Evidence of Highly Advanced Ancient Civilizations Is Being Hidden — But WHY!? w/ Jay Anderson

Is history a lie? In this episode, Jay Anderson joins us to explore stunning evidence of highly advanced ancient civilizations — and why that truth may be deliberately hidden.

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Seth Holehouse: 00:13

Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Holhouse. So even though on this show, I mainly talk about geopolitics or medical freedom or the global economy, I'm also really passionate about all the other things in this world that are being hidden from us. Ancient civilizations, you know, hidden treatments, how we've cured the body for, you know, thousands of years from certain things that now scientists can't figure out how to even breach the, you know, the the subject of talking about. There's so much knowledge and information out there that I believe has been hidden from us.

Seth Holehouse: 00:55

And if you look at our current news, and you look at especially since 2016 when Trump came in and brought in the whole idea of fake news. Well, a lot of people have come to the real realization that, wow, our news is actually propaganda, and it's fake. Well, if you extrapolate a little bit, and you say, okay, well, who's controlling the news? Like, oh, it's the same people that actually run the pharmaceutical industry. It's the same people that wow, actually, run the Department of Education, that run the companies that publish our textbooks, the the companies that produce documentaries about our history.

Seth Holehouse: 01:31

You start tracing it back and you start to think about it's like, well, if our news is fake, what about the history that I've been told? What about this worldview that I have that's been programmed in me through television programming, television programming? And that's where I love asking the questions. Because when you look at events, such as the recent discovery of these supposed pillars under the the Giza Plateau and and then the pyramids out there, which if you haven't seen it yet, you'll you'll learn a lot about in this episode. These are events and this information that comes out that I think is really important because it has us collectively asking, woah, like, this history that you've been telling me isn't actually true because as much as they've told us, say that take the pyramids as an example, they told us a story how these pyramids were built by the slaves and they had these pulley systems and they, you know, they cut these big stones, they stacked them all together, yet they just so happened to be perfectly aligned to the stars and aligned perfectly with pyramids that were, you know, thousands of, you know, miles away and and different civilizations.

Seth Holehouse: 02:42

You look at this information, it's like, well, there's no way that's real. And then it you start diving, and, the whole idea of a hidden history or ancient civilizations, especially the idea that these old civilizations were perhaps far more advanced than our current civilization. That stuff gets me really excited and interesting or getting in the idea of Tartaria. Like, okay, was there this civilization known as Tartaria that had very advanced technology that were harnessing energy from the sky and from from the Earth? Interesting stuff.

Seth Holehouse: 03:18

But they don't want us looking there because they want us to be stuck in this modern paradigm where how do you get energy? Well, you build these massive solar fields and you collect energy, or you build these big wind turbines, or you have to you have to, you know, dredge up this oil that's a nonrenewable resource. In my opinion, these are all lies that we've been told. And that as you start to uncover these lies, what's amazing to me is that for me at least, it brings me closer to God. It brings me closer to this place where I'm like, gosh, this this world, we're not just these meat puppets walking around.

Seth Holehouse: 03:51

There is something very profound about the human body and about the human history and getting back into the the pre flood civilizations. I mean, to me, it's exciting. And so my guest today is a guy named Jay Anderson, who I only recently came across his work because he was doing a lot of research on the pyramids as this this these discoveries were coming out. And we're just gonna have a free flowing conversation and just dig into this whole idea that there are potentially these advanced civilizations before us and that there are all kinds of artifacts left on Earth that we can't possibly explain or even recreate with our so called super advanced technology that we've evolved from from monkeys into being able to, you know, we can create robots or put brain chips in our heads. It's like, well, what if a thousand years ago they were doing things way more advanced?

Seth Holehouse: 04:40

But what if that technology has been hidden? And what if there are organizations, CIA, OSS, Smithsonian, that have actually been proactively hiding this information from us? Well, how I am since I was a little kid, if you say, Seth, don't look there, don't touch there, I'm looking there and I'm touching there. So that's what this interview is. It's taking a look at the places that they don't want us to look.

Seth Holehouse: 05:08

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Seth Holehouse: 06:30

You'll find that information in the description for the show as well. Mister Jay Anderson, it's good to have you on, man. Thank you very much for joining us today.

Jay Anderson: 06:39

Seth, great to be here, man. Thanks for having me.

Seth Holehouse: 06:41

Absolutely. So I first came across your account in the past month or so, surrounding all the this huge discovery of these pillars beneath the the pyramid. And I, you know, very quickly was, like, just kinda digging through your Twitter feed thing. Okay. This guy is, like, okay.

Seth Holehouse: 06:59

He's on some cool stuff. And, you know, even though on my show, I I talk a lot about, you know, geopolitics and health freedom and everything. I I'm also mildly obsessed with hidden history, ancient architecture, you know, pre you know, previous and hidden civilizations, you know, giants and giant graves, the Nephilim, and what were the Egyptians really doing, and who really built the pyramids. And so these things really fascinate me, and I'm gonna be doing more shows on this kind of stuff. I've I've seen the quote a few different times and and phrase a few different way, but it's like, if if our news is fake, imagine what our history is.

Seth Holehouse: 07:35

Right? Because, like, you see how fake our news is. Well, it's like, okay. Well, the same people and institutions that are feeding us fake news and these are the same ones that run our medical schools. Okay.

Seth Holehouse: 07:48

There's no all kinds of lies there, but they're also the same ones that own the Smithsonian and the museums and rewrite the history books and a lot of the religious books. And so you start diving in this rabbit hole, and it's just like, gosh. What what even is real? So, anyway, I'll let you go ahead and start to introduce yourself, and we'll just we'll just dive in and to see where where this rabbit hole takes us.

Jay Anderson: 08:11

Yeah, man. I mean, I I completely agree. And, I mean, it's a well known saying history is written by the victor. But I I I think that it's only really in the modern era now when people have even the ability to challenge history in the way that it's being challenged because of the alternative research space, because of the fact that information can be shared so quickly across the Internet. You know, you think about all of the hundreds and hundreds and thousands of years where that wasn't possible, and it was very easy to contain and and suppress and censor.

Jay Anderson: 08:40

And and as you said, there's, you know, theological consequences with, the rise of institutional religions, monotheistic religions, you know, powerful entities that have a vested interest in a narrative, like their own narrative, and will and have demonstrably through history, you know, aided in the suppression of information that contradicts that narrative. So, you know, me personally, when it comes to what I do, I tend to follow my intuition. You know, I've got the habit of, focusing intensely on a certain subject before switching to something else and then returning back again. And this is the process through which I kind of present myself publicly via my research. You know, I cover a lot of subjects.

Jay Anderson: 09:18

I got a particular focus on, consciousness. I'm fascinated by the anomalous events, the paranormal events people have experienced, myself included. And, and these interests have also led me down many different corridors of insights and intrigue from quantum mechanics and and biology to ufology, prehistory, which is something that I'm, currently hyper fascinated with, and especially given the recent, claims surrounding the Giza Plateau. And and, of course, even, like, yourself, I keep up with the geopolitics, the culture wars, you know, the the volatile ocean of political discourse that is our modern era because that's something else to plug into and keep an eye on. And I've got many friends who are involved in the artificial intelligence world, and, you know, I like to speak about the implications of that emerging paradigm shift as well.

Jay Anderson: 10:05

So, you So I've researched a lot of things, the occult, the secret societies and mystery schools of the world. I've traveled to fascinating places and documented those travels. So I I I kind of follow whatever interests me, and and these various interests stem from personal experiences, really, that put me on a very different path in life, which is the path I'm on now, which I guess I would kind of say is one of, knowledge gathering and knowledge sharing.

Seth Holehouse: 10:30

And that's it. And that's the amazing thing, is that as much as I despise modern technology, and I'm absolutely concerned about an an AI technocratic takeover of our society, the reality is is that this technology allows you and I to have a conversation like this, put it up for potentially millions to see, and we can really help change the narrative. And whereas, say, twenty years ago, if something about ancient history wasn't put onto the history channel or the discovery channel or something of that sort, the average person had such a hard time discovering this information. And even with the recent discoveries with the the guy Giza Plateau, you would have only seen that if it was allowed to be on the headline news. You know, say maybe thirty years ago before the Internet was really what it is today, or you would have only seen it if Discovery or History Channel did a docu series on it.

Seth Holehouse: 11:24

You wouldn't have really known about it. Whereas here we are, this information is breaking. We go from a a press conference by these scientists to within days, it's it's all over the place. And so I guess we could start there because what what the recent discoveries in Egypt, I think, have opened up a lot of people's minds to thinking about even if they weren't before to now thinking, woah. There's something they're not telling us, about these pyramids, and and what is our history, and were these civilizations more advanced than us?

Seth Holehouse: 11:57

And that that's one thing before I pass back over to you. That's one thing that I've come to understand is that there's a modern arrogance that we have that we think that, oh, we've got science. We've got Elon Musk. We've got robots. We're more advanced.

Seth Holehouse: 12:10

But the more I've looked into older cultures and studied these ancient cultures, I've realized, no. Actually, they were the more advanced cultures. And what we've been put into is we've had this prison planet built around us. And the the the grand SIOP part of it has been this thinking that we're the most advanced so that we don't even question what's around us, especially nor do we even look to the past for answers of what's happening now. So I'll hand that back over to you if you wanna walk us through where you're at the Pyramids and just, you know, responding overall to what we just said.

Jay Anderson: 12:43

Yeah. Well, again, like you said, I'm I'm in complete agreement, and, it's it's refreshing to see that people are becoming more curious about looking at that prehistory. I think especially the prehistory because, you know, this is a very murky area, and, this series of claims surrounding the Giza Plateau, it plays into a much larger global pattern of prehistoric, stone building specifically. You know, there's a profound trail of what I would call, scattered or or shattered evidence for highly advanced stone building cultures, and some people may not be able to appreciate how the words highly advanced and stone building cultures can go together unless we address this larger mosaic of historical evidence that then plays directly into, I would say, the implications of this most recent study of the Carthage Pyramid and the Giza Complex by Filippo Bionde and Carrado Melanga, the Italian scientists, and the claimed findings from the team. So I mean, I'm quite obsessed with prehistoric megalithic stone building cultures all over the world.

Jay Anderson: 13:45

We see these examples of absolutely massive, sometimes in the hundreds of tons, massive stone building projects. You know? This is what we're taught is the stone age, the, the Neolithic period where humans were basically just hunter gatherers. Just let me clear my throat. We've got a high pollen count right now, so I'm kinda getting the beginnings of hay fever.

Seth Holehouse: 14:06

Well, actually, you you give me an opportunity play one quick video.

Jay Anderson: 14:09

Yeah. By all means, jump in.

Seth Holehouse: 14:10

Well, no. I I wanna play this I wanna show this post you put out April 8. You said the ancients understood the profound importance of acoustics and tones. They understood how to make stones sing. This video right here, which I'll let you explain what what this is, but to me, this is the the pinnacle of highlighting exactly what you're saying.

Seth Holehouse: 14:28

So this is a guy from what I've seen, I'll let you explain more, who's rubbing a stone across a stone that has this grid cut into it. Now, don't know how old this stone is or what's going on here, but let's listen to it. I'll let you explain it after that. Now, to me, if I heard that without even knowing what what it was, I think, oh, it's some kid learning how to play the oboe or the clarinet.

Jay Anderson: 15:26

Yeah.

Seth Holehouse: 15:27

But it it so what's going on here?

Jay Anderson: 15:30

Well, I mean, it's it's it's fascinating because this is something that I'm very interested in when it comes to the prehistoric and and megalithic sites is the acoustic sciences that seem to be involved and the knowledge of a very sophisticated acoustic sciences and the impact on the human body and brain. But what you're seeing here is, essentially, it's a very simple method. You you have varying degrees of depth to these grooves that are cut into the rock. And, I'm not sure on the lot on the rock, but I would yeah. Sorry.

Jay Anderson: 15:58

Take a a a guess that it would be limestone. Limestone's a very good stone for amplifying acoustic vibration. The Greeks used limestones to construct the Colosseums and to construct the amphitheaters because it just propagates acoustic waveforms very easily, so you can hear things right from the back. So this is another, material that's used by so many of these prehistoric stone builders. But what you're seeing is essentially, a transference of mechanical stress.

Jay Anderson: 16:23

So the rock is, scraping against this larger, you know, well, the stone is scraping against this larger rock with the grooves cut into it, and as the rock's vibrating and sending that vibration through these, grooves, it's creating kind of a tonal sound because of this transference of mechanical stress. So it's actually very simple and you can make these quite easily, actually, but this is something that just plays into this larger pool of evidence. Because what we see when we really scrutinise these ancient megaliths like Stonehenge in England or, Newgrange in Ireland or somewhere I got back from recently, Malta with the hypogeum of Hal Ceflioni. And in all honesty, they're all over the world from, Saxa Woman and, Chavin de Huanca in Peru to Egypt with the King's Chamber Of The Pyramid and many other sites. When these sites are thoroughly examined, we see absolute precision engineering that demonstrates a highly sophisticated understanding of mathematics.

Jay Anderson: 17:21

We see incredible stone lifting and placement capabilities that completely contradict what we understand to have been technologically feasible at such a primal state of human development, what we assume to have been a primal state of human development. But even more impressive is we see precision celestial alignments with a lot of these structures aligned with the solstices, the equinoxes, the procession of planets and stars, many of these prehistoric sites. And, again, this is all over the world. Many of them are constructed in geophysical locations that have higher than average telluric currents, which are natural electric currents that move through the Earth's crust and oceans. And then they exhibit this kind of purposeful geometric placement and the choice of very specific building materials to produce incredible acoustic effects, naturally induced electrical effects.

Jay Anderson: 18:13

And this is really, really important. The deliberate acoustic tuning of these prehistoric, multi ton, precision placed, celestially aligned, planetary integrated temples and sacred sites, including the Pyramids Of Giza, it's a profoundly underappreciated and overlooked aspect of the evidence for what I would say is a lost civilization and a lost science. It's only now beginning to be re evidenced through the lens of our modern cultures. You know, this is kind of bleeding edge stuff when you're looking at the acoustic effects on consciousness and the quantum effects in our own brain. Then you're looking at these prehistoric temples and you're realizing, well, they're tuned harmonically.

Jay Anderson: 18:51

For example, the hypogeum of Halsephaliani in Malta tunes to 110 Hertz of a male baritone voice with focalized areas where this acoustic propagation is is concentrated. And if you sit there and have this, you know, tone going over and over and kind of filling up the entire chasm, it influences your consciousness. It changes your brainwave state from alpha to theta. So, you know, there's a lot of things going on here that indicate a profound knowledge that actually, I think begrudgingly, we don't even have ourselves. So, yeah, very advanced, but in a different way.

Jay Anderson: 19:29

The last thing I'll say before I let you jump in is I think that they were extremely advanced. I think there was a pre flood civilization that survived, a cataclysm and tried to rebuild and were essentially the traumatized offspring of that ancestral time where it seems like they were using the natural materials of the planet like technologies, and they were leveraging the planet in a technological way in a way that's very contradictory to our own avenue of, development with wires and cables and, you know, mechanics and batteries. Like, the Earth was the wires and cables, the stones with the batteries. Like, it seems like a technology, but it just it's something that we're not accustomed to.

Seth Holehouse: 20:10

I I couldn't agree more. And you mentioned this pre flood civilization. I've even had the thought too because as I've dug into even the pyramidal structures and the fact that you see you find these pyramids in almost every region on Earth, including, I think there's probably there's massive ones in Antarctica that have been hidden from us. Think there's some No doubt. Underwater, you know, that that you may be as part of, like, the White Pyramid Of Atlantis that, you know, that exists somewhere under the ocean.

Seth Holehouse: 20:38

Even in China, there's a lot of people don't realize that there's actually massive pyramids in China from, you know, prehistoric civilizations that were built in China. Right? And I've even thought one of my little kind of, you know, kind of wild theories, but it's it's like maybe some of these these early civilizations knew the flood was coming. And instead of going up in the mountains, they went underground. And I you know, thinking about thinking about it from a a pressure point, thinking about the pressure at the bottom of the ocean.

Seth Holehouse: 21:06

Right? If there was gonna be a massive ocean covering the entire Earth and you wanted to build some sort of door or some sort of thing to protect you and to protect your entrances to your tunnels going underground, a pyramid type shape would be the perfect structure sitting at the bottom of the ocean to protect the to to protect the entrances and everything from that pressure. So I thought maybe these pyramids were built, you know, in in some sense, right, as a way of, protecting something underground or during a massive flood. But, anyway, that's just one of my kind of side theories.

Jay Anderson: 21:39

But I mean, it's definitely possible, and I I think that it's it's certainly, also possible that the pyramid itself represents protecting the knowledge of that civilization and that perhaps these were I was discussing this with Trevor Grassi, who I did an interview recently. He's a kind of independent Egyptologist. He's friends of the people on the Kafir project that have been out there doing these these scans. And, you know, this this whole idea that, you know, perhaps perhaps the, the underground civilized because, you you know, in Turkey, right, listen, just quick little aside in in regards to the subterranean underground living. In Turkey, there are so many of these subterranean, cities, these ancient subterranean cities.

Jay Anderson: 22:19

There was one that found by a guy that was just renovating his house, and he went under the ground and found this entire chasm that opened up into a city that they believe could accommodate around 3,000 people. So, you know, the whole idea of, like, seeking refuge underground, that's represented in a lot of different areas. But the pyramid itself, I mean, at least the pyramids in Giza, Trevor was saying that, you know, he thinks they might be capstones for these kind of global resets. And so it is kind of like a preparatory structure that has been constructed in order to save the knowledge, perhaps, keep the people safe as well and save them, but certainly to contain the knowledge because the pyramid itself, regardless of what might lie below it and these discussions about the Halls Of Amenti or the sacred halls Of Records and antediluvian technology, like, potentially, sure, like, there might be this amazing treasure trove of, incredible things to discover below the pyramid. But the Pyramids Of Giza, specifically, just their their very existence is a gigantic scientific time capsule.

Jay Anderson: 23:19

There's pi encoded into it. The golden ratio encoded into it. Some people even say light speed is encoded into it with the parameters when you do it all and add it all together. The radius of the planet, it's on complete meridian north. It's aligned to the, Orion belt.

Jay Anderson: 23:34

There's there's actually more things than I can rattle off on the top of my head. There are so many scientific principles, mathematic principles, acoustic principles, sacred, and kind of harmonic connecting to the equilibrium of the planet principles that are in play here. So it's almost like the pyramids themselves are the hall of records. Like, you've gotta decode all of these different things that we've inserted into it, then you'll understand what our culture is. And perhaps they were hoping to survive.

Jay Anderson: 24:00

And, you know, there's a lot of there's a lot of actually evidence around the world of different prehistoric sites that are built to be seismically resistant to be able to re like, in Saxa Woman, Peru, where you've got these incredible multi ton cyclopian stones that are fitted together like jigsaw puzzle piece boards and, like, no mortar, no binding agent. They just fit together. Can't fit a razor blade between them. And even the local Peruvians and the ancient stories from that culture say that it wasn't the Inca that built Saxa Woman in Peru. It was a completely different, far older.

Jay Anderson: 24:32

There you go. Right there. So these incredible stones are fitted together without any mortar. No no ancient cement. They just slot together perfectly in very, very strange orientations.

Jay Anderson: 24:45

And one of the things as well, before I before I be quiet, is around the world with these megalithic sites, you'll find these, nubs. You might be able to find an image of this where if you type in kind of, like, megalithic nubs, stone knobs, and, like, all over the world, you've got these stones where there's, like, a little knob coming out of it, almost like the stone was soft and it was pulled away. And that's where the stone was still being pulled away when the craftsman was finishing with that particular stone. That's one of the theories because we don't understand how they fitted together these ridiculous stones. There you go.

Jay Anderson: 25:17

There's one example, but these are everywhere. Everywhere. They're in Peru, in Saxa Woman. They're in England. They're in Ireland.

Jay Anderson: 25:25

They're in Japan. They're in Syria. They're in Greece. They're in every part of the world where you have these very interesting megalithic sites. So there seems to be something to do.

Jay Anderson: 25:33

Like, some people think it's, ropes or, like, holding ropes, but there's a lot of the positions that don't make sense. And, yeah. So there's there's definitely a rabbit hole to fall down in regards to these weird little nubs seem to be on all these rocks. But, yeah, either way, there's so many patterns in the global story, Egypt represents such a kind of glowing crystal of, evidence for that because even when you get into the differences between architecture and Egypt, there's some questions between dynastic Egyptian architecture and much older, much older architecture, including the pyramids. I I think the pyramids are much older personally.

Jay Anderson: 26:07

And the Sphinx. The Sphinx is basically, at this point, I would say, proven. And, yeah, I'll I'll shut up. I'll shut up. There's there's so much to say.

Jay Anderson: 26:14

I don't wanna No.

Seth Holehouse: 26:15

There is.

Jay Anderson: 26:15

Completely overtake.

Seth Holehouse: 26:16

No. It's great.

Jay Anderson: 26:17

Well So much to say.

Seth Holehouse: 26:18

And I'm I'm try I'm gonna try to keep us on track because my mind's going to 10 different things about, you know, 10

Jay Anderson: 26:22

different Right? Like, rain rain me in when you have show Right?

Seth Holehouse: 26:25

Like, I'm not sure. You probably can't the Ica stones. You've heard the the those stones. Right? Which is Yeah.

Seth Holehouse: 26:30

Actually, I'll I'll we'll touch that quickly because you're you're talking about Peru. So the Aika stones, now now they say that these stones were an pardon me, an art project by some farmer in, like, the sixties that he carved these. But what I had heard of these stones is that there was a flood that, this farmer in the sixties after the floodwaters recessed, a cave had opened up, and he found these, you know, thousands of these stones that were, you know, dated I've heard, you know, sometime, you know, thirty thirty thousand years ago to different, you know, histories, but basically, you know, sort of prehistoric stones, but these stones, depict man with dinosaurs. Like, they depict, like, right here is a stone that looks like an Aztec type type man.

Jay Anderson: 27:11

Yeah. A

Seth Holehouse: 27:12

man riding a dragon. Right? There's more of men fighting with dinosaurs. Like, there's a stone Yeah. I'm to say it's one

Jay Anderson: 27:20

those ones. I mean, obviously, like, mainstream archaeology and history just dismisses them as fakes, and and that's about it. But, honestly, there's not there's not much on them. I mean, you know, people will argue that they're evidence of lost ancient civilizations and, you know, the references to medicine and and astronomy and potentially even, you know, time travel and space exploration. And it it's it's all there, but I I don't know enough about them personally in terms of, like, the storyline, other than the fact that they were, you know, being discussed in the sixties by that farmer.

Jay Anderson: 27:49

But there there's so many cases of this. They they're called Oop Arts. I don't know if you've heard of that, term out of place artifacts, oop arts. And there's a there's a whole kinda laundry list of, of oop arts out there. I did, like, a kind of top 10 or top 15 at one point.

Jay Anderson: 28:03

One of the best ones in terms of out of place artifacts is the antique etherium mechanism. Are you familiar with that one?

Seth Holehouse: 28:10

Is that the, like, the the bronze mechanism? Is that what it is?

Jay Anderson: 28:16

It's a it was found in the Antikytherian Ocean and, in a in a shipwreck, and it's this ancient Greek computer that completely contradicts what they were able to do at the time with gears. Like, the gears are incredible, and they're even still today only now finding certain gears with different technologies to x-ray scan and look inside it because the the complexity of the gears wouldn't be seen for hundreds and hundreds of years later, like, of years later, and it's basically considered to be one of the first computers. It it it works computationally. It could track the solar system, the the planets, the stars. There was a lot going on with the Antikytheria mechanism, and we don't really, you know, fully know what it was for, but we've got some good ideas.

Jay Anderson: 28:57

And, yeah, it's it's a technological anomaly. It should not exist based on on what we know about ancient Greece. So, you know, what what do wanna say about that precursor Atlantean technology that was held on the island of Crete or something and was being taken by boat and it, you know, it sunk, maybe there's only a few of these little artifacts out there. There's certainly no more antikytheria mechanisms that have popped up in Greece, which makes you think it's probably, an anomaly, like, in terms of a closely kept technology. We're not the only period where there was classified technologies.

Jay Anderson: 29:27

So it could be some, you know, secret scholars working day and night on something from old papers that they've scurried away from the library of Alexandria or something, but we just don't know. All we know is this thing turns up, we date it, and it makes no sense based on our models for history, which what does that say? Well, here's some physical evidence. So what are you what are you gonna talk about in terms of our models for history? They clearly need to change.

Jay Anderson: 29:51

Clearly, something needs to alter because here's physical evidence. This is another interesting one. Some people debate these because of the, the you know, they'll they'll say that the aging of the rock is millions of years old or, you know, hundreds of thousands of years old.

Seth Holehouse: 30:03

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Jay Anderson: 31:20

But then the mining tool could have actually fallen down a crab, like a crevasse or a or a crack in the rock. Then then that seals back up, And then we dig it up and go, holy shit. There's a there's a hammer inside this 6,000,000 year year old granite. So some of these are difficult to know in terms of the dating on them, but they're still very interesting, and, they shouldn't be dismissed outright. You know, there there are some very interesting anomalies out there from cultures.

Jay Anderson: 31:46

It's it's worth talking about.

Seth Holehouse: 31:47

Well, and and what be I wanna I wanna jump into the the, you know, Giza Plateau and everything, but just one quick Yeah. Yeah. Story of this is, you know, through through the research I've done, it seems like whenever some of these ancient artifacts are discovered, the the first people that show up are these kind of men in black as people working for the Smithsonian. Right? And and that basically, the Smithsonian is not just this museum, but actually, it's the organization that's responsible for making sure that none of this history is is brought out to the people.

Seth Holehouse: 32:18

And, you know, one of these instances are these prehistoric, sites of of giants. Right? I mean, it may not prehistoric, but even these sites from, you know, couple hundred years, couple thousand years ago of these, where giants were buried. And funny enough, I was back I was living in Ohio, there's a guy that we'd hired to do some, woodcutting, you know, some tree work for us. He was taking trees down and everything and talking to him, and he was really into this stuff.

Seth Holehouse: 32:42

And he he was telling me, he goes, actually, well, if you look at it, Ohio was a a region where there's a lot of references to giants. I think even Lincoln, in one of his, speeches talked about giants in Ohio.

Jay Anderson: 32:54

I was literally I was literally just looking that up because I had the quote in my head, and I've just got it up here. So this is apparently, from Abraham Lincoln, and it's a quote attributed to him when he was doing speeches at Niagara Falls in 1848. And he says, the eyes of that species of extinct giants whose bones fill the mounds of America have gazed on Niagara as ours do now. Now I don't know if that is, but that's the Internet saying it's attributed to Abraham Lincoln. But it's, it's interesting if it is, and I have always wondered about the Native American burial grounds and these big burial mounds that are existing all over America because, there are stories.

Jay Anderson: 33:34

And I dismissed this early on when I was, you know, beginning my kind of research journeys in the alternative world, but I'm I'm a lot more focused on it now with regards to the Smithsonian and some of the claims around, for example, the Grand Canyon. I don't know if you've looked into some of the weird claims about Egyptian presence in the Grand Canyon and hieroglyphs and certain areas that were sealed off very early. There's you know, it's a little bit like, you know, how you get with Roswell with the UFO subject? This 1947 newspaper, you know, report flying saucer lands in the desert a day later. No.

Jay Anderson: 34:04

Shut up. It was never a flying saucer. It was just a dummy. Like, don't worry about it. Hush-hush.

Jay Anderson: 34:09

And you get this. It doesn't happen as much now, but you got this back in the day, and it happened with a lot of these things as well. Giant bones discovered in, you know, the Utah Basin or, like, hieroglyphics and Egyptian treasures found inside the Grand Canyon, and then it just stops. So there are actually quite a few stories, and some of them have got a little bit of a receipt, you know, in regards to various, reports and confirms from different sources on, on, Egyptian artifacts in the Grand Canyon and giant bones. So, yeah, I I I think there might be something to it, like the Nephilim, these ancient stories of something that was larger.

Jay Anderson: 34:43

You know, whether on whether it was an alien species like the Anunnaki that came down and became the Sumerian gods and all of that kind of stuff, or whether it was a hominid species that was just a bit bigger and kind of, like, Neanderthal like. And I'm not sure, but I don't dismiss the idea of of giants, like, kind of, like, ten, fourteen foot type of, giants. You know?

Seth Holehouse: 35:02

What was interesting is this guy was talking to me, and he had no reason to to lie. I mean, he was just telling me. And and so he he had this obsession with giants and prehistoric culture, and he said that so he was, like, really much so, like, like, it's like, like, Appalachian Hills kinda guy, like, lived in the woods kinda person. And part of what he would do is he'd keep going to properties, he'd find these big black walnut trees, which are worth, you know, sometimes, you know, tens of thousands of dollars for these huge slab pieces of walnut. And he would go find these big trees, and he cut them down, and then he'd sell them off to mills and everything.

Seth Holehouse: 35:33

He was working on this one property in Ohio, this older woman, and he was out there at one point. And he told me that he there's like a river nearby, he'd found all these artifacts that were from what he believed to be a giant civilization. And then what he also said he found was was a burial site, where he knew that it was it was a large burial mound that he was convinced that there was it must have been a giant burial mound because he had been again studying these things for most of his life. Anyway, he went back, he finally had a chance to go back a couple years later when he was gonna go back and ask if he could go just do some digging around on this woman's property, and this older woman at that time she said, Oh, sorry. She said the Smithsonian already came.

Seth Holehouse: 36:14

And they already did. They already looked at it. They didn't find anything, but the Smithsonian shaved my property. And and so it's just like, oh, interesting.

Jay Anderson: 36:22

Yeah. Like, I could not reason to

Seth Holehouse: 36:24

be lying to me. Like, what's what's what's what why would he make this up to me, some random guy he's cutting trees down for?

Jay Anderson: 36:31

Exactly. Like, I I actually trust those average Joe people more than, like, the official scientists and people in the government. You know? Like, there's no vested interest to lie or obfuscate or misdirect with someone who's just cutting down your trees. It's like, listen, dude.

Jay Anderson: 36:46

I've seen some stuff. Let me tell you about it. It's like, I believe that person way quicker than an official representative of the Smithsonian or the Vatican or the government when it comes to this kind of stuff. But, you know, the the giant thing is interesting, where I went recently in Malta, that's actually, very much in the lore of giants. There's a place called, Gozo, the Island Of Gozo, which is just off of the Mainland Of Malta, and, it's got one of the oldest prehistoric, megalithic towers in the world.

Jay Anderson: 37:16

It's huge, and it's called Giant's Tower, and the locals say it was built by giants, and there's a lot of, history in the Maltese folklore about giants building these megalithic sites that litter the entire island. And one of the really weird things about Malta, and it does tie into this idea of giants, is, and I think they were found at other sites, but very specifically the hypogeum of of Halceph Lieni, 1 of the weirdest places, honestly, that I've ever been to, for a number of reasons. First of all, this is Giant's Tower, yeah, Gajantir on the island of Gozo. So I've, I was I was there a few, two months ago now. And, absolutely phenomenal stone building, and this is, like, very, you know, weathered and and dilapidated at this point.

Jay Anderson: 37:59

It was much larger. But, it's attributed to this giantess who built it with the stone slung over her shoulder and her baby on her back. And, it's very strange because the Hypergeum specifically, which is this subterranean, temple structure, it seems to be the most ancient of the prehistoric temple structures on Malta. All of the ones above ground seem to be mimicking it in terms of the geometry. They seem to be mimicking the Hypogeum, but the Hypogeum's an underground temple site.

Jay Anderson: 38:29

And this is something that's another pattern in global, subterranean temple structures is that you usually find a amazing and incredible and, you know, wow, what are the what an awe inspiring temple built above ground. But then below ground, there's an older, more sacred, and more advanced site that's a labyrinth of subterranean, you know, tunnels or structures. And you find this again across the world where you've got a newer, a newer, like, dynastic and, you know, empire period temple, but it's constructed on the ground of something that's way more impressive. And so the Hypogeum is like a multi tier subterranean temple that's literally been dug clear out of the limestone. It's if you can get some images up, it'd be really cool because, like, there is it it is fantastic.

Jay Anderson: 39:15

Hypogeum, spelled H Y P 0 G E U M, and then Malta. Because the stonework is this incredible overlapping kind of arcs. And when I was feeding it into AI to kind of give it a little bit of an analysis, it actually said that it looks like multiple overlapping spherical Helmholtz resonators, which is very interesting because a Helmholtz resonator is a technology, a device for channeling acoustic waves. And this place has been proven empirically that it's 100% acoustically tuned. It's meant to reverberate, and it's made out of limestone, which is a perfect natural acoustic amplification material.

Jay Anderson: 39:57

I I think about 75% of this place is locked off to the public. Okay? So you can't access about 75% of this entire site. Again, it's multi levels. It's subterranean.

Jay Anderson: 40:08

And if you do one thing, if you type in hypergeomolta human ear, put human ear next to it. There's a fantastic diagram that would be worth putting up because people have looked at this, site from, an aerial perspective, and they really believe that it's been designed like the human ear with all of these different elements that seem to be leading up to the main area where the oracle chamber sits. And, there you go. So, like, this is actually, like, a diagram showing the above sight, like, as if you could pierce through with an X-ray and see the see the sight all the way through. And there's again, these similarities to our own, ear is is pretty strange, but the acoustic tuning has been completely proven.

Jay Anderson: 40:47

Now why I bring it up in relationship to the giants is because inside this place, there was a lot of abnormally sized skulls, malformed, elongated skulls. And there's only one of these skulls that's now on, exhibition in the, museum of archaeology in Valletta, in the city of Valletta in Malta. So I went to that. That's in the little promo clip. You can see, like, the skull.

Jay Anderson: 41:13

And what's very interesting about these is a lot of people will talk about elongated skulls, obviously, they'll refer to head binding, like a tradition of head binding. And, yeah, that's definitely one of the reasons why there was elongated skulls, but not these ones, because they lack a critical suture down the top of the head. So every human being has a a a crack in the skull going across this, diagonally and one going vertically. Right? These skulls that are in the hypogeum specifically now I can't, speak for these ones.

Jay Anderson: 41:44

I think these are just, like, elongated skulls that have been found in other places. But the one that's been found and is on display in the Museum of Archaeology in Valletta doesn't have the vertical suture line that every single human skull requires in order to be born, but these skulls were dated to be adult skulls. They weren't baby skulls. So these, people, whoever they were, were living their lives, but they were doing so lacking the critical suture that every human needs for their head to kinda basically stay together. And one of the theories about that was that if these skulls were passing through a wider birth canal, there you go.

Jay Anderson: 42:24

So there's no vertical. A human a human skull should have a it should basically be forming a t where you see that horizontal line going across. It should be a vertical one going down. These ones don't have that. Now one of the theories about that is that if it was going through a wider birth canal, it wouldn't require the pressure that the our human skull needs to push together.

Jay Anderson: 42:43

And so, you know, it kinda ties again back into this whole theory and mythos that's on, the Isle Of The Malta about giants. There you go. There's one for comparison, that vertical, suture line going down. And there's clearly there's nothing there. And, yeah, it's it's pretty weird.

Jay Anderson: 43:00

Now only one of these skulls is on display, but the claim, and it's even written in the in in the, museum, the claim is that dozens and dozens, if not hundreds of these elongated skulls were found in the Hypogeum, but it's a very cloak and dagger story. The original guy died. He got taken over by some official dude, probably representing Smithsonian or something of a similar ilk. And then, of course, with Malta, you've got the Knights Malta, and there's, like, a lot of, to be honest, like, high crime and, like, it's a very powerful place. It's, like, you know, a lot of offshore tax haven money goes through Malta, and then the knights of Malta tied to the Vatican and the Holy See.

Jay Anderson: 43:35

So, you know, there's a lot of, like, deep esoteric and, like, powerful hands exchanging in Malta. So, yeah, there's a there's a weird story involving that, but, yeah, dude, giants, skulls, hypogeons, and acoustic temples. It's all very fascinating stuff.

Seth Holehouse: 43:48

It is. So I guess getting to the pyramids. Right? Because that which is Yeah. Yeah.

Jay Anderson: 43:54

We haven't even touched on that yet.

Seth Holehouse: 43:55

It's like we we go for ten more hours and still don't even mention the Pyramids.

Jay Anderson: 43:58

Oh, for real. Yeah.

Seth Holehouse: 44:00

I mean, I know that you've been kinda on the forefront of helping to take this information from the these these recent discoveries in the, Giza Plateau and helping to to translate, bring it to more people. I think you're on Alex Jones at one point talking about it. So for for people that maybe just saw the images I'll bring up the images actually here. Yeah. So people that just saw these pictures going around, they saw Greg Reese's video about it perhaps, and they see, okay, these kind of look like X-ray scans, you know, this various information.

Seth Holehouse: 44:32

There's all all kinds of really kinda cool renderings people have done.

Jay Anderson: 44:35

Tons of tons of AI AI art now that's flooding the matrix with these things. Exactly.

Seth Holehouse: 44:40

So walk us through this. I mean and and you interviewed was it one of the actual scientists that was involved with this? Or

Jay Anderson: 44:48

Yeah. So I I I interviewed I interviewed the guy whose patented technological method is responsible for producing the scans, Filippo Bionde. What the what the team are claiming and, I I fell into this, dude, because I literally I was, like, the second person to catch wind of this on X. And so I hurriedly put together a video once I kind of absorbed the information and was like, wow. Like, this is if this is real, this is insane.

Jay Anderson: 45:16

And that video, you know, blew up relatively for my channel. I think it's at, like, just over 500,000 views now, which is just unheard of for my YouTube channel. So that kind of threw me into the middle of it. I'm I'm a researcher of these types of topics, but I'm not, you know, part of the team or an expert on these things. So suddenly everyone's asking me questions.

Jay Anderson: 45:34

But I did my research, did my homework, and I made sure that I understood what was going on. And, the team are claiming and and the scientists involved, by the way, in are Corrado Malanga. He's a former professor of organic chemistry at the University of Pisa. And then Filippo Bionde, who's an engineer and a specialist in something called synthetic aperture radar or SAR, S A R, Doppler technologies, which, in simple terms are technologies that analyze frequencies produced by sound or light. And, he's, Filippo, that is, is recognized for his geophysical surveys of archaeological sites.

Jay Anderson: 46:10

He's actually deployed this technology in a few different locations. This is another thing that was brought up by a lot of the skeptics saying, Oh, it's untested. It's never been used. That's not true. He has used it.

Jay Anderson: 46:20

He used it at the Gran Lasso National Laboratory, the Grand Sasso National Laboratory and, the Mosul Dam in Iraq. And he claims to have basically developed a a technique, not a technology so much, but a technique for using these technologies, the, the SAR satellite, the synthetic aperture radar satellite scans, and this, this Doppler integration, and I can explain what that means in a bit more detail. Basically, through these methodologies, the team who've been deploying these scans on the Giza Plateau claim to have discovered these massive structures beneath the Carthor Pyramid, which is the middle pyramid of the three on the Giza Plateau. So they believe they've discovered, what appear to be these eight massive cylindrical structures with these downward spiraling features, like these huge columns with spiraling features coming down from the Kapha Pyramid into the ground. And these structures extend from the base of the pyramid approximately, I think it was something like 630 meters below the ground, each of them.

Jay Anderson: 47:25

Okay? Which then connects into two approximately 80 by 80 meter boxes that these these columns are, like, coming down into. And, and then they go on to say that this appears to represent an element of an even larger subterranean infrastructure that connects across the entire Giza Complex with some of the structural engineering actually reaching up to two kilometers below the Earth's surface. Now, that's a crazy claim to make, and it's no surprise that it's, you know, kinda caught fire all over the Internet and made a lot of people very skeptical. Yeah, they did, like, a four hour presentation.

Jay Anderson: 48:02

They released a lot of information in a four hour presentation. That was all in Italian. So you did have to kinda sit there and, you know, try and understand the subtitles as best as you could, which weren't brilliant. Everything was being done in Italian. And I think the way in which it was released is one of the reasons why I got so much skepticism, man.

Jay Anderson: 48:20

Like, I mean, obviously, the claims themselves are like, that's that's gonna introduce skepticism, especially in academia. But I think the general public in the Anglosphere, it wasn't so well received. And I heard a lot of people commenting this, and I have to agree with them. A lot of people who were Italian were like, listen, guys. Like, these are these are old school Italians.

Jay Anderson: 48:40

Okay? They're old school Italian scientists. They don't really understand our world, you know, kind of like marketing culture. They're not American in that kind of way of presenting that information. They literally were asked if they could, you know, present the stuff, and they were like, sure.

Jay Anderson: 48:56

Yeah. You can present the stuff. They gave it to a couple of people, and it looked really weird because these random researchers who had, like, 10 followers were putting out this stuff, and it turns out they were friends of the researchers. And so it was released in a funny way, and that activated skepticism. But then I got an interview, and luckily, this is, you know, in English.

Jay Anderson: 49:16

This is the first interview that Filippo Bionde did in English. And, Armando May, who's another researcher and Egyptologist and, journalist, he's on the team, they both joined me for a talk very recently a few days ago, which is on my YouTube channel, and they explain it. They explain the methodologies. Filippo Bionde goes into this kind of, like, SAR Doppler integration technology. And, one thing I'll say real quick is that so many of the skeptics and this pretty annoyed me, actually.

Jay Anderson: 49:42

A lot of the skeptics were saying, oh, well, this technology can't penetrate two kilometers below the Earth. There's no way. There's no possibility that this could even be done because that's a sci fi technology that doesn't exist. And and they're right. That can't happen, but that's not what the team are proposing they're doing.

Jay Anderson: 49:59

Filippo Bionde is proposing this different method that he patented in 2022, and they already deployed it on the Great Pyramid Of, Giza, and they found subterranean tunnel networks that were then validated and and shown to be there. And the mainstream media dropped the ball on that back in 2022 and didn't report on it because it's just like these small time Italian researchers that, you know, nobody's paying attention to. And now they've done it again. And like I said, he already had a portfolio with, like, you know, the the the Mosul Dam and Gran Sasso Laboratory penetrating down. Like, the Gran Sasso Laboratory is inside a mountain, and they've they've managed to create a diagram of the laboratory using this technology.

Jay Anderson: 50:38

So, basically, the the last thing I'll say is that, essentially, instead of penetrating two kilometers into the rock, which is what they're not doing, they're scanning the subsurface of the ground literally, like, 30 centimeters or less into the ground. And what they're doing is they're reading for vibrations, acoustic vibrations, vibrations that are coming up from structures below the ground. And so they were doing I think they they did, like, 200 tomographies over a year with two separate satellite companies and two completely, like, different scanning techniques that were being used by these different companies using this integration of the Doppler technologies that Beyond had patented, and they kept coming up with the same results. Each time, they were using different methods and different, like, versions, different scans, same results. These spirals, these weird spirals kept popping up, these structures that were around the plateau.

Jay Anderson: 51:29

So, yeah, it's it's, it seems like a lot of the skepticism essentially is based on a misinterpretation of the technology being deployed, assuming it's a conventional synthetic synthetic aperture radar, but it's actually synthetic aperture radar Doppler integration expand microwave, you know, Beyondee's special recipe, which, again, activates skepticism because, well, who's Beyondee, and why does he have a special recipe to do this? But the proof is in the portfolio that he's already got online. And one last thing, my bro, and then I really will shut up. You can find his website, www.harmonicsaar.com. Harmonic Saar, s a r, Com.

Jay Anderson: 52:10

And that's where he has his proof of concept and information about the Gran Sasso laboratory and, you know, Mosul Damirach, and they go. See and and they're using it for bridges as well, for structural integrity on bridges, as you can see there. So this is a demonstrable technology. He's using it. He's deploying it.

Jay Anderson: 52:24

Only difference is that he's deployed it on the pyramids, and it's super controversial to, find these things on the pyramids. Right? So there there's there's why the firestorm got activated, but, you know, proof of concept right there on his website.

Seth Holehouse: 52:37

What what's interesting is that I have come to the conclusion, I'm sure you have too, that the vast majority of what we think about and how we perceive our world has been manufactured. That that we have been similar to say a what is it? I think this is the idea of a if three generations of an animal built, you know, that's kind of caged, we'll we'll actually no longer remember what it's like outside the cage. Right? There's a different analogy of like that.

Seth Holehouse: 53:06

If you're trying to domesticate an animal, it takes three generations to domesticate an animal from it, you know, getting rid of its wildness. Well, we're under, you know, probably dozens and dozens of generations where our history has been modified. You know, some some of these of these events going back, you know, six hundred or a thousand years that the shaping of our worldview. And so I really try to keep that in mind and and not come to the table with any notions about how things work. It's tricky because there's a lot of fake stuff out there.

Seth Holehouse: 53:38

There's, you know, there's a lot of bogus theories and, like, if you if you're like, oh, when are the med beds coming? It's like, well

Jay Anderson: 53:44

Yeah.

Seth Holehouse: 53:45

They they, you go ahead and buy your your first clean your your past the med bed that's gonna come. It's gonna heal you of everything all of a sudden. Right? There's these ideas that have been put out there, and I think a lot of it is is fake. And so you can't just forget everything and think, okay, I'll believe any theory, but I've tried to keep my own grounded, you know, kind of rooted beliefs, but at the same time, look at everything with an open mind.

Seth Holehouse: 54:09

And and I I find it very helpful. And so when I'm thinking about these types of of, you know, topics, anything that comes out that questions one of the foundational structures that make up our worldview, it's it's instantly rejected. Right? It's part of it. There's there's a healthy aspect to that that we have this normalcy bias that creates a world that we can live in and exist in.

Seth Holehouse: 54:34

And and if all a sudden, we realize all these things all at once, for a lot of people, can't handle it. It breaks their reality. So there's a mechanism to keep us safe, which I see its merit. However, that mechanism is also a cage or, it's a box, right, that that that entraps us. And so when I'm looking at these these things, I'm trying to look at truly with an open mind and think about, okay, what's really going on there?

Seth Holehouse: 54:59

And that's been helpful for me. I think I've I've been able to learn a lot about the world and and understand a lot of prehistorical or ancient civilization type information through a lens that I can make sense of. And so when I look at the pyramids, guess, you know, this is a question for you. Taking this, say, not not even 10,000 foot view, like the million foot view of this. How do you make sense of all this?

Seth Holehouse: 55:22

Like, when you see this information coming out about the pyramids, it wasn't just a one off for you. Like, you've been studying ancient cultures and hidden and prehistoric civilizations and, you know, various aspects of that for for quite some time. So when you see this information coming out about the pyramids, what do you think it is? Like, like, I was yeah. I guess, yeah.

Seth Holehouse: 55:46

What what do you think it is? What what's down there? What was its purpose? Who do you think made it? Obviously, we're speculating, but you kinda have to because the truth's been hidden so much that it's all you have is speculation.

Jay Anderson: 55:58

Yeah. I I I don't I really don't know. I I mean, I have ideas. Obviously, I I don't know, but I have ideas. Obviously, there's the idea of the Hall Of Records or the Hall Of Aventi, you know, the this type of, sacred knowledge that's been stored away, or an initiation path.

Jay Anderson: 56:17

You know, the whole thing with ancient Egypt, even with the dynastics, which, you know, we shouldn't dismiss. They were incredible. Like, know, the the the reign of the pharaohs and amazing. And their entire life was lived preparing for death. Like, they understood that it was a profound journey that one is taking to move from this veil to another.

Jay Anderson: 56:35

And, and I still think that, you know, regardless of the connections between the pyramids and dynastic Egyptians, whether they built them, it seems like the pyramids had a similar function esoterically, you know, even with the science involved. So I do think that I do think that they're evidence of, in all honesty, like a type one civilization or close close to a type one civilization. What I mean what I mean by that is that you've got the Kardashev scale, which is the scale of, kind of using energy on a civilization. So type one, a civilization, would be using all of the planetary energy. A type two civilization uses all of its, star's energy, sun's energy, and a type three uses the galaxy's energy, which is kind of incomprehensible to any of us.

Jay Anderson: 57:19

But close to approaching, maybe at type one, I think that that's what we're looking at. I I I know that's really crazy for some people to think of, especially because it's not evidenced in some sort of amazing Star Trek style representation. You know? It's not it's not, antigravity technology and flying saucers. It's ancient megalithic stone and rose quartz granite and acoustic engineering and geometry and cymatics and reverberation and the things that Nikola Tesla said were the secrets of the universe.

Jay Anderson: 57:52

Right? Vibration and motion and oscillation and energy. These are the secrets of the universe. And so it feels like they were tapping into the planet's energy, like putting these things on very specific locations, very specific orientations to, in some way, draw energy up from the planet and disperse it in a fashion for some form of use. What that use was is what really gets me.

Jay Anderson: 58:15

Like, what were they actually doing this for? And one of my weirder thoughts about it is that you have this whole idea of, like, the great year with the, you know, I think, like, twenty four thousand years and the the axis of the planet shifts. And when that happens, boom. Like, the whole basically surface level of the planet gets ripped ripped to shreds and you you'll reset. Before then, there's also a solar maximum where you have this, you know, potential x class event from the sun, which could completely devastate all of our electronics.

Jay Anderson: 58:45

So it's almost like you've got this, if it turns out to be completely kind of on point with these cycles, which certainly seems to be, and there's a lot of historical reference to these cycles and intelligence agency interested in the idea of cataclysmic cycles. The CIA was very interested in that. But if you look at it, you get this solar maximum and then a planetary axis shift. Okay. So what if what if there was a a a civilization that was very similar to our own at one point that was completely devastated by a solar event, and it completely knocked out all of our ability to produce anything electronically.

Jay Anderson: 59:20

We were reset. We had to find a different way. And this is all just a completely, like, you know, this is a fantasy idea. Don't take me too seriously here. I'm just having fun with it.

Jay Anderson: 59:27

But at the same time, think about it. You know? So they they they have to find a different route, a different method of preserving their energetic capacities, their energetic capabilities. Now one of the things that's interesting is that although a massive solar event, a huge geostorm, a Carrington event would wipe out our electricity, would wipe out all of the telephone wires and the satellites, all of that is gone. Ground zero.

Jay Anderson: 59:51

But the energetic materials of the planet don't get taken out of commission. So the piezoelectric capabilities of rose quartz granite and the acoustic amplification of limestone, yeah, these things are still preserved. And so what if this was like a learning curve where it was like, right. We don't do that, Root. Now we have do it through the natural methods that won't be deactivated.

Jay Anderson: 01:00:13

And, also, we have to take into account that there's a massive seismic event that's gonna happen. And when you see things like the Saxa woman place in Peru where you've got the seismically resistant materials and that's represented globally in many other places. It's like they were preparing for both a massive geological trauma with some form of seismic events they're trying to maintain their, structures with and also the use of geo energetic materials on telleric fault lines and specific nodal points on the planet, it just feels like it's technology. It just feels like it's energetic. And the Pyramids are like this crown jewel of that because you've got all of the scientific elements incorporated and then just the engineering feat in general.

Jay Anderson: 01:00:54

It it is completely contradictory to everything else about the dynastic Egyptian period. It doesn't make any sense. Even with, you know, spiral staircases and, you know, crazy stuff underground removed, just the pyramids alone, they still don't make sense. They still don't have a good explanation for how they were built. And, you know, when you look at the difference between, for example, I don't know if you've been to Egypt, but up into the Valley Of The Kings and the Valley Of The Queens where they buried a lot of the pharaohs and the Queens adorned with gold, adorned with hieroglyphs.

Jay Anderson: 01:01:25

It's absolutely the place where you would be burying the most sacred and regal of your people. You go into the pyramids where they were supposed to be buried, and there's not a single hieroglyph. In fact, the only hieroglyph is, like, a a piece of chicken scratch that someone had put on there, and Zahi Hawass used that as the, attributor to the pharaoh that was put in there. He was like, oh, well, there you go. Like, that's that's that's Khufu's, hand signature.

Jay Anderson: 01:01:49

It's like, okay. On a completely desolate building with no other scriptures on it. And then the place where he's buried in the king's chamber is devoid of any artwork and is just like this rose quartz granite box in the middle of the pyramid. And one of the things about rose quartz granite and especially the fact that this is quarried from Aswan, which is 500 miles away, like, you know, these gigantic multi ton, huge, perfectly cut rose quartz blocks. I mean, we're talking blocks the size of my room that would just fit it together perfectly in the apex of the pyramid.

Jay Anderson: 01:02:28

So, like, not at the bottom. This was lifted to the top, and it sits in, like, the apex of the pyramid. Sorry. Not the apex. The center.

Jay Anderson: 01:02:34

The apex of the top. They're, like, the center of the pyramid. Right? So they had to lift this stuff up and engineer these huge stone blocks. And then, obviously, the energetic components of that.

Jay Anderson: 01:02:44

The rose quartz is a highly energetic material, and the whole place, including the sarcophagus, the sarcophagi, is made out of this rose quartz. It's actually smoothly leading up into this sarcophagi, which I've personally lied down inside. And it's a weird feeling when you're inside the center of the center of, like, the center because Egypt is the center. The pyramid is on the central axis. And then you're kind of, like, in the axis mundi of that, which is, like, the central point of the pyramid.

Jay Anderson: 01:03:13

And it's a it's a very trippy experience, but there's no way that this is a burial chamber. Not when you see what the burial chambers around the entire country are like. There's just no way. It's actually really insulting. Like, the once you stray off the path a little bit and start questioning it and look at it, it's really insulting what they try and get us to believe is the narrative for our history.

Jay Anderson: 01:03:33

It's like children shit. It's terrible. It's really bad.

Seth Holehouse: 01:03:39

It is. It's an insult to our intelligence. And It is,

Jay Anderson: 01:03:43

man. Yeah.

Seth Holehouse: 01:03:43

And and that's what you know, and I'm glad that you've you've gone into some of your more hypotheses or or, you know, kind of theories Yeah, man. Because that's the purpose of even having this conversation is I I have no idea, and you have no idea what's really going on with these ancient civilizations. But we're smart, and we should at least be having these conversations and saying, why why would they possibly

Jay Anderson: 01:04:09

be having One I would say is, like, we both have no idea what's going on. That's for sure. But it definitely is not what we're being told. Like, I know it's not that. Though.

Jay Anderson: 01:04:19

Like, I know it's not that, which makes me very interested in why you're telling me it's that when it's something else. You know what I mean? Like, that really gets me itching on why it is. And then when you look it into it and it seems so advanced, you start going, okay. Alright.

Jay Anderson: 01:04:32

So what is it then? What is it that's really getting them ruffled up about this previous time? And it makes me think, well, maybe maybe we were so advanced. Maybe we were at such an incredible level that, it's quite dangerous to let us know that now that we're in such a, frankly, sick society and, you know, corrupted and in trouble, and we really need to get into a better position of consciousness. So maybe maybe that's dangerous information for this human species to know in regards to the controlling elements of this world, looking at that information and going, no.

Jay Anderson: 01:05:02

They're not ready for it. Unless we're gonna put it through Indiana Jones. We'll call up Steven Spielberg and get him to make another film so that we can kinda layer it into the consciousness. Yes. The Nazis were going to Nepal.

Jay Anderson: 01:05:12

Yes. They were interested in the Ark of the Covenant, but, know, we'll just put that through Hollywood so you don't blow out your brain too quickly.

Seth Holehouse: 01:05:19

Yeah. It wasn't the CIA using remote viewing to find it. It was just it was Hitler seeking after the Ark of the Covenant and

Jay Anderson: 01:05:24

Yeah. Yeah. No. I mean, that that's a whole fascinating thing, like, how it's dribbled in through Hollywood, how it's dribbled in through social programming, like these ideas, and I think that is done purposefully. Mean, you know, without a doubt, when you watch Indiana Jones or something like, hey, here you've got an OSS officer.

Jay Anderson: 01:05:42

So OSS was the precursor to the CIA. So that was a real thing. And they really did have OSS officers going out around the world hunting down Nazis because the Nazis, especially in the higher levels of the SS, were really interested in esoteric artifacts. And they genuinely were going around the world to places like Tibet and Nepal and Peru trying to find sacred artifacts that they believed were powerful. And they've set up all these weird occult groups like the Vril Society and Anunnaber and the Thule Society.

Jay Anderson: 01:06:13

And, you know, this is I studied, like, Nazi German history at, like, a a college for, like, a module. None of that's ever mentioned. Like, this whole part of, like, esoteric espionage, but it's told through Indiana Jones. And, of course, it's dramatized. I'm not saying it's, like, a documentary, but it's pretty much on the mark of what was going on.

Jay Anderson: 01:06:33

And you have to ask a question, why? Why were they looking for these things?

Seth Holehouse: 01:06:37

Yeah. It's like even getting into some of the you know, why do we go into some of these wars? Right? What is it with the discovery of some of these ancient tablets in Iraq and all of sudden,

Jay Anderson: 01:06:45

oh, hey. We're gonna see Yeah.

Seth Holehouse: 01:06:47

Yeah. Museums got raided of all these ancient artifacts.

Jay Anderson: 01:06:50

And Yeah.

Seth Holehouse: 01:06:51

You know?

Jay Anderson: 01:06:51

Yeah. There's definitely, like, what whatever whatever the true reason for Iraq was, that's definitely one of the reasons in my opinion was like, wow. While while we're here while we're here, let's get those artifacts. Let's get those tablets of Gilgamesh.

Seth Holehouse: 01:07:03

Exactly. But I think what what is is that what they want us to believe is that we are just these evolutionary meat sacks And that, you know, a billion years ago, I was just this I'm I'm like the you know, my my my great great great grandpa was some monkey that was, you know, had evolved from, you know, an aquatic animal. Like, that's what they're they're trying to tell us, which and that that's a big part of this because if you look at the narrative that they've pushed, all this information, it destroys their entire narrative. Yeah. Even from the perspective of of evolution.

Seth Holehouse: 01:07:33

Well, if you look at okay. Evolution, that's also what reinforces that idea that we are the most advanced right now, that we've evolved through this. And it also fits into the whole transhumanist, you know, perspective is that, well, the next layer of evolution is the merger of man plus machine and and, you know, chips in our heads and, you know, robots and all this kind of stuff. Because I think that you go back to this, and even it's kinda interesting. You look at, you know, Elon Musk who's really represents he's, like, the the pinnacle of human intelligence, and I haven't once heard him mention Tesla's energy or mention ether or mention anything involved with, you know, or or let alone getting into some of the things you find when you look at a Tartaria, and you see the all the different, obelisks and an obelisk, but the different structures on the roofs, and were they harnessing energy, and what about electro culture?

Seth Holehouse: 01:08:21

How about, you know, how is it that you can wrap this copper around a stick and your plant grows three times the size, which we've done before? I've I've I've literally done it my own garden.

Jay Anderson: 01:08:29

Yes.

Seth Holehouse: 01:08:30

We've had kale leaves that were three feet tall after we put in electroculture Yeah. Stuff. It's just like, I'm pretty sure that Elon is just as much keeping us in this cage of information convincing us that, okay, the only way to advance is through microchips and through, you know, harnessing the sun's energy through these massive solar fields and and everything. So, anyway, just it it's I I I enjoy having these discussions, though.

Jay Anderson: 01:08:57

I was very I was interested by his weird little photo of his bedside table. I don't know if you saw that because I and I can't remember the actual term for this object, but it's like an ancient Sanskrit object, like a a Vedic Indian artifact that he has sitting on his bedside table. If you type in, like, Elon Musk's bedside table, it will come up because it's, like, the most popular photo of it where he's got his gun and a a Diet Coke and this this object. I I really wish I had the name in my head right now, but it's a very powerful esoteric symbol. And some believe it was actually a Vedic weapon.

Jay Anderson: 01:09:33

And if you look at the Sanskrit text, there's a lot of talk about almost what seems like, you know, wars between the gods, and this was meant to be a a weapon or a tool of profound energy. There you go. The the it says Buddhism ritual object, but it's it's actually got a very, very real name that I'm also making a a fool of myself with right now. But it's it's been it's venerated throughout that kind of, like, area, and you'll find it represented in in temples and, you know, all over the place. So it's interesting.

Jay Anderson: 01:09:59

He's definitely he's definitely got some esoteric sense to him, but I think he's I don't know, man. Like, you know, his opinions on consciousness I found to be very reductive. He was speaking with Lex Friedman, and I remember him saying they were talking about the idea of local versus non local, the idea that consciousness can extend its influence beyond the body, or or is it just restricted to the brain? And he said, oh, well, you know, if I got a baseball bat and I bashed your head in, it would damage the consciousness. So, you know, you damage the brain, you damage consciousness.

Jay Anderson: 01:10:30

Therefore, consciousness is generated by the brain. And I was like, that's really reductive because if I took a radio that's playing music and smashed the radio up, that doesn't destroy the frequency that's being sent to the radio. It just destroys the radio's ability to transmit that frequency. So I would say the same about the brain, that the brain is like a transmitter and renderer and interpreter of energy, and that energy is actually you. And that energy goes way beyond the human body.

Jay Anderson: 01:10:55

I think it goes to every point in time and space instantaneously, and you're just simply represented as a localized little coordinate in time and space called a human being. But, ultimately, that's just a reference point, and you are a much larger puppeteer, my friend. We all are, and we're all interacting on that matrix together.

Seth Holehouse: 01:11:12

I'm with you on that. As we're closing up, I know you've got a documentary coming out, which I'll I'll play in the background, speaking of of Malta. And so, so tell us about this.

Jay Anderson: 01:11:24

Yeah. I I wanted to go out there because it was a place that I've been, you know, doing a bit of research into as I was going through these prehistoric areas around the world that have a lot of evidence that's questionable. And, and Malta just kept popping up, and especially, like I said, the Hypogeum, which is a fascinating place, and then these other structures that were built above ground that seem to be mimicking it. And they date the hypergem back to, like, five thousand years because that's essentially where they have to cut off the timeline because it starts getting weird. But it seems to be much older than that.

Jay Anderson: 01:11:54

The entirety of Malta I mean, some people say that Malta itself is like a geopolymer. Like, the island itself was constructed. And it is weird because regardless of whether it's contemporary or ancient, the entire place is full of subterranean tunnels. You know, World War two bunkers or ancient structures that nobody can really tell you who was the builder of. And so I went there and I filmed about the whole place.

Jay Anderson: 01:12:17

I went across the entirety of Malta. I went to Gozo, and it's basically the most concentrated location of prehistoric, structures. And once again, what do you see? Here's here's those skulls where you're missing that crack, so there should be a a vertical suture line going down that skull, and it is lacking that, that line. And what you see around this entire place again is the same that you see all over the world.

Jay Anderson: 01:12:40

You see alignments. You see precision engineering. You see massive stone structures, and you see a lot of evidence of advanced knowledge and sophistication that we just do not attribute to these people in the traditional models, in the traditional narratives. So, you know, I think it's important to go out and do these things because there's just not enough documentary evidence that I feel has got, like, that new contemporary look. Like so I wanted to try and do something that was stylized and and interesting and eye catching, and I'm working on it right now and, you know, hope to be putting it out in at least a couple of months.

Jay Anderson: 01:13:15

But, yeah, it's it's a place in the world that's been a crossroads for civilizations for thousands of years. You know, you had the Phoenicians, the Greeks, you had the Arabs. You've had everyone crossing through Malta. It's a crisscross of entirety of history. And, yeah, giants, elongated skulls, massive subterranean temples, precision engineered above ground temples.

Jay Anderson: 01:13:38

The whole place is very mysterious. And then you'll you know, you got the templars, and there's a lot of esoteric reference throughout the entire place. So, yeah, that's kind of my big project. This geezer stuff happened, I had to, like, suddenly jump on that. And I'm balancing between editing up this, essentially, my first attempt at a feature level production and, and doing all of my daily tasks to keep things going.

Jay Anderson: 01:13:58

But, yeah, it's a passion project, and I can't wait to put it out.

Seth Holehouse: 01:14:02

Well, it's great, man. Well, thank you for what you're doing. I'll I'll encourage people to to check you out on Twitter. This is your YouTube channel here. I'll put your links in the description for the show.

Seth Holehouse: 01:14:12

Here's your, your Twitter channel. It's at the project unity. And then again, you know, on YouTube, just search for project unity. It's also at project unity. I'll make sure those those links are in the description as well.

Seth Holehouse: 01:14:23

And, yeah, again, just, you know, thank you thank you for your time. It's

Jay Anderson: 01:14:27

it's Pleasure. I I

Seth Holehouse: 01:14:28

feel like we we could just spend hours talking, which we'll we'll do more of

Jay Anderson: 01:14:30

these Every time.

Seth Holehouse: 01:14:31

Shows together.

Jay Anderson: 01:14:32

But this is be happy to happy to come back. And if you wanna come on my show, we can, you know, talk for longer. I I love this stuff. Like, this is where I really just enjoy the free flow of conversation, and, and you're a great host.

Seth Holehouse: 01:14:43

Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Podcast is I'm I'm really it's my favorite medium because it's unscripted, and you can throw things at me that I wouldn't expect and vice versa. And I can ask you questions and, you know, people can you can can read our body language, they can read our our vocal language, you know, our tones and

Jay Anderson: 01:15:01

everything, and

Seth Holehouse: 01:15:02

they feel like, oh, okay, these these guys don't have an agenda, and they're just you guys are sitting down kinda banging some rocks together, banging our heads together, and saying, how do we make sense of this crazy planet? So it's

Jay Anderson: 01:15:13

It's good, man. Yeah. I think I think the long the long form, like, there's less room for misinterpretation, whereas, you know, media sound bites, it can just be rejigged into something that wasn't even representative of the conversation. Whereas, like, you'll and also, I think it just shows that regardless of how much people are talking about the degradation of attention span, which is an issue and, like, you know, certainly does need to be looked at, people are intelligent. People are willing to digest long format content.

Jay Anderson: 01:15:39

And when it's enjoyable and interesting, you know, people like Joe Rogan are proof of this, millions and millions of people tune in way more than the mainstream legacy media. So I I think we're in a in a turning point with the alternative media space, and I'm certainly happy to be playing, some form of a small role in that. You know?

Seth Holehouse: 01:15:56

Oh, me too. It's okay. I'll see these comments, and people will say, this is too long. Can you make it a five minute clip? I'm just thinking, you're on the wrong channel.

Jay Anderson: 01:16:04

Yeah. That's what I say as well, You just got you just put it.

Seth Holehouse: 01:16:06

If you want that.

Jay Anderson: 01:16:08

Exactly. You just gotta smile and be like, whatever.

Seth Holehouse: 01:16:10

It's cool. Exactly. Well, Jay, thanks again, man. It's been really good speaking with you.

Jay Anderson: 01:16:14

You're welcome. It was a pleasure.

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