The Thing We Never Talk About is an educational podcast about personal finance for creatives and other weirdos. We'll discuss managing cash flow with a lumpy income, when to save & when to invest, and how to reduce stress & build confidence when it comes to your money. No hot stock tips, no complicated strategies, and no finance bro jargon. We'll hear from artists, musicians, creative professionals, and other weirdos about how they navigate these questions for themselves. The Thing We Never Talk About is hosted by Timothy Iseler, CFP®, a former recording & touring audio engineer with 18 years experience in the music industry.
Timothy Iseler: Hi, everyone.
Welcome to The Thing We Never Talk About.
My name is Tim Iseler.
I'm a certified financial planner,
and I run my own independent financial
advisory business, Helping musicians,
artists, and other people with
weird jobs make smarter decisions
with their money through investment
management and financial planning.
You can learn more at iselerfinancial.com.
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I write about exactly this kind of
stuff, and I share it there most weeks.
When I describe the people I work
with, as I did just a second ago
in the introduction, I usually say
something like artists, musicians,
and other people with weird jobs.
And when I use that term, people with
weird jobs, what I mean is someone who
chose to turn a skill or a passion into
a career rather than pursuing a more
conventional, more predictable path.
So whether you are a musician or
an author or a freelancer or a
small business owner, you probably
have a lot of the same issues.
You don't know what you're gonna
make this year or even this month.
You don't have the traditional support and
benefits that come with a straight job,
like a retirement plan, and all of your
energy goes back into growing that career.
This was the life I had for many years as
an audio engineer, and even though I paid
my bills that way for almost two decades,
I'm not sure that my parents ever really
understood what I did or how I made money.
To a lot of people, choosing that kind
of path seems both baffling and reckless.
Why would anybody give up the
stability of a conventional job, right?
But to the people who choose it, it's
about freedom and self-determination.
Just getting by on your own
terms is a victory in itself.
I can speak from experience here:
when you're just starting out and
money is tight, making financial
decisions is actually pretty simple.
One look at your bank account
will tell you how you're doing.
If you have enough to cover rent
and groceries and you have a little
leftover, you know you're doing okay.
If not, it's time to cut back on
spending and hustle up some more money.
Your bank account balance is essentially
your entire financial picture.
But over time, if you stick at it
and you're pleasant to be around
and you're halfway decent at your
job, your career starts to grow.
Maybe not always by leaps
and bounds, but it does grow.
The gigs get bigger, your client list
gets longer, and the income starts to
get real in a new and different way.
Now, when you look at your bank
account, it's not just, "Am I
covered for the next few months?"
It's, "Oh, shit, this is more
money than I know what to do with."
And at that point, the bank account
no longer makes sense as the barometer
of how you're doing financially.
the people I talk to in this situation
know that they should be doing
something more with their money to
set them up for longer term success.
But because they've spent all of
their time and energy focused on
carving a career path for themselves,
they have no idea how to do that.
This is an important transition, and
if you do it right, you can use this
new abundance to buy yourself more
and better options in the future.
But it's not always
obvious what that means.
And that leads to a lot of analysis
paralysis when you know you should
be making a decision, but you're
so overwhelmed by the options
that you end up doing nothing.
Lots and lots of people leave that
money in a bank account for months
or even years, sometimes not even
earning interest, because they
just don't know what to do next.
I want to be clear about one thing.
A bank account is great for managing
your short-term needs, and everyone
should maintain a savings account
that can cover at least three
to six months worth of expenses.
But bank accounts are not designed to
help your money grow in a meaningful way.
Even high-yield savings accounts
barely keep up with inflation.
When you leave too much money sitting
there, you're trading the feeling of
short-term security for long-term growth.
So it helps to think about what your money
is actually for and when you'll need it.
Your checking account is
for immediate expenses.
Your savings account is for the next
three to six months, if you need it.
And if you know that you'll have a large
expense in the next year or two, like
a down payment on a home, for example,
you should keep that money in cash.
The last thing you want is
for it to be tied up in the
stock market when you need it.
But beyond that, you should
be putting your money to
work for you by investing it.
If you're saving for something many
years or decades away, like retirement,
you can prioritize growth by investing
mainly in stocks, which means
accepting some short-term volatility
in exchange for long-term growth.
If you need your money in the
next five to 10 years, adding some
bonds to the mix smooths out some
of that stock market volatility.
And if you might need your money
in the next three to five years,
a more conservative balance of
stocks and bonds makes sense.
The key is recognizing that not all
of your money is for the same thing.
You don't want it all in cash, and
you don't want it all chasing growth.
Matching your accounts to different
purposes is how you bring stability
to an unpredictable career, while
also setting yourself up for more
and better options down the road.
Here's a recap before we finish up
today: when you choose a life with
more freedom, you're also giving up
the safety net of a straight job.
Just getting by in that situation is
an achievement, and if you're doing
that, you should feel good about it.
But when you get past that point,
when you're not just surviving,
but building something real, it's
time to put your money to work.
Your bank account is safe but
slow-growing, while the stock market
is unpredictable in the short term but
tends to grow a lot over the long term.
Balancing that short-term stability with
long-term growth is how to make sure your
life keeps getting better and better.
So when your bank account stops
making sense, that's not a problem.
It's a signal.
It means your financial life
has grown beyond what a single
number can capture, and it's time
to start thinking differently.
If you find yourself in that
fortunate position, please shoot
me an email or reach out through
the Connect page on my website.
I am always happy to have a conversation
That's it for today.
Next week I'll be talking
with self-proclaimed
abstractionist, Rob Mazurek.
I've known Rob for about 25
years, starting when I was a
recording engineer in Chicago.
Rob is an excellent musician and
painter, and one thing I've always
really appreciated was his enthusiasm
for taking really big swings,
whether that's his massive Exploding
Star Orchestra, or combining art
exhibitions with solo performance,
Rob is always pushing the boundaries
of where his creativity can take him.
I hope you will join me back here next
week for my conversation with Rob Mazurek.
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