telling ourselves. And when we begin to grow, you know, when we begin to grow or change, how how do we deal with these old patterns that
Joel Aylor:pop up and try to draw us back into where we were as opposed to going forward? When I start to grow or shift, old patterns tend to appear automatically, almost automatically, because and I think that's done by design. It's it's testing you. It's showing you this is what you need to work on. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but we always tend to find we we find we try to reach for something familiar, something comfortable, something we're used to.
Joel Aylor:And all that is is conditioned programming just like we're talking about. We're we're talking about something we've been taught, something we don't have to do and and and think on our own. We basically just automatically react. And that's the problem. We've we've basically been downloaded a program that isn't working, but we don't know any different until we actually start questioning why are my why am
Jeffrey Aylor:I doing that? Why am
Joel Aylor:I acting that way? Am I responding to this stimulus in this manner? So the only way you can actually change that is to actually, one, be aware of it, and two, do something different than what you know you feel like you're gonna do. And it's hard. It's not easy because to to basically drive off of a program, you don't have to think about it.
Joel Aylor:It's unreal what we do every day without even thinking about it. We just go through the motions. Your mind is incredibly powerful. And we've said before, it's an incredible tool, but it's a terrible master. It does not do what you want it to do.
Joel Aylor:It it's going to it can do whatever it's programmed to do. That's not your fault, but it's not easy to see. It's not it's not easy to change. So it may look like overthinking. It may look like needing to have control over a situation or going back to habits that feel safe even if they're limiting.
Joel Aylor:That's just that we limit ourselves. We don't allow ourselves to open up to that. We limit ourselves by just defaulting to that program. It's not we've we've said it many times. It's sometimes simple, but not easy.
Joel Aylor:So old patterns are gonna show up all the time. And until you learn to notice them and be aware of them, nothing will change. That is the first step, and that is the most important step. And that's what this podcast is all about, is to get you to be aware of that old programming, that old conditioning, and make it different. Do something different.
Joel Aylor:If it's not working, why? Do something different. Change. It's it's not easy, but change is necessary to be better. We're always evolving.
Joel Aylor:Continue to evolve. Keep asking questions. Always change. Ditto. No.
Joel Aylor:That was profound. That is a that is an absolute compliment. Thank you.
Joe Dermody:Yeah. I mean, yeah, you had to stop and you had stop and also realize what you're doing. Right? Realize that you're falling into the same habits and stop. Create new habits.
Jeffrey Aylor:But it's so comfortable.
Joe Dermody:Sure it is.
Joel Aylor:Yeah. Easy.
Jeffrey Aylor:I'm so comfortable. This is so easy. Yeah. I'm in this hairball, and it's warm, and it's fuzzy, and I don't have to do anything different. And and Yeah.
Jeffrey Aylor:People just yeah. They all need to change. I don't need to change.
Joe Dermody:It's only was that easy. Right? But it's not. Change change is hard. That's why it's so good.
Joel Aylor:You know?
Jeffrey Aylor:It hurts so good. Hurts so good. I think there's a great song about that. It hurts so good.
Sherri Keys:You guys are killing me. So for me, I mean, again, I keep going back to internally, I can control what is going on internally with me because other than God, I know me better than anyone else. And I know the good, bad and the ugly because I'm dealing with it every day in me. The fortunate part for me, I think I come with a good place. I really have a big heart.
Sherri Keys:And I think that I really don't give myself a lot of grace when I'm talking to myself. Thanks, Joel. Joel, I do talk to myself in life and in situations. But I think for me, it depends on where everybody's journey is or where they are in their journey, how they deal with change and whether they're at a point in their life where they realize that it has to come from within before you can reflect that externally. I happen to feel like I'm in a place in my life where I've realized the various places where I've changed and I know and have a deeper understanding of who I am, I just realized that it's a little difficult to maneuver how to deal with the external challenges that I have around people not at that space in their life.
Sherri Keys:They're reflecting things externally to others, including me, when they haven't really dealt internally with their change. Because you don't know what you don't know. Again, you don't know that you've got this awesome opportunity to look inside yourself because that's where heaven resides, to understand where you are in your journey. And so if you don't know that, that makes it a little difficult to project that positivity or to realize that it's important to give grace or to realize that whatever it is that you're dealing with, you're reflecting on other people in that so kind way.
Jeffrey Aylor:I have say, I think we're understating the difficulty of when we recognize that we're in a particular situation in our life, and we know that it's not the best or the most appropriate situation, and we need to make a change, how difficult that is. Because we're so used to the old patterns, we're so used to what is we considered normal to us at that point. I've always wondered why do people stay in an abusive relationship. They know it. They feel it, but they stay in it.
Jeffrey Aylor:Why? Why do they do that? The psychology behind that says they do it because they would rather stay with the devil they know than the devil they don't know, or that they would rather stay with the devil they know than to follow after what they perceive to be an angel that they don't know. And we do that to ourselves all the time. I know I should do something different than what I'm doing right now.
Jeffrey Aylor:I know. I know. I feel it in my heart. My intuition, the spirit in me is telling me there's a different path. There's a different place.
Jeffrey Aylor:There's a different way for me to go, but oh my gosh. I'm I'm very comfortable in my job. I make a fair amount of money, and I have this lifestyle that I wanna maintain, and I wanna do this. And I and if I do this, then I can't have that. And we sit and we rationalize, and we tell ourselves stories, and we continually continually make excuses for why we're not going to do something different, knowing that that's where the spirit's leading us.
Jeffrey Aylor:That's where our spirit, that's where the universe, God, whatever your choice name is, is leading you. We choose to stay in our stucco patterns. The the the hardest step in that is that first step. I know personally, I mean, I'm going through this right now as I'm making a decision to retire and and leave leave a a job, leave a life I've known for many years because I feel that I'm being led to go in
Joel Aylor:a different direction. And a lot
Jeffrey Aylor:of people would look at me and look at that circumstance, and they'd look at the situation. They'd say, what are you doing? What are you doing? Why would you do that? You have no idea where this is gonna go.
Jeffrey Aylor:But you know where you are, and you know what you've got, and you know what and it's like, but you know what? It's not fulfilling. This isn't fulfilling. There's a lot more to life than what I'm experiencing right now, and I know that God has more for me. He has more substantial things for me to be involved in, And I'm not gonna worry about the how, the the when.
Jeffrey Aylor:That's not my job. My job is not. My job is to say, here I am. I'm ready. It's time.
Jeffrey Aylor:And trust. I trust. You've always cared for me. You've always provided for me. I believe in abundance.
Jeffrey Aylor:I do not believe in scarcity. I believe that there is a higher path and that there's a higher way. I believe that there is something greater. I believe the world is in transition, and I believe you want me to be involved in that. And and I'm ready.
Jeffrey Aylor:I'm willing. Not an easy decision. It's not it's not something I can honestly say was made without a great deal of thought, but it's a decision. I think it's a right decision, and I'm confident in that. But I can tell you the draw, the pull to stay in the status quo, the current state, the the old pattern of life that I've been involved in all these years is so strong.
Jeffrey Aylor:It is so strong. The fear, the doubt, you think about everything that gets thrown at me or thrown at you when you're making a decision. But what if, but what if, but what if and that's just a lack of faith, lack of trust, a lack of confidence that if you're following your highest path, if you're following the way that is laid out for your your your life that you chose to come and experience, that is going to work out. Everything is fine. We I'm we are exactly where we're supposed to be.
Jeffrey Aylor:We're doing a you know, nothing is delayed. Nothing is late. Everything is perfect. Everything is fine, but you gotta break you gotta break the inertia of that pull of these old stories, these old patterns, the the way the world tells you. You know, the the world says you should be this.
Jeffrey Aylor:Well, you know what? The world hasn't necessarily been right, So I'm not necessarily gonna follow that path, that old pattern.
Joe Dermody:And you say they call it a leap of faith, right, for a reason.
Jeffrey Aylor:Exactly right.
Joel Aylor:Right.
Jeffrey Aylor:One small step for mankind.
Joel Aylor:I saw something today that was actually really, really profound to me. It basically said that every time you find a fear, that's literally the portal to finding the world that doesn't have that fear. If you can go through that fear, you're gonna go into a world that doesn't have that anymore. You're not gonna be scared of it anymore. And it's a much better place usually because you're so scared of what could be.
Joel Aylor:And if you go through it, it's no longer there. That's powerful.
Jeffrey Aylor:There are many great spiritual guides today that will tell you the primary decision that we all face, we face it every day throughout the day. Are we going to choose love?
Joel Aylor:Or are you going to choose fear? They're poles. They're poles. Are you going
Jeffrey Aylor:to choose love, or are you going to choose fear? We're at that point in this world today where we have to make this decision, and we have to make it often. Do we choose love, or do I choose fear? That that's the big decision. The next series, the next season of our podcast after this unity season is going to be love.
Jeffrey Aylor:It's love, And and the whole concept of that is do I choose love, or do I choose fear? And it's exciting, I think, as we build toward that with these discussions.
Joel Aylor:Before we go on, I've gotta add two things. One, it's a pharmacist joke because Sherry said that she talks to herself. And as a pharmacist, we always joke that there's medicine for that. Gotta add that in there as a pharmacist.
Sherri Keys:Second, you
Joel Aylor:yeah. No. You're right. You're good. I had I had to throw that in there.
Joel Aylor:It was too it was too good to too too juicy enough to pass, you know, to pass up. Second thing was you mentioned that the the the first step is always the hardest in change. And and that makes me think, as as I always do, to song lyrics, it's a Dave Matthews band lyric. To change the world, you start with one step. And however small, the first step is hardest of all.
Joel Aylor:Had to had to share that because that really is true. And no matter how small the step is, it is always the hardest. Once you start going, you build that inertia that you talk about.
Jeffrey Aylor:You throw
Joel Aylor:you throw in that physics statement. You once you start moving in that direction, it's hard to stop it. But in order to get something moving, you've got to actually take that first step and get the momentum going.
Jeffrey Aylor:I am quite confident as I've gone through this transition over the last few months, that the universe is waiting for me. God is waiting for me to make a commitment. And when you make that commitment, he is willing and able to provide for you in ways that are exceeding abundantly above all that you could ever ask or think. And I am confident that that's the right decision, because I feel it. I feel it in my heart.
Jeffrey Aylor:I feel it in my soul, and I know that there's a purpose behind the work that we're doing here, and that it's going to to feed a multitude. It may just be a few loaves and fishes, but it's going to feed a multitude, and and it's not my it's not up to me to make that decision. My my job is to provide the loaves and fishes and just give them and and let god let the universe take them and and do with them as they see fit. So I have to say there's a significant amount of emotion tied up in all this. Right?
Jeffrey Aylor:So how do you typically respond to discomfort or uncertainty, You know, as as these things shift over time, all this shifts over time, and it's a it's an amazing thing to me as we deal with resistance. How do you deal with it? Do you deal with it emotionally? Do you stop and and process it effectively? Or or what how do you handle it?
Joel Aylor:For me, the emotional response is a huge part of me because the discomfort isn't always the problem of of of this. It it it's it's the reaction to it that usually is the problem. And I I've had to learn a lot of patience. I have to learn a lot of basically stepping back and taking a breath and realizing I don't have to react the way my programming tells me to. So it usually would just automatically lead to a reaction, and it still does.
Joel Aylor:I'm I'm I'm guilty of it sometimes every day. But I'm I I over time, there's been more space to just notice it, and the feeling doesn't disappear, but the relationship to it changes. So if I'm able to take that moment to to step back and react after processing it, it's a huge change. Because before, I would just react. And it was usually never never good because the the program that was running behind the scenes, it was not good for for me.
Joel Aylor:It was not good for the other person. So there's a lot of emotion that can be tied to that, and that that that changes a lot of ways people react to things. So, yeah, emotion plays a huge role in this because when we're in a situation with somebody and we start to feel those same chemicals flowing through our bloodstream, we're gonna react the same way because the body doesn't know any different. It's gonna react the exact same way because chemically you're telling it to. And that is hard to overcome, but it literally requires the mind to step back, notice it, and then change how you react.
Joel Aylor:And you can change your physiology that way. The mind will change the body over time, but it's not overnight. It's not quickly, but it does work. And that because that reaction came from somewhere. That that physiological response came from somewhere.
Joel Aylor:So your job is to find how that's not working for you, if it's not working for you, and learn a new way of doing it. So, again, simple, not easy.
Joe Dermody:So I had a fun conversation with my my brother yesterday who I don't get to talk to very often, and he reminded me that the Dermody side of my family, has pretty short fuses, and we we react, very quickly. And not growing up with the Dermody side of my family, I didn't didn't realize that, as readily as as somebody who hadn't grown up on that side of the family might have. And it brought a lot of things to light, you know, about my past. And so it was kinda nice to hear that. He is also one that, you know, he practices Tai Chi and Qigong and a lot of self meditation and which was kinda nice to, you know, have this discussion with him as I'm starting to explore a lot of meditation and a lot of, you know, self reflection myself now.
Joe Dermody:So it was to get back to the question, I, in the past, would be very reactive emotionally. I would respond. I would get very defensive. At least my initial response would be to get defensive. I would hide it very well at work, but inside, I would get very hot very quickly.
Joe Dermody:And I would not hide it as well at home, and it led to many arguments that were that were not warranted. So I would like to think now, I I recognize that and I've been have been working on it a lot. So I don't think I get as angry as I used to, and I've been told that. And a lot of it's because I work on it. So so, yeah, it's it it does change over time.
Joe Dermody:Right? It it's but it's because I work on it.
Jeffrey Aylor:I noticed it.
Joel Aylor:I am
Joe Dermody:very much yeah. Very much. Very much so. Yes.
Joel Aylor:Yeah.
Joe Dermody:So but it does to your point, Joel, it's not easy, and it takes it takes a conscious effort to make that change. And I'm I'm very happy that I'm doing it. So but yeah.
Joel Aylor:Like we said before, it's not all sun sunshine and rainbows. It's not amazing. It's usually a fire.
Joe Dermody:And that's right.
Joel Aylor:It's usually
Joe Dermody:It's an alchem alchemical change. Right? It's not it's not easy, but it's important. And a lot of important things and important changes aren't always easy, but it's worth it.
Sherri Keys:For me, let me just make a quick comment on just, Jeff, as you're going through this journey to reach the world, my thought was a wise man told me, you just plant one seed at a time and watch it grow. I am so excited to see as you're planting these seeds, we both knew who that wise man is. I'm so excited to see as you're watching us grow. So with that, that hit my heart, I had to say it. Me, and I don't always get this right.
Sherri Keys:I think it's human nature that you're going to react when you're faced with something. So I will say that I don't get this right. But over time, just learning myself and gaining a little more perspective around picking the battles, the things that are most important versus what's not, and really spending a good time in that space feeling and and thinking about other someone else's feeling and how they will perceive that. Because we all know that, you know, when you hit that mode of reaction, you're probably going to say things that you probably wish you could take back. So for me over time, just learning myself and trying to be in that space and learning what's the thing that's really important that you're going to kind of stand for versus what's not really that important.
Sherri Keys:And that has helped guide me a little bit in terms of how I react. But I think we're all human and you know, it's I don't always get it right. But I try.
Jeffrey Aylor:Thank you, first of all, for your really kind words. I think one of the biggest issues when it comes to how we respond emotionally to things is the fact that we all often want to be right. We want to be perceived as right, And that puts us in a situation where if the other person has a different position or opinion or in a different place, that means if we're right, they have to
Joel Aylor:be wrong.
Jeffrey Aylor:And then all of a sudden we have conflict, and then all of a sudden we've got an emotional discussion, and then all of a sudden it escalates, and, you know, there's a wonderful scripture that talks about how a soft answer turns away wrath. When someone comes at you very strongly or very emotionally in a resistant way, how you respond to them can totally diffuse that. You can either choose consciously to react without thinking and come at them emotionally, and then all of a sudden the emotion just builds and it grows, and you end up in an argument, you end up in fights, you end up in conflict, or you can consciously choose to say, how do I respond in a soft way, recognizing and acknowledging that this is simply a fact. We are in different places. And you know what?
Jeffrey Aylor:That's okay. It is totally okay. I love you. It's okay that we're in a different place, and I just want you to know that I'm gonna continue to move forward if I can. And if you will go with me, I would love that.
Jeffrey Aylor:But this is where this is where we are, and and we have to be okay with that. And unfortunately, in our world, that's just not how people are. They have to be right. It's more important to be right than it is to be at peace. That's kind of
Joel Aylor:the gist of the entire Christian Christian religion. Right? I mean but that was that's some of the we we've we've had issues with, you know, organized religion when it comes to Christianity before, but that was the power of Jesus. Some of the things that he would say when people would would argue with him, his responses were profound. They were either soft or they or they or he responded to their questions with a question to make them go internally and realize, you know, wait a second.
Joel Aylor:You are are who are you? What where is this coming from? And and that's the power of of of that person who was Jesus, and and there's absolutely still power when in everything he was. So,
Jeffrey Aylor:yeah, it's Well, that's why anybody who listens to our work, if they have the idea that we have walked away from Jesus, that we don't believe in Jesus Not at all. I've said this before. I probably believe in Jesus more. Than I find him to be more profound, more powerful, more influential than I ever have. Yep.
Jeffrey Aylor:I'm getting goosebumps actually as I sit here and say this. Yep. It does not diminish who Jesus is and was as a person and being the manifestation of the Christ. He was our example Yep. Of what we can be and what we are supposed to be and how we're supposed to become.
Jeffrey Aylor:So all that said, I think it's important to realize that, you know, he was emotional from time to time. I mean, he even would get angry. That's one of
Joel Aylor:my favorite things. What would Jesus do? Well, within the realm of that question is flipping tables and getting angry at people. So there you go. He he was a firebrand.
Joel Aylor:He was here for a reason.
Jeffrey Aylor:And and anybody you know, the world, if they looked at him, consider him a failure. But look at how much influence he's had, and I think he's one of many who've had that kind of influence. He was influencing a particular culture. I think others came that have influenced cultures, whether it's Krishna or Buddha or Kuan Yin or some of the indigenous there there are many examples of people throughout time who have exhibited that Christ consciousness and spirit that is in all of us, and they become then examples that are touchable and reachable, not an untouchable and unreachable deity. So that that creates separation thinking where I believe in unity, and that's what this whole podcast is really all about.
Jeffrey Aylor:So let's ask one more question here, and it talks about and Joe, I think you touched on this really, really early and that is resistance as a teacher. You know, have there been moments where resistance actually has helped us see something more clearly or grow in a more meaningful way?
Joel Aylor:So for me, resistance often highlights where I'm still holding on to something. It's an old habit. It's an old truth. It's an old identity. It's something that I'm needing to let go of.
Joel Aylor:And some of the most meaningful growth has come from moments where I felt the most resistance. But you have to be comfortable sitting in that resistance, and that is where most people fail because when resistance comes, they tend to go back into old habits, into old ways of doing things. They go back into what's comfortable. And until you get comfortable in the resistance, nothing's gonna change. It's gonna continue to happen until you actually face that resistance and figure out what how can I do this differently?
Joel Aylor:So resistance and another word for resistance in this way is suffering because, I mean, that is essentially what the Buddha was talking about. Anything that you resist persists. And suffering only happens when we want something to be different than the way it is now. If you can accept what is, whether it's good, bad, indifferent, doesn't matter how you label it, that's that's that's completely a mind game. If you can accept what is now and not resist it, you can move through it.
Joel Aylor:But, again, another teaching that is also simple, not easy. But there's so much power behind that when you actually sit back and see it. The more you resist something, it's you wanting it to be different than it is right now. What's so bad about right now? Right now, us sitting here talking together, what about our life is bad?
Joel Aylor:Is there anything we're lacking? Is there anything we need? Is there anything that is that we that needs to be different than it is in this moment? Chances are not. And those who are listening when you listen to this, same for you.
Joel Aylor:Chances are things are okay. Wanting it to be different than it is right now will do nothing but cause suffering. All that is resistance equals suffering. So it is a your teacher. That is what we are here for.
Joel Aylor:This world is meant to create that resistance. It's meant to teach you and to refine you into being okay with whatever comes your way.
Joe Dermody:So the biggest thing about the the biggest thing I've learned and I'm still learning is, I guess, learning from would be the resistance I had to the meditation. But also to this podcast. So the very first opportunity I had here, Jeff asked me, would I want to be a part of this podcast? And I will be honest, I was terrified. I was very, very resistant at first.
Joe Dermody:I was scared. I had some fear, but I said, sure. Absolutely. Let's do it while internally kind of freaking out. And I can tell you that I have enjoyed every minute of doing this after about the first three.
Joe Dermody:So it it has been a wonderful experience, and everyone I do gets better and better. So that that first initial, what am I doing? How is this working? It it's totally unfounded. Right?
Joe Dermody:And it's just get over myself and do it and enjoy it. And because it's all internal, it's it's I put all of this fear and and anxiety on myself because none of it's external. It's all coming from inside me. And because of that and the same thing about the meditation, everything. And because of that, I sit now and I think about it, and almost every single bit of resistance is put there by me and by my brain.
Joe Dermody:So even today, my Reiki teacher put on me and to go out and find a couple people to practice Reiki on. I'm in Reiki too now, and this is also freaking me out a little bit because it's my first step. It's my next step, right, in this journey and a step that I volunteered to take. Nobody's making me do this. This is something that I wanna do, that I'm excited about doing.
Joe Dermody:And yet it's the next big step that I am thinking about and but I have to overcome. And we talk about it afterwards. And she's like, yeah. I I push you a little bit. I said, I know, and I appreciate it.
Joe Dermody:And I do. I truly appreciate it when the logical brain kicks in and thinks about it. So for anybody listening and for everybody that's taking part of this, just remember most of the things that you are fearful of and that you are resisting, we're putting it on ourselves. And and don't be fearful of this. This is something that is meant to be.
Joe Dermody:We're here to learn and get over ourselves and move on. It will be just fine.
Jeffrey Aylor:I just love the statement, get over ourselves.
Joel Aylor:It just makes me think of the Alan Watts quote, which I've quoted many times before that what the gods intended for play, we take so seriously. Basically, same gist. So we take seriously what the gods intended for play.
Joe Dermody:So Absolutely. Yeah. So I'm working on it.
Joel Aylor:Again, not easy. It's not easy. The the logical brain as we're sitting here talking about it, very easy to talk about internally, not so easy to overcome, but I'm working on it. So
Sherri Keys:I guess for me, gonna I'm gonna ditto the Reiki as well. So I did the Reiki level one, I intentionally didn't really dig into more about it because I really wanted to allow the experience to move me in a different way of understanding. And I was a little skeptical, in terms of,
Joel Aylor:you know,
Sherri Keys:how it would move me and how it would just make me feel in the moment and some of the benefits that I was provided and tools. And so, you know, very pleasantly surprised. It was a great experience and, you know, a great teacher. So that was a really good experience for me. So that was me kind of resisting that change.
Sherri Keys:I'm very much an introvert. You know, I kind of like stay in my own space and talk to myself. I I realized there's medicine for that, Joel Joel. But so that's, you know, that's kind of where I'm at. But it it was it was good to know that in Reiki, I could do that too and still be normal.
Sherri Keys:So I do I do You're definitely normal. Thank you. So I I did really appreciate that, but that was for me in the immediately, at first, on the onset, I was like, wow. I need to know what this will do. And so that that was a good experience.
Sherri Keys:On the professional side, I think, you know, Resistance is good because it allows you to get to root cause and understand perspective. As someone in change, know this is good, you know this is good for you, for people, profit, you you want to do this thing. And it becomes a little frustrating when there's barriers and things that are in place. But sometimes those are good things because understanding through getting that resistance allows you a better perspective on why people are feeling the way they do or coming from the positioning that they're coming from. And once you understand that, it gives you tools to be able to manage and, and get in a space where you can drive that change.
Sherri Keys:But as we've been saying as a repetitive theme, change is hard. It just takes time. But you got to take that first step. So that's my
Jeffrey Aylor:I've come to understand that if I want to be stronger, I need to experience resistance. That's the whole concept between lifting weights in order to gain strength. You they call it resistance training for a reason, and the more you experience that resistance, the stronger you get, then the more you can handle. You can grow. You that's how you grow is by experiencing that kind of resistance.
Jeffrey Aylor:I love what you said, Sherry, about as you're going through change and people resist, it offers you an opportunity to maybe see something within yourself that you weren't seeing. It'll uncover things within you that you need to let go of. There's a lot of things we just need to let go. We hold on to certain things. Again, we talked about old patterns, old stories, grudges.
Jeffrey Aylor:I mean, it's the whole idea behind why we have depression. Depression is of, you know, an excessive focus on the past, and sometimes we need to let go of the future. We think we have a vision of what the future should be, and that that future doesn't exist yet, so we have anxiety. Let go of the future. You're not in control of the future, to be very honest.
Jeffrey Aylor:So a lot of the resistance that we bump up against is there to make us stronger, to to help us be more resilient. In the work that we do, we talk about the three p's. Patience. You be patient through resistance. Persistence.
Jeffrey Aylor:Be consistent in your application of your disciplines, and then perseverance. Just persevere persevere through the resistance, fighting through it, pushing through it. That's what makes you stronger. That's what makes you and gets you closer to being your true and your highest self. So we may maybe perhaps resistance isn't here to stop us, but actually to reveal what we're still holding on to that maybe we need to let go of.
Jeffrey Aylor:So as we bring this conversation to a close, I think it's important to remember that resistance is not a sign of failure. In fact, it's often a sign that something is moving, that we're doing something, and it's shifting. And maybe the invitation isn't to push it away, but to meet it with awareness, consciousness, again, patience, and compassion. So, Joel, Joe, Sherry, thank you for once again sharing your honesty and your presence in this conversation. And for those that are listening, I hope that whatever resistance you may be experiencing in your life right now, realize you are not alone.
Jeffrey Aylor:You are not alone in it. And it may be part of something deeper unfolding within you, and with that, the space between continues. As we come to a close, remember that this journey continues in many expressions. This podcast is part of a family of partner podcasts, Awakening Heaven on Earth, The Space Between Heaven and Earth, and Living Heaven on Earth are three companion podcasts exploring spiritual awakening from complementary perspectives. Awakening Heaven on Earth offers the core teachings and mystical reflections on unity, love, and conscious living.
Jeffrey Aylor:The space between creates room for dialogue, reflection, and lived conversation around those teachings. Living Heaven on Earth focuses on basic practices that help embody these insights in daily life. Together, they form a unified journey of understanding, experience, and integration, inviting listeners to remember their connection with the divine, with one another, and with the living world. You can find all of them available on the same podcast streaming platforms wherever you listen. And if music helps carry these teachings deeper into the heart.
Jeffrey Aylor:The Unity. Awakening Heaven on Earth album is available on all major music streaming services as a musical companion to this journey. Wherever you engage, through listening, reflection, conversation, or music. May it gently remind you, you are not separate. You belong to the one life.
Jeffrey Aylor:And heaven is already unfolding within you. Until next time. Walk gently, love deeply, and embody heaven on earth.